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[0:05] Jess McInall: Hello, I'm Jess McInall.

[0:07] Andrew DeWolf: And I am Andrew DeWolf.

[0:09] Brianna Jones: And I'm Brianna Jones.

[0:10] Jess McInall: And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, a podcast where I try to get Andrew and Bree to like musical theater. How are we doing today, my guys?

[0:16] Andrew DeWolf: Well, you know, I'm doing pretty good.

[0:19] Brianna Jones: I'm doing terrible.

[0:20] Jess McInall: Why?

[0:20] Andrew DeWolf: Why is that, Jess?

[0:22] Jess McInall: My boyfriend left me because he doesn't like the fact that I don't look like Jackie Kennedy and I look more like Marilyn Monroe. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get into fucking Harvard and I'm gonna stalk him.

[0:33] Andrew DeWolf: Man, that's gonna be really easy to do.

[0:35] Brianna Jones: I hear Harvard's an extremely easy school to get into.

[0:38] Jess McInall: What, like it's hard?

[0:40] Andrew DeWolf: You know what you should do is you should send them, uh, you should send them softcore porn and then they'll let you in.

[0:45] Brianna Jones: That's how I got into college.

[0:47] Andrew DeWolf: Me too.

[0:48] Jess McInall: Legally Blonde the musical!

[0:50] Brianna Jones: Oh my god, you guys!

[0:55] Jess McInall: If there ever was a perfect couple, dislike!

[0:59] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god! Guys, I'm scared!

[1:01] Brianna Jones: And Warner for Man 2B.

[1:07] Jess McInall: They're just like a couple from Titanic!

[1:09] Andrew DeWolf: Oh they know and I are two, three, four!

[1:13] Brianna Jones: Daughter of Delta Nu, soon to be fiancé.

[1:17] Jess McInall: Now that a man shows you, your life begins today.

[1:22] Jess McInall: This show really should suck ass. But it doesn't. That's it's weird. It doesn't make sense.

[1:27] Andrew DeWolf: Legally Blonde is a 2007 musical with music and lyrics by Lawrence O'Keefe and Neil Benjamin, and a book by Heather Hach.

[1:36] Jess McInall: The story is based on the novel Legally Blonde by Amanda Brown and the 2001 film of the same name. It tells the story of Elle Woods, a sorority girl who enrolls in hardcore law school to win back her boyfriend Warner. She discovers how her knowledge of the law can help others and successfully defends exercise queen Brooke Windham in a murder trial.

[1:59] Andrew DeWolf: Throughout the show, no one has faith in Elle Woods, but she manages to surprise them when she defies expectations while trying to stay true to herself.

[2:08] Jess McInall: Legally Blonde premiered on the pre-Broadway tryouts in San Francisco, California, in April of 2007. The show moved to Broadway, opening to mixed reviews and disappointing sales.

[2:19] Andrew DeWolf: Jerry Mitchell directed and choreographed. The original cast starred Laura Bell Bundy as Elle, Christian Borle as Emmett, and Richard H. Blake as Warner.

[2:28] Jess McInall: It received seven Tony nominations and ten Drama Desk nominations, but did not win any. The West End production opened in January of 2010 at the Savoy Theatre, and the West End production was nominated for five Laurence Olivier Awards and won three, including Best New Musical Award.

[2:44] Andrew DeWolf: The musical was recorded in September of 2007 and aired on MTV in October of 2007. Following this, a reality television program was aired showing the audition process for the next person to play Elle Woods on Broadway.

[2:57] Jess McInall: The winner was Bailey Hanks, who played the role from July 23rd, 2008 until the production closed on October 19th, 2008. The runner-up, Autumn Herbert, was Hanks' understudy.

[3:08] Andrew DeWolf: So, all that history. Um, Jess, what'd you think of the show?

[3:10] Jess McInall: Um, I was expecting it to be okay, uh, and it met expectations. I'd say it exceeded expectations. I think it's better than okay. I think it's pretty good.

[3:21] Andrew DeWolf: When it's like an actual okay, like, like an actual, like not bad. I kind of enjoyed it in some parts. I kind of didn't enjoy it in some parts, and uh, you know, that's it.

[3:33] Brianna Jones: How does this rank next to Heathers, which is the other musical that these guys have written the music for?

[3:38] Andrew DeWolf: Um, honestly I don't remember a ton of Heathers. Um, I think it was okay, right? That was a decent show, if I remember.

[3:44] Jess McInall: Yeah, it's really good. I remember the only thing you didn't like was that it was not embracing the murdery aspect enough.

[3:52] Andrew DeWolf: Well, yeah, and I can always stand behind that, and I think that this show doesn't have nearly enough murders either, considering Patrick Bateman is one of the main characters. Um, but like, you know, I think that this one is pretty good as well.

[4:06] Jess McInall: I love this musical. I love it a lot more than I expected to. I think my main complaint with it is, um, the music gets kind of samey. Uh, and I think a lot of like rock slash pop musicals fall into that, where it's just like all this music kind of sounds the same.

[4:23] Andrew DeWolf: Um, there's a few standout songs, but not enough.

[4:28] Jess McInall: I disagree, but we'll talk about that later. Um, Bree, did you ever watch the Legally Blonde film when you were in your developing age?

[4:37] Brianna Jones: I think. I feel like I've had to see it, but I don't think it's a bit more. I've never seen it.

[4:41] Jess McInall: So I just saw it like two weeks ago, right before I watched this musical. Um, in fact, watching the movie triggered me to watch the musical. And I avoided it for so long, because Reese Witherspoon looks way too much like Emily Clark, friend of the show. And so every time I was watching her, I'd be like, oh, it's just that's just Emily. That's weird. I don't like this.

[5:00] Brianna Jones: Um, but the movie is fun early 2000s, like romantic comedy fare. Um, and really I think that Reese Witherspoon deserved an Oscar for that performance. I thought she was really good. So that is my take there.

[5:17] Jess McInall: Um, Andrew, what is the plot of Legally Blonde? Please describe it for the court.

[5:22] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Have you ever seen a romantic comedy movie? Uh, let's say I haven't. But really, um, there's a girl who is, you know, everyone thinks she is the typical blonde and she kind of acts as such. Uh, and her boyfriend breaks up with her because she's not quote unquote serious enough, and he goes to Harvard, where we find out later that he's dating a different girl, and I think that's probably why he went to Harvard in the first place.

[5:51] Jess McInall: But um, she decides the best course of action is to follow him there and show that she is serious enough. Uh, and then she turns out that she's actually a good lawyer and she solves a case, and uh really her true love was the friend she met along the way.

[6:11] Andrew DeWolf: So you know what? Fair. Can't fight with that. Um, can I say that Andrew, did you notice that we had Marvin from Falsettos in this musical?

[6:24] Jess McInall: I didn't notice. Who was he?

[6:26] Andrew DeWolf: He, well that, that is the question now, isn't it? This is to set up my joke. Um, he played Emmett, Emmett Forrest, um her boyfriend.

[6:35] Jess McInall: Yes.

[6:36] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, her love interest. But Marvin was also playing Callahan, her teacher, because that is the original Broadway Marvin from the original version.

[6:47] Jess McInall: So we've got two Marvins and too many Marvins, guys.

[6:51] Andrew DeWolf: And this one also commits an assault on a woman. So that, that's fine.

[6:56] Jess McInall: I feel like one Marvin was already too many, but yeah.

[7:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah. Uh, that, that's my joke. There's too many Marvins in the show.

[7:07] Jess McInall: Too many Marvins, guys, we did it. Too many Marvins.

[7:15] Andrew DeWolf: Did any of this like break your suspension of disbelief? Like of how things would actually happen?

[7:21] Jess McInall: I mean, it's, uh, going into it, you know what it is. Like it, there's no way that any of this would ever happen in real life because it just doesn't make any goddamn sense.

[7:32] Andrew DeWolf: What part?

[7:35] Jess McInall: All of it!

[7:36] Andrew DeWolf: No! You have to tell me what doesn't make sense.

[7:39] Jess McInall: Okay, well, let's just start with her getting into Harvard.

[7:42] Andrew DeWolf: Why?

[7:43] Jess McInall: Because she's a woman?

[7:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's exactly why.

[7:45] Jess McInall: No, because she doesn't have any interest in law, knows literally nothing about it, and just shows up and sings a song. She doesn't even write a paper for them.

[7:56] Andrew DeWolf: That is a change from the movie that I agree with. Um, you specifically about.

[8:02] Jess McInall: In the movie she sends in an essay in form of a video.

[8:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, a video essay, which I don't think she'd get into Harvard that way either, but I feel like it's a little more likely actually than showing up in person and singing a song.

[8:15] Jess McInall: Yes.

[8:16] Andrew DeWolf: But it's a musical, and that's like, that's one of those things where you can adjust your fair song. And I'm not complaining.

[8:21] Jess McInall: I'm not complaining at all. You're asking me specifically what is, uh, not believable. Uh, I'm not complaining, I don't care. I think it was fun when she showed up and sang a song. Whatever.

[8:31] Andrew DeWolf: That dance she does when she gets in there is like you can tell how exhausted it was, because after it's done, she's like trying to catch her breath to sing the rest of the song.

[8:43] Jess McInall: I like when, uh, when the other guys start singing with her, like the Harvard guys.

[8:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[8:48] Jess McInall: Well, they don't sing, they start dancing with her. I think it's great. Fun thing, and like that song immediately just charms you into this world. Um, but also this is very smart in the way that it becomes a musical like you have all of her sorority sisters throughout the show as her Greek chorus which I think is a brilliant just musical theater idea and I had a lot of fun with that.

[9:12] Andrew DeWolf: It's also a funny pun because you know Greek chorus and Greek sorority houses. It's funny.

[9:18] Jess McInall: It is really, really good. This is written by very smart people and there's never a moment where you think Elle is dumb. There's a couple moments in the movie where Reese Witherspoon is asked to portray Elle much dumber than she inevitably is here. She's smart from the moment from the get-go.

[9:35] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, she is just, um, she's just a Silicon Valley girl, right? And like that's, that's kind of it basically, like, but she's got a 4.0 legitimately, um, and they're like, yeah, in fashion school, like what the f— like that isn't hard. Yeah, like come on, it's still a 4.0, like you know, shut your mouth.

[9:35] Jess McInall: Yeah, and the thing is a lot of th— one thing that most people don't understand about law school is like Andrew, you have a degree, right?

[9:35] Andrew DeWolf: Sort of.

[9:35] Jess McInall: Bree, you have a degree?

[10:12] Jess McInall: No, you shouldn't. I mean, I've thought about it to be honest. I really do want to research copyright law so that is honestly something I have thought about.

[10:15] Brianna Jones: I have a degree, yes.

[11:04] Jess McInall: I've two. All three of us can go to law school. We just need to have a basic bachelor's degree and it can be in fucking anything and you can go to law school.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: Yep, I should do that.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: Only two years. Lawyers are inherently immoral and you should never be one.

[11:04] Jess McInall: Yeah, I agree with that.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: I can fight that, but also I love fighting with other people. That's basically why we have this show.

[11:04] Jess McInall: Yeah, sure. But it's not the same as being a lawyer. I mean a lawyer, you're not arguing with someone. You're arguing that the system is, uh, agrees with you.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: Which is basically you're trying to find research that follows your precedent.

[11:04] Jess McInall: Yes.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: But it doesn't matter if the precedent is moral or not, it just matters if it's legal.

[11:04] Jess McInall: So basically, fuck lawyers.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[11:02] Jess McInall: Um, Andrew right here.

[11:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, you should be an artist like everyone else.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: Um, fuck lawyers and fuck anyone that wants to be a lawyer. Your dreams are stupid.

[11:06] Jess McInall: Yeah, be an artist, like all three of us. It won't get you anywhere, trust me.

[11:08] Jess McInall: Your dreams suck.

[11:08] Andrew DeWolf: Speaking of which, uh, what do you think of all the weird lawyer characters? Are those in the movie?

[11:12] Jess McInall: Like what do you mean?

[11:13] Andrew DeWolf: The guy that's like, I only want to be a lawyer because I already did everything else and my yachts are getting boring.

[11:19] Jess McInall: Uh, more or less. They they're they're types. Um, the one I find really offensive both in the movie and in this musical is the lesbian character.

[11:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the Greenpeace person.

[11:30] Jess McInall: Where she just wants to fuck all the time.

[11:33] Andrew DeWolf: Is that what she wants in this?

[11:34] Jess McInall: I they never mention that.

[11:35] Andrew DeWolf: Like, isn't she like super horny for like every girl she sees?

[11:39] Jess McInall: I don't remember that in the musical at all.

[11:41] Andrew DeWolf: That might be in the film then. I just remember that rubbing me the wrong way, either way.

[11:45] Jess McInall: In the musical, it's more just that she's like, you know, very liberal girl, feminist power. Which I think is a better way to spin it, but then we get to other homophobic shit later.

[11:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and she oddly isn't against that, so I don't know.

[12:01] Jess McInall: What do the woke people call that? White feminism, yippee.

[12:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. She's a turf.

[12:08] Jess McInall: Probably. I'm willing to bet she's a turf. It's like the two thousands, I'm sure they're all TERFs.

[12:15] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised there were no jokes about transsexuals or like, oh, is that really a man?

[12:22] Jess McInall: They didn't ask the witness what his shoe size was and they proved that he's actually not a man at all.

[12:34] Andrew DeWolf: They go full Ace Ventura.

[12:37] Andrew DeWolf: Instead they prove he's gay, you know, so that's better.

[12:40] Jess McInall: Yeah, that's better, like legally.

[12:42] Andrew DeWolf: Like if you're gay.

[12:44] Jess McInall: Like I love how this musical just forgets that bi people exist.

[12:48] Andrew DeWolf: Well, that's this musical's not the only thing that forgets that bi people exist.

[12:53] Jess McInall: What do you mean?

[12:54] Andrew DeWolf: Like, you know, like the whole fucking world all the time?

[12:57] Jess McInall: Come on, Jess.

[12:57] Andrew DeWolf: We're wake up.

[12:58] Jess McInall: You're not woke enough for me.

[13:00] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe I didn't forget bi people exist.

[13:04] Jess McInall: Are you blaming me for this?

[13:05] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[13:06] Jess McInall: I'm blaming you for this.

[13:07] Andrew DeWolf: Did you write this show?

[13:08] Jess McInall: Fuck.

[13:09] Andrew DeWolf: I did not.

[13:09] Jess McInall: I did not.

[13:12] Andrew DeWolf: I'm just saying you can fuck men and women, and you know, they can exist and it's not legally binding.

[13:18] Jess McInall: But you know who you really can't fuck?

[13:20] Andrew DeWolf: UPS.

[13:21] Jess McInall: You can't fuck UPS.

[13:23] Andrew DeWolf: Isn't it weird that there's a character that's so turned on by a company in this movie?

[13:27] Jess McInall: In this musical, pardon me.

[13:29] Andrew DeWolf: It's also in the movie, but yeah, you cannot fuck the general idea of UPS.

[13:34] Jess McInall: Um actually, uh I disagree.

[13:36] Andrew DeWolf: You can.

[13:36] Jess McInall: Donald Trump's doing it right now.

[13:40] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I've really found it kind of I didn't I did not like that he never takes the UPS suit off.

[13:47] Jess McInall: We never see him in anything other than the UPS clothes.

[13:50] Andrew DeWolf: It's just a really weird kink that she has for no matter what he has to be wearing that.

[13:54] Jess McInall: Well, it's kind of a really weird kink that I have that I don't like blatant fucking advertising.

[14:02] Andrew DeWolf: Man, my kink is not being marketed to.

[14:05] Jess McInall: Gets so hard anytime they like take the rappers off water bottles in movies.

[14:09] Andrew DeWolf: Oh fuck yeah.

[14:11] Jess McInall: Dude, Tommy Y so turns me on so fucking much.

[14:14] Andrew DeWolf: Like when he fucking takes that water bottle and he throws it and it doesn't have a fucking does not have a label on it.

[14:19] Jess McInall: I'm like, fuck yes.

[14:23] Andrew DeWolf: Same with like what what the fuck is the cool cat guy's name?

[14:26] Jess McInall: Like Derek Savage.

[14:28] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Derek Savage.

[14:29] Jess McInall: Ooh, baby.

[14:31] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but like seriously, can we not do the UPS thing?

[14:35] Jess McInall: Like, come on.

[14:36] Andrew DeWolf: Come on.

[14:37] Jess McInall: Um, Andrew, do you think the bend and snap is a thing that would work?

[14:42] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[14:42] Jess McInall: It's not hot.

[14:43] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[14:43] Jess McInall: Uh Brie, do you do you as a woman, are you aware of the Bend and Snap?

[14:49] Bree Jones: Yes, I'm aware of the Bend and Snap.

[14:51] Jess McInall: Has that ever worked on any man ever?

[14:53] Bree Jones: Stupid once.

[14:56] Jess McInall: Anything would work on them though.

[14:58] Bree Jones: You could just walk up and take your shirt off and they'd be like, alright, let's go.

[15:01] Jess McInall: Titters!

[15:05] Andrew DeWolf: I I'm baffled that that is a whole it is basically a musical number in the movie itself.

[15:10] Jess McInall: Like the movie stops so they can be like, bend and snap.

[15:13] Andrew DeWolf: You show off the ass, then the tits.

[15:16] Jess McInall: Yeah.

[15:16] Andrew DeWolf: Then it's not like it's written by a man.

[15:18] Jess McInall: Was it written by a man?

[15:20] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[15:22] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[15:20] Jess McInall: The bend and snap song.

[15:28] Jess McInall: So let's see if the movie was written by a man.

[15:31] Andrew DeWolf: It was definitely directed by a man.

[15:33] Jess McInall: Hey, it looks like it was written by two women.

[15:35] Andrew DeWolf: Good for them.

[15:35] Jess McInall: Um two white women though.

[15:37] Andrew DeWolf: Or no, not if that matters.

[15:40] Jess McInall: I I'm just gonna throw it out there that I think I think uh women sometimes can think weird things are empowering. And I guess maybe they think that that's empowering. I don't know. But my question is Brie, as a woman.

[15:54] Bree Jones: Yeah.

[15:55] Jess McInall: Actually, I'm gonna frame this two different ways. As our go-to woman tokenism on the show yeah Jess is bringing out the fucking lib cuck shit let's go as a woman what's your opinion I I I'm not I'm not doing that but I kind of am as a woman have you ever done the bend and snap to like try to

[15:57] Bree Jones: I've never seen anyone actually do that no I've definitely never done the Ben and Snap um do you have an equivalent to the Ben and Snap?

[16:29] Bree Jones: Do I have an equivalent to the Ben and snap? No I don't think so no I feel like I was afraid to talk to to anything with a penis until I was um 18 so I'm still afraid to talk to anything with a penis I'm not gonna lie any any man I was afraid to talk to Jess my eyes are up here I just can't stop staring at his dick it's surprised no but yeah I was I did not like to talk to boys when I was young um so I was really awkward even until like I don't know 21 so I just didn't know I don't know I didn't know how to be sexy sometimes I still don't know how to be sexy so I feel like the bend and snap yeah no not the bend and snap is the the female the female version of locker room talk so well the next question is if like a fella if a fella if a fella used the if a fella used the bend and snap on you would it work if who used the bend and snap on me if UPS walked up to your door and they were like, bend and snap.

[17:33] Bree Jones: You know, like, what have I gotten? Bend and snap now.

[17:38] Jess McInall: They're like, I'm not gonna give you your package until I bend and snap.

[17:41] Bree Jones: I'd be like, wow, what a nice um dance.

[17:45] Jess McInall: Thank you.

[17:50] Bree Jones: And he says, I've got a huge package for you.

[17:53] Jess McInall: Uh I'm just gonna need you to sign here, and he throws the pen on the ground.

[17:58] Bree Jones: Uh, what do you do?

[18:03] Jess McInall: I signed for the package.

[18:06] Bree Jones: And then I kid my package and I go inside.

[18:12] Jess McInall: What if he's gonna do what if he's gonna do an Irish dance for you?

[18:15] Bree Jones: Like, then what?

[18:18] Jess McInall: I close my eyes really tight.

[18:20] Bree Jones: And wish you're dancing, his arms aren't moving and he's dancing.

[18:24] Jess McInall: Like, what do you do?

[18:27] Bree Jones: Stare at the ground.

[18:29] Jess McInall: I'm not gonna lie, this is made only more hilarious because Brie has a banana shirt.

[18:36] Bree Jones: There's three bananas.

[18:38] Jess McInall: So you need three bend and snaps to get all three bananas.

[18:40] Bree Jones: Bend and snap.

[18:42] Jess McInall: And bend and snap.

[18:46] Bree Jones: Bend and snap and I'll get inside.

[18:50] Jess McInall: That's terrible, Jess.

[18:52] Bree Jones: Okay, that uh we've officially overstayed our welcome on the bend and snap.

[18:58] Jess McInall: Honestly, the bend and snap is so stupid anyways, but it's it's actually a major plot point.

[19:03] Andrew DeWolf: It kinda I mean, what do you think of that entire subplot with the nail salon the girl?

[19:08] Jess McInall: Okay, and why is she doing the bend and snap?

[19:10] Andrew DeWolf: She's trying to get a shot.

[19:11] Jess McInall: She's trying to teach no, she's trying to teach um the nail salon lady how to get a man, and she's like, the best way to try to do it is to do the bend and snap.

[19:22] Andrew DeWolf: It works every time.

[19:23] Jess McInall: And then it becomes a port and plot point later when she discovers that the a man is gay by doing the bend and snap and he doesn't look.

[19:31] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[19:32] Jess McInall: So basically it's a major plot point because homophobia.

[19:36] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[19:38] Jess McInall: So you like the secondary couple of the UPS man and uh the nail salon lady.

[19:43] Andrew DeWolf: I like everything about it except for that he never takes his UPS suit off.

[19:47] Jess McInall: But other than that, I'm I'm okay with it.

[19:49] Andrew DeWolf: Is there anything you actively do not like about the show?

[19:52] Jess McInall: I think the only thing I actively don't like about the show is the um the weird like gay plot and that kind of stuff, which is a bit off putting.

[20:04] Andrew DeWolf: It's strange that's something that's like not even really like m it's barely ten years old.

[20:10] Jess McInall: I'm just like this dated.

[20:13] Andrew DeWolf: The whole time I was just reminded of the ending of Ace Ventura, which I I honestly I often forget about the ending of Ace Ventura, and then I like something like this happens, and I'm like, right, right.

[20:23] Bree Jones: Do you remember the ending of Ace Ventura?

[20:26] Andrew DeWolf: No, I actually don't think I've seen it.

[20:27] Jess McInall: Andrew, please explain to Bree in the audience how Ace Ventura ends.

[20:32] Andrew DeWolf: So Ace Ventura, they solve the crime by figuring out that the entire time this man or no, this woman was actually a man the whole time.

[20:44] Jess McInall: And this woman like serially makes out with everyone, apparently.

[20:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[20:49] Jess McInall: And it's in in the actual ending, I think, is literally they take off the woman's pants, and there's like a crowd of people and they throw up.

[20:59] Andrew DeWolf: Um this is like not even a joke.

[21:01] Jess McInall: This actually happens, I'm pretty sure.

[21:03] Andrew DeWolf: Like everyone is like horrifically disgusted and they throw up, and and that's the end of the movie.

[21:08] Jess McInall: That's how they resolve the plot.

[21:15] Andrew DeWolf: It's so icky, and like that's that's why that the crime is solved.

[21:20] Jess McInall: Good job, Ace Ventura, you did it.

[21:22] Andrew DeWolf: When was that movie made?

[21:24] Jess McInall: 1994.

[21:26] Andrew DeWolf: Jesus.

[21:27] Jess McInall: It's bad.

[21:27] Andrew DeWolf: It's really bad.

[21:28] Jess McInall: Yeah.

[21:29] Andrew DeWolf: Sounds like it.

[21:30] Jess McInall: Nobody talks about it though.

[21:31] Andrew DeWolf: Whenever I hear people talk about Ace Ventura, no one ever talks about the ending.

[21:35] Jess McInall: It's weird that both Ace Ventura movies are hella problematic.

[21:39] Andrew DeWolf: Have you ever seen the second one?

[21:40] Jess McInall: I have seen the second one.

[21:42] Andrew DeWolf: That's the one where there's like black people with no like actual bones through their noses and shit, right?

[21:46] Jess McInall: Yeah, and there's like tribes and shit.

[21:49] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[21:50] Jess McInall: Jim Carrey, what are you up to, man?

[21:52] Andrew DeWolf: What's going on?

[21:54] Jess McInall: Um anti-vaxxing.

[21:56] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but how what is Ace Ventura relate to the gay subplot of this story?

[22:01] Jess McInall: Okay, so they it's not quite the same because this is more of a secondary uh win.

[22:07] Andrew DeWolf: It's not the the final win.

[22:09] Jess McInall: No.

[22:09] Andrew DeWolf: Um but the uh they discredit a witness who is saying that he was uh having an affair.

[22:17] Jess McInall: Yeah, having an affair with the defendant.

[22:19] Andrew DeWolf: Um as motive for murder.

[22:22] Jess McInall: Yes, so they're using that as motive for murder.

[22:24] Andrew DeWolf: And of course, the fucking woman who is the defendant doesn't have an alibi because it would hurt her career if she told them what she was doing, which is so stupid, but whatever.

[22:36] Jess McInall: Um so L so solves this whole scenario by finding the witness, doing the bend in snap, and noticing that he doesn't respond, and then they're like, Well, now we know for certain he's gay, we just have to prove it.

[22:52] Andrew DeWolf: And that's it.

[22:53] Jess McInall: No, because the the main lawyer is like, is he gay or is he European?

[22:58] Andrew DeWolf: And they're like debating like the Venn diagram of things between the gays and the Europeans.

[23:04] Jess McInall: Which is like even worse.

[23:05] Andrew DeWolf: But it it they even lampshade it a bit though because they have the uh the Callahan character like the the head lawyer say like, well, I mean we can't just come out and ask him because that would be homophobic.

[23:17] Jess McInall: But it's like No no no that line was not in the movie.

[23:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah well it's in it's in here so it's like they know and they lampshade it but it's like you're still doing it though.

[23:27] Jess McInall: Like no one even highlights like you know bisexual people exist.

[23:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah it's like what if what if uh he was having affair with and is gay like at the same time.

[23:37] Jess McInall: You know like that that's like is that not a possibility like at all?

[23:41] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, whatever.

[23:43] Jess McInall: Yeah and it's this is like made a big funny joke song.

[23:47] Andrew DeWolf: It's worse in the movie because it's literally just Luke Wilson being like hey what's your boyfriend's name?

[23:53] Jess McInall: Pedro I mean no I don't have a boyfriend I have a best friend and then the guy gets up and like oh you slut and I'm like you didn't run this by your boyfriend beforehand that you were gonna go perjure yourself in court.

[24:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah also why didn't he stand up when he said that he had a girlfriend because he already had said that he was having an affair with the Yeah it's bad.

[24:13] Jess McInall: They should have just come up with a whole new court case.

[24:16] Andrew DeWolf: They should have just not used this scene because they didn't even this isn't even the thing that solves it.

[24:20] Jess McInall: They don't they don't really need this part do they?

[24:22] Andrew DeWolf: No it just it's showing that Elle's using her blonde techniques to her advantage and not her smarts.

[24:28] Jess McInall: Yeah well no and then they really solve it by basically she knows how a perm works, which, yeah, I don't know.

[24:39] Andrew DeWolf: I feel like they're going they went so strong throughout Act One, and then they start the court case and it's like no, don't do this.

[24:47] Jess McInall: What do you think of Emmett?

[24:49] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Emmett Forrest.

[24:50] Jess McInall: El fuck, I just got that.

[24:52] Andrew DeWolf: I'm such a dumbass.

[24:53] Jess McInall: Elle Woods, Emmett Forrest.

[24:55] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck me.

[24:55] Jess McInall: God damn it.

[25:00] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[25:01] Jess McInall: You get it?

[25:02] Andrew DeWolf: You get it?

[25:03] Jess McInall: Yeah, I get it.

[25:03] Andrew DeWolf: Emmett.

[25:04] Jess McInall: I hate it!

[25:05] Andrew DeWolf: Emmett's fine.

[25:06] Jess McInall: I I don't know.

[25:07] Andrew DeWolf: I don't really I'm not a huge fan of his whole like you you wouldn't be poor if you just worked fucking harder shit that he does.

[25:15] Andrew DeWolf: Like I don't know. I mean, working hard can help you get above your station. Like working hard can get you into like places. But the framing idea, the framing is very, uh, neo-lib, you know what I'm saying? Uh, um, I agree there. Uh, it's fine. I think he's fine though. As a character and as a couple, I think that they, you know, it's better than her ending up with fucking Warner. They give him more character in this musical. In fact, a lot of the musical is spent characterizing him.

[25:51] Bree Jones: Yes.

[25:51] Andrew DeWolf: 'Cause in the movie, he's basically a Mary Sue. He shows up, says all the right things, treats her very nicely. Um, I do, I am very glad they sidestep like the second act breakup between them because like, yeah, he's like, "Oh yeah, you have no reason of lying to me about being sexually assaulted. I'm on your side, friend."

[26:09] Jess McInall: Yeah, that happens in the movie.

[26:13] Andrew DeWolf: What the fuck? I didn't, I've not seen the movie still.

[26:16] Bree Jones: He's still very understanding. Once again, Mary Sue. Um, but the girlfriend, um, Warner's girlfriend, who was becoming besties with Elle at this point, they have the breakup.

[26:27] Jess McInall: Oh, okay.

[26:28] Andrew DeWolf: Well, they kinda sidestep that by just having her not like her at all ever.

[26:33] Bree Jones: Right.

[26:33] Andrew DeWolf: Until the moment she likes her.

[26:35] Jess McInall: Yeah.

[26:35] Andrew DeWolf: Where in the movie, they're kind of the main romance relationship. Um, and it's actually really cute because at one point she just comes into Elle's room and she's like spilling the beans on Warner.

[26:46] Bree Jones: He's like, you know, he got waitlisted from Harvard and he had like his dad had to write a letter and shit.

[26:51] Andrew DeWolf: Which really adds to like Elle's improvement. And I wish that that scene had been in the musical in some form. But what who cares what we think? We need to hear what the critics think.

[27:01] Jess McInall: It's time for brief views.

[27:03] Bree Jones: Everyone's favorite segment of our show.

[27:05] Andrew DeWolf: Brace views.

[27:07] Andrew DeWolf: So Ben Brantley reviewed the show, stating this high energy, empty calories, an expensive looking hymn to the glories of girlishness, based on the 2001 film of the same title, approximates the experience of eating a jumbo box of gummy bears in one sitting.

[27:23] Bree Jones: This may be common fare for the show's apparent target audience, female tweens and teenagers who still believe in Barbie.

[27:31] Andrew DeWolf: I did not believe in Barbie as a teenager. This is fucking scary. Is that like a fucking god for them? Like, oh yeah, I believe in Barbie. She's gonna save us from the socioeconomic situation we're in.

[27:43] Bree Jones: But unless you're used to such a diet, you wind up feeling jittery, glazed, and determined to swear off all sweets for at least a month.

[27:52] Andrew DeWolf: That's typically how I feel like that.

[27:58] Bree Jones: That's how I feel after I smoke too much weed.

[28:02] Andrew DeWolf: It's true. Um, okay, so Clive Barnes of the New York Post states Heather Hach's book, based on the screenplay in the original novel, Who Knew by Amanda Brown, makes all the right moves and has a good feel for both fun and wit.

[28:17] Bree Jones: Even though theater necessarily lacks the open-ended possibilities of a movie.

[28:21] Andrew DeWolf: And unfortunately, the score never picks up the slack, although the lyrics by the husband and wife team, Lawrence O'Keefe and Nell Benjamin are markedly sharper than their usual.

[28:33] Bree Jones: Um, Tim Walker wrote in the Sunday Telegraph, it is a great big empty vessel of a show that makes a lot of noise and not much else, and would have been better entitled Irredeemably Bland.

[28:46] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I was aware that the whole of the two hours and twenty-five minutes that it ran, I was sitting among a group of people with vacant smiles on faces that otherwise seemed entirely numbed.

[28:57] Bree Jones: That was how I looked too.

[28:59] Andrew DeWolf: It is the expression that registers when what one is seeing doesn't entirely sync with what is going on in one's brain.

[29:05] Bree Jones: Who the fuck writes shit like Jesus Christ?

[29:08] Andrew DeWolf: This guy needs to loosen his fucking fedora for a second.

[29:10] Bree Jones: Like holy hell.

[29:13] Andrew DeWolf: Notice that free. As we keep doing these brief view segments, um, almost none of the people you're reading from are women.

[29:21] Bree Jones: They're all white gay men, probably.

[29:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I don't know. I kind of think the middle review is the one I kind of agree with.

[29:30] Bree Jones: The New York Post one.

[29:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Um, the other two are like, holy hell, they're just so mean to it for no reason.

[29:39] Bree Jones: They're just some people would say the same thing about us though.

[29:42] Andrew DeWolf: Like, we're mean to shows that we don't like.

[29:44] Bree Jones: True.

[29:45] Andrew DeWolf: True. I don't know if I've ever straight up insulted a show by just saying that tweens like it and tweens still believe in Barbie and blah.

[29:53] Bree Jones: Yeah, that is. But that's part of the course for Ben Brantley.

[29:58] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I think I brought this up briefly when we covered Spider-Man a few, uh, like a year or two ago. Um, but he like Glenn Berger, who was the book writer of Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark, described him as like an evil succubus ripping out any like love that he has of life.

[30:15] Bree Jones: Oh my god.

[30:16] Andrew DeWolf: Ben Brantley is a really mean person and he prides himself on that.

[30:21] Bree Jones: And that makes when he gives good reviews mean even more.

[30:25] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and it's always surprising the ones that he gives like good reviews to, like Spongebob the musical.

[30:31] Bree Jones: Yeah, that's so especially with this, uh, review.

[30:34] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, like you're gonna give SpongeBob a good.

[30:38] Bree Jones: I would say that this is a better structured show than the Spongebob musical is, um, in my opinion, anyways.

[30:44] Andrew DeWolf: I agree.

[30:45] Bree Jones: Um, but that's kind of where I sit, like, I don't believe in reviews in general, like even when it comes to film and stuff.

[30:52] Andrew DeWolf: I like aggregates, but the thing is so much pressure is put onto the New York Times review, one person's opinion on one night of one show, that it can literally kill an entire show in one page of text, and it's bullshit, and I hate it.

[31:06] Bree Jones: And that's kind of why I started the section brief views, so we can kind of be like, fuck you.

[31:11] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck you, New York Times, fuck you, Ben Brantley.

[31:13] Bree Jones: Fuck you, people that are being unfairly like, and this isn't like you said a mean thing about a show I liked.

[31:19] Andrew DeWolf: It's not even that. It's just you coming in from the snobbish attitude, and we're kind of the anti-snob musical theme show.

[31:25] Bree Jones: And even you can even see the snobbery, like right there.

[31:28] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, just talking about who the show's target audience is and using that as a point as to why it's bad.

[31:36] Bree Jones: Like, okay, so the target audience is female tweens and teenagers, and that's for some reason a reason why the show is bad.

[31:45] Andrew DeWolf: It's like, what, are they not allowed to enjoy shows? They're not allowed to be a show that's targeted towards them and they're allowed to enjoy.

[31:52] Bree Jones: Like, like fuck off.

[31:53] Andrew DeWolf: Fucking know another show that had that exact same response and like closed likely because of it.

[31:58] Bree Jones: What?

[31:59] Andrew DeWolf: I know you didn't like the show, but I did.

[32:00] Bree Jones: Be More Chill.

[32:01] Andrew DeWolf: You know, I didn't hate that show though.

[32:03] Bree Jones: And honestly, again, what we are doing here are not reviews and if we don't like a show, that's not us saying that like it shouldn't fucking exist and no one is allowed to enjoy it.

[32:13] Andrew DeWolf: I mean even shows that we are negative on, I don't think we'd even call them bad shows most of the time.

[32:19] Bree Jones: Yeah, I mean I might call a few shows bad shows, uh, naming something like People, Rock You or something like that where it's like on like one hand all the shows that that's like Dear Evan Hansen is probably the only one that's popping to mind that I'm like that's a dangerous show that probably shouldn't exist.

[32:34] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and even that I can kind of see why some people would enjoy it and I don't know if I'd be like this shouldn't exist at all.

[32:36] Bree Jones: I don't know.

[32:43] Andrew DeWolf: I didn't like that show obviously. I don't know.

[32:47] Bree Jones: Reviews are, I don't like reviews as a concept.

[32:50] Andrew DeWolf: And I think that reviews have really been soured for me because I used to kind of buy into reviews and online reviewing was very cringy.

[33:01] Bree Jones: Um, and of course when I was a little kid I didn't know that.

[33:04] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but you're a little baby boy.

[33:06] Bree Jones: Yeah, but now that I'm not a little baby boy I look back on that and I'm like man all those, it was just negativity.

[33:12] Andrew DeWolf: It's just straight up negativity for no fucking reason.

[33:15] Bree Jones: You know?

[33:17] Andrew DeWolf: Like even things that like I still sometimes enjoy, like Red Letter Media or some shit.

[33:21] Bree Jones: It's like, yeah, you hyped onto the like negativity train, and it's a, I would say with kind of hard to watch.

[33:27] Andrew DeWolf: With them, they aren't always so straight up negative for no reason other than just to be negative, though.

[33:34] Bree Jones: Um, and even they, uh, like their better shows play up like yeah, these are bad shows, but we enjoy them kind of thing.

[33:41] Andrew DeWolf: So, but then you've got things that I enjoy and like our friends of the show, and I'm not bad talking them.

[33:48] Bree Jones: Uh, Christy from Musical Hell.

[33:50] Andrew DeWolf: Um, she is great. I love what she does.

[33:51] Bree Jones: Um, but she doesn't just tear things down to tear them down.

[33:55] Andrew DeWolf: Sometimes she is given easy targets and she's like looking for the negatives, but she also tries to give a fair even-headed review of it.

[34:02] Bree Jones: It's not just, oh, you said the name.

[34:06] Andrew DeWolf: Don't say the name.

[34:07] Bree Jones: Cut that out.

[34:07] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck that guy.

[34:08] Bree Jones: Uh, bleep that out.

[34:09] Andrew DeWolf: Can you bleep that?

[34:10] Bree Jones: Yeah, bleep that, just agree.

[34:12] Andrew DeWolf: Actually, bleep that. Only the people on Patreon will know what I really said.

[34:18] Bree Jones: Uh, okay. I think we need to go into a mid-show.

[34:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, we do.

[34:26] Jess McInall: Hey, sorry to interrupt you in the middle of the show, but we got shill at you. Today's show is brought to you by extremely kind donations by our donors over at Patreon.

[34:33] Andrew DeWolf: Um, on Patreon, we have a bunch of stuff.

[34:35] Jess McInall: Um, we have monthly get-togethers where Jess gets way too drunk and then calls everyone stupid.

[34:41] Andrew DeWolf: That happened. I'm sorry still.

[34:43] Jess McInall: Um, we've got a bunch of brand new tiers.

[34:46] Andrew DeWolf: Um, you could even become a guest on the show if you pay enough money.

[34:49] Jess McInall: That, that, that, that's a brand new tier.

[34:51] Andrew DeWolf: Um, or you can have us read whatever you want for another tier.

[34:55] Jess McInall: Um, there's a lot of options here.

[34:56] Andrew DeWolf: Um, also we've got our Patreon-only podcast about Fosse Verdon.

[35:01] Jess McInall: We got a commentary coming up.

[35:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I think it might be up right now of Oliver and Company, which is pretty neat.

[35:07] Jess McInall: Solid movie.

[35:08] Andrew DeWolf: Sort of.

[35:09] Jess McInall: Yeah, and we got a lot more plans in the work.

[35:12] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Andrew, do you want to talk about merch for a brief moment?

[35:14] Bree Jones: Oh, yeah.

[35:15] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, we've got um a merch store now, uh, thanks to uh Jess's hard work.

[35:21] Bree Jones: Uh, and I will be trying to advertise it.

[35:24] Andrew DeWolf: Um, we've got, if you go to our website, yeah, um, there'll be a tab that says merch.

[35:29] Bree Jones: I'll take you right there.

[35:30] Andrew DeWolf: Musicals with cheese.

[35:31] Bree Jones: Musicalcheesewith.com.

[35:32] Andrew DeWolf: Go there.

[35:33] Bree Jones: Um, so we got shirts with a couple different styles.

[35:36] Andrew DeWolf: We got like, what is it? The, we got the logo, we have uh, what cheese are you, we have uh, dear cast boy, uh, which is a good one.

[35:45] Bree Jones: Um, we've got a blanket, we've got tote bags, we got coffee cups, I think.

[35:51] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, we have everything.

[35:53] Bree Jones: Just deck out your whole house with us, because we're great.

[35:59] Andrew DeWolf: Um, our current patrons are that are helping us pay Bree and make this entire thing possible, are Terry Needleman, Max Lunig, Benjamin Larr, Lily Accles, Jess the Stampede, Ewan Cassidy, Haley McDonald, Taskier, Fire September, Mina Maniri, Monica Thoreau, Brent Black, Haley Murray, Allison Wonderwood, B. Way Flix, Lithanial Stacey Coombe, Lunarox 222, Erigale, Drewe White, Carrie Ahern, Christine Malmadell, uh, Mary Louise Choquette, Ann Numily, Cole Birchfield, um, John Van Elles, Holly Stystically, Ross Walker, uh, Musical Hell, Emily Grace, Andrew Van Barson, uh, Emily Stack, Kyle Summers, uh, Mr. B, Janae C, Kyle, Christina Francis, Jessica A, Skyler, Liz Lim, Cole, Corey Wilmarth, Alison Steller, nothing is certain except Beth and Taxes, Rent Cullen, Thesbian with a B, Elizabeth Loving Good, Victoria Tribble, Alex, Joseph Evans Green, Wait in the Wings, Jamie Holland, and Spectacle Machine.

[36:58] Bree Jones: They give us a little extra financial support that helps us keep the lights on here and keep Bree employed.

[37:03] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Bree, um, you're not, you're not homeless at the moment because of them, right?

[37:07] Bree Jones: You are correct.

[37:08] Andrew DeWolf: I have a house to live in because of them.

[37:10] Bree Jones: I can pay my rent, is basically.

[37:13] Andrew DeWolf: You can spade your dog.

[37:14] Bree Jones: I can, that poor dog.

[37:17] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, let's get back to the show.

[37:23] Jess McInall: Oh my god, oh my god, you guys.

[37:27] Bree Jones: Yeah, that's a great opening number, guys.

[37:29] Jess McInall: This dress needs to seal the deal.

[37:31] Bree Jones: Make a grown man kneel.

[37:33] Jess McInall: But it can't come right out and say bride.

[37:36] Bree Jones: Can't look like I'm desperate, or like I'm waiting for it.

[37:40] Jess McInall: I gotta leave Warner his pride.

[37:43] Bree Jones: So pride is more implied.

[37:47] Jess McInall: Here she is!

[37:49] Bree Jones: Oh my god, oh my god, you guys.

[37:52] Bree Jones: All this week I've had butterflies. Every time he looks at me, it's totally proposal. Oh my god, you guys! So mouthly dressed for my fairy tale. Can't wear something. I'm not all. Oh my god, you guys. I mean, it's a little bit too gummy bearish for me. Uh, you know, if you like to eat an entire thing of gummy bears in one sitting, maybe you'll enjoy this song, but honestly, I could do something a little more serious.

[38:25] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, Warner. Beta cuck. A handful of almonds. I am not the beta, I'm a Chad Alpha. I think the song is so much fun and a great opening number. No, it's fun. Uh yeah. I like that I like it. I like that they bring it back a few times. Uh it's fun. It's like a good theme. I'm glad they didn't like call it something uber dated or like OMG you guys, like 'cause that was gonna get dated like super quick. It's a little dated anyways, but it's fine. I mean, I like the fact that it kind of builds up Elle a bit and it serves as her I want song for like I just want to get engaged, I want this, and it shows very quickly, like, yeah, she's blonde, yeah, she's all about fashion, but she's not dumb. She's like won't be scammed, and like she is obviously the most smartest and put together of all of her friends.

[39:29] Bree Jones: Yes. And she knows a good deal at the store, you know, that's important.

[39:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and that's a good setup for like what we're gonna see her adventure go through. Um I also really want to talk about the performance of Laura Bell Bundy, who really made this her own. Like she is not doing a Reese Witherspoon impression at all. She is much more goofy in a way.

[39:48] Bree Jones: Goofy without being dumb. Like, I wanna say it's a lot like Brie, where Brie is a goofball, but she's like one of the smartest people I've ever met.

[39:58] Bree Jones: Um That's very nice of you. You know, I had a prediction early on, because I watched this with my girlfriend in. I she liked it. Uh she thought it was pretty good. Um, but I had a prediction early on that she was gonna solve the case at the end using her knowledge of fashion.

[40:16] Andrew DeWolf: Um and I really fucking wish they had done that.

[40:21] Bree Jones: They kinda did.

[40:22] Andrew DeWolf: Uh they didn't though. They used her knowledge of seducing men, which wasn't brought up early on, really.

[40:30] Bree Jones: It was more they used the perm thing.

[40:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I guess. You never take a shower after you get a perm, Andrew.

[40:37] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck. I mean, I you know, I've never gotten a perm, and I don't know anything about fashion, and I could have guessed that.

[40:44] Bree Jones: But you didn't! And neither did any of the detectives or the judges or the jury.

[40:55] Andrew DeWolf: Let's talk about serious.

[40:56] Bree Jones: Since I was two or three.

[41:03] Andrew DeWolf: And then win my Senate seat. A big white house Becky's. All of the amenities. Three kids at least just like the Kennedys. Here's where our lives begin. Just where do you fit in? I'll break it down now, baby.

[41:21] Bree Jones: So maybe can't be your head. I've got some dreams to make true. I know that you understand. Time to get serious.

[41:56] Andrew DeWolf: Should break up.

[42:00] Bree Jones: I actually really liked this song. I thought this was one of the better songs.

[42:04] Andrew DeWolf: F fucking what?

[42:05] Bree Jones: Yeah.

[42:05] Andrew DeWolf: Excuse me.

[42:07] Bree Jones: I really enjoyed it. They like the build up to what you kind of know is coming, but he's doing it in such a fucking backhanded way. I thought it was really funny.

[42:18] Andrew DeWolf: Uh and then it just he drops the thing and she keeps going.

[42:24] Bree Jones: I guess that is like a perfect Andrew Dr. DeWolf um, you know, musical joke.

[42:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's funny. He builds up and then like he's singing, and what he says like when he just says we should break up, it doesn't even like go with the melody or rhyme or anything.

[42:41] Bree Jones: It's just like the song is building to something else, and he's just like, we should break up.

[42:45] Andrew DeWolf: It's building to an engagement.

[42:47] Bree Jones: So it looks better if you haven't seen the movie.

[42:51] Andrew DeWolf: Like, which I had not you know. Uh I had not seen the movie, so I think it's great. I thought that was really funny. I like it.

[42:58] Bree Jones: Um I just I guess I don't like it because it's just a painful to listen to song, 'cause it is kind of like the office style cringe.

[43:06] Andrew DeWolf: I guess. I don't know.

[43:07] Bree Jones: I think it's still funny.

[43:09] Andrew DeWolf: Because I just legitimately feel bad for Elle.

[43:11] Bree Jones: But you really shouldn't though, because I mean Warner's an asshole, and you shouldn't feel bad for her for not getting to be with him.

[43:18] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, if he had engaged her, it would have been much a much worse scenario for her.

[43:24] Bree Jones: Yeah, I I get it. I agree with you. I don't think it should be the second song of the show though.

[43:30] Andrew DeWolf: Um, yeah, the placement maybe not. I do like the song though. I think that's mostly why it throws me off.

[43:36] Bree Jones: Like, even if you just put like daughter of Delta Nu just so we have like a little break, because it goes right from oh my god, you guys right into this.

[43:42] Andrew DeWolf: Like they're like when that song ends, we're already in the restaurant where he breaks up with her.

[43:46] Bree Jones: Yeah, but you have to set up that you have to set up what she wants, and it's to get engaged with this guy, and then you have to set up that to get engaged with this guy, she has to do all this weird shit.

[43:57] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, but I also think y I kind of need to spend a little more time with Elle alone, if that makes sense, before we get to this scene.

[44:05] Bree Jones: And I think that's mostly the reason why this scene feels weird to me.

[44:09] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[44:09] Bree Jones: I thought it was a funny song though.

[44:11] Andrew DeWolf: It is a funny song. I'm not disagreeing with a single word you're saying.

[44:15] Bree Jones: Um, just make that clear.

[44:17] Andrew DeWolf: What you want?

[44:20] Bree Jones: What you want, Warner, what you want is me.

[44:24] Andrew DeWolf: But you need to see me in a brand new domain.

[44:27] Bree Jones: Well, it's plain.

[44:29] Andrew DeWolf: Warner in a different setting.

[44:31] Bree Jones: You will see you're getting all of the brain.

[44:35] Andrew DeWolf: I'll meet you there in Harvard with a book in my hand.

[44:38] Bree Jones: Fix dirty book, big wordy book, full of words I'll understand and write.

[44:46] Andrew DeWolf: Warner watchable is right in front of you.

[44:48] Bree Jones: What you want is clear.

[44:50] Andrew DeWolf: What you want right clear.

[44:52] Bree Jones: What you want is right in front of you.

[44:55] Andrew DeWolf: What you want is clear.

[44:57] Bree Jones: What you want high is right in front of you.

[45:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, this song is fun, and it's like 10-20 minutes long, it's like so long, and I love every second of it, and it just keeps building and building until it's like a cacophony of people dancing and flipping all around, and every time it's like building to like her saying she's doing this for love.

[45:21] Bree Jones: Yeah, and and then everybody dances, and then she gets into Harvard, and you know what, it's all good.

[45:28] Andrew DeWolf: But it also shows that she put the work into it.

[45:30] Bree Jones: Like she passed the LSAT.

[45:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, by one point.

[45:34] Bree Jones: They did say that it was by one point, though.

[45:36] Andrew DeWolf: Well, that one point is like next to like perfection, like, basically.

[45:40] Bree Jones: She's did good.

[45:42] Andrew DeWolf: Like, that's Harvard standards.

[45:44] Bree Jones: Like, like just passing the LSAT is much lower.

[45:46] Andrew DeWolf: She did really good. Good shit.

[45:48] Bree Jones: She did.

[45:49] Andrew DeWolf: And I think that she, like, if she didn't the problem I mostly have with Elle Woods as a character is I don't think she has any passion for doing law.

[45:57] Bree Jones: Even after she like wins the case and shit.

[45:59] Andrew DeWolf: I still don't think that's really what her passion is.

[46:02] Bree Jones: They try to s they try to like spin it that she does because oh, she realizes that law is just helping people.

[46:07] Andrew DeWolf: But it's like, didn't you listen to the Blood in the Water song?

[46:10] Bree Jones: Like, that's not what law is.

[46:12] Andrew DeWolf: That's a perfect transition, Andrew.

[46:15] Bree Jones: Now, when you choose a law career, the moment you embark, there is that joke you're bound to hear.

[46:20] Andrew DeWolf: A lawyer is a shark.

[46:22] Bree Jones: Ignore that, it's simplistic and it's dumb. Only some of you will turn out sharks, just some.

[46:29] Andrew DeWolf: The rest are chum.

[46:34] Bree Jones: Our topic is blood in the water.

[46:39] Andrew DeWolf: Kids, it's time you faced law school is a waste.

[46:46] Bree Jones: Oh yes, unless you acquire a taste for blood in the water.

[46:54] Andrew DeWolf: Dark and red and raw.

[46:57] Bree Jones: You're nothing until the thrill of a kill becomes your only law.

[47:03] Andrew DeWolf: I love this song.

[47:04] Bree Jones: I love the song a lot.

[47:05] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, yeah, this is the best moment that Callahan has in the whole show.

[47:08] Bree Jones: Um and it's I think it's actually a very good song, and it really makes you hate lawyers, which is good with me.

[47:16] Andrew DeWolf: It's the most like classical musical theater here.

[47:19] Bree Jones: This is like the least poppy song in here, and it's very lyrically based.

[47:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[47:23] Bree Jones: I think they kind of build into it with the Harvard variations where they kind of do a little bit of a less poppy melody in that.

[47:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, and I like that song too, but that feels more like a dirge.

[47:35] Bree Jones: Yeah, but then they follow into it with this and keep the uh this is like, oh, this is what Harvard is really like versus Elle's like ridiculous uh eating too many gummy bears in one sitting uh pop, you know.

[47:49] Andrew DeWolf: But Blood in the Water is possibly the most lyrically genius of all the songs.

[47:54] Bree Jones: Like this is where it's like I'm laughing because of the change in rhyme and all that.

[47:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[47:59] Bree Jones: Um, do you feel like I I feel like he seems comically evil where he is just kind of like a normal teacher guy in the movie, and that's like my big downfall here, because it really is shocking when he does try to do the sexual assault in the movie because he seems like just a nice guy that's a lawyer.

[48:15] Andrew DeWolf: To be honest, I'm gonna say I still think it was kind of shocking when he did the sexual assault thing for someone who has not seen the movie.

[48:22] Bree Jones: Um I didn't really see it coming.

[48:24] Andrew DeWolf: Um because genuinely I think that how they're trying to portray him here is just as a lawyer who doesn't care about anything but fucking being a lawyer.

[48:33] Bree Jones: And I think that that fits here.

[48:37] Andrew DeWolf: It's not like he's comically evil in this song in like I'm gonna fucking molest my students kind of way.

[48:42] Bree Jones: He's just he's just a lawyer.

[48:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[48:48] Bree Jones: And it sounds like a pure villain song in the same way as a Disney villain song.

[48:53] Andrew DeWolf: Like it feels Disney villain-esque.

[48:56] Bree Jones: Yeah.

[48:56] Andrew DeWolf: And if anything, I thought he was going to I thought he was gonna be more of a villain in that he's not gonna let Elle win the case because he's not gonna get money out of it or something like that, you know?

[49:06] Bree Jones: Yeah, that makes more sense instead of he's an evil rapist.

[49:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[49:10] Bree Jones: But I think he liked her for her a lot.

[49:12] Andrew DeWolf: It's not like I don't buy that he'd be an evil rapist.

[49:16] Bree Jones: Yeah, I mean I didn't buy it in the movie only because he was played by Victor Garber, who is like one of the most nicest men in the world.

[49:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but here it's Marvin, and it's like, okay, whatever.

[49:26] Bree Jones: Marvin, who openly like beat his two lovers in falsettos.

[49:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, so I mean I buy it.

[49:32] Bree Jones: Um we talk about Ireland.

[49:36] Andrew DeWolf: I guess if you really want to.

[49:38] Bree Jones: Isn't that relaxing?

[49:41] Andrew DeWolf: It's called Celtic Moon!

[49:47] Bree Jones: When I'm lonely or feeling dejected. I played this, and it never fails. I pretend like I'm in Ireland with Enya and the whales.

[50:07] Andrew DeWolf: When my telephone gets disconnected, or I spend every night alone.

[50:15] Bree Jones: I pretend like I'm in Ireland with the Irish bagpipes drawing I just wanna I just want to say that this song makes no fucking sense at all.

[50:29] Andrew DeWolf: I don't disagree.

[50:31] Jess McInall: Like, what the fuck? It's just like a song, it's charming. It's just a song about how this woman likes fucking Celtic music, I guess.

[50:40] Andrew DeWolf: Don't you?

[50:41] Jess McInall: I kinda do. I think they talk about Celtic women, and I'm like, I gotta kinda listen to them.

[50:45] Andrew DeWolf: I think they just wanted to do like at least one, you know, pastiche song that wasn't like, you know, pop gummy bear.

[50:55] Jess McInall: Yeah.

[50:57] Andrew DeWolf: But I don't know. It's just weird, it doesn't make a ton of sense. Um but I guess we get the clock dancing later on so it's all good.

[51:07] Jess McInall: What do they call it?

[51:08] Andrew DeWolf: River dancing, pardon me.

[51:09] Jess McInall: Yes, river dancing. Um let's talk about "So Much Better," the act one closer.

[51:14] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe she's what you prefer but hey last year I was her maybe you will change your mind but you might look up to find I've gone on to a better thing better job through a bigger ring.

[51:23] Jess McInall: I don't have the time to cry I'm doing the eleven on a cool I'm on it.

[51:31] Andrew DeWolf: Who else can I tell? Where's my cell mama Hey mom in my name in my students I do so much better I'll be there on Monday not come and we will see who I'm so long I can't wait I will be there with eight when they home up the goo oh what do you have to say?

[52:01] Bree Jones: This is the best song in the show.

[52:03] Andrew DeWolf: You think so?

[52:04] Bree Jones: Yes, easily better than "Oh My God, Oh My God, You Guys." That's a great opening number but yeah "So Much Better" is so much better.

[52:11] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[52:12] Bree Jones: Yeah I think this is a fine song. I think it's a fun way to end act one, you know and it's good to have that nice big number for the ending of act one too but I like when they do that.

[52:23] Andrew DeWolf: Let's say story wise it makes sense because and it's interesting and different than how most act ones end because most act ones end with like a huge conflict getting in the way, and it's usually on a very low note, like something bad happened, and we were gonna have to see what like what happens in act two.

[52:40] Jess McInall: You're gonna want to come back and see what happens.

[52:42] Andrew DeWolf: Here it's like an ultimate high, like she gets to be on this big case, and she's so excited about it, and you very rarely see someone like excited the character's excited for what's gonna happen in act two just as much as you are, because you wanna see this character succeed.

[52:58] Bree Jones: And that's just something I've I you don't see very often in musicals.

[53:01] Andrew DeWolf: Like, have you do can you recall time?

[53:04] Bree Jones: I mean, look at "Parade," like that ends with him being like losing his court case and being sentenced to death.

[53:08] Andrew DeWolf: That's act one.

[53:09] Bree Jones: Yeah, but the act two closer in "Parade" is a lot worse.

[53:13] Andrew DeWolf: Than the KKK starts up after he gets hung by the neck in a lynching.

[53:19] Bree Jones: "Parade" is a hilarious comedy, by the way.

[53:21] Andrew DeWolf: It is, it's a very funny comedy.

[53:23] Bree Jones: Written by the only member of the Jason Robert Brown fan club, Jason Robert Brown.

[53:29] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, and also the funniest man alive.

[53:31] Bree Jones: Reincarnation of both Abbott and Costello.

[53:35] Andrew DeWolf: Hilarious.

[53:36] Bree Jones: Um, and his opinion on WAP um by May uh Cardi B.

[53:41] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, wet other people, is that the one?

[53:44] Bree Jones: Yes, yes, as Ben Shapiro calls it, who is the second funniest man alive.

[53:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[53:49] Bree Jones: Can we get those two in the same room together and just have them?

[53:52] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck yes, yes, please get Ben Shapiro and Jason Robert Brown in the same room.

[53:57] Bree Jones: And just I just want to hear them talk about uh wet ass P word.

[54:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, um in fact, Twitter at them right now and say that y'all or they can talk about their Jewish heritage.

[54:09] Bree Jones: I mean that would be funny as well, right?

[54:10] Andrew DeWolf: No, not funny, that wouldn't be funny.

[54:12] Bree Jones: I guess we gotta talk about um "There Right There," which is the gay or Puerto Rican song.

[54:18] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah.

[54:19] Bree Jones: Or European.

[54:20] Andrew DeWolf: Not okay, by the way.

[54:21] Bree Jones: No, not okay.

[54:22] Andrew DeWolf: Like the opposite of okay.

[54:24] Bree Jones: Gay or not paying it's hard to guarantee is he gay or European.

[54:32] Andrew DeWolf: Well, hey, don't look at me.

[54:33] Bree Jones: You see, they bring their boys up different in those charming foreign ports.

[54:37] Andrew DeWolf: They play peculiar sports in shiny shirts and tiny shorts.

[54:43] Bree Jones: The answer could take weeks.

[54:45] Andrew DeWolf: They both sing things like Jal Belloma.

[54:49] Bree Jones: Oh please, gay or European.

[54:51] Andrew DeWolf: So many shades of gray.

[54:53] Bree Jones: Depending on the time of day, the French go either way.

[54:57] Andrew DeWolf: It's kinda interesting that that's the title of it.

[55:00] Bree Jones: I am that Wicked.

[55:02] Andrew DeWolf: I thought it'd be called gay not or European or something.

[55:05] Bree Jones: Well, the thing is they don't want to ruin the joke in the title of the song.

[55:07] Andrew DeWolf: Um that's why the song from Wicked um that should be called Loathing is called What Is This Feeling, so they don't ruin the joke of it being loathing.

[55:18] Bree Jones: So that's a commonplace thing in musical theater titles where they all hide the actual chorus name and call it something else.

[55:24] Andrew DeWolf: To get the joke across.

[55:26] Bree Jones: Yes, so that you're still laughing at the joke even if you listen to the cast recording names.

[55:31] Andrew DeWolf: I wasn't laughing at the joke though, is the problem.

[55:33] Bree Jones: Yeah, yeah, I mean this song.

[55:35] Andrew DeWolf: It's not that funny.

[55:35] Bree Jones: Just saying that he's either gay or European isn't a joke.

[55:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[55:39] Bree Jones: Stop right there in the name of the law.

[55:42] Andrew DeWolf: You've broken all comedy rules.

[55:48] Bree Jones: It's sad that we're ending on such a bummer note.

[55:51] Andrew DeWolf: Um, you you had something to say about Legally Blonde.

[55:54] Bree Jones: It's it's no a downer.

[55:56] Andrew DeWolf: It's a downer song, but it's good.

[55:59] Bree Jones: It suits its purpose.

[56:00] Andrew DeWolf: Let's not end on gay or European.

[56:02] Bree Jones: Yeah.

[56:02] Andrew DeWolf: We could talk about "Oh My God, You Guys" remix.

[56:05] Bree Jones: I don't know why it's titled a remix here and not uh, you know, what do they call those?

[56:10] Andrew DeWolf: Jess, what is your overall thoughts on Legally Blonde and your cheese rating?

[56:15] Bree Jones: Oh my god.

[56:16] Andrew DeWolf: Um I think that it's good.

[56:22] Bree Jones: I think that it's it's a fun watch.

[56:25] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, you know, just empty your mind and let it wash over you.

[56:30] Bree Jones: Remember, remember uh your early 2000s self, who would have thought that gay people are funny.

[56:36] Andrew DeWolf: Just remember that, you know?

[56:38] Bree Jones: Just because they exist as gay people.

[56:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, remember when in middle school when you would say the word gay and then start laughing?

[56:44] Bree Jones: Just remember that when it comes when the time comes.

[56:47] Andrew DeWolf: And the rest of it you can just laugh because it's funny.

[56:51] Bree Jones: Uh and you know what? My recommendation for it would be to eat a lot of gummy bears.

[56:56] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, because that's the only way you'll enjoy it unless you're a weird female tween or teenager.

[57:02] Bree Jones: Otherwise, it's a little bit too off the wall and not enjoyable.

[57:07] Andrew DeWolf: That actually sounds like a Ben Shapiro podcast.

[57:11] Bree Jones: Yeah, you might enjoy this if you're one of the people that might enjoy something like WAP, but if you're actually a real true musician who actually enjoys music theory and has a father who taught him how to play violin, then you're not gonna enjoy this at all.

[57:23] Andrew DeWolf: So actually, I would say, uh, hypothetically, we should just throw this out and get rid of it because it's not a good show.

[57:29] Bree Jones: None of the music is funny, nothing is good.

[57:31] Andrew DeWolf: That's my Shapiro. That's what I've got.

[57:33] Bree Jones: That's actually a really good Shapiro to say.

[57:37] Andrew DeWolf: I give you a 10 out of 10 there.

[57:40] Bree Jones: Holy shit.

[57:42] Andrew DeWolf: We need to have Ben Shapiro review all of our music.

[57:46] Bree Jones: Once again, at Jason Robert Brown and Ben Shapiro.

[57:50] Andrew DeWolf: Because apparently Ben Shapiro's never made a woman wet.

[57:54] Bree Jones: Um he says it's biologically impossible for a woman to be wet.

[57:58] Andrew DeWolf: I checked, I checked, and my wife is dry all the time.

[58:00] Bree Jones: 24-7.

[58:02] Andrew DeWolf: I whip out my penis and she's just like the desert.

[58:05] Bree Jones: Ah, perfectly.

[58:06] Andrew DeWolf: I think these women say I like it.

[58:09] Bree Jones: I think these women with wet ass pussies need to go see a doctor.

[58:13] Andrew DeWolf: Because that is not healthy.

[58:14] Bree Jones: Wet wet ass P words.

[58:17] Andrew DeWolf: We got three Ben Shapiro's here.

[58:18] Bree Jones: Alright, Bree.

[58:19] Andrew DeWolf: Wait, I didn't give a cheese rating.

[58:21] Bree Jones: Oh.

[58:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, give a cheese rating and then Jess, your turn.

[58:26] Bree Jones: Um, I don't know. I'm looking up cheese that's related here, but I've got uh You're all failures.

[58:33] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, how about Blonde uh cheesecake?

[58:36] Bree Jones: Apparently that's a thing, so I'm going with it.

[58:38] Andrew DeWolf: A plus.

[58:39] Bree Jones: A plus.

[58:40] Jess McInall: Juliet, um, our keeper of the cheese.

[58:42] Bree Jones: Um, please shame Andrew and Bree for not coming up with cheese ratings um in the spreadsheet.

[58:47] Andrew DeWolf: No, I have I have to something.

[58:49] Bree Jones: Alright, what do we got?

[58:50] Andrew DeWolf: How do you think our discussion was?

[58:52] Bree Jones: Oh, um, it was good.

[58:54] Bree Jones: I liked it.

[58:54] Andrew DeWolf: Um I think you made fun of some people a lot.

[58:58] Bree Jones: It was great.

[58:59] Andrew DeWolf: What?

[59:00] Bree Jones: I don't know.

[59:01] Andrew DeWolf: What did we make fun of?

[59:02] Bree Jones: We didn't make fun of it.

[59:03] Andrew DeWolf: Were we cyberbullying people?

[59:03] Bree Jones: Ben Shapiro.

[59:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, we're making fun.

[59:06] Bree Jones: Well, you're very mean to a lot of people.

[59:08] Andrew DeWolf: You said you didn't like a lot of people this time around.

[59:10] Bree Jones: You're like, I hate critics, and I hate that guy that says it doesn't make his um wife's pee-pee.

[59:18] Andrew DeWolf: Do you think Ben Shapiro's wife won't piss on him?

[59:21] Bree Jones: Look, as Ben Shapiro himself, uh Ben Shapiro cannot be cyberbullied because Ben Shapiro is the ultimate cyberbully.

[59:28] Andrew DeWolf: So really, I'm not being cyberbullied right now.

[59:30] Bree Jones: I'm actually cyber bullying.

[59:31] Andrew DeWolf: I want a woman.

[59:32] Bree Jones: I want a woman in the heat of the sexual encounter.

[59:35] Andrew DeWolf: So you'll make my pee-pee wet.

[59:41] Bree Jones: I was trying to censor it.

[59:43] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[59:44] Bree Jones: Um, I am choosing a pink prosecco cheese.

[59:49] Andrew DeWolf: That's actually a really good pink cheese.

[59:51] Bree Jones: That's good.

[59:52] Andrew DeWolf: It's good.

[59:53] Bree Jones: And because, you know, pink, legally blonde.

[59:56] Andrew DeWolf: Cheese.

[59:56] Bree Jones: Mash them together, you get pink cheese.

[1:00:00] Andrew DeWolf: Legally blonde pink cheese.

[1:00:01] Bree Jones: I got it.

[1:00:01] Andrew DeWolf: It's beautiful.

[1:00:02] Bree Jones: Much better than mine, not gonna lie.

[1:00:02] Andrew DeWolf: Better than Andrew's, too.

[1:00:03] Bree Jones: Yeah, Andrew.

[1:00:04] Andrew DeWolf: Step up your fucking game, dude.

[1:00:06] Bree Jones: This isn't a fucking joke to us.

[1:00:08] Andrew DeWolf: You're a joke.

[1:00:09] Bree Jones: Yeah.

[1:00:09] Andrew DeWolf: Just ask the patrons.

[1:00:11] Bree Jones: They know that.

[1:00:12] Jess McInall: Um, I love Legally Blonde.

[1:00:15] Bree Jones: It's a great show that I didn't expect to like as much as I did.

[1:00:18] Jess McInall: I am very happy to add it to like my uh playlist of shit I listened to on my bike ride.

[1:00:23] Bree Jones: It's a great, great, great energy rising show that makes me feel like I ate a lot of gummy bears, but in the way that my heart starts racing and I can't feel my arm, you know.

[1:00:31] Jess McInall: That that kind of really nice feeling that you feel every now and then.

[1:00:34] Bree Jones: Um, but I am giving this um a mental defrance bloc um with 28% flat fat cheese um from El and Vire Professional Cheeses because El Woods.

[1:00:46] Andrew DeWolf: That's that's a good one.

[1:00:48] Bree Jones: Yeah, Andrew.

[1:00:50] Andrew DeWolf: Shut up, Jess.

[1:00:51] Bree Jones: Andrew is checked out.

[1:00:53] Andrew DeWolf: He's probably had a very long day and isn't really into it.

[1:00:56] Bree Jones: When you turn into Ben Shapiro, you just immediately fucking just knowing that you're Ben Shapiro and you've never satisfied a woman, like that must really suck.

[1:01:07] Andrew DeWolf: It hurts.

[1:01:07] Bree Jones: It's bad, you know?

[1:01:08] Andrew DeWolf: It's like, man.

[1:01:09] Bree Jones: All I've got going for me is uh tons of money from the Koch brothers and really nothing else.

[1:01:15] Andrew DeWolf: That's it.

[1:01:16] Bree Jones: Do you know who Ben Shapiro's cousin is?

[1:01:18] Andrew DeWolf: I don't.

[1:01:18] Bree Jones: Mara Wilson is Ben Shapiro's cousin, and they have each other blocked on Twitter.

[1:01:22] Andrew DeWolf: That's hilarious.

[1:01:23] Bree Jones: That is fucking great.

[1:01:25] Andrew DeWolf: Um, you know who else is fucking great?

[1:01:27] Bree Jones: Not Ben Shapiro.

[1:01:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, definitely not Ben Shapiro, but our wonderful patrons.

[1:01:31] Bree Jones: Thank you guys for listening.

[1:01:32] Andrew DeWolf: Please follow us on iTunes Spotify Stitcher at Musicals with Cheese, if you could right now.

[1:01:36] Bree Jones: You you probably have your phone in your hand.

[1:01:38] Andrew DeWolf: Leave us a very nice review on iTunes.

[1:01:47] Bree Jones: And they're gonna kick us off the fucking Broadway podcast network if we don't bring up our fucking numbers.

[1:01:52] Andrew DeWolf: So that's not true.

[1:01:53] Bree Jones: So please, please, please get your shit together.

[1:01:56] Andrew DeWolf: Um we're on Twitter at Cheesy Musicals.

[1:01:58] Bree Jones: Our Patreon is Musicals with Cheese, our Instagram is Musicals with Cheese, our YouTube page is Musicals with Cheese.

[1:02:03] Andrew DeWolf: We have a patron only podcast, Fossey Verden.

[1:02:05] Bree Jones: Um, I think that should be wrapping up soon.

[1:02:07] Andrew DeWolf: But we also have a commentary up there on Oliver and Company, probably it should be up there.

[1:02:11] Bree Jones: Um our email is musicaltheatrelives@gmail.com.

[1:02:14] Andrew DeWolf: If you're Ben Brantley or Ben Shapiro or Jason Robert Brown, feel free to send us hate mail, but only if you're those three people.

[1:02:19] Bree Jones: Um our title card is created by the amazing Jolene Casco.

[1:02:22] Andrew DeWolf: Go send her love at Joe Lean Casco on Instagram.

[1:02:25] Bree Jones: This show is produced by the absolutely incredible, wonderful Brianna Jones.

[1:02:31] Andrew DeWolf: We love you, Brianna.

[1:02:34] Bree Jones: Thank you for making the show possible.

[1:02:36] Andrew DeWolf: What?

[1:02:36] Bree Jones: It was going on without me.

[1:02:38] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god.

[1:02:39] Bree Jones: Oh my god, you guys.

[1:02:40] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god, oh my god, you guys.

[1:02:43] Bree Jones: Did you actually listen to the song like while we were talking?

[1:02:46] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[1:02:47] Bree Jones: I just picked up a I just sang it so well that it just came through.

[1:02:51] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god, oh my god, you guys.

[1:02:53] Bree Jones: Alright, guys.

[1:02:54] Andrew DeWolf: We will see you next time on Musicals with Cheese.