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[0:52] Bret Shuford: On today's episode, I'm so excited about today's guest, aren't you?

[0:56] Stephen Hanna: Yeah.

[0:57] Bret Shuford: And I think they're new friends of ours who we got to celebrate Pride with in Austin recently.

[1:05] Stephen Hanna: And we were super excited to interview them for the podcast.

[1:09] Bret Shuford: Um, because they're just a beautiful couple.

[1:13] Stephen Hanna: Yeah.

[1:14] Bret Shuford: So and making their living doing very interesting things.

[1:19] Stephen Hanna: And so we are excited to have Jordyn Pollack and Ziggy Pollack on our podcast.

[1:27] Bret Shuford: Welcome.

[1:28] Stephen Hanna: Welcome, guys.

[1:29] Bret Shuford: Welcome.

[1:30] Jordyn Pollack: Thanks for having us.

[1:32] Ziggy Pollack: How y'all been doing?

[1:34] Jordyn Pollack: We're good.

[1:35] Ziggy Pollack: We're good.

[1:35] Jordyn Pollack: How are you all?

[1:37] Stephen Hanna: Good.

[1:39] Bret Shuford: For those that um who are listening who don't know who you are, this is always a fun thing for our um our guests. Why don't you each introduce your audience about the other person and what they do?

[1:55] Ziggy Pollack: Who they are and what who they are and what they do.

[1:57] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah. Okay. Like what our crew okay I mean so this is my wife Ziggy um she does a lot of things she's does burlesque uh recently it's been having to get back into it just because COVID you know but she's been doing burlesque for a long time when I met her that's what she was doing when I met her she actually had a burlesque troupe which like her and like a bunch of girls and they did a bunch of shows and it was really cool and she also makes costumes uh he also makes costumes and she's a makeup artist as well uh she does makeup for people's weddings um she's also taught like makeup classes before um yeah and her Instagram is gorgeous but the makeup on her Instagram account is stunning like the the stuff she has on her account important I have a lot of fun painting my face during quarantine it was like definitely something that kept me saying like having the a blank canvas to work on um as far as far as Jordan goes he is an entrepreneur and runs a company called Ziggy's Natural which I blush even saying this but is named after me um is a fun loving spirit who is a great dog dad and well pet dad all around because we have two dogs and a cat um he's super into fitness and health in general um he was one he's has been to culinary school, so he's an amazing chef, which I luckily get to benefit from.

[3:41] Ziggy Pollack: Get to eat a lot of amazing food, a lot of healthy food. He loves to hike, go outdoors, play all sorts of different sports, um, loves family and doing things for the community, the LGBT community, and getting back. Um yeah, great big heart.

[4:06] Bret Shuford: You guys, oh my god, you all are just so sweet. That was such a sweet introduction.

[4:12] Stephen Hanna: And for those of you listening, I mean, you have to check out both of their Instagrams. They are just so beautiful and uh and I will say, so we met them.

[4:21] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, so we met Jordan through um Jordyn and Jordan's dad, because we are partnered with Ziggy's Natural and helping promote um their products.

[4:34] Stephen Hanna: And for those of the for those that are interested, we do have a discount this month. If you use Broadway Husbands 20, uh, you can get 20% off.

[4:41] Bret Shuford: Awesome CBD products that we actually didn't know that much about CBD until we talked to them.

[4:49] Stephen Hanna: And um, and what really inspired us to want to partner with them is the family aspect of this business. They're just really such a loving uh family, and uh and then the products are really amazing and been very helpful for us um since we started using them.

[5:09] Bret Shuford: So you know, but what I love too is that you're you've really been a being in you're based in Texas.

[5:18] Stephen Hanna: We are now Texas living here, and and you've been really outspoken about what's going on for the trans community here um recently. Talk a little bit about um being openly trans and the and speaking up for this community at this time.

[5:36] Ziggy Pollack: And I I'm really curious too to know just your story about coming out um trans and your family because your your family is just so amazing incredibly supportive and yeah um it's beautiful to see.

[5:50] Jordyn Pollack: Okay. So I mean, so first with the whole community, I like I mean, I've always tried to put my story out there because when I came out as trans and well, when I just, you know, decided realized that wow, like I've you know, felt like this my whole life, but never really had the words to say it or knew I could actually like look like, you know, and be male, like you know what I mean. Like I just never knew that was a possibility until I saw people on YouTube.

[6:21] Jordyn Pollack: Um and like they put their story out there and would like show like one month, two months, like and then just like show their story and I like really realized that's who who I was too. And I think just seeing that made me realize that I needed to put my story out there for the community and for these other people to know that there's other people like them, just because seeing that helped me so much, you know, and even like in my early phases, like when I would try and reach out to people, some some wouldn't really respond and it was really hard. So I try and be that person who does like respond to every single message I get and make sure I talk to like any person who messages me or asks me a question or I see out in public or whatever, because you know, I want to make everyone feel comfortable and welcome and I don't know it just it's really important to me and it's and it's just I don't know it's special to like be able to connect with other people as well that sh feel the same things like I did growing up.

[7:26] Jordyn Pollack: So that's also a cool part of it for me, you know, just being able to connect with these people that we understand each other in a different way. Um so yeah I mean that's definitely I guess a big answer to that. Um and then when I did come out I was like I was totally I was 25 years old so I was already like you know a little bit older and we were already engaged like at before I like came out to her and my family and I kind of just I guess like I kinda started the story before where I just started seeing other people that I realized I was like, you know and then I like actually knew someone in high school who also is transgender and I was able to talk to him and he kind of said to me well he was like if there was no one else in the world like what would you do you know 'cause in those moments we all like think about what's everyone else gonna think right and like 'cause I was always worried oh my parents are gonna have to tell people and like what are those people gonna think and not even worried about my parents caring because I never thought they would care.

[8:35] Jordyn Pollack: Like I always knew they would love me but I was always worried about them having to tell other people and like that being hard for them. More of like a society.

[8:45] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah like yeah.

[8:46] Jordyn Pollack: And like her family, you know, and like I I knew like I mean, I don't know. I guess Zig, you know, Ziggy was like a lesbian, right? So like it was definitely scary coming out to her, like, because she liked girls, so it was definitely gonna have to be a change for her as well. Like she was gonna have to kind of transition with me within our relationship.

[9:10] Jordyn Pollack: So I feel like it just helps me kind of realize that being pansexual is a thing where you can love the person, not the gender, and it's it really is like the connection that you have with people, which is kind of how I've always been. It's like how I vibe with the person matters so much more than like any kind of external factors or the gender or stuff which box we fit in if if our relationship was to move forward.

[9:36] Ziggy Pollack: So Jordan that just was so easy and made sense because I mean I already loved who you know they were.

[9:44] Jordyn Pollack: So it was an easy transition as far as that goes.

[9:47] Stephen Hanna: Yeah. How long were you together before?

[9:53] Ziggy Pollack: Even once to go back no, I normally so this is what we normally do. We like go back. So let's go back to the first time you all met and how that happened and where you saw each other, and you know, what was your first interaction like with each other?

[10:09] Jordyn Pollack: So I bet we both can have different answers for that.

[10:12] Ziggy Pollack: Well, because it okay, so the first time I saw Ziggy was like at a bar. She didn't see me that night, you know what I mean? Like I didn't we didn't really know each other then. I just saw her at a bar a few nights, like a bunch of times, and I was always just like kind of in awe by her.

[10:32] Jordyn Pollack: Was she performing?

[10:34] Ziggy Pollack: No, she just was like, I mean, not necessarily not performing, I guess. Like one time she was like doing a photo shoot at this bar, and like every there was all these people at this bar, but she's like doing this photo shoot or people were just taking pictures of her whatever. Like I always thought she like she just like reminded me of like the girl next door. I don't know if y'all have seen that maybe like yeah totally what yeah what is that actress's name like totally yes like yeah but I never talked to her then and I actually dated a girl who like we weren't really dating but we were kind of dating and she like cheated on me with Ziggy like it was like this really it was like this whatever you know we were all really really young then.

[11:20] Ziggy Pollack: I kissed her girlfriend.

[11:22] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah it was but like and so the progress like but so then like that was but whatever that your that answers your question is the first time I saw her was like at a bar and she was like getting her picture taken like and so you were like immediately like who is that that is the girl next door I have to meet her and I mean I knew Jordan like they're mutual friends and yeah like my girlfriend at the time like was friends with Jordan and New Jordan and you were always like would show up to when I would have burlesque practice conveniently when I had like a you know like a room full of really pretty girls dancing around and practicing their numbers Jordan would always be like oh like I just thought I'd come by conveniently on my okay yeah.

[12:20] Ziggy Pollack: And then we actually um moved in as roommates and we lived with another um person for us. Um we became like really good friends, and so we were like homeless, like we talk about like our dates, you know, like how it was good like going for people, and like I would start getting home from work and like walk by your room and just start being like, hey, like what's up, what are you doing? Like we just started hanging out like all the time, and then I think we kissed once and then it was over from there.

[12:54] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, yeah. Um how I mean we were for I don't know, like at least like three two years, probably three years, and then we like moved in together, and then we were we lived together for like a year as friends, and towards the end of our lease is when we like started dating kind of secretly. It was kind of the secret thing at first, until we kind of knew I guess for sure. I don't know. And then our lease ended and we moved in together, like dating into the next place.

[13:35] Ziggy Pollack: Definitely you hauled.

[13:36] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, and then we lived there for a year, and I proposed like when we lived there. So I proposed like pretty early after like about after one year ten months. No, probably it probably it was probably like about a year, maybe, and then we didn't get married for like two and a half years after. We took our time finding a venue, yeah. And then we're the slowest wedding planners of all time, and now we just had our two-year wedding anniversary.

[14:08] Ziggy Pollack: Oh congratulations, June 8th, yeah.

[14:12] Jordyn Pollack: So yeah, congratulations. It's interesting. Don't you find that like have you ever dated somebody before where you were like really good friends with them before the spark happened? Because Brett and I have that we had that, like I never really dated somebody that I was friends with before anything actually happened. And we were really good friends for like six months before it was on. And um and we're still married, you know. So what was your experience with that? Had you dated people um that you had been friends with before? Was this kind of your further down?

[14:49] Ziggy Pollack: So I know I never had, I guess I'd always, you know, met somebody, I had had that initial attraction, and then it like progressed from there and like been friends with somebody and like so it was completely different with with Jordan. It was more on this like personal level where it's like we could I could like joke around with with him in a different way, you know what I mean? It was like so comfortable, um, to where it was like by the time that we liked each other and we're you know, it became progressed to that point, it was just so like easy and comfortable, and it was like literally like being my best friend. So it was a completely different experience from like that the phases you go through in relationship and you know that initial phase where it's just a little like just being a little proper and and scared to like do a certain thing, you know what I mean, like eat messy or whatever it is, like in front of the other person, and it was just like so comfortable, like we just could hang out and it was just came really naturally so totally different.

[15:47] Jordyn Pollack: No, I haven't either had a friend first. No, I on and all other girls that I dated or was with, I just was on we're automatically we're like talking, talking, you know what I mean? Not definitely not like friends first, I guess. I mean like we were friends first, but it didn't it never was meant to just be friends, whereas we were really just friends, like I mean I always had a thing like I always you know and I had a clearly because the first time I saw Ziggy, she didn't even know, so an ex-girlfriend was always like, no no no, you you two are like yeah, it was like when we were roommates, my ex-girlfriend was always like you two are like meant to be together. Like you all have this connection.

I was always like, oh no, that's like my homie, like that's like my that's Jordan's my friend, like we're really close, but like, yeah, I don't think we'll be dating. And I like denied it so hard, like all the time she would tell us like that was pretty funny. She was just like wanted everyone to love everyone. She was like one of those kind of people. Well we finally started publicly dating, she was like, I knew it, I told you.

[16:54] Ziggy Pollack: Let me go with Yeah. So were you both like what were you both doing at the time career-wise? I mean it clearly you were performing Ziggy, but were you really into fitness at that time, Jordan, or were you what what were you doing at the time?

[17:10] Jordyn Pollack: Like when we first when we when I we were living together. Like date, like started moving in and dating and stuff so I was doing I was working at a seafood market. Uh I was just actually I was a seafood monger. Like you know what that is, they like cut seafood, cut fish all day. But I also was doing like the chef prepared like items for the week. So I would like come up with a meal for the week and like it would be on like display because I worked at like a frozen seafood market, like here in Austin. So more in the Yeah, I was doing culinary stuff for like I mean, I went to culinary school. Well, I gradu I went from high school and went to LSU actually in Louisiana. And then I was in St. Marcus at Texas State and then decided to go to culinary school.

And so I went to La Cordon Blue, and from there I was working. I always worked in a kitchen though, like since I was 15, I was always working in restaurants. So I was always in that industry, and I always really liked to cook. Um so culinary school was kind of just one of those things I wanted to, I guess I was like, oh, I can get my degree in like business management and also like get this really cool experience in culinary. Um but yeah, which led me to selling frozen seafood as well. Like I worked for a a company called Fishing Co, which they supplied like Walmart with like almost all their frozen seafood. Um and also like Cisco food services. I don't know, do you guys know what that is? They supplied grant chains and everything with like all their stuff.

So I supplied what I did is I was the I had to sell to like a bunch of different Cisco houses around the United States. And so we got to it was really cool because we got to travel to like a lot of places with that job. It was really cool.

[19:06] Ziggy Pollack: Like we were in basketball. Go ahead.

[19:08] Jordyn Pollack: We we need cook we need cooking lessons. Yeah, can you please um come and help us? I'm like I pretend to cook. I don't know like I cook, but I don't really I can't tell fish apart besides salmon and yeah. Wait, I actually worked at a seafood department when I was a teenager, and people would come and ask for something in the case, and I would be like, if I didn't know what it was, I was like, Can you point to that? 'Cause I have no idea what that's funny.

[19:35] Ziggy Pollack: You're like, don't cheat.

[19:37] Jordyn Pollack: That is great. Yeah. Wow. You're like I didn't know that I didn't know about LSG. So my dad went to LSU and my brother went to LSU and um and then my twin brother went to culinary school in Baton Rouge. So he was a shop for a while too.

[19:51] Ziggy Pollack: Cool.

[19:52] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah. Um yeah, man, that's a brutal that's a brutal industry. You know, those hours are long and Yeah.

[20:01] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[20:01] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, that's why I kind of switched over, I guess, to the selling side of it, which I didn't really like too much either, just because I I was like selling like stuff I didn't really want to sell or I wouldn't actually at some point. So I was like, you know, this is not what I want to do. And that's when I went into like moved to Colorado.

[20:22] Ziggy Pollack: So C V D company if you could sell something US how you started.

[20:28] Jordyn Pollack: Um so not right after that. What I moved to Colorado and I worked for a company called Work. It's like W U R K. And what they did is they were like a payroll HR service, kinda like ADP. I don't know if you're familiar with that. It's like a it's a HR platform, right? That you like sell to companies and it was like that, but what it was is it was specifically for the cannabis industry and so I like sold a software service to the cannabis industry. So like all over the United States, whatever was legal. Um and so I did just more sales. I basically went from selling seafood to just doing more sales, and that kind of fell through because I just had like an altercation with a sales manager that just was not treating me like a man basically, and I had to leave because I like it was just it didn't work out, and so I believe, and that's when I my dad and I were like talking and we're like, all right, like let's start a company, and he started using C V D a lot, and we knew that it could help like so many people, and it could be sold all over the United States because it was like legal, and it's just you know, it's just could help so many people in so many different ways, and that's what we I wanted to do was be able to sell something that I actually was proud of, and so that's kind of how we got into selling C B D.

[21:55] Ziggy Pollack: Wow. What talk about just okay? Well, let's keep focused on the relationship because I want to hear about okay. So you were together for how long before your transition, and what what was that like for you as a couple navigating that getting married? I mean, you were already engaged. So was that were there questions about like should we continue? Like, did you did you hesitate or did you was it just like whatever, man, let's keep going?

[22:24] Jordyn Pollack: I definitely feel like that's what you know. We took our time with our engagement a little bit more too, is just to give time to like process everything and get to a point we wanted to do that, and um and I mean it was like really important like to you to have top surgery and um before honeymoon and things like that. So I mean, there's a lot of a lot of big things in our life at that at that time that was like all in transition at this at the same time that we started physically transitioning. So um, I don't know, I just feel like we took our time and like figured it out and didn't rush anything and when the pieces fell into place they fell into place and no I mean that's a good answer.

[23:10] Ziggy Pollack: Like no but that's definitely true like I wanted once I started transitioning and I definitely wanted to get top surgery before our wedding even just like you know for a suit and all that stuff and I wanted to be like healed from top surgery because I knew we were gonna do like a something outdoors with like all my family so I just wanted to be like I don't know comfortable so yeah weighted and I mean it also gave us time too so I think that was good as well and we also were just like looking for a specific venue which took a really really long time there's things that come up in in wedding planning like while you're transitioning that's like gender roles and outdated things with weddings and traditions and the things that you think that you're expected to do and there's like so many moments where we're like do we have to do this why are we doing this like is is this a thing that we need let's scrap this like why is this a thing like so it was definitely like what yeah tell us like yeah give us an example we did incorporate some traditional like historic standards Jewish so we incorporated some Jewish traditions in our in our ceremony um but we like did a a twist on it where we both broke the glass.

[23:10] Ziggy Pollack: Oh yeah, so that's one thing right there because like the man usually breaks the glass, but we—oh no, is it the man or the—yeah, the male? Yeah, which I don't even know. Yeah, it's the—yeah, it's the man that usually breaks. Are you Jewish too, right?

[23:10] Jordyn Pollack: No, I'm not. Neither of us is Jewish.

[23:10] Ziggy Pollack: You say never mind, but yeah, I'm Jewish. No, but we lived in New York for 22 years, but we also—I feel like a lot of friends who are—you know, we ran into similar things of like not sure what kind of traditions to have in our ceremony as well. And then just finally being like, you know what? We can do whatever we want. Like, why? And you know, there were a lot of things that we did that we wanted to do that were traditional, and I think at one point we even talked about possibly stepping on a glass.

[25:16] Ziggy Pollack: I feel like we had that conversation we did not do it but did you have a hopper and all that stuff too we're not like really really we just do the glass because it's supposed to like I shouldn't know what it's supposed to be like oh your sound wait your sound dropped out say that again I think I just like got lower because I got quiet.

[25:37] Jordyn Pollack: I was out can you hear me?

[25:39] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[25:40] Jordyn Pollack: I know I was I was like saying something but then I got lower because I was like uh I don't really know what it's supposed to I got like I was like uh I got like quiet I'm gonna offend Jewish people yeah um but yeah oh yeah knock being gonna put the pizza uh but so yeah we both broke the glass like that was it's did I don't know I mean Ziggy so like Ziggy doesn't have her father because he passed away when she was younger so she like we didn't do like the traditional like you know well of course the father daughter dance that I you know would have done with my dad like that we didn't do.

[26:18] Ziggy Pollack: That was confusing.

[26:20] Jordyn Pollack: And like we didn't also like I didn't dance with my mom either because like Ziggy, so we just did we just did our dance, you know.

[26:29] Ziggy Pollack: Um and like and her dog, the dog you just met, walked her down the aisle.

[26:34] Jordyn Pollack: And then like when we left, it was so cute if he could just like followed us back. Like she like knew she was supposed to or something. It was just really cute.

[26:42] Ziggy Pollack: But it's interesting with weddings, like when you find out the reasoning but behind why people do a lot of the traditional things, it's kind of like that's very odd and extremely outdated.

[26:54] Jordyn Pollack: Like the father walking you down the aisle used to be to like you know, like give give you away, like as like an object.

[27:02] Ziggy Pollack: So right.

[27:03] Jordyn Pollack: It was like so. I was like, oh I don't like that, like from a feminism point either.

[27:07] Ziggy Pollack: Like Yeah.

[27:09] Jordyn Pollack: And like carrying a bokeh of roses was to like cover up the smell because like you know, you only got like so many baths a year back in the day.

[27:17] Ziggy Pollack: Right.

[27:18] Jordyn Pollack: That's crazy.

[27:19] Ziggy Pollack: I didn't realize that.

[27:21] Jordyn Pollack: Same thing with funerals.

[27:22] Ziggy Pollack: What?

[27:23] Jordyn Pollack: That's wild.

[27:25] Ziggy Pollack: Oh my gosh.

[27:33] Jordyn Pollack: So you're now two years into your marriage.

[27:37] Ziggy Pollack: What is and then you've one year of that, or maybe even a year and a half of that has been this pandemic.

[27:44] Jordyn Pollack: Right. So what is what have you learned about each other during the pandemic that maybe you didn't realize or know about the other person before?

[27:58] Ziggy Pollack: Um I feel like a lot of like Jordan's activities and hobbies are like external and take place outside of the home, or I'm more of like an like introverted as far as a lot of my activities. Like I could sit in rhinestone, like I had craft supplies for like I've hoarded cross supplies my whole life for like this moment for quarantine when I had so much to do. I was in the house like just dragging things out, like I'm just gonna paint, I'm gonna create this.

[28:27] Jordyn Pollack: And Bernard was just like, I need to go like to a gym, like I need to go outside, like going crazy.

[28:35] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[28:36] Jordyn Pollack: I mean we ended up doing a lot of hiking.

[28:39] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[28:40] Jordyn Pollack: I definitely also realized too. I mean, I'm glad I was in Colorado for the first half of it because of that reason. I just really like to be outdoors. I don't know, I feel like I just get I'm so much like my dad where I just can't sit still.

[28:57] Ziggy Pollack: I like can't like if I like wake up at 7 a.m. and I'm like, all right, I gotta get up. I gotta get out, like do something or not out of the house necessarily, but I just I don't know. I'm not the person to just like sit and even when we watch TV sometimes and like standing. It's kind of bad.

[29:16] Jordyn Pollack: I need to learn to just relax a little bit. You know, I can like shut myself in a room and like sew for like 18 hours, so I mean I also think that I mean I've learned that she likes I think she like likes going not out but like getting ready, you know, to like go places and I think that was like really hard, like not being able to do that a lot and just like feeling like maybe not like yourself as much, you know.

[29:46] Ziggy Pollack: So yeah, doing two hours of makeup just to like take pictures and wash it off was always really sad. I was like, I wanna go dance.

[29:55] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, it's like there's nowhere to go. Whereas it's funny because she says, like, I like going out and doing those things where I'm the opposite when it comes to like nighttime events. I'm like, no, like I'm like nine o'clock, or I like time for me to like chill.

[30:11] Ziggy Pollack: That's funny.

[30:13] Jordyn Pollack: So I'll I'll compromise, like, because we don't do it all the time.

[30:17] Ziggy Pollack: So yeah, yeah.

[30:19] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, we're not like late night people either, but we but we worked in the theater, and all of our friends are doing late night shows too.

[30:25] Ziggy Pollack: So you do have to go support um those shows.

[30:29] Jordyn Pollack: And okay, so I want to talk just I I think we'd be remiss to not talk about what's happening um politically in Texas and what you were just marching at at the Capitol for.

[30:42] Ziggy Pollack: Um, because I think there's a lot of confusion around what's happening with um this this idea of banning trans kids from um playing sports, and um as somebody who's like so athletic and um really into fitness. Can you explain maybe to our listeners what exactly they're trying to do, at least in the state of Texas?

[31:07] Jordyn Pollack: I know each state has had the has their own stuff happening. So what from like what I fully understand, so I'm not like 100%, but from what I fully understand from what I was there and what I read is but I think they actually I think the bill actually got like just yeah, I did.

[31:29] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah, there's there's enough progressive people in the Texas Capitol, which is surprising. What they were trying to do was so the the bill there already is a bill out that basically says that if you live in Texas, you have to play on the sport team that mask matches your birth certificate.

[31:49] Jordyn Pollack: Okay. But it doesn't have like a specific date or something. So some kids like have their birth certificates changed already, you know, so those are like and usually those are the kids that are really, really young. Honestly, they're the kids that are like Yeah, like that are like twelve, you know, or maybe like ten even. You know, and so they're really young and they st they didn't even have to take I mean it's you're just so young and haven't even fully developed, and there's like been s facts that have said that like boys don't actually like fully develop till they're like seventeen or eighteen, like certain things.

[32:31] Ziggy Pollack: I s I don't really know the exact facts, so that's why I'm like I don't want to guess it, you know?

[32:36] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah. Um but so it's what I'm saying is though it's like they wanted to change the law to say that it has to be your match your birth certificate from birth. So like so you know what I mean? So it already says Yeah, so it's like it already says that's to be your birth certificate, but some kids can get away with it because their birth certificate has been changed. Whereas some kids like it still hasn't, so they still play on like I met this kid who was like at the event and he's seventeen years old and he's uh or he just turned eighteen, but when I met him he was seventeen a few months ago.

[33:11] Ziggy Pollack: Uh and he played he wrestled in high school, but he like had to wrestle on the girls scene, and he had to like do physicals with the girls, and he had to just I mean, there's so many things that he had to do, and he also like said that he would go to competitions and other teams would forfeit because they didn't want their girls wrestling him, so he just like wouldn't get to even wrestle.

[33:33] Jordyn Pollack: So it was just you know, at that point, it's just like why is that even that's not fair, you know. And he wants to and and it's not like you know, maybe he's not a pro wrestler either, but like so let him just wrestle with the boys. Like, what is what kind of harm is it doing, and what everyone was saying at the like at the march and when I was like actually at the um the the capital for the hearing and all that, like for them to like hear the bill out and like hear everybody's like uh some statements, and like so um basically what I was hearing is that these people were scared that they're gonna take away their kids' scholarships, like they're gonna take away the and they weren't really necessarily as much worried as the trans guys, it seemed horrible playing with guys, it was more so like protecting sports, yeah.

[34:28] Ziggy Pollack: But you know, you have this 10-year-old trans girl sitting in front of them saying, like, I just want to play soccer with the girls, and like she's I feel like there's like moms in that you know, like certain parents that take sports very, very seriously as like a way of you know you mean like as weeds to to go to college, and so I feel like that's like a where that misinformation not really understood things and not really knowing on a personal level is where a lot of that anger is coming from, you know what I mean? Like they're seeing it as like a danger to to all girls, and I feel like in a lot of things when transgender rights come up on the political level, it has to do with some kind of anger from like that. Let's say like the bathroom bill, it's like some sort of anger of like protecting women, but it's like not it's not even about you know what I mean.

[35:16] Jordyn Pollack: And the reality that's so like out of touch with what's going on.

[35:20] Ziggy Pollack: Well, and if you actually look at you know certain facts and percentages, there's really only like two percent, I think, of like every like I don't even next I know it's like two percent of kids get scholarships like every year or something like that.

[35:35] Jordyn Pollack: So it's such a low percentage, no matter what, that it's just ridiculous to not let these kids play.

[35:42] Ziggy Pollack: And the bill is only about kids like kindergarten through twelfth grade, it's not about like college or you know, like NBA, like oh LeBron James wants to like all of a sudden transition to a female and play in the WBA, like of course that's not fair, you know.

[35:58] Jordyn Pollack: I mean, he's like a full grown man, like that's not fair. But when you're uh like a child so young and you haven't even fully developed your I mean anything really, like you know, it's it's just crazy.

[36:14] Ziggy Pollack: But don't we feel like even I mean to me, regardless of the sports aspect, I feel like just people's own fear and anger around not understanding what it means to be transgender, it's just it just creates um like one pathway to continue to discriminate and not understand, right?

[36:36] Jordyn Pollack: It just so it's just another way to put a wall up so that they don't have to be exposed to learning and experiencing, you know, what it means.

[36:46] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah, I feel like a lot of hate comes from just like not knowing or understanding, you know? I mean, I've met people who I know have hated against the community, where I meet them and I'm like, I wonder if they are trans and they just have been hidden their whole life, you know? Or, you know, it's just certain things like that too, where it's like some people maybe who are older, who were scared to come out, and now like they see all these young people who like have this courage, and they just are like so mad that they did it, you know? So I think, I don't know, you know, but I feel like that's a thing. So yeah, I mean, it is changing quickly. I feel like I see more visibility than I've ever seen, and I'm so honored to get to know you and your family. I mean, it's just so beautiful to see. I feel like I've known you for a long time, and I know we've only just met, and I can't wait to hang out more because we really do need to spend more time together.

[37:58] Stephen Hanna: Can you tell our listeners where to follow the two of you so that they can check out your Instagram and support everything you're doing?

[38:10] Ziggy Pollack: I'm at stylelust, that's S-T-Y-L-E-L-U-S-T.

[38:10] Jordyn Pollack: And my Instagram is Jojo Pollack, so it's J-O-J-O-P-O-L-L-A-C-K. And you can also check out Ziggy's Natural.

[38:31] Ziggy Pollack: I agree, yeah, check out Ziggy's Natural.

[38:33] Stephen Hanna: Talk about CBD and like what CBD does for people.

[38:38] Jordyn Pollack: So it's beneficial because everybody has an endocannabinoid system. So we all have CB1 and CB2 receptors like in our body and on our skin everywhere. So that's what the one thing people really don't know and realize is that like we actually are made with receptors for these products, or for the plant, basically, right? And so when we put it inside, it actually helps our central nervous system like relax, it helps us sleep, it helps reduce inflammation, it can help, I mean, so many different things. There's people that tell us it helps with their restless leg syndrome. There's people that tell us it helps with fibromyalgia. There's people that tell us it helps with nausea. Like there's so many different things because we have these receptors, right?

So like compared to when you take something like even an ibuprofen, right? That we don't have something in our body that's like made to break this down and like turn it into good. It's just made to do something, you know, and help us. Whereas we like have the receptors for these other products. So I think that's why it works so great and can do so many different things that we don't even really realize yet. Like, and I actually met this girl the other day who now in college they're studying like cannabinoids and all the different ones, like and what they can do for us and like each specific one, because there's like CBN, CBG, like so there's all different ones that are like some are good to help with appetite, like just different things that they can help do, which is really cool because I'm sure the more and more we get into it, we'll be able to help so many different things with it.

[40:30] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah, well, it's helped me a lot with my plantar fasciitis, which has always been an issue. And I love rolling it on my neck, it feels so good.

[40:39] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, he's been dancing a lot, he uses that roller and it helps him a lot.

[40:43] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[40:44] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, I like, my knee was like pretty in pain the other night. I like hurt it when I was working out, and I used the roller on it, and I mean within like 10 minutes, it just like felt so much better. I mean, it works great.

[40:58] Ziggy Pollack: How quick that works.

[40:59] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, like it works great.

[41:03] Stephen Hanna: Well, check out our show notes to check out Ziggy's Natural and of course use our discount code if you want to check out your first batch. Awesome.

[41:11] Stephen Hanna: Okay. So now we're gonna move on to a segment that we call Spotlight on Love.

[41:20] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[41:22] Stephen Hanna: We have someone write in, and they want to remain anonymous. They want to remain anonymous, and we're gonna have to interpret this a little bit because we didn't give us a lot of details.

[41:37] Jordyn Pollack: So, do you want to read it?

[41:39] Stephen Hanna: Yeah. My brother and I haven't talked in over a year. We have a lot of history, and I wanted to set some boundaries. I want him in my life, but I'm afraid to reach out because of how he will react. What is the best way to reach out to him and still keep healthy boundaries?

[42:00] Jordyn Pollack: I mean, maybe write him a letter. I don't know. I always tell people to write people a letter because you want to say hard things. Yeah, it's just because sometimes when you're writing, like actually writing, it's like you're able to close differently.

[42:19] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah.

[42:19] Jordyn Pollack: And also like when he reads it, it's like not as like, you know, a text message where he can just like text you right back his response either. Like he's gonna have to like read it and probably read it over and over, process it, and really like think about his response. And I don't know, it might actually turn out better than if you would do it some way faster, like a call or text, like even an email, you know? Because he can email him back, but it's like the anxiety of that like quick like having to answer right away, especially like the phone calls when I have like, you know, a bridge of communication that I'm trying to make up that gap. I feel like picking up the phone and calling them is a little bit more anxiety-inducing because then you have to like have that like banter of that back and forth and things can escalate, you know, like especially if there's like past things.

But I think setting boundaries is so, so important and it takes like so much courage to do that for yourself. Congratulations on setting those boundaries, even though it has kind of affected you and your family in a negative way as far as your relationship with your brother. But I think communication is a really big first step. And I think just opening up that door, and kind of like seeing where that year would take you guys, you know? Like who knows where like where their mind is at, where your brother's mind is at, and you never know like what they're thinking or at what point they're ready for the relationship to be at until you take that first step and pull off that band-aid and reach out in some form of communication. I think that's such an important step.

[44:05] Ziggy Pollack: I love that answer. Your answers are so good because mine would just be like, um, yeah, reach out somehow. The writing the letter thing is like generally a good idea.

[44:18] Jordyn Pollack: No one writes letters anymore.

[44:18] Stephen Hanna: I guess my answer would be, sorry.

[44:22] Ziggy Pollack: No, go ahead.

[44:24] Stephen Hanna: I was just gonna say, like, maybe not text, but send a message, either text or calling saying we should meet up, like and talk face to face. That would be like my suggestion is like meet up somewhere where maybe you only have a half hour or an hour and you have to leave, so you have a quick time limit in public, so you have whatever conversation you need to have. Because I think it's so important that you're able to kind of read the person while they're in front of you. And I love what you said too, Ziggy, is like, you know, usually like when you're wrapped up in your own stuff, you create all of these things that could or couldn't happen, or how they are or how they're not, and then when you get what they give you back, usually it's like not as dramatic as usually. I mean, maybe sometimes it can be, like usually most of the time.

[45:24] Ziggy Pollack: Most of the time, yeah.

[45:33] Stephen Hanna: So I think it's important, you know, communication, but communication in a way that you're able to receive what they're saying and they're able to receive what you're saying. And being a bounding right back if needed. You know, that's always important. It's like being able to reestablish those boundaries once that communication has opened is important as well.

[45:54] Jordyn Pollack: Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you really want somebody in your life, then you kind of have to be the person to do the reaching out. You know, and that, that's, you know, and he may not respond back, you know. That's the other thing. Like you never know. So you just have to be willing to like let be okay with whatever outcome comes because I mean, I've recently had an experience with somebody who I considered a brother, and they're going through a divorce, and you know, and that's been really hard because you know, you kind of have to choose one side in a way, which is just not fair, but now we don't talk, man. It's really hard. So I kind of get the grief in the mourning of that and kind of have to let those things happen naturally, I think.

My opinion, because you never know, people change, people evolve, and like time passes and you become a different person. So who knows? Just be gentle with yourself and honor your own boundaries. If it's gonna make you feel unsafe, it's not worth doing.

[46:59] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah. You can like write a letter and put a date on it. Like, meet me here at this time this day.

[47:07] Jordyn Pollack: So put it in a bottle and then throw it.

[47:12] Ziggy Pollack: That was kind of a joke, but would that be cool, and then he just like shows up.

[47:17] Stephen Hanna: All right, first, so these are the boundaries, and you just like basically own the entire situation first with our bicycle apart from you there.

[47:17] Ziggy Pollack: Love that.

[47:17] Stephen Hanna: It's, oh my gosh, we're so happy to have you both on the podcast. Make sure you guys, all our listeners check out the links in the show notes so you can follow them and all their amazing adventures, and I'm sure you will see plenty of content of us with them in the near future. Thank you again for coming on and being guests.

[47:17] Ziggy Pollack: Yeah, thanks for being here. You guys are true inspiration, true example of love and beauty.

[47:17] Jordyn Pollack: Beautiful.

[47:17] Stephen Hanna: Thank you so much for having us. Yes, this was fun.

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