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[0:00] Robert Peterpaul: AOK 200 was recorded live in the Welcome to Times Square studio.

[0:00] Robert Peterpaul: Welcome to Times Square kindly lets you be the star of your very own billboard.

[0:09] Robert Peterpaul: Learn more in the show notes.

[0:17] Robert Peterpaul: Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to the Art of Kindness, where we have compassionate conversations with artists from all areas of the entertainment industry who are using their voice to spread joy and make this big spinning planet in the universe a better place to be.

[0:33] Robert Peterpaul: I'm Robert Peterpaul, and I'm so glad you're here.

[0:43] Robert Peterpaul: Happy birthday to A-OK.

[0:46] Robert Peterpaul: Happy birthday to A-OK!

[0:49] Robert Peterpaul: Happy birthday, AOK.

[0:52] Robert Peterpaul: We're 200 today.

[0:55] Robert Peterpaul: Ah! Hello, friends, and welcome to the 200th episode of the Art of Kindness Podcast.

[1:02] Robert Peterpaul: Since we're celebrating, I have a fun gift that I'll share with you in just a moment. Little did I know that when I plopped in front of a mic and rambled during my very first episode, shout out Diana Gioletti, that I would still be sitting in front of a mic rambling about kindness five years later.

[1:20] Robert Peterpaul: Creating this show has given me so much, mostly you, the gift of a kind community. So whether it's your first time listening or your 200th, wow! From the bottom of my Nutella covered heart, thank you for being here, friend.

[1:35] Robert Peterpaul: AOK has also given me the opportunity to connect with phenomenal folks who are working to build a kinder world, including the team at Kindness is Free, powered by the Boys and Girls Clubs of America. I am a proud member of their kindness hall of fame and got to fly out to Pasadena to be on their fantastic float in the Rose Bowl parade this past year.

[1:57] Robert Peterpaul: Let me tell you, their commitment to spreading kindness, empathy, and compassion is something I strive for. The big and small ways they show up to create a kinder world is simply awe-inspiring. In awe of all of you, that's kind of a tongue twister right there.

[2:12] Robert Peterpaul: Today's conversation is yet another example of this, happening in large part thanks to their generous support. Learn more about Kindness is Free and take the kindness pledge at kindnessisfree.org, which I will link in the show notes as well. It just takes a minute to change a lifetime.

[2:29] Robert Peterpaul: You know, I think the last time I rambled this much in an intro was probably our 100th episode, featuring the one and only Carol Burnett, ah, which was truly a dream. For 200, we have an equally dreamy guest who offers a different perspective on kindness.

[2:45] Robert Peterpaul: A creative that's put her magical touch on all corners of this industry, the lovely Liz Gillies. Elizabeth Gillies is an actress, singer, and director that hails from New Jersey. After setting her roots in the theater with 13 the musical, she rose to fame as Jade West in the Nickelodeon series Victorious.

[3:09] Robert Peterpaul: If you're like me, you may know Liz as Fallon Carrington in the popular reboot of Dynasty, which is now streaming on Netflix. Other TV credits include The Hunting Party, Family Guy, and Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll, I mean so many. After spending much time on screen, Liz returned to her Broadway roots, recently starring in the acclaimed off-Broadway revival of Little Shop of Horrors as Audrey.

[3:35] Robert Peterpaul: Although she's not currently somewhere that's green, she's somewhere that's kind. She still performs concerts regularly to sold-out audiences across the country. She has two records out actually with her longtime friend and collaborator, Seth MacFarlane.

[3:51] Robert Peterpaul: Now, friends, I have butterflies because I record remotely a lot, as you know, so anytime I'm in person now, I mean anytime, even when I'm at the grocery store, I'm sort of like, how do you human? And to me, the answer is treats. You give treats, you eat treats, you share treats, and so I decked the Welcome to Times Square Studio out with cookies from Schmackary's, my favorite cookies, by the way, baked by the kindest people.

[4:17] Robert Peterpaul: I got Liz a ginger ale because I hear that's her favorite. You'll hear how that went down, and I got hyped. I was hyped on the sugar that I had on the train ride in. What can I say though? Liz was just the coolest and stayed after we recorded to hang out and see our billboard in Times Square. She was just so generous with her time.

[4:36] Robert Peterpaul: This episode is baked with everything that I think makes the Art of Kindness podcast wonderful and more. I mean, we talk about kindness, obviously. We talk about Love on the Spectrum, which has kind of become a staple on this show. I think because it's just such a magical series. We talk about Broadway, we talk about food, we have surprise special guests.

[4:57] Robert Peterpaul: And I'm not just talking about the fly or possibly mosquito. The jury's still out on which it was that soared around during the conversation, which you can see if you watch us on Spotify or on YouTube, by the way. Speaking of, you can also fly on over to social media at Art of Kindness Pod and at Robert Peterpaul, we'll be sharing lots of content from today's episode as well as kindness tips to keep you empowered to choose kindness all year long.

[5:23] Robert Peterpaul: As I said, I am so very grateful for this digital kindness community. Oh, audio hook. I also want to hug Alan Seales at the Broadway Podcast Network for his constant Muppet support. My friend Jen of Jen's Pretty Pegs, you'll see why. And of course, my one and only Cassie Peterpaul. Oh, and our future baby. Ah! I said it! Yes!

[5:47] Robert Peterpaul: Remember when I said I had a little gift for you at the beginning of the episode here? Well, 200 feels like a good time to share that. We are having a baby, fam. Yes, we are over the moon. I'm trying to hear if she can hear me recording this right now. Maybe she'll pop in Grace's with her beautiful presence. It's been such an amazing, overwhelming, love-filled journey already. We are just thrilled. I mean, we couldn't be happier. So we'll keep you posted on that.

[6:14] Robert Peterpaul: But we gotta move to the baby that is my 200th episode, because all these episodes are kind of my baby, so I don't know what that means. Thanks for being here again. I think you'll enjoy spending time with Liz just as much as I did. Now, without further ado, it's time for A-OK 200 with the lovely Liz Gillies. Woo!

[6:44] Robert Peterpaul: Friends, welcome to the Art of Kindness 200. Now, if you're gonna celebrate 200 episodes, you need a guest with 200 times the talent, the charm, and enough starry energy to power Times Square itself. Please welcome kindness queen Liz Gillies.

[6:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Thank I don't think I've ever been introduced that way. But I'm so excited to be here. Not that I'm not kind, just...

[7:04] Elizabeth Gillies: You are. Thank you. For seeing that and having me on for your 200th episode, and congratulations, by the way.

[7:09] Robert Peterpaul: Thanks so much. It's unbelievable.

[7:10] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks. When did you start? What year?

[7:11] Robert Peterpaul: We started in 2021.

[7:13] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, like pandemic.

[7:14] Robert Peterpaul: It was like everybody else.

[7:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Was it remote? Was that the thing?

[7:17] Robert Peterpaul: It was like a cool thing to do from your house.

[7:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, trying to figure it out on Zoom.

[7:21] Robert Peterpaul: I kind of miss it. But I came in today, even though you do a lot of remote. I'm like, no, I'm gonna come in. Because I don't even remember what it's like to do a podcast on camera.

[7:28] Elizabeth Gillies: So I'm gonna remember again.

[7:30] Robert Peterpaul: Well, you I don't know if you I think you did some stuff. I know you put out an album like when you were locked down.

[7:35] Elizabeth Gillies: We did, yeah.

[7:36] Robert Peterpaul: Then you gotta listen to it though.

[7:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Back.

[7:38] Robert Peterpaul: How are you with listen? Have you gotten over that?

[7:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Like listening to something like that. Well, I comp my own vocals. So I um, yeah, I guess I like the torture in that way. I'm a perfectionist, and it makes you know what it makes it hard to listen to after when you comp your own vocals and edit your own stuff because all I see and hear are the edits or things I punched in, even if no one else can tell. I have like a visual memory of where it all is.

[7:59] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, I know. But I like it. I mean, listen, it was fun, and um, I love that album actually very much. It's a really feel-good album. Everybody check it out.

[8:05] Robert Peterpaul: I love your voice.

[8:06] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, thank you. I do feel like not to bring up AI already, but I do feel like in this day and age, the mistakes are gonna sort of be in vogue.

[8:12] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, having mistakes.

[8:14] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, then I will be a hot commodity on Broadway because if anyone saw like five performances in a row of mine on Little Shop, you never got the same vocal performance twice. A good um selling for myself to all those listening, every casting director. But no, I'm an alto, I have nodes, I have a scratchy voice, I use it, you know, in my favor, I like it for character. It's a also a pain. It's everything, but it's real, not AI.

[8:35] Robert Peterpaul: No, I love that. It's it's me.

[8:38] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I was gonna ask you because I feel like you have this quality that is so rare these days, which is you just have this old Hollywood glamour about you. And no, I do wonder if that's sort of wrapped up at all in perfectionism. Like how how what's your journey with that been like?

[8:52] Elizabeth Gillies: It is, it's wrapped up in perfectionism for sure. But I also, especially at this age and at this point in my life and career, I know what I can control and what I can control and what is worth getting upset over and what is not. But having an ability and an understanding of what I can do to make myself look uh look and feel good, how to do makeup, how to do it. If that helps me feel better, makes me more confident, odds are I'm going to do better, present myself in the best way.

[9:16] Elizabeth Gillies: So I don't remember your question because I started rambling.

[9:19] Robert Peterpaul: I don't either. I'm fully blacked out. We're in the white room.

[9:21] Elizabeth Gillies: I know. That's how I feel. But you know, I I do think it's perfectionism, but it's also just knowing thyself. And I'm I'm big on knowing thyself. And for those watching, if that didn't make sense based on the question asked, I'm sorry, but I don't remember where I am.

[9:33] Robert Peterpaul: It's we're AI, so we just we're trying to figure it out right now.

[9:37] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I it completely made sense. I mean, very Shakespearean to thine own self be true. And thyself is amazing. I mean, I'm such a big admirer. I'm trying not to lay it on too thick, Liz, but I just think you're an underrated comedic genius.

[9:49] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, thanks for the case. Amongst many other things. And before I compliment you for hours and hours, I wonder what's your journey been like with accepting compliments?

[9:57] Elizabeth Gillies: Like, I'm not good. I'm not good at accounting. I can't even say the word compliment.

[9:59] Robert Peterpaul: Me either.

[10:00] Elizabeth Gillies: It's a foreign word to me. I I was actually raised in a home that was incredibly supportive. My parents are wildly supportive of me, but never ridiculously so. Like if I go out and I don't do a great job, they'll name the things that I did well, but they're not gonna pretend I did a perfect job.

[10:18] Elizabeth Gillies: And that's how I was raised, and I like that. I I find it hard and I imagine it would be very hard to grow up in a world where every step you took, every every breath, everything was the best thing your parents ever heard, and you're praised for even being mediocre. That would be tough for me. And while my parents are like honestly the nicest parents in the entire world, the most supportive, like I I can't say enough about them. They're amazing. I wouldn't be anywhere without them.

[10:39] Elizabeth Gillies: They never like boost me up to a point of delusion. And so uh between that and my personal self-critical nature and being a realist and maybe be maybe even leaning. I like to say I'm not leaning glass half empty, but I'm a realist. I don't impress myself very often. And when I do, I'm quiet about it. Like if I know I did a good job, that's when I'm not talking about it a lot. And if I know I messed up, that's when I'll pull it out of my parents. I'll force them to say, Well, there was the one thing you did with your arm in the second act, and I'm like, there it is.

[11:07] Elizabeth Gillies: But um maybe because I was so I had such a warm home and still do growing up and and I had so much love, I didn't want any more. So I don't seek it out. And maybe that's helped me in my career. Maybe it's made me a little more critical of myself. I don't know.

[11:21] Robert Peterpaul: No, I uh but I really love and respect the way you talk about your family because in researching you every interview you talk about how you had this wonderful childhood and but isn't it horrible?

[11:30] Elizabeth Gillies: But isn't it terrible? Because I feel it's it's I almost when I I went on I think it was Whitney Cummings podcast and we joked about so good. I really listened to twice to prepare, yeah.

[11:39] Elizabeth Gillies: She's really cool, but we were chatting about it. I'm waiting for your movie, by the way. The movie you guys are gonna make together.

[11:41] Robert Peterpaul: I know, I know.

[11:44] Elizabeth Gillies: Whitney, where's our movie?

[11:46] Robert Peterpaul: I know.

[11:46] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, that would be really good. We should play sisters.

[11:48] Robert Peterpaul: I think that's what we landed on, right? Sisters?

[11:49] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, yeah.

[11:50] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, that was a good idea.

[11:50] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, well, it goes.

[11:51] Elizabeth Gillies: That's right. Also lovers always um sure.

[11:54] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, we were talking about our childhoods, and it's like, you know, I I sometimes joke that I'm resentful of my parents only because they don't have enough to pull from when I act with based on it. Everything is from me and my issues, not from...

[12:02] Elizabeth Gillies: It's not worth it, Liz. I can let I'll let you know it's not worth it.

[12:05] Robert Peterpaul: No, I love my family.

[12:07] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I mean families are complicated, no one is a perfect family. I don't have a perfect family, but um, but I'm I'm grateful that I was embraced and loved as a child and still am lucky to still have them. I feel very blessed for all that, of course.

[12:15] Robert Peterpaul: Well, Jersey kid, fellow Jersey kid here. You can probably tell from my hair.

[12:19] Elizabeth Gillies: I love it.

[12:20] Robert Peterpaul: It's tall and it's dark.

[12:22] Elizabeth Gillies: You know, I should have dark hair right now. I went blonde for summer, I don't know why I was bored.

[12:25] Elizabeth Gillies: You know what's so funny? I'm researching all the amazing things you've done, and then this thing coming up that you had a pixie cut or something. Like people were freaking out.

[12:31] Elizabeth Gillies: It's so funny.

[12:32] Robert Peterpaul: Well, yeah.

[12:33] Elizabeth Gillies: I was I I did this shoot and I decided last minute, let's do like a short dark chop, which I've always wanted to do, but I I just for whatever reason haven't done it. And then it became a running thing. I just did this show a couple weeks ago, and I the character had short hair, and I said, Do you mind if I if we find another wig, a short hair? So no one knows what my hair is, but I kind of like that.

[12:52] Elizabeth Gillies: I love living in a world where nobody really knows how to pin me down, what I look like, what I'm looking like in the moment. It makes it better for me.

[12:58] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I mean guessing keep some things for yourself too in this world where everything kind of gets picked up as wild.

[13:03] Elizabeth Gillies: But wearing Jersey, by the way.

[13:05] Robert Peterpaul: Uh Chatham.

[13:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay, okay. Well, that's nice, isn't it?

[13:07] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, that's nice.

[13:08] Elizabeth Gillies: Not only does it sound nice, but I remember it being nice because I think I had a friend that was looking for houses around there, and it was like very nice.

[13:14] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, it's beautiful. It's near short. Most people know the shorthand.

[13:17] Robert Peterpaul: Uh-huh.

[13:17] Elizabeth Gillies: Amazing. Do you live there?

[13:19] Robert Peterpaul: I live in Connecticut now.

[13:20] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay, you live in Connecticut quite. I love Jersey though. I miss it. There's something special about Jersey people. Like you know what I mean.

[13:23] Elizabeth Gillies: Of course, we have a shorthand.

[13:26] Robert Peterpaul: We do.

[13:26] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[13:27] Robert Peterpaul: We're talking right now.

[13:27] Elizabeth Gillies: Nobody knows what we're saying.

[13:30] Robert Peterpaul: Is there a fly? There's a fly every time I record?

[13:32] Elizabeth Gillies: Or when I recorded, have you ever thought that maybe the fly has, um, a story?

[13:37] Robert Peterpaul: Or just wants to be on air?

[13:39] Elizabeth Gillies: But it's in the air.

[13:40] Robert Peterpaul: What is it on?

[13:41] Elizabeth Gillies: It's greedy.

[13:41] Robert Peterpaul: It's in air, but it's not on air.

[13:43] Elizabeth Gillies: You're right. And that's the big difference. I should look into that.

[13:45] Robert Peterpaul: We'll ask if it comes back, we'll ask.

[13:47] Elizabeth Gillies: Hey, baby girl, this is episode 200.

[13:49] Robert Peterpaul: Can you give us 200 bite marks?

[13:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I think it knows that it's 200 for sure.

[13:52] Robert Peterpaul: Wait, speaking of 200, though, this is a clunky transition, but that's old-ish.

[13:56] Elizabeth Gillies: You always say you're an old soul.

[13:58] Robert Peterpaul: I'm not 200, which I relate to.

[13:59] Elizabeth Gillies: Not too much.

[14:00] Robert Peterpaul: If you are, I mean, we need your skincare research.

[14:02] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, there is a world in which I died a long time ago, and I'm just kind of been back as a ghost. I'm pretty sure that is what's happening, but I'm gonna get to that.

[14:09] Robert Peterpaul: But I wonder, I feel like there's something about being around older people that feels very kind and safe.

[14:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Like, is it is that just, uh, you felt that since you were a kid?

[14:18] Robert Peterpaul: I felt that since I was a kid.

[14:19] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't know why. Um, I always like would leave hangs with my friends who I love and all my best friends, by the way, I must say, from when I was like in first grade, they're still my best friends now.

[14:27] Robert Peterpaul: So I think that's pretty cool.

[14:28] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, that's the trademark of a great person, though.

[14:30] Robert Peterpaul: If you have friends who are that long.

[14:31] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm loyal. That's my one thing. Like I am loyal.

[14:32] Robert Peterpaul: My other thing is that I always think I'm best friends with people after we do a project together, especially in theater.

[14:38] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes.

[14:38] Robert Peterpaul: Like even if it's a week, I'm like, is everyone?

[14:41] Elizabeth Gillies: That's my delusion. I think that we're all best friends forever.

[14:44] Robert Peterpaul: Because I'm like a cat. I'm very closed off.

[14:45] Elizabeth Gillies: So if I am forced to open up and be around people, I assume they're my friends for life because I'm a loyal person.

[14:50] Robert Peterpaul: Anyway.

[14:51] Elizabeth Gillies: But you have a cat?

[14:52] Robert Peterpaul: No, I have had a cat.

[14:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[14:53] Robert Peterpaul: My cat, I believe my cat, it's confusing, and we are on a tangent now, but I believe my cat ran away.

[15:00] Elizabeth Gillies: Confusion.

[15:00] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, well, if I had one, that's what it would be.

[15:02] Elizabeth Gillies: We'd never get to anything. I could never have a guest, because I don't know.

[15:04] Robert Peterpaul: We'd talk about whatever.

[15:06] Elizabeth Gillies: But, um, my cat, I, uh, would always leave. He was an outdoor cat and it was in LA and he would leave for sometimes two weeks at a time.

[15:11] Robert Peterpaul: It was out of control.

[15:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Uh, when he was young, it started, it would be a couple hours. Then he would take these jaunts for like two weeks, but he'd always come back.

[15:18] Robert Peterpaul: He left right before the pandemic.

[15:19] Elizabeth Gillies: My thought is, okay, okay, I think he got trapped in a house and locked down where he used to go to different houses, pretend he was astray, get extra food, get fat, get extra collars on his neck.

[15:30] Robert Peterpaul: Like he used to be a grifter.

[15:31] Elizabeth Gillies: And I think someone during the pandemic was like, I'm gonna take you in and make you mine.

[15:34] Robert Peterpaul: And I think that's where he is.

[15:35] Elizabeth Gillies: I do not think he's dead.

[15:36] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, wait, we have close friends that actually did take in a cat during the pandemic.

[15:40] Elizabeth Gillies: In LA?

[15:40] Robert Peterpaul: It was in LA, it was in Los Feliz, though.

[15:42] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, he would have had to run a little far from where I was.

[15:45] Robert Peterpaul: Anyway, what was your question?

[15:46] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't remember.

[15:47] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, it's about being an old soul.

[15:48] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, an old soul. Yes.

[15:49] Robert Peterpaul: I love being around old people.

[15:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I older people. I always have, and old people, by the way. Like, if I ever, if there's ever a grandma in the room or somebody over 80, I'm there.

[15:55] Robert Peterpaul: I'm getting wisdom.

[15:56] Elizabeth Gillies: They're the or it's on set.

[15:58] Robert Peterpaul: Oh my god.

[15:59] Elizabeth Gillies: Like, do not squander your time with your elders. They are brilliant and can teach you so much.

[16:03] Robert Peterpaul: And sometimes you can teach them, of course.

[16:05] Elizabeth Gillies: True, but that's I think what makes a special older person when they're open to like staying with the times, learning.

[16:10] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, yes.

[16:11] Elizabeth Gillies: And having a conversation.

[16:12] Robert Peterpaul: But no, I used to hang out with my friends and then I'd leave to go home early if they were going to like a fun hardcore party.

[16:18] Elizabeth Gillies: And my parents were having like a wine and cheese thing at the house.

[16:20] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[16:21] Elizabeth Gillies: Civilized heaven.

[16:22] Robert Peterpaul: What jazz, classic rock, people over 40 or 50.

[16:25] Elizabeth Gillies: In heaven always was.

[16:27] Robert Peterpaul: That's my favorite thing.

[16:28] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, now that I'm reaching that age, I do appreciate being around young people.

[16:32] Robert Peterpaul: Like I think you're like, we gotta go back now.

[16:33] Elizabeth Gillies: I did Little Shop and everyone was like in their twenties, and that was an equally enjoyable and, um, it revived me, uh, in a lot of ways because I had never gone to college.

[16:41] Robert Peterpaul: It kind of felt like college for me.

[16:42] Elizabeth Gillies: And we had fun and I behaved much younger.

[16:45] Robert Peterpaul: And there's good things about both of them.

[16:48] Elizabeth Gillies: But are you like, how are you backstage? Are you a prankster? Do you get into that kind of culture backstage of big roles?

[16:54] Robert Peterpaul: I plan elaborate, you know, it's funny.

[16:56] Elizabeth Gillies: Audrey is a big role, but she's also it's not a princess track, but it's close.

[17:00] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[17:00] Elizabeth Gillies: She's off hanging out.

[17:01] Robert Peterpaul: Like I would always order chicken paillard from St. Ambrose, uh, right so it would arrive during the dentist song.

[17:07] Elizabeth Gillies: Um now it's just the gas, and I would eat it during that entire thing.

[17:11] Robert Peterpaul: Like I'd eat an entire chicken paillard, brush my teeth, and do act two.

[17:14] Elizabeth Gillies: That's a good reminder to floss because that song's going on.

[17:15] Robert Peterpaul: So exactly.

[17:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh no, I would do two or three or four toothbrushes, um, tongue scrapes, and because there's kissing in it, and also I'm close to people and it's a paranoia of mine.

[17:25] Robert Peterpaul: I know.

[17:25] Elizabeth Gillies: Um because cleanliness is kindness.

[17:27] Robert Peterpaul: We gotta get into that and so much more.

[17:30] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, very much so.

[17:31] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[17:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, don't remember the question.

[17:32] Robert Peterpaul: But you started on Broadway.

[17:34] Elizabeth Gillies: I did.

[17:34] Robert Peterpaul: In thirteen, and then of course I have a pigeon brain, so it's like if you see I've been talking for too long, you can imagine the question's not coming back.

[17:40] Elizabeth Gillies: I love it.

[17:41] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, no.

[17:41] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I'll take a stick.

[17:42] Robert Peterpaul: Uh, will I though?

[17:42] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm a child.

[17:43] Robert Peterpaul: I'm not insulting pigeons, by the way, by the vibe?

[17:47] Elizabeth Gillies: Canada Dry?

[17:48] Robert Peterpaul: Canada Dry.

[17:48] Elizabeth Gillies: That's what I thought.

[17:50] Robert Peterpaul: No, yeah.

[17:52] Elizabeth Gillies: I got served one the other day, and although it was a nice offering, it's not my home.

[17:57] Robert Peterpaul: It's not kindness.

[17:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Did you hear that? That was crisp.

[17:59] Robert Peterpaul: Snappy.

[17:59] Elizabeth Gillies: You can imagine it coming out of a fountain at like a TGI Friday's heaven.

[18:02] Robert Peterpaul: Yes, Malgreen's freshest.

[18:03] Elizabeth Gillies: Sorry, what was your question?

[18:04] Robert Peterpaul: But I know I wonder, you know, from starting in thirteen and then of course victorious as a less successful child actor over here.

[18:10] Elizabeth Gillies: I know it's a unique experience doing this.

[18:12] Robert Peterpaul: You're one of me, your children.

[18:15] Elizabeth Gillies: I didn't get into Seussical.

[18:16] Robert Peterpaul: I think I did you?

[18:17] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I got into some that loss.

[18:19] Robert Peterpaul: A couple well, no, I kick someone when I cartwheeled and then the director s wrote long legs and had me leave, and I didn't know it's like I thought long legs were great.

[18:25] Elizabeth Gillies: But I can't dance.

[18:26] Robert Peterpaul: I did that during my Spongebob callback.

[18:27] Elizabeth Gillies: I kicked someone and by someone I've got to be able to do.

[18:28] Robert Peterpaul: SpongeBob callback is a flex, by the way.

[18:30] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks.

[18:30] Robert Peterpaul: I'm gonna have to flex a couple times, you know, two in this episode.

[18:34] Elizabeth Gillies: No.

[18:34] Robert Peterpaul: I feel like it's a unique experience and I just wonder, I don't know, I as a kid, I wonder if you found there were times and maybe you couldn't name it then, but where kindness and then sort of ambition were in conflict, if that makes sense.

[18:47] Elizabeth Gillies: Sure. Kids are quite mean.

[18:48] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, I think the mo I mean and I'm not sure if I was, but I remember once being told early on during thirteen after we had transferred to Broadway during the height and stress of maybe heck or something, that somebody I don't remember what department it was.

[19:04] Elizabeth Gillies: It didn't matter what department it was.

[19:05] Robert Peterpaul: Somebody mentioned to me that like in that moment I had a light attitude and it was like the most traumatizing thing I could have ever heard, but very useful.

[19:12] Elizabeth Gillies: And I don't think they were saying it to me.

[19:13] Robert Peterpaul: Like they were just like, by the way, this isn't how you've been behaving and this has just happened and definitely watched that and I was like, oh my god, I'll never do it again.

[19:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god, my God, my God.

[19:20] Robert Peterpaul: My instinct was like buy everyone flowers and apologize and like quit and like move to by the sea.

[19:25] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes, I'm not sure.

[19:26] Robert Peterpaul: But I, you know, but it's good because I mean, I know you're gonna ask me this later, but a big because I watched your show and I know the whole the kindness angle is the whole thing.

[19:33] Elizabeth Gillies: And I'm trying to do a list of a little different today.

[19:35] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, well you have to with me because it's like a tornado that has no plan.

[19:40] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, but I think honesty, I to me in my life, honesty is kindness.

[19:45] Robert Peterpaul: I don't mean mean honesty, I don't mean but the at chosen at the right moment, said the right way for the right intention.

[19:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I think it can completely, um, change someone's life.

[19:53] Robert Peterpaul: And little moments like that, um, especially in this industry, people aren't honest very often.

[19:58] Elizabeth Gillies: I crave honesty.

[19:59] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I'm terrified of liars and pathological liars.

[20:01] Elizabeth Gillies: I've never been a good liar.

[20:02] Robert Peterpaul: No, that's a couple.

[20:03] Elizabeth Gillies: I can act, but I can't lie.

[20:04] Robert Peterpaul: That's funny.

[20:04] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[20:05] Robert Peterpaul: Well, because you get it out on screen, I guess, and then you don't have to lie in real life.

[20:05] Elizabeth Gillies: I guess.

[20:08] Robert Peterpaul: I guess I never thought of it as lying, but yeah, I think I always thought lying was bad, so I didn't think it is bad.

[20:13] Elizabeth Gillies: No, but who cares?

[20:14] Robert Peterpaul: We're all adults, and they're like, it happens.

[20:15] Elizabeth Gillies: But for me, I was like, well, why would someone do that? It's the wrong thing to do.

[20:19] Robert Peterpaul: Well, you said your parents wouldn't lie to you.

[20:20] Elizabeth Gillies: Like they wouldn't have to be.

[20:21] Robert Peterpaul: No, they really want you to be able to do that.

[20:22] Elizabeth Gillies: They probably did.

[20:22] Robert Peterpaul: Like, I'll learn.

[20:23] Elizabeth Gillies: You know when you know when you get older and your parents just like list off all the time.

[20:25] Robert Peterpaul: And then you're like, Doug went to the farm.

[20:27] Elizabeth Gillies: I thought what happened to my dog.

[20:28] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I'm sure.

[20:29] Elizabeth Gillies: But no, I, to answer your question, because I think I remember it.

[20:33] Robert Peterpaul: Um, it's hard.

[20:34] Elizabeth Gillies: I but I think if you're secure in yourself, especially if there's any, I don't know if there's any child actors listening to this.

[20:38] Robert Peterpaul: I don't know what children do today.

[20:40] Elizabeth Gillies: But, um, I, it, it's easy to be on the defense or to, um, maybe be tougher on your competition or to kind of especially in musical theater, these kids are so hardcore.

[20:49] Robert Peterpaul: I was kind of blown away.

[20:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I had to enter the game late at, uh, nine or ten, which is hysterical.

[20:54] Robert Peterpaul: But to be honest, if you know, you know, I had friends doing it since they were four or five professionally, you know, where you run out with like a balloon for one scene and like you know, a musical, and then that's Broadway credit, and then they're on their sixth by the time I got around.

[21:05] Elizabeth Gillies: So I had to learn quickly.

[21:07] Robert Peterpaul: But yes.

[21:07] Elizabeth Gillies: It'll never, but it doesn't, it never will serve you to kind of be, you can, you can be strong and you can kind of send a signal not to mess with you and that you're here to do your best job and to kind of grow in your career, but you don't need to cut other people down, and you certainly don't need to, um, have an attitude while you do that.

[21:23] Robert Peterpaul: And won't it you just won't get hired again?

[21:24] Elizabeth Gillies: It's pretty simple.

[21:25] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I don't think.

[21:26] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I think people don't like working with, um, I don't know if you're cursing this show.

[21:29] Robert Peterpaul: Mean people.

[21:30] Elizabeth Gillies: Let it rip.

[21:30] Robert Peterpaul: No, I don't want to do it.

[21:31] Elizabeth Gillies: It seems like a nice show.

[21:32] Robert Peterpaul: I have a terrible mouth.

[21:33] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I'm not doing it here.

[21:35] Robert Peterpaul: I think I have control as being yourself.

[21:37] Elizabeth Gillies: And I think kindness, like you said, is honesty, and it gets a very puppies and kittens rainbow reputation, which it is too, but I think kindness is also hard.

[21:45] Robert Peterpaul: It's also being in those spaces where there's something difficult going on.

[21:48] Elizabeth Gillies: So it can also be curse words.

[21:50] Robert Peterpaul: I was gonna ask you your definition.

[21:51] Elizabeth Gillies: You kind of gave it to us.

[21:53] Robert Peterpaul: Of kindness.

[21:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I wonder how you, you've seen the definition of kindness as honesty sort of like evolve over the years.

[22:00] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I mean, the simplest thing is like if it can help.

[22:03] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, say you're going you go on 10, 20, 30 auditions and you're not getting them, and no one's telling you why.

[22:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Like, what a great kindness if somebody can be like, you know, actually, when you came in today, although this, uh, XYZ were great, you did this one thing that I think is something you can maybe curb or something you can grow out of.

[22:25] Robert Peterpaul: And I think if you did that, it's like just someone taking the time, especially in a world that is so impersonal and everything's everything's Zoom meetings and auditions and everything, nothing's face to face.

[22:34] Elizabeth Gillies: For somebody to take the time to give you some real advice that might hurt a little bit when they first say it, but they know will change your life or help you and they and they have good intentions when they do it.

[22:43] Robert Peterpaul: It's not easy to give someone constructive criticism, especially if you're a kind person.

[22:46] Elizabeth Gillies: It's like I know it makes you uncomfortable.

[22:48] Robert Peterpaul: It's a burden actually for the advice giver.

[22:51] Elizabeth Gillies: So I think what a great thing.

[22:53] Robert Peterpaul: If you can pull yourself together and help somebody else and give them constructive criticism that comes from the right place and comes from a place of knowledge, not to not anything else, then that is kindness.

[23:03] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't know.

[23:04] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[23:04] Elizabeth Gillies: But we had Mr. Wonderful on here a while back.

[23:07] Robert Peterpaul: That was his definition.

[23:07] Elizabeth Gillies: And you know, look at him and think he's being mean, but he is doing the job.

[23:12] Robert Peterpaul: And he's a good thing.

[23:13] Elizabeth Gillies: There's two, there's so many different ways.

[23:14] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, you know, when people are being mercilessly critical, it's not helpful.

[23:17] Elizabeth Gillies: And it often comes from a place of insecurity.

[23:20] Robert Peterpaul: So it's important to see where you're getting the advice or the critique from, and then it's a viable source and somebody who you know has your best intentions, somebody maybe your senior typically I go boosting older people.

[23:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Do you find like grandmothers lying a lot?

[23:35] Robert Peterpaul: That's a weird question, because like maybe, but you know what I mean.

[23:37] Elizabeth Gillies: The right grandmother should be like, I don't like your hair today.

[23:40] Robert Peterpaul: And they're like, what would be better?

[23:41] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[23:42] Robert Peterpaul: And sometimes they're wrong.

[23:43] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[23:43] Robert Peterpaul: But sometimes they're like, I know I had bangs and nobody told me I looked terrible with bangs.

[23:48] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm sure you looked great.

[23:49] Robert Peterpaul: I didn't look, I didn't look fine.

[23:52] Elizabeth Gillies: It just wasn't the best choice.

[23:54] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[23:55] Elizabeth Gillies: And everyone around me, because that you know what they're kind and they know it's been cut.

[24:00] Robert Peterpaul: So like even if they tell me now it's not good, yeah, it can't grow tomorrow.

[24:04] Elizabeth Gillies: Dye is different because you could go and get your hair dyed in a day or two.

[24:07] Robert Peterpaul: But I appreciate the people who are like this is happening now, and I don't like it.

[24:12] Elizabeth Gillies: But that's just me.

[24:13] Robert Peterpaul: No, that can't that's what I like.

[24:15] Elizabeth Gillies: That can be kindness.

[24:16] Robert Peterpaul: I think, like you said, consider the source and then where it gets a little zany is social media, right?

[24:21] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, I mean, what's like your relationship with that and kindness?

[24:25] Robert Peterpaul: Because as a public figure, I mean I was on there today, you have so many followers.

[24:29] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't really, I mean, I'm lucky.

[24:31] Robert Peterpaul: I, I came up with Twitter.

[24:33] Elizabeth Gillies: I think we had to make a Twitter for, um, Victorious.

[24:36] Robert Peterpaul: Like they were like, you have to kind of make one.

[24:38] Elizabeth Gillies: And I, I didn't want any of it.

[24:39] Robert Peterpaul: And I, I think it was actually, uh, Ariana Grande who encouraged me to make social media and make a Twitter.

[24:44] Elizabeth Gillies: She's always really, really good at it and good at communicating with fans.

[24:47] Robert Peterpaul: I found a connection there when they would make fan art or when they would make funny edits or when they we would do funny competitions or jokes.

[24:54] Elizabeth Gillies: That's kind of gone now.

[24:55] Robert Peterpaul: That was Twitter when Twitter was pure and fun and cool if it ever was.

[24:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, the bird has flown the nest.

[25:00] Robert Peterpaul: The bird has flown the nest and X has landed.

[25:02] Elizabeth Gillies: We have exited, yeah.

[25:04] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[25:04] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, but I have a really good relationship where there's a lot of stuff.

[25:08] Robert Peterpaul: There's always a lot of noise.

[25:09] Elizabeth Gillies: I have a decent following and I, I don't really read everything.

[25:13] Robert Peterpaul: If I, if I notice there's a trend, if I notice something is bubbling up, something is happening, I will choose.

[25:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Bangs, bangs, why ugly now?

[25:22] Robert Peterpaul: So make change.

[25:25] Elizabeth Gillies: But, um, I'm good at kind of zoning it out.

[25:28] Robert Peterpaul: I know I know who I am.

[25:29] Elizabeth Gillies: I know the importance of my life outside of this world and how full that life is and how happy I am there.

[25:35] Robert Peterpaul: So I, I don't get lost in all of that.

[25:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[25:37] Robert Peterpaul: Wait, that's one of the coolest things about you, I think, in listening to interviews with you is that you say you go on tangents, but you just have so many cool, interesting things to share that have nothing to do with the project you're gonna do.

[25:48] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm diagnosed or diagnosed, like ADHD.

[25:51] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, I think I actually, I think my mom mentioned to me, you know, we were going back to how they tell you things later that would have been useful before.

[25:56] Elizabeth Gillies: Yep.

[25:56] Robert Peterpaul: I think she mentioned to me a year or two ago that I that they asked me to go on medication for ADT or ADHD, and she was like, I think it's gonna make her less creative.

[26:04] Elizabeth Gillies: And I'm like, you might have been right, mom, but I can list, uh, probably over a hundred and ten instances where maybe it would have helped.

[26:10] Robert Peterpaul: No, see.

[26:10] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm trying to memorize lines sometimes.

[26:12] Robert Peterpaul: Maybe we'll try one together one day.

[26:13] Elizabeth Gillies: We'll try it.

[26:14] Robert Peterpaul: Get my back.

[26:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, you haven't?

[26:16] Robert Peterpaul: No, I've never tried it.

[26:17] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't, I don't have it.

[26:17] Robert Peterpaul: I took the test and my doctor was like, oh, you should.

[26:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, copy.

[26:20] Robert Peterpaul: But I said I think if I took a lot of tests, I'd find out a lot about my personality.

[26:24] Elizabeth Gillies: But, um, but no, yeah, that's the end of my sentence.

[26:27] Robert Peterpaul: I know now I don't even remember the question.

[26:29] Elizabeth Gillies: Sorry, because it's me and the words.

[26:30] Robert Peterpaul: I love it so much.

[26:31] Elizabeth Gillies: So no, I just meant you have such a full life that you have a lot to talk about besides your career, which is I do.

[26:37] Elizabeth Gillies: I, I, I love I'm, I'm, you know, I've worked since I was maybe nine years old, and it's very important to me.

[26:43] Elizabeth Gillies: But I have a very full, like private home life outside of that.

[26:46] Elizabeth Gillies: I've, like I said, I have all my best friends from when I was about six years old, and then I've made such amazing friends along the way.

[26:53] Elizabeth Gillies: As I told you, I like I make I don't make people stay my friend, but I am loyal, and when I like someone, usually it's mutual. Um those friendships last a long time. So all the different shows I've made really strong friendships. My dogs, I mean my husband, my family. I'm super close with my family. So I'm good. You know what I mean? I love doing this, and it is my main focus and goal. But if not, I'm good to like grow vegetables and drink ginger ale and make soups and like watch, you know, love on the spectrum and chill out. And that's my day. I'm I'm all good there. I am gonna talk about love on the spectrum. Great. I just finished this new season, so we can talk about it for the rest of the podcast.

The somewhere over the rainbow. It was so special and beautiful. I love them so much. Um Logan was such a fun introduction. Sweet. Not knowing Kean's name. Never Sean all the time. I did miss we had Tanner on here a while back. I'm sorry, I keep dropping that. He's a great mister Rob and I blacked out and it's just like the sweetest hour of my life. Talk about honesty and how what a beautiful tool honesty is watching even one episode of that show. I mean, if we could all be more honest and in present in our bodies and our thoughts and our minds, you just see I mean how beautiful it can be. And their parents and how patience is, I think also kindness. I struggle with patience. I'm good at I'm good with like life things, like my life, I'm good with my career.

I'll be patient there. But if I'm online, I have short term very bad. Well, the tech stuff is where I have bad patience. Like I'm very patient across the board but tech things. Yeah I realize I do something weird with yeah yeah right that's the stuff that I realize if something's loading and it won't load if you're in a bad service area. I figured this out recently I furiously blink until it loads. Oh do you research shows that helps research shows I should definitely see that doc. Um what's that this girl in high school god love her Alicia Bronzino hey shout out haven't talked to you full name government name decade I'm so sorry lives on twelve Marshall Street. She said if no I'm just kidding I know she snaps.

I think she's a mom now God bless she snapped in front of her phone and she said that helped get you service at school. Yeah probably about as much as my blinking I think I think Alicia and I should see the same well we have a caller no just me um I'm wondering looking at all this do you this is a bigger question but and I'm sure there were a lot but do you feel like there's one act of kindness that comes to mind as sort of changing your life or your trajectory looking back. It could be a recent one even that's such a hard question. I know. Oh my gosh an act of kindness has changed my li know what this is this is kind of boring but when I went and did the screen test for Victorious we had to sign a six year contract.

It's typically what you now I don't think that's what but you you sign it. So basically you're signing your life away for six years and I remember being at some hotel in Santa Monica with my mom, my dad, my brother and and I and we we'd never been to LA before and we were signing this knowing that if I signed this somebody was going my mom was going to have to go live with me potentially in LA for six years away from my dad and my brother and that was a massive sacrifice that they would have to make for me. And we signed it, and it was emotional and like weird, and I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen. This is so strange. And she came and she lived with me because she had to. I was a minor.

And she would fly home back and forth to see my brother and my dad, and for the time we were filming, and what a huge sacrifice to, you know, because we're a really tight-knit family. That was a really major thing. And that act of kindness, I mean, without that, I wouldn't be anywhere. I wouldn't the the act of kindness of a parent sort of giving up their job or their life for the moment, their their family sometimes for periods of time, and coming to kind of take this big chance and risk and letting me leave high school. It's insane. I think so many talented kids get a late start or no start at all because their parents either discourage them or they're not so uh selfless to be able to do something like that, or they're not in the position to, and um it was hard, but I'm so thankful my parents did.

If not, then I don't know, I don't know where I would be. No, we're also thankful. I mean you're entertaining us left and right. But that that's beautiful. It no, it is it is a huge I mean that's a huge yeah. I don't know if I'd do it. If my kids like I want to act, I'd be like, first of all, don't you're dogs? How many dogs do you have? Do you say you have two? I only have two right now. I know it's right now sounds insane. I've had so many dogs at one time, but I didn't know they get older and died. I just found that out in the last few years that that's what happened with dogs. I'm sorry. Um, it's okay. Um, it's fine. Um, it's they've all had such incredibly long, beautiful lives. But yeah, um, I have two dogs right now, and um you're gonna ask if they wanted to act, but I support it.

No, I don't know. Like we had well, I've been doing that. I mean, we had a beautiful dog, was my brother's make a wish. Shout out to Ellie, loved her so much. And it does there's nothing like the grief of a pet. I mean, I don't know. I think because animals are just better than people. Maybe that's why it's part of it. That is why. Yeah. And they just love you so selflessly. I I don't, I I can't, I all I wanted was a dog growing up. It's one thing my parents didn't do. They didn't give me a dog. Here we go. Yeah, I'm mad. Even though I've had many, many sins. I'm I might be angry. Um, no, it's fine. Probably because I was a child actor and traveling everywhere, and there was who would take care of it.

Yeah, I can't imagine a life without dogs. I can't. I the joy they give me. I whatever, everyone knows this. I sound ridiculous, but hold my god. That's kindness too. I feel like I didn't truly know like the full spectrum of love until I got mom, my puppy. The first dog I ever got is a puppy, Otis, my French Bulldog. Are you kidding? Otis is my dream dog name. Yeah, he's pretty remarkable. And I've called them Otis and then. Sweet and then left. Okay. Honesty is kindness. It's okay. If you can't, you can't. You have to be ready to adopt a dog. It's a massive commitment. I'm always I'm always ready for something. My wife was like, I want a cat. And I said, Let's get to. Never had a cat in my life.

I love that very much. Yeah. My husband's like that. I could bring home, and have before just about anything. I even joked that I bring home a pig, and he's like, it's fine. We just have to take a look at the backyard. I'm like, I love that you said that. I'm not bringing home a pig, but I love that you were fine with it. Figure out like, do they stay small? Is there one that does stay small? Because I really don't think so. I've had friends that have had pigs and they're big. Okay. They're hogs. It's the Tom Hanks sequel, big. Okay. Yeah. Big two. Pig edition. Well, obviously, I gotta ask you about Dynasty. So we we started binging this during lockdown. We still have five episodes to go. I'm so impressed that you made it this far.

No, we don't want it to end. It really takes a it really goes on its own journey after probably season two. There's just no, there's so much to break down about it. So much that I love. And I bring it up because obviously people probably want me to, but I feel like comfort shows are such an act of kindness. Oh god, yes. Oh my god, yes. Yeah, and you created this like comfort character. I guess how does that feel? And then what's your current comfort show? My comfort show that I just finished was Love on the Spectrum. Um, but I have other comfort shows that I love Housewives is a big comfort show of mine. Housewives at Beverly Hills. My favorite franchise is um Real Housewives of New York, of course, but I don't, you know, we're in a transition period, but we have Golden Life coming, isn't that right?

Which is like I disagree the OGs. Okay, so yeah, whatever. I won't bore you with it. I'm a super fan of that. It's my comfort show. Salt Lake, I think is the best comedy on TV. Yeah, it's amazing. It's hilarious. Also, my lottery dream home. Have you ever seen that? That's like my discomfort show. So it's become both. It's so um my discomfort show in that it makes me very uncomfortable. The show. Yeah. He's a wonderful host. It's a really fun show, but for some reason I get very stressed out watching it. And in that, I it feels like an old friend and I and I do it like before bed every night. I'm also doing doing a girls' rewatch right now, so that's my eternal comfort show. I do have to watch girls.

I've I haven't seen it. It's wonderful. Yeah. Um, don't remember your question again. So sorry. Here we go. No, I bring up Dynasty too because. Oh, comfort show, yeah. Dynasty. It makes me so happy that people watch that as a comfort show. Obviously, there's a lot of it, and people have kind of found it again, which is really cool, post it airing live, which is kind of perfect because you have this massive amount of episodes that you can lay in bed sick or not, or just kind of like over the course of a year or two years, watch all of it. Or honestly, two weeks if you're really lock in. Oh wow. Um it would be a little insane. Yeah. I mean, how long has it taken you guys? Like three years, right?

Well, we've been dragging it out. We have like five left, like I said, and I just feel like we don't want it to end, you know. Okay. So we're kind of stuck. We're rooting for Fallon, you know what I mean? Of course. You try, she makes bad decisions, but what can you do but root for her? But then she makes good ones. And there's Easter eggs. I think in an episode you said something about playing Audrey and Little Shock. Isn't that wild? That's crazy. I know. What was my dream role? And I just I yeah, so that was that was exciting. Um people sent me that clip after I thought that was funny. Do you do you miss her? Audrey is that a Fallon Fallon. Is that a good one? Yeah, I mean, Fallon's a Fallon and I merged into one as not in life decisions and like the way she behaves uh day in and day out, but yeah.

There's so much of me and Fallon and vice versa. So um and I and I have a lot of her clothes at home that I oh cool that I you know purchase from the show. Yeah, I try to I take them out on occasion. Not all of them fit anymore. It's been about ten years, but um since the beginning, right? Twenty seventeen. Yeah. Um yeah, but to the fact that people still watch it, that they love it, that they can just kind of unwind and have tea and lay in bed or like a martini and watch the show and enjoy. What more can I ask from my career that makes me so happy? So good. Because comfort shows are always there for you. So you're so it's like a friend. I mean, that is awesome. That makes me very happy. And I'm very impressed that you watched it or and and you are watching it.

You know what I also realized I blacked out, I did audition for it like years ago. For who? I I it wasn't good and I wasn't gonna get it, but I Why did I think I could maybe get you the role now, even though it's been off the air for you? Call them. Rob Decina, I don't know, I went to his office, he has like fish tanks everywhere. It was oh my gosh. Had I known you yeah, next time. Right. Is Zane Phillips considered like New York Broadway vibes or not really? Uh yeah, I'm just gonna Okay, maybe he's not, but I saw him in a production of Hair at Serinby. Oh, wow. So long ago. And I I always think I'm like Samantha Jones from Sex in the City, where like I'm out discovering talent, I'm gonna make a call and I'm gonna make their career.

I didn't even know if he was famous yet. I didn't know if he'd never done anything. I didn't care. I was like, can he I knew that I had a new love interest coming up. Yeah that I ultimately cheated on my husband with. We want and um you saw that though. I did see that. And so I was like, let's get him because I just saw him as Claude. He was remarkable. I'm also a huge fan of hair. So good. Oh yeah. And it was uh and uh for whatever reason it didn't happen. And I was like, if I see this kid again, meanwhile, he probably was famous already, like very famous already. But I was like, if I see this anytime I see him now, because obviously he's everywhere, he's in the comeback now and I see him on RuPaul all the time.

Uh on Drag Race. And um I like to do it. In my brain, it's complete delusion. I think I discovered him. Yeah, uh but I love that. No, it's I am always like that. I I go, I I look for people. I I if if I'm wasn't an actor, I would have been a manager or talent agent. Because you got you got the power, you got the drive. And I mean, now you're in that position, producing too. So you can. I do, you know, I keep my eyes open. Yeah, but that I don't think I discovered him at all. But I in my mind I did. Yeah. We can look back at dates and see if maybe I did a little. But I didn't nothing happened. No one listened to me, so it didn't matter. Yeah, have you seen the Take Notero show where she interviews she doesn't know famous people?

I love that. You should try to do it. And so well, she might know who you're out of here. You know what it would be? I if I was interviewing, it would be any any singer from today. Oh. I would have no idea who anyone was. Oh, that would be the show. I love and I'd have to guess their music by like just their vibe and talking about it. Like a hit clip. Do you remember hit clips? We were talking about the brother. Oh my god. I love tip clips, yeah. How funny. Yeah, no, I don't know anybody. We got everybody from today, unfortunately. Well, I know some of your music was on Dynasty to transition back there. Ten months out of the year you filmed for five-ish years. What was your self-kindness routine?

Like how to do that. I'll tell you, it's really simple. I would order myself a dozen vegan donuts, mini donuts, at least twice a week. I'm incredibly treat-based and treat-oriented. So that's what I would do. I would or I'd they'd have r uh red airheads placed on my chair between after a certain amount of scenes. I'm like a dog. I'm no better than an animal. That alone kind of got me through it. Or I I learned to take uh five minute like disco naps, power naps. And and for the last two years that were like the hardest for me, just because I was really burnt out. Um I would watch uh drag race from the beginning. Wait, so you're good at sleeping. No, I'm bad at the same time. Oh, you're bad. I'm bad at it too.

I'm a bad sleeper. Okay. Yeah. Which is really hard when you're giving an aura ring. No. Is it worth it? It won't make it better. It'll just make you aware of it. And then I'll send you messages like, Are you okay today? And you're like, uh, no, that makes it worse for me. Then you get more anxiety because you know you slept three hours and have to wake up at four for shooting or whatever. Exactly. I mean, on average, before my husband and I uh got a house together and got engaged, and I made him I was commuting, we were not engaged yet, so I was flying back to LA every weekend or so after filming that whole thing for like a day or two. Yeah, and it was my choice. I wanted to, or he would come, but I want to see the dogs, so I would fly out.

Yeah. And after a certain amount of years, I was like, you have to propose to me and you have to move here, or I'm I can't do this anymore. Because I was really tired, and he's like, Whoa. So we got we got engaged and got a house. He's like, oh my god. And once he once he entered the picture, um, for the last two seasons or three seasons, I don't remember. I don't remember what I did. Yeah. I slept and I was in I had the dogs and I had my routine. Before that, I probably got on average three to four hours of sleep a night. Wow. Yeah. Well, Dolly Parton gets like five, she said, every night. Good for her. Some people don't need a lot. Yeah. Three or four gets weird. Yeah, they I can't do that.

Because if I'm working for like eight sixteen hours and I'm sleeping for three, it's weird vibes. And I'm doing like and I'm doing like uh monologues about Scottish land trusts and things. I don't know what to do fast on that show. And now, yeah. A nightmare. No, that's maybe it's why I don't work that much. Which should change. Whenever you work, it's iconic. I'm picky, but unfortunately I do talk fast. It's something I have to work on. We'll debunk that. But speaking of fast, this is a flash round we're about to enter. That'll work well. A dynasty of kindness. And I'm just gonna name a phrase and you answer as fast as you can, call and response situation. Okay. Okay. And we can scratch it if you hate it. No, I'm not gonna scratch. I'm excited. I'm just scared. Wiki wiki. Insert theme song. Okay, your favorite way to show kindness.

[40:11] Elizabeth Gillies: Taking somebody out to dinner.

[40:11] Robert Peterpaul: Oh.

[40:12] Elizabeth Gillies: I love taking people out to dinner.

[40:14] Robert Peterpaul: It's a best, isn't it?

[40:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes.

[40:16] Robert Peterpaul: Favorite way to receive kindness.

[40:17] Elizabeth Gillies: I love flowers.

[40:19] Elizabeth Gillies: And honesty.

[40:20] Elizabeth Gillies: I love a well-timed critique or flowers. Flowers with an honest note.

[40:23] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[40:24] Elizabeth Gillies: No bangs.

[40:24] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[40:26] Elizabeth Gillies: Last night was just okay. You were not that great on stage. Enjoy this four hundred dollar flower. So it's like an insult sandwich.

[40:30] Robert Peterpaul: It would have been a thousand dollars.

[40:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah. Kindness. Kindness on set. Um treating everybody the same. Uh not making people wait.

[40:39] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[40:41] Elizabeth Gillies: I hate I don't like that. That's tough. I don't like that.

[40:44] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[40:44] Elizabeth Gillies: Kindness in food form. Well, for me, honoring my dietary restrictions. So when I say dairy free or I say no garlic, honor that. And I think that's kindness. That's a really kind thing to do. Don't think I won't find it, because I will find it every single time.

[40:59] Robert Peterpaul: Did you do FODMAP? Did you have to go through that?

[41:01] Elizabeth Gillies: Of course. Everything. It's the worst.

[41:04] Robert Peterpaul: It's the nightmare.

[41:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah. I'm okay right now though.

[41:06] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, good.

[41:07] Elizabeth Gillies: Right in this moment.

[41:09] Robert Peterpaul: That's so bad.

[41:10] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay. Kindness in miniature form. I know you like miniatures. So what does that look like?

[41:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god, kindness in miniature form. Oh my goodness. I mean, presenting me with a miniature always is really, really nice. A lot of people do that after my shows. I do these singing shows around town and whatever, wherever, and my fans will bring me little miniatures.

[41:24] Robert Peterpaul: Which are impossible to get into.

[41:26] Elizabeth Gillies: We've tried multiple times. And well, I have a 90s show coming up. You can probably get into that.

[41:29] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, 90s.

[41:31] Elizabeth Gillies: I know. But we're doing we added a day. Maybe you can get into it. Maybe you can't, but I'll make it listening.

[41:37] Robert Peterpaul: I'll make a call.

[41:38] Elizabeth Gillies: No, no.

[41:39] Robert Peterpaul: Hello.

[41:40] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes.

[41:40] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[41:40] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, no, it's not gonna work.

[41:41] Robert Peterpaul: It's not gonna work.

[41:42] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks, bye.

[41:43] Robert Peterpaul: Favorite way fans can show you kindness.

[41:45] Elizabeth Gillies: You kind of just said that. Um, um, favorite way fans can show me kindness. I mean, no, no, not like they don't have to give me things ever. That's nice, but they definitely should never think they have to. Um, showing up, honestly, is the ultimate kindness from fans. I'm always amazed whenever I do anything and there's a full house, and I feel so lucky. So that's kindness is just showing up.

[42:02] Robert Peterpaul: Well, you showing up today. That was an act of kindness.

[42:04] Elizabeth Gillies: I didn't. I mean, I could have not come.

[42:05] Robert Peterpaul: You could have.

[42:05] Elizabeth Gillies: I would never.

[42:06] Robert Peterpaul: No, your team is so nice, by the way.

[42:08] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, I had to change it a couple times. I felt so bad about that.

[42:10] Robert Peterpaul: I know they're very sweet.

[42:11] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay. I really pushed for it in person just because it's 200, but no, no, no, that's so much better. By the way, I don't I told you I'm over the Zoom stuff. I don't want to do it anymore.

[42:17] Robert Peterpaul: I know it.

[42:18] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah. And we're probably heading back there. So it's like, well, while we can be in person, let's be in person.

[42:22] Robert Peterpaul: I know.

[42:22] Elizabeth Gillies: There's little like gifts on Zoom if you have a Zoom meeting or call back or something, because it kind of snaps you into the present when there's a technical difficulty.

[42:29] Robert Peterpaul: Of course.

[42:29] Elizabeth Gillies: For someone like me who again ADHD running my brain running.

[42:31] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[42:32] Elizabeth Gillies: And they're kind of like, oh yeah, there's people there. Sure. So that's like the little gift, which we don't have now, but I can snap. It's gonna be fine.

[42:36] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, it's been fine.

[42:38] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, what about a dynasty musical?

[42:40] Robert Peterpaul: We are the Broadway podcast network. So I mean, I was thinking about in many ways, Death Becomes Her, like, is the dynasty musical.

[42:45] Elizabeth Gillies: It's really funny you say this. I was just texting with a friend of mine moments ago while I was fixing my makeup about a similar type of thing. Not dynasty per se, but um, there's something about the campy irreverence and fun and um costumes, everything about Death Becomes Her, or like again, totally like Titanic, like you said. I love so much and I gravitate towards.

[43:06] Robert Peterpaul: So yeah, maybe I don't know. Probably not probably not a dynasty musical. Like, what storyline would you pick?

[43:10] Elizabeth Gillies: You saw how many. First of all, the original, which is the holy grail, and and the one it would be based off of. Um, how do you pick one there? There were hundreds of episodes, and then ours, I don't what is even going on?

[43:23] Robert Peterpaul: Masquerade, okay, sleep no more kind of vibe.

[43:25] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, that's really funny. I don't know. A sleep no more dynasty-esque.

[43:30] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[43:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Wow, interactive walkthrough where you're just walking in, or it's like a housewives walk. You're just walking in on people fighting and throwing champagne glasses, and they're holding up cards. And you're walking in on like bad things of like people cheating here, somebody bearing a body here.

[43:43] Robert Peterpaul: Actually, I love this. I think this is finance it.

[43:46] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay, cool.

[43:47] Robert Peterpaul: Maybe I can get into that.

[43:48] Elizabeth Gillies: Please, you'll be in it. Again, since we're we're talking by way here, I know you got to check off your dream role with not in checkoff, but in uh little shop.

[43:57] Robert Peterpaul: Was she kind of the end all be all? And I guess do you have others?

[44:00] Elizabeth Gillies: I have others. No, Audrey. First of all, I want the dentist. I've said it so many times. I don't know why they won't let me do it. I swear to God, it'll work.

[44:05] Robert Peterpaul: No one's into it.

[44:07] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm like, trust me. Not only is it in my range, but I just think it would work. I think it would work so well.

[44:14] Robert Peterpaul: And I can use my my my short pixie cut black wig again, which I'm always trying to do.

[44:18] Elizabeth Gillies: Basically just trying to do that. Um so no, Audrey was like a miracle. It was everything not a miracle. That's not the word I wanted.

[44:25] Robert Peterpaul: That's sad.

[44:25] Elizabeth Gillies: I thought that, and then it was for real. No, it was a miracle that I came around in my lifetime. I thought that this revival was running and has been doing so well that I was able to go into it. The dynasty had ended, so I had the time.

[44:36] Robert Peterpaul: Um it was the most special experience ever.

[44:40] Elizabeth Gillies: And speaking of kindness, the most wonderful thing that happened while I was there was a moment in the I loved the girls so very much, and we all share a dressing room, the urchins and swings and understudies and all the girls. And we were in there, and I was always really nervous about hitting this one note that's just not it, not I'm not built for or you don't kind of say that big one.

[44:58] Robert Peterpaul: Oh and I was nervous before I went out one day.

[45:00] Elizabeth Gillies: I really didn't have it. It was early days, and I was like, and they all sang it with me on loop until I went outstage to go do it. That's that is like I don't know what's kinder than that.

[45:10] Robert Peterpaul: That actually probably was the most that was like a moment where I was like, oh, this is everyone's so nice, and this is so so so sweet.

[45:16] Elizabeth Gillies: So theater though. Right so theater like ragtag backstage, everybody tape in each other. Like you're just doing anything to kind of go up there, get it done, and then you can figure it out later.

[45:26] Robert Peterpaul: 100%.

[45:26] Elizabeth Gillies: It was like uh that experience was just the best for that reason, honestly. Mostly that reason. Uh it was wonderful. Other than Audrey, Sheila and Hare, Miss Hannigan.

[45:36] Robert Peterpaul: That would be incredible.

[45:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I'm dying of the bigger. I mean, Death Becomes her you mentioned too much.

[45:39] Robert Peterpaul: Of course, you would kill that.

[45:40] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I would love, I would love Death Becomes Her sounds unbelievable. I mean, you know, I have I have I have a I have a lot of them.

[45:46] Robert Peterpaul: I always wanted to do.

[45:47] Elizabeth Gillies: Sorry, there's a hair I want to take it off. Again, I have cats, so there's nothing.

[45:51] Robert Peterpaul: No, I do too. I have dogs.

[45:52] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, you know, I'm probably all over me.

[45:54] Robert Peterpaul: No, it's more just that I have undiagnosed.

[45:57] Elizabeth Gillies: Tangibles. I ha I usually have a fidget spinner thing.

[46:00] Robert Peterpaul: You do.

[46:00] Elizabeth Gillies: Actually, Milo and I had them backstage at Little Shop. I had this one that clicked. Um it kind of was like you just clicked it, and I I had one, and then he was always using it, so I got him one.

[46:07] Robert Peterpaul: Okay.

[46:08] Elizabeth Gillies: Big on those. I need to see what that was.

[46:09] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, they're not good for the mic, so I can't.

[46:11] Elizabeth Gillies: Of course they're not going to do my mics.

[46:13] Robert Peterpaul: And then I look at myself and I'm like, he's under the table.

[46:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Um there are so many. And then and then honestly, the bulk of the roles that I really want. To be honest, in Chicago and play Velma.

[46:22] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, that that's yes.

[46:23] Elizabeth Gillies: I know. Badly. I'm not a dancer, but I'd figure it out.

[46:27] Robert Peterpaul: I can do that.

[46:27] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, that's it.

[46:28] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I can do that.

[46:29] Elizabeth Gillies: I think.

[46:29] Robert Peterpaul: I think you could.

[46:30] Elizabeth Gillies: I believe in you.

[46:31] Robert Peterpaul: I also, Freeder of Hocus Pocus was on here a while back, and they said they're working on a Broadway musical.

[46:35] Elizabeth Gillies: And Ortega.

[46:36] Robert Peterpaul: I watched it this morning.

[46:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh no, you also had to be.

[46:38] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, you also had fun.

[46:40] Elizabeth Gillies: And he said Hocus Pocus might become an opportunity.

[46:42] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, I mean, yes, Winnipeg Sanderson. I just I feel like you would kill that.

[46:44] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, I'd be, I'd be I'd be on the floor begging to be considered for that. That would be ether.

[46:50] Robert Peterpaul: That would be next level.

[46:51] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't know. The witchy knows. You said you've been living forever already, so it's not.

[46:55] Robert Peterpaul: I think I am a witch, and I don't mean that in like I think I'm a witch. Like when girls try to be hot when they're like in their teens.

[46:59] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, unfortunately, I think I'm a witch.

[47:02] Robert Peterpaul: Unfortunately.

[47:03] Elizabeth Gillies: And I live with the burden of it.

[47:04] Robert Peterpaul: That's kind of a great title.

[47:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Unfortunately. Fortunately. I think I'm a witch. Are the kids sitting down?

[47:08] Robert Peterpaul: I think I'm a witch.

[47:09] Elizabeth Gillies: On Disney Channel.

[47:10] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, so that's I I have a whole list, but I don't remember.

[47:13] Elizabeth Gillies: That's fine.

[47:14] Robert Peterpaul: Anything goes, that'd be fun.

[47:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, that'd be so cool.

[47:16] Robert Peterpaul: I can tap.

[47:17] Elizabeth Gillies: Really?

[47:17] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, I can do that.

[47:18] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I can do that.

[47:19] Robert Peterpaul: I think because it's like how I talk on my feet.

[47:23] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, it's more methodical. Can't do like lyrical or jazz or anything like super cool or fluid. Like it makes me nervous and scared.

[47:27] Robert Peterpaul: But if something's really sharp and technical, I can kind of do it.

[47:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Um okay. What about these moments I wonder in Little Shop? Talking about kindness when you're I barely think about it.

[47:38] Robert Peterpaul: What do you mean?

[47:38] Elizabeth Gillies: When things go wrong. Things go wrong. I'm just thinking of like tripping, whatever. I love improv. So in a show like Little Shop, there's so much levity. It's it has that specific tone where it's kind of a choose your own adventure with how and I played my Audrey actually for whatever reason.

[47:51] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't think I would play her exactly the same if I went back, which I hope to. I want to go do it again when I'm like in my forties or fifties. That's my dream. Because I I like her that age.

[47:57] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[47:58] Elizabeth Gillies: I like her a little older.

[48:01] Robert Peterpaul: And they very specifically had a different tone, sort of with this.

[48:03] Elizabeth Gillies: They did. Audrey this time.

[48:04] Robert Peterpaul: And I and I was a little like more intense with her, and I I grounded it, you know, more than I thought I was going to.

[48:11] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, but I mean, I the thing that would happen to me, it happened about two or three times. It actually happened a year ago yesterday or whatever Mother's Day was last year. I knew I lost my voice, but I was like, let's just see. Because I think I can make it work.

[48:21] Robert Peterpaul: And I I did the matinee, and um I I lost my voice.

[48:29] Elizabeth Gillies: I really lost it. So it was a lot of like from Skid Row. Like I didn't I didn't sing anything. I had to talk a lot of the songs, and then it was like, hey don't condescend.

[48:39] Robert Peterpaul: And I just talked half of it and they laughed, and I'm like, you know what? It's fine. I think it's fine. We're gonna get through it.

[48:44] Elizabeth Gillies: So then I just made to act I acted my butt off because to me there's like a scale of like if one thing is in a deficit, so the singing is in a deficit now. So we have to like at least really get them there where let's be funny, let's act really well, let's break their hearts.

[48:57] Robert Peterpaul: And it ended up making for a very I'd done it a million times at that point.

[49:00] Elizabeth Gillies: So it made for a very interesting performance.

[49:03] Robert Peterpaul: So I roll with the punches.

[49:04] Elizabeth Gillies: You know, if someone forgets a line, which rarely happens, but if they do, I'm ready. I mean, I I know the show. I like to improv if it were something if it was Death of a Salesman.

[49:13] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, that might be.

[49:13] Elizabeth Gillies: That would be really scary.

[49:15] Robert Peterpaul: I just saw that it was the best thing I've ever seen.

[49:16] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm dying to see it.

[49:17] Robert Peterpaul: Maybe ever.

[49:18] Elizabeth Gillies: Um the acting was I don't I I I don't even have the words, but I felt that way about Oedipus. Did you get to see it?

[49:23] Robert Peterpaul: No, I didn't get to see it.

[49:24] Elizabeth Gillies: I'll I'll I'll try to see it.

[49:25] Robert Peterpaul: It's I think it's done.

[49:26] Elizabeth Gillies: Great.

[49:27] Robert Peterpaul: So you can try.

[49:29] Elizabeth Gillies: Sick.

[49:29] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, yeah.

[49:29] Elizabeth Gillies: But I'll fail.

[49:30] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[49:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, but no, I mean, I I welcome uh, especially, you know, after the monotony of whatever, especially if you have a small house in Matinee.

[49:38] Robert Peterpaul: Sure, have something go wrong.

[49:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Let's see what's what's going on.

[49:40] Robert Peterpaul: But they love it too.

[49:41] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my gosh, yeah. That's like SNL when they laugh.

[49:43] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, oh yes, yes, they love it.

[49:45] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[49:45] Robert Peterpaul: That's so fun.

[49:46] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I mean, I guess you don't want things to go wrong with I told you I watched Spread on the on the way here.

[49:51] Robert Peterpaul: I love your segue of things that went wrong.

[49:52] Elizabeth Gillies: You mean like in my career?

[49:53] Robert Peterpaul: No, no, no. I just moved bye.

[49:56] Elizabeth Gillies: It's actually the only thing.

[49:57] Robert Peterpaul: That's very sweet that you watch spread, by the way.

[49:59] Elizabeth Gillies: I was like, I can't. That that must be hard too. When you like have friends in the industry and they're like in a big project, and then you have to do it. Watch my movie.

[50:04] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, you haven't seen it?

[50:06] Elizabeth Gillies: Or they say they saw like I I actually like to see the things, but it's hard to see everything.

[50:10] Robert Peterpaul: My thing is when I work with somebody, I look for the one thing they're maybe ashamed of.

[50:14] Elizabeth Gillies: This is maybe not art of kindness, and I and I want to see it because I want I want to know. Not because I'm gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up, but I'll know.

[50:20] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[50:20] Elizabeth Gillies: And I'll be like, can you show me?

[50:23] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, 100%.

[50:24] Elizabeth Gillies: But I appreciate that you watch Spread. That's very sweet.

[50:25] Robert Peterpaul: I did. I I like that little movie. We had a good time.

[50:28] Elizabeth Gillies: I love I didn't bring it up because of what you think about. I brought it up because as a producer then, and also the lead, this is the same with when you put your other shows together across the city that I'm gonna bang down the door and then try and get into.

[50:38] Robert Peterpaul: Especially when things do go wrong.

[50:40] Elizabeth Gillies: I wonder how you lead with kindness. Sort of like is that something you think about as a leader? On something like that, on something like Spread, where you have it's it's an indie, you have such a a s uh lim it's low budget, you have a limited amount of time, limited amount of money.

[50:52] Robert Peterpaul: Um, you lose people left and right.

[50:53] Elizabeth Gillies: I mean, we had one of our leads in that movie got COVID. It was still COVID time, and so all her scenes had to be moved to Zoom. We had to change everything in this script.

[50:59] Robert Peterpaul: Oh wow.

[51:01] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah. And and oh yeah. And that that's less fun and exciting as like a night in theater because it it alters the movie permanently, and that's all people will see will be the final uh you know, the final product.

[51:12] Robert Peterpaul: But um we had plenty of things that went wrong.

[51:14] Elizabeth Gillies: And our director actually, Ellie, who I love very much, she is one of the only directors I've ever worked with, and maybe it's because she's a female, um, who never she never lost her cool.

[51:24] Robert Peterpaul: There was plenty to lose our cool about and she never did.

[51:27] Elizabeth Gillies: And I think when a director, producer, anybody at the top, um, when they can maintain a sense of ease and calm and decorum and uh that everyone else follows suit.

[51:36] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, they set the tone.

[51:37] Elizabeth Gillies: And so because of that, although we had plenty of things stacked up to against us and it was difficult and we had no time or money, um, she set the tone and it was a very enjoyable experience, and everyone was working towards the same goal, which was doing something because they loved it and wanted to make a good product.

[51:53] Robert Peterpaul: And so as long as you have that, I think you're okay.

[51:56] Elizabeth Gillies: It's when you don't that everything starts going out the window.

[51:58] Robert Peterpaul: Well said, friend.

[51:59] Elizabeth Gillies: I think it's it's spreading kindness.

[52:01] Robert Peterpaul: It's spreading kindness.

[52:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I I yeah, I I wondered that in in that leadership position, because we've all been in situations where maybe it's the opposite.

[52:10] Robert Peterpaul: And I don't Did you shoot dinnies during the pandemic?

[52:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, last season during COVID.

[52:14] Robert Peterpaul: Oh last that's two.

[52:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Last three.

[52:16] Robert Peterpaul: Oh my gosh.

[52:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Did you have any of those situations where someone was like not there in a studio record?

[52:20] Robert Peterpaul: Constantly.

[52:21] Elizabeth Gillies: I had one where I was going I had done rehearsals with somebody and hung out with them and it was a guest star or something recurring.

[52:26] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[52:27] Elizabeth Gillies: And I was I go up to one of our sets to shoot, and they never came and they said so we had to get tested constantly, sometimes twice a day.

[52:33] Robert Peterpaul: I don't know.

[52:35] Elizabeth Gillies: And they tested positive.

[52:36] Robert Peterpaul: So um in that moment they just quickly there was it was constant.

[52:40] Elizabeth Gillies: They rewrote it, or I talked to myself, or I absorbed some of the exposition and kind of just like muttering to myself because I couldn't have I didn't have a scene partner anymore.

[52:48] Robert Peterpaul: I don't remember what they did.

[52:49] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, exactly. Because it cut wig.

[52:50] Robert Peterpaul: I mean, I did play my own mother on that show.

[52:52] Elizabeth Gillies: So I I meant to bring it up.

[52:53] Robert Peterpaul: I can play more than one character.

[52:54] Elizabeth Gillies: I've done it a few times on that show.

[52:56] Robert Peterpaul: No, that was insane.

[52:56] Elizabeth Gillies: The way you like you're such a good mimic. The way you actually channeled her was insane.

[53:00] Robert Peterpaul: It was fun.

[53:01] Elizabeth Gillies: It's insane looking back.

[53:02] Robert Peterpaul: I know I wonder if she hates me that I did it.

[53:04] Elizabeth Gillies: I didn't, I it was the strangest request that I never saw coming that came from the producers. And I couldn't say no because I'm like, when else am I gonna get a chance to play my own mother in her respectable or semi-respectable TV show like this, I have to say yes.

[53:18] Robert Peterpaul: And I had the best time.

[53:19] Elizabeth Gillies: And um and Nicolette had a very particular cadence to her voice that I loved so much. And when everybody when anyone has uh a tone to their voice or way that they speak, which many of the cast members did, you end up, you know, you tell a story, you you know, or you recall a conversation you had, you do it.

[53:35] Robert Peterpaul: So I think they knew that I could do it, and um, you know, and I I gave it my best shot, but who knows?

[53:46] Elizabeth Gillies: A lot of them because they love your parodies.

[53:48] Robert Peterpaul: I think you mostly do them with Ariana.

[53:50] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, our Halloween show.

[53:51] Robert Peterpaul: That's our favorite.

[53:52] Elizabeth Gillies: We I I mean, I'm I'm I'm so proud of those Halloween parodies.

[53:56] Elizabeth Gillies: And that was the most fun ever. We had like two days I was off from Dynasty.

[53:59] Elizabeth Gillies: She flew down for two days. We rented locations, we rented dogs.

[54:01] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't even know what happened. We we uh we tried to play dogs.

[54:06] Elizabeth Gillies: We did, you can rent dogs. I mean, we hired them, they were actors.

[54:09] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, rented is not the word. We hired them just like I was hired for any job.

[54:14] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, um it was remarkable. We had the casting calls for certain types of poodles.

[54:18] Elizabeth Gillies: We had a lot of help um from various people, but we got it done, and it was just we were flying by the seat of our pants and we worked so hard and we loved that movie so much, and we just we were just laughing.

[54:27] Elizabeth Gillies: It was ridiculous.

[54:28] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, it was the it was so dumb and funny, and that's my favorite thing. If I could be in prosthetics playing a different character every hour, I would be in heaven.

[54:36] Robert Peterpaul: You heard it here first, everybody.

[54:37] Elizabeth Gillies: I love that.

[54:38] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, yeah.

[54:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Makes me very happy.

[54:40] Robert Peterpaul: You know what also makes me happy? You being here.

[54:41] Robert Peterpaul: So I'm gonna bombard you with a few more compliments with the surprise game called the compliment game.

[54:46] Elizabeth Gillies: And basically, I reached out to someone in your life.

[54:49] Robert Peterpaul: This is the theme song.

[54:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so sorry.

[54:51] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so scared to see who this could be.

[54:52] Robert Peterpaul: Is it an enemy?

[54:53] Elizabeth Gillies: No.

[54:54] Elizabeth Gillies: Could you imagine? Everyone's beautiful in their way.

[54:57] Robert Peterpaul: It's the compliments game on me.

[54:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Yay, okay.

[54:59] Robert Peterpaul: It's the compliment.

[55:00] Robert Peterpaul: Compliment.

[55:02] Robert Peterpaul: Yay.

[55:05] Robert Peterpaul: So I reached out to someone in your life for a loving statement about you.

[55:09] Robert Peterpaul: I'm gonna read it to you, and then you have to guess who said it.

[55:11] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm like, okay.

[55:12] Robert Peterpaul: And I only reached out to two people and both of them said yes.

[55:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[55:15] Elizabeth Gillies: You can ask me yes or no questions.

[55:25] Robert Peterpaul: Are these people you knew?

[55:27] Elizabeth Gillies: I kind of know one of them.

[55:28] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[55:28] Robert Peterpaul: The other one was just like, I'm gonna.

[55:30] Elizabeth Gillies: The other one I just shot my shot and worked out.

[55:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Big fan of the other person.

[55:33] Robert Peterpaul: Okay.

[55:33] Robert Peterpaul: I'll I'll give you some hints along the way.

[55:35] Robert Peterpaul: This is your first one.

[55:35] Robert Peterpaul: It's very specific.

[55:36] Robert Peterpaul: I'll try to give you a hint in the way I say too.

[55:38] Robert Peterpaul: Liz Gillies never misses an opportunity to remind the public to drink more ginger ale.

[55:43] Robert Peterpaul: And for that, she deserves a public service medal.

[55:47] Elizabeth Gillies: Try to make my voice a little deeper.

[55:49] Elizabeth Gillies: That's wild.

[55:51] Elizabeth Gillies: That was a compliment.

[55:52] Elizabeth Gillies: It's not.

[55:52] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this the one you don't know?

[55:54] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes.

[55:55] Robert Peterpaul: Are they famous?

[55:56] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[55:56] Elizabeth Gillies: They're known for a lot of things.

[55:58] Robert Peterpaul: Like what?

[55:59] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so scared.

[56:01] Elizabeth Gillies: Kind of it's kind of cynical, so I'm pretty sure I know who it is.

[56:03] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[56:04] Elizabeth Gillies: Because it's an insane compliment, obviously.

[56:05] Elizabeth Gillies: It has nothing to do with me.

[56:06] Elizabeth Gillies: So I think I know who it is, but I don't want to be stupid and say who I think it might be, and it's not that person.

[56:10] Robert Peterpaul: No, because it could be a couple people.

[56:12] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't think so.

[56:12] Elizabeth Gillies: I think it can only be one person, but I'm not gonna, I'm not, I don't feel bold enough to say who I think it might be.

[56:17] Robert Peterpaul: Ask me more questions and I'll try and get you there.

[56:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this person an actor?

[56:20] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:21] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this person a writer?

[56:22] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:22] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this person a producer?

[56:24] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:24] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this person a director?

[56:25] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:25] Elizabeth Gillies: Is this person older than me?

[56:26] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:27] Elizabeth Gillies: This person a man?

[56:28] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:28] Elizabeth Gillies: The person have dark hair?

[56:29] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:30] Elizabeth Gillies: This person have a distinct voice.

[56:33] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:34] Elizabeth Gillies: They answered you.

[56:35] Robert Peterpaul: They did.

[56:36] Elizabeth Gillies: That's awesome.

[56:37] Robert Peterpaul: Seth.

[56:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Seth MacFarlane.

[56:39] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[56:40] Elizabeth Gillies: I can't believe it.

[56:41] Elizabeth Gillies: That's right.

[56:41] Elizabeth Gillies: I did.

[56:41] Elizabeth Gillies: I did get a lot of things.

[56:42] Elizabeth Gillies: He loves my he loves my ginger ale thing so much.

[56:45] Robert Peterpaul: That's really true.

[56:46] Elizabeth Gillies: You two, you two singing together is beautiful.

[56:48] Elizabeth Gillies: That's what made me say, I gotta do it.

[56:50] Elizabeth Gillies: I knew I actually knew it like instantly, but I was like crazy.

[56:53] Robert Peterpaul: You're cool.

[56:53] Robert Peterpaul: Would he get mixed up in all this?

[56:54] Elizabeth Gillies: That's what I wanted to know.

[56:56] Robert Peterpaul: That's cool.

[56:56] Robert Peterpaul: That says a lot about him.

[56:57] Elizabeth Gillies: That's kindness right there.

[56:58] Elizabeth Gillies: That is.

[57:01] Elizabeth Gillies: That fuzzy door is also kind.

[57:02] Elizabeth Gillies: That's a production company up with.

[57:02] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, this is your second one.

[57:03] Robert Peterpaul: This is the person I sort of know.

[57:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[57:05] Robert Peterpaul: Okay.

[57:06] Robert Peterpaul: Liz makes everything she touches beautiful.

[57:09] Robert Peterpaul: She has an innate skill for transforming any event into a moment.

[57:14] Robert Peterpaul: Her energy, creativity, and execution are a marvel.

[57:19] Elizabeth Gillies: If this was Seth, I would die.

[57:20] Robert Peterpaul: This is not Seth.

[57:21] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I know.

[57:23] Robert Peterpaul: It is.

[57:23] Robert Peterpaul: It's part two.

[57:24] Robert Peterpaul: There's a hint built into that I can throw.

[57:26] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, give me that hint.

[57:27] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, apparently this is a big hint.

[57:29] Robert Peterpaul: I don't know.

[57:29] Robert Peterpaul: The best hint would be to call her Lizzie versus Liz.

[57:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Lizzie.

[57:34] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm um okay.

[57:36] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, this is just so kind that I feel uncomfortable that anybody in my life reveres me in this way.

[57:40] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I'm kidding.

[57:41] Elizabeth Gillies: I I assume everyone just thinks I'm weird.

[57:43] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, I never get bangs again.

[57:45] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I'm just kidding.

[57:46] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, it is an actor.

[57:48] Elizabeth Gillies: Uh male.

[57:49] Elizabeth Gillies: No.

[57:50] Elizabeth Gillies: Female.

[57:51] Robert Peterpaul: Female.

[57:51] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, Elaine?

[57:52] Robert Peterpaul: It is Elaine Hadges.

[57:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, because Lizzie, because Lizzie, that's so sweet.

[57:56] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god, Elaine.

[57:57] Elizabeth Gillies: Those are good ones.

[57:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Elaine's great.

[58:00] Elizabeth Gillies: Those are like my longtime collaborators.

[58:01] Robert Peterpaul: You did really good.

[58:02] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks.

[58:02] Elizabeth Gillies: I tried.

[58:02] Robert Peterpaul: And I love her so much.

[58:03] Elizabeth Gillies: So you know Elaine a little bit?

[58:05] Elizabeth Gillies: I do.

[58:05] Elizabeth Gillies: I produced a an acting masterclass with her like 10 years ago.

[58:08] Elizabeth Gillies: I got her to come into the city in a little studio.

[58:10] Elizabeth Gillies: She's the coolest.

[58:15] Robert Peterpaul: Is it featured?

[58:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Evan?

[58:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Evian, Evan from the parent trap.

[58:17] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[58:18] Elizabeth Gillies: And she did humor me, but I could tell it was like, ah, like you're not the first person that ever thought of that.

[58:22] Elizabeth Gillies: I like taped a lizard to it.

[58:23] Elizabeth Gillies: And I didn't really know.

[58:24] Elizabeth Gillies: No, she probably loved it.

[58:25] Elizabeth Gillies: She was super.

[58:25] Elizabeth Gillies: She's been incredibly kind, and the two of us um we just love supporting each other and working with each other so so so very much.

[58:33] Elizabeth Gillies: And um that's very, very sweet.

[58:34] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, yeah.

[58:35] Robert Peterpaul: That's so cool that you said I love Elaine so much.

[58:37] Robert Peterpaul: And how about her on dancing?

[58:39] Elizabeth Gillies: My god.

[58:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Did you watch it by chance?

[58:40] Elizabeth Gillies: She was so she was so good, and she's on tour now.

[58:43] Elizabeth Gillies: She's unbelievable.

[58:44] Elizabeth Gillies: She's killing it.

[58:45] Elizabeth Gillies: She just said hello dolly somewhere.

[58:46] Elizabeth Gillies: I saw it.

[58:47] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah, she was just in the crabbish.

[58:49] Elizabeth Gillies: Amazing.

[58:49] Robert Peterpaul: Okay, well, speaking of another role, eventually you'd be great in Hello Dolly, way down the line.

[58:53] Elizabeth Gillies: I think I that's a tap too, yeah.

[58:55] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, you could do a little tap step.

[58:56] Elizabeth Gillies: I can't wait till I'm like 60 or 70.

[58:58] Elizabeth Gillies: That's when the roles will come.

[58:59] Elizabeth Gillies: That's when you'll see me hobbling around the Tony Awards, being in the bathroom if I ever get, you know, an actual award, not accepting it.

[59:06] Robert Peterpaul: What do you mean go?

[59:07] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm not gonna go.

[59:07] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm saying later when I play when I play older roles, when I'm a more seasoned actor, when I'm better, that's when maybe you'll see me around in a huge sparkly cape, like the carols.

[59:17] Elizabeth Gillies: Smoking cigarettes, spilling drinks on myself.

[59:20] Robert Peterpaul: Wow, fake teeth, you wet.

[59:22] Elizabeth Gillies: I can't wait.

[59:22] Elizabeth Gillies: That's amazing.

[59:23] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, mosquito's back.

[59:24] Elizabeth Gillies: It's like fake teeth.

[59:25] Elizabeth Gillies: How about bug bite on your face?

[59:27] Elizabeth Gillies: Bye.

[59:27] Elizabeth Gillies: I didn't say anything.

[59:29] Elizabeth Gillies: Wait, I sometimes they're just not stars.

[59:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, sometimes they're just not ready.

[59:32] Elizabeth Gillies: Liz Liz knows that it doesn't matter.

[59:35] Elizabeth Gillies: It's the worst one, like you're scared.

[59:36] Robert Peterpaul: Was that a dolphin?

[59:37] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I was trying to talk.

[59:38] Elizabeth Gillies: It's in the mosquito.

[59:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, can I get a second?

[59:45] Elizabeth Gillies: Wait, that I don't know what that is, but that's like phenomenal.

[59:48] Robert Peterpaul: Thank you.

[59:48] Elizabeth Gillies: You could use that for something.

[59:50] Elizabeth Gillies: My one woman show, probably.

[59:51] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, for Seth Seth, if you're listening.

[59:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Seth, did you hear?

[59:55] Elizabeth Gillies: You know what I can do?

[59:56] Elizabeth Gillies: It does take me 10 minutes, so I'm not gonna do it now, but I can do the startup, like the dial, you know, this the startup sound from when we were younger.

[1:00:02] Robert Peterpaul: That's really cool.

[1:00:03] Elizabeth Gillies: Can you do it?

[1:00:03] Elizabeth Gillies: It it takes me a while to get it.

[1:00:08] Elizabeth Gillies: You know, it's like I have to get there, but you you could probably send it.

[1:00:13] Elizabeth Gillies: It's very specific, but it's no see that's not it.

[1:00:16] Elizabeth Gillies: But now he seems engaged.

[1:00:17] Robert Peterpaul: I think that what you're doing is better for him.

[1:00:20] Elizabeth Gillies: No, that's not it.

[1:00:21] Elizabeth Gillies: But it could be a good thing.

[1:00:21] Elizabeth Gillies: I get it.

[1:00:22] Elizabeth Gillies: I kinda get it.

[1:00:22] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, no, I get what you're doing.

[1:00:23] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I think it's amazing.

[1:00:24] Elizabeth Gillies: And that was a 200th episode.

[1:00:25] Elizabeth Gillies: No, as a thank you, and uh uh you won the game, so you deserve a prize.

[1:00:28] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, I'm so happy.

[1:00:29] Robert Peterpaul: I have a little little gift for you just for coming, because it actually means a lot that you did this.

[1:00:33] Robert Peterpaul: In here is is just a tiny surprise.

[1:00:36] Elizabeth Gillies: Very heavy.

[1:00:36] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so scared right now.

[1:00:38] Elizabeth Gillies: There's also stickers and like a note in there that I did black out, and I did a spelling error wrong, so then I drew a heart.

[1:00:42] Elizabeth Gillies: Just don't don't look at the note, the note's embarrassing.

[1:00:44] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, don't you don't have to don't read that note yet.

[1:00:46] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm gonna read Oh, it has to be it has to be in front of you.

[1:00:49] Elizabeth Gillies: I just want to I want to see the big reveal.

[1:00:51] Elizabeth Gillies: Scared.

[1:00:51] Elizabeth Gillies: Is it alive?

[1:00:52] Robert Peterpaul: Don't be scared.

[1:00:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Yes, it's like 70 mosquitoes.

[1:00:55] Robert Peterpaul: Oh shut.

[1:00:58] Elizabeth Gillies: Shut?

[1:00:59] Elizabeth Gillies: I know you love ladies.

[1:01:01] Elizabeth Gillies: No, these are going on my trinket shelf.

[1:01:02] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god!

[1:01:03] Elizabeth Gillies: What where do I show?

[1:01:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[1:01:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:06] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god, and look at my boobs, they look perfect.

[1:01:09] Elizabeth Gillies: She did you right.

[1:01:10] Elizabeth Gillies: This is Jen's pretty pegs.

[1:01:11] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Who's uh one of our longtime listeners?

[1:01:13] Robert Peterpaul: Oh my god, look at that.

[1:01:15] Elizabeth Gillies: That's Audrey.

[1:01:16] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:17] Elizabeth Gillies: I reached out to her.

[1:01:18] Elizabeth Gillies: And look at this is my favorite.

[1:01:19] Elizabeth Gillies: This is my favorite dress from Dice.

[1:01:21] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah.

[1:01:21] Elizabeth Gillies: She did the research.

[1:01:23] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:24] Elizabeth Gillies: Jen, thank you so much.

[1:01:25] Robert Peterpaul: I commissioned one for her because I know you liked Minis, and she's such a big fan of you and the show that she gifted you three additional.

[1:01:32] Elizabeth Gillies: So there's two more in there.

[1:01:34] Elizabeth Gillies: Wait, what?

[1:01:34] Elizabeth Gillies: So that you would have your four.

[1:01:36] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm gonna have a meltdown.

[1:01:36] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm really excited.

[1:01:37] Robert Peterpaul: Really?

[1:01:38] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay, yeah.

[1:01:38] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:01:38] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so glad.

[1:01:39] Elizabeth Gillies: And they're hand painted.

[1:01:40] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:41] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god, it's a Lucy from 13th.

[1:01:43] Elizabeth Gillies: So cute.

[1:01:44] Elizabeth Gillies: I was like, what is this outfit?

[1:01:45] Elizabeth Gillies: And I was like, that is what this outfit is.

[1:01:46] Elizabeth Gillies: She looked those up.

[1:01:48] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:01:50] Elizabeth Gillies: So good, right?

[1:01:51] Elizabeth Gillies: Losing my mind.

[1:01:52] Elizabeth Gillies: Jen is the boy.

[1:01:53] Elizabeth Gillies: Can't wait to call my mom and tell her.

[1:01:55] Robert Peterpaul: So glad.

[1:01:55] Elizabeth Gillies: She's she's so good.

[1:01:57] Elizabeth Gillies: And J shut up.

[1:01:59] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, dude.

[1:02:00] Elizabeth Gillies: It's a post.

[1:02:01] Elizabeth Gillies: It's a tag.

[1:02:01] Elizabeth Gillies: It's a visit to the house.

[1:02:03] Elizabeth Gillies: It's it's an invitation to Christmas.

[1:02:05] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm flipping out.

[1:02:07] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:02:08] Elizabeth Gillies: Look at hold on.

[1:02:09] Elizabeth Gillies: Look, look at that.

[1:02:10] Elizabeth Gillies: Look at my body.

[1:02:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Where do these animals go?

[1:02:13] Elizabeth Gillies: Like, do you have a lot of people?

[1:02:14] Elizabeth Gillies: All the hair colors too.

[1:02:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Did I make that up?

[1:02:16] Elizabeth Gillies: A village?

[1:02:17] Elizabeth Gillies: It's doing for like a miniature village.

[1:02:18] Elizabeth Gillies: We have a gnome, a gnome section.

[1:02:19] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, that's not mine.

[1:02:20] Elizabeth Gillies: That's my husband's.

[1:02:21] Elizabeth Gillies: We're very similar.

[1:02:22] Elizabeth Gillies: And so he likes gnomes.

[1:02:23] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I love miniature.

[1:02:25] Elizabeth Gillies: He doesn't like gnomes anymore because now people are like, oh look, yeah.

[1:02:27] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh, here's a gnome for your garden.

[1:02:28] Elizabeth Gillies: He's like, that was then.

[1:02:29] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't like gnomes anymore.

[1:02:30] Elizabeth Gillies: And I'm like, well, we do have one.

[1:02:31] Elizabeth Gillies: So what about the trolls?

[1:02:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Like if you go to Tennessee or something, like Knoxville, they have like these troll villages.

[1:02:37] Elizabeth Gillies: They're really cool.

[1:02:38] Robert Peterpaul: Oh, I'd love to go.

[1:02:39] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, check it out.

[1:02:39] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm I'm spiraling from this.

[1:02:41] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so glad.

[1:02:42] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, I'm really.

[1:02:42] Elizabeth Gillies: I know I wanted them to join us for the full interview, but then I just I I figured that it was a good one.

[1:02:46] Elizabeth Gillies: You gave me something to play with now for the rest of the time.

[1:02:49] Elizabeth Gillies: Interview.

[1:02:49] Elizabeth Gillies: This is brilliant.

[1:02:50] Elizabeth Gillies: She's so talented.

[1:02:51] Elizabeth Gillies: And you are so kind for doing this.

[1:02:53] Elizabeth Gillies: She is she's totally the best.

[1:02:54] Elizabeth Gillies: And again, she just like did this out of the uh I commissioned one and then she just gifted the rest, which is kind of sweet.

[1:02:59] Robert Peterpaul: Wow, wow, wow.

[1:03:00] Elizabeth Gillies: Wow, wow, wow.

[1:03:01] Elizabeth Gillies: Thank you.

[1:03:02] Robert Peterpaul: I know I should have done 200 for the 200th episode.

[1:03:04] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't I have I don't believe I've played 200 characters.

[1:03:06] Elizabeth Gillies: I think we could drum them up.

[1:03:08] Robert Peterpaul: We could drum up maybe 400.

[1:03:09] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't know about 200.

[1:03:10] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my gosh.

[1:03:12] Robert Peterpaul: Well, okay, since it is episode 200.

[1:03:15] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[1:03:15] Robert Peterpaul: We usually hit things home with a tangible kindness tip.

[1:03:18] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[1:03:18] Robert Peterpaul: So Liz Gillies.

[1:03:20] Robert Peterpaul: Or do you prefer Liz, right?

[1:03:21] Elizabeth Gillies: I should have asked her a long time ago.

[1:03:23] Robert Peterpaul: It's fine.

[1:03:23] Elizabeth Gillies: It's great.

[1:03:23] Robert Peterpaul: I'm so sorry.

[1:03:24] Elizabeth Gillies: Absolutely correct.

[1:03:25] Elizabeth Gillies: In my head, I did.

[1:03:26] Robert Peterpaul: What would you say to everyone listening on how they can make their own corner of the world a little kinder?

[1:03:32] Elizabeth Gillies: Well, I think the thing to remember that I always like to remember is that what do they say?

[1:03:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Everybody's fighting a battle you know nothing about, or everybody's having a day that you know nothing about.

[1:03:42] Elizabeth Gillies: You don't know what they just there's been this thing on Instagram, right?

[1:03:45] Elizabeth Gillies: Or where they've been showing like uh Central Park or maybe like a theater house, and they'll put a little line over everyone about what just happened to them, you know.

[1:03:53] Elizabeth Gillies: And they're making it up, but it's like it gives you an idea that it just to not be so um self-centered to not think that um the world revolves around you, to be more patient and kind with others and to know that um you have no idea what somebody's going through and to give them kind of the same grace that you would hope that they give to you and to maybe spend a little more time with your elders, guys, talk to your elders, don't write them off.

[1:04:18] Elizabeth Gillies: They are wise, they are smart, they can teach you, you can teach them.

[1:04:22] Elizabeth Gillies: Um that has always served me really well.

[1:04:24] Elizabeth Gillies: Um I love wisdom, and if anybody there is older than you or has done more than you, is wiser than you, talk to them.

[1:04:31] Elizabeth Gillies: Inherit their wisdom.

[1:04:32] Elizabeth Gillies: They're not gonna be around forever.

[1:04:33] Elizabeth Gillies: Do it, take the time to do it.

[1:04:35] Elizabeth Gillies: Call your grandparents, call their your grandparents' friends, go sit in a park and play chess with an older person and say, Can you give me a little advice?

[1:04:43] Elizabeth Gillies: Some of my favorite life advice things have come from random older people I've met out in the world.

[1:04:49] Robert Peterpaul: Yes.

[1:04:50] Elizabeth Gillies: Um, so I would say, yeah, don't write off your elders and um that's beautiful and be kind to others always.

[1:04:56] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[1:04:56] Elizabeth Gillies: You know, I treat others the way you want to be treated.

[1:04:58] Elizabeth Gillies: The best.

[1:04:59] Elizabeth Gillies: Sometimes I want to be treated poorly, but I would never do that to others.

[1:05:03] Robert Peterpaul: Read the room.

[1:05:04] Elizabeth Gillies: That's also an act of kindness, right?

[1:05:07] Elizabeth Gillies: Especially for auditions, right?

[1:05:08] Elizabeth Gillies: Like always read the room.

[1:05:09] Elizabeth Gillies: Even when it's unreadable, try.

[1:05:10] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, just try to put on glasses and read the room.

[1:05:12] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, even if it's different different language.

[1:05:14] Elizabeth Gillies: You gotta try and get in there.

[1:05:15] Elizabeth Gillies: The other day I was walking around and I saw this woman trimming her hydrangea bushes, which sounds like a euphemism, but it's I I genuinely mean that.

[1:05:21] Elizabeth Gillies: Absolutely.

[1:05:21] Elizabeth Gillies: And I all do it.

[1:05:23] Elizabeth Gillies: I could I have them.

[1:05:23] Elizabeth Gillies: I could Google how to do this, or I could ask this lady.

[1:05:25] Elizabeth Gillies: What we all don't have a hydrangea bush?

[1:05:28] Robert Peterpaul: Come on.

[1:05:28] Elizabeth Gillies: If you don't, call me.

[1:05:30] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, but I just asked her how to do it, and then like clearing.

[1:05:33] Elizabeth Gillies: She'll tell you.

[1:05:33] Elizabeth Gillies: And do you know that when you have hydrangea, if you're cutting them and you're putting them in a vase that you're supposed to cut the stems a certain way so they absorb water correctly so they don't die because they die really quickly.

[1:05:43] Robert Peterpaul: Thank you.

[1:05:43] Elizabeth Gillies: See what I'm saying?

[1:05:44] Robert Peterpaul: Yeah.

[1:05:44] Elizabeth Gillies: I don't know if I mold on you.

[1:05:45] Elizabeth Gillies: I think I probably definitely am, but I just got to tell you that.

[1:05:48] Robert Peterpaul: Maybe it's not right.

[1:05:49] Elizabeth Gillies: I think we're the same age, I think.

[1:05:51] Robert Peterpaul: Liz Gillies, thank you so much for doing that.

[1:05:52] Elizabeth Gillies: Thank you so much for having me.

[1:05:53] Elizabeth Gillies: I hope this interview is editable.

[1:05:55] Elizabeth Gillies: I hope that there's any semblance of um cohesion, meaning, and um theme when you do that.

[1:06:02] Elizabeth Gillies: But uh, this was so much fun.

[1:06:03] Elizabeth Gillies: Thank you for these.

[1:06:04] Elizabeth Gillies: I'm so happy.

[1:06:05] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks, Elaine and Seth, for saying nice things about me.

[1:06:08] Elizabeth Gillies: And um, I really appreciate ranges.

[1:06:13] Elizabeth Gillies: Hydrangeas.

[1:06:14] Elizabeth Gillies: No, I think you made this.

[1:06:15] Elizabeth Gillies: Hydranges and ginger ale would be my magazine.

[1:06:17] Elizabeth Gillies: If I had a magazine, kind of like home and garden, it would be hydrangeas and ginger ale.

[1:06:20] Robert Peterpaul: Wait, that's it.

[1:06:21] Elizabeth Gillies: And we'd sell like six monthly copies to this very specific person.

[1:06:24] Elizabeth Gillies: Exclusive.

[1:06:24] Robert Peterpaul: I like that.

[1:06:25] Elizabeth Gillies: Yeah, maybe maybe your nanny would buy one.

[1:06:27] Robert Peterpaul: Okay.

[1:06:27] Elizabeth Gillies: I'd buy one, maybe.

[1:06:28] Elizabeth Gillies: To them.

[1:06:29] Robert Peterpaul: Perfect.

[1:06:30] Robert Peterpaul: All right.

[1:06:30] Robert Peterpaul: We don't have to print a lot.

[1:06:31] Robert Peterpaul: Well, again, thank you so much.

[1:06:32] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks for just being here.

[1:06:34] Elizabeth Gillies: You're so fun.

[1:06:34] Robert Peterpaul: You're so cool, you're so talented.

[1:06:35] Robert Peterpaul: I'm grateful that we all have you in this world today.

[1:06:37] Elizabeth Gillies: Oh my god.

[1:06:38] Elizabeth Gillies: And I and I feel the same way.

[1:06:39] Elizabeth Gillies: And congratulations tenfold on your 200th episode.

[1:06:42] Elizabeth Gillies: It's just a huge accomplishment.

[1:06:43] Elizabeth Gillies: And we're in like this nice studio in the middle of Times Square.

[1:06:46] Robert Peterpaul: Thanks.

[1:06:46] Elizabeth Gillies: Talk about like shooting high end landing in the stars.

[1:06:49] Elizabeth Gillies: It's kind of unbelievable.

[1:06:50] Elizabeth Gillies: You should feel so good about yourself.

[1:06:52] Elizabeth Gillies: This is rad.

[1:06:53] Robert Peterpaul: Thank you so much.

[1:06:54] Robert Peterpaul: I had the best time.

[1:06:54] Elizabeth Gillies: Thanks, me too.

[1:06:55] Elizabeth Gillies: You're a wonderful interviewer.

[1:06:56] Robert Peterpaul: Thanks, everybody.

[1:06:56] Elizabeth Gillies: Okay.

[1:06:57] Robert Peterpaul: Bye.

[1:06:57] Elizabeth Gillies: Bye.

[1:06:57] Robert Peterpaul: Bye.

[1:07:00] Robert Peterpaul: Until next time, remember everything is gonna be a okay.