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[0:06] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally.

[0:08] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm Andrew DeWolf.

[0:09] Robbie Rozelle: And I'm Liz Eston.

[0:11] Jesse McAnally: And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, a podcast where I try to get Andrew and Liz to like musical theater. And you guys, please join us in welcoming this incredible returning guest, I believe for their third time around.

[0:22] Andrew DeWolf: My goodness.

[0:23] Jesse McAnally: It won't be their last either. It's halfway to the cheese.

[0:26] Andrew DeWolf: Well, we gotta finish this episode first without die.

[0:29] Jesse McAnally: Um please join us in welcoming the Grammy-winning hit cabaret artist, AR director of Center Stage Records, handsome dude, and part of the High Society, Robbie Rozelle!

[0:44] Andrew DeWolf: He's one of the cats on the cover of High Society, in case you haven't known.

[0:48] Robbie Rozelle: That's true.

[0:49] Jesse McAnally: You'll have to guess which one.

[0:52] Andrew DeWolf: The hot one.

[0:54] Jesse McAnally: Obviously.

[0:55] Andrew DeWolf: That's a given.

[0:56] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, who didn't want to fuck an animal?

[0:57] Andrew DeWolf: Handsome kids.

[0:58] Robbie Rozelle: If you don't think I'm not gay because I saw the Robin Hood Disney film, you're wrong.

[1:03] Jesse McAnally: Thank you.

[1:04] Andrew DeWolf: Right.

[1:04] Robbie Rozelle: Thank you.

[1:05] Jesse McAnally: I feel so seen.

[1:07] Andrew DeWolf: We're starting this episode on a high note.

[1:10] Jesse McAnally: I'm just imagining like the mother, like, oh, this is about Annie. You can listen to this little darling.

[1:16] Andrew DeWolf: And it's like, who hasn't wanted to fuck an animal?

[1:19] Robbie Rozelle: Wait, this is gonna have like a little E next to it, right?

[1:22] Andrew DeWolf: Sandy the dog.

[1:23] Robbie Rozelle: Would you, would wouldn't you?

[1:27] Andrew DeWolf: Well, in one of these directions, Sandy's played by a child, so no.

[1:31] Robbie Rozelle: No!

[1:33] Andrew DeWolf: What do you think?

[1:35] Robbie Rozelle: I meant in the lore.

[1:37] Jesse McAnally: In the lore of Sandy.

[1:39] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Are we talking comic Sandy or movie Sandy?

[1:42] Robbie Rozelle: Come on.

[1:42] Jesse McAnally: Like Dumb Dog or a Comic Sandy.

[1:45] Andrew DeWolf: Does Sandy go along for the adventure, or do they show up for one song in act two and then pop up in act two?

[1:54] Jesse McAnally: Um, in case you haven't picked up what we're throwing down, because this is the most vague introduction. This week we are giving you a two-for-one deal. We are talking about two Annie Twos.

[2:02] Andrew DeWolf: Two.

[2:09] Robbie Rozelle: It can rob your toe.

[2:12] Andrew DeWolf: Even comb your hair.

[2:15] Jesse McAnally: And it never falls.

[2:17] Andrew DeWolf: No, it never goes if it's truly there.

[2:23] Robbie Rozelle: Low can sometimes make you cry.

[2:28] Andrew DeWolf: But there's the tears that dry you.

[2:33] Jesse McAnally: Got an old pen open wide.

[2:36] Andrew DeWolf: Make a lot of room inside.

[2:40] Robbie Rozelle: For love.

[2:47] Andrew DeWolf: Wanna come see my wrong?

[2:54] Jesse McAnally: Somehow this isn't even all the Annie Twos.

[2:57] Andrew DeWolf: We're not.

[2:57] Robbie Rozelle: No, there's no two.

[2:59] Andrew DeWolf: Watch. There's two more Annie Twos outside of the two Annie Twos we're talking about today.

[3:04] Jesse McAnally: I fucking love musical sequels.

[3:06] Andrew DeWolf: Well, they have the plot of the Santa Claus too.

[3:09] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, exactly.

[3:11] Andrew DeWolf: I've gotta get married.

[3:13] Jesse McAnally: I texted Jess, like, why does Annie have the same logic as the Santa Claus universe? What the fuck is going on here?

[3:17] Robbie Rozelle: It's that's I said the exact same thing.

[3:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[3:22] Jesse McAnally: Well, you also said that the better Santa Claus 2 ripoff is Rugrats in Paris, which is Rugrats 2.

[3:29] Robbie Rozelle: That is true.

[3:30] Andrew DeWolf: Why is this kind of like reversed in that one where the bad guy is the one that needs to get married?

[3:36] Jesse McAnally: It's weird.

[3:38] Andrew DeWolf: You guys, I'm just running to look to see who wrote the No.

[3:43] Robbie Rozelle: I was gonna see if.

[3:44] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Cinco Paul.

[3:48] Robbie Rozelle: Yes.

[3:49] Andrew DeWolf: Cinco Paul!

[3:50] Robbie Rozelle: Cinco Paul!

[3:52] Jesse McAnally: Come on the show so we can talk about none of the musical theater shit you did and just ask if Annie 2 inspired the Santa Claus.

[3:58] Robbie Rozelle: Mega Whoom.

[3:59] Andrew DeWolf: That's what I said.

[4:00] Jesse McAnally: Sorry. You are the only one that has the club to do this.

[4:03] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. Tweet at Cinco Paul right now, asking him.

[4:08] Robbie Rozelle: No, no, no. Just ask him. Did he intentionally rip off Annie 2 when writing the Santa Claus 2?

[4:15] Jesse McAnally: Hi, Cinco Pedia. Quick question. Was the Santa Claus 2 inspired by the plot of Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge? Yes or no circle one.

[4:42] Andrew DeWolf: Top tier episode, and we're not even 10 minutes in.

[4:45] Jesse McAnally: We just started. Let's go.

[4:52] Andrew DeWolf: Um, so Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge, later known as Annie Warbucks.

[5:01] Robbie Rozelle: Wildly.

[5:02] Andrew DeWolf: Possibly.

[5:03] Jesse McAnally: You're being a little bold with wildly different plots.

[5:07] Andrew DeWolf: In Annie Warbucks, there's a Hannigan, but she has a different name.

[5:12] Robbie Rozelle: That's a quick control F, Robbie.

[5:14] Andrew DeWolf: Sure.

[5:15] Robbie Rozelle: It's a fine her place.

[5:17] Andrew DeWolf: Um, written by Thomas Meehan with music and lyrics by Charles Strauss and Martin Charnin. Um, based on Little Orphan Annie, the comic strip, as well as Annie the Musical from 1977.

[5:27] Jesse McAnally: So Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge opened on December 22nd, 1989 at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts to universally dismal reviews. Extensive efforts were attempted to try to shape it into something ready for Broadway, and it failed, and the project was abandoned until it revived itself, being called Annie Warbucks, which this sequel that was originally planned to open on Broadway, but the investor pulled out, so they opened off-Broadway on August 9th, 1993.

[5:55] Andrew DeWolf: The show broke all off-Broadway box office records of the time, running for 200 performances. There were attempts to bring it to Broadway afterwards, but since there were rules that they ran, they could not basically get nominated for Tony Awards because of how long it ran off-Broadway, they just kind of gave up.

[6:14] Robbie Rozelle: The plot of the Annie 2's ish. I'm gonna try to mix both of them in here and see how well I did it. So Annie Two or Annie Warbucks. The plot is on Christmas morning in 1933, when child welfare commissioner Harriet Doyle, or sometimes Miss Hannigan, arrives on the scene to inform Daddy Warbucks he must marry within 60 days, or else the child will be returned to the orphanage.

[6:40] Andrew DeWolf: Daddy Warbucks' whirlwind search for a fitting bride uncovers not only a plot by Doyle and her daughter, Sheila Kelly, or sometimes Miss Hannigan and an orphan doppelganger for Annie to strip him of his fortune, but also his true feelings for his longtime assistant, Grace Farrell, a gaggle of cute little girls seeking parents and Franklin D. Roosevelt returned to take part in the shenanigans.

[7:04] Robbie Rozelle: Yes, that's wrong.

[7:05] Andrew DeWolf: That's a wrong plot, right?

[7:07] Robbie Rozelle: So wrong.

[7:08] Andrew DeWolf: Annie Warbucks or Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge has Marietta Christmas, a senator who wanders in and it's Marion Saldez, and she's like, this child needs to have a mother. We're going to take her away. They got rid of the whole lawyer character.

[7:27] Robbie Rozelle: Well, I mean, they added the lawyer character.

[7:29] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, yeah. Who ends up twist having a thing.

[7:32] Robbie Rozelle: The Commissioner Doyle.

[7:33] Andrew DeWolf: No, there's also the lawyer.

[7:35] Robbie Rozelle: No, the lawyer. His lawyer who's like a double crosser.

[7:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, he's like, I simulate this whole thing to steal your money.

[7:42] Robbie Rozelle: Like, yeah. Also, sometimes the Yankees show up on Coney Island.

[7:47] Andrew DeWolf: A lot of stuff happens.

[7:49] Robbie Rozelle: Yes. Um, Robbie, I'm curious. Which one do you have a deeper love for? Annie Two or Annie Warbucks?

[7:54] Robbie Rozelle: Annie Warbucks.

[7:57] Andrew DeWolf: It's got a score.

[7:59] Jesse McAnally: Okay, okay. I'm so fascinated by that. Because Andrew, you have a fucking hot take here that no human being has ever had in their entire life.

[8:08] Andrew DeWolf: No. I thought Miss Hannigan's Revenge was better.

[8:13] Robbie Rozelle: Oh, wow.

[8:14] Andrew DeWolf: I think fake Annie is my favorite character ever to appear in any Annie property. Um, I like that Miss Hannigan came back because I love Miss Hannigan.

[8:25] Robbie Rozelle: Sure.

[8:25] Andrew DeWolf: More than any other character. Dorothy Louden even came back to play the role.

[8:30] Robbie Rozelle: She sure did.

[8:30] Andrew DeWolf: She did that. She wandered through that set. And you know what? J.K. Simmons is also a part of the ensemble.

[8:39] Robbie Rozelle: Oscar award winner, J.K. Simmons, did the damn thing.

[8:44] Andrew DeWolf: My whole take, though, is it's kind of predicated on the fact that I think both of these are kind of dog shit. So it's like, uh, which one do you think is better when it's bagging on fire and in front of your doorstep?

[8:59] Robbie Rozelle: You famously hate orphans.

[9:01] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, that's true. And I've been very outspoken about my hatred of orphans and dogs.

[9:10] Jesse McAnally: Um, so let's start with Annie 2.

[9:14] Andrew DeWolf: Sure.

[9:15] Jesse McAnally: Miss Hannigan's Revenge. Why not? Um, I gave because I obviously I just kind of threw in a little bit of jokes for there, but so this all started when Annie, the original Annie, closed on Broadway, and when it was closing, I believe it was Charles Strauss that went up there and been like Martin Charnin.

[9:34] Robbie Rozelle: No, who there was a lot of people.

[9:35] Jesse McAnally: Martin Charnin, because he was the director and their assist for both.

[9:39] Robbie Rozelle: And what did he say when he went up on stage?

[9:41] Jesse McAnally: He walked up on stage and said Annie and put up two fingers.

[9:47] Andrew DeWolf: Two.

[9:47] Jesse McAnally: Annie Two. Just like the Ghostbusters.

[9:50] Robbie Rozelle: Right. Who you gotta fucking call.

[9:52] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's what started it. They were like, ooh, cash cow. What if we made some more money? Martin Charnin has a daughter, like he had to put through school.

[10:00] Jesse McAnally: So um that's truly what like started this train was a cash grab, and they didn't consider it a sequel, they considered it a continuation.

[10:11] Andrew DeWolf: So really the people making it were the ones that were after Daddy Warbucks' money.

[10:15] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah.

[10:16] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[10:17] Jesse McAnally: That's beautiful. Thank you. It's deeper than we think it is.

[10:20] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, in all fairness, and I made this argument to Andrew when we were talking about this, where the musical ends is kind of just the start of the comics. Like Little Orphan Annie is all about her living with Daddy Warbucks, and that is her normal. We're starting at we did the origin story. It makes sense that there could be more story.

[10:41] Robbie Rozelle: The comic's played there.

[10:42] Jesse McAnally: Sure. The Annie, the original Annie musical is fully just Wicked in a red dress. Just the pre- Yeah, everything leading up to that moment.

[10:52] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[10:54] Jesse McAnally: Okay, you're not wrong, but also my mind's blown. I don't love that.

[10:57] Andrew DeWolf: Um, yeah. Did they just somebody Gregory McGuire'd a comic? And that's how Annie was born? And they still made it political.

[11:04] Robbie Rozelle: Oh my god, this works in like so many angles.

[11:07] Jesse McAnally: So great. I think I have to say, I think the original Annie is kind of a perfect musical.

[11:13] Andrew DeWolf: Um wow, there were a lot of faces that happened.

[11:16] Jesse McAnally: It is well written. It was written for adults, not for children. And now when you see it, because it has been commodified and sort of disnified into a children's theater piece. But it's very much for adults. Um, and it just happens to have children. Where that's why Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge is so crazy because they did the full inverse of that and tried to make it adorable when it's not.

[11:46] Robbie Rozelle: You see, I don't find it that adorable though.

[11:50] Andrew DeWolf: What?

[11:51] Robbie Rozelle: I honestly think Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge is a little more biting than Annie Warbucks.

[11:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but you have all the we first of all, you have the Annie who's like, nah Gee, Daddy! Like, you know, with a full dummy bear's voice.

[12:07] Jesse McAnally: Are you pretending that's not what it is in the original Annie?

[12:10] Andrew DeWolf: No, Andrea McArdle did not do that.

[12:14] Robbie Rozelle: Okay.

[12:15] Andrew DeWolf: But she wasn't like it she uh had sort of a naturalness to her. She didn't have that curly red wig until the very last scene. She was just like a normal girl who like played baseball and was sort of raggedy, a ragamuffin and scrappy, right?

[12:33] Robbie Rozelle: And this kid is in that red dress, start to finish.

[12:39] Andrew DeWolf: It's insane. Nothing makes sense. Pony Island, because they were like, well, we did NYC the last time, so we gotta do this.

[12:47] Jesse McAnally: And also and Punjab and the asps show up and it's vaguely racist.

[12:53] Andrew DeWolf: Is that just because the John Houston film was popular and they were like, well, let's bring them in?

[12:58] Robbie Rozelle: Because the John Houston film hadn't hit yet. It was just about to come out because it came out in '82. And when was Annie Two?

[13:08] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, maybe. Maybe they were like, oh, I guess we have to insert this.

[13:12] Robbie Rozelle: But it was and it was Jeffrey Holder, the same guy, played Punjab, doesn't speak a line. It just really sort of dances in um in a racist style.

[13:25] Andrew DeWolf: In a way, yeah.

[13:29] Robbie Rozelle: Um, that is very very Johnny Quest.

[13:29] Andrew DeWolf: Johnny Quest.

[13:33] Robbie Rozelle: But the movie didn't come out, would Annie Two have existed?

[13:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[13:38] Robbie Rozelle: You still think so?

[13:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, because Charles Strauss also did this with the sequel to Bye Bye Birdie.

[13:44] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, but that didn't work out either.

[13:46] Andrew DeWolf: Why do we think this will work?

[13:47] Robbie Rozelle: He is not great with the sequels.

[13:49] Andrew DeWolf: Actually, I don't know any musicals that the sequel, you go, yeah, we really needed that. The only one is maybe falsettos, but that was each one act, and then they put them together into a two-act musical.

[14:03] Jesse McAnally: Musical sequels shouldn't happen.

[14:07] Robbie Rozelle: I kind of am a defender of Love Never Dies because I think the phantom culture is overall better because it exists.

[14:13] Andrew DeWolf: Uh no, no, no, we're worse.

[14:16] Robbie Rozelle: Is it better because we have like a common enemy? Is that what it is?

[14:19] Andrew DeWolf: Kind of. I think it makes the overall fan community much more interesting because it's there.

[14:25] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, but then we also have the six-minute song about fucking when the moon isn't out.

[14:29] Andrew DeWolf: You say that like it's a negative.

[14:31] Robbie Rozelle: You say that like it's a negative.

[14:32] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, Lloyd Webber really looked at what made Phantom famous and said, you know who we're gonna build a sequel on? Meg Giry. That bitch who had six lines in the original. She should have the sequel.

[14:46] Robbie Rozelle: Maybe Lloyd Webber dated a Meg Giry actor secretly, and that's why that happened.

[14:54] Andrew DeWolf: Well, you know, he should have done it and brought in Miss Hannigan.

[14:59] Robbie Rozelle: Honestly, Love Never Dies.

[14:59] Andrew DeWolf: Miss Hannigan's Revenge.

[15:04] Robbie Rozelle: That's it. Well, speaking of Andrew Lloyd Webber ripping off Annie 2, he literally does that in Cinderella, Bad Cinderella, because we have literally the facial reconstruction surgery scene that is in Annie 2.

[15:20] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god.

[15:21] Robbie Rozelle: It's so insane.

[15:23] Andrew DeWolf: It's so insane with the prisoner slash beauty.

[15:27] Robbie Rozelle: Annie Annie.

[15:27] Andrew DeWolf: Fake Annie is hilarious.

[15:30] Robbie Rozelle: I'm trying to find out who played her because it doesn't list her in the program, probably to not give away a plot.

[15:38] Andrew DeWolf: Right.

[15:39] Robbie Rozelle: But I need to know who is mimicking and kind of making fun of the Annie voice.

[15:46] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, I think that's part of the reason why they go so hard with the G. Willaker's Annie, so we can have anti-Annie.

[15:52] Robbie Rozelle: Anti-Annie.

[15:53] Andrew DeWolf: And fake Annie too. Like we need Annie.

[15:56] Robbie Rozelle: It's like Negascott.

[15:56] Andrew DeWolf: What happens to fake Annie when the after this is over?

[16:02] Robbie Rozelle: Fake Annie dies.

[16:03] Andrew DeWolf: Fake Annie just like jumps off a bridge.

[16:06] Robbie Rozelle: She was thrown from the train trestle that they didn't kill her off in in the film. She ends up on that boat from the opening of the musical.

[16:13] Andrew DeWolf: Just like, well, I guess I'm going to prison.

[16:15] Robbie Rozelle: No, she ends up on Warbucks Island. We all know it exists.

[16:18] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Warbucks Island.

[16:19] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, Warbucks Island, obviously.

[16:21] Andrew DeWolf: Isn't it weird that Roosevelt is like such a main character in this when Warbucks doesn't like him, right?

[16:28] Robbie Rozelle: Isn't that like a thing in the first one?

[16:31] Andrew DeWolf: Everybody who was a supporting character in the last one is suddenly a lead.

[16:36] Robbie Rozelle: Including Miss Hannigan.

[16:39] Andrew DeWolf: It's like suddenly the president is like a side character we care about.

[16:42] Robbie Rozelle: Like he's the president.

[16:44] Andrew DeWolf: What? It's like, what is he doing here?

[16:46] Robbie Rozelle: In both versions. Also, why are the orphans always at the mansion?

[16:52] Andrew DeWolf: So that he can adopt them at the end.

[16:54] Robbie Rozelle: That's true. It's is the mansion on Warbucks Island question.

[16:59] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no!

[17:00] Robbie Rozelle: Oh!

[17:01] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no!

[17:03] Robbie Rozelle: Or what if there's two mansions? One is a decoy mansion and the other is on Warbucks Island.

[17:07] Andrew DeWolf: Oliver, why are you adopting all these orphans?

[17:09] Robbie Rozelle: I love the sound of them.

[17:11] Andrew DeWolf: Jesse, didn't we do a conspiracy theory episode once?

[17:15] Robbie Rozelle: Yes, we did.

[17:16] Andrew DeWolf: Great. So happy to add to that.

[17:18] Robbie Rozelle: This is the sequel. The thing about FDR being in this, they also included as a character his Republican candidate, his real-life Republican running what's the thing?

[17:29] Andrew DeWolf: Person you're running against in Annie Warbucks.

[17:32] Robbie Rozelle: He's like, yeah, he is like one of the characters that's like, why are we using all the government money for this rich man?

[17:38] Andrew DeWolf: Why are we doing this?

[17:39] Robbie Rozelle: And like, he's like the naysayer in the room.

[17:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[17:42] Robbie Rozelle: And that is the Republican opposition.

[17:48] Andrew DeWolf: Oliver, why are you a Republican if the Republicans won't even let you win because you're rich?

[17:56] Robbie Rozelle: That's all they're supposed to do.

[17:58] Andrew DeWolf: Also, like cheap jokes.

[18:00] Robbie Rozelle: Cheap jokes like LaGuardia Airport.

[18:04] Andrew DeWolf: Somebody should build an airport and uh I don't care what you name it.

[18:07] Robbie Rozelle: It's that literally happens.

[18:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's in I mean, that's in there.

[18:10] Robbie Rozelle: Yikes. We gotta talk about the big differences.

[18:13] Andrew DeWolf: So, what makes Annie 2 different from Annie Warbucks?

[18:18] Robbie Rozelle: Because we're gonna talk about Annie Warbucks in a minute, but I want to know what makes Annie 2 so special.

[18:22] Andrew DeWolf: Special is an interesting choice of words.

[18:26] Robbie Rozelle: What makes it work so well?

[18:31] Andrew DeWolf: To the point where at the end if you watch a slime tutorial that maybe I put online a bit, at the very end, maybe just Google the musical, it comes right away.

[18:42] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, it's like a newsreel of them of Martin Charnin saying we had to pull the plug on it. It was terrible.

[18:50] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, my favorite part of Annie 2 specifically is how fucking boring the first half hour is filled with dialogue, and that they speed run through every song in the opening number.

[19:02] Robbie Rozelle: That is like my two favorite pieces of it.

[19:04] Andrew DeWolf: Like they ruin all the goodwill they have for this show in the first 20 minutes.

[19:12] Robbie Rozelle: It's just so wild. Also, because like some of these songs ended up in Annie Warbucks, but also like some of them, the song in the hairdressing shop, beautiful, is everybody wants to do a musical from Nick and Nora that Charles Strouse wrote in '91.

[19:14] Andrew DeWolf: Everybody wants to do a musical, especially me.

[19:41] Robbie Rozelle: That's the way Bell notice what you want.

[19:49] Andrew DeWolf: If my dancing drops the beat, they can always dump my feet.

[19:57] Robbie Rozelle: And that's the way help me a musical tool.

[20:06] Andrew DeWolf: So he reused that music.

[20:08] Robbie Rozelle: It's insane.

[20:09] Andrew DeWolf: It's insane.

[20:11] Robbie Rozelle: Annie 2 is insane. Nothing makes sense.

[20:14] Andrew DeWolf: What are you doing out here on my boat and with my radio?

[20:19] Robbie Rozelle: What are we doing? Like, nothing worked or made sense, and that's why it's not great.

[20:25] Andrew DeWolf: And um, Dorothy Louden was okay, but she truly like you could see if you even just watch that video and it's just a light blob, you can see that she's pissed to be on that stage and having to deliver these lines.

[20:39] Robbie Rozelle: What do you what why?

[20:40] Andrew DeWolf: Why though? Like, is it not up to the quality of Annie?

[20:45] Robbie Rozelle: Is that what you're saying?

[20:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's certainly not.

[20:47] Robbie Rozelle: Certainly not.

[20:49] Andrew DeWolf: Annie won Tony's several.

[20:52] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, so did Dear Evan Hansen. We're not I'm I'm not claiming award recognition means quality.

[20:57] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[20:58] Robbie Rozelle: Annie was a hit. It also was like the gateway drug for a lot of kids into discovering theater.

[21:05] Andrew DeWolf: And probably to its detriment now.

[21:08] Robbie Rozelle: Right. Because they the dumbing down of the mus of the original musical because it became a children's piece is something I'll talk about forever.

[21:17] Andrew DeWolf: Because if you go back and listen to that original album it's thrilling.

[21:21] Robbie Rozelle: Okay, can I I hate to do a tangent on Annie 2014 which we're not talking about.

[21:26] Andrew DeWolf: Sure me and Andrew made a discovery watching that movie that still bothers me to this day and people say why is that version of Annie the only one that can't read or swim?

[21:38] Robbie Rozelle: I forgot about that.

[21:40] Andrew DeWolf: Annie has never been illiterate or unable to swim in any other version but suddenly that's the one where that's a main plot point.

[21:48] Robbie Rozelle: I mean let's hope she can swim in Annie Warbucks because she's supposed to be thrown off of that boat in a steamer song or was it other Annie I'm kidding well what a transition um Annie too Andrew Robbie's been talking so much shit about it.

[22:04] Andrew DeWolf: What's your defense?

[22:05] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah please um oh my my defense is I think the fake Annie plot is so dog shit and awful that it's hilarious.

[22:13] Andrew DeWolf: Please elaborate on the explain plot yeah yeah like the so Miss Hannigan is trying to pretend to be a different person so she can win a contest to marry Daddy Warbucks.

[22:27] Robbie Rozelle: And her plan is to get Annie to be like I want this woman to be my mommy please please please please please please and Daddy Warbucks of course because he's a he's an absolute sucker would uh with ease um and so obviously Annie is not gonna do that because Annie knows who Miss Hannigan is.

[22:46] Andrew DeWolf: So they create a fake Annie who they plant with Daddy Warbucks while on Coney Island.

[22:53] Robbie Rozelle: And it this just works.

[22:56] Andrew DeWolf: It just he just falls for it, and she is gonna marry Daddy Warbucks because of fake Annie, and it's incredible.

[23:04] Robbie Rozelle: In the fake Annie dress and the fake Annie wig.

[23:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[23:08] Robbie Rozelle: Because it's so easy to fake being Annie because Annie only wears one thing and has very easy to wear a wig hair, you know, she hasn't got her.

[23:19] Andrew DeWolf: You know what I'm saying.

[23:20] Robbie Rozelle: Easy to fake hair.

[23:21] Andrew DeWolf: Uh-huh.

[23:22] Robbie Rozelle: Also, Miss Hannigan's fake name she was going under was Charlotte O'Hara.

[23:27] Andrew DeWolf: I listen.

[23:28] Robbie Rozelle: Again, the names in this show, the name of the the Senator is um Merry Ann Christmas.

[23:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, yes, Mrs. Christmas.

[23:40] Robbie Rozelle: Mary Ann Christmas.

[23:44] Andrew DeWolf: Mary Ann Christmas.

[23:46] Robbie Rozelle: So it's literally it's it's Santa Claus 2.

[23:51] Andrew DeWolf: That's gonna leave a mark.

[23:53] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah.

[23:53] Andrew DeWolf: Cinco Paul, get at us.

[23:56] Robbie Rozelle: There is absolutely no way that these are not inspired.

[23:59] Andrew DeWolf: Like Santa Claus 2 just saw that they saw this, took it.

[24:03] Robbie Rozelle: It only came to a head of how ridiculous it all was when we get to the song My Daddy, where Miss Hannigan's little friend's like, you know, I don't think your daddy's gonna be looking for you.

[24:16] Andrew DeWolf: You see, we found a replacement version of you, and he loves her now.

[24:20] Robbie Rozelle: Don't think your old man Warbucks is coming for you, Annie, because he don't even know you're born.

[24:25] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, he does.

[24:26] Robbie Rozelle: He does too.

[24:28] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know how to tell you this, Ted, but Miss Hannigan found the little girl, and she made her look and talk just like you.

[24:37] Robbie Rozelle: And your father's probably having milk and cookies with her right now.

[24:42] Andrew DeWolf: And he's like, oh my daddy will come for me.

[24:46] Robbie Rozelle: How dark this time is for me.

[24:49] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm just like, this is our lowest point moment, I guess.

[24:52] Robbie Rozelle: What's really great, what's really great too is that they know that we have as an audience no faith that Daddy Warbucks would actually recognize the real Annie.

[25:02] Andrew DeWolf: None.

[25:02] Robbie Rozelle: And they play on that by having him walk over and pick up the fake Annie.

[25:06] Andrew DeWolf: Uh-huh.

[25:07] Robbie Rozelle: And we're supposed to be like, oh my god, he actually thinks that that's the real Annie.

[25:11] Andrew DeWolf: And he does like a psych.

[25:13] Robbie Rozelle: But like we have no faith in Daddy Warbucks at all.

[25:17] Andrew DeWolf: Like, just none.

[25:18] Robbie Rozelle: Well, that's just most Republican billionaires.

[25:21] Andrew DeWolf: I'm pretty sure Elon Musk wouldn't recognize his own children.

[25:24] Robbie Rozelle: There are some songs in Annie 2 that are good. A Younger Man is a beautiful song, but you go on as a gorgeous song.

[25:32] Andrew DeWolf: But that goes into Annie Warbucks.

[25:34] Robbie Rozelle: Like all the good songs came over.

[25:37] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[25:38] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah.

[25:39] Andrew DeWolf: And then Annie 2, that song Annie 2, U U U could be Annie 2, became uh you uh became above the law.

[25:48] Robbie Rozelle: Like which fully different lyric.

[25:50] Andrew DeWolf: I think Annie 2 is a much funnier song title.

[25:53] Robbie Rozelle: Yes.

[25:54] Andrew DeWolf: They should they should reuse it for Joker 2.

[25:56] Robbie Rozelle: They should.

[25:57] Andrew DeWolf: You, you, you could be Joker 2.

[26:01] Robbie Rozelle: That is sure.

[26:03] Andrew DeWolf: That's honestly Annie 2 Miss Hannigan's Revenge is truly a villain origin story.

[26:09] Robbie Rozelle: But it's yeah.

[26:11] Andrew DeWolf: My villain origin story.

[26:12] Robbie Rozelle: Correct.

[26:12] Andrew DeWolf: Robbie.

[26:13] Robbie Rozelle: And when it opened, like it got such bad reviews that they kept changing it through the run.

[26:18] Andrew DeWolf: So, like the original song stack is nothing like the song stack when they close.

[26:23] Robbie Rozelle: It's nuts.

[26:24] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[26:25] Robbie Rozelle: What is your question?

[26:26] Andrew DeWolf: Well, I mean I was just gonna ask, which Annie 2 do you like better? Miss Hannigan's Revenge or a Royal Adventure?

[26:33] Robbie Rozelle: Oh god.

[26:34] Andrew DeWolf: Uh probably uh Miss Hannigan's Revenge.

[26:37] Robbie Rozelle: And that's mostly because that other Annie is annoying as F.

[26:42] Andrew DeWolf: You don't like Ashley Johnson?

[26:43] Robbie Rozelle: No, you still get Dorothy Louden.

[26:46] Andrew DeWolf: Dorothy Loudon swanning about a stage just screaming words.

[26:51] Robbie Rozelle: We should probably also describe Annie to a Royal Adventure for those of our audience that do not understand what we're saying.

[26:57] Andrew DeWolf: Ashley Johnson plays Annie, she stops British 9-11 by helping Emperor Palpatine.

[27:03] Robbie Rozelle: That's that's it.

[27:03] Andrew DeWolf: Don't we have a don't we have a commentary on this?

[27:05] Robbie Rozelle: We did do a commentary on this on our Patreon.

[27:09] Andrew DeWolf: Well, there you go, guys.

[27:10] Robbie Rozelle: Five dollars a month.

[27:11] Andrew DeWolf: I don't I have no idea.

[27:15] Robbie Rozelle: Five dollars if you're cheap, I guess.

[27:17] Andrew DeWolf: We usually expect a hundred dollars at least from our real patrons.

[27:22] Robbie Rozelle: Sure.

[27:23] Andrew DeWolf: Um well let's move on to Annie Warbucks then, as a discussion piece.

[27:29] Robbie Rozelle: Um Robbie, what's the big difference between Annie Warbucks and like what did they change?

[27:35] Andrew DeWolf: So they jets in Hannigan altogether.

[27:38] Robbie Rozelle: Uh they keep the plot about um you gotta get married.

[27:44] Andrew DeWolf: Right.

[27:45] Robbie Rozelle: But uh instead of a senator who is like you you have to do this, it's like a commissioner, a children's commissioner, which makes more sense.

[27:54] Andrew DeWolf: Child welfare commissioner.

[27:56] Robbie Rozelle: Yes, that's her title.

[27:58] Andrew DeWolf: And that makes sense, right?

[27:59] Robbie Rozelle: I mean, not great sense, because he's the richest man in the world, and you just say, get fucked.

[28:07] Andrew DeWolf: Get out.

[28:08] Robbie Rozelle: Also, the oh also, both of these musicals hinge on the plot that Annie has needs a mom, or daddy Warbucks can't raise her.

[28:16] Andrew DeWolf: And then in Annie Warbucks, it's confirmed that was made up so they could steal his money.

[28:21] Robbie Rozelle: So that wasn't a real New York law. They just made it up.

[28:24] Andrew DeWolf: Right.

[28:25] Robbie Rozelle: But I like how FDR clips, oh, that's the law, I guess.

[28:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, FDR is like, yeah, that's a law, totally.

[28:30] Robbie Rozelle: And they're like, no, we made that shit up, FDR. Don't you know your own government?

[28:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[28:34] Robbie Rozelle: State laws are different.

[28:36] Andrew DeWolf: And it also starts right away with uh the end of Annie, right?

[28:41] Robbie Rozelle: So it starts with a new deal for Christmas.

[28:43] Andrew DeWolf: And then record scratch, this thing happens.

[28:48] Robbie Rozelle: Um the orphans are still annoying.

[28:52] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[28:53] Robbie Rozelle: But uh there are just things that are better.

[28:56] Andrew DeWolf: There's also like this Ella character who belts.

[29:01] Robbie Rozelle: Um, and somebody's gotta do something and stuff like that.

[29:05] Andrew DeWolf: Uh and there's like that full gorgeous uh vocal breakdown in that song that's acapella.

[29:13] Robbie Rozelle: It's just a better score.

[29:15] Andrew DeWolf: And uh it would have been wonderful, which is not in Annie 2, Miss Hannigan's Revenge.

[29:20] Robbie Rozelle: The Graces song is a stunning song.

[29:24] Andrew DeWolf: It's an actual song, and there is pathos in it.

[29:28] Robbie Rozelle: Um, really like the family, the like weird kind of podunk uh.

[29:37] Andrew DeWolf: Right.

[29:38] Robbie Rozelle: Because so family.

[29:39] Andrew DeWolf: Annie decides she's gonna run away because she's caused trouble and she hops on a train.

[29:44] Jesse McAnally: And then, oh wait, hold on. I need to contextualize that really quick. She mishears her Daddy Warbucks saying, "I don't even know if I want her anymore," or something like that. Something out of context. Well, if he doesn't want me anymore, I'm gonna leave.

[29:59] Andrew DeWolf: Well, yeah. He's also spent the whole musical going, like, "If my daddy gets married, he won't love me anymore because he'll have a wife and he'll hate me."

[30:12] Robbie Rozelle: In Miss Hannigan's Revenge, nothing. Because no, nobody has any payoff in Miss Hannigan's Revenge. Sorry, Robbie. Continue with fake Annie.

[30:23] Jesse McAnally: But yes. But like Jake Annie gets a payoff.

[30:26] Robbie Rozelle: She sure does. A little, uh, $20.

[30:30] Jesse McAnally: $20. Uh, so like she hops a train and like meets this family who's it and it's obviously in the depression, blah, blah, blah. Uh, and they create the New Deal.

[30:42] Andrew DeWolf: Um, together.

[30:42] Robbie Rozelle: No, it's not the New Deal.

[30:46] Andrew DeWolf: It is, oh god. It was something about dams.

[30:49] Robbie Rozelle: It was an act about implementing dams across Tennessee. Because the New Deal was came up with in previous Annie.

[30:56] Jesse McAnally: Um, in Annie One. Uh, I'm pulling the full plot, the detail full synopsis. Annie blah blah blah. Hi, kids, I got troubles. Um, which by the way, there is a cast album of Annie Warbucks, if you can find it. Um, and it's great.

[31:17] Robbie Rozelle: So, blah blah blah. I agree. Um, she runs away. Um, and they say somebody's gotta do something, which is wild. Um, what the heck does he create?

[31:35] Andrew DeWolf: I found it. Yes, I found it. Uh, it's the Tennessee Valley Authority Act of nineteen thirty-three.

[31:42] Robbie Rozelle: Uh-huh. Um, this act created um to oversee construction of dams to control flooding, improve navigation, and create cheap electric power in Tennessee Valley Basin.

[31:51] Andrew DeWolf: Right. All because the reverend said, "Damn, damn, damn."

[31:55] Robbie Rozelle: Damn. And FDR said, "That's a good idea." And eh.

[32:02] Jesse McAnally: Uh, yes. But I just love the idea of FDR just being an old caddering old fool that stole other people's ideas and then called himself a G. Every time.

[32:11] Andrew DeWolf: Well, he's a Democrat.

[32:13] Jesse McAnally: That's true. We are good at that. Um. But it's like, uh, it's a gorgeous score, you know, uh, highly listenable and a lot more fun, I think. Like the Coney Island number that you can watch the all nine, nine and a half minutes of it that where they're just tapping like Casey Nicola is about to die.

[32:36] Robbie Rozelle: They're tapping so fast. Um, but it's pretty that number, but it doesn't pay off where like what this is is paying off.

[32:48] Andrew DeWolf: Also, Don McKechney returns to musical theater in Annie Warbucks.

[32:52] Robbie Rozelle: That was pretty big.

[32:54] Andrew DeWolf: And that she, that was her first time since Chorus Line.

[32:56] Robbie Rozelle: Since Chorus Line, yeah. And my god.

[32:59] Andrew DeWolf: And she's great. She's, uh, she and they rewrite but you go on, um, a little bit, like they improve that lyric just a hair, and it becomes a much better song because of it. And that's probably the best song in the score for me.

[33:13] Robbie Rozelle: Um, because when, uh, the Dorothy Loudon is singing it. She's like, just every three words is go on.

[33:25] Andrew DeWolf: It's like singing "Ah Paris" from Folly's. Um, I just I think it's a better score, and it's interesting. It is wildly produced. It's done everywhere.

[33:39] Robbie Rozelle: It is a very popular show. Um, you can find a but strangely, no professional recordings, no like really high quality Annie Warbucks uh bootlegs are out there. Like the one that we watched was by it was not the best cast in the world, not to not to be uh speaking out turn about amateurs.

[34:00] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the dog was played by an actual child.

[34:03] Robbie Rozelle: That's hilarious. You can watch on I think Aurora Spider Woman's um YouTube channel. Um, they have like I don't know, 50 minutes of footage.

[34:14] Andrew DeWolf: Is it no? It's eight minutes of it. Sorry.

[34:16] Robbie Rozelle: Um, but that's something.

[34:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's not good though.

[34:21] Robbie Rozelle: That is something. Um, Andrew, counterpoint. Why do you hate Annie Warbucks?

[34:25] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, why do you hate orphans and dogs?

[34:29] Jesse McAnally: Why do you hate orphans, Andrew?

[34:31] Andrew DeWolf: I hated both of these, to be clear. Um, great. Annie Warbucks, um, I just thought it was really fucking boring, and it was Annie again.

[34:46] Robbie Rozelle: Sure.

[34:47] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, there wasn't anything overtly silly like the fake Annie plot to keep me even remotely invested. Um, so it was it was kind of just like, uh, oh man, this is just more Annie, and I already didn't like Annie, so here we go.

[35:03] Jesse McAnally: Wow, you really hate orphans and dogs and high tenors.

[35:07] Andrew DeWolf: Just to wrap us up before we go into a mid-show, I think we need a little cool off before we talk about some of these songs.

[35:14] Jesse McAnally: Okay. How about we go into BREVIUS, the letterbox game? Because we never got to do this with the first Annie that we did, and I feel like it's an opportunity. So Andrew, you and Robbie are going head to head.

[35:26] Robbie Rozelle: And for context, if this is your first episode of Musicals with Cheese ever, these are real life letterbox reviews from several of the Annie adaptations, and they are either a one-star or a five-star. And Andrew and Robbie must go head to head and guess whether they're a one-star or five-star based on only the review alone.

[35:44] Jesse McAnally: Liz, you're on team Andrew, I'm on Team Robbie. Alright.

[35:49] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, you're up.

[35:50] Liz: Alright, Andrew. Give me a give me an easy one. I want to get some points on the board, you know.

[35:57] Andrew DeWolf: I'll do my best. This is the gayest movie ever made.

[36:02] Robbie Rozelle: Hmm. This is more of a game of, uh, homophobic or not homophobic. Um boom. We're gonna go, we're gonna go with five stars.

[36:10] Andrew DeWolf: That is right. It was not homophobic.

[36:12] Robbie Rozelle: Nope. Excellent.

[36:14] Jesse McAnally: Alright. Robbie. Grace Farrell Warbucks. Better radicalize Oliver.

[36:21] Robbie Rozelle: I wonder what Democrats eat with her pussy.

[36:27] Andrew DeWolf: What do Republicans eat?

[36:29] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah. Her pussy.

[36:30] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, they don't eat pussy.

[36:31] Robbie Rozelle: Oh, yeah. Women's majority of dry in Republican land.

[36:35] Andrew DeWolf: Uh one star.

[36:40] Robbie Rozelle: That is a five star because they're specifically talking about Audra McDonald's pussy, and I think that could save worlds.

[36:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

[36:51] Jesse McAnally: Oh, that one's so good. Um, that one's she is like the only good Grace Farrell, in my opinion, on screen or stage.

[36:58] Robbie Rozelle: Sure. Every other one kinda sucks.

[37:01] Andrew DeWolf: Wow, you're you're really like pouring water on Anne Rhinking.

[37:06] Jesse McAnally: Yes. So we in that yellow dress we got smoking a Siggy, we got Annie. And like that's a shimmy.

[37:15] Robbie Rozelle: She does not. From moment one, you know that what she's gonna be. Audra McDonald is no nonsense and cares about Annie first and is taking a parental figure. And also King is there to fuck.

[37:29] Andrew DeWolf: We have a reply from Cinco Paul.

[37:32] Robbie Rozelle: Oh what?

[37:35] Andrew DeWolf: Cinco Paul. I am circling no, I sadly know nothing about Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge.

[37:41] Robbie Rozelle: Oh dear. That's wild.

[37:44] Andrew DeWolf: Well, we got a real-time reply. Alright. Give me the next one.

[37:48] Robbie Rozelle: Oh yeah, I'm ready.

[37:52] Andrew DeWolf: More like scary Orbucks. That dude is creepy as fuck. Warbucks Island. Let's adopt all the orphans, Grace. Get them on a plane. Dude is scary. I'm flying to Thailand for reasons.

[38:11] Robbie Rozelle: I feel like liking Daddy Warbucks is is like you need to do that to like the movies. So we're gonna go with one star.

[38:20] Andrew DeWolf: That's actually a five.

[38:22] Robbie Rozelle: That's a fucking okay.

[38:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. People love Annie. They turn this on.

[38:28] Robbie Rozelle: Turn this on, they're like, this daddy Warbucks guy, he's creepy as fuck.

[38:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. This is a Jamie Fox.

[38:34] Robbie Rozelle: That was Albert Fitty.

[38:36] Andrew DeWolf: Oh. I'm full quench for conic.

[38:38] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Robbie.

[38:40] Robbie Rozelle: Yes.

[38:41] Andrew DeWolf: I rewatched a video today. It's good. I wish Audrey McDonald would sing to me when I'm sad.

[38:46] Robbie Rozelle: Five stars.

[38:47] Andrew DeWolf: That's a one.

[38:48] Robbie Rozelle: What?

[38:49] Andrew DeWolf: What? Do people understand how star ratings work?

[38:53] Robbie Rozelle: Not in Letterboxd.

[38:57] Andrew DeWolf: I think they disliked the movie but liked Audrey McDonald, which I get.

[39:01] Robbie Rozelle: Okay. In that movie, I love how they speed run all of Annie 2 by just having him propose at the end.

[39:08] Andrew DeWolf: That's hilarious.

[39:10] Robbie Rozelle: Victor Garber's like, I'm proposing to you, Audrey McDonald. We have no chemistry, but uh let's just let's just speedrun Annie 2 right here.

[39:17] Andrew DeWolf: I mean it's it's Audrey McDonald. You proposed to her. Like, you gotta you gotta you gotta get it.

[39:24] Robbie Rozelle: Exactly. Ed Zachary.

[39:28] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew, why does Annie have a job when her father is insanely rich?

[39:34] Robbie Rozelle: Great question.

[39:35] Andrew DeWolf: That is from Annie 2: Royal Adventure, where she has a newspaper job at the opening scene. I, you know, Annie is kind of a she was she's the type of person that would do that. I think yeah um that's why she's so obnoxious.

[39:51] Robbie Rozelle: Um, we're gonna go she LARPs as poor people.

[39:53] Andrew DeWolf: She hates orphan like the castle.

[39:55] Robbie Rozelle: She hates orphans.

[39:58] Andrew DeWolf: I'm gonna go with uh oh geez. I'm gonna go with a one star.

[40:01] Robbie Rozelle: That's one star on that.

[40:04] Andrew DeWolf: That is correct, sir.

[40:05] Robbie Rozelle: Robbie Andrew is far and away one, but for fun, let's do one more.

[40:09] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, right. I I only have two points, don't I? Robbie has zero, and this is the last one.

[40:15] Robbie Rozelle: Okay.

[40:18] Andrew DeWolf: Robbie Rozelle, a zero. You heard it here first.

[40:21] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah.

[40:23] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I am not proud of how many of these songs I already knew by heart.

[40:28] Robbie Rozelle: Five stars.

[40:30] Andrew DeWolf: That is a one star.

[40:31] Robbie Rozelle: You are a zero, Robbie.

[40:33] Andrew DeWolf: Why?

[40:33] Robbie Rozelle: No!

[40:34] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, this hurts me. This hurts me so much.

[40:41] Jesse McAnally: Robbie, if it makes you feel better when I play against Andrew, which I do all the time, I commonly get zero points. So you're not alone.

[40:48] Andrew DeWolf: Listen, it has to do with him hating musicals and orphans and dogs.

[40:53] Jesse McAnally: So I get it. Yeah. And all children in general.

[40:56] Andrew DeWolf: He's very focused. You know. Notice there's no DeWolf Island.

[41:00] Jesse McAnally: Alright, let's go to a mix show, then we'll talk about some songs.

[41:11] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[41:12] Jesse McAnally: Hey guys. Sorry to interrupt you in the middle of the show, but we've got a shill at you. Today's show is brought to you by the extremely kind donations by our donors over at Patreon. Patreon is this wonderful place where you can get a lot of cool content, including not one, not two, but three Annie commentaries. So if you really like us talking about Annie, you can see any more than you want.

[41:34] Andrew DeWolf: Annie isn't Annie anymore.

[41:36] Jesse McAnally: Um also you can see a lot of cool commentaries on other stuff, like a goofy movie, and me and Liz are doing a breakdowns of Hasbin Hotel. We'll get back to it. I just can't stand that show, so maybe it's a bit of a hard swallow for me. I don't like it. Sorry, Robbie.

[41:51] Robbie Rozelle: I love a hard swallow.

[41:53] Jesse McAnally: Um, thank you. Um, and also on Patreon, you get the extended video episodes, and I'm sure Andrew's gonna cut a lot out of this episode. Specifically, and it's gonna be a two-hour episode if I don't. And if you're not on our Patreon, you're missing out on a lot of content. Specifically, Robbie Rozelle's face and his incredible background. And oh my god, Robbie Rozelle is doing backflips.

[42:20] Andrew DeWolf: And yeah, he's doing a beautiful dance, too.

[42:23] Jesse McAnally: And Sandy the dog will be there. And there's actual dog. Oh my gosh, Sandy. Hey girl, dumb dog. That's gonna be your next cabaret performance is uh dumb dog from the little girl who's on my first album, so yeah, anything anything can happen.

[42:43] Robbie Rozelle: Eventually you gotta start pulling songs from Annie Warbucks or Annie 2.

[42:46] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Could happen. What if I just walked on and sang both above the law and you could be Annie 2?

[42:53] Robbie Rozelle: You should open with U could be Robbie too.

[42:56] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I don't need a clone. The world does not need two of me. That's like the sideshow sisters. They don't need me.

[43:03] Robbie Rozelle: I love that they included an Annie 2 title track. That's I think that's hilarious. It's like those key and feel sketches of them say those fake movie songs that the guide, the Ghostbusters guy did with just the title.

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[44:39] Andrew DeWolf: Best production of Spelling Bee I had ever seen.

[44:41] Robbie Rozelle: Great.

[44:42] Andrew DeWolf: So we didn't plan to go, it just happened to be there, and I went, and it was great.

[44:47] Robbie Rozelle: 10 out of 10.

[44:47] Andrew DeWolf: Would you go to the show?

[44:48] Robbie Rozelle: Go see community theater.

[44:49] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Miranda was with me.

[44:51] Robbie Rozelle: Okay, good.

[44:52] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, yeah.

[44:53] Robbie Rozelle: No notes.

[44:53] Andrew DeWolf: Great.

[44:54] Robbie Rozelle: Um, truly.

[44:54] Andrew DeWolf: Spelling Bee's a hard show to fuck up, though.

[44:57] Robbie Rozelle: Um, so let's talk about some of these songs.

[44:59] Andrew DeWolf: Um, Changes, I feel like is the one that they want to be Tomorrow.

[44:59] Robbie Rozelle: They want to be the big number, maybe the one that maybe even like the maybe of the song show, maybe more than anything else.

[45:13] Andrew DeWolf: Changes.

[45:15] Robbie Rozelle: Changes.

[45:17] Andrew DeWolf: That's what life's about.

[45:22] Robbie Rozelle: Changes.

[45:24] Andrew DeWolf: Sometimes turn you inside out.

[45:31] Robbie Rozelle: Maybe this is what's called rowing.

[45:37] Andrew DeWolf: Hey, be brave, and keep on going.

[45:43] Robbie Rozelle: Wonder what'll happen when we turn into three.

[45:52] Andrew DeWolf: Will y'all need her more than you need me?

[45:58] Robbie Rozelle: It's scary.

[46:01] Andrew DeWolf: Shakey.

[46:03] Robbie Rozelle: Everything is strange.

[46:06] Andrew DeWolf: We move.

[46:14] Robbie Rozelle: I think it's good.

[46:15] Andrew DeWolf: I think it's cute.

[46:17] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, I well I would think that they would want When You Smile to be their like big song.

[46:23] Andrew DeWolf: Their Tomorrow.

[46:24] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, but that's not an Annie song, though.

[46:26] Andrew DeWolf: That is a Warbucks song that Annie's in.

[46:29] Robbie Rozelle: Right.

[46:29] Andrew DeWolf: Like I don't need anything but you.

[46:32] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, but no one's playing that like on their iPod.

[46:35] Andrew DeWolf: They're all playing Tomorrow or Maybe or Hard Knock Life.

[46:38] Robbie Rozelle: No, I was playing NYC because I stan Lori Beach.

[46:42] Andrew DeWolf: I love NYC too. I defended it in our last episode hardcore, but started being screaming.

[46:48] Robbie Rozelle: They're not the ones everyone talks about.

[46:51] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[46:53] Robbie Rozelle: Okay, it's not the one that Normie's talking about.

[46:56] Andrew DeWolf: It's the one that theater people talk about.

[46:57] Robbie Rozelle: Yes, great. Um, what did you think of Changes, Andrew? Do you remember it?

[47:01] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, yeah, the remember it part is probably the better question.

[47:08] Robbie Rozelle: You watched two versions and the song was in both versions.

[47:13] Andrew DeWolf: Um, no, I think I actually do remember this one, because this is when Warbucks is talking about having to get married or whatever and how what's gonna change, right?

[47:22] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, Annie's worried that like will he love her more than me?

[47:28] Andrew DeWolf: Which is a weird thing. It's the song where it establishes the idea that Annie's upset about will he love more and then they don't pay it off at all in the first one. They do in sort of in the second one but not really. Um, yeah, it sounds like an Annie song at the very least like that you can give it like it sounds like this belongs in a sequel to the original Annie. Man, you should replace Ben Brantley, fuck Jesse Green, just step in there.

[48:00] Robbie Rozelle: I don't have particularly high praise for these that I'm not saying a phrase I'm saying have thoughts. My thoughts are that I was bored to tears by Annie Warbucks. Um, I did not give half a shit about the commissioner and her dumb plan.

[48:00] Andrew DeWolf: What are you saying that you didn't like Above the Law where they sing about how both—

[48:33] Andrew DeWolf: You don't like when Ella sings a song about love wriggling inside you? That one's like—

[48:33] Robbie Rozelle: Not even remotely, no. I was like this story's already over, like what the fuck is this? Why does he have to get married?

[48:33] Robbie Rozelle: I guess I didn't write those lyrics but someone did. This one of the songs that I liked better, the best out of all of these was the song that Miss Hannigan sings in that one about how she if she could just get this one, you know, she'll never do it again.

[49:05] Andrew DeWolf: That would be a good one.

[49:07] Robbie Rozelle: Just let me get away with this one. I thought that was a funny song. I like that one. You know, her song in the first one was "Little Girls," "Easy Street," two words.

[49:14] Andrew DeWolf: And then we got "Just Let Me Get Away with This One."

[49:19] Robbie Rozelle: I mean, it's not the best lyrically, but I think the concept is funny where it's just like she's a piece of shit, and she's just like, well, if I just get this one scam, I'll never have to do it again. I swear.

[49:30] Andrew DeWolf: I'm surprised you don't like the commissioner because they are also con people.

[49:36] Robbie Rozelle: She's like a black widow murderer, but like the commissioner's like a twist con person, though.

[49:43] Andrew DeWolf: Like you don't find out until later.

[49:45] Robbie Rozelle: I mean, if you know any story plot semblance of like, oh, there's only one way this can go, you can pretty much figure it out from scene one.

[49:52] Andrew DeWolf: Well, I mean, it's the same plot as the first one, and that's not what happens in the first one. Miss Hannigan shows up in the first one.

[49:59] Robbie Rozelle: I guess, I guess. Um, let's—I like "A Younger Man" a lot.

[50:04] Andrew DeWolf: It feels a lot like—

[50:04] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, it's a really cute song led in by a really creepy line where it's like she's not too young for me, but I'm too old for her.

[50:17] Andrew DeWolf: Uh-huh.

[50:18] Robbie Rozelle: She's a lovely thing and she belongs in the arms of a young government.

[50:38] Andrew DeWolf: She's the breath of spring.

[50:41] Robbie Rozelle: That's the fall.

[50:58] Andrew DeWolf: He's got a weird sort of—Warbucks has like a weird kind of like incel vibe going on in this show where he's like, I'm too ugly for women. They would never love me.

[51:10] Robbie Rozelle: What do you mean? I'm too ugly to ever be loved.

[51:14] Andrew DeWolf: He also doesn't want to date women his own age, so like who do you want to date?

[51:18] Robbie Rozelle: Men, children.

[51:23] Andrew DeWolf: Orphans, Andrew.

[51:25] Robbie Rozelle: Orphans, little orphans, Andrew.

[51:28] Andrew DeWolf: Um, God.

[51:30] Robbie Rozelle: Little, little orphans, Andrew. Little orphans and other single channels.

[51:35] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no.

[51:37] Robbie Rozelle: I can feel my pupils disappear already.

[51:39] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, his face is so red, y'all.

[51:42] Robbie Rozelle: I'm so sorry. That was very funny.

[51:45] Andrew DeWolf: Um, so "A Younger Man" is a cute little song. It's a little sincere, and I like it. Then we have "But You Go On," which is a dark, weird song.

[51:56] Robbie Rozelle: Love it.

[51:57] Andrew DeWolf: But I also like it a lot. You fall in love, man. You swear it's not a crush. You think he's God, you find out he's Fuller Brush.

[52:08] Robbie Rozelle: And no, we can't lush, but you go on.

[52:16] Andrew DeWolf: Have a baby, rent a furnished flat. Five flights of stairs, ten hours a day. Christmas dinner at the automatic.

[52:35] Robbie Rozelle: Sometimes you cry. Most times you pray.

[52:42] Andrew DeWolf: Come home late and find a scribbled note.

[52:52] Robbie Rozelle: Forgive me, John. He's off to chime. His dream is bubbly and blonde and twenty-two.

[53:05] Andrew DeWolf: So what else is new?

[53:07] Robbie Rozelle: But you go on.

[53:12] Andrew DeWolf: Probably my favorite song.

[53:14] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah. Good story song that like starts somewhere and ends somewhere. And you're like, oh shit, I'm in. Like I want to watch that dame's journey. I wish she was a character. I wish she was like an actual human that lived that life, because that is a compelling song that is now just wasted time.

[53:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[53:34] Robbie Rozelle: Um, two more songs that I want to talk about briefly is "I Got Me" and "Hurting Means Crying," and crying is something I'm thinking I don't want to do.

[54:05] Andrew DeWolf: I'm something to eat. Maybe I wind up just dancing for pennies. I'm sleeping in Ali's line, I'll find this turn.

[54:49] Robbie Rozelle: That one is just like we're gonna squeeze in all the lines from all the songs we liked in the last musical, right?

[54:54] Andrew DeWolf: Nah.

[54:56] Robbie Rozelle: Like maybe and Tomorrow and all that. It's all in there.

[55:01] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[55:01] Robbie Rozelle: And it just makes me—

[55:04] Andrew DeWolf: And that was in Annie Warbucks.

[55:07] Robbie Rozelle: Not Annie 2.

[55:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[55:09] Robbie Rozelle: Yes, that was just in Annie Warbucks.

[55:11] Andrew DeWolf: Why?

[55:12] Robbie Rozelle: It's a—don't like that song.

[55:14] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's fine.

[55:15] Robbie Rozelle: C minus, C minus. And then we gotta—then the other song that you said that you liked was "When You Smile," and I also don't like this song.

[55:24] Andrew DeWolf: This song is also like—and I believe what I said is that that's the song they were trying to make the hit.

[55:35] Robbie Rozelle: When you're mild like my knowing alone, nowhere to go, nothing clearer.

[55:53] Andrew DeWolf: I think we're in gotta give it—we're like a fear when the climb got me all right, could I have there a lot of—well, they should have wrote a better song if they were trying to do that.

[56:40] Robbie Rozelle: Fully, yes.

[56:41] Andrew DeWolf: And you know, like this Annie Warbucks and Annie 2 spawned two different albums. There's an off-Broadway album of Annie Warbucks, but then there's an album that's like Annie, the Annie 2 stories and songs from the sequel that was packaged with a studio album of Annie that was touring at the time.

[57:02] Robbie Rozelle: But like Carol Burnett shows up and like does bridging and this is what's happening in the plot as like Kathy Lee Gifford then sings a song, or you know, somebody else, and all the songs that were written for Annie 2 but not recorded in Annie Warbucks showed up on that. It's insane.

[57:21] Andrew DeWolf: I'm glad it exists, just as far as like having that as media.

[57:29] Robbie Rozelle: Um, but still neither of these are particularly good.

[57:34] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm shocked to my core that Annie Warbucks got as rave reviews as it did.

[57:39] Robbie Rozelle: And one it won a Drama Desk or an Aura Critic Circle, it won one of them for like best musical.

[57:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[57:46] Robbie Rozelle: And I don't get it.

[57:48] Andrew DeWolf: That's nice.

[57:48] Robbie Rozelle: Well, it shows you how dire things were in the times of the Lloyd Webber musicals.

[57:55] Andrew DeWolf: 93.

[57:57] Robbie Rozelle: So what was on Tony's 1994?

[58:00] Andrew DeWolf: That was the Passion year.

[58:03] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah.

[58:04] Andrew DeWolf: No, uh, yeah, 94 would have been Passion, Beauty and the Beast.

[58:07] Robbie Rozelle: Uh-huh.

[58:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that would be. But like Dark Time. Do you think if Annie Warbucks had made it to Broadway in that season?

[58:17] Robbie Rozelle: It would have done anything to all that.

[58:19] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, no, I think the children or family musical was Beauty and the Beast, and let's be real. Like Broadway in that time was just dire.

[58:29] Robbie Rozelle: The only great things that happened in that season were the revivals that year. That was the year of She Loves Me, Grease with Rosie O'Donnell, Damn Yankees with Bebe Neuwirth and Victor Garber, and Carousel, that carousel at Lincoln Center.

[58:44] Andrew DeWolf: And I remember that because that's how the Tonys opened was with a huge medley of all of those that was gorgeous.

[58:51] Robbie Rozelle: What if they had opened an Annie revival where Annie 2 was the second half?

[58:58] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, kind of Angels in America style.

[59:01] Robbie Rozelle: What they did when they closed this down in DC, they still had the set and everything, so they rolled that into a tour of Annie, like a revival of Annie. Because Dorothy Louden took off. She's like, I'm out. I'm good. I have my memories.

[59:19] Andrew DeWolf: Um, they tried to like remount Annie 2 at the Goodspeed, and it died again.

[59:27] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and so that's when they wrote Hannigan out completely, and Annie Warbucks was sort of born out of the ashes.

[59:34] Robbie Rozelle: To be the Seussical of its day.

[59:36] Andrew DeWolf: Um, you mean well loved and forever remembered?

[59:39] Robbie Rozelle: Well loved by community and school productions, yeah.

[59:43] Andrew DeWolf: So not loved at all.

[59:44] Robbie Rozelle: Alright!

[59:48] Jesse McAnally: What is our overall thoughts on Annie 2, Miss Hannigan's Revenge, and Annie Warbucks, each getting their own respective cheese ratings?

[59:56] Andrew DeWolf: Oh shit. Andrew, why don't you start us off?

[59:59] Andrew DeWolf: I know I really put the effort on. Yeah, so um. I didn't like either of these. Uh personally. I'm not a huge fan of Annie for reasons I'm sure I've explained somewhere, I guess. I don't know. Uh I just find the Annie character to be somewhat annoying, and it's a very repetitive, like they kind of just do the same things over and over again. It's like Warbucks jokes about Democrats and him being rich and Annie saying golly G and Leapin' Lizards and whatever. Uh and it's just kind of I I don't know. This just feels like more of the same and worse.

[1:00:39] Jesse McAnally: Uh so you think this is worse than the first Annie?

[1:00:43] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, absolutely. Because I thought you'd say, oh, it's just on par, it's more of the same.

[1:00:47] Jesse McAnally: No, no.

[1:00:48] Andrew DeWolf: That was honestly what I thought was. No, I mean, there's like a there's a scale, like there's a bottom, you know, it goes, it keeps going. Uh Annie 2 is definitely worse than Annie.

[1:01:01] Jesse McAnally: Um I think that you'd you'd be uh an a bit of an absurd person if you you didn't admit that. Um so yeah, not a huge fan. Um I'm gonna give both of these uh grilled cheese from the Weeping Lizard Cafe. Um, which uh yeah, and grilled cheese is like a you know low-quality uh sandwich, so there you go.

[1:01:28] Liz: Alright, Liz, you're up next.

[1:01:30] Robbie Rozelle: Depends how you make it.

[1:01:31] Liz: Yeah. I'm just like, what? This is a this was on the kids' menu, so it's just American.

[1:01:37] Robbie Rozelle: God, it's a McDonald's book. Comforting.

[1:01:41] Liz: Uh so Annie's two handing's revenge is kind of a blur for me, because my god, the clone Annie showed up and like things got weird, and I was real out of it. So, like, you know, it's kind of a blur. But then both of these are a blur. These are both bad, but they're both different types of bad. Like Annie War Annie Hannigan's Revenge is just kind of insane because like there's a clone Annie, and there's facial reconstruction surgery, and like there's a lot of shit going on here.

[1:02:07] Andrew DeWolf: And then the second one is like, oh, I have to get I had to get yeah, islands.

[1:02:11] Liz: Uh wait, wait, wait, hold on. I'm so sorry to interrupt, Liz, but both this and Love Never Dies.

[1:02:16] Andrew DeWolf: Coney Island.

[1:02:18] Liz: Oh no!

[1:02:19] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe maybe Coney Island is the problem with these sequels.

[1:02:23] Liz: Coney Island. Coney Island.

[1:02:25] Andrew DeWolf: Um yeah, uh, so the second one's just kind of it more boring. Uh everyone's oh, yeah, and guys on Frizz.

[1:02:34] Liz: Alright, so uh the second one's just kind of boring. Can you guys hear me?

[1:02:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah.

[1:02:39] Liz: Okay, cool. We're just listening for once. So you guys usually interrupt me, so I was essentially like, oh, you guys can't hear me. Anyway, uh I'll restart my thought for it's sake of Andrew's sanity. Annie Warbucks is kind of boring in comparison because there's no clones or boats or prisons or anything. It's just like, I gotta get married, and FDR is there. So, yeah, they're both insane. Uh, check them out if you can find them. And you're drunk.

[1:03:11] Liz: Uh I'm gonna give this both of these because they blend together in my head. Mac and cheese made with one dollar pasta and a break of government cheese. Because, like, it's a good idea, but the ingredients aren't working.

[1:03:26] Andrew DeWolf: I like that. This is a good metaphor.

[1:03:28] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah. Hi. Thank you so much. So again, I do think the original Annie is a very well constructed piece of theater. And so it's a very good cheese. Annie 2! Miss Hannigan's Revenge is a bore sin. It is you touch it and it crumbles. It falls apart and melts very easily. Um, it is Annie Warbucks is a cra a box of craft mac and cheese, but with the dust. That dust cheese that you have to like pour in. It's not even the sauce. It's uh you have to make it somehow. It's comforting and it goes down easily, but it's uh and it's better constructed than what came before it, but it's it's still not like wonderful. It exists, much like craft mac and cheese.

[1:04:22] Jesse McAnally: Good one, good one.

[1:04:24] Robbie Rozelle: Alright, guys. I've talked a lot during this episode, but I don't think I gave many opinions. I set up a lot of opinions. I let others speak, and I uh try to put uh thoughts against each other, but here I am having to give my own thoughts. Both Annie twos are better than any one.

[1:04:44] Andrew DeWolf: Get the fuck out of here.

[1:04:45] Liz: Get the fuck out of here, man.

[1:04:46] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[1:04:47] Jesse McAnally: No.

[1:04:48] Andrew DeWolf: You should practice self.

[1:04:50] Jesse McAnally: Annie 2s are better than the first Annie.

[1:04:52] Andrew DeWolf: Anyone may be born.

[1:04:54] Liz: You want to be Mike's to Kwaso so bad right now, but you're not.

[1:04:57] Andrew DeWolf: I'm not. I'm being so serious.

[1:04:59] Jesse McAnally: Oh my god, you're also gonna give you a copy of the Devil's Sun to put in this episode.

[1:05:03] Andrew DeWolf: Um that's a disgusting opinion, and I hope you feel bad about it. I even saw that revival with Nell Carter, and it's better constructed, and you can't sink that ship.

[1:05:17] Robbie Rozelle: What I will say is Annie 2 goes back to the comic book roots of Little Orphan Annie. They go to high places, broad adventures, and Annie goes on the road for a change. We see the sights outside of New York City. It does what every good sequel should do.

[1:05:38] Jesse McAnally: He's so full of shit.

[1:05:41] Robbie Rozelle: Expands the purview of Annie so that she's not just within her wealthy, well-intentioned places, but she sees other individuals' points of view and touches their lives in a Paddington-esque way, where she finds this one family and increases their lives for the better. And that is just in Annie Warbucks. In Annie 2, her main archeminent and nemesis gets more depth. We get to see a little bit more of what is expected of her. I would say that Miss Hannigan is given depth that she was ignored in the first in the first Annie.

[1:06:18] Liz: Yes.

[1:06:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[1:06:23] Liz: No.

[1:06:23] Andrew DeWolf: Like she's fucking wandering around making marmalade.

[1:06:27] Robbie Rozelle: I compared Annie Warbucks to Paddington. That's even worse somehow.

[1:06:33] Jesse McAnally: And I think Are you quoting like a channel? You should write something up before this episode.

[1:06:38] Andrew DeWolf: Who are you quoting right now?

[1:06:39] Robbie Rozelle: These are my opinions.

[1:06:42] Andrew DeWolf: Or is this organic?

[1:06:44] Robbie Rozelle: You're so full of shit.

[1:06:45] Andrew DeWolf: I am being as sincere as I ever have been on this video.

[1:06:51] Liz: Such bullshit.

[1:06:52] Andrew DeWolf: Did you watch the same things?

[1:06:58] Robbie Rozelle: I let you guys have your moments.

[1:07:01] Andrew DeWolf: No one has ever been more full of shit than you are.

[1:07:03] Robbie Rozelle: I let you have your opinions. I did not fight back. Let me convey my thoughts.

[1:07:08] Jesse McAnally: Our opinions made sense.

[1:07:09] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Are you saying that that my opinions are less valid because they don't line up as perfectly as yours?

[1:07:17] Robbie Rozelle: Did you watch the same things we did?

[1:07:20] Andrew DeWolf: I did twice because I was that compelled by them.

[1:07:23] Liz: What?

[1:07:24] Andrew DeWolf: Now the one thing clone Annie on a boat. This fucking guy.

[1:07:29] Robbie Rozelle: The one thing we didn't talk about, but that's a really, really funny sight gag in Annie 2 is when they do they start to unravel the plan on their little tugboat and a huge cruise boat goes by and like the boat just like tilts. It's very funny.

[1:07:49] Liz: It got a huge response.

[1:07:52] Robbie Rozelle: That was great. It was the only thing worth it. Clone Annie is great. I don't know.

[1:07:59] Jesse McAnally: Jesse loved it from tip to tail. I predict that in a merrily we roll along, like comeback, when this comes to Broadway again, with I will say Andrew McArdle playing Miss Hannigan and or our brand new characters, depending on which version they do, because either way, it is an artistic choice.

[1:08:19] Andrew DeWolf: I'm too famous for this.

[1:08:22] Robbie Rozelle: Let me blur his background. Like, where did you pull this?

[1:08:26] Andrew DeWolf: Commissioner Doyle could be a perfect return to Broadway for Andrew McCardle.

[1:08:31] Liz: No.

[1:08:32] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[1:08:33] Liz: Miss Kelly would also be a choice, but I feel like that might be a stretch.

[1:08:36] Robbie Rozelle: So, my cheese ratings for these two classic musicals that were not given their right shot, and the critics got so right with Annie Warbucks. Um, for any um two, Miss Hannigan's Revenge, I am giving it a great value single American pasteurized prepared cheese product. Um, and then, you know, because it's fatty, but it is still like cheddar, and I'm giving Annie Warbucks extra thin American cheese slices from craft singles. Because it's the same cheese, but it's a little thinner, a little leaner, goes down a little better.

[1:09:11] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god, I hate it.

[1:09:14] Liz: I don't think Robbie's gonna ever come back.

[1:09:16] Jesse McAnally: I think where's it never come back to the show?

[1:09:19] Andrew DeWolf: Where's the reveal? Like, who who who are you quoting there?

[1:09:21] Robbie Rozelle: Yeah, who are you quoting? What's the what's the joke?

[1:09:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, is it a New York Times article?

[1:09:25] Robbie Rozelle: There's no joke. I have opinions.

[1:09:27] Andrew DeWolf: Were you just sitting in glass house over overhearing somebody talk about Illinois?

[1:09:37] Robbie Rozelle: Um, no, they're like really defending the new Great Gatsby, and that's who I stole it from.

[1:09:42] Andrew DeWolf: Which one?

[1:09:43] Robbie Rozelle: Uh guys, I was vague on purpose. Let me let me tie that into this. Great Gatsby, Myrtle gets hit by a car. That's not a spoiler, it's in the book. But in this production on Broadway, she is dressed like Katie Finneran's Miss Hannigan, and as it happened, I turned to the person I was with and I said, They just ran over Miss Hannigan. It should have been in Great Gatsby, is what I mean. That's the ending of Miss Hannigan's Revenge that they don't want us to see.

[1:10:14] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Speaking of not wanting us to see things, Robbie.

[1:10:19] Robbie Rozelle: Uh-huh.

[1:10:20] Jesse McAnally: You have such an incredible eclectic presence on the internet. I want you to take this moment to promote everything out there for you so people can find it.

[1:10:29] Robbie Rozelle: I'm so easily Google and findable. I'm D.Va Robbie on all platforms because I make it simple for you because what branding. Um, and you can find my discography on Spotify and please stream it overnight while you're asleep so that I can get guacamole on my Chibole. Um a new single is coming soon. Um, awesome. And also, if people want all the wonderful bootlegs that including Annie 2 Miss Hannigan's Revenge, follow them on Robbie's YouTube channel, Robbie Rosel.

[1:11:03] Jesse McAnally: It's Diva Robbie.

[1:11:04] Robbie Rozelle: Um, yeah, you need more subscribers because you're you're doing God's work over there.

[1:11:08] Jesse McAnally: I've got over 2K. It's monetized.

[1:11:10] Robbie Rozelle: Alright, alright. All right. But I'll take more. Um, putting up all the Sondheim uh Kennedy Center productions, which are very important. Thank God for that. Specifically the Marly production, which was something I've been salivating Clover clips of.

[1:11:26] Jesse McAnally: Perfect.

[1:11:27] Robbie Rozelle: It's perfect. So good. Um speaking of people that are so good, thank you guys for listening. And please follow us in iTunes and Spotify at Musicals with Cheese, or on Twitter at Cheesy Musicals, Patreon Musicals for Cheese, and Square Musical's Cheese, YouTube page, Musicals of Cheese, Patreon only podcast, Patreon with cheese. Check it out, we got some cool shit. Email us at musical theater lives at gmail.com to tell them how wrong they are about both Annies and that they're truly ignoring the genius of the sequel musical done right. Um, our keeper of the cheese is Juliet Antonio.

[1:11:56] Robbie Rozelle: Juliet, for Juliet, they write ASMR. Would you mind giving us a a line from Annie 2 done in ASMR?

[1:12:06] Robbie Rozelle: Ooh. I will say this is the choice. I don't think anyone's ever gonna tackle Grace Aki's like ranking as like the the best at that, apparently. They said Laura Crone is pretty good at ASMR.

[1:12:20] Jesse McAnally: Okay, okay.

[1:12:21] Robbie Rozelle: Okay, those two are up there. I don't know. I I try, but I've never rebelter to do ASMR. That's not kind. This is not a hero mix. I just scream on a pitch.

[1:12:33] Liz: You are Paul Lind Energy all the way.

[1:12:35] Robbie Rozelle: Oh my god, yes. He would be so good as Miss Hannigan.

[1:12:39] Liz: He would.

[1:12:40] Robbie Rozelle: He'd be good at his rooster all of you.

[1:12:45] Liz: And did that stewy head tilt? Cause you heard go.

[1:12:49] Robbie Rozelle: Little girls.

[1:12:51] Liz: Like a side.

[1:12:54] Robbie Rozelle: Like, you know, when he's in Bible Bernie, I don't want your respect.

[1:12:58] Jesse McAnally: It's perfect. Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform and for not kicking us off for you know Warbucks Island propaganda. Um this show is edited by Andrew DeWolf. If you are hearing this, he probably did a really good job on it, and you're getting only half the content because he did a good job. Um right.

[1:13:20] Jesse McAnally: Anything else we have left to say before we wrap this on up?

[1:13:24] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, quick plug for the YouTube channel that we have that we haven't uploaded in a while.

[1:13:29] Liz: Uh two years ago, I made a video cutting down the live stream Jess had with Brent Black and Sideways talking about the Annie live NBC production, which is on YouTube. It's like 20 minutes, so check it out if you want to get some more Annie content from us.

[1:13:44] Andrew DeWolf: I gotta be honest, I I think I might have gone a little too hard.

[1:13:50] Liz: You 100% did go too hard.

[1:13:52] Andrew DeWolf: Um, whoops. Annie ain't just Annie anymore.

[1:14:05] Jesse McAnally: There, that's good enough.