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[0:06] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally.

[0:09] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm Andrew DeWolf.

[0:11] Liz Eston: And I'm Liz Eston.

[0:19] Andrew DeWolf: And today, we're talking about America's pastime: musical theater.

[0:25] Jesse McAnally: I like that you've really leaned into the 50s vibe by not mentioning Liz in your intro.

[0:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[0:31] Liz Eston: Oh, fuck. I'm so sorry.

[0:35] Jesse McAnally: You know, I'm a woman and this is the 50s.

[0:38] Liz Eston: I don't matter.

[0:40] Andrew DeWolf: You're just like the wife in this movie.

[0:42] Liz Eston: Yeah, it's a good one. Kinda disposable.

[0:45] Jesse McAnally: She sings a song about how she regrets yelling at a man, and that's it. She is a plot point and not much else.

[0:53] Liz Eston: But I still like the fact she's there.

[0:56] Andrew DeWolf: Um, guys, we're traveling in our time machine back to the misogyny days where Jess forgets to include Liz in the intro.

[1:03] Jesse McAnally: Um, of the 1950s, where Bob Fosse is allowed to be on set with other people.

[1:10] Andrew DeWolf: This week, we are talking about the musical Damn Yankees.

[1:14] Jesse McAnally: Cue the music.

[1:16] ♪ Musical number: "You've Gone Home" — performed by the cast ♪

[1:45] Jesse McAnally: Damn Yankees is a musical written by George Abbott and Douglas Wallop, with music and lyrics by Richard Adler and Jerry Ross, based on The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant by Douglas Wallop. The show premiered on Broadway at the 46th Street Theater on May 5th, 1955, then transferred to the Adelphi Theater on May 17th, 1957, and ran for a whopping total of 1,019 performances.

[2:10] Andrew DeWolf: The plot of Damn Yankees is a frustrated fan of the hopeless Washington Senators, not the Yankees, makes a pact with the devil to help the baseball team win the league pennant.

[2:21] Liz Eston: Um, yeah. So we're back in classic musicals. I feel like we haven't covered one of these in a very long time.

[2:30] Jesse McAnally: You know it's classic because there's a courtroom scene.

[2:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[2:34] Liz Eston: Um, the dance numbers go on for a hair too long.

[2:38] Jesse McAnally: Oh, just a hair. Oh, well, we'll leave that to Jess. Let him make that. Jess, I'll let Jess complain about the overly long dance numbers.

[2:46] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, God forbid. Um, so this is like the second big musical that Bob Fosse was involved with as the choreographer. In fact, in the film adaptation, he plays the other dancer in the famous "Who's Got the Pain" when you do the Mambo number.

[3:01] Liz Eston: And yeah, he's not much of a screen presence, especially compared to the charisma bomb that is Gwen Verdon. Um, but what do we all think about Damn Yankees?

[3:11] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, Damn Yankees is not anything that I expected.

[3:15] Liz Eston: What the fuck? What is this?

[3:17] Andrew DeWolf: I thought it was gonna be about a baseball team or something, and I guess it's about a baseball team.

[3:22] Liz Eston: Yeah, it's, I thought it was just about like a struggling baseball team wanting to win a game or like a tournament. And I was like, okay, this sounds interesting, and then it starts and the devil shows up, and you're like, okay.

[3:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's like the opening number, I'm just like, wait, so what is this? So it's just about a guy. Oh, and then the devil shows up, and I'm like, what?

[3:42] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[3:44] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Is it a pun? Is it an intentional pun?

[3:46] Liz Eston: I think a hundred percent it is.

[3:50] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Because they use damn basically instead of every other swear word in this. Like anything that the, I mean, this show loves its puns so much.

[4:00] Liz Eston: Um, so I feel like that would not be against it. Solid. Um, I find a lot of strange things with this show. Specifically, not even the way it's marketed, but the way it's presented.

[4:12] Andrew DeWolf: Always Lola forward. And Lola doesn't show up till about an hour into the show.

[4:17] Liz Eston: But you know what? In the film, Gwen Verdon is top billed. In the stage production, she is top billed, and she's forefront of the stage. She's not much of a character in this story. Like, I mean, she's fun, she's engaging, but why?

[4:27] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Elaborate.

[4:31] Liz Eston: There's one particular scene that happens, and that's why.

[4:36] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, is it the "Whatever Lola Wants" scene?

[4:39] Liz Eston: Yes. Holy shit. Like, that is why. That's the poster.

[4:44] Andrew DeWolf: Literally. That's literally the poster.

[4:46] Liz Eston: Yes, it is. It is. And it's a great scene, but in the context of the overall thing, there's nothing with the plot. You could literally cut that scene out, and it wouldn't even change the story all that much.

[4:57] Andrew DeWolf: But it would change the experience, which is...

[4:57] Liz Eston: It would. Yes. I'm not saying they should cut it out. They absolutely should not cut it out. That's a great song. It's just there isn't like a real reason it needs to be there other than it's really entertaining.

[5:12] Andrew DeWolf: That's it. It's really entertaining. It's really well thought out, you know? Like, I know Gwen Verdon, and we did cover Fosse/Verdon a lot, and they did talk about Damn Yankees because that is where Gwen Verdon and Bob Fosse met each other, and thus created an entire creative partnership that led to many good things and a lot of abuse.

[5:35] Liz Eston: Um, there's a TV show about that.

[5:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah, go watch it. You know what? Even better. There's a whole retrospective me and Andrew did a few years ago about that. There's one episode where we just talk about the 2020 election. Go listen to that.

[5:49] Jesse McAnally: Okay. I'm sure it won't be relevant anytime soon.

[5:55] Andrew DeWolf: The 2020 election and the 2024 election are the same election.

[6:00] Liz Eston: Wouldn't that be wild?

[6:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but what's the plot of Damn Yankees, Andrew?

[6:07] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. The plot to Damn Yankees. Uh, there's this guy, Joe, who loves the, uh, I believe it's the Washington Senators, which I guess is the baseball team for Washington. I don't actually know enough about baseball to know if that's the, if that was a real team at the time or not.

[6:26] Liz Eston: It ended in 1960 because it relocated to Minnesota and became the Twins that we all know and tolerate today.

[6:36] Andrew DeWolf: He's a fucking Twins fan.

[6:38] Liz Eston: Yeah, he's a fan of the Twins.

[6:40] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. So he loves the Washington Senators. Um, and he is very upset because they keep fucking losing. So he says, I'm gonna sell my soul to give them a big, to make them a big hitter or something. It doesn't make a ton of sense, but then the devil shows up and is like, hell yeah.

[7:00] Liz Eston: Um, this is where I get a little bit confused and I don't really understand.

[7:03] Andrew DeWolf: Five minutes in.

[7:04] Liz Eston: No, no, I mean, I understand what's happening. I don't really understand the deal that they make.

[7:10] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. There's like, so there's like a way for him to get out of selling his soul, essentially.

[7:17] Liz Eston: Yeah, because he has a wife and he loves his wife and he wants to be with her. Which is a character thing that I like until I don't. Um, he can get out of it, and this is where I'm confused. He's not, he has to do it by a certain time.

[7:34] Andrew DeWolf: September 24th, and the season ends the 25th.

[7:38] Liz Eston: Yeah, so he's not allowed to play in the last game. If he were to back out, yes.

[7:43] Andrew DeWolf: But I'm pretty sure he does, or does he not?

[7:47] Liz Eston: He tries to back out. He's not allowed to do it because of the court case that you love so much in musical theater. Um, and then when he tries to, he's like, well, aw shucks. I guess I need to actually win the game. Then Lola drugs the devil with, uh, roofies, I guess.

[8:03] Andrew DeWolf: Um, so the devil can't throw the game and make the Senators lose.

[8:08] Liz Eston: Like, wait, so he also gets out if he wins the game.

[8:11] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, so either they win the game or he backs out.

[8:14] Liz Eston: Okay.

[8:16] Andrew DeWolf: That's the rule. So it doesn't make sense, but those are the rules. And if he loses the game, he owes his soul to the devil.

[8:26] Liz Eston: Okay. Alright, so that's what I'm saying. At least that's how I understand it. Correct me if I'm wrong, dude.

[8:32] Andrew DeWolf: And I've watched two versions of this, and both times I didn't really get that out of this initial scene where they make this deal. I watched one version and I didn't get it. So I watched the movie and I watched, um, I don't know which ver, the revival, I think Encore's Revival starring, um, Sean Hayes, Jane Krakowski, and Cheyenne Jackson.

[8:56] Liz Eston: Yeah, that's the one I watched solo, so I don't know what happens in the movie.

[9:01] Andrew DeWolf: But the same shit, basically. It's different order.

[9:04] Liz Eston: Yeah, from what I can tell online, yeah.

[9:07] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Andrew, which one did you prefer out of curiosity?

[9:10] Andrew DeWolf: Honestly, I think I liked the Encore's version better.

[9:12] Liz Eston: I like the Encores better in every way except for Gwen Verdon.

[9:15] Andrew DeWolf: Well, Gwen Verdon, there's just something about her that makes that character come to life. And I love Jane Krakowski. I think she's a great, fine, wonderful dancer actress. I never don't see Jane Krakowski. I always just see her as Jenna Maroney from 30 Rock and nothing else.

[9:33] Liz Eston: Okay, so I should probably... We sort of did the whole plot, but we skipped all the middle.

[9:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, so realistically, not a ton happens in the middle. It's a lot of just like he's playing baseball, uh.

[9:50] Liz Eston: He wins.

[9:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. And what I guess the devil is trying to like make it so he doesn't want to go back to his wife.

[9:59] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[9:59] Andrew DeWolf: But Joe does not want to not go back to his wife. He likes his wife a lot.

[10:04] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[10:04] Andrew DeWolf: So he gets a room with her while he is this other Joe.

[10:08] Liz Eston: Rents a room.

[10:09] Andrew DeWolf: He doesn't just start having sex with his wife.

[10:11] Liz Eston: We didn't... Oh, fuck, we forgot the most important part.

[10:14] Andrew DeWolf: We forgot literally the most important part.

[10:17] Liz Eston: So in this deal with the devil, he is given a young body and played by a completely different actor.

[10:22] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[10:23] Liz Eston: Oh, yeah, he got hot.

[10:24] Andrew DeWolf: Like, yeah.

[10:25] Liz Eston: Because I think that's like one of the more interesting parts of this story, which is he starts... I kind of took that for granted for a second. My bad.

[10:31] Andrew DeWolf: I just realized how important that is.

[10:38] Liz Eston: Yeah, he like becomes 24 all of a sudden. It's like, alright, you're 24 and you're a baseball player. Go. And five minutes ago you were 60.

[10:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[10:46] Liz Eston: But I think, depending on the performer of Joe, it is interesting to play a 60 to 70-year-old man in a 24-year-old's body. And some actors, I think, really do a good job with that, and some of them don't really do anything with that.

[11:01] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. So we got that.

[11:03] Liz Eston: Yeah. He gets a room with his actual wife, who she obviously doesn't know who he is, and he's just kind of... he's just trying to stay near her, I guess, to like, you know.

[11:14] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[11:14] Liz Eston: Um, control her.

[11:17] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, control her via withholding information.

[11:23] Liz Eston: Maybe.

[11:24] Andrew DeWolf: Not like she'd believe him if it's me, honey. I'm 24 years old.

[11:28] Liz Eston: Yeah, I mean, I think that that would have been worse if they tried to have that scene where it's like, oh, it's really me.

[11:34] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that would have been dumb.

[11:35] Liz Eston: Just he just shows up when he's old and it's like, I'm back, baby.

[11:35] Andrew DeWolf: I'm back, baby!

[11:40] Liz Eston: In a very 50s way. She's like, where were you? He's like, don't ask. And she's like, okay. Well, we're never going to talk about that. I'm a woman in the 50s. I can't question it. I'm grateful you're here at all.

[11:53] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I don't have to remarry for no reason. Yay.

[11:56] Liz Eston: The devil really wants to break them up, so he brings in Lola, um, who is like his little, uh, succubus or something. Um, her exact... the exact title given to her is sexy baby, which Taylor Swift would later co-opt beautifully in "Anti-Hero."

[12:15] Andrew DeWolf: I'm not making this up. He literally says, I've got a sexy baby for you.

[12:21] Liz Eston: And he keeps saying it, and I'm like, I don't like that because all I can think of that Taylor Swift lyric. But, uh, but Joe is like, he is just not interested at all. He loves his wife, and uh, it's kind of funny because Lola like tries to seduce him, and it just doesn't really work.

[12:43] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, it almost works, but not really. Her seduction powers, like the dance, the "Whatever Lola Wants" dance, brilliantly choreographed and crafted by Bob Fosse, is fucking weird and interesting, and the way they were going about it is what would someone that really doesn't understand what turns humans on think would be sexy about their body? And I'm like, that is very interesting, and I love it.

[13:04] Liz Eston: Uh, one of the highlights of the entire show. But sort of because Lola fails, uh, and it's the first time I guess she's ever failed.

[13:12] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, um, she like really respects Joe, and now she tries to help him going forward. But there's that weird scene where they make out, which ruins a lot of the stuff they do throughout the rest of it.

[13:28] Liz Eston: Okay, you know, they're trying to... it's fan service, you know, it's just a little fan service thrown in there.

[13:33] Andrew DeWolf: What is this, iCarly, that we're just gonna throw little happiness to the credit shippers?

[13:38] Liz Eston: Don't diss Jola, okay.

[13:46] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Okay. It ends when, uh, he's playing like in the last game, and okay, can we just talk for like... I just want to mention something while we're doing it, so like they don't understand baseball, I don't think.

[14:02] Liz Eston: No.

[14:02] Andrew DeWolf: Well, a bunch of theater people didn't understand the sport? There's like no tension in this ending.

[14:08] Liz Eston: No.

[14:14] Jesse McAnally: So somebody hits a long.

[14:17] Andrew DeWolf: Like, okay.

[14:18] Jesse McAnally: No, no, no.

[14:19] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[14:19] Jesse McAnally: So they're in like the last inning.

[14:22] Andrew DeWolf: The senators are up one, and the other team has no points.

[14:27] Jesse McAnally: Uh, the other team is up to bat, and all they have to do is get the other team out and they win.

[14:33] Andrew DeWolf: Um, by actual sports.

[14:39] Jesse McAnally: So the devil is like trying to cheat or whatever.

[14:44] Andrew DeWolf: So the other team hits a uh a long ball, and the devil mid-flight towards Joe in the outfield turns Joe back into the old man.

[14:54] Jesse McAnally: Um, but the old man still manages to catch it.

[14:57] Andrew DeWolf: But the reason there's like not very much tension is because like they wouldn't win off of this.

[15:04] Jesse McAnally: Like this isn't like a game-winning catch necessarily.

[15:08] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, they win the game because he caught it, but if he didn't catch it, they would not have lost.

[15:14] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[15:16] Andrew DeWolf: So like they should have changed it.

[15:19] Jesse McAnally: Like they would have lost.

[15:22] Andrew DeWolf: And then like, I mean, he maybe got he maybe could have got a double out of it.

[15:26] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, maybe, but it depends on where it ended up.

[15:29] Andrew DeWolf: I would have loved it if he just fumbles like with the ball for about 45 minutes and it never gets back home.

[15:36] Jesse McAnally: It certainly it's weird. I get what they were going for, but I kind of feel like they should have. Honestly, they should have had him up to bat in like, oh, he's gotta hit the ball to like, or else they don't like this would have been on him they would have said hey, you an old man now.

[15:56] Andrew DeWolf: They were thinking too much logic.

[15:58] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, they should have just not given a shit. Yeah, I mean in the stage show he's like shows up to court and then he's in a weird universe and then like they dance and the devil's and then like he just decides to be an old man the devil's like okay oh yeah there's the weird sex universe he goes to with Lola um yeah and they nearly have sex I'm pretty sure I thought they did have sex like it's kind of unclear that's the reason why what happens in the sex universe stays in the sex universe yeah it's like Vegas like it it's okay it's like doing anything on leap day and it doesn't matter it's an extra day fucking yeah that's curved up you get it every every four years you get a still laws leap days like the purge a hundred percent I think that would make I'm surprised the purge didn't just go with leap days.

[15:58] Jesse McAnally: Alright, let's talk some more baseball.

[15:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, let's do baseball talking.

[15:58] Jesse McAnally: Okay, in the fucking movie the way they swing the bat is so fucking sad.

[15:58] Andrew DeWolf: You are not wrong they don't know how you're supposed to swing the bat how hard would it be to just get a consultant that has like played played baseball not even like professionally just have done is aware of the sport.

[15:58] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it's like I played Little League and they're like yeah you know you're not supposed to swing the bat like that I played T-ball and I can tell you're not supposed to swing the bat like that he's like like he's like standing up and he just kind of like moves his arms.

[17:39] Andrew DeWolf: It's like you're supposed to like put your whole body in like you're not gonna hit a home run just swinging your arms with the bat like oh my god.

[17:39] Jesse McAnally: Um fair enough can we talk about the rest of the team because honestly I love the Joe kind of story wish they had a bigger role.

[17:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah I love every other team it it reminds me a lot of the the quartet in the music man that just pops up and brings you a little bit of joy every now and then every time they're on screen doing their comedy bits because their song is my favorite song in the whole show.

[17:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah completely I don't e I don't even care if it's not like technically the best or the most famous or anything but heart is just uh it's a classic um honestly my two favorite songs in this are both like just the ensemble baseball numbers you've got um oh god fucking Joe from um shoeless Joe from Hannibal Moe Hannibal Moe that number where you have like all the dancing baseball players and heart both of them perfect 10 out of 10.

[18:43] Andrew DeWolf: They're back to back too.

[18:44] Jesse McAnally: Yeah and for about 30 minutes there's nowhere else you'd rather be.

[18:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah um let's I think we should talk a little bit about the dancing considering the Bob Fosse of it all.

[18:56] Jesse McAnally: Yeah I mean you're the dance guy who hates dancing.

[19:00] Andrew DeWolf: Me personally, I thought that the dancing was pretty good.

[19:04] Jesse McAnally: I really never felt like it was going on too long.

[19:07] Andrew DeWolf: I mean there were moments where I was like a little we could have a little less um but that's about it.

[19:14] Jesse McAnally: Um, not as much as I was expecting.

[19:18] Andrew DeWolf: Usually there's like uh in these older musicals, there's like a number where they're just like going for like 10 minutes, and I'm just like, okay.

[19:25] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[19:25] Andrew DeWolf: Hello, Dolly.

[19:27] Jesse McAnally: They didn't do that here.

[19:28] Andrew DeWolf: So I don't know. This is one of those strangely more kind of plot centric musicals from this time, especially, where we kind of need to keep the plot going at all times.

[19:41] Jesse McAnally: Like, honestly, the only scene where they actually kind of do stop the show and have someone dance is whatever Lola wants.

[19:47] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I would argue who's got the pain.

[19:49] Jesse McAnally: Uh yeah, that's like a comedy number.

[19:51] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[19:52] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[19:52] Andrew DeWolf: Um famously, in our Fosse Verdon episode, you said that was one of the worst songs you've ever heard, and you hated every second of it.

[19:59] Jesse McAnally: I did hate it here as well. I I'm not gonna lie, though that weird fucking noise they make is just I I don't like it.

[20:08] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think it's that funny.

[20:09] Jesse McAnally: I thought it was like a demonic thing that they never explained, but I guess it's just a weird sound.

[20:15] Andrew DeWolf: I yeah.

[20:16] Jesse McAnally: Can't explain it.

[20:17] Andrew DeWolf: I like the song.

[20:18] Jesse McAnally: Um I honestly this flows pretty well. Like it felt like there was not a lot of fat on this show.

[20:25] Andrew DeWolf: As I know it is like just under two hours, but if you had intermission, it's about two hours, five minutes.

[20:30] Jesse McAnally: Um, I think that it really goes.

[20:33] Andrew DeWolf: And even it's rare to find a musical where even the B characters are thoroughly entertaining.

[20:38] Jesse McAnally: In fact, I would say the two, well, the main lead and his wife are probably some of the least interesting because A, Joe really doesn't have a personality.

[20:49] Andrew DeWolf: Joe doesn't have an arc.

[20:50] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, Joe's there. He doesn't like learn anything really.

[20:54] Andrew DeWolf: Like he starts the show wanting his baseball team to win, but he loves his wife.

[20:58] Jesse McAnally: And then he ends the show with, I made my baseball team win and I love my wife.

[21:02] Andrew DeWolf: But I almost appreciate the fact that the story isn't him learning to love his wife and appreciate him and realize how much he took her for granted.

[21:10] Jesse McAnally: From moment one, he's like, I gotta tell my wife, and he gives this very long song about how much he loves his wife writing a letter.

[21:16] Andrew DeWolf: He becomes young, finishes the song, so we know that it's still the same guy loving his wife, and then he fucks around doing baseball, day two of doing baseball, I miss my wife.

[21:28] Jesse McAnally: It's great.

[21:29] Andrew DeWolf: I will say, when the devil's like, I will make you young and play baseball, he never hesitates.

[21:34] Jesse McAnally: He's like, yeah, absolutely.

[21:35] Andrew DeWolf: And then two seconds later he's like, wait a minute, my wife!

[21:38] Jesse McAnally: Like, dude, your wife comes before the devil, making you a 24-year-old so you can play baseball.

[21:44] Andrew DeWolf: To be fair though, his baseball team did win.

[21:46] Jesse McAnally: That's true.

[21:49] Andrew DeWolf: It's true.

[21:51] Jesse McAnally: Had you thought of that, Liz.

[21:52] Liz Eston: I had it, but still, there should have been some hesitation to make his non-arc a little better.

[21:59] Andrew DeWolf: There was there was a little bit of hesitation.

[22:02] Liz Eston: He was he was like, Am I gonna be able to change back? Like, you know, like he heard it.

[22:06] Andrew DeWolf: He did manage to make it so he was able to turn back.

[22:11] Jesse McAnally: Can you make her 24 years old again just for a night?

[22:16] Andrew DeWolf: You know, let's relive some of the glory days.

[22:20] Jesse McAnally: Um now that I've thoroughly grossed you out, I feel like we haven't harped on long enough. What a fucking ridiculous premise for a show this is.

[22:30] Andrew DeWolf: And this is based on a book.

[22:32] Jesse McAnally: And the book writer also came in and helped write this show.

[22:36] Andrew DeWolf: Like, it's like the most 50s kind of book you'd imagine existing.

[22:39] Jesse McAnally: It is ridiculous, but I kind of love it.

[22:42] Andrew DeWolf: And I think that if it wasn't for how just absurd this plot is.

[22:48] Jesse McAnally: Like, like we we'd have something a lot less good here.

[22:52] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[22:53] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[22:54] Andrew DeWolf: It did adapt.

[22:55] Jesse McAnally: Most most older musicals are in, you know, it's it's uh everyone will hate me for saying this, but it you know it's fucking true.

[23:04] Andrew DeWolf: So there's some of those are fucking boring.

[23:06] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[23:08] Andrew DeWolf: Can you can you name one just out of curiosity?

[23:11] Jesse McAnally: Oh god, you know which ones I'm talking about.

[23:14] Andrew DeWolf: No, no, I need you to elaborate, please.

[23:16] Jesse McAnally: Hello Dolly.

[23:18] Andrew DeWolf: Hello Dolly, I can't fight.

[23:19] Jesse McAnally: But what happens?

[23:20] Andrew DeWolf: What what happens in that show?

[23:22] Jesse McAnally: I have no idea.

[23:23] Andrew DeWolf: She gaslights a man into marrying her.

[23:26] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, that's not a plot that can fill fucking.

[23:30] Andrew DeWolf: You were the one defending Hello Dolly in our episode.

[23:34] Jesse McAnally: I was the one that's like, I don't really like this.

[23:37] Andrew DeWolf: I think that there's a place for shows like that, but plot wise, they can get kind of lame.

[23:43] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[23:44] Andrew DeWolf: Uh if you're not really into the dancing in the songs, it's just kind of like, why the fuck am I here?

[23:51] Jesse McAnally: And uh I think that we've we've moved away from that type of show because of that.

[23:57] Andrew DeWolf: And this is maybe one of the first examples of what is really more modern musicals.

[24:04] Jesse McAnally: Um, can I talk a little bit about an unmade 2009 film adaptation?

[24:09] Andrew DeWolf: And I remember this getting announced, and it never got made, and at the time I was like, that sounds kinda lame, but now I'm like, that would have been kind of cool.

[24:18] Jesse McAnally: So, in 2009, it was announced a new contemporary film adaptation to the musical that would star Jim Carrey as Applegate and Jake Gyllenhaal as Joe Hardy.

[24:29] Andrew DeWolf: At the time that sounded fucking lame, but now I'm like, that sounds cool as hell.

[24:35] Jesse McAnally: I just wonder how well uh Jim Carrey could sing it.

[24:39] Andrew DeWolf: Jim Carrey, I mean, the devil only has one song, and it's like.

[24:39] Jesse McAnally: That's true.

[24:46] Andrew DeWolf: They could just cut that song out too.

[24:46] Jesse McAnally: And it's basically talk singing, singing it, because mostly they just hire comedians to play that role, like Phil Silvers and Sean Hayes and Jason Alexander, I'm sure has done it.

[24:57] Andrew DeWolf: Sounds like something he'd do.

[24:58] Jesse McAnally: Is it Jason can actually sing?

[25:00] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Jason Alexander can actually sing.

[25:03] Jesse McAnally: Um Jerry Lewis played the role in 1997. We all heard him do it.

[25:07] Andrew DeWolf: And most recently, Whoopi Goldberg played the role of Mr. Applegate in a production with our favorite uh teacher, Matthew Morrison as Joe Hardy.

[25:14] Jesse McAnally: Disgusting.

[25:16] Andrew DeWolf: I think Jim Carrey would have done a great job.

[25:18] Jesse McAnally: He would have been handy.

[25:19] Andrew DeWolf: He would have mugged a lot.

[25:21] Jesse McAnally: But honestly, that's kind of the role.

[25:25] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[25:25] Jesse McAnally: I would accept I would have accepted a deal from Jim Carrey Devil with like very little question.

[25:30] Andrew DeWolf: And he does have like that traveling salesman edge that like someone like Hugh Jackman just kind of doesn't have.

[25:37] Jesse McAnally: Um I would have really liked that film adaptation, especially young Jake Gyllenhaal in that role.

[25:42] Andrew DeWolf: I just imagine him singing like goodbye, my love, or whatever it was.

[25:47] Jesse McAnally: It would have been real cute.

[25:48] Andrew DeWolf: Especially now that we've all heard him sing in I don't know, something.

[25:53] Jesse McAnally: Um, Sunday Park Patrick.

[25:58] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know why you didn't know.

[25:59] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, you were the ultimate fan of that show.

[26:02] Andrew DeWolf: Do you want me to be honest? I just remembered he was cast as Rapunzel's Prince in Into the Woods, and that was all that was screaming out of my head, but I know he didn't eventually play that role.

[26:11] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it was some that blonde guy who's on black.

[26:14] Andrew DeWolf: Billy Magnuson put some respect on his name.

[26:17] Jesse McAnally: Okay, in that production with Matthew Morrison, a big famous actress plays uh Lola.

[26:23] Andrew DeWolf: They are not known for musical theater, and I think they would have been miscast.

[26:27] Jesse McAnally: I have not seen this, but it sounds horrendous.

[26:29] Andrew DeWolf: Any guesses to who it is?

[26:30] Jesse McAnally: I actually saw this while researching earlier, so Andrew.

[26:34] Andrew DeWolf: It's related to the last person I brought up.

[26:37] Jesse McAnally: Uh I got no guesses. Just go.

[26:40] Andrew DeWolf: It's Maggie Gyllenhaal.

[26:43] Jesse McAnally: Oh.

[26:44] Andrew DeWolf: That is.

[26:44] Jesse McAnally: Is it his sister?

[26:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[26:49] Jesse McAnally: That is Jake Gyllenhaal's sister.

[26:49] Andrew DeWolf: And she was Harvey in that one movie, Dark Knight.

[26:53] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. I don't find her a particularly good.

[26:56] Andrew DeWolf: Put some respect on her name.

[26:58] Jesse McAnally: Rachel Dawes, DA.

[27:00] Andrew DeWolf: Where is she?

[27:01] Jesse McAnally: Alright. We are gone into chaos.

[27:06] Andrew DeWolf: Which means we have to move on to our favorite section, previews.

[27:10] Jesse McAnally: Letterbox game.

[27:12] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[27:17] Jesse McAnally: It's time for previews.

[27:19] Andrew DeWolf: So if this is your first time listening to musicals with cheese, and it's a new year, maybe you're starting to something new. Um, this is a game where I read real letterbox reviews to Andrew and Liz, and they're gonna go head to head to guess whether they are a one-star or five-star based on nothing but the review alone.

[27:36] Jesse McAnally: Are you ready?

[27:38] Andrew DeWolf: I'm ready.

[27:38] Liz Eston: I'm always ready for the I'm ready.

[27:40] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Liz, you're first.

[27:42] Liz Eston: Yay.

[27:45] Jesse McAnally: Not the devil being gay and bitter.

[27:47] Liz Eston: He's so me.

[27:50] Jesse McAnally: I mean, the devil would be gay and bitter.

[27:53] Andrew DeWolf: Let's be perfect honest with ourselves.

[27:55] Jesse McAnally: Uh just like Jim Carrey.

[27:57] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[27:59] Jesse McAnally: I'm not gonna comment on that, but uh, five.

[28:03] Andrew DeWolf: One star.

[28:03] Liz Eston: You're wrong, Liz.

[28:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[28:06] Jesse McAnally: I'm mesmerized by Gwen Verdon's dancing.

[28:13] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, that's just it's obviously a five, but because it's obviously a five, I'm like, no, it's a one.

[28:20] Jesse McAnally: But I'm uh no, it's a five.

[28:22] Andrew DeWolf: I'm going with my gun. It's a five.

[28:24] Jesse McAnally: That was a one, Liz!

[28:26] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck.

[28:27] Jesse McAnally: Oh god.

[28:28] Andrew DeWolf: Now I'll do a good start.

[28:30] Jesse McAnally: Technically good.

[28:32] Andrew DeWolf: Technically good.

[28:35] Jesse McAnally: That's the best kind of good.

[28:38] Andrew DeWolf: The capital was never out of focus.

[28:40] Jesse McAnally: Five star.

[28:42] Andrew DeWolf: Um five stars.

[28:45] Jesse McAnally: That is a one-star, Andrew!

[28:48] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god.

[28:49] Jesse McAnally: This is a rough round.

[28:50] Andrew DeWolf: It's not even about the Yankees.

[28:52] Jesse McAnally: Fuck the Yankees.

[28:55] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck.

[28:56] Jesse McAnally: Is this gonna be a five star?

[28:57] Andrew DeWolf: Because now it sounds like a one-star.

[28:59] Jesse McAnally: And did you like get all the reverse ones this time?

[29:02] Andrew DeWolf: I did not.

[29:03] Jesse McAnally: What's going on, man?

[29:05] Andrew DeWolf: There's never one star.

[29:07] Jesse McAnally: That is correct.

[29:08] Andrew DeWolf: Holy fuck.

[29:09] Jesse McAnally: Okay, thank God.

[29:10] Andrew DeWolf: At least someone got something ready.

[29:12] Jesse McAnally: Alright, alright.

[29:13] Liz Eston: Yes.

[29:16] Jesse McAnally: Gays and sports.

[29:18] Liz Eston: Yeah, yeah.

[29:19] Jesse McAnally: Those hap.

[29:20] Liz Eston: Yeah, they cross over sometimes.

[29:21] Jesse McAnally: Uh five.

[29:24] Andrew DeWolf: That is correct.

[29:25] Jesse McAnally: Thank God.

[29:26] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[29:29] Jesse McAnally: Why was everyone so ugly?

[29:32] Andrew DeWolf: So mean!

[29:35] Jesse McAnally: Damn, they're all ugly.

[29:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, but she also did kind of have like, you know, a uh Kirk Cameron haircut.

[29:44] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it's true.

[29:45] Andrew DeWolf: No, the dude that wrote this wasn't watching the TV.

[29:48] Jesse McAnally: They were watching a mirror.

[29:52] Andrew DeWolf: Uh I'm gonna go with five stars.

[29:54] Jesse McAnally: They love how ugly everyone was.

[29:56] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, that's a one star.

[30:00] Liz Eston: Liz with only ugly people.

[30:04] Andrew DeWolf: Um yeah, it's called any Cohen Brothers movie.

[30:07] Jesse McAnally: Um, Liz.

[30:08] Liz Eston: Um, what is going on with Bob Fosse's choreography?

[30:12] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, he's uh repress he's just a very repressed man.

[30:15] Liz Eston: He's just very horny.

[30:17] Andrew DeWolf: Um too much horny.

[30:19] Liz Eston: He's so horny.

[30:20] Andrew DeWolf: Uh five for the horny.

[30:22] Liz Eston: That is one for the horny.

[30:23] Andrew DeWolf: Damn.

[30:24] Liz Eston: It's usually the horny goes in two extremes.

[30:28] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[30:32] Jesse McAnally: Gwen Verdon is that bitch.

[30:34] Liz Eston: Yes, she is.

[30:36] Andrew DeWolf: Five stars.

[30:37] Liz Eston: That is correct.

[30:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[30:41] Liz Eston: If I were Meg, I'd kick his ass.

[30:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, I would also kick his ass.

[30:47] Liz Eston: Uh, if this happened to me.

[30:48] Andrew DeWolf: So it's happened to my friend Eric, I swear to God.

[30:54] Liz Eston: Oh god.

[30:55] Andrew DeWolf: Uh five stars.

[30:57] Liz Eston: That is a one.

[30:59] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[31:00] Jesse McAnally: Three for five.

[31:04] Andrew DeWolf: That's a middle.

[31:05] Jesse McAnally: That's a middle in review.

[31:07] Andrew DeWolf: That's yeah, that's you can't.

[31:09] Jesse McAnally: No, no, no, no.

[31:09] Andrew DeWolf: I will give context.

[31:11] Jesse McAnally: This is something that they said a lot.

[31:12] Andrew DeWolf: One guy kept saying in the locker rooms.

[31:15] Jesse McAnally: Oh.

[31:16] Andrew DeWolf: Like a record thing.

[31:17] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[31:18] Andrew DeWolf: Three for five.

[31:19] Jesse McAnally: Oh, yeah.

[31:20] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, right, right, right, right, right.

[31:22] Jesse McAnally: I I just didn't want y'all to misinterpret my intentions here.

[31:26] Andrew DeWolf: No, you're good.

[31:28] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[31:29] Andrew DeWolf: I would never want to misrepresent my emotions during the letterbox game.

[31:33] Jesse McAnally: Usually when you quote something, you like it, so we're gonna go with five.

[31:36] Liz Eston: That is correct, Liz.

[31:38] Andrew DeWolf: I already lost, so you did, but let's read this one last time for anyways.

[31:45] Liz Eston: I can't get over the implication that whatever Lola wants is diegetic, and Lola is straight up singing for Tab Hunter while doing a strip tease.

[31:55] Andrew DeWolf: So they were I don't see why that would even be a wrong interpretation.

[31:59] Liz Eston: Like it probably is correct.

[32:00] Andrew DeWolf: Well, yeah, the devil kept singing the song.

[32:01] Liz Eston: Like, why would you think that would work?

[32:03] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, loan!

[32:04] Liz Eston: Oh my god, I'm like, oh, so she was singing it.

[32:06] Andrew DeWolf: I get it.

[32:08] Liz Eston: Uh five.

[32:11] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that is correct.

[32:12] Jesse McAnally: And Andrew won the letterbox game.

[32:14] Andrew DeWolf: Do you have a speech to give right here?

[32:16] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, to talk about you crushed me or whatever.

[32:18] Andrew DeWolf: I wanna I want to thank uh myself for being really good at this.

[32:23] Jesse McAnally: Um, and I'm really glad that I was able to win the pennant.

[32:27] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, are we just gonna bring up that this is just devils in the outfield?

[32:34] Jesse McAnally: Is it it's it's not though.

[32:36] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, there's there's no little kid.

[32:39] Jesse McAnally: I mean, sure.

[32:40] Andrew DeWolf: Joe is Joe is basically the little kid.

[32:43] Jesse McAnally: You mean angels in the outfield?

[32:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but the joke is the devil did this and not God, as that movie implies.

[32:50] Jesse McAnally: God is down to help cheat at baseball.

[32:53] Andrew DeWolf: I do feel like something the devil would do, but I think Angels in the outfield is a great fucking movie because it's so dumb.

[32:53] Jesse McAnally: It's so dumb.

[33:01] Andrew DeWolf: It's so overly religious, too.

[33:04] Jesse McAnally: I love that the crux of the of the movie is that the dad says he'll come back when the angels win the world series.

[33:04] Andrew DeWolf: The pennant.

[33:04] Jesse McAnally: When the angels win the pennant.

[33:14] Andrew DeWolf: The dad needs higher stakes, then.

[33:16] Jesse McAnally: He was just lying.

[33:19] Andrew DeWolf: Like he was just trying to think of something impossible.

[33:22] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, he was just trying to be like, I'll yeah, when something impossible happens, I'll come back.

[33:27] Andrew DeWolf: Where I'd say when the angels win the pennant.

[33:34] Jesse McAnally: When the pigs fly, I'll be here.

[33:37] Andrew DeWolf: But then God steps in and is like, alright, we're making it happen.

[33:42] Jesse McAnally: We're gonna do some wacky special effects.

[33:44] Andrew DeWolf: Are you ready for Christopher Lloyd to be in your Pepsi?

[33:50] Jesse McAnally: It's such a fucking weird movie.

[33:52] Andrew DeWolf: You notice it's not on Disney Plus.

[33:54] Jesse McAnally: I wonder why.

[33:55] Andrew DeWolf: Is it really not?

[33:56] Jesse McAnally: It is not on Disney Plus.

[33:57] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know why.

[33:59] Jesse McAnally: It's not even that bad.

[34:01] Andrew DeWolf: Like, it's fine.

[34:02] Jesse McAnally: It's lame as fuck.

[34:05] Andrew DeWolf: You can't stream it legally.

[34:07] Jesse McAnally: And we know it's a Disney movie.

[34:09] Andrew DeWolf: I don't are they hiding something?

[34:10] Jesse McAnally: And they also made a sequel called Angels in the End Zone, where other failed character actors step in and do cheat at football.

[34:18] Andrew DeWolf: Isn't there also an Angels in the Infield?

[34:19] Jesse McAnally: Is that is that not real?

[34:21] Andrew DeWolf: It's it's Angels in the End Zone.

[34:24] Jesse McAnally: That's what it's called.

[34:25] Andrew DeWolf: Is that real?

[34:26] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it's real.

[34:27] Andrew DeWolf: It was a wonderful world of Disney presentation released in 1997.

[34:31] Jesse McAnally: Christopher Lloyd came back and literally no one else.

[34:33] Andrew DeWolf: Uh he oh, he was the boss angel, yes.

[34:37] Jesse McAnally: There is also an angels in the infield.

[34:39] Andrew DeWolf: Are you shitting it?

[34:43] Jesse McAnally: Okay, so there is a trilogy of angels in the Oh, and Patrick Warburton is the ghost this time?

[34:49] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no, no, no, I'm so sorry.

[34:51] Jesse McAnally: He's the pitcher.

[34:52] Andrew DeWolf: He's the change.

[34:54] Jesse McAnally: David Allen Greer is the ghost this time.

[34:56] Andrew DeWolf: Duh.

[34:57] Jesse McAnally: This poster is hilarious.

[34:59] Andrew DeWolf: Angels in the end zone.

[35:01] Jesse McAnally: Angels in the end.

[35:03] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, do we have to do Patreon commentaries for all three of these now?

[35:07] Jesse McAnally: Honestly, yes.

[35:08] Andrew DeWolf: My god.

[35:10] Jesse McAnally: Like, 10 perfect.

[35:11] Andrew DeWolf: Zero notes.

[35:14] Jesse McAnally: Wait, why are the stakes so fucking low in this?

[35:17] Andrew DeWolf: This is a it's a high school football team.

[35:19] Jesse McAnally: What the fuck?

[35:20] Andrew DeWolf: What?

[35:20] Jesse McAnally: How do you lower the stakes?

[35:24] Andrew DeWolf: God really fucking hates this school, I guess.

[35:28] Jesse McAnally: So the first the first movie is about the actual angels, and then the the second tech go movie is about some high school football.

[35:34] Andrew DeWolf: There's no more puns anymore.

[35:36] Jesse McAnally: The first one's a pun on the angels.

[35:38] Andrew DeWolf: Like the literal baseball team.

[35:41] Jesse McAnally: It's the Westfield Angels high school football team.

[35:50] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, let's do a function.

[35:55] Jesse McAnally: I'm not gonna cut it.

[35:56] Andrew DeWolf: That that's actually related to the it's related because it's all sports themed.

[36:00] Jesse McAnally: Let's talk about air buddies now.

[36:02] Andrew DeWolf: I love sports.

[36:04] Jesse McAnally: Guys, we love sports here.

[36:06] Andrew DeWolf: You guys are all sports fans.

[36:10] Jesse McAnally: What's up, sports fans?

[36:14] Andrew DeWolf: But we don't don't even frame it differently.

[36:16] Jesse McAnally: It's like, welcome to sports with cheese.

[36:18] Andrew DeWolf: Like, we don't address the elephant in the room ever.

[36:20] Jesse McAnally: And I'm the one who understands sports, and you're just pretending to understand what I'm saying.

[36:25] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, Jess, you're you're almost from Wisconsin, right?

[36:28] Jesse McAnally: They were the cheese hats.

[36:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[36:30] Jesse McAnally: Okay, not to be fucking lame as hell, but the Detroit Lions are possibly getting into the Super Bowl this year.

[36:37] Andrew DeWolf: They're like in seed three, which every other year of their life uh since I've been alive, they have been like last place, and then they got a new coach, now suddenly we're winning every fucking game.

[36:46] Jesse McAnally: Um la before last week, like we were like the number one pick, now we're only number three.

[36:52] Andrew DeWolf: But it's fucking incredible.

[36:53] Jesse McAnally: And also, I am both terrified and excited for the opportunity of Detroit going to the Super Bowl because win or lose, Detroit's not existing by the end of that night.

[37:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[37:11] Jesse McAnally: Hey guys, Sardin Trip to you in the middle of the show, but we've got a shill at you.

[37:14] Andrew DeWolf: Today's show is brought to you by the extremely kind donations by our donuts over at Patreon.

[37:19] Jesse McAnally: Andrew, tell us a little bit about Patreon.

[37:22] Andrew DeWolf: Brent Black lives in uh was in Philadelphia, doesn't he?

[37:26] Jesse McAnally: He doesn't anymore.

[37:28] Andrew DeWolf: No, he lives in New York City.

[37:29] Jesse McAnally: Like a real city.

[37:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[37:31] Jesse McAnally: He lives in a real city now.

[37:32] Andrew DeWolf: Don't you dare say about Philadelphia.

[37:34] Jesse McAnally: Don't disparage it anymore.

[37:35] Andrew DeWolf: I'm still here.

[37:37] Jesse McAnally: Okay, so Patreons we can go if you want to give us some money and get extra content.

[37:43] Andrew DeWolf: We have other stuff up there, like extra podcast episodes and commentary tracks and all sorts of stuff.

[37:51] Jesse McAnally: You can also request us to do episodes.

[37:53] Andrew DeWolf: So we can see that.

[37:54] Jesse McAnally: Yes, we just got a brand new $20 patron the other day.

[37:57] Andrew DeWolf: I need to reach out to them and ask what their request is.

[37:59] Jesse McAnally: Um exciting.

[38:01] Andrew DeWolf: Um so yeah, it it's really that easy.

[38:04] Jesse McAnally: Join in, get $20.

[38:05] Andrew DeWolf: Also, anyone above $10 up once a month, me, Andrew, and Liz are gonna step into like a little Patreon meetup, and you can hang out with us.

[38:12] Jesse McAnally: It'll be just like here.

[38:13] Andrew DeWolf: And you too can disparage Philly as much as you want.

[38:16] Jesse McAnally: Oh, we do all we we never talk about.

[38:19] Andrew DeWolf: We have a we have a Discord for patrons as well.

[38:21] Jesse McAnally: Oh yeah, Discord's over, yeah.

[38:23] Andrew DeWolf: It's wonderful, and they all talk amongst themselves that it's a good time.

[38:26] Jesse McAnally: They're all sharing their social security numbers today, and I don't know why they were doing that.

[38:30] Andrew DeWolf: That's true, and credit card numbers.

[38:31] Jesse McAnally: It's a good idea.

[38:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, we all know each other's credit card numbers.

[38:34] Jesse McAnally: Um, driver's license and passports, too.

[38:36] Andrew DeWolf: Like and passwords, I don't know why we're lying about this.

[38:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[38:39] Andrew DeWolf: None of the same things.

[38:40] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, we were comparing them.

[38:41] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[38:42] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[38:43] Andrew DeWolf: The bit's gone too long.

[38:44] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[38:44] Andrew DeWolf: Our current patrons are Danielle Rennox, Jess Stampede, Ewan Casty, Monica Thoreau, Brent Black, Lathaniel, Stacy Coomb, Joseph Evans Green, Mary Lou Choquette, John Finales, Russ Walker, Music School Hell, Emily Gracie, Kyle Summers, Jen A C, Scoot and the Technicolor, Dreamcoat, Liz Lib, nothing is certain except Beth and Taxes, Desbian, Robert Benjamin, Jessica T, Mitchell Young, Chai Teacup, Chris Marcote, Kiji Marie Anastasio, Trevi Joseph, Layla, RJ Noriga, Julia McClennon, Bjorn Herman, Toriana Fraser, Sammy The Adequate Amount, Jacobson, Kayleigh Blazier, Cinemagin Reviews, Villainous Smith, Sofiano Lee, the Omega Geek, Paige Pearson, Matty Wargle, Lisa Erdman, Anna Loscatova, Sarah Den Bleckier, Evan Bald, Zachary Torres, Mora, Rora, Morasso, Mara Flourloyne, Lisa L, Possessed Washing Machine, Nick Roten, Puffy Boy, Sidney Hicks, Anna Beale, Billy Clifton, Andrew Wright, The Red Caboose, Kaboom, Gold Playton, Kiki Mora, Julia Balder, Doder, Rex, and Gino Sanchez.

[39:41] Jesse McAnally: Thank you all for joining the team.

[39:42] Andrew DeWolf: And I do want to take a little moment to say that we lost our first patron.

[39:46] Jesse McAnally: And what I mean that by that, Andrew, the first person that was ever a patron to us uh had to leave, and that's a bummer because now I have we have to start this with a different name every week.

[39:57] Andrew DeWolf: Oh sorry, Melissa, uh, but think of how this affected us.

[40:02] Jesse McAnally: Now we have to start with a different name.

[40:05] Andrew DeWolf: Man, what happened to Melissa Goldman?

[40:07] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[40:07] Andrew DeWolf: I'm assuming just something happened.

[40:09] Jesse McAnally: It's fine.

[40:09] Andrew DeWolf: Never feel bad about leaving.

[40:12] Jesse McAnally: We love you, Melissa.

[40:13] Andrew DeWolf: You supported us for a good five years, and we are very grateful.

[40:18] Jesse McAnally: Uh heads off to you and play a little Viking funeral right here.

[40:22] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, let's get back to the show.

[40:32] Jesse McAnally: Let's talk about the opening number because it is one of the stranger opening numbers there is.

[41:10] Jesse McAnally: That's what I reasoned.

[41:13] Jesse McAnally: Then April rolled around.

[41:21] Jesse McAnally: Strike three, Paul Four Walkeronal Titus Core.

[41:24] Andrew DeWolf: You're blind, ump.

[41:24] Andrew DeWolf: You must be out of your mind.

[41:26] Jesse McAnally: Um, six months out of every year, I might as well be made of stone.

[41:34] Jesse McAnally: Six months out of every year when I'm with him, I'm alone.

[41:45] Jesse McAnally: Six months out of every year.

[41:46] Jesse McAnally: Six months.

[41:45] Andrew DeWolf: So it's something like the white.

[41:46] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[41:51] Andrew DeWolf: But I was thought, oh, is she gonna be a major character?

[41:53] Jesse McAnally: Nope.

[41:54] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[41:54] Jesse McAnally: Nope.

[41:57] Jesse McAnally: It is about our lead character, um, about how anytime baseball is on, she no longer exists, basically.

[42:04] Jesse McAnally: That is his full focus, and all of his energy is put towards that.

[42:07] Andrew DeWolf: So the lesson is to instead of just emotionally devoting and removing yourself from your wife's life, physically devoting and removing yourself from your wife's life to discover how much you miss your wife.

[42:20] Jesse McAnally: He doesn't really learn that though.

[42:20] Jesse McAnally: It's kind of weird.

[42:22] Andrew DeWolf: He doesn't really learn anything.

[42:27] Andrew DeWolf: He learns that he loves his wife and to never tell her the truth.

[42:30] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but when baseball season starts up again, he's just gonna like continue to ignore her.

[42:35] Andrew DeWolf: I don't mean baseball.

[42:37] Andrew DeWolf: He'll he will just become uh like triggered by baseball. I think this was all very traumatic for him. Or didn't really see having a good time. No, he was miserable from the moment he got there. He's like, I just want to hit play baseball. I don't want to be on the fucking news. Or being a baseball player. Um I think that he just didn't consider that. Um now that he's young and dumb and full of cum. He just really didn't know what he was signing up for. Um I think that this was a good song, though. I think six months out of every year is a good opening. I like it. I like the moment where the entire ensemble of wives come in and the entire ensemble of husbands are there, just kind of sh I think it does a good job of setting up how much this matters and who it's affecting. Um, but let's talk about goodbye old girl, which is Yeah, probably a good idea, because I would rant about that. Ran about that first one for a while. You do not want to hear that.

[43:31] Jesse McAnally: Oh, wait, I want to hear it now.

[43:32] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, you want to hear my rant about this song that is just blatantly fucking ridiculous to me.

[43:37] Jesse McAnally: Yes, please rant.

[43:39] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, here we go. I I'm retrospective of a woman who actually likes baseball a lot. I go to baseball games, I watch it with my partner. I watch it with my family. I enjoy baseball. But this is bullshit. Like, not all women hate baseball. Not all men want to watch it all the goddamn time. I know that's not the point of this song. She's talking about Joe, though. Like Joe was. She's talking about Joe, but then the rest of the wives come in and make it about all the men. It's like, oh my god. Yeah, but women don't like sports. Clearly, women hate sports. This is the 50s. The only thing women like doing is getting pregnant and having babies and making new food.

[44:21] Jesse McAnally: Exactly.

[44:24] Andrew DeWolf: Like, I don't understand. This is a from the perspective of people in the 50s where women didn't like sports and they did the cooking and got pregnant. Like, I get it. I get it. But like, it doesn't hold up. It's stupid. I like baseball. I shouldn't be disparaged for it. This is stupid song.

[44:43] Jesse McAnally: So wait, wait, wait, wait. I wanna you feel disparaged by Meg because you like baseball.

[44:48] Andrew DeWolf: No, no. I feel disparaged by the concept of someone writing this. I don't feel disparaged by Meg. I understand her frustration, like having a guy who's like always watching sports and ignoring you. I get it. Some guys are like that. I just don't have that experience personally. So I agree. I understand it. These lyrics are so ridiculous. They're stupid as fuck. I'm just ranting about the idea of it because it's just annoys me. I just think it's uh it's it's it's a stereotypical type thing where they're doing the 50s sitcom. I get that.

[45:17] Andrew DeWolf: It's just irritating. Andrew, you can cut all this out if you want.

[45:21] Jesse McAnally: No, keep it in.

[45:22] Andrew DeWolf: Polly pointless. I can do whatever I want.

[45:23] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, Andrew can keep it in a mic cut it out. Andrew, you can cut out everything I say in this podcast, and I have no idea. I don't listen to it a hundred percent of the time.

[45:30] Andrew DeWolf: I rarely cut out anything you say, but it doubles it and makes it louder.

[45:35] Jesse McAnally: Um for that double it, make it louder, echo, uh, foghorn. I love it. I'm on the Vivuzelas. Uh but you know, yeah. This is it's it's it's like outside of me being mad at it for like the contents, it's a stupid fun song. Like I don't hate it completely. I just was initially mad when it started. It was like fuck this.

[45:56] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, understandably. But this is a gamer rant. I'm I'm going gamer. I'm so sorry. But these lyrics, like, I'm actually reading what they're saying. Cause sometimes when a song happens, the words just wash over you and you're kind of just there.

[46:08] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[46:09] Andrew DeWolf: Six months out of every year. We cook for them. It never pays. Instead of praising our gulash, they're appraising the plays of Mill Willie Mays. It's it's very dumb. Very dumb. It's a very dumb song.

[46:25] Jesse McAnally: Alright, goodbye, old girl.

[46:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, let's okay that yeah, let's move on.

[46:34] Andrew DeWolf: Goodbye, old girl.

[46:40] ♪ Musical number: "Goodbye, Old Girl" — performed by Andrew DeWolf ♪

[47:27] Andrew DeWolf: But my old girl, I love you so this song is cute. I like it. I appreciated it. Like I appreciate because we see Joe and he just seems like it's Ornry Man, sick of his annoying wife, quote unquote. Like that's kind of the trope they were kind of I thought they were gonna follow through with. But he immediately is just like singing about how much he loves his wife, and he's just doing this weird thing, but he still loves his wife. It's really strange because again, Joe, who is our main character, essentially has no character arc whatsoever. So it's weird that this show still works so well. Like partially, like, would the show I honestly think the show would be worse if he was like this per curmudgeon that's like oh my nasty wife always in the way, uh, doesn't understand me, and then he misses her and realizes how much he does like that would be like such a lane.

[48:21] Jesse McAnally: That's the story, right?

[48:22] Andrew DeWolf: You're so the character is supposed to be like, ah, whatever. I mean, playing baseball sounds way more fun anyways. And then he's like, Oh my goodness, wait a second. I actually I really miss her, and like blah blah blah. And then that would be like a lot of things. Like, I love my wife. I'm gonna play baseball. I'll get back to her later.

[48:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[48:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. It's still a bit of an odd decision, but he yeah, he clearly isn't doing it because he hates his wife, which is what you would expect.

[48:46] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[48:47] Andrew DeWolf: Like that's that's like the Fred Flintstone version.

[48:50] Jesse McAnally: Yes. Liz, I have to say this or else someone in the comments will.

[48:55] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[48:56] Andrew DeWolf: Um, hey, did you know that the Archie Bunker's wife is one of the like B sisters in the background in one scene? Or two scenes? Oh, anyway. Yeah, that's it. You brought up Archie Bunker, so I'm like, well now I gotta bring that up.

[49:04] Liz Eston: Okay.

[49:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I had to just spit that out so no one else could like chime in. Like, hey, did you know? Did you know? Did you see her? I'm like, yes, I saw her. She's one of the most identifiable face I've ever seen on a human. It's like 101 things you didn't know of in Fortnite videos that are like hundreds of them online, probably. Um, but yeah, my my favorite part about Good Bio Girl is the transition from old man to young man and where he walks off stage and suddenly he's young, but he keeps finishes the song as he young man. That is such good shorthand to communicate. Same guy, same emotions, different actor.

[49:44] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. I I really like that. But speaking of things we all love, Andrew, you spoke very highly of heart earlier. I don't think we need to really retread that. It's fun, it's great, it's wonderful.

[49:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yep. Um, let's talk about shoeless Joe from Hannibal Moe.

[50:02] Jesse McAnally: Shootest Joe!

[50:03] Andrew DeWolf: Hannibal Moe. And that's my story, fellas. And I got a feeling it's only the beginning. Who came along in a puff of smoke? Shootest jump from Pannible Moe. Strong has the heart of a Mikey. Oh, shoot, jump from Pannible Moe. Shoot us, Joe from Hannibal Moe! Just where the future was looking bad! Shooters jump from Hannibal Moe came along to be with us today. With arms of steel like Hercule. Feed us fleet us, Marcury! Come fight for us, too, right for us. You'll be you beacon, like for us. He shoot us jump from Hannibal Mo!

[50:49] Andrew DeWolf: I love this song. It's just a little weird that they pronounce the abbreviation for Montana as Mo. Yeah, I know it's a blaming thing, but like. I mean, I'd probably say Montana.

[51:01] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, me too.

[51:04] Andrew DeWolf: But it's a 50s. We talk fast, and we're all uh news reporters. Yeah. I get why they did it, but it's a little weird. Um this is a good song, though. This is really fucking catchy. I I've been humming it. I love it. Um in the Encourse production, the lady that did it was amazing. But I just weep for what we could have had because Anna Gastire was supposed to play that role until like a few weeks beforehand, and she would have been incredible, right?

[51:30] Jesse McAnally: She'd been so good.

[51:32] Andrew DeWolf: Um I want her to play every mouthy talking back, fast talking like uh uh reporter from the 50s.

[51:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Also, while I was like watching the song, I was like, how did shoeless Joe Jackson, the actual guy get his name? Because it might be the same as this song. And it actually kind of is. So yeah.

[51:50] Andrew DeWolf: I think it's I mean, it is just a direct reference.

[51:52] Jesse McAnally: I mean, it's a direct reference to shoe less Joe Jackson, the actual baseball player who was kicked out of the league for um uh rigging the game via mobsters.

[52:01] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, so it's just like our Joe Hardy who rigged the game via the devil.

[52:05] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but he got paid $5,000 in 1920 to not win the World Series.

[52:11] Andrew DeWolf: What would that translate to today's money?

[52:13] Jesse McAnally: 22. I gotta decide whether or not that's worth it for me.

[52:16] Andrew DeWolf: Uh I think it's about uh $84,000 in 2022.

[52:22] Jesse McAnally: You know, I take that. I'd do that.

[52:24] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. But yeah, basically Shoeless Joe Jackson was playing a game as a kid, and his cleats he had blisters so bad he couldn't wear his cleats, so he got he someone yelled at him, you shootless son of a gun you, and that's where he got his name.

[52:38] Jesse McAnally: Oh, so it wasn't because he became a young man from being an old man and his shoes didn't fit anymore.

[52:43] Andrew DeWolf: He could have, and Wikipedia's lying to me. Cause I have it on good authority that shoe was Joe. And that's why he got kicked out of the league, and not because he got bribed by a mobster.

[52:56] Jesse McAnally: You know, they sort of reference it, don't they? At the end, at the end of uh when when he runs off, so he can't he doesn't get seen as an old man. They speculate in the movie at least that he got killed by the mob because the mob had bet a lot on the other team.

[53:10] Andrew DeWolf: That's true. Wow, what an upbeat reference. If you want to learn more about that hist that uh Julie Joe Jackson thing, it's on the baseball episode of Drunk History, if you want to not read.

[53:21] Jesse McAnally: So oh yes, whoever Lola wants.

[53:41] Andrew DeWolf: And little man, little Lola wants you. Make up your mind to have no regrets. I always get what I'm for. And your heart and soul is what I can for. Whatever Lola wants Lola gets I used to fight?

[54:29] Jesse McAnally: Don't you know you can't win.

[54:35] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, whatever Lola wants, we just whatever Lola wants.

[54:39] Jesse McAnally: What the fuck is with the accent? Like what is going on here?

[54:45] Andrew DeWolf: Um It's the only thing that you have to like, I feel like we have to say why. Why the accent? Because I guess she wanted to play a character. Maybe she like is working on some improv character work done at UCB. I don't know.

[54:59] Jesse McAnally: Well, she was playing a South American dancer named Senorita Lolita Banana.

[55:05] Andrew DeWolf: I just want my last name to be banana. She's actual name of a drag queen, like not even drinking. So post or at like before this or um way after this. I have no idea. She's from France, so like I don't know. She's on Drag Race France.

[55:19] Jesse McAnally: I just I just can't believe it didn't work. Like that Joe wasn't seduced by Senorita Lolita Banana.

[55:24] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, I would such a sexy name. I mean, also the sexy movements where I I'm not even quite sure what it is, but it feels inhuman in all the right ways. It stands alone with just the context of like something not human trying to seduce something human, but not understanding how the human body works. I love that idea so much, and it comes through in every facet of the dancing. Um Verton's having a blast. Um as well as Jane Kurkowski in her rendition of Fosse's original choreography to the like to the step is incredible. Both performances. If you see anyone perform the song and do the original Fosse choreography, it is a fucking treat to watch beginning to end.

[56:07] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Do they still do that choreography?

[56:09] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, yeah. No one. There's there's no way to not do it. It's like the most perfect version of it. Like I mean, just because a version's perfect doesn't mean somebody won't come along and try to change it.

[56:20] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[56:20] Andrew DeWolf: I'm sure like Swords Shakespeare once, so like it happens.

[56:24] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it was called West Side Story.

[56:26] Andrew DeWolf: No, it was called Romeo and Juliet. It was written by Julian Fellows. He just rewrote it completely. It was very weird. Wouldn't recommend it.

[56:35] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Speaking of Weird for Weird's sake, let's talk about who's got the pain.

[56:49] ♪ Musical number: "Who's Got the Pain" ♪

[57:45] Jesse McAnally: I don't understand. I don't get it. Why is this song even here?

[57:50] Andrew DeWolf: I think because in the stage version it was at the end of Act 1, but for the revival, they now put it at the start of Act Two.

[57:58] Jesse McAnally: Thank God, honestly.

[58:00] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[58:00] Jesse McAnally: Can you imagine this being the Act One closer of any show?

[58:04] Andrew DeWolf: Well, it wasn't exactly the Act One closer. So it would come right before the kind of reveal that he is Shifty McGee or whatever his name was.

[58:14] Jesse McAnally: I mean, I think that's it, honestly.

[58:16] Andrew DeWolf: So yeah, so that it kind of ends on a book scene, but this is just kind of the last song that happens. Um but I also think the game is a much better opening to act two than Who's Got the Pain. Like the game feels like the most perfect act two opener song.

[58:33] Jesse McAnally: I just don't understand why Who's Got the Pain is even in here.

[58:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[58:37] Jesse McAnally: Like, what's the point?

[58:39] Andrew DeWolf: Um, because Gwen Verdon's names over the title, and we need to give her more things to do.

[58:44] Jesse McAnally: Uh I just I I'm sure there's tons of people that love this song, but I still just I do not understand it. I don't like it. I find it pretty annoying. Erp. I don't get it. Also, his name is Shifty McCoy, so you were actually close.

[58:59] Andrew DeWolf: I was very close. Um But Andrew, in the Thank you so much. Andrew, in the movie, did you notice who the dancer was in Who's Got the Pain?

[59:09] Jesse McAnally: You said it earlier. I mean, you've already got it. You already told us at the top of the podcast. But did you see? Did you notice it when you first watched, though?

[59:16] Andrew DeWolf: I did. Mostly because I knew, like, I remembered from the the show as well. He also has like the most identifiable hairline, but there's they added that moment where he does that. Um where he's like, they're letting me dance. They're finally letting me dance on camera. And I'm just like, that wasn't scripted. That's just how you feel right now. Um, and he's not a presence. Like, he really is kind of like a charisma hole that everything falls into. Yeah, he can kind of dance well, but the I I don't get it. I don't get the appeal.

[59:52] Jesse McAnally: Um, let's talk about Those are the good old days. Applegate's one song in the entire show.

[1:00:21] ♪ Musical number: "Those Were the Good Old Days" ♪

[1:01:17] Jesse McAnally: I think it's fine. It's it's a little racist.

[1:01:20] Andrew DeWolf: Uh I don't remember. You're gonna have to refresh my memory on that one.

[1:01:23] Jesse McAnally: Well, remember being the movie very clearly shows like very racist depictions of like quote unquote savages eating the missionary.

[1:01:34] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

[1:01:37] Jesse McAnally: Okay, that's not in the revival version.

[1:01:39] Andrew DeWolf: That's what I was thinking. That's not an Encores. Right?

[1:01:42] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but like, yeah, at Encore's the lyrics are there, but not the visuals. Like, look at look at what I'm showing you right here. Those are the good old days. Those are the good old days, guys.

[1:01:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Uh describe what we're looking at, please.

[1:01:56] Jesse McAnally: Okay, um. Well, you're gonna have to go back, but it was uh basically uh imagine what a what a white supremacist would think when you said the word Native American. Native American. Um that is that is Oh wait, hold on, look at that. The missionary being eaten alive.

[1:02:16] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the cannibal tribe.

[1:02:19] Jesse McAnally: Cannibal tribe um is here. So this it's like it's like uh yeah, cannibal hallway wrote this song. Not the best, but the song's catchy enough. I just, you know, don't love those parts. Couldn't do that today.

[1:02:36] Andrew DeWolf: Shouldn't do that today. No one should do that any didn't any day.

[1:02:39] Jesse McAnally: You know what? Fair enough. Shouldn't we have done it then? Shouldn't have done that.

[1:02:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, they knew it was wrong. But now should never have done it. The question is, if that 2009 movie got made, do you think they'd still do it?

[1:02:50] Jesse McAnally: Hell no, maybe.

[1:02:51] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Jim Carrey would have leaned in. He would have done he would have done impressions. You know, you know what I've been realizing? A ton of like 90s comedy was just comedians rapidly doing like rapid fire racist impressions.

[1:03:06] Jesse McAnally: Robin Williams, especially.

[1:03:07] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah.

[1:03:08] Jesse McAnally: I'm sorry, Robin Williams fans. I know he's like the most wholesome person ever, but like those impressions, like most of them were just racial stereotypes. And he was just like rapid firing them.

[1:03:23] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Wild thing. Unrelated, but you have the context for this, Andrew. I watched a documentary on the Star Wars holiday special today, and apparently, um, they were trying there's like a fight between like the old guard and the new guard of who wants the old people, you know, like Harvey Corman and all these other fucking acts, and they're like, can we try to get someone new that the kids might actually like to watch?

[1:03:47] Jesse McAnally: And one of the writers went out uh to just random comedy club to see if he could find someone he found Robin Williams two weeks before he started Mork and Mindy, and he was very interested to join the Star Wars universe, and they're like, no one knows who he is.

[1:04:01] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no.

[1:04:02] Jesse McAnally: Star Wars holiday special could have been even weirder and even more sought after, and maybe a little racist. I like to imagine Rab Williams would have played like the horny person that was seducing Chewbacca's.

[1:04:15] Andrew DeWolf: He would have played the Julia Child fucking five-arm monster thing.

[1:04:18] Jesse McAnally: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would have he would have rapid fired like uh an Indian accent into a gay voice, like immediately. And the joke has no punchline.

[1:04:31] Andrew DeWolf: That's Robin Williams. He never had punchlines.

[1:04:34] Jesse McAnally: In my head, can he's still the seduction lady on the computer. I feel like this is maybe this is maybe the most controversial thing we've ever done, and we're we're we're just out here saying it. Everyone loves Robin Williams. Nobody ever talks about this.

[1:04:49] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[1:04:50] Jesse McAnally: What are we gonna do? Cancel his grave? What do you want us to do?

[1:04:54] Andrew DeWolf: Nothing. You don't have to do anything. I just want to talk about it. A lot of people think that critiques mean there must be action. You don't have to do anything.

[1:05:01] Jesse McAnally: No, I don't care. Playing something out. Just like it is um for damn Yankees, just pointing it out. Can't fix it. Weird thing that it happened. But that's fine. You know what else is fine? Our our cheese ratings. What is our overall thoughts and our cheese ratings? Andrew, start us off.

[1:05:19] Andrew DeWolf: Oh man. Um I I actually really liked it. Uh honestly. This is like I didn't expect to like it. This is one of those ones where I was like, this is probably gonna be really boring and slow. And it kind of wasn't. It still didn't make a ton of sense to me, and it felt like the rules were kind of just like slapped together in like five seconds, and they they were making it up as they went. But there's something about watching uh watching a bunch of theater kids try to pretend to play sports, you know? It's it's really great. Um, so I recommend it. Uh damn Yankees, pretty good. I'm gonna give it a uh a cheese, a cheese covered uh ballpark hot dog.

[1:06:07] Jesse McAnally: I love it. Um Liz, what is your overall thought?

[1:06:10] Liz Eston: Uh I I actually enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I would, uh, despite my very long overly overly long rantings about the first song. Um I I managed to got past it. It was like, oh, this is actually cute. I actually kind of enjoy this. It's like it's fun, it doesn't feel too long. It the songs are the hongs are fun, and honestly, watching theater kids try to figure out what baseball is adds another level of comedy. Like, how do you score points in baseball? It's like, okay, theater kids, just figure it out. You got this. Good job, guys. Um it's very funny. Like that little meta part of it. Um, so I enjoyed it. Um, I'm going to give this a fried chicken sandwich with a slice of cheese on it that I like to get when I go at a baseball game sometimes.

[1:07:01] Jesse McAnally: Hell yeah. Um, one thing I do want to say about the movie, a thing that I really appreciated that you would not see in any other production. The baseball players look like baseball players. They look like ruggedy old fucking white men that yeah.

[1:07:16] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Kind of uh as that review to like some of the ugliest people ever. They like specifically got someone who looks like Babe Ruth as well, like to be one of the baseball players, which I like. Um that is a nice touch that I know if we got this today, it would be like eight twinks.

[1:07:33] Jesse McAnally: Oh yeah, maybe twinks. Um, all fucking Andrew Randall's clones playing the baseball players. And the only people who can sing are beautiful people. Only beautiful people can sing. Like look at pop music. That's that's how it works. Um, yeah, um, I like this fine. I feel like I'm not as enthusiastic about it as you guys. Um, but I I I did enjoy it quite a bit. Um when Lola comes in, the show does kind of get up to another notch. There is just a lot of like boring dialogue scenes between Joe and the devil though, and just lying scenes where it's just like Joe's like befuddled about having to like keep up with all these stories and all that, which you know, it gets a little repetitive at a certain point, but I I I wasn't totally out of it.

Um, so I'm giving this a big ol' cup of beer cheese, fresh from uh freshly made for a pretzel to dive into. Um thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on iTunes Spotify Stitcher at Musicals with Cheese. On Twitter. Oh fuck, Stitcher doesn't exist. You'll never get this. You'll never use how to mention. People will continue to try to follow us on Stitcher for the rest of time. And there's like five other podcast hosts that we're on. We're on Google Podcast, and I know that's gonna die in a few months. And about like YouTube as podcasts, literally, if you want to listen to our episodes like on YouTube, they're all there on the BPN fucking YouTube page. You get like three views, which is great.

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[1:09:41] Liz Eston: Oh, I just oh, it's fine. I don't have anything else to say that I can think of.

[1:09:47] Jesse McAnally: Alright, how about you, Andrew?

[1:09:49] Andrew DeWolf: Do I have anything to add? Yeah. No. Baseball. Baseball. You know, this is the musical Evan Hansen's dad thought he was in. Sports are okay. Yeah. Go Red Sox. Um. Okay. Okay. You know how Devin Hanson Evan Hansen's Devin Hanson Devin Hanson. Devin Hanson Hanson is the handsome. Devin Handsome is like the asylum version of Evan Hanson. My name is Devin Hansome. Queer Devin Hansom. Um, no, Evan Hanson's dad doesn't exist. What they didn't know is he turned himself young to play all the baseball games that's how he got up. That's where he went. That's replying to the text messages in the movie. There's not another truck in the driveway to turn your dad into a 24 year old and go play baseball. No, I swear, Evan, that's what happened. Yeah, I swear. Alright. We'll see you next time on musicals with cheese. You gotta have that was awful.