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[0:05] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally.

[0:08] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm Andrew DeWolf.

[0:10] Jesse McAnally: And I'm Liz Eston. And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, a podcast where I try to get Andrew and Liz to like musical theater, gabago.

[0:19] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I don't know.

[0:21] Jesse McAnally: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna attempt the accent.

[0:23] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[0:25] Jesse McAnally: But no one will marry me. So like, what the fuck's going on with my life?

[0:29] Andrew DeWolf: Well, well, Andrew, you want to place a bet.

[0:32] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah?

[0:33] Jesse McAnally: What do we, uh, what are we betting on?

[0:34] Andrew DeWolf: That Liz will get married eventually.

[0:37] Jesse McAnally: And I'm putting $1,000 on it.

[0:42] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, well, I will wait.

[0:42] Andrew DeWolf: Should I do, do I take that bet?

[0:47] Jesse McAnally: That's mean.

[0:48] Andrew DeWolf: Isn't that mean to take that?

[0:50] Jesse McAnally: I've been in a relationship for a long time. It's not that mean.

[0:55] Andrew DeWolf: Well.

[0:56] Jesse McAnally: Well, if I took the bet, I would be betting that you won't get married, right?

[1:00] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah, that is me.

[1:03] Jesse McAnally: Wow. You know, this musical really makes you think about empathy, doesn't it? And other people's autonomy.

[1:10] Andrew DeWolf: How about this, Jess? How about this?

[1:14] Andrew DeWolf: Alright. Uh, I bet that if I win this dice roll, you have to go to church.

[1:23] Jesse McAnally: What?

[1:27] Andrew DeWolf: He just spit on you.

[1:30] Jesse McAnally: No joke.

[1:33] Andrew DeWolf: You just did an actual spit take. He has to go clean that up.

[1:37] Jesse McAnally: There's a rug in there.

[1:43] Andrew DeWolf: I have a hardwood floor.

[1:45] Jesse McAnally: Um, yes. Um, comedy. You'll, you missed out on that one if you weren't on Patreon.

[1:51] Jesse McAnally: This week, we are talking about the classic musical, Guys and Dolls.

[1:57] Andrew DeWolf: Key to the music.

[1:59] Jesse McAnally: Stick with me, baby. I'm the fellow you came in with.

[2:03] Andrew DeWolf: Luck me, lady.

[2:06] Jesse McAnally: Luck me a lady.

[2:09] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady tonight.

[2:14] Jesse McAnally: Luck be a lady tonight.

[2:17] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady tonight.

[2:21] Jesse McAnally: If you've ever been a lady to begin with, be a lady tonight.

[2:28] Jesse McAnally: So let's talk about Guys and Dolls. This is one of our most requested episodes, so fucking sit up straight, kids. We better not fuck this one up.

[2:35] Andrew DeWolf: Um boy. We're really rolling the dice on this one.

[2:41] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, we really are. For context, Andrew and Liz both watched a 2009 revival version.

[2:49] Jesse McAnally: I watched that as well as the Frank Sinatra Marlon Brando movie. Um, which I love watching the old movies. I feel like I tend to fall on the sword for that one a lot, but I really do get a kick out of watching these old films um from the beginning of, you know, the 20th century.

[3:08] Andrew DeWolf: I think the film's pretty fun. I'm not gonna lie. Part of me was like, damn, I should have just had them watch this. This is goofy.

[3:15] Jesse McAnally: I so, it sounds good. Um, it's got Frank Sinatra and Marlon Brando.

[3:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's what we watched.

[3:24] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. You can tell he's trying to be slowly becoming English periodically. It's like a fuck, I'm Italian and I'm an American. Fuck. Mama. Mama B.

[3:35] Andrew DeWolf: There are real Italians, but it's just interesting how very little fuck Sinatra's giving throughout the entire film.

[3:42] Jesse McAnally: He looks like he lost a bet to be in that film.

[3:47] Andrew DeWolf: Where Brando, I won't say that he's putting too much pretty paprika on the meal, but he's definitely, he's been okay.

[3:56] Jesse McAnally: I've heard the stories of Brando in this role, like where he's like, he's so miscast. He's like Russell Crowe bad.

[4:01] Andrew DeWolf: No, he is not.

[4:04] Jesse McAnally: Yes, he is not as good as everyone else.

[4:07] Andrew DeWolf: No, he is not a professional singer. But damn it if the energy and vibe isn't there for Sky, like, he fits because he's just like too cool for school, and he has that movie star, like, I can fuck whoever I want vibe to him, and it's fine.

[4:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Marlon Brando's probably a real asshole in real life.

[4:25] Jesse McAnally: Uh, see, every interaction anyone's ever had with him for that.

[4:29] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, these two hated each other, apparently.

[4:32] Jesse McAnally: Um, that makes sense. Because apparently they were both up for the lead on On the Waterfront, and Sinatra lost the lead on On the Waterfront.

[4:43] Andrew DeWolf: Good.

[4:45] Jesse McAnally: Was that before they filmed the movie?

[4:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[4:48] Jesse McAnally: It was before. Yeah.

[4:49] Andrew DeWolf: That's why I'm not sure.

[4:50] Jesse McAnally: Oh my god, they had to be like, I don't like you. And then they cast each other as like co-leads.

[4:56] Andrew DeWolf: That's ridiculous.

[4:58] Jesse McAnally: I will say, as co-leads, they don't interact very much. They kind of have their own stories going on, and then they kind of meet up for like that final scene.

[5:07] Andrew DeWolf: But here's a quote from, here's a quote from a critic. Sorry, Andrew. It's here's a quote from a critic about what, uh, Jay Joe Mankowitz, uh, heard Frank Sinatra say of Brando in rehearsals. Quote, "When Mumbles is through rehearsing, I'll come out."

[5:18] Andrew DeWolf: Mumbles.

[5:24] Jesse McAnally: He does mumble through the songs. Can't even disagree with that.

[5:28] Andrew DeWolf: Um, that lore for a minute. I was charmed a little bit by Brando as Sky. Like, he's this kind of enigmatic weirdo that wanders into the movie out of nowhere.

[5:43] Jesse McAnally: And okay. Who is Sky to Nathan? Like, is it, are they just gambling buddies? Is that it?

[5:49] Andrew DeWolf: It's, uh, I think it's more of a person he's heard rumors about, like, you know, like a local celeb. Like, not someone you've actually spoken to or hung out with, but it's like, I heard that guy once bet on raindrops.

[6:02] Jesse McAnally: So it's just like a famous local gambler, and that's about it.

[6:06] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's just kind of a well-off local guy that bets on weird shit. Like, we all had like that weird person in local pe, like, oh, he walks up and down the street every day for no particular reason and screams at bats. Like, there's always that kind of person, and he's like, well, I'm in a bind, so I'm gonna talk to this fucking weirdo.

[6:28] Jesse McAnally: Okay, so we gotta, we gotta tell the, say the plot here.

[6:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, go for it.

[6:32] Jesse McAnally: This is from 1950, and everyone probably already knows it, but we're gonna explain it. So there, as we've already said, there's two guys. There's Nathan and there's Sky. Uh, Nathan runs a craps game, um, but he, uh, needs a location for it.

[6:49] Andrew DeWolf: I think his either the old location is now charging him a thousand dollars, or he lost the old location and he needs a new one.

[6:57] Jesse McAnally: Run out by the law from the old location, and he's able to find this new place that's willing to take the risk, but they want a thousand dollars to take that risk.

[7:07] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[7:08] Jesse McAnally: So he needs a thousand dollars to pay, and he doesn't know how to get it. So what he does is he goes to this other guy to bet that he can take this, uh, very uptight religious, uh, girl out on a date.

[7:25] Andrew DeWolf: Um, because I guess he thinks that that's a surefire bet. I mean, he does fail. Uh, but um, okay. So that's like the main, the main two guys and what they're trying to do.

[7:37] Andrew DeWolf: Well, I think you should bring up, uh, Nathan Detroit's wife.

[7:41] Jesse McAnally: Oh, Nathan's, so the two women are also leads.

[7:46] Andrew DeWolf: There's like four leads to this essentially, if you could kind of look at it that way.

[7:50] Jesse McAnally: Well, we can break it down into two categories: the guys and the dolls.

[7:54] Andrew DeWolf: It's true.

[7:55] Jesse McAnally: It's in the fucking title.

[7:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, literally. So Nathan Detroit's, um, fiancée, Adelaide, um, which I couldn't stop thinking about fucking Over the Garden Wall.

[8:07] Jesse McAnally: Adelaide, Adelaide, come on, enjoy the Adelaide Parade.

[8:14] Andrew DeWolf: On the way to Adelaide, Adelaide.

[8:17] Jesse McAnally: That's the only place I've ever heard that.

[8:19] Andrew DeWolf: I was thinking of the Blake Lively movie Age of Adelaide.

[8:22] Jesse McAnally: No, that's the Age of Adaline.

[8:24] Andrew DeWolf: I know, I could use an Adelaide while it's the key.

[8:29] Jesse McAnally: Okay, but Adelaide, um, she, uh, wants Nathan to stop gambling and marry her.

[8:37] Andrew DeWolf: Um, apparently. There's a lot of fun stuff that happens because apparently she has been lying to her mother the entire time and saying that they already are married and also they have five kids.

[8:49] Jesse McAnally: Five children.

[8:49] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and also he works at, uh, someplace as an assistant manager, um, and all this stuff, and I guess they're gonna see the mother soon, and like they have to figure out how to do that.

[9:02] Jesse McAnally: I don't even, there's some weirdness there.

[9:05] Andrew DeWolf: And he was gonna say, like, how am I supposed to tell my mother we're married? Backdate the letter.

[9:12] Jesse McAnally: And when they do get married, she's like, it doesn't take too long to have five children. We gotta get started.

[9:18] Andrew DeWolf: Holy fuck. Like, this is a proper comedy and all that, and I know there's some iffy like gender politics playing around here, but my god, Adelaide is such a fun character, and every time she is on stage, I am thrilled and overjoyed.

[9:34] Jesse McAnally: And that being said, I don't mind Sarah either.

[9:37] Andrew DeWolf: So Sarah is kind of, um, she's, she's sort of uptight-ish, um, but her whole thing is she is a missionary of sorts.

[9:50] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[9:51] Andrew DeWolf: Um, she wants to convert, um, sinners.

[9:55] Jesse McAnally: So specifically sinners. She doesn't want to just find any people on the street. She wants the worst of the worst of the sinners.

[10:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and she ends up getting what she wants because, um, Sky, um, through meeting her and actually falling in love with her because obviously this is a fucking musical. What did you think was gonna happen when they make a bet to go on a date? Like, come on.

[10:18] Jesse McAnally: Um, I want one for it to actually just go badly.

[10:23] Andrew DeWolf: Oh shit.

[10:24] Jesse McAnally: Oh shit.

[10:25] Andrew DeWolf: So, so Sky actually falls in love with her, and he goes and he gets all the gambling group to go to her mission at the end.

[10:35] Jesse McAnally: Don't forget she actually falls in love with him too after he gets her drunk without her knowing.

[10:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[10:41] Jesse McAnally: So don't do this. There isn't like people at home. There isn't like a lot else that happens. Like, most of the story is just this stuff kind of happening, like for two hours.

[10:54] Andrew DeWolf: It goes fast though. Like a lot of shows we watch, especially older shows.

[10:58] Jesse McAnally: Oh, it doesn't drag.

[11:01] Andrew DeWolf: And this one just moves.

[11:03] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, no, it's quick, but there's just, there's not a lot of plot.

[11:08] Andrew DeWolf: Like, there's not a lot of like events that happen. It's just kind of there's scenes where people talk about their relationship and they fall in love and blah blah blah.

[11:17] Jesse McAnally: And that's about it. The best version of the show is a 1992 revival starring Nathan Lane as Nathan Detroit.

[11:25] Andrew DeWolf: And that is where Nathan Lane got his name from, is from Guys and Dolls.

[11:30] Jesse McAnally: He took the name Nathan because he just liked it.

[11:33] Andrew DeWolf: Wait, what's his actual name?

[11:36] Jesse McAnally: Um, I'm about to find out, but I know his name, his birth name is not Nathan Lane.

[11:40] Andrew DeWolf: Joseph Lane is his true name.

[11:43] Jesse McAnally: And he took the name for real?

[11:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[11:46] Jesse McAnally: That's so funny.

[11:48] Andrew DeWolf: It is. That's incredible.

[11:49] Jesse McAnally: And you know who else was in that show with him as just like one of the guys, I believe it was, was it the one that isn't Nicely?

[11:57] Andrew DeWolf: Matthew Broderick?

[11:59] Jesse McAnally: No.

[11:59] Andrew DeWolf: J.K. Simmons, Oscar Award winner J.K. Simmons.

[12:02] Jesse McAnally: There's this.

[12:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yes. Like the concentrate on the game. The town's up to here with high players, the freaks in town.

[12:13] Jesse McAnally: Randy Bile Bates!

[12:16] Andrew DeWolf: I know I can make a fortune! Where can I have the game?

[12:20] Jesse McAnally: And there's this wonderful documentary about the making of the album, and you just see J.K. Simmons belting out these songs.

[12:28] Andrew DeWolf: And we all know what his voice sounds like, but he's using the upper register, which you don't really hear him use much to sing these songs, and he's still, he looks the fucking same as he always has.

[12:39] Jesse McAnally: Like not 30 years later, looks almost identical, and it's just you, you recognize him right away.

[12:47] Andrew DeWolf: The 92 production is the best production, if you're asking me, and sadly there's no real recordings of that one except for like the, you know, the arc, uh, the, the album, which is great.

[12:59] Jesse McAnally: The problem with this is the plot is light, but every other song is a banger that you've heard 900,000 times before in your life.

[13:07] Andrew DeWolf: This is one of those like older musicals, and I feel like with older musicals too, it's very common for like all of the songs to just become these pop staples.

[13:19] Jesse McAnally: I think it's because of the way pop music was done back then, where like you would have the musical, and then there would be somebody who makes a cover of the songs, and those become really pop.

[13:30] Andrew DeWolf: Like, we don't do that anymore. Like, when a modern musical comes out, there isn't like a pop version that also releases on the radio, at least not often.

[13:40] Jesse McAnally: He got a couple. Like Ariana Grande was famous for doing that.

[13:46] Andrew DeWolf: Like, she did a cover of "Popular" um from Wicked, and now she's starring in Wicked, and she also did "My Favorite Things," which became a very popular version of the, she singing.

[13:59] Jesse McAnally: I don't know if she covered it.

[14:01] Andrew DeWolf: She covered it in that, I believe.

[14:03] Jesse McAnally: Um, but "Popular" was very much a cover of popular.

[14:06] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but that's this is that's one example out of and Jason Robert Brown wrote her a song for her album called "Jason's Song," because you know, yeah, she didn't she never she never sang my favorite thing.

[14:22] Jesse McAnally: "Seven Rings" is the same iteration of it. It's like it's an entirely different song because she raps through half of it.

[14:31] Andrew DeWolf: So, but I guess that's a new cover of musical theater songs is sampling them. Cause then you have Gwen Stefani with "If I Were a Rich Girl," na na na na na.

[14:43] Jesse McAnally: Like would you is that the sample or is that like a remix? Or like a reinterpretation or something.

[14:49] Andrew DeWolf: Reinterpretation. Is that the word?

[14:52] Jesse McAnally: Oh, whatever legally is allowed.

[14:55] Andrew DeWolf: But you're right. We don't see like someone doing a cover of "Touch Me" from "Spring Awakening" and it hitting the top 50 billboard charts.

[15:04] Jesse McAnally: Or surprisingly, I think "Ring of Keys" would have been a popular one to do covers of, and no one has done it.

[15:11] Andrew DeWolf: Renee Rap, get on that.

[15:13] Jesse McAnally: Renee Rap, do a bunch of musical theater covers.

[15:16] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Or it's just not the way pop music works anymore.

[15:20] Jesse McAnally: Um, it's a different system. Yeah, like back then you would get like a lot of like famous covers of these music theater songs, and they would just get huge.

[15:31] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and now like they're just in the zeitgeist. Like everyone just knows them. Like they just yeah, those are just songs that just exist.

[15:38] Jesse McAnally: Because they just hop onto TikTok as it is, and then they don't need to be reinterpreted. It's like it's already popular as is.

[15:44] Andrew DeWolf: That's how "Six" got so big. Well, currently what's trending is a fucking song from "Shrek the Musical," which is wild, and that's trending outside the musical theater world.

[15:53] Jesse McAnally: Which one?

[15:54] Andrew DeWolf: I know it's today where it's like, "Are you there? God, God? It's me, Fionn." I hear that at least 45 times when scrolling through TikTok.

[16:01] Jesse McAnally: It might be my algorithm, but.

[16:03] Andrew DeWolf: Well, you won't be hearing it much in six months, so that's okay.

[16:07] Jesse McAnally: I mean, A, just because trends you're right, and B, because the government voted to shut down TikTok because oh my god, China's deciding our elections.

[16:15] Andrew DeWolf: No, we write our own elections.

[16:18] Jesse McAnally: Uh speaking of rigging our own elections, let's compare our opinions to those of the theater critics from the New York Times.

[16:25] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[16:28] Jesse McAnally: It's time for previews.

[16:33] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[16:35] Jesse McAnally: Ben Brantley.

[16:37] Andrew DeWolf: D We love him.

[16:39] Jesse McAnally: We we respect him.

[16:41] Andrew DeWolf: He has never had a bad opinion ever.

[16:44] Jesse McAnally: So can he have can he say mean things about something like "Guys and Dolls"?

[16:49] Andrew DeWolf: I feel like he can't.

[16:50] Jesse McAnally: Yes, Ben.

[16:52] Andrew DeWolf: Because all you have to do is insult the current interpretation and not the art itself.

[16:57] Jesse McAnally: Oh, so just be directly mean to only the people that made the revival.

[17:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[17:03] Jesse McAnally: Which is kind of what he did here. So let's take a look. This is from his review of the 2009 uh revival of "Guys and Dolls" by Ben Brantley.

[17:12] Andrew DeWolf: Certain words in certain contexts are best left unspoken. And just McNuff's uninspired new revival of "Guys and Dolls" of the Nederlander Theater.

[17:22] Jesse McAnally: That word happens to be chemistry.

[17:24] Andrew DeWolf: It is dropped with a thud and a shatter and hovers for the rest of the evening like a neon-lighted reproach.

[17:30] Jesse McAnally: Chemistry, says Sarah Brown, Kate Jennings Grant. The rigid salvation army officer with a dropped jaw and a gotta be kidding italics.

[17:38] Andrew DeWolf: She has just been told by the handsome gambler, Sky Masterson's Craig Bierko, that the love is something that can't be planned or anticipated.

[17:47] Jesse McAnally: Miss Brown is having none of this radical concept. Oh Sarah Sarah, I do so know where you're coming from. Chemistry is something you don't understand until you experience it.

[17:57] Andrew DeWolf: With all the attendant happy chills and dizziness. And honey, there ain't no chemistry in your show.

[18:03] Jesse McAnally: Not between two pairs of leading lovers, or between the singers and their songs, or the actors and their parts.

[18:09] Andrew DeWolf: The entire weight, man.

[18:12] Jesse McAnally: He went full drag race there at the end. Honey, you doing no chemistry if it bit you on the ass.

[18:22] Andrew DeWolf: Just legitimately rude. This interpolated material has the effect of putting us distancing frame around everything that follows.

[18:29] Jesse McAnally: The emphasis on concept over character, a fatal mistake with "Guys and Dolls."

[18:34] Andrew DeWolf: No wonder everybody looks so ill at ease. They've been straight jacketed it by quotation marks.

[18:41] Jesse McAnally: That's that's a classic.

[18:43] Andrew DeWolf: That's a classic Ben Brantley what the fuck are you talking about, man?

[18:48] Jesse McAnally: Straight jacketed. So is he saying they're trying to be too faithful?

[18:51] Andrew DeWolf: They're too close to the script, so they're not like going outside of it. I feel like I wish he would just say what he meant.

[18:58] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, literally at least once. Be direct.

[19:01] Andrew DeWolf: Sometimes he does. Sometimes I feel like he just doesn't know what he wants to say, so he says words on a page.

[19:12] Jesse McAnally: And other times it's just gibberish. Should we talk about just like the vague gender politics in the show?

[19:19] Andrew DeWolf: Probably.

[19:20] Jesse McAnally: Just like vaguely mention it.

[19:21] Andrew DeWolf: Go for it, Andrew. All yours.

[19:23] Jesse McAnally: Ball in your course.

[19:24] Andrew DeWolf: I don't have like a lot to say, because I don't really think I know, but I can just I can just sense it from watching it that there's like a very kind of it's like almost a subconscious sexism to the show.

[19:40] Jesse McAnally: Nothing is overt. Like there's no, it doesn't feel overt, but there's this like just kind of boomerism to it, you know?

[19:48] Andrew DeWolf: Or you could just you could just tell there's like an underlying sexism in there at some at some level.

[19:54] Jesse McAnally: There's a very big take my wife, please, and oh, I wish I didn't have to get married, or you tricked me into getting married.

[20:01] Andrew DeWolf: Like the main conflict for Nathan Detroit is he does not want to marry the woman he's been engaged to for 14 years.

[20:07] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, which is like, and he's not even like he's framed as like wrong, but not that wrong.

[20:14] Andrew DeWolf: Like, it's not like what he was doing is that bad, you know? It's just kind of like he needs to change his mind.

[20:19] Jesse McAnally: It's like an Al Bundy, like, you get it, fellas, don't ya?

[20:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[20:24] Jesse McAnally: It's just like, I don't think I get it. Why wouldn't you want to marry this woman? That seems lovely.

[20:31] Andrew DeWolf: Well, when we first meet her, like, one of the first things she's like, we're engaged, Nathan, we gotta get married. And then like it's immediately read as annoying to the audience, and he's in the right because we've already met him.

[20:43] Jesse McAnally: It's like, oh, how dare this woman beg for marriage when they've been engaged for over a decade? Like, come on.

[20:48] Andrew DeWolf: What's wrong? It's literally like, take my wife, please.

[20:54] Jesse McAnally: Oh my god. Please, oh my god. Oh my god, I don't want to marry this bitch, but I don't want to tell her.

[20:59] Andrew DeWolf: And they don't unpack that, and they don't unpack the very obvious crippling gambling addiction everyone has.

[21:07] Jesse McAnally: They tackle it. They all get over it by going to church.

[21:11] Andrew DeWolf: God saves the game.

[21:12] Jesse McAnally: But if they sing that one song, then everything's fine.

[21:14] Andrew DeWolf: They don't want to gamble anymore. And also it turns out that gambling can be good because he gambled to get them to go to church.

[21:24] Jesse McAnally: He gambled for love.

[21:25] Andrew DeWolf: So we got a wife out of it.

[21:26] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, so really gambling is the hero here.

[21:31] Andrew DeWolf: Just like Molly's game, gambling saves the day.

[21:36] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I mean, I I don't I don't think that any of these like things ruin it or anything like that. It's just kind of like a it's like an undertone that's just like there.

[21:46] Andrew DeWolf: You know, you can just like this was made in 1950.

[21:52] Jesse McAnally: Alright.

[21:52] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[21:53] Jesse McAnally: Oh, sorry, Liz.

[21:54] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, you're fine.

[21:55] Jesse McAnally: You're fine.

[21:55] Andrew DeWolf: You go ahead.

[21:56] Jesse McAnally: Well, I think it's time for the best part of the show. It's time for the letterbox game, one star, five star.

[22:03] Andrew DeWolf: Um, or Liz picked out and curated real letterbox reviews of the "Guys and Dolls" film, and we have to guess based on the review alone, whether they're a one-star or a five-star.

[22:14] Jesse McAnally: And Andrew, I bet you $1,000 I'm gonna win this.

[22:19] Andrew DeWolf: Scouts Honor, I have not looked at any of the reviews.

[22:24] Jesse McAnally: Do you accept this bet?

[22:26] Andrew DeWolf: Don't don't. I don't think I can. I don't have a thousand dollars to give you.

[22:33] Jesse McAnally: Andrew, I will what what is it the thing that they give each other? Like the Can I give you an IOU?

[22:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I I will take your IOU on the guard that you are a gentleman and will live by it if you will accept my IOU.

[22:50] Jesse McAnally: Okay. Yes. This is so sweet. We're betting IOUs, I guess.

[22:55] Andrew DeWolf: We're betting sheets of the game.

[22:56] Jesse McAnally: Nobody will ever be extreme.

[22:59] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady tonight.

[23:01] Jesse McAnally: Indeed. Alright. Who wants to go first?

[23:04] Andrew DeWolf: I'll let you two hash it out.

[23:06] Jesse McAnally: I'll go first.

[23:06] Andrew DeWolf: I'll go first.

[23:08] Jesse McAnally: Oh.

[23:09] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew can go first.

[23:11] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Andrew.

[23:12] Andrew DeWolf: Jessica go first.

[23:13] Jesse McAnally: God damn it. Alright, Andrew. I'm committing to the bit. Lucky a lady tonight.

[23:18] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, I'll go.

[23:20] Jesse McAnally: Alright.

[23:21] Andrew DeWolf: Single-handedly set my standard for romance at the age of seven.

[23:25] Jesse McAnally: What your standard for romance is you don't want to marry your uh fiance of 14 years. I'm concerned about this user.

[23:32] Andrew DeWolf: Um, we're gonna say that that's a five.

[23:36] Jesse McAnally: Then like, come on.

[23:37] Andrew DeWolf: Correct. Good job, Andrew.

[23:41] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Jess, are you ready?

[23:43] Andrew DeWolf: I am.

[23:44] Jesse McAnally: Gazoon type.

[23:45] Andrew DeWolf: That's it.

[23:46] Jesse McAnally: That's a five. They're quoting the movie.

[23:49] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Frank Sinatra says that every couple of minutes, like, uh, gazontight.

[23:54] Jesse McAnally: Alright. Andrew.

[23:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[23:57] Jesse McAnally: Watching Marlon Brando dance and sing is a whole different experience, though.

[24:01] Andrew DeWolf: I can tell I can tell you that.

[24:04] Jesse McAnally: Alright, mumbles.

[24:06] Andrew DeWolf: Um, that's gotta be a one.

[24:08] Jesse McAnally: That is a one. Nice.

[24:09] Andrew DeWolf: I was like, a lot of these reviews are just how hot Marlon Brando is in this movie, and I have not seen it, but I don't believe it.

[24:16] Jesse McAnally: He's a lot of things in that movie. Hot is not one of them.

[24:18] Andrew DeWolf: People are horny for this man.

[24:21] Jesse McAnally: Hold on, we're not Marlon Brando.

[24:24] Andrew DeWolf: Marlon Brando television talk.

[24:26] Jesse McAnally: Not. Um, hold on. I need to find a clip to see.

[24:31] Andrew DeWolf: I get it.

[24:32] Jesse McAnally: Let me just say, I get it, but I don't find it hot.

[24:35] Andrew DeWolf: And yet, before this evening is over, you mine.

[24:40] Jesse McAnally: Give me the brush.

[24:42] Andrew DeWolf: You might forget your manners.

[24:44] Jesse McAnally: You might refuse to stay.

[24:48] Andrew DeWolf: And so the best that I can do is pray.

[24:57] Jesse McAnally: Luck be a lady tonight.

[25:00] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady tonight.

[25:03] Jesse McAnally: Luck if you've ever been a lady to begin with.

[25:07] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady tonight.

[25:11] Jesse McAnally: God, he is awful.

[25:12] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, he's not, he does not sound good.

[25:15] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I don't see my figly he's hot.

[25:17] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. I could see it.

[25:19] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. I mean, the suit looks, but the hairline is a lot.

[25:24] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, he looks like young Don Corleone, so I just see it as like a prequel to "The Godfather."

[25:29] Jesse McAnally: Guys, let us know on Twitter if he's hot.

[25:31] Andrew DeWolf: Is Marlon Brando hot?

[25:32] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, is Marlon Brando hot? Check yes or no.

[25:36] Andrew DeWolf: We'll make a poll in this video.

[25:42] Jesse McAnally: Oh, true. Alright.

[25:43] Andrew DeWolf: Because Spotify now encourages like people to make polls and like leave comments on Spotify.

[25:48] Jesse McAnally: I find it fascinating.

[25:50] Andrew DeWolf: Either way.

[25:51] Jesse McAnally: Alright. Yes.

[25:52] Andrew DeWolf: Are you alright, Jess?

[25:53] Jesse McAnally: Uh Fight Club.

[25:55] Andrew DeWolf: Gambling addiction.

[25:56] Jesse McAnally: Gambling addition. They misspelled addition to be the math term, so I keep saying addiction when I read it.

[26:04] Andrew DeWolf: Well, no, no, no, because there's so many more people adding up their gambling debts.

[26:08] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, so fight club gambling addition.

[26:11] Andrew DeWolf: That's a five.

[26:13] Jesse McAnally: Because they were trying to make a joke.

[26:14] Andrew DeWolf: That's correct.

[26:15] Jesse McAnally: Alright. Andrew.

[26:17] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[26:17] Jesse McAnally: It's a musical.

[26:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's the hardest one so far.

[26:22] Jesse McAnally: Um I wish I'd save the spit take for that one.

[26:25] Andrew DeWolf: I feel like I feel like that's a one-star.

[26:28] Jesse McAnally: Like, people don't like musicals.

[26:30] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, fuck.

[26:32] Jesse McAnally: They like musicals.

[26:32] Andrew DeWolf: People do like musicals. God damn it.

[26:35] Jesse McAnally: Alright.

[26:37] Andrew DeWolf: That's Andrew's entire experience with this show. Is discovering that people do indeed like music?

[26:42] Jesse McAnally: People do like damn it.

[26:45] Andrew DeWolf: Jess.

[26:47] Jesse McAnally: Apparently, gangsters cannot use contractions.

[26:50] Andrew DeWolf: I don't understand that.

[26:51] Jesse McAnally: Apparently they don't speak in contractions. That's what a lot of the reviews say.

[26:56] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, that that's a one, I guess.

[26:58] Jesse McAnally: That is a one.

[26:59] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[27:01] Jesse McAnally: Watch with a lukewarm Miller light and an air fried slice of pizza that have been sitting out for at least nine hours.

[27:09] Andrew DeWolf: You know, you're gonna die, sir. Or ma'am. Is this advice? Is this advice or is this what they did?

[27:15] Jesse McAnally: This is what they did during "Guys and Dolls."

[27:18] Andrew DeWolf: Now he's gotta be a guy who's dead.

[27:20] Jesse McAnally: I'm gonna be honest. That sounds like a great fucking meal.

[27:23] Andrew DeWolf: A lukewarm Miller light with an air fried slice of pizza that's been saying.

[27:31] Jesse McAnally: That's the type of meal where you sit down and you're like, yep.

[27:35] Andrew DeWolf: That's a five.

[27:36] Jesse McAnally: That is a five.

[27:37] Andrew DeWolf: See, I just had a feeling.

[27:40] Jesse McAnally: Yep.

[27:41] Andrew DeWolf: That feeling is uh pizza rotting in your tummy.

[27:45] Jesse McAnally: It ain't rotting, okay? We we re-cooked it.

[27:47] Andrew DeWolf: We recooked it as a hard time.

[27:50] Jesse McAnally: That's not how that works.

[27:51] Andrew DeWolf: It killed the germs.

[27:53] Jesse McAnally: We killed all the germs.

[27:54] Andrew DeWolf: We cooked all the germs off of it, Jessica.

[27:55] Jesse McAnally: Air for germs. You gotta boil your pizza before reheating.

[27:59] Jesse McAnally: Jess, I blew on it, okay?

[28:04] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, well, I didn't know you blew on it.

[28:06] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I didn't make you go want to make you go goblin mode on me.

[28:10] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[28:10] Jesse McAnally: Uh Jez. Cannot get over Sarah ordering milk.

[28:15] Andrew DeWolf: Like that's a normal thing to do.

[28:20] Jesse McAnally: That's a one.

[28:21] Andrew DeWolf: That's a one.

[28:23] Jesse McAnally: Sarah is great in the movie.

[28:25] Andrew DeWolf: Uh oh god. I love Sarah as a character. She's so there's so much to play with there.

[28:31] Jesse McAnally: Like Adelaide and Sarah are such fun roles to play because you can play both extremes so much in it.

[28:36] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[28:37] Jesse McAnally: Young Brando proving a hairline isn't everything.

[28:44] Andrew DeWolf: Ooh. I feel like that has to be a one-star because the only selling point of this movie is how hot Marlon Brando is.

[28:50] Jesse McAnally: That is correct. Well, the other selling point is Frank Sinatra, but that's a given.

[28:54] Andrew DeWolf: Frank Sinatra's not hot.

[28:56] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[28:57] Andrew DeWolf: No, he's not. Do you think Frank Sinatra's hot? Let us know on Spotify.

[29:03] Jesse McAnally: Depending. Old Sinatra, a fox.

[29:06] Andrew DeWolf: Do you think he's really Ronan Farrow's father?

[29:12] Jesse McAnally: I think he's a lot of people's fathers. I think he's had many a child that he doesn't he didn't know about.

[29:17] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but Ronan Farrow does not look like Woody Allen.

[29:20] Jesse McAnally: He does look a lot like Frank Sinatra, though.

[29:23] Andrew DeWolf: But does but does uh the daughter no the daughter's adopted? Fuck. My argument is lost. Ah!

[29:28] Jesse McAnally: Which daughter?

[29:30] Andrew DeWolf: The daughter wife?

[29:31] Jesse McAnally: The daughter that got abused.

[29:32] Andrew DeWolf: Uh oh, the other one, yeah.

[29:35] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, the daughter who is a very, very cool person.

[29:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah. Um, I I that's an adopted child, yes.

[29:41] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I thought I watched the daughter.

[29:44] Andrew DeWolf: No. There is a Woody Allen musical. Should I bring that? Should we talk about that one day?

[29:49] Jesse McAnally: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know Brown. Started as Woody Allen in that musical.

[29:52] Andrew DeWolf: Woody Allen.

[29:56] Jesse McAnally: Zach Braff. Who is the most Woody Allen-like actor currently working, in my opinion?

[30:03] Andrew DeWolf: No, he.

[30:05] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I'm not saying that's a good thing.

[30:07] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[30:09] Jesse McAnally: We're already broaching things with our next topic, uh, which features some actors who are deeply problematic now.

[30:15] Andrew DeWolf: So Tom Cruise.

[30:18] Jesse McAnally: Yes, Tom Cruise. We're finally talking about the mission.

[30:24] Andrew DeWolf: Mary J. Blige.

[30:25] Jesse McAnally: No, she's great. Shut up.

[30:28] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah. Don't make that a joke.

[30:31] Jesse McAnally: Okay. Move on.

[30:31] Andrew DeWolf: I'm an Abra Academy State. I fucking love that. Love her.

[30:34] Jesse McAnally: Uh who's the last person that went?

[30:37] Andrew DeWolf: We got talking about Woody Allen.

[30:40] Jesse McAnally: I think we need to pick a winner. I think it's time to pick a winner.

[30:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I think we're not going to be able to do it. You're tied.

[30:45] Jesse McAnally: You're tied. One more tiebreaker.

[30:47] Andrew DeWolf: That cannot possibly be right.

[30:49] Jesse McAnally: Wait, wait. I didn't get one wrong yet.

[30:52] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, wait. I got like two wrong, I'm pretty sure.

[30:55] Jesse McAnally: Okay, Jesse, one by one.

[30:57] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, but I'm better than you in.

[31:01] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[31:02] Andrew DeWolf: God damn it. Tic-tac-toe, a winner over here.

[31:05] Jesse McAnally: Alright. This is this is a real 50-50 shot.

[31:09] Andrew DeWolf: So.

[31:10] Jesse McAnally: Okay, okay. And you can't just say one or five. You have to buzz in and then say it.

[31:15] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. How do we buzz in?

[31:17] Jesse McAnally: I don't know. Just make a buzz sound.

[31:18] Andrew DeWolf: Say buzz.

[31:19] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[31:20] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Here's the review.

[31:22] Jesse McAnally: Uh-oh.

[31:23] Andrew DeWolf: Buzz.

[31:24] Jesse McAnally: Jess.

[31:25] Andrew DeWolf: Five.

[31:26] Jesse McAnally: No, that's wrong. It's a one, Andrew, you win.

[31:29] Andrew DeWolf: I mean you tie.

[31:30] Jesse McAnally: Dang, I'm the best. Now we both didn't even do anything.

[31:33] Andrew DeWolf: Now you both get an IOU.

[31:36] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[31:38] Andrew DeWolf: Jessica.

[31:40] Jesse McAnally: I owe you a thousand dollars.

[31:41] Andrew DeWolf: I owe you a thousand dollars, Andrew.

[31:51] Jesse McAnally: Hey guys, started interpreting you mail of the show, but we've got a shh sh at you. Today's show is brought to you by the extremely kind donations by our donors over at Patreon. Patreon's this awesome, possum place where you can get a bunch of perks from us, including a completely different podcast with me and Liz, where we're talking about Has Been a Hotel, as well as commentaries with me and Andrew on Angels in the Outfield, The Barbie, Princess and the Pauper, a couple of glee episodes.

[32:19] Andrew DeWolf: We gotta do more glee episodes.

[32:20] Jesse McAnally: That'd be really fun. Um I I think we have to do Angels in the Infield. That Angels in the Outfield one was a band.

[32:25] Andrew DeWolf: You guys have to the sequels, and I have to come in for the sequels.

[32:28] Jesse McAnally: Yes. Yeah. I I there is so many glee episodes I do want to talk about. Like, for the those in the know, imagine Andrew's reaction to shooting star.

[32:40] Andrew DeWolf: Look, I I'm gonna just put pull a branch out there as a glee fan. Not even glee fans like shooting star.

[32:46] Jesse McAnally: I know! It's such a fucking wild episode! They literally sing more than words to a cat who they think is gonna murder the universe, and then there's a freaking thing that happens.

[32:57] Andrew DeWolf: Don't you dare spoil that.

[32:58] Jesse McAnally: Don't you dare spoil that? I am showing the cat thing.

[33:01] Andrew DeWolf: You can spoil the cat.

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[33:09] Andrew DeWolf: Uh Extreme.

[33:10] Jesse McAnally: Oh, you knew it. Nice.

[33:11] Andrew DeWolf: I didn't. You could have held a gun to my head.

[33:14] Jesse McAnally: My boyfriend's a music nerd. I know too much shit.

[33:17] Andrew DeWolf: You could have like beat me with a hammer. That word would have never come out of my mouth. Great song.

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[34:25] Jesse McAnally: Thank you all for supporting us and getting all those cool fun perks. Also, um, monthly we do a Patreon meetup, and hopefully we can do one soon. I I got I gotta get with you guys about doing another one of those. Um, hopefully for April. Um so yeah, let's get that one on the calendar and get that one going. But in the meantime, let us get back to the show.

[34:57] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, there's so many good songs in this show. But also, what can we say as about them aside from it's really, really good. I guess the one I want to start with is the one I've been fucking sipping for this entire episode. Adelaide's Lament is fucking incredible. I love this song. Only because there's so very few songs like it, and almost every musical theater actress that you've loved has done a cover of it. My favorite being Jesse Mueller.

[35:36] Jesse McAnally: Spray aware of me thinking this trap to come on work. She's trying to get another shine on the whole town. Her rendition of this always just brings a smile to my face because I know how she sounds, and she puts on the voice so specifically so clearly, and she somehow makes it sound like she has a cold while singing it. It is a ridiculous goofy song about reading uphill prescription, really, at the end of the day.

[36:14] Andrew DeWolf: About Do they you keep going?

[36:16] Jesse McAnally: You keep going, you can go.

[36:18] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no, it's just about like how I'm an engaged woman, and because of that I get physically ill.

[36:26] Jesse McAnally: So does every cover of this, does everyone who does it do like the Betty Boop voice?

[36:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yes. It is part of the character at a certain point. It's interesting that they have this character that is like this in a 50s show. I I feel like this would usually be a song they'd give to like a guy who's like being silly. Like, and it's like perfect for like uh, you know, Jane Krakowski and folks like that.

[36:52] Jesse McAnally: Um, I really I I it's the song that I knew best before actually watching this show. I know that's a lot to say with so many kind of, you know, with so many very, very famous songs. But like just go through YouTube and watch different covers of it. And like, it there's so many of them. Like Betsy Wolf also does an incredible one. Like, it's it shows like your range, it slows your comedic timing, and it shows your acting ability all in one song. It is a tour de force, and every time I watch it, I get a little happier.

[37:25] Andrew DeWolf: Um, so I I can never ever hate uh rendition of guys and dolls unless uh as long as the Adelaide's good.

[37:33] Jesse McAnally: So that's the most important character for you.

[37:35] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, Adelaide.

[37:38] Jesse McAnally: Ridiculous, but yes. Um, but then you also have like the guys and dolls song, um, which is just fine. I've heard it before, it's fine.

[37:49] Andrew DeWolf: That's what's happening all over. Love is the thing that has licked him.

[37:55] Jesse McAnally: And it looks like Nathan's just another victim.

[37:59] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, sir. When you see a guy reach for stars in the sky, you can bet that he's doing it for some time.

[38:07] Jesse McAnally: When you spot uh John waiting out in the rain, chances are he's insane as only a John can be for a Jane.

[38:15] Andrew DeWolf: When you meet a gent paying all kinds of rent for a flat, that good flat, Natash Mahal.

[38:23] Jesse McAnally: Call it sad, call it funny, but better than even money. That guy's only doing it for some dolls.

[38:31] Andrew DeWolf: It's a good title song, I think. It's like catchy enough, and they do like a I believe they do like a dance, a dance break on this one.

[38:38] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[38:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, they um.

[38:40] Jesse McAnally: So it's a good title song that like will uh keep it in people's heads. It's nothing to write home about though.

[38:49] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Understood about. Whereas a song where in for Sarah, which I think also shows range and a lot of things to do, is if I were a bell, it's a very funny number. It's a very tour de force number in every way that Adelaide's Lament is, and it's for a character that you see eventually lose their mind throughout the rest of the show.

[39:12] Jesse McAnally: You know, I'm thinking about it, the the two guy characters who are kind of the actual like main, like we follow them for the most part. They don't really have any numbers like this. Like solo, big solo numbers. They give those to the uh the female leads, which I think is actually is nice.

[39:31] Andrew DeWolf: It's cool.

[39:32] Jesse McAnally: Cool. It's great. I would guess that in some versions of of this, they probably cast more like comedic actors as the two like male leads.

[39:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[39:43] Jesse McAnally: And something I meant to bring up earlier, but failed to, is in 2013, 20th Century Fox was attempting to do another film adaptation of Guys and Dolls, starring like who would you cast, Andrew, before I tell you who they wanted.

[39:59] Andrew DeWolf: Oh boy. Um This is 2013, remember that.

[40:02] Jesse McAnally: Oh, 2013. See, I don't even know actors 2013.

[40:06] Andrew DeWolf: Um who was hot shit in 2013?

[40:11] Jesse McAnally: Uh get Jack Black in here.

[40:13] Andrew DeWolf: Um He'd actually, be a good name for Detroit, though. I would watch the shit out of that.

[40:18] Jesse McAnally: That's I'm it's what I'm saying. Like, I think that'd be fun. Um, I don't know who would play Sky. I'm I'm not really, and I definitely don't know any actresses uh from that era.

[40:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, there were no actresses considered, so who they wanted was Joseph Gordon Levitt as Nathan Detroit and Channing Tatum as Sky.

[40:38] Jesse McAnally: Those feel like bizarre choices to me.

[40:42] Andrew DeWolf: But me maybe. Um, I I'd be like, I know Joseph Gordon Levitt is at his heart a song and dance man. He's just that kind of guy. But I was doing maybe understand him more than than the other.

[40:55] Jesse McAnally: I did until I saw, I don't know if you've seen Hail Caesar.

[40:59] Andrew DeWolf: Oh yeah!

[41:00] Jesse McAnally: I love Hail Caesar.

[41:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um Channing Tatum's little dance about no dames in this is great.

[41:07] Jesse McAnally: I think when you're watching anything goes, when I first saw it, was like this reminds me of No Dames from Hail Caesar.

[41:14] Andrew DeWolf: But I can see it working, you know. He seems like a very sincere performer.

[41:20] Jesse McAnally: Part of me's a little disappointed that didn't happen because that sounds kind of cool.

[41:54] Jesse McAnally: And you're the only doll I've ever wanted to share it with.

[42:02] Jesse McAnally: Obadiah.

[42:04] Andrew DeWolf: Obadiah, what's that?

[42:07] Jesse McAnally: Obadiah Masterson, that's my real name. You're the first person I ever told it to. Sky does have like my favorite song in this show that I love outside of this show more than like as a pop song.

[42:25] Andrew DeWolf: Like I'm sure we all have those in this.

[42:27] Jesse McAnally: It is actually cut from the movie, but I just like this song. And it's my time of day. Um, Sky sings it and it ends act one. It's just such a pretty song about how nighttime is great, and I like it.

[42:41] Andrew DeWolf: This is the one where he's up at like 4 a.m., right? And he's asking her how she feels about it.

[42:45] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I kinda like this one too. Um, mostly because I actually I feel the same way. I'm just like, yeah, it is it's fucking great being up super late. I don't know, I love it.

[42:56] Andrew DeWolf: I don't get to do it as much anymore because I have to wake up so early for work.

[42:59] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, same. We should all just quit our jobs and start hosting craps games.

[43:06] Andrew DeWolf: It doesn't seem very profitable considering you couldn't afford it.

[43:10] Jesse McAnally: Recently, and I lost at least 20 bucks, so no dames.

[43:16] Andrew DeWolf: Well, you don't play crafts, you host the game.

[43:19] Jesse McAnally: Yes, yeah. The house always wins.

[43:25] Andrew DeWolf: Then we'll be rich. Um, and then we have a bunch of people with IBS who seriously misunderstood our advertising.

[43:32] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, luck be a lady.

[43:36] Andrew DeWolf: A lady wouldn't flirt with strangers. She'd have a heart, she'd have a soul. A lady wouldn't make little snake eyes at me when I bet my life on this role.

[43:49] Jesse McAnally: So let's keep the party polite. Let's keep the party for life. Never get out of my sight. Never get out of my sight. With me, baby. I'm the fellow. You came in with lucky lady.

[44:00] Andrew DeWolf: Luck be a lady. Luck be a lady. Luck be a lady.

[44:07] Jesse McAnally: What's a kind of romantic s yeah?

[44:16] Andrew DeWolf: I just like the song. It's fun. I mean, if you've ever seen a Vegas montage, you've heard the song. You've heard this song. It's a very popular song. Um, the context in the show is funny just because it's it is when he's gambling to get them to go to church, which is just really bizarre.

[44:39] Jesse McAnally: But uh also I I'm on the page for luck to be a lady. There is a cover that D Snyder performed as a duet with Clay Aiken in 2002.

[44:56] Andrew DeWolf: The pickings have been lush. And yet before the evening is over, you might get me the brush.

[45:11] Jesse McAnally: You might forget your menace. You might refuse to stay.

[45:42] Andrew DeWolf: This does not make any sense. This is a oh, we did a whole Broadway album. Okay, you guys keep talking. I'm gonna look into this.

[45:48] Jesse McAnally: Wait, D. Snyder did a Broadway album?

[45:50] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it was called D does Broadway.

[45:52] Jesse McAnally: This is no longer a guys and dolls episode. This is uh uh the D Snyder Broadway album.

[45:58] Andrew DeWolf: D Snyder podcast.

[46:00] Jesse McAnally: Okay. No, okay. This is we had to touch on this. D Snyder Broadway. We have we have to go back to this eventually. I'll just give you some selection.

[46:08] Andrew DeWolf: What's in the songs did he do?

[46:10] Jesse McAnally: He did Cabaret. That's the easy one. He did the ballad of Sweeney Todd. That's a weird one. He did Big Spender with Cindy Lauper.

[46:19] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, that sounds cool.

[46:21] Jesse McAnally: He did uh I get a kick out of you.

[46:23] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, nice. Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets with Bebe Neuwirth.

[46:28] Jesse McAnally: That's a get. That's neat. Music of the Night with Mark Wood.

[46:31] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know who that is, but Wikipedia page. Nope.

[46:35] Jesse McAnally: Um, The Joint is jumping with Jesse Blaze Snyder.

[46:39] Andrew DeWolf: Mac the knife. Where does Patti LuPone come in? Because I see Patti LuPone's name at the top of the album.

[46:44] Jesse McAnally: No, I'm not done yet. Uh there is nothing like a dame with a couple people. Uh Razzle Dazzle, and then Tonight slash somewhere with Patti LuPone.

[46:59] Andrew DeWolf: That sound that sounds terrible in my head. Not gonna lie.

[47:04] Jesse McAnally: It's not on Spotify. I hate to break it.

[47:07] Andrew DeWolf: How do we talk about this, Andrew? Like, what do we Oh, that was weird.

[47:10] Jesse McAnally: Oh, that was weird. Um, do better, D Snyder.

[47:14] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Sue Me, great song. Nathan Lane performs it good.

[47:17] Jesse McAnally: Sit down, you're rockin' the boat. Probably one of the most iconic Broadway songs ever.

[47:22] Andrew DeWolf: I dreamed last night I got on the boat to heaven.

[47:26] Jesse McAnally: And by some chance I had brought my dice along and the rice good.

[47:35] Andrew DeWolf: And I hollered, someone fade me. But the passengers they knew right from wrong.

[47:45] Jesse McAnally: For the people all sit sit down, sit down, you're rocking the boat.

[47:49] Andrew DeWolf: People sit down. Sit down, you're rocking the boat.

[47:52] Jesse McAnally: And the devil will drag you under and shop the panel of your check and go sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, I sailed away on that rule of heaven, and by some chance found a bumble in my face.

[48:15] Andrew DeWolf: Nicely passing out the whiskey.

[48:17] Jesse McAnally: But the passengers were bound to easy.

[48:25] Andrew DeWolf: For the people all send me where.

[48:29] Jesse McAnally: Beware send me where.

[48:31] Andrew DeWolf: Beware, you'll come a ship.

[48:32] Jesse McAnally: And the devil dragging wonder by the fancy on the rope.

[48:36] Andrew DeWolf: Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, you're rockin' the boat.

[48:40] Jesse McAnally: Like we look I mean, we've if you've seen it's always sunny in Philadelphia, you've seen sit down, you're rockin' the boat.

[48:46] Andrew DeWolf: You you know, these songs are fucking everywhere.

[48:49] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, can I go off on a song though?

[48:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[48:52] Jesse McAnally: Can I go off on Marry the Man today, real quick?

[48:52] Andrew DeWolf: Why not?

[48:52] Jesse McAnally: Marry the man today. Troubled though he may be.

[49:08] Andrew DeWolf: Uh-oh.

[49:09] Jesse McAnally: How much as he likes to play? Crazy and wild and free. Marry the man today.

[49:15] Andrew DeWolf: Rather than sigh and sorrow.

[49:19] Jesse McAnally: Marry the man today and change his way tomorrow.

[49:25] Andrew DeWolf: Marry the man today.

[49:26] Jesse McAnally: Marry the man today.

[49:28] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe he's a leading town.

[49:32] Jesse McAnally: Don't let him get away. Hurry and track him down and marry the man today.

[49:40] Andrew DeWolf: Give him the girlish laughter.

[49:42] Jesse McAnally: Give him your hand today and save the fist for after.

[49:49] Andrew DeWolf: Slowly introduce him to the beta things. Respectable, conservative, and clean.

[49:57] Jesse McAnally: Okay. I don't hate this song. I just like. I'm gonna go and I'm I'm not gonna go on a huge rant here because it's a stupid song.

[50:04] Andrew DeWolf: And it's meant to be a joke.

[50:05] Jesse McAnally: But perpetuate like continuing to perpetuate this idea that if you marry a toxic man, you can fix him later is gross to me.

[50:15] Andrew DeWolf: In this context, I'm less offended by it because it's a comic musical.

[50:19] Jesse McAnally: But just like, come on. Ah don't marry a toxic man. Just like marry toxic woman.

[50:28] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, or get him to therapy or some shit.

[50:30] Jesse McAnally: Just like marrying the man won't fix him. Having a baby won't fix him. Women don't get married to men.

[50:37] Andrew DeWolf: Just get married.

[50:39] Jesse McAnally: Just become lesbians. This is the solution.

[50:41] Andrew DeWolf: Or bisexuals. Like, just don't marry him.

[50:44] Jesse McAnally: I don't endorse this. Political lesbianism is cringe.

[50:48] Andrew DeWolf: You know what? Get married to non-binary people.

[50:51] Jesse McAnally: True, even better. That's fine.

[50:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[50:53] Jesse McAnally: I do endorse that.

[50:55] Andrew DeWolf: But what if you marry a toxic non-binary person?

[50:59] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I don't agree with that, so it's not fun.

[51:02] Andrew DeWolf: They'll actually go to therapy, so then that'll be fine.

[51:04] Jesse McAnally: Oh, you're right. The problem is men don't go to therapy.

[51:07] Andrew DeWolf: If you marry a toxic woman, she'll go to therapy. If you marry toxic non-binary person, they'll go to therapy.

[51:11] Jesse McAnally: Toxic men will think therapy is above them.

[51:14] Andrew DeWolf: Do you know how many of my very good friends within the last year broke up with our spouse and their ex-spouse then immediately went to therapy and became better, and they resent them so much that they didn't do that for their entire relationship.

[51:28] Jesse McAnally: Okay. Man, maybe I should go to therapy.

[51:30] Andrew DeWolf: Speaking of going to therapy, what is our overall thoughts on guys and dolls on our cheese rating? Andrew, start us off.

[51:38] Andrew DeWolf: I actually thought Guys and Dolls was pretty fun. Uh it's a very it's a very chill watch. There's uh there's there's not too many characters, so it's very easy to kind of uh pick everybody out and follow the story.

[51:51] Jesse McAnally: Um, and there's a lot of songs that are recognizable. There's a lot of songs that are catchy, and there's a lot of good like danceable songs and fun dance numbers, and it's just it's it's a classic musical for a reason, I think.

[52:06] Andrew DeWolf: And this is one where it's uh it doesn't drag, which a lot of these classic musicals sometimes that does tend to happen.

[52:14] Jesse McAnally: But this one it it is breezy, it's easy, and it's cheesy, and that's good.

[52:21] Andrew DeWolf: Um geez, as far as a uh cheese rating, um, I I don't have one ready.

[52:29] Jesse McAnally: Um I gotta think about it for a second.

[52:33] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, Liz.

[52:35] Jesse McAnally: Uh, this show, it's a fun show. It's a classic. Like, it's but it's funny, it's ridiculous, it's very like absurd Italian, which I love.

[52:46] Andrew DeWolf: And having like two the two Fiabilites have like actual funny songs is kind of rare for these, so it's it was enjoyable to see that.

[52:54] Jesse McAnally: And yeah, I I like it a lot. The names are stupid, the accents are bad, but it doesn't take away from the fun at all.

[53:01] Andrew DeWolf: So I reckon I I enjoyed it. I'm gonna give this uh grana cheese, which is a uh mature cheese that's Italian, so yeah.

[53:13] Jesse McAnally: I like this show. I think that a professional production is kind of passe not to be that guy.

[53:20] Andrew DeWolf: Um I I really think that the best way to watch this is uh amateur production um locally with kids having a great time and you know having a good good good amount of time enjoying each other.

[53:35] Jesse McAnally: So I am giving this Niagara Gold Cheese because when they get to that chain to Niagara and she hears the church bells chime, the compartment is air conditioned, and the mood's sublime because they started Niagara.

[53:49] Andrew DeWolf: Um all right, Liz, you got a cheese yet?

[53:52] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I had a cheese.

[53:53] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew didn't have cheese.

[53:55] Jesse McAnally: Andrew didn't have cheese.

[53:55] Andrew DeWolf: Uh I'm gonna give it a uh a uh New Jersey uh cheesesteak.

[54:01] Jesse McAnally: It's basically a Philly cheesesteak by proxy, depending on where you are.

[54:04] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[54:04] Jesse McAnally: Yes, but we're gonna say it's on the jersey side.

[54:06] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's valid.

[54:07] Jesse McAnally: Valid. You know who else is on the jersey side? Our wonderful listeners.

[54:11] Andrew DeWolf: Thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on iTunes and Spotify musicals with cheese.

[54:15] Jesse McAnally: We're on Twitter at Cheesy Me Schools, we're on Patreon at me, Schools of Cheese, our keeper of the cheese is Juliet Antonio.

[54:20] Andrew DeWolf: Here's somebody has some R for you, Juliet.

[54:23] Jesse McAnally: Juliet, Juliet, you were also the one that told us to do this many times. So that's what's for you.

[54:28] Andrew DeWolf: Let's be a lady.

[54:30] Jesse McAnally: This show is edited by Andrew DeWolf, and he's doing a fantabulous job.

[54:33] Andrew DeWolf: Our Instagram is Music Schools for Cheese, YouTube page Music Schools with Cheese, Patreon only podcast, Patreon Cheese has been hotel.

[54:38] Jesse McAnally: Email us at Musical Theater Lives at Gmail.com. Leave a response on our Spotify thing.

[54:41] Andrew DeWolf: Because apparently that's something you can do now.

[54:43] Jesse McAnally: You can leave comments and we can reply to polls.

[54:47] Andrew DeWolf: So tell us what you thought of the episode and whatnot there.

[54:49] Jesse McAnally: We'll we we look at those and we'll read them on the podcast so you leave a comment.

[54:53] Andrew DeWolf: Um thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform and for not kicking us off this week for you know tic tac toe.

[55:02] Jesse McAnally: I don't know. Anything else we have left to say, kids?

[55:06] Andrew DeWolf: I gotta go get married real quick, so I'll see you guys later.

[55:09] Jesse McAnally: Uh oh.

[55:10] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Andrew and I are Andrew and I are getting married too.

[55:13] Jesse McAnally: It's gonna be a double wedding.

[55:14] Andrew DeWolf: Like they always think you goddamn.

[55:19] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, just get married, Andrew. It'll solve everything.

[55:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[55:23] Jesse McAnally: We'll see you next week on Musicals with Cheese.

[55:32] Andrew DeWolf: Then they get off Saratoga for the 14th time. A post can develop Le Grip, La Grip, La Post Nasal Drip with the Wheezes and the Sneezes, and a snidest that's really a pip from the lack of community property and a feeling she's getting too old.

[55:48] Jesse McAnally: A person can develop a bad bad cold at you.