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[0:15] Jess: Hello and welcome to Make Me a Musical.

[0:18] Andrew: A little late today.

[0:19] Jess: Thanks, Andrew.

[0:21] Andrew: Oh, we're doing fantastic though.

[0:23] Jess: Thank you, Jess.

[0:26] Andrew: Um, so what have we got today, Andrew?

[0:29] Jess: You came up with like the most the best idea, and I'm into it. I I'm ready for this.

[0:33] Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Well, you had a a really bad idea. You wanted to do catfishing, the musical.

[0:36] Jess: And I was like, that sounds terrible. What if we did catfishing, the musical?

[0:43] Andrew: I was sold. I was sold.

[0:46] Jess: Um so this is about the legit sport of catfishing.

[0:52] Andrew: Yes.

[0:53] Jess: Legitimate sport, uh, where you catch uh catfish. Um and there's no other meaning to the term catfishing.

[1:02] Andrew: So catfish are named for their prominent barbels, um, which resemble a cat's whiskers. Catfish range in size and behavior from the three largest species alive.

[1:14] Jess: Very interesting so far. Um, you need to have like the very basics. It is not as easy as catching normal fish.

[1:24] Andrew: It sounds like so why is catching catfish more difficult?

[1:29] Jess: Um, I don't quite know. I think they're just smarter and better and significantly larger than most fish. Like you need this weird like toilet paper, like you know, like one of those noodles? You kind of need a pool noodle to catch a catfish.

[1:44] Andrew: Okay.

[1:45] Jess: It's called noodling. Where do catfish where are they found? Like where where do we have to set this show?

[1:54] Andrew: Ooh. They're found all over the world. Um, but they live mostly in the United States, so it's uh the m the largest catfish ever has been found in the Missouri River. Uh, it's gonna be a southern show.

[2:06] Jess: Yeah, it's gonna be a real parade here.

[2:11] Andrew: Okay, okay. Uh honestly, I'm kinda into it so far. So should there just be a catfishing contest? Should we be like really that big into it?

[2:23] Jess: I feel like it's gotta be you gotta have a character who finds catfishing uh and is like just drawn in, and it's about it's about that, and maybe he also he meets somebody and they fall in love.

[2:43] Andrew: I love it. But also it has to be online, like they're they're just watching him.

[2:50] Jess: No no no. Uh here's my thought.

[2:52] Andrew: Okay.

[2:53] Jess: So y okay, we we o you wanna tie it back into catfishing, right? 'Cause yeah, because funny joke. The funny joke is there. What if they do meet in person? It's not over the internet, but you tie it in by having uh the person they meet be deceptive in other ways.

[3:13] Andrew: Uh oh, and then it what if it's like an em uh what is it? A Willy Wonka situation where they're being blackmailed.

[3:21] Jess: Like they're being paid by the alternate team to try to throw them off the game and learn all the secrets.

[3:28] Andrew: Oh an emotional catfish.

[3:31] Jess: So they fall in love, but like what like the it's still all about the tournament, and then he realizes that like hey, you're you were using me or whatever.

[3:43] Andrew: It's one of those stories, you know.

[3:45] Jess: Um yeah, it's one of those.

[3:48] Andrew: And then they have the second act breakup, and he's like, Oh, I'm doing worse than the catfishing tournament.

[3:55] Jess: But then he decides he's gonna focus on the catfishing tournament, and he that's all he cares about. Um and maybe he wins, but he realizes he's still not happy and he's he feels like he's missing something, and that's when he meets back up with with the person that he's fallen in love with.

[4:13] Andrew: Uh yeah, I'm in I'm into it.

[4:16] Jess: Um alright, so really the hardest catfish to catch is true love.

[4:25] Andrew: Um there's a bunch of ways to catch a catfish. It's not as I said earlier, there's not just one way where you just throw your bait in the water.

[4:35] Jess: I'm sure you'll get there, but that isn't the real way. So there's one way called jugging, um, where you throw bait in and then you um basically throw it in with like spray painter or some kind of bottle that let that is your bobber.

[4:49] Andrew: Um there's another one called liblining, where you literally just tie your line to a tree and wait. Rod and reel where you um really need a really long fishing line, um, and you need some really heavy duty hooks.

[5:07] Jess: Um, and then there's noodling where you use a pool noodle.

[5:10] Andrew: Wait, wait, wait. We get all these different methods.

[5:14] Jess: I know.

[5:14] Andrew: This is like this is like a bunch of different songs already.

[5:17] Jess: Exactly. What if what if you meet what if it's not like he meets one person and falls in love? What if it's like he's trying to get into catfishing and he meets a bunch of different people and he feels like he likes all of them and they're all their personalities are sort of like based around the type of catfishing that they do.

[5:37] Andrew: The method they use yeah. Kind of like a Ratatouille situation.

[5:42] Jess: The guy that ties it to a tree is just like super laid back and is like, yeah, just like I like catfish and I just kinda chill here, you know. And in the end he has to use all of them to catch his catfish which is bigger than all of theirs combined.

[5:58] Andrew: Oh man.

[5:59] Jess: But he also has to figure out which one he wants to have his mentor.

[6:03] Andrew: Have as his mentor which is kind of like the main romance story.

[6:09] Jess: It's more of an Obi-Wan situation and he gets catfished by an Obi-Wan that like is taken advantage of him and he should have stayed with the one we all knew was the good Obi-Wan and then he that one is okay can we can we agree the bad one has to be the pool noodle guy?

[6:23] Andrew: Oh yeah the noodle the noodler come on the noodler has to be the pool noodle actually no I'm I'm gonna argue differently because the noodle one is the cheapest one and that would be like the most homegrown one he would be the one that kind of does it out of love and all the other ones are like doing it because you know we got the money we got it and we got these corporate sponsors and he's like I do it because I know what I'm doing.

[6:44] Jess: You don't need no expensive hooks or nothing you just need a pool noodle I mean I can kinda see that but at the same time I just want the noodle guy to be the bad guy we'll workshop that.

[6:57] Andrew: We'll workshop that there's the argument for both sides.

[7:02] Jess: Well, let's let's let's see. We need we need to start the show somehow. What's this guy's name?

[7:06] Andrew: Like Jim Bob or No, I feel like he's like a raised in New York and then he moved to Missouri and he's just so excited.

[7:15] Jess: Okay.

[7:15] Andrew: Like So he's fish out of water.

[7:19] Jess: So okay, a catfish out of water. So he's um What's his name then?

[7:24] Andrew: His name is like uh Neve Shulman.

[7:27] Jess: Neve.

[7:28] Andrew: That was the guy from the catfish documentary.

[7:30] Jess: Neve Shulman.

[7:32] Andrew: Yeah, that was his name.

[7:34] Jess: Okay. Well, we can why don't we just change a couple of letters on that? How about Steve uh Buellman?

[7:39] Andrew: Let's just call him Ned.

[7:41] Jess: Ned is a good name.

[7:43] Andrew: Ned Flanders.

[7:47] Jess: No, no, no. Something Midwestern.

[7:50] Andrew: Um Ned Martinez.

[7:53] Jess: That's from New York.

[7:55] Andrew: I don't know. It's just a big city. Is this like a big city boy moves to the country and doesn't understand it?

[8:00] Jess: Or is he?

[8:01] Andrew: I think his parents were from the Midwest, and then he spent most of his life in a big city because they moved for work and now they're coming back home because, you know, the economy.

[8:12] Jess: Alright.

[8:13] Andrew: So so Ned Shulman.

[8:14] Jess: Yeah.

[8:15] Andrew: Ned Shulman.

[8:19] Jess: He comes back home and he's like excited because he's always kind of like been more of a country boy at heart.

[8:27] Andrew: Why does he want a catfish?

[8:30] Jess: Um, because that's what his grandpa used to do.

[8:33] Andrew: Uh, and he's like, I gotta get back to my roots.

[8:37] Jess: Yeah, like the okay, okay. The grandfather died, and then they get the house, and that's why they're coming back to Missouri.

[8:45] Andrew: And he sees some he sees some catfishing equipment, and he's interested, and he's like and then the old man that lived next door who used to catfish with grandpa all day, a little older. In fact, he's the one that taught grandpa how to do it, sees him and he's like a little grumpier.

[8:59] Jess: He's a little harsh and he's like, Oh, why don't you train me?

[9:03] Andrew: He's like, Yeah, you don't got it in ya.

[9:04] Jess: So he goes to like all the other folks.

[9:06] Andrew: You ain't got the spark, kid.

[9:08] Jess: A little bit.

[9:09] Andrew: A harsh, uh harsh, tough love kind of guy.

[9:14] Jess: And so he's like, I'm gonna try anyway, and he teaches himself and he keeps coming up, No no, no, you're doing it wrong, you little you little twerpy hold it like this.

[9:24] Andrew: Ah, you ain't done with that noodle and stuff. You got You got a limb line.

[9:30] Jess: I want him to like get involved in some sort of catfishing community.

[9:35] Andrew: Yes.

[9:36] Jess: And he meets up with different people to learn their methods.

[9:40] Andrew: Exactly.

[9:41] Jess: And the grandfather it's like Mean Girl situation where he takes them and he's like, You don't sit around that group.

[9:46] Andrew: That group is the bad ones.

[9:49] Jess: And the Thursdays they wear orange.

[9:56] Andrew: Yeah.

[9:57] Jess: So I don't know, what's what what are the methods again?

[10:01] Andrew: Like what do we have?

[10:01] Jess: Uh let me pull up the page. Sorry, I've been like searching through other things.

[10:05] Andrew: We have jugging.

[10:05] Jess: I know jugging was a good one.

[10:07] Andrew: Yeah, jugging is like where you use a jug as your marker instead of like a fishing loop bob.

[10:12] Jess: Okay, so what I picture with the jugging guy, we get a guy, his name his name's like uh, you know, Bobby Joe, Jim Bob, you know, southern name.

[10:21] Andrew: He's like a bigger guy, and he's in a jug band.

[10:21] Jess: Yeah.

[10:21] Andrew: He's in a jug band, but he also likes jugging for catfish.

[10:30] Jess: Yes, I love it. And he and he plays a jug band song about jugging for catfish, and and Ned, he's like, you know, I don't really I don't really know if this is for me.

[10:41] Andrew: He's like, it just it feels wrong.

[10:44] Jess: Like all everything this isn't the way I learned.

[10:48] Andrew: So but then we get a fun jug band song, you know.

[10:51] Jess: I feel like that's Act One has gotta be just learning these different methods and meeting these crazy characters and getting some fun songs.

[10:59] Andrew: Yeah, and it none of them are evil. Like they're all competitors, but none of them are really mean against each other.

[11:05] Jess: I don't want it to be a big thing.

[11:06] Andrew: No, they just they all think that their method's the best, and that's you know, that's that.

[11:10] Jess: Then you got the rod and reel, which is a real big energy one where you really show throw it off.

[11:15] Andrew: There's also one called yo-yoing, which I think is really fun.

[11:20] Jess: Okay.

[11:21] Andrew: So Rod and Reel sounds like it'd be expensive.

[11:23] Jess: It's just like you have to have good equipment.

[11:25] Andrew: You gotta have to be like a long rod. This is like a rich guy.

[11:27] Jess: Yeah.

[11:28] Andrew: This is like a rich guy, he's got like a a business suit and like a yacht, and he's like, Yeah, let's go catfishing.

[11:35] Jess: And he's like teaching 'em like the best way to do it is to do it for the money.

[11:39] Andrew: I catfish for the money.

[11:41] Jess: And then Ned's like, so if I wanted to use this method, which it looks pretty effective, uh, how much is this gonna cost?

[11:48] Andrew: And then he like whispers it in his ear and and then Ned's like Funny gag, you know, something like that.

[11:59] Jess: Um, and then okay, okay. Originally he's doing this 'cause he wants to uh uh alright, I got this. I figured out where the rest of this narrative goes.

[12:07] Andrew: So his next door neighbor, harsh at first, and then they grow together and throughout act one they teach each other a bunch of things.

[12:14] Jess: And then he they're about to do go uh catfishing together. That's their big thing. Like when they go on the catfishing tournament, they're about to go on the lake together.

[12:23] Andrew: But the night before he suffers a fall and he dies, the old man.

[12:29] Jess: And he's like, oh no.

[12:31] Andrew: No.

[12:31] Jess: And he has to take that's the end of Act One. He has to take on the catfishing tournament all by himself.

[12:37] Andrew: I don't want the old man to die from a fall.

[12:40] Jess: Can he just die peacefully?

[12:42] Andrew: Yeah, he dies peacefully.

[12:44] Jess: Um yeah, he's coming back to join his friend in the sky, his grandfather.

[12:50] Andrew: Yeah.

[12:51] Jess: And then yeah. And then he has to go up against all the other people we set up as super competent, super smart.

[12:58] Andrew: And in the end, he has to use the old man's ways and a little bit of everyone else's ways.

[13:02] Jess: And even though they all the other old men lose, oh, there's gotta be one lady.

[13:06] Andrew: Um the lady can be the yo-yoer.

[13:08] Jess: She's the older lady on the thing, and she's just a Yodeler.

[13:12] Andrew: Wait, how do you how do you yo-yo uh for a catfish?

[13:15] Jess: Uh it's like l basically like pulling it in and back in and letting it out really, really fast.

[13:21] Andrew: Oh, it's like fly fishing, though.

[13:23] Jess: Yeah, a little bit. You have to have a specific kind of kind of reel.

[13:27] Andrew: I want it to be a younger lady then. Can we get like a can we give you like a a Gen Zier and they're like yo-yoing?

[13:33] Jess: Yeah, I love it.

[13:36] Andrew: I don't know.

[13:38] Jess: Um I really want this to be I want it to be like super over the top.

[13:42] Andrew: Oh, yeah, this is not a subtle thing.

[13:44] Jess: These are like absurd caricatures based on the type of uh method they use for catfishing.

[13:50] Andrew: You know.

[13:52] Jess: Like I I don't want these to be like real people.

[13:54] Andrew: No, these are fake cartoon humans, but yeah, these are like cartoon characters.

[13:59] Jess: And I don't want there to be any romance between him and the yo-yo girl.

[14:02] Andrew: It's just like platonic friends, like no no no. They're just these are all they're all competitors, and he's only there to learn from these people.

[14:09] Jess: Yeah.

[14:10] Andrew: And she like is new to the school and she's like really excited because hey, there's gonna be someone you know at school when we get back in the fall, and that that kind of energy.

[14:20] Jess: Yeah. Like same age contemporary. But he has to use bits of everyone's stuff in the end.

[14:27] Andrew: So even though they lose the competition, they're just so darn proud that he was able to use their methods.

[14:36] Jess: So the second act is the competition, basically.

[14:42] Andrew: Do we kind of open with the old man dying basically, Act Two?

[14:47] Jess: Um, yes, we do.

[14:51] Andrew: Uh, and then he gets kind of emotional. He I think Act Two is like he considers giving up because he's like, "Man, I've never found my own method. I don't know how I'm gonna do it." And then he's gonna be a good thing. He finds a missing letter from his grandfather. And then he realizes that he doesn't need his own method. He already's got everything he needs already.

[15:11] Jess: Yes.

[15:11] Andrew: From everybody else. He's got the heart of a catfish. And then he wins the catfishing competition. However, however, you win a catfishing competition, I don't actually. I think the rich guy has to be the only one that is evil enough to kind of sabotage him.

[15:29] Jess: So he does something to sabotage, but he overcomes.

[15:32] Andrew: If we're beating like the narrative structure of what we need to do. The rich guy gets intimidated by how good he is. None of the other guys doing catfishing like the rich guy either, because the rich guy only does it for money. He doesn't like it. He doesn't do it for the heart of the sport. Everybody else does it for the heart of the sport. He just does it because he's like, "Man, this is easy, and I can buy really expensive gear. I look cool doing it, and it's great being the best."

[16:00] Jess: Yeah.

[16:01] Andrew: I mean, we all feel that way sometimes.

[16:07] Jess: So it wraps up. He's the winner, and everyone is there, proud of him, and he gives a speech dedicating it to both his grandfather and the old man that taught him all the best ways.

[16:20] Andrew: Missouri.

[16:25] Jess: Yeah. And I mean, I don't know how you end it, but I guess maybe all of the ones, everybody except for the bad guy, get together and just sing about how cool it is.

[16:37] Andrew: Yeah, they, I mean, I know how we end it. We end it with next year's catfishing competition. And everyone's using his way and coming up to him like there's a bunch of new kids interested, and you're like, "Huh, tell us your way, main lead character."

[16:52] Jess: Um, or Ned Shulman.

[16:56] Andrew: And he's like, "Man, I can't teach you my way without teaching you everyone else's way. You gotta figure that out for yourself, young man."

[17:05] Jess: Or woman.

[17:08] Andrew: And then he's the old or we could skip about sixty years in the future, and he's the old man teaching everyone the ways, but it's played by the same actor that played our old man.

[17:19] Jess: You know, like George Takei at the end of Allegiance.

[17:22] Andrew: Yeah, yeah, well, I can see it.

[17:24] Jess: I can see that. Um, I mean, overall, I think this is a very simple show. This is like the most simple like Ben Brantley would be like, "Well, I mean, it's f it it's competent, I guess."

[17:35] Andrew: Ben Brantley like, "I don't understand why I should care about catfishing. Catfishing is not something that anyone should care about."

[17:42] Jess: My guy, the podunk hicks. What do they think this is? Who do they think we are? This is Broadway.

[17:53] Andrew: Okay, but I think we get a variety of music styles here. You know, everything from like jug band music to like I feel like we could even throw in some like, you know, hip hop, country, everything.

[18:09] Jess: I agree. I feel like everyone has to have their own style. Like it's not just country music, but it does take place in Missouri.

[18:16] Andrew: And everyone calls it.

[18:17] Jess: Well, I don't want it to be country. I want it to be like bluegrass, yeah.

[18:22] Andrew: Bright Star.

[18:22] Jess: So we get Steve Martin.

[18:25] Andrew: Steve Martin's not involved.

[18:26] Jess: Steve Martin is not allowed to be involved in the bottom.

[18:28] Andrew: No, he plays the old man, the cranky old man.

[18:31] Jess: Okay, never mind. He can be involved.

[18:34] Andrew: But he has to write at least one song, and he plays the banjo himself. That's the only reason why I want to cast him.

[18:39] Jess: Is because he can play the banjo himself.

[18:41] Andrew: The old man gets the true bluegrass song.

[18:43] Jess: Yes, of course. I really want there to be a mix of music though, that everybody has their own style. And then maybe what we could do at the end is have kind of a genre combination.

[19:01] Andrew: Like he takes one thing from every style that we went through and kind of combine it in the end song.

[19:07] Jess: I love it. I love this. I love I want to see this musical because I feel like it would make me feel good. I feel like it's just a feel-good show.

[19:16] Andrew: It's just a show you'd watch and you'd be like, you know what? For some reason I like catfishing now, and that was just some fun, you know.

[19:29] Jess: Um alright, alright, alright. Uh so we agree Steve Martin's starring and doing the score.

[19:37] Andrew: Um Steve Martin gets top billing, but he's not the star.

[19:40] Jess: He's the old man's secondary character.

[19:42] Andrew: Yeah, he's like the George Takei.

[19:45] Jess: Yeah.

[19:46] Andrew: He can get top billing, but we find somebody who's more talented to play the lead.

[19:53] Jess: Um, yeah, I think we got a musical here is the sad thing.

[19:57] Andrew: I know we're only 20 minutes in, but I th I I want this.

[20:00] Jess: Um so what's the old man's name? Let's figure out names real quick.

[20:05] Andrew: Um the old man, he's lived in Missouri his whole life. Uh he's gotta have some sort of Missourian name.

[20:13] Jess: Uh I don't know. What about David?

[20:16] Andrew: Um David feels like a Missourian name. Old man David. Never learn his last name.

[20:24] Jess: Uh what about Davy?

[20:26] Andrew: I like old Davy, old man Davy.

[20:29] Jess: Yeah.

[20:31] Andrew: I'm into it.

[20:32] Jess: I love it.

[20:34] Andrew: Um, we got Ned Shulman.

[20:36] Jess: The girl.

[20:36] Andrew: Um, I feel like she should have like this really um I don't want to say androgynous, but kind of like Alex or something. Like something that could be both like um masculine and feminine, because I feel like she's being torn in both directions in a good way.

[20:53] Jess: Hmm.

[20:56] Andrew: Yeah. I'm trying to think of what that name could be.

[21:01] Jess: I guess Alex works fine.

[21:05] Andrew: We could we can use Alex, it's fine. Or even like uh Chuck, like one of those kind of names, like a girl called Chuck.

[21:13] Jess: Oh yeah.

[21:14] Andrew: I like that.

[21:15] Jess: I'm into that.

[21:18] Andrew: Okay.

[21:19] Jess: Um, alright.

[21:21] Andrew: And then for the other uh four versions, um the jug man, I imagine like Elliot or something.

[21:29] Jess: Uh Elliot is definitely a good name, yeah.

[21:31] Andrew: We can we can use Elliot.

[21:33] Jess: Um limb lining, um, that guy needs to be like calm as shit. He needs to be like a Garfield energy.

[21:40] Andrew: Lorenzo.

[21:44] Jess: Yeah, yeah.

[21:45] Andrew: Uh Lorenzo just sounds like uh Chill.

[21:49] Jess: I know you're stealing it from the Garfield voice actor.

[21:53] Andrew: But the name sounds like Chill AF.

[21:55] Jess: Hey, it doesn't matter where you get your things as long as you get them.

[21:59] Andrew: It's true.

[22:00] Jess: Um Rod and Reel. What about the um Rod and Reel Guy has to have like a New York City like stock broker name.

[22:08] Andrew: Um like uh a Kevin.

[22:13] Jess: Uh what about Chad?

[22:16] Andrew: I like uh Chad feels too easy.

[22:18] Jess: Um Brad?

[22:19] Andrew: Brad, that's better.

[22:22] Jess: Hi, I'm Brad. I got a speedboat. Let's go catfishing.

[22:26] Andrew: Brad. Get in my speedboat.

[22:28] Jess: Then the noodler. The noodler needs to be like a gruff and tumble kind of works with like five dollars and nothing else kind of guy.

[22:38] Andrew: Yeah.

[22:39] Jess: How about uh how about Harper?

[22:41] Andrew: No, no, Sparky, some kind of like nickname type name.

[22:46] Jess: Uh scruffy.

[22:50] Andrew: Uh Scruffy is too stereotypical.

[22:54] Jess: But something like that.

[22:57] Andrew: Uh I got nothing.

[23:04] Jess: What if they just call him Griff?

[23:07] Andrew: Griff? Isn't Griff a real name though?

[23:10] Jess: I mean, yeah, but that could that's more likely gonna be a nickname.

[23:14] Andrew: Alright, we can use Griff.

[23:16] Jess: Like he has a real name, but they call him Griff.

[23:19] Andrew: Sure.

[23:20] Jess: Alright, and we got all those characters. They got their own s I don't even see this as being a two-act musical, honestly. It's like a cute one act.

[23:25] Andrew: Like a very well executed one act, like Come From Away.

[23:31] Jess: I'm kind of feeling like this would have Come From Away energy.

[23:35] Andrew: I mean, that's what we're going for, isn't it? Like, there's probably not as dark an emotional through line as Come From Away, but it works.

[23:44] Jess: I mean, it's got an emotional through line. Obviously, there's no like uh like 9-11 type stuff going on.

[23:55] Andrew: But, you know, we got an emotional through line. With his relationship with the old man and his like former relationship with his grandfather and all that.

[24:03] Jess: I imagine his grandfather's like a Gusteau presence in his life, like Ratatouille.

[24:10] Andrew: I don't want him to be a character though.

[24:11] Jess: I think photos of him.

[24:14] Andrew: He can like have pictures of him and stuff, but I don't want him to like talk at all.

[24:18] Jess: I don't ag either. I think a letter at the end maybe, and that's as much. Like he has to have like this presence that you feel, but you never see him.

[24:27] Andrew: I'm down for that.

[24:29] Jess: Now who would uh who would write?

[24:31] Andrew: Um we just I we know Steve Martin's doing the music and playing the old man.

[24:37] Jess: Um I don't who oh I think Janine Tesori would do a very good job since she did great with Violet.

[24:47] Andrew: True.

[24:48] Jess: Violet is a good one. But I want I I want that feel of Come From Away, and those guys really nailed that style.

[24:57] Andrew: Um let's just get them all involved. We get the people from Violet, the Steve Martin guys from Come From Away.

[25:04] Jess: They all come all together.

[25:06] Andrew: Irene Sankoff would and her husband David Hein.

[25:09] Jess: Um they would be who I'd choose.

[25:12] Andrew: I mean come on. It's a catfishing show.

[25:21] Jess: Man, is it based on anything?

[25:23] Andrew: No, not even a little bit.

[25:26] Jess: It's based on catfishing.

[25:28] Andrew: The movie, the documentary, it's about like that?

[25:31] Jess: No.

[25:32] Andrew: Like literal catfishing.

[25:34] Jess: Well, you know what we need to do though? There has to be a scene. There's gotta be a nightmare scene where we like see like demon catfish coming after him.

[25:42] Andrew: Like that has to be like a thing that happens in there.

[25:47] Jess: Or you get to have all these catfish puppets coming at you.

[25:53] Andrew: Yeah.

[25:55] Jess: I think I mean like after his first night of training, and he's just like, "I don't know what method I should use," and he like is then a bunch of catfish start attacking him and we were gonna be able to do that.

[26:06] Andrew: You just have the catfish catfish nightmare.

[26:10] Jess: Exactly. Spooky catfish hell dream.

[26:14] Andrew: Okay.

[26:15] Jess: I'm fine with it, although I was th I was really picturing the set being like super minimal.

[26:20] Andrew: So was I.

[26:20] Jess: I was expecting I was expecting these to be like on sticks and all that, and like just minimal I gets the idea across.

[26:28] Andrew: You know?

[26:29] Jess: Get the idea of the catfish nightmare, but don't you don't have to go over the top.

[26:34] Andrew: No, no, no, no. It doesn't have to look it doesn't have to look like The Lion King.

[26:37] Jess: No.

[26:38] Andrew: Or even like Spooky Mormon Hell Dream.

[26:43] Jess: It doesn't have to be that intense either.

[26:45] Andrew: I think we got a musical as a sad thing.

[26:47] Jess: I want to see this.

[26:49] Andrew: I feel like this is another pretty good one where we just This is a subject we knew nothing about, and somehow we managed to make it something that I think is interesting.

[26:58] Jess: Yeah, that's a sad thing.

[26:59] Andrew: Like, even on premise alone, I was like, what? Who would make this? And now I'm like, I kinda wanna see this.

[27:06] Jess: Yeah, I mean that's the unexpected joy of this show.

[27:10] Andrew: I'm down.

[27:13] Jess: Um, alright.

[27:14] Andrew: Um there we go.

[27:15] Jess: Andrew, we did it.

[27:16] Andrew: We made a musical.

[27:18] Jess: We have created the world's first catfishing musical.

[27:23] Andrew: But not about that kind of catfishing.

[27:25] Jess: You know, the obvious one we're not doing.

[27:29] Andrew: The obvious one is too boring, I think.

[27:31] Jess: It's just like, yeah, I agree.

[27:32] Andrew: You know what that show is already.

[27:34] Jess: You've seen it in your head.

[27:36] Andrew: I also feel like it would be very easy for that show to be ridiculously problematic.

[27:41] Jess: So cringe.

[27:43] Andrew: Extreme cringe, yes.

[27:46] Jess: I mean it already it feels like, you know, setting people up for failure.

[27:52] Andrew: Watching the show now is like the most depressing thing of the world.

[27:56] Jess: Yeah.

[27:57] Andrew: So instead, we did an uplifting wholesome show about catfishing.

[28:03] Jess: The sport of catfishing.

[28:05] Andrew: I don't even know if people do it for sport.

[28:08] Jess: Like, if you got a fish that wasn't a catfish, do you fucking get disqualified?

[28:13] Andrew: I don't know.

[28:15] Jess: It's a sport now though.

[28:17] Andrew: We made it one for the concept of this stupid musical.

[28:20] Jess: Alrighty guys, what did you think of this musical? What do you want us to make into a next musical? Let us know.

[28:26] Andrew: But we'll see you next week probably on Make Me a Musical.

[28:30] Jess: Cue of the music.

[28:34] Andrew: I forget what song we use for this one.

[28:39] Jess: There we are.