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[0:00] Unknown speaker: Being on stage feels like someone else, but also more yourself than you've ever felt. This feels like getting to live in your imagination. Seeing everyone again brought back so many memories. Being able to be in this show will be one of the greatest treasures of my life.

[0:22] Jess Esten: Hello and welcome back to Patreon with Cheese. I am joined as always by my wonderful editor and good friend Elizabeth Esten.

[0:31] Elizabeth Esten: Hello.

[0:32] Jess Esten: Are we at that point in our relationship where I can call you a good friend?

[0:35] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[0:36] Jess Esten: I would say so.

[0:37] Elizabeth Esten: Okay.

[0:38] Jess Esten: It's not just like professional colleague anymore. It's just good friends.

[0:41] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, I'd say we're friends.

[0:42] Jess Esten: I'd say we're friends at this point.

[0:44] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, we're not even we're not good friends yet. We're just friends.

[0:46] Jess Esten: No, no, we're good friends.

[0:48] Elizabeth Esten: I'm just we're friends.

[0:50] Jess Esten: Alright, alright, alright. Um, speaking of friends, we're back at Encore, and we're covering two episodes. We want to get the rest of this over with so we can get on to more fun things. So we're covering two episodes a week now. So this is episode seven and eight.

[1:02] Elizabeth Esten: Um, let's dive into episode seven first. Um, what we got, Liz?

[1:06] Elizabeth Esten: We got Godspell in, um, I forgot what state.

[1:11] Jess Esten: Um, I think it was Austin.

[1:14] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, I think it's Texas.

[1:15] Jess Esten: Uh, we got Godspell, they're from like the 90s, so they're in their 30s now, I think.

[1:21] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, I mean they look great.

[1:23] Jess Esten: They look amazing. Okay, on my first watch with this, um, this is the only performance I would have actually paid money to go see. I think the stagecraft is incredible. The idea they like change it. Godspell is a kind of show where you shouldn't just put on a replica of the original off-Broadway cast, you should do your own thing. And they bring a theme and idea here so perfect.

[1:48] Elizabeth Esten: The cast fucking nailing it like so good.

[1:51] Jess Esten: So good. I love it, I love this episode. It was fantastic so good I literally like I try to think of who's the best of them, and I could not pick one. I was like they're all great like they were all expecting Jesus to not do great and then he knocked it out of the park and didn't mess up a single line he did it and like it was fantastic everyone did great I this is a performance I actually wanted to see the whole version of like yeah post that post that on Disney Plus I don't know if I really I don't I don't care about Eternals just post that.

[1:54] Elizabeth Esten: I watched Eternals and I still don't care about Eternals.

[2:26] Jess Esten: I haven't seen Eternals and I don't care to watch it it's very long yeah so I guess it happens again Oscar bait director to make a Marvel movie. Like I thought we'd focus on the story and then we didn't at least Richard Madden was in it.

[2:44] Elizabeth Esten: He's hot.

[2:46] Jess Esten: He's so hot.

[2:47] Elizabeth Esten: I was so sad when he didn't last super long on Game of Thrones.

[2:52] Jess Esten: Spoils.

[2:53] Elizabeth Esten: I know I'm so sorry. But Game of Thrones is out for a while guys. You know Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones guy in there um barely he shows up at the beginning shows up at the end and then I'm like oh the Stark brothers or something.

[3:05] Jess Esten: Oh is it uh Kit Harington?

[3:07] Elizabeth Esten: Yes.

[3:08] Jess Esten: Yes he was actually my first choice to play Wolverine since he's a short boy Wolverine is short and smelly that's Hugh Jackman's too tall and attractive to be Wolverine to be honest.

[3:21] Elizabeth Esten: He's also it's also it's also a bad Harold Hill but that's a different discussion on a different but you know what I feel like any of the cast of this Godspell production would have been a good Harold Hill.

[3:31] Elizabeth Esten: Like, alright. This made me realize white people are just bad at theater.

[3:36] Jess Esten: Maybe that's the reason why Broadway is so white. Um, is because they don't want to get upshone by literally any people of color.

[3:46] Elizabeth Esten: People of color, especially black people, train for this very early on. It is like part of their culture to sing and all that, like going to church. Like, I grew up in Detroit, and I'm like, man, I'm getting outsung by everyone here. There's literally a scene in this episode where they go to a church and sing gospel music at a black church, and it's one of the best scenes in the entire series.

[4:09] Jess Esten: It's incredible, and that's part of the reason why this like I've never seen a black Godspell before. They embraced their culture, they embrace like the stylistic choice. So good, a black director comes in.

[4:21] Elizabeth Esten: It was like a mo it was largely a black crew, right?

[4:24] Jess Esten: I think.

[4:25] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[4:25] Jess Esten: Yeah, it was. Absolutely incredible. The best episode. Like, if you're watching any episode of Encore, watch this one. Watch this one. Episode seven. Like, I know we said Uncle Home was the best episode, but it's the best.

[4:36] Elizabeth Esten: So far.

[4:37] Jess Esten: So far, Godspell at the time was so far it was the best episode. This is the best episode.

[4:43] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[4:44] Jess Esten: Um, even without Adam Wachter, it's still very good.

[4:46] Elizabeth Esten: Damn.

[4:46] Jess Esten: Adam Wachter is not in this episode, but he sir not appearing in this episode. Um, we missed him. I really like the vibe of this. I like that there wasn't any of that stupid, like, what would you go back and tell your former self kind of stuff? Like, sit in the room and stare and pretend you're talking. Like, really?

[4:56] Elizabeth Esten: There wasn't.

[5:06] Jess Esten: There was like a little version of it, I think. It wasn't like as focused on as it was in every like episode. Like when Cory Middlebrook does it, it goes on for 15 minutes, and you're just like, Yeah.

[5:18] Elizabeth Esten: That's like an entire day of rehearsal.

[5:21] Jess Esten: We have things to do, Cory Middlebrook. We need to like get shit done.

[5:27] Elizabeth Esten: Cory Middlebrook was like their Nick Fury of this show, and then he did not live up to that at all.

[5:34] Jess Esten: No, he's like an executive producer, too. Like, Cory, good on you, but should have been Adam Wachter. You're half decent. Hi guys, I'm here. Um, we're gonna straighten you guys up. Let's do. You can do better than that. Cory, you're okay. You're a decent director. Just stop trying to be the emotional therapy for everyone.

[5:55] Elizabeth Esten: Stop trying to ask people to talk at our high school selves for 20 minutes.

[6:00] Jess Esten: He had one move. He had one move, and he really leaned into it. When Cory Middlebrook goes to pursue whatever gender he likes, he's just like, so what would you say to your high school self if you could talk to them right now?

[6:11] Elizabeth Esten: Didn't I ask you something like in our first like meeting? I asked you something like that.

[6:14] Jess Esten: Yesterday when I said my high school self, and I've been thinking about it more and more as the question keeps coming up. It's a good question.

[6:23] Elizabeth Esten: It is.

[6:25] Jess Esten: I don't know. My favorite is when I asked Andrew that, and he was like, yeah, just keep being awesome.

[6:31] Elizabeth Esten: That's I wish I had his confidence.

[6:34] Jess Esten: Same. No, I would just tell my high school self, like, yo, I know you're really lonely and sad right now, but it'll get better. Just wait it out. You're good. You're good. Also, it's okay to cry. You're fine.

[6:44] Elizabeth Esten: It's crazy. That would be food is good for you. Um also do theater. It's really helpful.

[6:50] Jess Esten: Yeah, it is. It's really helpful. Even if your first show is Les Mis of all things.

[6:55] Elizabeth Esten: So hey, hey, Les Mis is a quality show.

[6:58] Jess Esten: I know, but when you're a freshman in high school, it's a bit of a big ask.

[7:03] Elizabeth Esten: What are you talking about? It's the easiest show to put on. There's nothing to it. Small cast, upbeat show.

[7:09] Jess Esten: It's super upbeat. It always makes me feel better. Also, I was reading a summary to Godspell because I've never seen Godspell as with most of the classic musicals, and I legit could not figure out what was going on, and I was like, okay. And then I and then randomly Judas dies at the end of this episode, but they cut that all of that.

[7:30] Elizabeth Esten: Jesus, I mean.

[7:31] Jess Esten: Um, they cut all of that out. Well, do you want me to tell you what Godspell's about?

[7:35] Elizabeth Esten: Do you do wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. He's he's uh he's going to get something. I'm just doing a live by live commentary while recording. He's abandoned me. And I'm just talking here to fill the space.

[7:51] Jess Esten: Do you want me to tell you what Godspell's about?

[7:53] Elizabeth Esten: Oh god.

[7:54] Jess Esten: Yeah. Okay, he just for those of you who are listening, he just grabbed the vinyl to Godspell. Um, so it is every song on the soundtrack or the cast album is a parable from the Bible.

[8:09] Elizabeth Esten: Yes.

[8:09] Jess Esten: So this is like the most accurate adaptation of the Bible, the holy bible.

[8:14] Elizabeth Esten: So far.

[8:15] Jess Esten: Um, is it more than Jesus Christ Superstar is?

[8:18] Elizabeth Esten: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[8:20] Jess Esten: Because this is literal just biblical text put to song.

[8:23] Elizabeth Esten: Oh.

[8:24] Jess Esten: That's the thing about Godspell. That sounds like a that sounds like my childhood nightmare. And that's why it's so complex for a lot of folks to take in. Um, as opposed to Jesus Christ Superstar. Jesus Christ Superstar is a very secular show where Godspell, despite having some catchy ass tunes, some fucking bops in that show. Um, it is so entangled with the actual messaging of the Bible and what it's trying to say, and you cannot take that away.

[8:50] Elizabeth Esten: Um, which is why I think a more strange and stylistic production of it is the only way you can really do so. Because you can't change the messages. Um, so in the 70s their way of getting around it was to turn them all into fucking clowns. Um, and make them like a group of circus performers and like tell Three Stooges jokes and when they revived it in 2011 um with Lindsay Mendez, George Salazar, and um what's what's that little twink's name shit.

[9:23] Elizabeth Esten: There's so many little Broadway twinks.

[9:26] Jess Esten: It's so vague um, Hunter Foster.

[9:30] Elizabeth Esten: Hunter Foster, yeah.

[9:32] Jess Esten: Yeah in that production they just made it a bunch of cool kids and made it very acoustic and they had like they were kicking water over the place and jumping on trampolines and made it like weird and scene kid. So Godspell is best when not taken literally at all. Which is why this production is so good where they just instead of where every time someone has a Bible lesson to go, they stand up at a mic and they perform.

[9:54] Elizabeth Esten: It's brilliant.

[9:55] Jess Esten: It's such a good idea for what this show is. Also it's Julius Bird disastering the Harlem Renaissance 'cause the costuming is just so like fantastic all around. Like it's gorgeous.

[10:04] Elizabeth Esten: Gorgeous.

[10:06] Jess Esten: Everyone looks so good. Even though wigs aren't terrible. Like the wig work at Encore is a mixed bag if you have yet to see.

[10:15] Elizabeth Esten: It is a mixed bag.

[10:17] Jess Esten: And then they're like we can't do bald caps.

[10:20] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[10:21] Jess Esten: They cannot. But like the wig work here I didn't even notice there were wigs on half of them. Only on the guy who played Jesus because he was bald.

[10:29] Elizabeth Esten: So also there wasn't a ton of wigs which probably helped.

[10:32] Jess Esten: So Encore. Please use less wigs. You know what, just let people be what they are. Just let people use their hair too. People use their hair. Let them embrace their hair. I have too much hair right now which makes me sad too don't donate it Liz I'm playing I'm probably d I don't think it's long enough right now but you'd look great with a bob by the way I feel like that's worth saying.

[10:43] Elizabeth Esten: No I I'm good I like having long hair at least a little I've contemplated it but I I'm good I think I'm okay maybe one day I don't know you have a very round face that would be a round face do have a round face um not like an angular face the way that kind of makes some folks look odd with it.

[10:43] Andrew: Okay, while we're talking about random bullshit before we transition into the next episode, yes, thoughts on the Bill Hader and Anna Kendrick reveal? I feel like there's no one else I can talk to about that. That feels like a good relationship. That's like the anti-Olivia Munn and fucking John Mulaney.

[11:43] Elizabeth Esten: Honestly I was delighted when I found out I was like that's adorable I love it this is amazing.

[11:48] Jess Esten: That's like a best case scenario for relationships.

[11:57] Jess Esten: It really is because like if there's a part that's a lady Bill Hader they would cast Anna Kendrick and it's just like well they did that in Noel.

[12:05] Elizabeth Esten: They were brother and sister in that movie.

[12:06] Jess Esten: Oh yeah they oh my god that's so weird that is so weird that is a weird original fact that they kept kind of kept it a secret for a year I respect that I respect that like fully.

[12:16] Elizabeth Esten: No, I am fully down with this relationship. They're adorable. I love it. I love Bill Hader. I love Anna Kendrick. I ship it. Make it happen.

[12:23] Jess Esten: And this is like the first famous person she's ever dated. Because she's like dated, I mean, famous as in like movie star person. Um, because she like dates grips, cinematographers, and directors up to this point.

[12:36] Elizabeth Esten: Um, like she her most high profile relationship was Edgar Wright. Let's just say that.

[12:41] Jess Esten: So a bunch of grips thought they had a shot with Anna Kendrick until um Bill Hader came along.

[12:47] Elizabeth Esten: I mean, yeah.

[12:47] Jess Esten: And Anna Kendrick said this. She's like, everyone's always like, are you gonna like fuck Ryan Reynolds? I'm like, it'd be more absurd. I'm I'll probably fuck a grip or something.

[12:55] Elizabeth Esten: See, people who work on crews are also attractive.

[13:00] Jess Esten: They are also attractive. Um, except for directors, they're all horrible ugly people, just like me.

[13:06] Elizabeth Esten: Um, not at all.

[13:10] Jess Esten: I reject that thought.

[13:11] Elizabeth Esten: I reject it.

[13:13] Jess Esten: Why?

[13:13] Elizabeth Esten: Because you are not ugly. Don't say that.

[13:15] Jess Esten: Oh, I thought you were about to like defend Michael Bay or something.

[13:18] Elizabeth Esten: No, I'm not defending Michael Bay. Michael Bay is ugly as shit, but is there any attractive directors?

[13:24] Jess Esten: Um, yeah, gotcha!

[13:28] Elizabeth Esten: You're right.

[13:28] Jess Esten: I'm just saying no he didn't get a self-talk about you. Dumb maybe not true.

[13:33] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, Brad like I d actors turn directors don't count. So Bradley Cooper don't count.

[13:38] Jess Esten: Trying to Edgar Wright's okay. He like sometimes he looks like a cave troll, and sometimes he looks like a real handsome dude.

[13:46] Elizabeth Esten: It all depends on the day you find him.

[13:48] Jess Esten: Yeah, and what era he's in. Like young Edgar Wright wasn't half bad.

[13:52] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, when he was like a little I think directors just eat their own like souls eventually.

[13:58] Jess Esten: You know who the like the first one that came into my mind of like, oh yeah, he's hot in a weird way. Guillermo del Toro.

[14:04] Elizabeth Esten: He's kinda hot.

[14:05] Jess Esten: I mean, Ryan Coogler.

[14:06] Elizabeth Esten: Ryan Coogler's hot as fuck.

[14:16] Elizabeth Esten: Uh, I can't think of anyone. Trying to think of like a female director, but I aren't enough in Hollywood.

[14:22] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, I saw Catherine Bigelow in person. She is gorgeous. Oh, Catherine Bigelow's gonna be a good one. Beautiful. Also I'm so happy she beat her husband to win an Oscar. He already had his. That's such a power play. Like, yes. Um, her ex-husband, I mean. Other female directors? Come on. There's gotta be more. Greta Gerwig, I guess.

[14:46] Jess Esten: Yeah, she started out acting, but she's mostly a director.

[14:49] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, yeah, actors turn directors. We already ruled them out.

[14:51] Jess Esten: Yeah, no, she started out acting, so I mean, Patty Jenkins is just kind of like, I don't know, she looks like a worker.

[14:58] Elizabeth Esten: I always like Ryan Jenkins is pretty. I will say that, but she's I don't think she's like Hollywood insane attractive. Ava DuVernay, DuVernay.

[15:06] Jess Esten: Beautiful woman.

[15:07] Elizabeth Esten: Gorgeous. Sophia Coppola.

[15:12] Jess Esten: Uh, yeah, there's not enough Kathy Hahn.

[15:14] Elizabeth Esten: Kath, Kath, Kathy Han, Jan, who did um, whatchall?

[15:18] Jess Esten: Birds of Prey.

[15:20] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, Birds of Prey. Emerald Fournell. So many, so many beautiful, beautiful. There's so many beautiful women working in Hollywood. We should get more of them. Hollywood. Get more.

[15:27] Jess Esten: Yeah, Emerald's stop writing Andrew Lloyd Weber musicals and get over here and write some more movies. Don't write move don't write musicals about how Cinderella's a tumbler girl who hates who likes chicken nuggets and beer.

[15:46] Elizabeth Esten: I don't go out on the weekends because I'm different. I'm better than you.

[15:53] Jess Esten: I like boy stuff.

[15:55] Elizabeth Esten: Like, but I like boy stuff.

[15:57] Jess Esten: That's too bad I like it better.

[15:59] Elizabeth Esten: I wear flannels in the 18th century where they weren't a thing.

[16:05] Jess Esten: That if that's your biggest issue with that musical.

[16:09] Elizabeth Esten: I have many issues though. I'm just really mad at the main character for being a fucking tumbler girl.

[16:15] Jess Esten: There are much worse musicals out there.

[16:17] Elizabeth Esten: Let me just say that.

[16:18] Jess Esten: Oh no, no. I have problems with it, but I think it's fun and stupid at the end of the day, if you don't think about it.

[16:24] Elizabeth Esten: The thing is the plot just makes literally no sense.

[16:27] Jess Esten: That's kinda like it is an Emerald Finel's ballpark that she should have not made the story be an absolute nonsense pile.

[16:35] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, I read the plot summary and I thought I was on crack. I was like, wait, wait, the brother comes back and he's gay.

[16:42] Jess Esten: What? Like that part's fine. I would have much rather followed his plot line.

[16:46] Elizabeth Esten: But that's not the problem I have. It's like she gets plastic surgery, and all it does is make her in a dress, and then no one recognizes her.

[16:55] Jess Esten: She's also wearing a wig. So stupid.

[16:57] Elizabeth Esten: I hate I hate I hate shit like that.

[17:00] Jess Esten: Either way, episode eight of Encore, Fiddler on the Roof.

[17:03] Elizabeth Esten: Yes.

[17:04] Jess Esten: Back on track. Fiddler.

[17:05] Elizabeth Esten: Yes.

[17:06] Jess Esten: Adam Walkers back!

[17:08] Elizabeth Esten: And he has a friend.

[17:11] Jess Esten: He does. The director is not Coy Middlebrook.

[17:15] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. It's it's Chase Brock, and they're delightful. I want to see a buddy comedy of those two.

[17:21] Jess Esten: Hell yeah. And also, Kristen Bell shows up and actually is useful for a bit.

[17:26] Elizabeth Esten: Kristen Bell serves a function on this show.

[17:29] Jess Esten: Eight episodes in.

[17:31] Elizabeth Esten: It took us this long. It's amazing.

[17:34] Jess Esten: Why didn't they make this episode two or something?

[17:37] Elizabeth Esten: I don't know. Like, uh, like the first episode, Kristen Bell showed up and took credit for everything, and then she disappeared for seven episodes.

[17:46] Jess Esten: And she's back. It's like, what the fuck?

[17:49] Elizabeth Esten: Well, I she actually helped though. Like, I honestly, all she has to do is show up and have a guy sing at her.

[17:56] Jess Esten: I swear I would have I would have also sung much better if I had Kristen Bell there.

[18:01] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, 100%. Also I love that. One of the guys is like, let's be real here. Chris Bell's meeting Dustin.

[18:05] Jess Esten: Like I love Dustin's response, which is like, I hope that Dak would come out and then he didn't.

[18:16] Elizabeth Esten: I remember at someone who would rather see Dak Shepherd than Kristen.

[18:28] Jess Esten: He was. He played the lawyer. Wasn't he in Chips?

[18:31] Elizabeth Esten: He executive produced chips.

[18:35] Jess Esten: Oh.

[18:36] Elizabeth Esten: And he also had Kristen Bell in it.

[18:39] Jess Esten: The only thing I remember about the movie Chips is I think it's Michael Payne.

[18:44] Elizabeth Esten: Like, is like talking about eating ass. He's like, if they got baby wipes, then they good for eating ass.

[18:49] Jess Esten: He's like, well, if they don't have baby wipes, I do it anyway. You only live once.

[18:53] Elizabeth Esten: I'm like, what the f I'm imagining a grandmother going in because I'm like, I love the Chips TV show when I was a young and and then they go in there and they see that scene. I'm like, oh no.

[19:04] Jess Esten: 21 Jump Street was a great movie, guys. Let's stop trying to remake it.

[19:07] Elizabeth Esten: 21 Jump Street is Chris Lord and Phil Miller. They're the only reasons why those movies worked.

[19:12] Jess Esten: If you do it without them, it won't work. Sorry. Stop trying to remake 21 Jump Street.

[19:20] Elizabeth Esten: And Lego movie. Stop stop both of those.

[19:23] Jess Esten: Seriously, stop trying to remake Lego movie. That was a lightning in the bottle.

[19:26] Elizabeth Esten: And then we tried again and it didn't work.

[19:28] Jess Esten: And then you stop trying to remake Sprite. Everything.

[19:31] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, Chris Lord and Phil Miller. Um very grateful for their existence in movies.

[19:36] Jess Esten: Because every time, like every five years, they reinvent the entire cinema.

[19:40] Elizabeth Esten: So much that everyone rips them off for the next five years and they have to find a new way to do it.

[19:45] Jess Esten: Like I can't wait for the I've never I haven't seen Mitchell's versus the Machines yet, but I cannot wait for to see all the knockoffs of that movie that will be released by very streaming services.

[19:56] Elizabeth Esten: I cried, and I don't cry very easily at movies, and I was like very, very emotionally touched.

[20:02] Jess Esten: I might have to watch that today. I mean it's about a filmmaker from Michigan.

[20:06] Elizabeth Esten: Um dealing with a lot of you know, you know.

[20:09] Jess Esten: You really relate to it.

[20:10] Elizabeth Esten: No, I was looking at the letterbox like end of the year breakdown, and it ended with a audio clip of Mitchells versus the machines about how movies are cool, and I'm like, that's cool.

[20:20] Jess Esten: The movie is so flippin' good.

[20:24] Elizabeth Esten: I'm I have not watched it, but I'm planning on it.

[20:27] Jess Esten: What is your favorite film of last year? Since like what do we have to say about Fiddler?

[20:30] Elizabeth Esten: Come on. Give me that.

[20:32] Jess Esten: I I don't know. All I have to say about Fiddler is I saw the movie one time when I was like 13, and I don't remember anything that happened in it besides the sad parts.

[20:39] Elizabeth Esten: So it's a good musical, and there's not much like people always like, it's so sad. I'm like, it's mostly like a weird comedy sitcom if you think about it.

[20:47] Jess Esten: Yeah.

[20:47] Elizabeth Esten: Then it gets real sad at the end.

[20:49] Jess Esten: That's true.

[20:49] Elizabeth Esten: I'm literally like going on my letterbox as we speak.

[20:53] Jess Esten: So I do not remember what movies I saw this year.

[20:57] Elizabeth Esten: Uh I honestly do not have a favorite movie of 2021. Off the top of my head.

[21:02] Jess Esten: I did not see enough movies in 2021.

[21:05] Elizabeth Esten: If I had to pick one right now, it'd probably be like Adrian, which is the documentary in HBO by Adrian Jelly, because it legit made me cry like three times.

[21:14] Jess Esten: And probably tick-tick boom.

[21:16] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[21:16] Jess Esten: So probably those two. And they're both musical theater related.

[21:19] Elizabeth Esten: So I really, really like the Green Knight.

[21:22] Jess Esten: I did not see the Green Knight.

[21:24] Elizabeth Esten: It looked intimidating.

[21:25] Jess Esten: It is intimidating.

[21:26] Elizabeth Esten: Um I also like the Suicide Squad.

[21:29] Jess Esten: Oh, I forgot about that.

[21:30] Elizabeth Esten: That's really good.

[21:31] Jess Esten: I forgot about the Suicide Squad.

[21:33] Elizabeth Esten: And I in my head, I'm always oh, jumping between um In the Heights and Tic-Tick Boom.

[21:39] Jess Esten: I think In the Heights beats it out a little bit.

[21:42] Elizabeth Esten: That's true.

[21:42] Jess Esten: I forget In the Heights came out this year.

[21:45] Elizabeth Esten: Everyone forgets In the Heights came out this year, and it's so good.

[21:47] Jess Esten: It makes me sad.

[21:48] Elizabeth Esten: It's impeccable. Like I could not stop looking at it when I was watching it.

[21:53] Jess Esten: Both that and Tic-Tick Booms are the strange movie musical that is significantly better than its source material in every way.

[22:00] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[22:01] Jess Esten: Yeah, true.

[22:02] Elizabeth Esten: I mean, in the heights, I I really like Did the Heights. A lot of people are like, I don't why did Nina and Benny's thing get less interesting?

[22:10] Jess Esten: Like, well, they made Vanessa more interesting.

[22:13] Elizabeth Esten: So in the end, it all kind of worked out, I guess.

[22:17] Jess Esten: It's it's it's an expensive critique.

[22:20] Elizabeth Esten: It's a valid critique.

[22:20] Jess Esten: It's totally valid critique.

[22:21] Elizabeth Esten: It doesn't bother me.

[22:22] Jess Esten: Yeah.

[22:23] Elizabeth Esten: It doesn't really bother me, though the the racial conflict between Benny and the dad would have been interesting to see on a mainstream movie.

[22:30] Jess Esten: Yeah.

[22:31] Elizabeth Esten: So I guess after all, I really like the Matrix Resurrections 2 and Last Night in Soho.

[22:36] Jess Esten: Like I really like those movies.

[22:37] Elizabeth Esten: I still need to watch Last Line Soho.

[22:39] Jess Esten: Um Candyman, very very well made bad movie.

[22:43] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, it's it's like impeccably made, but it has the vibe of a bad movie.

[22:47] Jess Esten: It's uh okay.

[22:49] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, so I I we talk about Candyman a lot on this specific encore thing. Um I watched they have this thing on Shutter where they have like, oh horror icons and oh yeah, behind the monster.

[23:00] Jess Esten: I've been meaning to watch that.

[23:02] Elizabeth Esten: Hearing Mia DeCosta descr I I love her, very good director. Hearing her describe her thoughts going into Candyman fucking bothers the hell out of me.

[23:12] Jess Esten: I do not like what she has to say.

[23:14] Elizabeth Esten: I do not agree with her ideals as far as that.

[23:17] Jess Esten: I th I it's not even like she has some ideas ideas about the politics of it all that I agree with and then she's like yeah um I just didn't like the first movie really that much so I just kinda wanted to throw it away.

[23:31] Elizabeth Esten: Oh that's why that movie wasn't super good.

[23:35] Jess Esten: Well she came in and she actually just said this. She's like she came in like to Jordan Peel's screenplay um and then hired someone else to rewrite it basically so she came into Jordan Peel's screenplay and it's about Helen being the new Candyman and everyone thinks and I'm like that's at least something new that's at least an idea I don't know what your idea was for this new one Nia DeCosta.

[23:59] Elizabeth Esten: I wanna see that.

[24:00] Jess Esten: I want to see Virginia Madsen make a comeback and everyone be like yo Virgin Madsen she's not just that lady from the beginning of Dune who told me what happened in the f in the first Dune, not the new Dune.

[24:12] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah for the people who are like you mean Zendaya like no no I meant I meant I meant the 80s dude.

[24:21] Jess Esten: Also I haven't seen the new Dune either but I'm very behind on my 2021 releases.

[24:25] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[24:26] Jess Esten: Um so sorry I didn't mean to get into the candyman but I imagine Jordan Peel's screenplay where Helen is the candyman.

[24:34] Elizabeth Esten: It would have been so good.

[24:36] Jess Esten: It would have been I don't know if it would be like I'd probably still have the same issues I have about it not being Tony Todd.

[24:43] Elizabeth Esten: But he's more Tony Todd.

[24:46] Jess Esten: Everything is more Tony Todd. Put Tony Todd and all your stuff.

[24:48] Elizabeth Esten: But that was and you kinda get the vibe that Jordan Peel was like, I don't want a black man murdering people because that's a bad look.

[24:54] Jess Esten: So here's my way out of it while keeping like some of the candyman like continuation and I can still have Tony Todd as a character without him being the murderer.

[25:02] Elizabeth Esten: And I'm like, yeah, that's a good way to get around that.

[25:04] Jess Esten: Also, spoilers for the spoilers for the 1992 Candyman here.

[25:09] Elizabeth Esten: But at the end of the movie, Virginia Madsen's ex-husband says Helen's name in a mirror and she pops up and she's like the candyman now.

[25:16] Jess Esten: So it made more sense.

[25:18] Elizabeth Esten: It was yeah, it was a ridiculous ending, and it kinda is dumb.

[25:23] Jess Esten: It's super dumb, but it would have made sense.

[25:26] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, it would have made sense.

[25:28] Jess Esten: Um and then Nia DeCosta is just in this like that was a really stupid thing, and I just didn't want to deal with that.

[25:34] Elizabeth Esten: I mean, it was stupid.

[25:34] Jess Esten: Like Nader Casa is not wrong. It is stupid.

[25:36] Elizabeth Esten: It is, but Jordan Peel is the king of taking a really goofy idea and making it really work.

[25:43] Jess Esten: Yeah, his newest movie has like the dumbest title humanly possible. I think it's like nope.

[25:47] Elizabeth Esten: Who cares?

[25:49] Jess Esten: It's gonna be amazing. I don't care what it's called.

[25:51] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[25:52] Jess Esten: It's a pretty bad title if you think about it.

[25:55] Elizabeth Esten: Us is a terrible title.

[25:56] Jess Esten: I was interim for Wisecrack at the time, and I had to make thumbnails for a video on it.

[26:01] Elizabeth Esten: Like, and it was so hard to Google this dang movie.

[26:04] Jess Esten: It's like I just want people to do that.

[26:06] Elizabeth Esten: Especially when you have a a TV show called This Is Us.

[26:09] Jess Esten: Yeah.

[26:09] Elizabeth Esten: Also You, which is just a very confusing TV show to Google, because no one knows what you're talking about.

[26:14] Jess Esten: It's like that clip of that lady on Fox News who thought she was being like shit talked live on the air.

[26:20] Elizabeth Esten: It's like you're not taught I but I'm not a I I'm the you're not talking about me.

[26:25] Jess Esten: It's like no, I'm talking about the show you.

[26:28] Elizabeth Esten: Um you should be the title of Sojo Soldier Boy documentary.

[26:33] Jess Esten: You alright, guys. What is your pleasure rating on these two episodes, Liz?

[26:39] Elizabeth Esten: Yes.

[26:41] Jess Esten: Nothing to say about Fiddler.

[26:45] Elizabeth Esten: I have nothing to say.

[26:47] Jess Esten: Well, nothing that's not been said.

[26:49] Elizabeth Esten: Miracle of miracles, motherfuckers.

[26:51] Jess Esten: Anyway. Um Adam Walker's back, he's great, but I've just back.

[26:55] Elizabeth Esten: Kristen Bell showed up and she was cool.

[26:57] Jess Esten: Uh she told us that she wanted Anna to be like relatable and trip on shit, which was like great.

[27:01] Elizabeth Esten: She you wanted her to be a rom com character. Awesome.

[27:04] Jess Esten: Um, yeah, that's so relatable.

[27:06] Elizabeth Esten: I trip all the time.

[27:08] Jess Esten: You see, as a woman, I constantly trip and like fall on the bottom.

[27:11] Elizabeth Esten: My vagina, my vagina makes me trip.

[27:14] Jess Esten: Yes.

[27:15] Elizabeth Esten: I don't have the big slongy dick keeping me upright.

[27:17] Jess Esten: Being a woman makes you uncoordinated, clearly, Hollywood.

[27:21] Elizabeth Esten: Like, I am uncoordinated, but that has nothing to do with my gender.

[27:27] Jess Esten: It has everything to do with my genetics.

[27:29] Elizabeth Esten: So I come from an uncoordinated family.

[27:32] Jess Esten: Anyway, uh, I'm gonna give these I'm gonna give the uh God spell episode of Encore Guda, because it's good.

[27:39] Elizabeth Esten: I'm gonna borrow your pun from last time. And I'm gonna give Fiddler on the roof um cheese latkas.

[27:46] Jess Esten: Good, good, good answers.

[27:48] Elizabeth Esten: Um, so I'm gonna give God spell. Um, there's this brand of cheese called Heavenly Cheese, and I'm gonna give it that.

[27:57] Jess Esten: It comes in like a little ball.

[27:58] Elizabeth Esten: And then for Fiddler, um, I am gonna give it freshest cheese from Tevya's Mu cow that he wants to sell.

[28:07] Jess Esten: Amazing.

[28:07] Elizabeth Esten: Liz just made a face that just judged my whole soul.

[28:11] Jess Esten: I apologize.

[28:13] Elizabeth Esten: Uh alright, we'll see you next time on Patreon with Chase!

[28:19] Jess Esten: Unless I get fired in between episodes.

[28:21] Elizabeth Esten: We'll see.

[28:25] Jess Esten: Alright, but so many memories.

[28:28] Elizabeth Esten: Being able to be in this show will be one of the greatest treasures of my life.