Interdisciplinary Artist, Actor/Creator, and Educator Catherine Mueller shares her experiences with the dark side, her love of clown, her journey founding The MAMAs / Mother Artists Making Art and The PAMAS / Pregnant Artists Making Art (www.motherartistsmakingart.com) in 2020 to foreground the value and visibility of Mother+Artists. She also established The Institute for Collaboration and Play (www.ifcap.org) in 2014 as an action-think tank for performers and humans interested in play-based creative practice. Thank you, Catherine!