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[0:00] ♪ Musical number: "All Star" — performed by Smash Mouth ♪

[0:22] Jess: Hello, our wonderful patrons, and welcome to a new episode of Patreon with Cheese, including a brand new series that we're covering.

[0:30] Andrew DeWolf: I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, Andrew, the Wolf DeWolf.

[0:33] Jess: Hello. Welcome to the show, everyone. We're so happy to be here.

[0:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, and I only have one thing to say.

[0:41] Jess: And what's that?

[0:42] Andrew DeWolf: Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me because I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[0:50] Jess: She was looking kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb in the shape of an L on her forehead.

[0:53] Andrew DeWolf: What?

[0:54] Jess: You have a deep love and appreciation for Smash Mouth.

[0:57] Andrew DeWolf: Like, one of the first jokes you ever made on Musicals with Cheese when we were doing that live stream was comparing Bette Midler to the lead singer of Smash Mouth.

[1:06] Jess: May he rip in peace.

[1:08] Andrew DeWolf: How many times have you rewatched that OG episode?

[1:11] Jess: Not very, but I do remember that.

[1:13] Andrew DeWolf: You remember the Smash Mouth joke? I don't even remember the Smash Mouth joke.

[1:17] Jess: I made a point that Bette Midler did not know how to remember lines and just started riffing at certain points, and you said, you know who else does that? The lead singer of Smash Mouth.

[1:26] Andrew DeWolf: It's true. So, I mean, artists think alike, you know?

[1:30] Jess: I mean, Bette Midler, artists from Smash Mouth, they're all the same.

[1:34] Andrew DeWolf: Is Bette Midler still alive?

[1:37] Jess: Yes.

[1:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, well, the lead singer from Smash Mouth is not.

[1:40] Jess: Not to change the subject right away, but that is kind of the point of this Patreon.

[1:44] Andrew DeWolf: Did you see the Gene Hackman news?

[1:46] Jess: I did. I did.

[1:48] Andrew DeWolf: Like, did you just see, oh, 95-year-old man dies?

[1:51] Jess: That's most of what I saw, yeah. Did something happen?

[1:54] Andrew DeWolf: Yes. The police come, they find not only dead 95-year-old Gene Hackman, his wife and dog also dead. All of them have been there a while.

[2:04] Jess: His wife was described as mummified.

[2:07] Andrew DeWolf: And it's definitely sus.

[2:10] Jess: Like, everyone's like, okay, this is a weird situation we got here.

[2:15] Andrew DeWolf: And everyone assumed carbon monoxide, right?

[2:18] Jess: No CO2 in them. No CO2 in their lungs or in their...

[2:21] Andrew DeWolf: So what the fuck happened?

[2:23] Jess: Did he do something? He's 95. Could he have even done anything?

[2:27] Andrew DeWolf: I agree. But he's also dead.

[2:29] Jess: I mean, I guess it's not impossible.

[2:31] Andrew DeWolf: But yeah, I mean, that's not uncommon, though. Like, you know, you kill your whole family and then yourself.

[2:35] Jess: Have you seen how he was looking, though? Like, he was not looking great.

[2:39] Andrew DeWolf: Sorry, guys, we got like...

[2:41] Jess: Don't show dead bodies on here.

[2:43] Andrew DeWolf: It's not a dead body, but I mean, he was pretty close.

[2:46] Jess: Like, if you look at what this man looked like in his final days, and he's been, like, people caught him in camera footage, like, getting cigarettes. Like, that's his, the most recent photo of him from March of last year.

[2:59] Andrew DeWolf: I don't imagine this was a thing he chose to do.

[3:02] Jess: I mean, even if he did choose to, I feel like his wife would have beat the shit out of him pretty easily.

[3:06] Andrew DeWolf: So what I'm saying is, that's a fucked up thing, and they have not ruled out foul play, which, I don't know, that's just an interesting thing.

[3:15] Jess: The mummified description is interesting. I'm not really sure what you even mean by that, but...

[3:20] Andrew DeWolf: I did not either. I had to ask someone smarter than me, so I asked my girlfriend, and she said that just basically means they've been sitting so long, all the fluids have kind of ejected from them.

[3:29] Jess: What the fuck?

[3:31] Andrew DeWolf: I know. Which kind of ties into Chris Farley of it all.

[3:36] Jess: So, Shrek. We're talking about Shrek.

[3:38] Andrew DeWolf: We're talking about Shrek, and we swear this is not going to be like the time Red Letter Media talked about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

[3:46] Jess: No, no, no. I mean, our Patreon listeners are kind of used to immediate tangents, like, Liz and I covered all of Schmigadoon, I think we talked about Schmigadoon for about 15 minutes in those.

[3:55] Andrew DeWolf: We always got off topic onto horror films somehow.

[4:00] Jess: Tangents are what we're known for, or what we do.

[4:04] Andrew DeWolf: We're a step bit away from that more in the rebrand, thankfully, because we think we actually want to talk about it.

[4:09] Jess: In the real show, we stepped away.

[4:11] Andrew DeWolf: But, you know, this tangent about tangents has gone on long enough, so...

[4:15] Jess: So, Shrek is a film released in 2001, starring Mike Myers and Matt Diaz.

[4:20] Andrew DeWolf: You know what else happened in 2001, just like, thinking about it?

[4:23] Jess: I don't know, what?

[4:26] Andrew DeWolf: Spy Kids 2 was released, I believe? Or was that 2002?

[4:30] Jess: I think that was 2002. Spy Kids 1 was released in 2001, Spy Kids 2 in 2002, Spy Kids 3 in 2003.

[4:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. So, Shrek.

[4:39] Jess: So, Shrek. Eddie Murphy, Cameron Diaz, John Lithgow.

[4:42] Andrew DeWolf: I remember the marketing campaign like it was yesterday.

[4:45] Jess: I remember seeing this film in theaters like it was yesterday.

[4:48] Andrew DeWolf: You could not escape this marketing campaign.

[4:51] Jess: It was, like, everywhere. Everyone was fucking carving the Shrek S with the ogre ears on their foreheads. Like, it was a wild time.

[4:59] Andrew DeWolf: Shrek is... Is Shrek, like, the most iconic, like, modern character?

[5:05] Jess: You know, like, a character created in the last, you know, 30 years.

[5:09] Andrew DeWolf: I'm arguing the Minion from Minions.

[5:11] Jess: Oh, you know, okay, okay.

[5:13] Andrew DeWolf: I think Shrek is more iconic, but I think they're in competition.

[5:17] Jess: There's, like, a language barrier that the Minions transcends that Shrek doesn't, if that makes sense.

[5:24] Andrew DeWolf: That's true. Shrek in the English-speaking world is probably pretty big, but Minions is probably big everywhere.

[5:30] Jess: Yeah. Which is why it's so weird that Illumination Universal is running DreamWorks now.

[5:36] Andrew DeWolf: But back in these days, it was a scrappy company run by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen trying to set themselves apart from the other studios, specifically Disney, where Jeffrey Katzenberg was fired for trying to encroach into a dead man's role, and other reasons.

[5:56] Jess: Now, the people that made this movie don't have to be good people for the movie to be good, right?

[6:01] Andrew DeWolf: I would say most of the directors and writers of this movie are perfectly fine people. Like, they're talented individuals that have a great attitude and vibe.

[6:11] Jess: But I don't really want to talk about that.

[6:14] Andrew DeWolf: So, did you see this in theaters?

[6:17] Jess: I don't think so. I don't think so.

[6:19] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, you were not in the year of Shrek. You were not linking into that.

[6:23] Jess: I want to say I didn't. I want to say we saw the Pixar movie that came out, which I'm just guessing.

[6:30] Andrew DeWolf: That was Monsters, Inc.

[6:32] Jess: Monsters, Inc. Yeah, I think we saw that. I don't think we saw Shrek in theaters.

[6:36] Andrew DeWolf: So, Shrek came out in the summer. Monsters, Inc. came out in November, which is wild to me.

[6:41] Jess: So, Shrek was the first film to win Best Animated Feature Ever.

[6:47] Andrew DeWolf: I think it deserved it.

[6:49] Jess: Do you think it's better than Monsters, Inc.?

[6:51] Andrew DeWolf: Honestly, that's tough.

[6:53] Jess: Yeah, I know.

[6:54] Andrew DeWolf: It's stiff competition, but I'm going to say yes.

[6:57] Jess: I think Shrek did something that the others hadn't done yet.

[7:02] Andrew DeWolf: Disney even recognized it because then they had to go and make Emperor's New Groove and that type of shit to try to get some of the Shrek back, you know?

[7:11] Jess: Yes, I get it.

[7:13] Andrew DeWolf: But Shrek defined what DreamWorks was for a while, and while Shrek the movie itself is good, fine, clean entertainment, what it inspired, I resent quite a bit.

[7:24] Jess: Without Shrek, we wouldn't have Chicken Little or Shark Tale.

[7:28] Andrew DeWolf: Shrek killed cinema for a little while.

[7:30] Jess: It killed animated cinema.

[7:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, animated. I should be specific.

[7:35] Jess: It didn't affect much else.

[7:37] Andrew DeWolf: But at the same time, it's still weird because it's a good movie.

[7:42] Jess: You can't really be like, oh man, Shrek is that movie that I hate because it ruined everything.

[7:49] Andrew DeWolf: No, it's kind of fine, though.

[7:52] Jess: The movie's good.

[7:54] Andrew DeWolf: It inspired these companies to make trash.

[7:58] Jess: Shark Tale's dog shit, and I've seen it so many times.

[8:03] Andrew DeWolf: I saw Shark Tale once in theaters, and I think that was enough for me.

[8:09] Jess: I think I saw it in theaters, and then we had a DVD copy, and it was one of the movies that got stuck in the DVD player in the car.

[8:14] Andrew DeWolf: So you just always had to watch Shrek?

[8:16] Jess: No, not Shrek.

[8:17] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, Shark Tale.

[8:18] Jess: Yeah, so we just had Shark Tale on all the time.

[8:20] Andrew DeWolf: I thought the Car Wash song was from that movie, you know?

[8:25] Jess: I will say, Shrek has two directors.

[8:30] Andrew DeWolf: One of them would go on to direct Shark Tale.

[8:32] Jess: And they fucked it up.

[8:34] Andrew DeWolf: It's no Shrek. It's no Shrek.

[8:37] Jess: And the wackiest thing is, okay, remember how I said the directors of this movie are probably fine? Maybe not.

[8:43] Andrew DeWolf: So she went on to direct Shark Tale and Post Grad, a 2009 movie that does not exist.

[8:49] Jess: I've seen it. It does not exist.

[8:51] Andrew DeWolf: How do you mean?

[8:52] Jess: It means it has left no cultural legacy, so much that no one remembers that it even exists.

[8:57] Andrew DeWolf: I even, as a person who has seen it, say this movie has no existence.

[9:01] Jess: It's been a memory hold.

[9:03] Andrew DeWolf: From 2009 to 2023, she did not direct anything. She returns to directing animation for a film called Spellbound.

[9:11] Jess: Do you know anything about this?

[9:13] Andrew DeWolf: Hang on, it sounds familiar.

[9:15] Jess: Let me look it up.

[9:17] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think it'll help you much.

[9:19] Jess: Let's see.

[9:20] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, this is Alfred Hitchcock. Never mind.

[9:22] Jess: Oh, yeah, no, I don't.

[9:24] Andrew DeWolf: This is the Netflix?

[9:25] Jess: Yes, but it was John Lasseter, Lotso Huggin' Bear, man who could not take no and got ousted for Disney for touching people too much.

[9:35] Andrew DeWolf: Nice.

[9:36] Jess: His big directorial and producorial return to animated children's fair, and she was the director.

[9:41] Andrew DeWolf: So really star-studded.

[9:45] Jess: You had the Shrek, one of the Shrek directors.

[9:47] Andrew DeWolf: The director and Toy Story.

[9:49] Jess: Yeah.

[9:50] Andrew DeWolf: Who would have...

[9:51] Jess: This looks like shit.

[9:52] Andrew DeWolf: It is. It is bad.

[9:53] Jess: I haven't seen it, but it looks like shit.

[9:55] Andrew DeWolf: Do you know... Here's a fun fact for you. Did you know that Shrek played at the Cannes Film Festival?

[10:03] Jess: Cannes Film Festival?

[10:05] Andrew DeWolf: It is one of the most prestigious film festivals in France, in the world, really, and it fucking did gangbusters.

[10:14] Jess: This film about farts and earwax and all that other shit really did gangbusters.

[10:20] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, it's a good movie.

[10:22] Jess: It's a pretty good movie.

[10:24] Andrew DeWolf: Do you know the history of basically the other person that was meant to be Shrek?

[10:29] Jess: Okay, yes. I've seen the scenes that they had.

[10:33] Andrew DeWolf: They still have his voiceover, at least some of it.

[10:36] Jess: So I've seen that.

[10:38] Andrew DeWolf: Chris Farley.

[10:39] Jess: What do you think about it in comparison?

[10:41] Andrew DeWolf: I'm sure there are some Chris Farley fanboys that would be like, oh man, Shrek would be so much better, but no.

[10:47] Jess: I think Mike Myers made Shrek in a way.

[10:50] Andrew DeWolf: I don't even think it's so to say that Mike Myers should be Shrek, because have you heard Canadian Shrek?

[10:58] Jess: Let's play it for the crowd here.

[11:00] Andrew DeWolf: What was that?

[11:01] Jess: So before Mike Myers did the Scottish take on Shrek, he did just his normal Canadian accent, and it is wacky.

[11:08] Andrew DeWolf: This is my swamp.

[11:09] Jess: Our swamp.

[11:10] Andrew DeWolf: Let go, donkey.

[11:11] Jess: You let go.

[11:12] Andrew DeWolf: Stubborn jackass.

[11:13] Jess: Melioga.

[11:14] Andrew DeWolf: Fine.

[11:15] Jess: That's awful.

[11:16] Andrew DeWolf: I hate it.

[11:17] Jess: This is our swamp.

[11:18] Andrew DeWolf: Our swamp.

[11:19] Jess: Let go, donkey.

[11:20] Andrew DeWolf: Like, it feels uncanny valley.

[11:21] Jess: Stubborn jackass.

[11:22] Andrew DeWolf: Melioga.

[11:23] Jess: It's like almost Shrek.

[11:24] Andrew DeWolf: It's weird.

[11:25] Jess: It's like, hmm.

[11:26] Andrew DeWolf: That's your half, and this is my half.

[11:27] Jess: Wacky.

[11:28] Andrew DeWolf: Parfaits are delicious.

[11:29] Jess: No!

[11:30] Andrew DeWolf: You dance irritating.

[11:31] Jess: You say, hey, let's get some parfaits.

[11:33] Andrew DeWolf: They say, hey, I'm not.

[11:34] Jess: It is crazy how much of this decision made the movie.

[11:38] Andrew DeWolf: And it cost a lot of money for him to re-dub it, apparently.

[11:42] Jess: He made the decision after doing 70% of the film.

[11:46] Andrew DeWolf: Like, yeah, yeah, no, this doesn't work.

[11:48] Jess: And he has to be Scottish.

[11:50] Andrew DeWolf: You got to give Mike Myers credit for recognizing that, though, because I think a lot of actors would have just finished it and been like, well, that's what they told me to do.

[11:59] Jess: Welcome to our Patreon preview of the Shrek series!

[12:29] Andrew: I can't believe we're finally doing Shrek.

[12:59] Jess: It's such a classic!

[13:29] Andrew: I mean, who doesn't love a good ogre story?

[13:59] Jess: Exactly! And the music is just so catchy.

[14:29] Andrew: Right? I remember singing "All Star" back in the day.

[14:59] Jess: That song is iconic!

[15:29] Andrew: And the animation was groundbreaking for its time.

[15:31] Jess: It really was!

[15:33] Andrew: Plus, the humor is so clever.

[15:35] Jess: Absolutely! It appeals to both kids and adults.

[15:37] Andrew: I love how it subverts fairy tale tropes.

[15:41] Jess: Yes! It really turns the genre on its head.

[15:43] Andrew: And the characters are so memorable.

[15:45] Jess: Donkey is one of my favorites!

[15:47] Andrew: Eddie Murphy really brought him to life.

[15:51] Jess: He did! And Shrek himself is such a complex character.

[15:53] Andrew: For sure! He's not just a grumpy ogre.

[15:55] Jess: There's so much depth to him.

[16:05] Andrew: And Fiona is such a strong female lead.

[16:13] Jess: Definitely! She breaks the mold of the typical princess.

[16:23] Andrew: I appreciate that so much.

[16:33] Jess: It's a great message for kids.

[16:43] Andrew: And the soundtrack is just fantastic.

[16:53] Jess: I can't wait to dive into the songs!

[17:03] Andrew: Same here!

[17:13] Jess: We'll be discussing all the musical numbers in detail.

[17:23] Andrew: I hope we get to talk about "I’m a Believer."

[17:33] Jess: Oh, we definitely will!

[17:43] Andrew: That song always gets stuck in my head.

[17:53] Jess: It's so catchy!

[18:03] Andrew: I can't wait for everyone to hear our thoughts.

[18:13] Jess: It's going to be a fun series!

[18:23] Andrew: Absolutely!

[18:33] Jess: So, if you want to hear the full episodes, make sure to check out our Patreon.

[18:43] Andrew: You won't want to miss it!

[18:53] Jess: Thanks for tuning in to this preview!

[19:03] Andrew: See you on Patreon!

[19:13] Jess: Bye!

[19:23] Andrew: Bye!

[19:33] Jess: ♪ Musical number: "All Star" — performed by Smash Mouth ♪

[19:43] Andrew: That song always brings back memories.

[19:53] Jess: It really does!

[20:03] Andrew: I remember the first time I saw the movie.

[20:13] Jess: Same here!

[20:23] Andrew: It was such a game-changer for animated films.

[20:33] Jess: It really set a new standard.

[20:43] Andrew: And the humor was just on another level.

[20:53] Jess: Totally!

[21:03] Andrew: I love how it appeals to all ages.

[21:13] Jess: Yes! It's perfect for family movie nights.

[21:23] Andrew: And the pop culture references are hilarious.

[21:33] Jess: They really add to the charm of the film.

[21:43] Andrew: I can't wait to explore all of this in our episodes.

[21:53] Jess: It's going to be a blast!

[22:03] Andrew: Thanks for listening, everyone!

[22:13] Jess: See you soon!

[22:23] Andrew: Bye!

[22:33] Jess: Bye!

[22:43] Andrew: ♪ Musical number: "I’m a Believer" — performed by Smash Mouth ♪

[22:53] Jess: That song is just perfect for the movie.

[23:03] Andrew: It really captures the spirit of Shrek!

[23:13] Jess: Thanks for joining us for this preview!

[23:23] Andrew: See you on Patreon!

[23:33] Jess: Bye!

[23:43] Andrew: Bye!

[23:53] Jess: ♪ Musical number ♪