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[0:21] ♪ Musical number: "Ready as I'll Ever Be" — performed by Cast ♪

[1:11] Jess Eston: Hey guys, welcome back to Patreon with Cheese. I'm joined as always by a person I am in.

[1:17] Liz Eston: Liz Eston! This isn't like me.

[1:20] Jess Eston: You know, I just like you reverberate the energy you're given. If someone doesn't like you, you feel less inclined to like them.

[1:28] Liz Eston: God damn it.

[1:29] Jess Eston: Maybe if you put a little effort into our relationship, Liz.

[1:32] Liz Eston: God damn it, Jess. So we're here for our big season finale of Tangled the Series season one.

[1:39] Jess Eston: We're finally done. Alright, Liz, we got a lot to cover. It's four or it's like four ish episodes, two hours of material. What happens?

[1:46] Liz Eston: Okay, Varian uh is evil now. He went full in cell. His daddy's trapped in frozen piss, and we gotta get him out.

[1:55] Jess Eston: So yeah, Varian's dad, as established in a previous episode, is trapped in something that does look like frozen piss.

[2:01] Liz Eston: Jess is correct. It's called Amber.

[2:05] Jess Eston: It's called Amber, but it does look like frozen piss. So he's trapped in the frozen pea. Um he's determined to free his father through the magic of the flower.

[2:14] Liz Eston: Yeah, with a flower that Mother Gothel um stole, and yeah, whatever. Yeah, the flower that was used to kill Rapunzel's mom, which ended up being in Rapunzel, and it might end up being put in a safe, even though it was we were told it was destroyed or something.

[2:30] Jess Eston: Which is fine. Reccons for plot. It doesn't work. It's a it's a red herring. The true thing is Rapunzel's.

[2:36] Liz Eston: The king is a different voice in the first movie, so like who cares? The king doesn't say anything in the first movie.

[2:41] Jess Eston: He says like one line. Like barely. I don't see really some large probably got paid a lot for that, though.

[2:47] Liz Eston: So it's different than in like the frozen movie, where in frozen the prince and princess the king and queen have one voice, and the sequel's Alfred Molina.

[2:56] Jess Eston: Alfred Molina. You know, the the the husband of the director.

[3:00] Liz Eston: Oh, he's the husband of the director's Alfred Bellita?

[3:03] Jess Eston: Yeah. Oh wow. That is um, what's her name? Uh the girl that runs Disney now.

[3:07] Liz Eston: Uh oh shit. Jennifer Lee.

[3:08] Jess Eston: Um Jennifer Lee. I didn't know she's married Alfred Molina.

[3:11] Liz Eston: Yeah, and Jenna Jonathan Graf uh uh presided over their wedding.

[3:15] Jess Eston: That's adorable.

[3:16] Liz Eston: I know. Um, they are both rich.

[3:18] Jess Eston: Yeah, they're both very rich. They're both very rich. But yeah, Varian is like, hey Rapunzel, I need this flower to save something.

[3:25] Liz Eston: So it's like save my daddy. Save my dad. Um, so I'm gonna go, but and Rapunzel's like, but I'm gonna commit treason, but I promise to help you, so I'll go help you.

[3:34] Jess Eston: I mean, she did kind of break her promise.

[3:36] Liz Eston: She did break her promise, but she was in distress, so I think Varian should give her a break, is all I'm saying.

[3:41] Jess Eston: Uh yeah, but he's not ready for that. They they do it, but also Varian, in a payoff for last episode, um, basically drugs the entire castle with um with the lie tell the truth drugs.

[3:54] Liz Eston: Yeah, truth serum. So everyone is just insulting each other, essentially.

[3:57] Jess Eston: Liar liar rules. It's not just like you can't lie, it's that you have to say whatever's on your mind.

[4:02] Liz Eston: Yeah, yeah, it's just like I hate you. You're a bad singer. Go away.

[4:06] Jess Eston: I mean, if I had truth serum, I would just be like, Liz, you're awesome, because I do think you're awesome.

[4:11] Liz Eston: I would say the same. I think you put 100% effort into everything that you're given.

[4:15] Jess Eston: Hell yeah. Like, that's all true. Like, why is it when you get truth serum, they always just assume you're gonna be a dick.

[4:20] Liz Eston: Are we do they think we're all just assholes underneath the skin?

[4:23] Jess Eston: Yeah, I watched this movie a while ago called Horns, Daniel Radcliffe, where he grows horns.

[4:28] Liz Eston: I read the book, never saw the movie.

[4:30] Jess Eston: Yeah, it was written by a book that was written by Stephen King's son. So it's it's weird as fuck. It's genetic.

[4:36] Liz Eston: Um basically he starts growing horns, and A, everyone wants to fuck him, and B, he's really mean.

[4:43] Jess Eston: Yeah, yeah. So that's what happens when you grow horns and you become more truthful.

[4:46] Liz Eston: Hmm. Apparently.

[4:49] Jess Eston: Yeah, I don't buy it. I think that's that movie's also very bad.

[4:52] Liz Eston: Yeah. Um, but let's keep going. We got a lot to cover.

[4:55] Jess Eston: So they go to the the the the the cell and they go to the underground tunnels because they can't go to the safe directly.

[5:03] Liz Eston: And Eugene and Cassandra have to work together to figure out what's going on with them. They figure out what's going on with um Rapunzel, and they are going to the safe.

[5:13] Jess Eston: So everyone's going to the safe at the same moment. And then they get the flower, and Varian's, and Runzel's like, you only need one pedal, right?

[5:20] Liz Eston: And Varian's like, no, I need the whole damn thing. I'm evil. It's a shame that if only there was someone who loved you, Rapunzel.

[5:26] Jess Eston: He w he goes full motherfucking guy from Frozen. He goes full Hans.

[5:30] Liz Eston: Goes full Santino Fontana in the second season of Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

[5:36] Jess Eston: Hey, I'm gonna leave the show. Bye. Fuck off! It was a shit show! I'm gonna have a better career after this.

[5:44] Liz Eston: Definitely. Definitely. I'm not gonna totally die bomb my career and win a Tony at the same time.

[5:50] Jess Eston: Yeah. Poor Santa. I'm kidding. I swear to God, I I would have so much more respect for him if he had just showed up for like a little bit in the last season.

[5:58] Liz Eston: Seriously, if we just show up in the last episode, like why are there two Gregs? That'd be funny as hell.

[6:02] Jess Eston: Yeah, or like she finally looks at Greg and he's back to his old ways. Like for a second, that'd be super fun.

[6:08] Liz Eston: Yeah, that guy I uh no one wants to do anything fun anymore. Um right. But you know who does come back for the TV show?

[6:15] Jess Eston: Zachary Levi. I won't give him that credit. He came back for the TV show.

[6:20] Liz Eston: And so did Brady Moore, and so did a bunch of other people, except for the actually, no one played the king.

[6:25] Jess Eston: I got that confused. In Frozen, there's a voice actor in the game.

[6:28] Liz Eston: Yeah, Kangle, there is none.

[6:30] Jess Eston: Yeah, frozen, it's replaced by Alfred Alfred Molina.

[6:33] Liz Eston: Yeah, and Evan Rachel would, I think.

[6:35] Jess Eston: I think Evan Rachel would play. But I'm glad and Rachel was getting work at the height of her uh fighting Marilyn Manson.

[6:40] Liz Eston: Well, I think she was originally cast as Elsa's love interest, and then Disney did what Disney did, and they didn't want to cut Evan from the cast, so they just gave her the mom role.

[6:50] Jess Eston: I hate that. I think that's what happened.

[6:52] Liz Eston: I hate that. They're the same age ish.

[6:54] Jess Eston: No, everybody's one is younger than Idina Menzel.

[6:57] Liz Eston: Yeah, yeah. I mean, if your mom dies at age 26, and then you keep aging.

[7:02] Jess Eston: I guess it would be weird. Like, imagine if my father died when I was like two, and then I go up in age, and I become a 47-year-old man, and my dad's like 31, and I'm like, I'm older than my dad.

[7:15] Liz Eston: There's like an old short story where it's about like when you go to heaven, you get to choose your age, and the son chooses to be like 19 or 20, and the dad chooses to be an infant, and it's like you have to take care of your dad forever.

[7:27] Jess Eston: It's such a I would die. That's such a baller move.

[7:32] Liz Eston: Um, yeah, so that's the kind of thing that we're talking about. Either way, um, shit hits the fan, Varian just escapes.

[7:40] Jess Eston: Varian's an incel and he's evil. Uh yeah, and he's Cassandra. You know, how much of this would have been sold if just Cassandra showed him one boob.

[7:48] Liz Eston: No, no, the Disney equivalent with that is a peck on the cheek.

[7:51] Jess Eston: A peck of the cheek, that's one boob. That's a Disney equivalent.

[7:53] Liz Eston: I honestly I'd say that's a pat on the back and just saying, like, good job. So I guess he got that.

[8:00] Jess Eston: I think he got that. Yeah, no, but Varian's fully evil and is like, I'm gonna take this flower and try to destroy the rocks.

[8:07] Liz Eston: It doesn't work because then Varian remembers all the power of the flower is in Rapunzel's hair. Because he should have known that from the beginning.

[8:13] Jess Eston: And somehow Rapunzel gets out of treason charges.

[8:16] Liz Eston: I don't think she told mentioned her dad.

[8:18] Jess Eston: Well, she literally tells it to Eugene, like it's nothing. Like, I got treason. How are you doing?

[8:23] Liz Eston: How you doing? I got traffic treason this morning.

[8:26] Jess Eston: What's that? Oh, Blondie, you don't know what's going on. Come on.

[8:30] Liz Eston: I hate that he calls her Blondie.

[8:31] Jess Eston: I know we've never talked about that, but I hate it.

[8:34] Liz Eston: I don't love it either. It makes it's like all demeaning terms is all that he has left.

[8:46] Jess Eston: Yeah. Um, I honestly feel like he's got more sexual tension with Cassandra, and I feel like they've got themselves to the corner here with that.

[8:54] Liz Eston: He does. He does. But I will say this two-parter has songs in it.

[8:58] Jess Eston: It does. Alright, we want to talk about talk about the songs.

[9:01] Liz Eston: Well, it's a three parter, so let's just get to the end and then we'll talk about the songs.

[9:04] Jess Eston: Yeah. So Varian is like, nah, I gotta capture, I gotta do an evil plan thing in the two parter. So he distracts the guards in the kingdom, kidnaps Rapunzel's mom, and is like a levers get her your daughter.

[9:19] Liz Eston: Yeah. Why didn't you just capture Rapunzel? Just skip that just it's this is too complicated, Varian. You need to step back a bit.

[9:26] Jess Eston: Yeah, you're getting too ambitious, and your voice actor is not doing you enough favors to help you sell your points.

[9:31] Liz Eston: Yeah, Jeremy Jordan, uh, he's a good actor, but him being evil is a bit of a stretch.

[9:37] Jess Eston: No, it's not even that. He can play evil. I've seen Bonnie and Clyde. His voice just doesn't sell evil, though.

[9:42] Liz Eston: No, also it doesn't help his character as a child. Yeah, I mean they even they do what they can.

[9:47] Jess Eston: They give him like shadows under his eyes on like angry eyebrows, but yeah, and they give like dramatic musical monologues about how he's how he's evil now.

[9:55] Liz Eston: But I just see like Jeremy Jordan in a booth. You know what I did, Rapunzel. I'm gonna help you. Now I'm gonna go on Reddit and complain about women.

[10:05] Jess Eston: You guys took the blue pill. I took the red pill.

[10:09] Liz Eston: Okay. Okay, one of the funniest lines posted. It's like, it sounds like you don't care about Corona.

[10:16] Jess Eston: No, no, I I take Corona very seriously.

[10:20] Liz Eston: Alright, that could have been a conversation with Jeremy Jordan and Laura Osnes.

[10:25] Jess Eston: There's also a line where uh Eugene says, Man, I love Corona, and I was just like, God damn it.

[10:30] Liz Eston: Oh yeah, so we need to keep going. So we then have to go all the way out to figure out what these rocks are.

[10:37] Jess Eston: So they go to old Corona. And they're getting chased by all these all these people in mass, and they're like, where are we gonna hide? And Rapunzel's like, I know where to hide in the place where I was abused for most of my life.

[10:47] Liz Eston: And they go back to the house.

[10:48] Jess Eston: The site of all my trauma. They go back to the tower. And at this point I realized that we brought too many fucking people on this adventure, Pascal.

[10:56] Liz Eston: You're really kind of dead weight here. Yeah, Maximus is here too. And he's like, he's kinda helpful, but uh Cassandra's owl, like, okay, that's one too many.

[11:05] Jess Eston: Yeah, I don't think we need three animal sidekicks on this adventure.

[11:09] Liz Eston: Yes. Also, Mary has an animal sidekick.

[11:12] Jess Eston: Yeah, he does. He has the raccoon.

[11:13] Liz Eston: He's a raccoon. And I didn't notice previously.

[11:18] Jess Eston: No, that's uh everything everywhere all at once, right?

[11:20] Liz Eston: Oh, I need to see that.

[11:22] Jess Eston: But the for the three people in the world that saw that movie and heard that reference, yeah, that was for you.

[11:27] Liz Eston: Yeah. Yeah. Uses her hair to cause an explosion and maybe kill a few people.

[11:32] Jess Eston: Like it it's pretty unclear what it did to them.

[11:35] Liz Eston: Yeah, but then they're alive, so it's fine. And then it's revealed that they're actually the captain of the they're actually the castle guards, and they're like, your father told us to keep you safe, and we that he didn't want you to see this magical scroll that Varian was hiding.

[11:48] Jess Eston: Why do but why do? But why, dad? Why? Like, even at the end of this episode, we don't get answers.

[11:54] Liz Eston: No, they just forgive each other because the mom is missing, right? That like final episode. It's just like we need to go save mom.

[12:00] Jess Eston: Okay, so then she just lets her hair go, the rocks come attacking, they destroy her old house.

[12:05] Liz Eston: Yeah, and then she's like, it's later she's like, I destroyed my childhood home. Like, you mean the site of all your trauma?

[12:11] Jess Eston: Yeah, yeah. It's like yeah. Wouldn't that be cathartic for you?

[12:15] Liz Eston: Yeah. Um, but she uses like a big hairball to save everyone.

[12:19] Jess Eston: Yeah, and that was from a previous episode. So nice setup. Nice setup. And then I don't know what happens next. What happens next, Liz?

[12:27] Liz Eston: Uh, Rapunzel realizes that she has connected to the rocks because the magical hair or something.

[12:34] Jess Eston: Yeah. I mean the rocks, the rocks gave her her hair back in episode before ever after or whatever.

[12:40] Liz Eston: Yeah. So the rocks are connected to the flower to connect to her hair. Um, so she controls the rocks and uses it to destroy Varian's um Transformer Pacific Rim machine that he's currently operating.

[12:50] Jess Eston: Um, and then Varian gets arrested. Uh, but then Rapunzel through all the rock stuff, destroys the wall that was there between Corona and outside of Corona.

[13:00] Liz Eston: She broke the COVID barrier.

[13:01] Jess Eston: She broke the COVID barrier that Florida broke a little too early.

[13:05] Liz Eston: Um, Florida.

[13:06] Jess Eston: Fucking Florida.

[13:07] Liz Eston: Fucking Florida. I'm never going there again anyway.

[13:10] Jess Eston: Yeah. But yeah, she breaks the wall, and then the dad is like, you know, I've been protecting you for too long. It's been a year, because it's her birthday, by the way.

[13:17] Liz Eston: Oh, yeah, it's her birthday. Bad things happen on her birthday, it turns out.

[13:21] Jess Eston: They didn't do the fucking lantern shit today. I don't like my birthday either, Rapunzel. It's okay. I get how you feel. I get you.

[13:29] Liz Eston: But then the dad is like, yo, you should go on adventures too. So we'll allow that. And then Jeannie's like, I'll protect her. And then the dad is like, she don't need it.

[13:36] Jess Eston: Wait, wait, wait. I feel like we skipped a bunch of things. There's a bunch of stuff that happens.

[13:40] Liz Eston: This is very plot-heavy.

[13:41] Jess Eston: Okay, because they have to get Queen Ariana back.

[13:44] Liz Eston: Yeah, they do.

[13:45] Jess Eston: Yeah, but a lot of shit happens. Like they play on a battle plan and all that stuff.

[13:50] Liz Eston: Yeah. They sing a song about the battle plan.

[13:52] Jess Eston: Yeah, Cassandra actually gets to sing, thank God. She's a beautiful voice. Eden Espinosa.

[13:57] Liz Eston: Can I tell an Eden Espinosa anecdote real quick?

[13:59] Jess Eston: Yes.

[14:00] Liz Eston: Um, so I went to go see Norm Lewis last weekend live at the 313 cabaret in Detroit.

[14:06] Jess Eston: Staying Mary on brand, I see.

[14:08] Liz Eston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I literally cannot be more anymore myself.

[14:13] Jess Eston: Um, but they announced a bunch of other people, they wouldn't say their names coming up to the 313 cabaret. And one of them is like, this actress is known for Wicked, um, Rent, and Tangled: The Series.

[14:24] Liz Eston: And I was like, that's there's nobody else that's Eden Espinosa. Like, that was the worst hint. And the other one was like, they got their start, their big break in the show Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark.

[14:35] Jess Eston: I was like, that's either Reeve Carney or Patrick Page. There's literally no other choice there.

[14:40] Liz Eston: Was it who was it?

[14:41] Jess Eston: Patrick Page?

[14:42] Liz Eston: I don't know. They just were giving hints so you can subscribe to their next season. But I know at least Eden Espinosa is showing up.

[14:48] Jess Eston: Oh, yes, yes.

[14:50] Liz Eston: So I get to see her live probably next year.

[14:52] Jess Eston: Hell yeah.

[14:53] Liz Eston: Yeah, I'm gonna request that she sings "I Got the Wind in My Hair."

[14:57] Jess Eston: Oh no!

[14:59] Liz Eston: Or can you do the WHAH song at the place in the credits?

[15:02] Jess Eston: End credit song of the Tangled Show. You know, the party in the USA ripoff.

[15:06] Liz Eston: Yeah, that uh yeah, but they sing a Les Mis ripoff in this episode.

[15:09] Jess Eston: No, it's a Hamilton ripoff.

[15:13] Liz Eston: What are you talking about? Lynn Manuel Miranda created those like marathon songs that ended up.

[15:18] Jess Eston: Yeah, it was Tony Lynn Manuel. He created all things.

[15:20] Liz Eston: He created all things, and anytime he uses it again, he's just ripping himself off because he's one note. That's what I think.

[15:26] Jess Eston: But there's a song with multiple people singing over the end. That totally wasn't invented some another time.

[15:31] Liz Eston: They're just trying to do nonstop again.

[15:33] Jess Eston: It was invented in In the Heights, and he's just repeating himself.

[15:36] Liz Eston: Yeah, he just wants like Bruno, like same song.

[15:40] Jess Eston: Yeah, same song. Poor Lynn.

[15:43] Liz Eston: Yeah. Um, so let's talk about these songs.

[15:46] Jess Eston: So we've got "Set Yourself Free," which Yeah.

[15:50] Liz Eston: Oh wait, we need context for this.

[15:52] Jess Eston: Okay, so uh after the shenanigans of Varian being evil in one ep the previous episode, once the two-part starts, Rapunzel's dad is like, hey, uh you're not safe. I'm gonna lock you in a tower.

[16:05] Liz Eston: You know, uh j that went so well when his her last parental figure did that.

[16:09] Jess Eston: And then Eugene's like, why did you do this thing that she had to experience for 18 years of her life? Like, I need to protect her.

[16:14] Liz Eston: I'm Mr. Krebs.

[16:16] Jess Eston: So then Rapunzel's like sick of this shit. So she sings a song, um, and she periodically is standing, looks like she's staying in front of a green screen in front of her past accomplishments periodically throughout the song.

[16:29] Liz Eston: I really hated the way this song looked. It looked terrible.

[16:31] Jess Eston: It's a good song. It's just looked bad.

[16:34] Liz Eston: Um, yeah, very, very bad. Not a fan of that song in visuals, but it's pretty um Alan Menken knows how to write a song.

[16:41] Jess Eston: Then we've got "Ready as I'll Ever Be," which is Varian going full in so yeah, and Cassandra going full.

[16:47] Liz Eston: I'm gonna kick my kick everyone's ass.

[16:49] Jess Eston: Yeah, she's uh like it's weird because I just want them to fuck.

[16:57] Liz Eston: I feel like they're the end game here we're building up to.

[17:00] Jess Eston: There's a lot of fanfiction about them, so I think that's the building.

[17:05] Liz Eston: Yeah, I mean I'd prefer her and Eugene, but you know what, if they ended up together, I don't maybe maybe I should outthink my mind out of heterosexual pairings and think that maybe they don't need to be in a relationship to become whole.

[17:17] Jess Eston: I gotta get out of my preconceived notions. Thank you, Liz.

[17:20] Liz Eston: You two you've called me out properly.

[17:22] Jess Eston: Or Rapunzel, Cassandra, and Eugene should just be in a thruple.

[17:25] Liz Eston: Make it all easier.

[17:25] Jess Eston: A thruple.

[17:26] Liz Eston: No, we need a quapple because we need to bring Varian.

[17:28] Jess Eston: Oh, Varian also has to be a quapple, yeah, it's a quapple.

[17:30] Liz Eston: Um and they just think they're saying couple weird every time.

[17:33] Jess Eston: No, we're a quapple.

[17:34] Liz Eston: We're a quaffle, no, we're all dating each other. These two are married, so it's fine, but we're still dating.

[17:41] Jess Eston: So um, yeah, it's beautiful. Um, Zachary Levi gets one line, so he finally sang.

[17:48] Liz Eston: He sang the s he sung d a song.

[17:50] Jess Eston: He sung part of the song. Yay. I'm so happy that he gets a little bit um when he's not spending his fucking uh Shazam cash.

[17:59] Liz Eston: Yeah, or giving people Bibles.

[18:01] Jess Eston: Yeah. Ugh. I still think he's hot.

[18:03] Liz Eston: I just I fully acknowledge that Bible thing is weird, but I still think he's very hot.

[18:06] Jess Eston: So I don't know.

[18:07] Liz Eston: Yeah.

[18:09] Jess Eston: Um, what is "More of Me"?

[18:11] Liz Eston: Oh no, no, I know what that is. Are those the only two songs in this like whole two-hour finale?

[18:16] Jess Eston: Yeah, there's only two songs.

[18:18] Liz Eston: Wow, it felt like more.

[18:20] Jess Eston: Yeah, they're right about a quick little reprise where Varian is like, I'm gonna do this for you, daddy, and I'm gonna do this for you, daddy, and I got the wind in my hair and I'm fighting.

[18:28] Liz Eston: And I have no hair.

[18:31] Jess Eston: Um, so Varian gets arrested at the end, which was a shame. Like, I did not expect that.

[18:35] Liz Eston: I thought this show's been big on like forgiveness and letting people go previously.

[18:40] Jess Eston: Yeah, he just went to prison.

[18:42] Liz Eston: But he's like, you need to make sure he gets help, dad.

[18:44] Jess Eston: And the king is like, yeah, totally. We'll get him health. We'll just send right to Arkham Asylum and I promise.

[18:50] Liz Eston: Yeah, he'll hang out with the Joker. It'll be fun.

[18:52] Jess Eston: I'm sure spending time with a Joker in the cell next to you won't do anything bad.

[18:56] Liz Eston: The Batman didn't need the Joker reveal. I'm just saying that as a hot take.

[19:00] Jess Eston: Um, I like the scene. I like the actual deleted scene.

[19:04] Liz Eston: I liked it. I thought it was very cringy.

[19:07] Jess Eston: I like the fact that it's cringe.

[19:09] Liz Eston: Are you talking about like the Paul Dano scene or the deleted scene where Batman is interviewing the Joker, and I feel like it's just Heath Ledger Jr.?

[19:18] Jess Eston: I have a lot of pro I I was about to spit a hot take on that on Twitter, but I was afraid that it would get misinterpreted intentionally.

[19:24] Liz Eston: But my hot take is I like a Joker that can talk a complete sentences.

[19:30] Jess Eston: Like, you know, he's kind of known for being pretty well spoken.

[19:34] Liz Eston: He is.

[19:34] Jess Eston: Yeah.

[19:35] Liz Eston: Mark Hamill is like the ideal joker.

[19:37] Jess Eston: He's like, hello, everybody, hello.

[19:39] Liz Eston: And I like that entire scene.

[19:41] Jess Eston: I'm just like, can we can we not have you like a fan of yours?

[19:46] Liz Eston: Yeah, like even Caesar Romero, who's like a campy joker, but he spoke in sentences.

[19:50] Jess Eston: He was just like, I am crazy, but I have a plan.

[19:53] Liz Eston: Yeah, um, Jack. Joker has a plan, people. He's not crazy. He has a plan.

[19:56] Jess Eston: He's a fucking weirdo, not a fucking maniac.

[20:01] Liz Eston: Yeah, the penguin is the maniac. He has no plan.

[20:04] Jess Eston: Um, yeah, the Riddler, I feel like it made sense to have him be the Paul Dano kind of like snivelly version of the code.

[20:12] Liz Eston: I loved it.

[20:12] Jess Eston: It was a little bit QAnon-y at the end, but I loved it.

[20:15] Liz Eston: I didn't mind that. That worked for the character.

[20:17] Jess Eston: I just think the Joker should be like a little too above that.

[20:21] Liz Eston: I feel like he should be a little bit more upper class, strangely.

[20:27] Jess Eston: I feel like I'll be wearing a suit.

[20:29] Liz Eston: Yeah, I feel like he and Batman should be cut from the same cloth.

[20:32] Jess Eston: I feel like they are both like of the upper class, and then that's the two different directions you can go from there.

[20:38] Liz Eston: I think that's a dichotomy they never lean into much with it.

[20:42] Jess Eston: Um, because Heath Ledger ruined it for everyone.

[20:44] Liz Eston: Yeah, now they just recycle Heath Ledger Joker, and they don't even go back to the comics.

[20:48] Jess Eston: They're like, the one thing, if I'm gonna say anything nice about the Jared Leto idea, it's showing a wealthy joker that has a lot of like that was an idea.

[20:57] Liz Eston: And then I like the idea of heat.

[21:00] Jess Eston: I like the idea of it.

[21:01] Liz Eston: Yes, like an actual proper gang boss.

[21:04] Jess Eston: That there was some brilliant ideas behind Suicide Squad, which is why it's so disappointing when it all falls apart because it just didn't work.

[21:11] Liz Eston: Yeah, but also it is funny at times, like when the guy they reveal like they meet a new character.

[21:16] Jess Eston: Like this guy could climb anything.

[21:17] Liz Eston: He dies two minutes later to show there's stakes in the movie.

[21:20] Jess Eston: And I was watching his drunk for the first time with my partner at college, and I just turned it and was like, did he just die after just meeting him so this movie could have stakes?

[21:30] Liz Eston: He's like, Yeah, I think that's what happened.

[21:34] Jess Eston: My girlfriend was such denial. I walked out, I was like, that was really bad.

[21:37] Liz Eston: She's like, no, it was good. It was really good.

[21:39] Jess Eston: It was okay. It wasn't great, but it was okay.

[21:42] Liz Eston: Next day she's like, it was fucking awful.

[21:44] Jess Eston: That was me watching Jurassic World the first time with my dad. I was just like, it was fine.

[21:48] Liz Eston: It was totally fine.

[21:48] Jess Eston: And two days later, I'm like, that was terrible.

[21:50] Liz Eston: The thing is, every one of those fucking Jurassic World gets me with those trailers that I go to the movie, I'm like, I got fucked again.

[21:56] Jess Eston: I know my dad saw the newest trailer recently. He really wants to see it.

[21:58] Liz Eston: I'm like, God damn it.

[22:00] Jess Eston: Alright, we gotta wrap this on up. What did you think of these episodes?

[22:03] Liz Eston: Let's just do a cheese rating of the Varian arc right here.

[22:06] Jess Eston: Yeah, the Varian arc.

[22:08] Liz Eston: Uh, I Jeremy Jordan, he's not the best evil actor when he's playing a Chiny Child.

[22:13] Jess Eston: No, no, he is not.

[22:15] Liz Eston: I will admit I've not seen Bonnie and Clyde, so like I've seen have seen many theatrical productions.

[22:19] Jess Eston: I apologize, but um, I've seen a fair amount.

[22:22] Liz Eston: Uh, but I think when they release the pro shot with Jeremy.

[22:24] Jess Eston: I watched the pro shot if that ever comes out.

[22:27] Liz Eston: Yes. We'll do an episode on it.

[22:28] Jess Eston: Yeah.

[22:29] Liz Eston: But I've thought Jeremy Jordan's a decent actor. He's not super convincing, but I like the Varian arc idea.

[22:35] Jess Eston: The setup is a little clunk.

[22:37] Liz Eston: Well, we know he's still got two seasons left.

[22:38] Jess Eston: So we never.

[22:48] Liz Eston: Maybe it's another gopher back from the dead.

[22:50] Jess Eston: Wouldn't that be cool?

[22:51] Liz Eston: Oh, it'd be so good if Donna Murphy was back. Just give us more Donna Murphy.

[22:51] Jess Eston: Donna Murphy.

[22:56] Liz Eston: Um, I think I'm gonna give this Havarti cheese.

[22:58] Jess Eston: It just feels nice and good and feels very good going down the throat.

[23:02] Liz Eston: I like the show. I'm gonna give it goat cheese because it tastes good and it's good.

[23:07] Jess Eston: It's a fun time, it's delicious.

[23:10] Liz Eston: Um, I know we're wrapping this up, but we're not quite done with talking about season one after this.

[23:14] Jess Eston: Soon we're gonna do a season one recap where we're gonna talk about the season as a whole.

[23:17] Liz Eston: So don't worry, we'll talk more about this.

[23:19] Jess Eston: But we've gotta wrap this episode on up because I've got deadlines.

[23:22] Liz Eston: All right, Elizabeth, you got anything else you want to say?

[23:25] Jess Eston: Use my full name, so I feel like I'm in trouble.

[23:28] Liz Eston: Miss Eston, do you have things to say?

[23:31] Jess Eston: Uh, the show is good. Uh, you should watch it.

[23:34] Liz Eston: Watch the season, and then you can watch along with us when we do season two.

[23:38] Jess Eston: Yeah, and watch the season so when this discussion episode comes out, you can follow along.

[23:45] Liz Eston: Hell yeah.

[23:45] Jess Eston: We'll see you next time on Patreon Witches!

[23:49] Liz Eston: But back.

[23:51] Jess Eston: Now it's up, K L and what you'll do.

[23:54] Liz Eston: And who be to the sun, help her run away?

[24:12] Jess Eston: And send us the food.