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[0:34] Jesse Mackinelli: Hello and welcome to this emergency bonus episode of Musicals with Cheese. I'm Jesse Mackinelli, joined as always by the one and only Andrew the Wolf to Wolf.

[0:45] Andrew the Wolf: Hello, what's the emergency? Why are we uh what's so urgent?

[0:50] Jesse Mackinelli: Red alert, or should I say green alert? They released the Wicked trailer to go along with the big game. Hashtag the big game. Did you watch the big game?

[0:58] Andrew the Wolf: The big game, Taylor Swift at the big game, big game.

[1:01] Jesse Mackinelli: You mean the Taylor Swift event with all the Swifties in the audience?

[1:04] Andrew the Wolf: Yes, the Taylor Swift event with all the Swifties in the audience. And also Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo, stars of Wicked, because the Super Bowl big game brought to you at Taylor Swift event was brought to you by Wicked.

[1:18] Jesse Mackinelli: It was.

[1:57] Andrew the Wolf: I was playing Dance Dance Revolution. It was very uh intense, high intensity event.

[2:02] Jesse Mackinelli: He shaked it off.

[2:03] Andrew the Wolf: I shook it off.

[2:05] Jesse Mackinelli: As the Swifties say.

[2:30] Andrew the Wolf: Um, alright, here we go. The best way to bring folks together.

[2:36] Jesse Mackinelli: Something has changed with it.

[2:40] Andrew the Wolf: Is to give them a real good anime.

[2:42] Jesse Mackinelli: That pointed George Bush politics era is really relevant now.

[2:47] Andrew the Wolf: I am. Something is. Oh my god, she's green.

[2:51] Jesse Mackinelli: Something just takes over me. And when it does, bad things happen.

[2:57] Andrew the Wolf: We kind of get a little bit of the music there.

[2:59] Jesse Mackinelli: Once you learn to harness your emotions.

[3:12] Andrew the Wolf: It's the Wizard of Oz, people!

[3:14] Jesse Mackinelli: I'm gonna come!

[3:19] Andrew the Wolf: Don't be afraid.

[3:22] Jesse Mackinelli: I like the head.

[3:23] Andrew the Wolf: The big head.

[3:24] Jesse Mackinelli: It's the wizard who should be afraid of it.

[3:28] Andrew the Wolf: She did the riff.

[3:32] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay, so that was that. You know, it's not one minute on the dot. It's not the worst first look I've ever seen.

[3:40] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, they're not even calling it a trailer, it's a first look.

[3:43] Jesse Mackinelli: Um something that's you're called teasers, I think, right?

[3:47] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, uh, those don't exist anymore. Um they're first looks.

[3:51] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah. Notice the like to dislike ratio.

[3:54] Andrew the Wolf: That is something I literally noticed while watching this right now.

[3:58] Jesse Mackinelli: I did not expect this.

[4:00] Andrew the Wolf: That's not a good like to dislike ratio. I'm not sure why that would be, to be honest.

[4:04] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, I mean they did nail it with the 69.

[4:07] Andrew the Wolf: We have 69k dislikes, so you we nailed it there. I think it might have to do with the crowd that loves to use the gamer word, um, not particularly liking the casting decisions, if you know what I mean.

[4:19] Jesse Mackinelli: Were those people excited to see Wicked?

[4:22] Andrew the Wolf: No, but they're equally as excited to be racist.

[4:25] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh, it's kind of like how none of them would have watched Ghostbusters in 2016, but all of them were upset about it.

[4:32] Andrew the Wolf: Yes, like James Rolfe.

[4:34] Jesse Mackinelli: James Rolfe didn't get upset about it, he just didn't cover it.

[4:37] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, and he made a whole video about how he wasn't gonna cover it. Um probably because all the fucking asshole sexists were constantly pestering him to cover it.

[4:45] Jesse Mackinelli: Good cobra, right? Um, kind of like the people with us in the Wicked movie.

[4:50] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, except for we were gonna cover it.

[4:52] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah. I do sense shenanigans on first watch here. You notice what is absent from this trailer.

[5:00] Andrew the Wolf: Um, any music?

[5:02] Jesse Mackinelli: Well, there is that. Um that is a-ways absent from these?

[5:07] Andrew the Wolf: There is a little bit of like the little bump like pieces, and she uh you hear a little bit of Defying Gravity, but you wouldn't expect it to be abusable based on the vibe alone.

[5:18] Jesse Mackinelli: Um it's also a CGI nightmare hellscape. It looks just like Alice in Wonderland and the Great and Powerful with a little less of the Sam Raimi charm.

[5:26] Andrew the Wolf: Can we even detract points from movies for that anymore though? Like they all look like that now.

[5:30] Jesse Mackinelli: I don't know. Like Barbie didn't look like that.

[5:35] Andrew the Wolf: I was hoping for like a Barbie event kind of vibe, you know.

[5:39] Jesse Mackinelli: But Barbie was more grounded, like they had it take place in places that sort of could be real, whereas this is like a fantasy world.

[5:49] Andrew the Wolf: So of course it's gonna it's gonna be a CGI nightmare, like obviously.

[5:52] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes. Alright, so what do you think is missing?

[5:55] Andrew the Wolf: A part one.

[5:57] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh.

[5:59] Andrew the Wolf: I think that's people into thinking this is our full movie when it is decidedly not a full movie.

[6:07] Jesse Mackinelli: Are we sure they didn't go back on that?

[6:10] Andrew the Wolf: Yes, we are sure. Um we are 100% certain. Also, like I am bothered by the marketing because they also released the teaser poster where a hundred percent um they will not be wearing either of those costumes in the first part of that movie.

[6:27] Jesse Mackinelli: Really?

[6:28] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, because um, let's switch that tab. Um we have Elphaba in her like classic Wizard of Oz garb, which she wears in act two and only act two, really, of Wicked, and Glinda in her ball gown that she wears only for No One Mourns Wicked, and Act Two of Wicked.

[6:46] Jesse Mackinelli: And if we're to believe the rumors, um, it's part two one is only Act One of Wicked, in which case neither of them will wear these outfits at the same time.

[6:55] Andrew the Wolf: What if we just like all believe hard enough that they've decided to release it all as one movie?

[7:01] Jesse Mackinelli: They have not. They've uh have it on a separate schedule. Now, let's take a look at this. Um, so a good portion of this trailer is um focusing on act one and pieces that happen in act one.

[7:14] Andrew the Wolf: So you could say it is a trailer for the first half of Wicked.

[7:18] Jesse Mackinelli: However, there are pieces that are a hundred percent in Act Two. Like um, this piece of Glinda right here, that is obviously for Thank Goodness, or you know, when she's in there, as well as this frame of the original Wizard of Oz crew, which there's no way that's happening in Act One.

[7:37] Andrew the Wolf: That's literally that is Act Two, if I remember correctly.

[7:40] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes. Act two is basically nothing but setting up um Wizard of Oz.

[7:45] Andrew the Wolf: So I sense shenanigans. There's something going on here. Maybe maybe the hint is in the title here, Wicked First Look.

[7:55] Jesse Mackinelli: Maybe it's actually called Wicked First.

[7:57] Andrew the Wolf: Look. Part one is called Wicked First, and part two is Wicked Look.

[8:03] Jesse Mackinelli: No, no, the part two is called Wicked Second, and then they'll release a trailer and it's gonna be called Wicked Second.

[8:07] Andrew the Wolf: Look. Or or or the justification for calling this a first look is they can take pieces of part one and part two and not claim it's a trailer for one movie.

[8:17] Jesse Mackinelli: I feel like this is false advertising if they're not disclaiming this though, because this is just it just says Wicked, and then it says see it on the big screen this Thanksgiving.

[8:26] Andrew the Wolf: Now we've already done a previous recording where we talked about how stupid it is that they're breaking this up into two. There's barely enough content in this story for one.

[8:35] Jesse Mackinelli: I there's enough content for one, but there's definitely not enough for two.

[8:40] Andrew the Wolf: Well, you could do one hour and a half movie and it would be fine. I just saw Wicked about three weeks ago, the tour, and I don't know how generous I was when we did the episode a thousand years ago, nearly half a decade ago, but I don't think that age that show's really that great.

[8:58] Jesse Mackinelli: I think that the book to that show is borderline terrible. I think that it's a lot of spectacle and it's one of those just big musical like events that people want to see. Um I think I said it best when we did the first recording, and every time we talk about Wicked, that the big head is really cool, you know.

[9:15] Andrew the Wolf: Um people like the um I I do think that they spend way too much time in the in the in Wicked just setting up Wizard of Oz, which you know Yes.

[9:27] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah.

[9:29] Andrew the Wolf: Um also after Act One, she gets the broom, becomes a Wicked Witch of the West. Act two, nothing happens.

[9:35] Jesse Mackinelli: It is meandering around setting up pieces for the Wizard of Oz, and then the show ends.

[9:43] Andrew the Wolf: There's no development really, aside from Elphaba and Fiero getting together, but we kinda already knew that was gonna happen. Like nothing really happens aside for the things that have to happen.

[9:55] Jesse Mackinelli: I can't disagree with you there.

[9:57] Andrew the Wolf: Well and it's so lame. It is so I am so bored in Act Two of Wicked. How are they gonna make it a full movie?

[10:05] Jesse Mackinelli: And that being said, a full two movies, you mean to say.

[10:08] Andrew the Wolf: Well, yeah, but I'm talking about act two. How are you gonna make Act Two a full movie?

[10:13] Jesse Mackinelli: Maybe they'll expand upon it, maybe they'll add more Wizard of Oz elements, considering we did just see, like, you know, the main gang of the Wizard of Oz shown here.

[10:21] Andrew the Wolf: Guarantee that's what they're gonna do. We're gonna get a lot more like um almost the second movie might be like remaking Wizard of Oz while you also do the part second half of Wicked in a way, you know.

[10:33] Jesse Mackinelli: I wouldn't even be surprised if they try to include songs from Wizard of Oz in Act Two.

[10:38] Andrew the Wolf: Well, they can't, owned by a different company.

[10:41] Jesse Mackinelli: Maybe they can get permission, maybe.

[10:43] Andrew the Wolf: Well, the judging of getting permission there was interesting, and I think that has been all but confirmed when we saw Dorothy's slippers.

[10:53] Jesse Mackinelli: Did you notice it?

[10:54] Andrew the Wolf: Not the right color.

[10:56] Jesse Mackinelli: They are silver slippers. We're going with the book logic.

[11:00] Andrew the Wolf: So they're not aping off the MGM movie entirely. However, the Tin Man and the Scarecrow are basically the MGM movie, but the lion is quadrupedal, which is, you know, instead of just a gay man in a big ol' big old teddy bear suit.

[11:15] Jesse Mackinelli: Which is essentially blasphemous.

[11:17] Andrew the Wolf: You shouldn't be allowed to do this.

[11:19] Jesse Mackinelli: That’s Aslan.

[11:21] Andrew the Wolf: Like I don't Yeah.

[11:24] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay. So I don't know. My whole thought on this thing is like the this teaser, while not being amazing, isn't really that bad to me.

[11:34] Andrew the Wolf: But it's pretty bad to me.

[11:36] Jesse Mackinelli: I think the issue that I'm seeing is more so in that we know it's gonna be two movies, and this teaser is clearly clearly from both movies.

[11:46] Andrew the Wolf: They're kind of hiding it for one, which is a little bit shady, but also like you didn't there's nothing in this teaser that tells me that they have figured out how to make act one into a full movie, you know.

[11:58] Jesse Mackinelli: Or act two in its own full movie. Because like even here, like this is supposedly a teaser to whatever's coming out in Thanksgiving, which I assume is only Act One, and they still in the teaser they had to include stuff from Act Two.

[12:13] Andrew the Wolf: You're when you're right, you're right. And the problem they always said is we didn't figure out a way to like top Defying Gravity, and we how did the stage show do it? People still came back from Act One, you know.

[12:25] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, I mean I now let's talk general audiences. Andrew, I know that I've ruined you and you've got brain rot for doing this podcast for so long.

[12:35] Andrew the Wolf: But just normal people going to say, hey, I want to see Wicked, and then they only get half a movie.

[12:43] Jesse Mackinelli: I don't think the cliffhanger's interesting enough where I'm like, oh, I gotta see the second one.

[12:48] Andrew the Wolf: I really think every discussion of fucking Wicked is always gonna come back to this. Why did they split it up? There was no reason to split it up. It's so dumb.

[12:55] Jesse Mackinelli: And again, I'm I got my fingers crossed. Maybe maybe they changed their mind. Maybe maybe it's just one movie.

[13:02] Andrew the Wolf: It says Wicked. Wicked. See it on the big screen. No there's no hint that it's part one.

[13:07] Jesse Mackinelli: You know, maybe maybe they changed their mind and just didn't tell anybody.

[13:10] Andrew the Wolf: According to Wikipedia, the first Wicked is releasing November 27, 2024, and the sequel, Wicked Part 2, or at least November 26, 2025.

[13:20] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh my god, please.

[13:22] Andrew the Wolf: Like, okay.

[13:23] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah.

[13:24] Andrew the Wolf: I mean, I I don't think that they have changed their mind, but I God, I really I really wish that they did.

[13:30] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes, yes, I do too. Um, do you know what production company made this film?

[13:37] Andrew the Wolf: Oh god, it was probably in the teaser, so I should know, but no idea.

[13:40] Jesse Mackinelli: Literally right there in the image right there.

[13:43] Andrew the Wolf: Where?

[13:43] Jesse Mackinelli: In the YouTube page, sir.

[13:45] Andrew the Wolf: Oh, Universal?

[13:46] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes. Do you know what other film musicals they have released in the last few years?

[13:51] Andrew the Wolf: Uh don't they didn't do Cats, so Yes they did.

[13:55] Jesse Mackinelli: They did Cats. Why do they think Cats was Warner Brothers?

[13:58] Andrew the Wolf: Um, because Warner Brothers is making its own kind of mistakes lately.

[14:03] Jesse Mackinelli: But that's not what we're talking about. We're not that kind of podcast.

[14:06] Andrew the Wolf: So Universal put out Cats, and now they're splitting up Wicked into What else did they put out?

[14:12] Jesse Mackinelli: Um who also shares the executive producer credit is this one.

[14:17] Andrew the Wolf: Oh good lord, is there another terrible musical that I'm forgetting?

[14:20] Jesse Mackinelli: Yep. We covered it.

[14:23] Andrew the Wolf: Is it lame is?

[14:25] Jesse Mackinelli: No, well, yes it is, but that is another one.

[14:31] Andrew the Wolf: There's another one.

[14:32] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes, there is!

[14:34] Andrew the Wolf: Oh no, is it Dear Evan Hansen?

[14:36] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes it is!

[14:37] Andrew the Wolf: Mark Fox!

[14:39] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay, yeah. Um there's very little hype for this now. I'm sorry, Jess. You've convinced me. This is probably not gonna be very good.

[14:48] Andrew the Wolf: I'm sorry, everyone. I want it to be positive. I hate to say I mean, let's talk about John M. Chu, who directed it.

[14:57] Andrew the Wolf: He directed a film you and I both kinda liked at the time, but I think probably aged badly.

[15:01] Andrew the Wolf: Um, in the heights.

[15:03] Andrew the Wolf: I think in the heights, maybe if we go back, it would be terrible, but I feel like it was fine.

[15:03] Andrew the Wolf: Like it was.

[15:08] Andrew the Wolf: I tried to watch it.

[15:09] Andrew the Wolf: The luster has worn off a little bit, but not like horrors.

[15:12] Andrew the Wolf: It's still it's still admittedly better than like this stuff.

[15:16] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes.

[15:16] Andrew the Wolf: Like you have to still say that, right?

[15:19] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes.

[15:20] Andrew the Wolf: So maybe I'm just being um uh uh uh a Debbie Downer, as people like to say I am, because I'm just you know, I'm me, I guess.

[15:31] Andrew the Wolf: I wanna go into Wicked and and try to like it, but like one, I hate the part one, part two thing.

[15:37] Andrew the Wolf: I I just I would hate that regardless of what it was.

[15:40] Andrew the Wolf: Like, even if they split something up like if if it will if it looked like really good and they split up like lame is or something.

[15:45] Andrew the Wolf: Like I still would be like, why would you why?

[15:48] Andrew the Wolf: Like there's no reason to do that, you know?

[15:50] Andrew the Wolf: Like, there's just I don't like the concept of taking one story and making it two just arbitrarily.

[15:56] Andrew the Wolf: I'm not not a fan of that at all.

[15:58] Andrew the Wolf: Um but I still want to go in and just try to like it, but there's a lot working against it right now.

[16:04] Jesse Mackinelli: Is there anything that you were like really impressed by at all?

[16:07] Andrew the Wolf: Like, I would be much more positive about this if it were just one movie.

[16:12] Andrew the Wolf: That's the sad part.

[16:13] Andrew the Wolf: If it was just one movie, I'd be like, yeah, I'm optimistic, but it's two movies.

[16:19] Andrew the Wolf: I I think I mean visually it doesn't look amazing, but I don't think it looks it's not like horrible.

[16:26] Andrew the Wolf: Like it looks comparable to like your average like superhero movie, I feel I mean that's the problem.

[16:33] Andrew the Wolf: Uh have the what has been a good movie musical?

[16:38] Andrew the Wolf: Like, nothing has looked as good as West Side Story.

[16:41] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, I was gonna say West Side Story.

[16:43] Jesse Mackinelli: Like West Side Story was great.

[16:45] Jesse Mackinelli: Um then you've got Tic Tic Boom, who has the same cinematographer, but this still looks immeasurably worse.

[16:51] Andrew the Wolf: Hey, the color purple was good.

[16:53] Jesse Mackinelli: Color purple was good, and I'm thinking that was also universal, so so we've seen some

[16:53] Andrew the Wolf: No, that's a lie.

[17:01] Andrew the Wolf: That's a lie.

[17:03] Andrew the Wolf: The color purple was WB.

[17:05] Andrew the Wolf: Warner Brothers did do a musical.

[17:07] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes, and you know what?

[17:07] Jesse Mackinelli: Warner Brothers also did Barbie and they did in the Heights.

[17:11] Andrew the Wolf: Maybe Warner Brothers is actually we they're their superhero team is just flubbing, but they're they're got some stuff up their sleeve.

[17:19] Jesse Mackinelli: I about to say, don't you start giving them too much credit because they're just gonna throw away another fucking movie, aren't they?

[17:24] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, I mean I I hear that this new uh Roadrunner movie they're making is gonna be really good.

[17:29] Jesse Mackinelli: I can't wait to see that.

[17:30] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, I I hear that like the the writer of May December wrote it, you know, Oscar nominated writer, James Gunn co-wrote the score.

[17:38] Andrew the Wolf: He's an executive at Warner Brothers, so I mean clearly that movie's gonna get a big release.

[17:46] Jesse Mackinelli: You know it it's not great to be a media consumer in the the current age of the 2020s.

[17:54] Jesse Mackinelli: Everything good gets thrown away and still comes out.

[17:59] Andrew the Wolf: I mean, yeah, they thought the flash was too important to not get a theatrical release.

[18:03] Andrew the Wolf: I don't know if you've seen that yet, but oh god, no, it wasn't.

[18:06] Andrew the Wolf: It did not deserve to be released at all.

[18:09] Andrew the Wolf: I uh I don't think I've watched any DC superhero movie besides Shazam.

[18:15] Andrew the Wolf: That's the only one I've seen.

[18:17] Andrew the Wolf: The Suicide Squad.

[18:18] Andrew the Wolf: Not Suicide Squad, The Suicide Squad is good.

[18:21] Andrew the Wolf: That is the only other one I'd recommend.

[18:23] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay.

[18:23] Andrew the Wolf: So if I watch that one, then I have seen the two ones that are okay.

[18:27] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes.

[18:28] Andrew the Wolf: That is it.

[18:30] Andrew the Wolf: I actually kinda like Shazam too, but I'm in a minority there, so.

[18:35] Jesse Mackinelli: But we're while we're talking about Wicked, there is another topic I think it's important that we cover that is in the same vein.

[18:41] Jesse Mackinelli: Do you know where I'm going with this?

[18:42] Andrew the Wolf: It's not Taylor Swift related, is it?

[18:45] Jesse Mackinelli: No.

[18:45] Jesse Mackinelli: Not that I know of, at least.

[18:48] Jesse Mackinelli: I don't think I know where you're going with it.

[18:50] Andrew the Wolf: Let's let's find out though.

[18:51] Andrew the Wolf: In the opposite direction of taking something that does not be need to be two films and making it into two films.

[18:58] Andrew the Wolf: Taking something that's a full series and making it into a movie rushed.

[19:04] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay.

[19:04] Jesse Mackinelli: How about we take a look at Disney's Moana 2?

[19:09] Andrew the Wolf: Oh.

[19:12] Jesse Mackinelli: This got a trailer already?

[19:14] Andrew the Wolf: Oh, it's coming out that soon.

[19:16] Jesse Mackinelli: It's coming out the same day as Wicked.

[19:25] Andrew the Wolf: There is nothing here.

[19:28] Andrew the Wolf: It was supposed to be a Disney Plus series that Bob Iger decided, you know what?

[19:32] Andrew the Wolf: Let's make it into a movie.

[19:34] Andrew the Wolf: And announcing it at less than a year away from its release, where Wick was announced 700 years ago, and it's finally maybe getting released this November, and now they're going head to head.

[19:46] Andrew the Wolf: The half-assed bullshit movie made just because they needed to hit a certain quota of money this year, and the other one where they made it two films because they need to make a certain quota this year.

[19:58] Jesse Mackinelli: What do we do?

[19:59] Jesse Mackinelli: You know, like as a as a consumer, like, what do you do about the troubling trends that is mainstream Hollywood movies?

[20:09] Andrew the Wolf: Other than just not watch them.

[20:10] Andrew the Wolf: I know like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be the guy that's like all movies are shit now.

[20:14] Andrew the Wolf: Obviously, there's a ton of indie films that I've never heard of that are probably amazing, and if I just seek them out, I'd probably enjoy them a lot.

[20:21] Jesse Mackinelli: But I'm not that true.

[20:22] Andrew the Wolf: You know what movie I saw recently that was like insanely original and I enjoyed a lot and looked beautiful and like had something, and yeah, it was rough around the edges, but I thought was great.

[20:30] Andrew the Wolf: Lisa Frankenstein.

[20:32] Andrew the Wolf: It's about a girl that accidentally resurrects a corpse and then they fall in love and fuck.

[20:37] Andrew the Wolf: Great movie.

[20:38] Andrew the Wolf: Really wild, really knows what it is tone-wise, a rip roaring good time.

[20:43] Jesse Mackinelli: So is is the answer like we just everyone has to seek out indie movies now because mainstream Hollywood is just corrupted beyond belief and just will never fucking release anything good ever again.

[20:54] Andrew the Wolf: Well, you say that, but they're there it's not a truly indie movie.

[20:58] Andrew the Wolf: That's the thing.

[20:59] Andrew the Wolf: Indie movies don't fucking exist anymore.

[21:01] Andrew the Wolf: They're even the ones that we call quote unquote indie are released and made by studios.

[21:06] Andrew the Wolf: It's just not as major of releases, so it's it's hard to even qualify them.

[21:11] Andrew the Wolf: It's like it's like in gaming, there's like triple A games and then double A games.

[21:16] Jesse Mackinelli: Uh so these would be like double A movies.

[21:21] Andrew the Wolf: Yes.

[21:22] Andrew the Wolf: Like technically, like what I'm doing with Domino, that is independent filmmaking.

[21:26] Andrew the Wolf: I'm financing it myself.

[21:28] Andrew the Wolf: I don't have a studio behind me.

[21:29] Andrew the Wolf: Um what Red Letter Media did with like Space Cop, what like it or not, Doug Walker did what those are truly independent films.

[21:37] Jesse Mackinelli: Yes, and that type of shit doesn't happen that often, or at least not in a way where you're gonna hear it.

[21:42] Jesse Mackinelli: And it's rarely good is the other thing, because you don't have as much time, you don't have as much resources, and you can't unless you're someone like Chris Stuckman, who has like an infinite resources because of his audience, that's where you might get something interesting.

[21:57] Andrew the Wolf: Um or you might just have a really hungry artist.

[22:00] Andrew the Wolf: I really like Jeremy Gardner and Christian Stella's work.

[22:03] Jesse Mackinelli: But back to Moana 2.

[22:05] Jesse Mackinelli: What do you think the most marketable and effective part of Moana, the first one was?

[22:11] Andrew the Wolf: Marketable ineffective in I think the most marketable part is probably uh, you know, Dwayne the Rock Johnson as as Maui.

[22:20] Jesse Mackinelli: Well, he's coming back, that's been confirmed, and so is uh the young person that is playing uh Moana.

[22:26] Jesse Mackinelli: They're coming back as well.

[22:27] Jesse Mackinelli: Um the most effective.

[22:29] Jesse Mackinelli: As seen in the Mean Girls movie.

[22:30] Andrew the Wolf: I I think the most effective part is the the storytelling and that they actually gave a shit about like uh yes, which obviously that won't happen here about because um, you know, they brought in someone who might know a little bit about you know Pacific Islander culture, like Lynn Manuel Moranda to do the score.

[22:50] Jesse Mackinelli: Um, who is not returning to do the music and songs for Moana 2.

[22:56] Andrew the Wolf: Two guesses as to who they got, and believe me, it won't make you cringe.

[23:00] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, well.

[23:01] Jesse Mackinelli: Is it is it the people that did Frozen?

[23:04] Andrew the Wolf: No, but you're very close.

[23:05] Andrew the Wolf: Um I uh one more guess.

[23:09] Jesse Mackinelli: Is it the people that did Frozen 2?

[23:13] Andrew the Wolf: I mean the people that also did Frozen.

[23:16] Jesse Mackinelli: That's my only guess.

[23:17] Andrew the Wolf: Who did it?

[23:19] Andrew the Wolf: When I say Barlow and Bear, what does that mean to you?

[23:23] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh.

[23:23] Jesse Mackinelli: It should be at least one thing.

[23:25] Jesse Mackinelli: I remember in my head these names, but I is this is this the Tom and Jerry Wizard of Oz people?

[23:33] Andrew the Wolf: I don't even remember what

[23:34] Andrew the Wolf: It is the Bridgerton the TikTok musical.

[23:38] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh yes, that's who it was.

[23:41] Jesse Mackinelli: Okay.

[23:41] Jesse Mackinelli: I knew it in my head.

[23:42] Jesse Mackinelli: The ones that got sued by Netflix for doing what they were doing, and then had to not ever sing those songs again.

[23:48] Andrew the Wolf: Oh god, that's actually that kind of sucks, because I remember their music being fine but relatively bland.

[23:55] Andrew the Wolf: Um which I think Moana 2 will probably s be something of like two white British-ish girls to write this really kind of, you know, islander vibe musical.

[24:10] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah.

[24:10] Jesse Mackinelli: And it's very clearly uh a a throwback to the Disney animated sequels where they just took three episodes of a TV show that they were gonna make and then they didn't make and then made it into a movie, you know, like the Atlantis movie sequel or the Tarzan and Jane movie, or the Cinderella 2 movie, where it's just three episodes of TV shows shoved together and they call it a movie.

[24:31] Andrew the Wolf: That's what we're getting, but it's only gonna get put in theaters now.

[24:36] Jesse Mackinelli: D Disney is oh man.

[24:39] Jesse Mackinelli: I don't even know what's going on with like I I think it was Shea Ferolis who said, like, who made who the fuck made Encanto?

[24:46] Jesse Mackinelli: Like who who did that?

[24:48] Jesse Mackinelli: Cause like it wasn't Disney, right?

[24:52] Andrew the Wolf: No, and Kanto was that strange golden strand um in the hay.

[24:58] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, it's like they have just been putting out trash.

[25:02] Jesse Mackinelli: It is crazy.

[25:04] Jesse Mackinelli: It it is uh not the best situation, you know.

[25:08] Jesse Mackinelli: It's a pretty dull world for creativity altogether.

[25:12] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah.

[25:13] Jesse Mackinelli: So, what what are you hoping?

[25:16] Jesse Mackinelli: Because you and I are obviously gonna have to see both of these when these fucking monstrosities hit theaters on November 27th.

[25:25] Andrew the Wolf: My hope is that Moana 2 is not going to ruin the first one for me.

[25:30] Andrew the Wolf: Um, and yes, it's better than Wish, that would be nice.

[25:33] Andrew the Wolf: Uh and honestly, I still think that there is a small chance that Wicked will be good.

[25:41] Andrew the Wolf: So I'm hoping for that.

[25:43] Andrew the Wolf: I'm hoping that that like we got like the 10% chance that they somehow figured out what to do to make this work, and they made it happen.

[25:53] Jesse Mackinelli: Well, I am uh 60 40 chance.

[25:56] Jesse Mackinelli: Um maybe they they're making some really smart story decisions, but I I'm dubious and doubtful.

[26:03] Jesse Mackinelli: I'm not impressed by what I'm seeing so far.

[26:05] Andrew the Wolf: I think that the problem is that they showed a serviceable teaser, but they needed to sell us on the idea of like this is gonna be two movies, and they didn't even they hit it.

[26:17] Andrew the Wolf: They didn't even touch on it.

[26:18] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, that's the thing.

[26:19] Jesse Mackinelli: The bet like the only time this has worked, and I hate giving this any credit, is the last Harry Potter movie, and it's because they very openly marketed it, like, hey, in November you're getting part one, in July you're getting part two.

[26:32] Jesse Mackinelli: Here's the trailer for both of those experiences before we start marketing each one individually.

[26:38] Jesse Mackinelli: But that was only like what, nine months in between?

[26:41] Andrew the Wolf: This is like a full year, twelve months, a complete rotation around the earth.

[26:48] Jesse Mackinelli: I don't think I got my science right there.

[26:50] Andrew the Wolf: I also just I just don't think um I I honestly I don't even like that they did that with Harry Potter, and I find those last Harry Potter movies to be fucking extremely boring.

[26:59] Jesse Mackinelli: I'm talking marketability out alone.

[27:02] Jesse Mackinelli: Yeah, the way they marketed it was better, but like again, I I really just hate the splitting, and I I we've talked to death about this.

[27:09] Jesse Mackinelli: We did a whole video about it where I'm pretty sure I said over and over again, I hate splitting stories into two stories.

[27:14] Jesse Mackinelli: I hate it so fucking easy.

[27:15] Andrew the Wolf: But what do you think about that combining stories into one story?

[27:19] Jesse Mackinelli: Both of them.

[27:20] Andrew the Wolf: Honestly, combining stories into one story, I can even I can see that being like, okay, well, there's not enough material here, so we add more.

[27:28] Andrew the Wolf: Taking it and like spreading it thin is worse in my opinion.

[27:32] Andrew the Wolf: Like making a story more making a story more dense, I think is more likely to work than making a story less dense.

[27:42] Jesse Mackinelli: Fair enough.

[27:43] Jesse Mackinelli: Well, we'll be here to talk about both of these eventually.

[27:46] Jesse Mackinelli: Join us for another year and we'll see what what's going on, guys.

[27:50] Jesse Mackinelli: Uh what did you think of the wicked movie?

[27:52] Jesse Mackinelli: Let us know in our Spotify comments.

[27:54] Jesse Mackinelli: Um are you excited?

[27:55] Jesse Mackinelli: Do you think it looks good, or do you think it looks like diarrhea, cowabunga piece of b dog shit?

[28:00] Andrew the Wolf: Thanks, James Rolfe.

[28:02] Andrew the Wolf: Uh, it looks like a shitload of fuck.

[28:05] Andrew the Wolf: Who who did this?

[28:06] Andrew the Wolf: A fucking poopy big stinky boy?

[28:09] Andrew the Wolf: Oh, uh I want poop on the game.

[28:12] Andrew the Wolf: Looks like a shitload of fuck out of a diarrhea donkey bum bum hole.

[28:18] Jesse Mackinelli: All right.

[28:22] Jesse Mackinelli: Um You know what?

[28:24] Jesse Mackinelli: If it was two thousand and five, the wicked movie would probably be better.

[28:28] Andrew the Wolf: If they had done it in two thousand and five, I think a lot more people would have had interest and it would have been a lot more of a novelty.

[28:34] Jesse Mackinelli: Welcome to twenty years later.

[28:36] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah.

[28:37] Andrew the Wolf: Twenty years later, you know, the luster's worn off a bit.

[28:41] Jesse Mackinelli: Oh man.

[28:42] Jesse Mackinelli: Well right, we'll see you next time.

[28:45] Jesse Mackinelli: Let us know what you thought.

[28:47] Andrew the Wolf: Yeah, yeah.

[28:48] Jesse Mackinelli: Enjoy this week's episode.

[28:49] Jesse Mackinelli: It's gonna be a good one.

[28:51] Andrew the Wolf: Bye, kids.

[28:52] Andrew the Wolf: I love you.

[28:52] Jesse Mackinelli: Get some sleep.

[28:55] Andrew the Wolf: And be happier.

[29:00] Andrew the Wolf: So I couldn't be happier.

[29:06] Andrew the Wolf: Because happy is what happens when all your dreams come true.

[29:19] Jesse Mackinelli: Well isn't it?

[29:28] Jesse Mackinelli: When your dreams come in, I'm not gonna be a