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[0:00] Cheryl Benton: Welcome to The Drama Book Show! I'm your moderator, Cheryl Benton, and today we have a very special guest with us, actress, model, and television personality Patricia Kara.

[0:15] Patricia Kara: Thank you so much for having me, Cheryl! I'm excited to be here.

[0:36] Cheryl Benton: We're thrilled to have you. You have a new book out titled "Dream On…Now Deliver." Can you tell us a little bit about what inspired you to write this book?

[1:01] Patricia Kara: Absolutely! After over thirty years in the entertainment industry, I wanted to share my journey and the lessons I've learned along the way. I think it's important for aspiring entertainers to have insights into breaking into show business, building a personal brand, and navigating auditions.

[1:29] Cheryl Benton: That's fantastic. You have such a rich background, especially with your iconic work on all three versions of "Deal or No Deal." How did that experience shape your career?

[1:55] Patricia Kara: Working on "Deal or No Deal" was a pivotal moment for me. It taught me so much about being in front of the camera, connecting with the audience, and the importance of resilience in this industry.

[2:25] Cheryl Benton: Resilience is such a key theme in your book. Can you share a specific moment when you had to demonstrate resilience in your career?

[2:51] Patricia Kara: Sure! There was a time when I faced a lot of rejection during auditions. It was tough, but I learned to keep pushing forward and to not take it personally. Each "no" brought me closer to the right opportunity.

[3:17] Cheryl Benton: That's such a valuable lesson. You also emphasize the power of mentorship in your book. Can you talk about how mentorship has played a role in your journey?

[3:43] Patricia Kara: Mentorship has been crucial for me. I've been fortunate to have mentors who guided me, offered advice, and helped me navigate the complexities of the industry. I believe it's important to pay that forward and support others as well.

[4:11] Cheryl Benton: Absolutely. It's all about lifting each other up. What advice do you have for someone who is just starting out in the entertainment industry?

[4:41] Patricia Kara: My advice would be to stay true to yourself, work hard, and be open to learning. The journey can be challenging, but if you remain authentic and dedicated, you'll find your path.

[5:07] Cheryl Benton: That's wonderful advice. I'm sure our listeners will appreciate that. Can you tell us a bit more about what readers can expect from "Dream On…Now Deliver"?

[5:37] Patricia Kara: Readers can expect a mix of personal stories, practical tips, and a lot of humor. I wanted to create a book that not only inspires but also provides actionable advice for anyone chasing their dreams.

[6:05] Cheryl Benton: It sounds like a must-read for aspiring performers! Thank you so much for sharing your insights with us today, Patricia.

[6:33] Patricia Kara: Thank you for having me, Cheryl! It's been a pleasure.

[6:59] Cheryl Benton: And thank you to our audience for joining us today on The Drama Book Show! Be sure to check out Patricia's book, "Dream On…Now Deliver," and follow us for more exciting conversations in the world of theater.

[13:26] Cheryl Benton: Welcome back to The Drama Book Show! I'm your moderator, Cheryl Benton, and today we have a fantastic guest with us, Patricia Kara. Patricia is an actress, model, and television personality, best known for her work on all three versions of Deal or No Deal. She's here to discuss her new book, Dream On…Now Deliver. Patricia, thank you for joining us!

[13:56] Patricia Kara: Thank you for having me, Cheryl! I'm excited to be here and share my journey with everyone.

[14:26] Cheryl Benton: Let's dive right in. Your book is filled with insights from your thirty years in the entertainment industry. What inspired you to write it?

[14:56] Patricia Kara: Well, I wanted to share my experiences and the lessons I've learned along the way. I believe that many aspiring entertainers can benefit from understanding the realities of the industry, and I hope my stories can inspire them to keep pushing forward.

[15:26] Cheryl Benton: That's wonderful! You talk about resilience and hard work in your book. Can you share a moment from your career that really tested your resilience?

[15:56] Patricia Kara: Absolutely. There was a time when I faced a lot of rejection during auditions. It was tough, but I learned to view each rejection as a stepping stone rather than a setback. One particular audition stands out; I went in feeling confident, but I didn't get the part. Instead of giving up, I used that experience to improve and refine my craft.

[16:26] Cheryl Benton: That's such a great perspective. How did you manage to stay motivated during those challenging times?

[16:56] Patricia Kara: I surrounded myself with supportive people, including mentors who guided me. Having a strong support system made a huge difference. I also focused on my passion for performing and reminded myself why I started in the first place.

[17:26] Cheryl Benton: Mentorship is a key theme in your book. Can you tell us about a mentor who had a significant impact on your career?

[17:56] Patricia Kara: One of my mentors was a casting director who believed in me early on. She took the time to give me feedback and helped me understand what I needed to work on. Her encouragement was invaluable, and it taught me the importance of giving back and mentoring others as well.

[18:26] Cheryl Benton: That's beautiful. Speaking of giving back, how do you think your experiences can help the next generation of performers?

[18:56] Patricia Kara: I hope to provide them with practical advice and real-life stories that resonate. I want them to know that it's okay to struggle and that success doesn't come overnight. With hard work, perseverance, and the right mindset, they can achieve their dreams.

[19:26] Cheryl Benton: That's such an important message. Your journey from an aspiring teen to a seasoned performer is inspiring. What advice would you give to someone just starting out in the industry?

[19:56] Patricia Kara: I would say to stay true to yourself and your passion. Don't compare your journey to others; everyone has their own path. Also, be open to learning and growing. The industry is constantly evolving, and adaptability is key.

[20:26] Cheryl Benton: Great advice! As we wrap up, what do you hope readers take away from Dream On…Now Deliver?

[20:56] Patricia Kara: I hope they feel empowered and inspired to chase their dreams, no matter the obstacles they face. I want them to know that their journey is valid and that they have the strength to overcome challenges.

[21:26] Cheryl Benton: Thank you so much, Patricia, for sharing your insights and experiences with us today. It's been a pleasure having you on The Drama Book Show!

[21:56] Patricia Kara: Thank you, Cheryl! I've enjoyed our conversation and appreciate the opportunity to share my story.

[22:26] Cheryl Benton: And to our audience, thank you for tuning in. Be sure to check out Patricia's book, Dream On…Now Deliver, and join us next time for more inspiring stories from the world of theater.

[26:52] Patricia Kara: We weren't told what it was. We had no idea. It was very top secret. It was funny enough, the agency that called me for it wasn't my modeling agent. It was my hosting agent who, funny enough, was my New York agent. My LA agents never called me for it. It was my New York agent who said, there's this co-hosting thing, but I don't know much about it, but here are the details. I was like, great, I'm in. To me, every opportunity is an opportunity. You don't know what it is until you get there and you go through it. If it's not worthwhile, you'll find out, but it could be worthwhile. It was my last audition of the day. I went. Usually, when you go to an audition, there are other people that are similar to you.

It's usually a casting call where everybody looks the same. It was just me and another girl. I thought, we look nothing alike. What is this? Didn't get that answer. Didn't know, but I got a callback. Usually, a callback, there are less people. The callback, there were hundreds of girls. I was like, what is happening? Is this a model's reality show? What's going on here? I thought, I'm here. I'm going to find out what this is. Again, every opportunity is an opportunity. I sat it out. The audition was longer, the wait time. Usually, a callback could be an hour wait. This was hours later and we're still hanging out. One of my girlfriends who actually was there left. Afterwards, we talked. She said, I so regret leaving because she was tired of the wait and didn't know what it was.

We didn't find out until later in time. Obviously, until I was on set, I got the call. Out of the hundreds of girls, there were 28 of us that were booked for this job. We were on set and they said, okay, this is what it is. It's a game show. Howie Mandel is the host. I was like, Howie Mandel? I grew up on Howie Mandel. The big curly hair, the rubber glove over his head. This is great. A lot of the girls that I was working with did not know who Howie Mandel was. I'm like, oh, you're in for a treat. He's funny. We're good. The great thing is I thought it was a few days of work. That's usually how it works in the industry. It's a few days here, a few days there. This ended up being four years of my life at that time for the original show.

Four years, four seasons. Every couple weeks, we would get a phone call. Are you available these dates? It wasn't like, oh, you're going to work the next four years or this year or next year and the following. It was every two weeks, we get another call. It was the best. I was like, this is great. I'm so glad I never gave up or quit or second guess. I'm so glad I just went in and just looked at, hey, I'm here. Let's see what this is about because it ended up being the best thing ever. It changed my life. This year is the 20 year anniversary of the original show, so it was pretty cool to be part of it and still be connected to it.

[29:48] Cheryl Benton: I know in a couple of stories I know that you have in your book, one point in there that really stuck out to me was when you talk about when the show would go to commercial break, so you'd have a little break in between sets and all the other girls would go backstage to relax. Patricia stayed out on the stage and talked to the audience the whole time. Those are great times. She said that was some of her best times. I think that was so great to hear. Another thing we have to mention, because I'd be remiss, we have to bring it up. There was actually one season when another briefcase model whose name then was Megan Markle, who now goes by Megan Sussex, was on the show. Just heard about that. Not long ago she was doing a podcast and suddenly the topic of that came up and she talked about feeling objectified and she made all these very negative comments about the show. I know that there was press that reached out to you at the time. If you just talk about your experience there because I know it was upsetting to you to hear what she said about the show.

[31:02] Patricia Kara: Yeah, it was because I met her. She was backstage. She was one of the new girls the second season that came in. I made a point to, listen, you're working with a lot of women and it can be hard coming into a group that's already working together. It's like grade school or high school. You're like the newbie coming in. I would make a point to introduce myself, say, hey, welcome. I did that with her and I thought she was really sweet. She was beautiful, all those great things. I have nothing negative to say about her on the show. Didn't experience anything. I knew she was driven. She was working on her lines a lot for different auditions. I'm not one to chime in a lot at all actually in any of the social media things.

I just do my thing and that's what I'm focused on. She did say something about the, I can't remember the exact words, but it was about that we had a setup where you have to wear and just feeling objectified. It's one thing if you feel objectified, but then she made a comment about, and it was a flat out lie about some of the things that were happening on set. I've been there for every season, every show. I'm like, no, that's not the way I remember it. That's not the way it was, period. Why would you say something like that when there are 27 other women on set who can speak to this? Why would you even say that? I commented that my recollection is a little differently. This was on Twitter at the time.

Oh my goodness, the tweets that came at me and the media that I got calls and texts and asking to do interviews. I just stated what I knew. I worked on the show long enough to know. Even for some of the others that were there a short period of time who can say the same thing that I did, it wasn't what she was saying. I definitely had an issue with that. I had positive feedback and then I had some people come at me too. I didn't chime in for the rest of it. I said my piece. I knew what was true, what was the honest thing. I left it at that and didn't go into the battle. I just didn't want part of it, but I had to set the record straight when it came to that. Howie's one person who always talks about, they've questioned him many of times, and he jokes about the whole thing, but he's also said, I don't even remember her.

She was there for a blip of the time and she was one of the alternates that would fill in a space if somebody was sick or whatever the case may be, she would take over for somebody else. Again, she was quiet on set, no issues with her on set, but definitely was not thrilled about some of the comments that were made.

[33:44] Cheryl Benton: Obviously, the show was a great experience for you. It really was. Positive experience. I know that you learned so much over those years and all of that led to your continuing working successes of hosting and modeling and whatnot. I want to get to the book now because it truly is, and I'll hold up this version because I have that. It's truly a wonderful book. It's Dream On Now Deliver, the no-nonsense guide to achieving success in the entertainment business. It really is a no-nonsense, very practical guide. You go into such great detail, but let's start with why did you want to write this book?

[34:23] Patricia Kara: I wanted to write this because, honestly, I thought about that 15-year-old girl that was trying to figure it out and I had nowhere to go to. So my hope is that somebody can pick this book up and it could be their yellow pages and then some. There's just so much information that I hope that they can go back to it. They can refer back to it. I talk about photos, agencies, how to get an agent, how to audition, photo shoots, the PR, marketing, networking, everything that comes along the way, and even rejection and self-image. We deal with rejection all the time. Sometimes what we think is rejection is not necessarily rejection. Sometimes you go to an audition or you have a meeting and you weren't called back for that job or whatever it was.

It doesn't mean that they didn't like you. Sometimes you weren't right for that instance, for that job or whatever it was. I can't tell you how many times that played out in my life where it didn't work out at the time, but later it shows itself that those people remember you for other things. There was a hosting agent that I really wanted to work with. They were one of the big hosting agents at the time. They said, sorry, we can't take you on. I had this great meeting. We bonded. I thought it was great. No. This is the same agent who, later in time, remembered me and remembered our conversation that I was from Chicago, that I was Greek, and all these little details. Honestly, I can't believe he remembered these things.

He ended up working with another hosting agency. The other hosting agent said, do you know anybody that's Greek? He said, actually, I do. She's working on Deal or No Deal right now. I got a call and got this huge job for this Greek product that I ended up working in LA, New York, and Greece, my three favorite places. I was like, yes, I'm in. This was years later. This, I think, was 10 years down the line that this agent remembered me and brought me in for this. I'm like, how cool that he remembered. He paid attention. It wasn't that he didn't want to work with me. It wasn't the right timing and the right whatever. I talked to him today. He says, at the time, we were so full with women like you, similar. They had their reasoning. It just wasn't the time. Then he took me on. After this booking, he became my agent. I still work with him now until this day after all these years. It's great.

[37:02] Cheryl Benton: You have so many great lessons like that in the book. Certainly, the networking one was a very big part of it. This is you because you see her. She is who she is. Who she is here right now is who she is in her everyday life because you really care about people and you listen and you're kind. Every time you networked with people, everyone on the set, it didn't matter what they were doing. You became friends with everybody. As you said, you never know where those people are going. Sometimes, those people would end up remembering you. Obviously, this person did, too. That's part of your charismatic personality thing, too. Just being a human, your humanity. Even with fellow actors, models, hosts, I can't tell you how many auditions I've been to where you can sometimes tell who the new people are coming in and they look a little lost and they're questioning things.

I happily will say, hey, there's this going on, these agencies. To me, there's enough work to go around for everybody. I may not be right for this, but you may be the right person for it. That's okay. I feel like there's enough for everybody. I don't get the whole, I'm going to step all over you. I'm going to steamroll. I don't believe in that. Unfortunately, I've experienced the other side where I've gotten steamrolled and stepped on many of times, but it is what it is. Obviously, it doesn't make me happy, but I can't change that about myself that I just feel like I want to help. I want to give you information of something I may know that you might be great for in one way or another, whatever it is you may be looking for or in that whatever part of the business.

Sometimes, it's the other side of the business, not just in front of the camera, but behind the camera. I will gladly help. I see it with some people, not everybody, but hopefully, that over time, it shifts. You never know. Hopefully, there are more people like that. Your book too, I know it's written for people in the entertainment industry, but you have so many great basic lessons that are really, it's a great guide for really anybody getting into any business. One of the things that a couple of lessons I think were so important in your book, one, you talk about the fact that you have to understand that you are a business. Talk a little bit about that. I think that's so important.

[39:26] Patricia Kara: The one thing that I think a lot of people coming in, when I get asked, how do you get in the business? I always have to tell people the entertainment business, it's a business. You have to look at it as a business. I think a lot of people look at what's on TV, the glitz, the glam, being famous, especially today with all the reality shows and all the things that are out there, they look at that part of it. I try to stress that it is a business. You have to treat it as a business. It's not the party life, the red carpets. You have to really look at the day in and day out and be smart about your business, be smart about your money, be smart about your auditions, be smart about everything and not get into the party lifestyle and what you think it could be. It's a business. The glitz and glam can come.

[40:18] Patricia Kara: It can come and go, but you have, if you want longevity, you have to think about the business part of it and that's— and the money part. I love the money part too, in your book, because that's so important when you talk about, you can, it's a very— it's a rollercoaster ride. You don't know when you may be getting this big amount of money coming in here, but there may be nothing six months down the road. And when I read that, it was working with you on your book. It was around the time that Al Pacino's memoir came out. And he talks about how he's made so much money. He spent so much money. He had no idea throughout his career how to manage his money. And at one point in time, when he was with Diane Keaton, she got so frustrated with him.

This is in his book. She literally grabbed him, took him to her lawyer's office and said, this guy is an idiot. You need to sit down and help him manage his money and his business. But you had figured this out on your own. So I think that was really important.

[41:19] Patricia Kara: Thank God for my mom. Thank God for my sister, because we didn't have anything growing up, no money whatsoever. My mom came from Greece, didn't know the language, didn't have anything. She was a mother of three, abandoned, abused. It was just, it was really tough. I watched my mom work really hard. She did everything she could on a daily basis to just work, work, work and make sure we were taken care of. So I think watching that, I learned from that. And my one sister was a lot like my mom and taught me everything. I have two older sisters and this one sister specifically, Joanna, she literally was, she became an accountant. So I learned a lot from her. But we just, I was never one in general that needed the clothes, the high in this, the high in that.

I think my biggest, when I first made a big paycheck and big, it was big for me. Living in New York, it was one of the first big jobs. And I splurged on, I love food. I'm a big foodie. I'm a Greek from Chicago. So I was like, okay, where am I going to go have a nice meal and a glass of wine? That was my big splurge. So I just looked at things differently. And I still do. I don't care how much you work. Every day is a different day. One day you come into a lot, your job is auditioning. You don't get paid for auditions. So when the great job comes in, yeah, you might get a great paycheck, not always, but you might get a great paycheck for that job. But you need to figure out how to make it work for till the next job.

So that's just how my mindset worked. And over time, I obviously started working more and getting more jobs and residuals and stuff like that. But I still lived as if I had nothing. And that's how many years later, I still kind of have that mindset. I have to say, I don't need many things. I'm happy. I have good people around me. I have great family, great husband, great friends, some great coworkers. So to me, that's more important than anything else and things. I don't care about things, but I do care about my food. Those are my splurges. It's about balance, really finding balance in your life.

[43:31] Cheryl Benton: You really are a self-made person. You deserve so much credit. And you did it yourself. And you are as beautiful inside as you are on the outside. And that truly comes through with everyone. And you are so generous with people. And you're just happy, and you're joyful, and you're grateful. And it shows in every single thing that you do, Patricia.

[43:53] Patricia Kara: Thank you. I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. I feel like you're the same. I feel that's how we connected when we were introduced. I actually talked to a lot of publishers along the way. And I'm like, nope, I'm doing this on my own because there was no connection. And I kept hearing people asking me for tons of money to publish. And it just didn't work for me. I'm like, I need it to be this way. And I'm just going to have to do this by myself. So I was researching. And I was settled on the fact I'm going to do this by myself. And then last second, there's this woman who's a Greek entertainment lawyer that I'd not seen in years. Fate came in, and we happened to have a coffee together through another mutual friend.

And she's like, Patricia, what are you working on? And I said, I'm working on this book, and I'm about to self-publish. And she's like, you should talk to my friend Cheryl Benton. And I was like, OK. But I was discouraged at this point because I had gone through so many people that I had interviewed and talked to and met with. It was just, yeah, OK, sure, why not? What's one more person? Within the first few seconds that we had a Zoom call and talked, I was like, this is my girl. This is my woman. This is my person. And it's great because not only did we work together, but I call people my lifers. When you're in my circle, you're my lifer. And Cheryl and I are going to be connected forever, whether she likes it or not.

[45:18] Cheryl Benton: Oh no, I'm very happy to be a lifer in Patricia's group.

[45:21] Patricia Kara: I love Cheryl. And I'm actually working on my second book with Cheryl, so I'm excited.

[45:27] Cheryl Benton: Let's talk about what's on the horizon for you.

[45:29] Patricia Kara: I'm excited to say, yeah. As I said earlier, it's the 20th anniversary for Deal or No Deal. Prior to me realizing it was the 20th anniversary, I was in between Dream On, Now Deliver and a book about the show because we have such a great fan base for Deal or No Deal. And I still get messages every single day on social media, on my website. And I'm like, one day I'm going to write about the show and my experience because it was such a great experience. And it's still ongoing. They have a channel dedicated to the show. It's crazy. It feels like it was just yesterday. I can't believe it's 20 years later. So I was in between. I'm like, what do I write first? I'm like, no, let me write about the business first because that's what I started writing notes.

But I was at the same time writing at the same time for both. But then I was like, okay, this is where I'm going with the one and leave that on the back burner. And then I realized it's the 20 year anniversary. I'm like, now it's the time. It's the perfect timing. And some people may know this. Some people may not. I was briefcase number nine for most of the four years. And if you're in numerology and all that, it's a nine year. So even the fans are like, it's a year nine. I'm like, yes, it is. And this is the perfect time to come out with the book for Deal or No Deal. And I'm hoping to get it out by the end of the year, which the 20 years is in December when it airs.

[46:50] Cheryl Benton: And I know you bonded with a lot of the contestants too. So are you going to tell some of their stories?

[47:00] Patricia Kara: Yes, for sure. There are some great stories that great. I still talk to them to this day. We're connected. Actually, some of them were from Chicago, which is really cool because the show really was great about your, whatever each model's background was. If a contestant had some sort of tie-in, they were great about bringing that out. We had Chicago contestants. We had a Greek, a couple of Greek contestants. There were so many, and this was just my story, my take. And we had that bond, but for the other models as well, they brought that out. So we're still connected. We still write to each other, call each other, text each other, all that great stuff. So it's, I'm excited to put that out there.

We had Scotty Pippin on our show, who's a Chicago guy, Mike Ditka. So there are just so many great stories along the way. I probably could write a few books on the show. And we had a lot of great themed shows. We had Star Wars, where we all dressed up as Princess Leia, and we had the Stormtroopers. We had Sesame Street, so many great things. Like, where do you ever get an opportunity to dress up and do these things other than Halloween? I worked on a show where we got to do that on a regular basis. We had Grease, where we were dressed up with the pink poodle skirts. And we had a Madonna Day, where we were all in our bracelets and our bows on our head, fluorescent, everything. And so a lot of great memories.

And there are shows that I don't even remember that fans will write to me about. And I'm like, yes, oh my goodness, how did I forget this? I'm happy to bring all that back and do something special and with some photos of those great times of things I've never posted before. And just have everybody to enjoy those moments.

[48:45] Cheryl Benton: Well, it's always so great to spend time with you. It's so exciting that after being in this business for 30 some years now, that can drag so many people. You're still so excited about it. I can tell you get up and you look for new opportunities and you give back and you really care and you're happy and joyous.

[49:04] Patricia Kara: The business changes and you have to evolve with it. And if this is what you want, and it's great, there are so many different ways of being part of the business. You don't always have to be on camera. There are other avenues. And that's the great thing. You get into the business, you learn about all the different avenues and you figure out, okay, I'm not really digging this, but I might want to do this, be a writer, be a PA or be a director. There are just so many different avenues of being in the entertainment business, of being part of it. And it's a part of the discovery and figuring it out for yourself and what makes you happy.

[49:43] Cheryl Benton: I know this is going to be on a podcast and there's going to be probably a lot of young people listening to this who want to are thinking about getting into the business. If you were going to just share one piece of advice with them right now, what would that be?

[49:55] Patricia Kara: Trust your instincts. I talk about that in the book a lot. You have to trust your instincts. Everybody can tell you whatever they want and whatever suits them. And they may put you down or may say things to you to make you rethink things. At the end of the day, if something doesn't feel right, trust that. If you want to do something different than what an agent or a director or whoever is telling you anything, you have to trust that inner, that gut feeling. And it might be wrong, but usually I have come to find out it's right. And you just need to follow that. And think about really building momentum too, when you're in the industry and you're going from one thing to the next, building that momentum.

Even if you feel like things aren't working out or you're bummed about this rejection or not getting that job or that job, as you go along and you build that momentum, you'll see how fast when you stop being in your head so much, which we all get in our heads, I'm guilty of it a lot. I have to remind myself to just not be in my head so much. But once you get out of your head and you're just doing and enjoying the process, great things come to light. Great things come to you when you're not thinking and you're just doing and you're just feeling the moment, enjoying the process. So that's really important.

[51:15] Cheryl Benton: It's great advice for all of us. Thank you.

[51:17] Patricia Kara: No matter what you do.

[51:18] Cheryl Benton: Exactly. So I think this has been terrific. So thank you so much for having us in beautiful, iconic store today. We're happy to be here.

[51:26] Patricia Kara: Oh my gosh. I'm beyond thrilled to be here. You have no idea. This feels so good. So great to be here. And we are back and we found out what her deal is.

[51:36] Cheryl Benton: Wow. What her no deal.

[51:38] Patricia Kara: Exactly. It was inspiring. I love to hear about the business side of things because we get so focused on the art, which is what we do that often we neglect that side. And so to have someone remind us, hey, everything you do is building upon something and is only helping you create a bigger platform for yourself, which will allow you to create more art. It's all a circle. And yeah.

[52:02] Cheryl Benton: I feel like us talking about brand right before this, one of my favorite parts of my acting training in college was when we started talking about type. So I just like that kind of stuff always fascinates me.

[52:14] Patricia Kara: Oh yeah. And it's hard because it's like you want to play against type, but you also want to work and there's a lot. And I'm glad that someone is out there talking about it. We have a very special episode coming up next.

[52:25] Cheryl Benton: Oh my gosh. We literally did this event last night and I was beside myself.

[52:29] Patricia Kara: Definitely. We were all beside ourselves. We had a conversation about the play Liberation.

[52:35] Cheryl Benton: Pulitzer Prize winner.

[52:36] Patricia Kara: Pulitzer Prize winner and Tony nominee, at least as we're speaking, maybe winner by the end.

[52:42] Cheryl Benton: Liberation, we had Bess Will, we had a moderated by Jocelyn Beale. We had Whitney White who directed both of their works. It was an incredible conversation. They even threatened to take away our podcast at one point. It was an incredible night for all of us.

[52:59] Patricia Kara: And a bit of our little countdown to the Tonys because—

[53:04] Cheryl Benton: Oh my God, yeah. It's coming up.

[53:05] Patricia Kara: Next week we have the Tony. Next week we have the Ballisters coming in.

[53:08] Cheryl Benton: Oh yeah.

[53:09] Patricia Kara: And then yeah, we're getting close to the Tonys. It's going to be—

[53:12] Cheryl Benton: It's going to be major.

[53:13] Patricia Kara: Yeah. So don't forget to follow us on Eventbrite at Dramabookshop and don't forget to follow our Instagram at Dramabookshowpodcast. Remember, all the books we talk about can be found here at the bookshop and so can we and we will see you at the bookshop.