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[0:10] Robert Bannon: Are you ready? It's the Roundtable with me, Robert Bannon. Welcome to the Roundtable, everybody. It's an Oscar recap, and Adrian Garzillo is here. Our friend Mike, who was here for the predictions, isn't here because he's working today. And Adrian and myself, we're just living the life of luxury. No, we're not. But you know what I'm saying. But Mike was there last night, as was Adrian's brother-in-law and her husband and myself, and we ate grilled cheese and chicken wings and sandwiches galore, and I ate my weight in, I don't know, in I'm trying to think of a performer. Uh oh, I messed up my whole joke, Adrian. I ate my weight in, what's the man? He was Barbie and Ken. He is the guy who is Ken.

[0:32] Adrian Garzillo: Ryan Gosling?

[0:32] Robert Bannon: I ate my weight in Ryan Gosling. See, Adrian, this show is over and all of these performances and these actors and their names just went in my head and left. I know. It's done. That's it. This was the coup d'etat. No, what was it? Grand the grand the crude cha. There we go. Which I did have. I and I had some of it. It was a lovely party, and I had a great time. And I didn't sleep at all because I drank 87 Coke Zeros. So the cat was pumping, and the daylight savings was a thumping. And here we are. Um, some highlights. Can we review some highlights before we go over who won and what our thoughts were? Because the winners were generally what we thought, except for one or two surprises.

[1:52] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[1:52] Robert Bannon: I think there were a couple that we, yes, I agree with that. But yes, let's talk about the hot, hot topics, I guess. Hot topics. Jimmy Kimmel was the host. He did a very cute little short video with Margot Robbie in the beginning of the show, and then he came out and he gave his monologue. What were your thoughts about his monologue and the Emma Stone? Did she call him a prick? Controversy. So, uh, my mother had thoughts about Jimmy Kimmel, but for different reasons. Um, she's not a Jimmy Kimmel fan, she likes Jimmy Fallon, so that's, you know. Um, I don't know if that's what she said per se.

[2:35] Adrian Garzillo: It kinda looks like it.

[2:37] Robert Bannon: I watched it a couple times and I'm like, mm, I don't know. I actually didn't, and I know this is not gonna be your favorite thing. I don't like what he talked about Robert Downey Jr. and his drug problem. He doesn't have one anymore. He's been sober for over like 20 years now. So I just, that was kind of in poor taste. I was like, he, uh, they, he always comes on his show, and Robert Downey Jr. does not that he doesn't like to talk about it, but it's kind of in his past. He really works very hard to, you know, not do that, and he paid his dues, he was in jail, and you know, and he's clean and sober and lives a very healthy lifestyle. So to kind of like on a great night, I was like, oh, that's kind of like not so nice to bring that up. Could have brought a million other things up. I just was like, that wasn't funny.

[3:24] Adrian Garzillo: I understand.

[3:25] Robert Bannon: That wasn't funny. It's probably an easy shot to take. Um, uh, uh, for Robert Downey Jr. Anyway, in the defense of it, I think Robert Downey Jr. is a very, I think I get it. Like, I'm, I talked, if you listen to our predictions, my controversy feelings about Robert Downey Jr. He was semi-reserved-ish in his speech.

[3:45] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[3:46] Robert Bannon: He's still to me a little, um, he had some controversy too when he walked up to receive his award.

[3:55] Adrian Garzillo: He did.

[3:56] Robert Bannon: He's the loudest voice in the room. And it's not like the biggest star in the room. He's the loudest voice. And sometimes it's just like, we don't need all of that, Robert. Like, just shut it.

[4:06] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, he's definitely obnoxious. There's no doubt about that.

[4:11] Robert Bannon: He is, he is, he is that person. But, and I even thought that initially too, because I follow Kihi Kwan, who won last year, and he was the one who presented him the award, and he had said, oh, I hope he wins. I'd love to meet him and get a picture, because that's his thing. He's cute, he's like me. And Robert Downey Jr. now, kind of like the Taylor Swift and Celine Dion kind of thing. Robert Downey kind of took it and didn't really acknowledge him like Kihi Kwan was talking to him. But there were a lot of people on stage. And I, for that moment, I'm like, I don't think he disregarded him. He was in the moment, he won his first Oscar. He was trying to look at Sam Rockwell and whoever else was up there.

So I don't think that was it. And then, because what people didn't show is as they were all walking off stage, Robert had his arm around Kihi Kwan and they were talking. So I think it was just in the moment he just kind of took the award, like this is my Oscar now, and he just, you know, he didn't hug him, but I don't really know who he hugged. So I will give him a little bit of a pass on that.

[5:15] Adrian Garzillo: I think we should give everyone a pass, and not Taylor Swift, but everyone but Taylor Swift to get a pass.

[5:20] Robert Bannon: No, because it's one thing to wheel out, you know, Liza Minelli at the Oscar and ignore her, like, or Celine Dion at the Grammys and ignore her. That would be like going to the Tony Awards and you getting a Tony Award from like Patti LuPone and being like, yeah, whatever. So like I, but you know, they had a moment, they showed them taking a selfie. I don't think Robert Downey Jr. did it, you know, they also put a very hard time crunch on people. The clock is ticking, and you know, he's got a lot to say. And Jimmy Kimmel, I think that Jimmy Kimmel, um, his monologue is funny. I like that they cut a lot of the bits. The Guillermo bit could have even been cut, to be honest. It was not, you know, the shot of tequila thing.

[6:02] Adrian Garzillo: He's funny, he had to be there.

[6:04] Robert Bannon: Well, Guillermo had to be there. There's always, you know, uh, it's Guillermo, like Jimmy, it's Jimmy and Guillermo, like he's just part of the shtick, so there had to be something. I th I was like, Jimmy always does some like grand kind of crazy thing. So I think he was like, we're gonna scale it down, and we're just gonna do the tequila shot because that's kind of what Guillermo does on the red carpet.

[6:24] Adrian Garzillo: Yeah, and it was cute, and the dog, the dog from, um, the fall, you know, like that was funny.

[6:31] Robert Bannon: The dog peed on Matt Damon's, the dog with clapping paws was funny, like there were funny moments, and of course, the big funny viral moment that's on the front page of Rolling Stone and the front page of Hollywood Reporter and everything is John Cena and the naked, um, the naked.

[6:31] Adrian Garzillo: That was absolutely hysterical, and I was shocked at how many women were, oh my children couldn't watch this.

[7:00] Robert Bannon: Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. Your children couldn't watch it. First of all, it's a joke. Like, we do kind of need to like, it's a joke, and it was a costume award. Not only that, they were paying homage to when a streaker came out in whatever it was, 1970 something. And then it was like, okay, who am I gonna get to do this? I actually thought it was gonna be Matt Damon. I was like, oh my god, is he gonna get Matt Damon to, because I thought that would be kind of funny? And then here's John Cena's head. That was hysterical. And he had a little pa or something covering everything up.

[7:34] Adrian Garzillo: It was a joke, people. Like, get over it.

[7:35] Robert Bannon: On a movie set, they're not like you're not really naked in these scenes. Like, you're always covered there, they're always like it was I didn't think it was very um vulgar or sexual. It wasn't very serious. It wasn't sexual. I didn't think it was sexual in any way. And if you took it, I mean, first of all, he's an, he's 50, I guess, or maybe close he looked pretty darn good. And if he didn't want to do it, he wouldn't have done it. He was probably like, dude, that's hysterical. I'm in.

[8:03] Adrian Garzillo: Of course.

[8:04] Robert Bannon: Like that. I didn't, I don't see why that would be controversial. I thought it was funny. And I really highlights of the evening. Like, I really thought, like, as a moment, that's a moment. That was really great.

[8:16] Adrian Garzillo: I agree.

[8:17] Robert Bannon: And I did love, you know, out of the one of the awards that we may not spend a ton of time. Uh, and I did, I did some of the banter is always painful to watch at a la Melissa McCarthy and Octavia Spencer.

[8:31] Adrian Garzillo: Octavia Spencer, who are great.

[8:32] Robert Bannon: They're both wonderful actresses in their own right, but that was a little great, like, you know, Ryan Reynolds. Um, what is with me and Ryan Gosling? Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt's, uh, Bar Oppenheimer Barbecue. That was really funny.

[8:47] Adrian Garzillo: That's funny.

[8:50] Robert Bannon: I did before we go through the winners. I did want to say that one of the, uh, acceptance speeches that I really loved, a that was not someone famous that was not Robert Downey Jr. or, you know, all of the, um, Stone fancy people was, um, one that I thought was so apropos, and I wish everyone would really pay attention, was Court Jefferson, who won the best adapted screenplay for American fiction, and he went on to say instead of making a 200 million dollar movie, why don't you make, you know, 10 20 million dollar movies or 50, you know, four million dollar movies? And like the, I thought that that was such an important message to Hollywood because we don't, not every movie back in the day. Hey, here we go, sound the old again. Like, not every movie, and the blockbuster movies like St. Rocky, take ET, take these movies. They weren't made for a quatrillion billion dollars. They found just think of Saving Private Ryan.

[9:47] Adrian Garzillo: Saving Private Ryan, which when you talk about a, I mean heavy duty subject, but that was a huge blockbuster, I believe.

[9:54] Robert Bannon: Um, I don't know the exact numbers, but then you had, I want to say maybe Good Will Hunting and Good Will Hunting, which cost nothing. Granted, no one knew Robin Williams was in it, but you know, Stellan Skarsgård, but like Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, nobody really knew who they were. They were, you know, couple, you know, couple roles or whatever. I miss the independent films. I miss those so much. And not for nothing, go back to which was 2018, I don't remember when they won, maybe 2017, Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto. They made Dallas Buyers Club for nothing, and that was a phenomenal film, phenomenal acting and by everyone in it. Can't we go back to that? Have a couple of those thrown in there, you know? And I thought it was a great speech. I was so happy for him, and that was a really earnest, happy speech.

[10:43] Adrian Garzillo: And I agree. We could still have a couple Marvel Star Wars movies. I'm fine with that, but I don't think we need 20. Like one or two we could do. And then share the wealth. And then I won't be at them, but I'm happy you all like them.

[10:55] Robert Bannon: And I will say that also every year in Oscar and the performances. I mean, go ahead, tell me. Go ahead. Tell me about how much you love Ken. Go ahead. I'm ready.

[11:05] Adrian Garzillo: So the musical performances.

[11:07] Robert Bannon: Well, listen, I was waiting for it and it delivered. I'm just Ken was the highlight. I mean, besides John Cena. First of all, Ryan Gosling sounded great. I wasn't sure how he was going to do live. And I mean, I, the first time I ever saw Ryan Gosling was on the new Mickey Mouse Club back in the day when he was part of, you know, MMC with Tony Luca, your friend to the show. And I thought he did a great job. He paid homage to Greta and Margot. Like he wanted to make sure they were included and America, because she was there as well. And you had the other Kens, Simu Liu, um, Shooty, who's now the Doctor Who, um, the gentleman who plays Bob Marley, his name escapes me right now. Like they were all there besides the other dancers.

And I thought it was great. And I'm watching it and I was like, this reminds me of Madonna's Material Girl. And that was kind of what they were going for. And I just think it was great. It was all tongue in cheek. It was very cute. Then you had Slash, Wolfgang, Van Halen. It was great.

[12:11] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, and Madonna did watch the Oscar from LA.

[12:14] Robert Bannon: She did have an Oscar party, and Taylor Swift was the surprise guest at it.

[12:18] Adrian Garzillo: And um, I did not know that.

[12:21] Robert Bannon: Oh, yes, and Travis Kelsey was there, and it was at Guy O'Siri's, uh, Madonna's manager's house. And they could do with the hot tea. I love it. They flew 15 hours to attend the party with Miss Madonna. Um, do we really care? No, but I wanted to share that with you. And I thought Ryan Gosling sounded good, and I thought the performance was fun. And I love Jon Batiste playing the piano. I could listen to him play the piano forever. The performances were kind of blah. It was a little short.

[12:50] Robert Bannon: I wished that's the one thing where I know they wanted them like not to be the focal point, but I think we needed a little bit more production value.

[13:01] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, not so much, you know, you could have done with all the green screen stuff, you could have done something really beautiful behind John Baptiste, and it was a little strange.

[13:10] Robert Bannon: I didn't get it was like couples and whatnot, and Brokeback Mountain was on there, by the way.

[13:15] Adrian Garzillo: They did cut really quick.

[13:17] Robert Bannon: But it I needed a little bit more. But then the in memoriam, which nobody really liked, by the way.

[13:24] Adrian Garzillo: And they allegedly left people out.

[13:26] Robert Bannon: I want to talk to you about the in memoriam.

[13:29] Adrian Garzillo: Yeah, let's talk about that.

[13:30] Robert Bannon: Because can I just say here's my controversial comment of the show?

[13:34] Adrian Garzillo: Oh, here we go.

[13:35] Robert Bannon: Because you know, I had a controversial comment in the last show, allegedly.

[13:39] Adrian Garzillo: Nobody listening thought it was controversial, but Mike and Adrian took umbrage to my feelings about the actors that were nominated.

[13:47] Robert Bannon: And so I re I go online and I try, I only listen. I don't, I'm not a big gossip celebrity gossip person. I don't watch TikTok gossip. Like, I'm not like in that world, I'm not on TMZ every day, but I do read, you know, I do read, like, where is Kate Middleton, things like that.

[14:02] Adrian Garzillo: Missing, hidden.

[14:04] Robert Bannon: The AI, Kate Middleton. So I was um, so I was on the I was reading and and I saw comments about people being very upset about the in memoriam, and that every interview that I read with Jimmy Kimmel's wife and the producing team, the at Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Billboard, they all asked, How are you going to do the in memoriam? Because allegedly, unbeknownst to me, everyone gets very upset every year with in memoriams at award shows. Like it's like the thing that people take their frustration out. Well, you forgot so and so, and so and so didn't get a special moment like such and such did, and you have a singer, and the singer took too much attention from the people's names, and you know, Chita Rivera was on the screen, but then 50 people's names flew by in one second, or why do we need a hundred dancers and Andrea Bocelli and his son and an orchestra and the flying?

[14:57] Adrian Garzillo: But my question to you, A, is like I understand family members that get upset. I understand like people feel like their family should be recognized, but like, don't we all have something better to do than complain on the internet about there being an interpretive dance during the in memoriam at the Oscar? Like, don't we have we really that's what we're gonna cause our anger at?

[15:17] Robert Bannon: Well, right, no, I agree a hundred percent. But here's the thing, and this is what um I was listening to um Andy Cohen's Bravo channel today, and um Jess something, Kahill, I think is her name or whatever, uh just K, I forget Jess is her name, and she said it took away because you were focusing on that and you were missing, like you couldn't see because the cameras were very far back, and it's like we want to see who it is, and even if it's a producer or an agent or or something like that, because obviously the Oscar is more movie-based, but they were upset that um Norman Lear was left out, and I'm like, Norman Lear was television, but they all were like, Well, he should have been on here too.

[15:56] Robert Bannon: Well, they did that at the SAG Awards. And the Golden.

[15:59] Adrian Garzillo: Oh no, they didn't do it at the Gold.

[16:01] Robert Bannon: They do it at the SAG Awards, I think. But like she's not movies.

[16:06] Adrian Garzillo: No, and that's what like we were sitting there, and you know, we as a group, uh Adrian and myself may be the no shade to John, Jimmy, and and Mike. We might be the quietest two, and they're they're opinionated movie watchers. Like we Adrian loves movies, and I love movies, but like John, Jimmy, and Mike, who we watched with Nick, they love movies, they're nerdy about movies, like they get in the mud about the movies, who was a producer and who was a cameraman and who wrote the movie. I don't, that's not my world. But like they will be like, oh, so and so should have been there, or so and so was in this. I don't even remember Ryan Gosling's name, people. Never mind who died last January. That was the third star on Bonanza that did a movie that should be on the in memoriam. Now their family should care.

[16:53] Adrian Garzillo: Right.

[16:54] Robert Bannon: And so and then the other thing too at the end, people said was all those names came up. You couldn't read the name, you couldn't even see them. And that's why they were like, was it everyone? Or were those even more people? So that's where I I get they were like, and you have this, you and and the saying meaning it was distracting, and it's kind of like different than when John Baptiste did that beautiful rendition, like you know, uh at the Grammys, which was a beautiful for In Memoriam, like that's different. This really could should have been a little more somber. You could have uh Andrea Bocelli and his son singing, but everything else just kind of took away from that moment.

[17:31] Adrian Garzillo: And I don't see from a producing side that oh boy, here comes Robert. The in memoriam for some people is is four minutes that they really enjoy. Not enjoy is not the right but they they like it because it reminds them of people and it pays homage to some I'm one of those people. I do like memorial. And then for other people they're like it's a downer and it's a it's a four minutes as a producer where you're like oh damn like this is four minutes of a montage of faces and it could be a little bit of a long when a lot of people have passed away this year and it could be a little bit of a long segment so how do you make it entertaining that for lack of a better word or a production number they could have put some of that production in the songs nominated and they could have given I think Andrea Bocelli and his son singing is plenty.

[18:22] Robert Bannon: Oh yes and it was beautiful I I mean they both were were lovely but that's where people were like it distracted and it's like not that you can't have that for the people that are there but they cut to it so often and then they were so far back it's like it it missed the mark that I think they were going for.

[18:39] Adrian Garzillo: So that was the whole thing. And then they were like oh Matthew Perry only did one movie. Excuse me. Granted yes he was on Friends he did more than one movie just FYI that annoyed me I didn't like that at all like the poor man died and not a very horrible death like let him rest in peace. He did more than one movie. They weren't all fantastic more than one movie. But that's not the requirement I think you make it effort in in film like you have a career in film. I think that's the point of it. If you have a career that's exclusively to television or stage or my dog barking then who he might be in the in memoriam for next year. When you when you when you are um in film then you get in you get whatever yeah come on okay I think we need to lit like lighten up a little yeah I definitely think but I think that's a very hard thing to do it's because you want to get the emotion you do want people to cry I'm sure as a producer you want that too but at the same time you have hundreds of people in the theater live just sitting there looking at a screen like you you definitely so I I see both sides.

[19:17] Robert Bannon: I see both sides too yes I do and I don't think the Oscar firstly I give Ricky Minor kudos he's an amazing band leader you know we love Ricky Ricky was with Whitney for his whole career Ricky has been on this show uh I love Ricky Minor so kudos to him for being the the the conductor again I don't know like the Oscar make weird choices sometimes like like 20 days in there pool win and then you play him off with the I'm just Ken song like sometimes you know live television read the room people read the room struggle so just momentarily just so everyone is aware Robert is there but I think his computer might have um lost its uh battery for the moment so you know listen sometimes we have technical difficulties it happens so while he uh runs and gets to plug it in I'm here Adrian is still here my Instagram is amc Disney if you want to come in and yell at me or or ask me questions or let me know what you like about uh this podcast that we've been doing and yeah it's kind of sad I'm sad that this is the last one for a while until we have the next one.

[21:04] Adrian Garzillo: So we'll have to see.

[21:06] Robert Bannon: I'm back.

[21:07] Adrian Garzillo: Yeah.

[21:08] Robert Bannon: See, he's back.

[21:09] Adrian Garzillo: I was filling.

[21:10] Robert Bannon: I was filling.

[21:11] Adrian Garzillo: You did a my computer died.

[21:13] Robert Bannon: That's what I said. I was like, I have a feeling while you don't hear Robert.

[21:17] Adrian Garzillo: My computer died, and it was charging because Apple are terrible people. And they buy crap, and the crap doesn't work. And then you buy new crap that doesn't work. And they just all this crap. So now I have all these chargers and all this crap and USC port and a regular port and a phone port is different than a computer port and the C port and and whatever. And none of it freaking works.

[21:42] Adrian Garzillo: Hey, what were you telling the people?

[21:45] Robert Bannon: I was telling the people that uh I was sad that this will be one of our last little podcasts for you know for the for the awards season for a little while until the Tonies come along, unless there's something else, but I don't think so.

[21:56] Adrian Garzillo: No, I mean we could get real nerdy and we could talk about like the drama league awards, which is fine and wonderful. Do you know they used a photo of Oscar Isaacs who didn't come over and talk to us? He did wave to me though. Um they came in late, him and Rachel Brasnahan. I think she was the reason why he didn't come over, neither here nor there. Uh, but they used that actual photo for something I was watching. Uh oh, John Leguizamo was talking on ABC prior, like you know, they do all the pre-Oscar show brunch with Oscar and all this kind of stuff on ABC, and they were interviewing John Leguizamo, and he was talking about um that he wishes there were more Latinos involved, like he was happy for America Ferrara, you know, whatnot. He mentioned Pedro Pascal winning, and which I didn't even realize. Um, he was the first Latin man to win best actor in a TV series. And it's weird when you think about things like that.

[22:49] Robert Bannon: Um, and that's something too that I did want to talk to you about because they did talk about it. Now, going forward, the academy has criteria to be nominated for Best Picture.

[23:01] Adrian Garzillo: Tell me.

[23:02] Robert Bannon: Oh. So it's four things and you have to have two of the four. Um oh so it's like column A column B.

[23:11] Adrian Garzillo: Kind of, yes.

[23:12] Robert Bannon: Like Chans used to have. Um when you would order. Go ahead.

[23:16] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, I love it.

[23:18] Robert Bannon: And it's Chance. It was really good. Uh food. Um so it's kind of like um diversity is is was part of it. Uh another one was um you know who's working on the film? You know, do you have are you employing people that maybe um have certain disabilities? Are they on the film as well? Those are the two to top ones that people spoke about and then there were two others. So of these four, in order to be even thought of to be best picture, like when everybody votes in the academy, you have to meet two of the four criteria. So I think that's really really smart.

[23:51] Adrian Garzillo: John Leguizamo was just saying like yes, it's getting better. We're not there yet and you know he was even saying like you know, in regards to you know African African Americans, he's like they've been fighting forever. He goes, even the Latinos, us too, we've been fighting and you know we want more you know we all want people of color, you know, of representations people with disabilities. You know, there's all different kinds of people that should be a part of it. Um and he was actually talking more so behind the scenes not so much in front of the camera. He also had mentioned like you know instead of it being he goes I and I he's like I hate to say it, but Oscar is so white and he was like, you know, if you have a rom com why can't you have a Latino actress, you know, and an African American actor or an Asian actor, you know, something like that. And he goes, that's what needs to happen. Which I think it's it's on its way, but it's not there yet.

[24:44] Robert Bannon: No, it it it we're talking about it and they may and there are there are strides made, but it is still and then you see things like for every project where you go, wow, that project is culturally diverse. That project includes you know um all genders or non-gender conforming people. That project includes disciples disabled. That project includes queer community. That project includes women that project includes a people of color. And then all of a sudden you think there's 10 projects that are just the regular old schmegular old thing. And that's what's so so sad uh about it is that we we still have this conversation. You know, I was talking to someone recently this week um she was a Jewish uh her father is was very wealthy and she is an opera singer and she's doing an event and she has a a charity organization that is giving money towards the Israeli A Z R A I E L L I don't know how to spell it off the top of my head foundation and um she's giving money to composers who are young Jewish composers because the music is not being made there's people don't have the money etc classical classic Jewish compositions.

[25:51] Robert Bannon: And she was saying like you know that she did a performance in Europe where they wanted her to wear a bulletproof vest on stage because she's such an outspoken Jewish person. Like we are talking about in a world where representation really does matter very much.

[26:08] Adrian Garzillo: The show can tend or trend politically left because usually artists are very progressive and liberal-minded.

[26:20] Robert Bannon: Um, but you know, my response to that, A, is that I don't think it was very political, aside from Jimmy Kimmel reading that person's tweet or Truth Social. Which literally happened. I don't even think that was planned. I think someone was just like, he tweeted this. Well, I'll give it a phone. And of course, he's like, give me the phone. I'll give you the scoop. I know I'm gonna do that. I know the scoop about this too, eh? Oh, you know, Jimmy. Jimmy was asked by ABC not to read it, but he did have time to fill. And he did, he ended it early. He didn't care, and he was gonna read it anyway. And what I think about it is no one listening to this is gonna be a Trump voter, so it doesn't matter.

I think that um, because I don't think the Broadway Podcast Network spews right. But what I will say is that um my argument about politics on the Oscar stage is that as an artist and people's political beliefs, I feel very strongly in the First Amendment, and I feel very strongly that you're allowed to say whatever you want, and that you don't have to listen, or you can change the channel, or you don't have to support that person. But if I get one minute to give an acceptance speech and I want to make it political, I have the right to say whatever I want. And if I feel like politics doesn't belong in my platform, then I don't say it. But Jimmy Kimmel, I understand being the host, is supposed to be like very moderate in the sense, but late-night comedy rips on Democrats and Republicans, and my response to that is I don't think he would have ever brought up Donald Trump because in all honesty, it's we don't I don't want to talk about it.

He's tired of talking about it. I don't want to talk about it either. But no, he literally in real time tweeted that insane tweet. It's not politicizing an issue, it's reporting on something that really happened. But here's the thing, and this is where uh you know, and I do have to say for those that did speak about it, because I believe there was a protest in Hollywood, and then I understand that. Um even for those that um you know obviously want the hostages returned home, everybody wants peace. Everybody does. We don't want this to be happening to those poor people in Gaza. We don't want that, but something happened that you know, people were kidnapped. So, you know, this for every reaction for every cause there's a reaction or what have you.

So, but I think for those that spoke out, they spoke out very nicely, and I appreciated that because that's what it's about. We want everyone to get along, and which is I think what we want in our country as well. And when you have a platform, and like you said, granted, it depends on that person's narrative, but I think it's everybody's narrative, it's very important. It's crazy in this country right now. And I just thought that was, I really thought it was fake. I thought it was a bit.

[29:11] Adrian Garzillo: Me too, and I thought it's funny. That's a funny bit.

[29:15] Robert Bannon: Yeah, and then I looked it up on the couch because there was a part of me that thought slopinopolis is too on the nose to be a bit. Like I did, I don't think he would have thought that. And then I went on Truth Social, which is a fascinating place, and I was like, Oh, it's real. Here it is, it's really real. Why doesn't he proofread his net? Like, can't he send this to somebody?

[29:36] Adrian Garzillo: I think he does it purposely.

[29:40] Robert Bannon: It gets he said that purposely about George Stephanopoulos. Absolutely, slop anopolis, right? Oh, sweet Jesus. So, but that's someone that we should vote for to be the next president. Like that's the stuff that it's like I don't understand these people. Like, no, that's not what we need. Not that Joe Biden's perfect, not by any means, but he's way better than that option. Just say.

[30:02] Adrian Garzillo: I well, and here's the reality. And I tried not to be political on this show because you have the right to be, but regardless of what anyone says about Joe Biden, it's like comparing fire trucks with oranges. Like they are completely different beasts, different animals. And you could be old and you can make mistakes and you can stutter, and there's a lot of ageism and there's a lot of disability, um unfairness that's played into that situation. And you could and do we love the idea that it's two old white men that are in their 70s and 80s? No, of course not. But there are two choices here in this country right now, really. And you're either with um with it or you're against it. So there's no really sitting out. Like everyone needs to get up and go out and needs to vote.

[30:46] Robert Bannon: Um the awards. Uh what let's we're not gonna go through every award. I don't think we want to.

[30:50] Adrian Garzillo: I mean, we couldn't.

[30:52] Robert Bannon: No, I don't think we have to. Um who won the most awards?

[30:57] Adrian Garzillo: Which film?

[30:59] Robert Bannon: I think it was Oppenheimer.

[31:00] Adrian Garzillo: It was Oppenheimer, okay.

[31:02] Robert Bannon: And then second was um Poor Things, right?

[31:02] Adrian Garzillo: Poor Things.

[31:08] Robert Bannon: I think the surprising with Poor Things, which is kind of the, I don't want to say the lesser category, because of course everyone's like, why are those televised? And I'm like, but they worked on these movies. They, I think they should be televised, especially cinematographer, my favorite. Um, which went to Oppenheimer.

[31:25] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, it did.

[31:27] Robert Bannon: But I think those are if you don't have those people, you can't make a movie. So they are part of it. And they did try to like do it all at once or like do it beforehand. Just keep it as it was. And listen, I have to say, I like that it started early and it ended early. They had more time. I think that was great. It didn't feel as long. It felt much better that it didn't end at 11:30 at night. Way better. My only caveat is give the people that win a little bit more time. Give them a little bit more time because I hate when you play them out, and it just, that was the only thing. Like every other award show went pretty well. This one they did play the music a little too much, I thought. Give them a little bit more time. This is, these are the big awards. This is like, you know, the Oscar.

[32:13] Adrian Garzillo: So give them a little bit more time.

[32:14] Robert Bannon: Well, I don't think any of us were surprised that Oppenheimer won Best Picture. I don't think anyone was surprised that Christopher Nolan won Best Director finally.

[32:22] Adrian Garzillo: Out damn time.

[32:24] Robert Bannon: Eight nominations for three movies, but through different iterations. Best Actor went to Cillian Murphy, which it could have gone to Paul Giamatti. There was talk about it back and forth, but it was an Oppenheimer moment. Best Actress was the shocker of the evening. Because Lily Gladstone was the forefront, the favorite, and then Emma Stone pulls out the win.

[32:50] Adrian Garzillo: Thoughts.

[32:58] Robert Bannon: I think Emma won a few more than Lily. And even though a lot of people say whoever, you know, kind of wins the SAG wins the Oscar. That's not always true. I was listening, I did sit through and I watched um Killers of the Flower Moon. I thought Lily Gladstone was amazing. And I don't think it was a political move if she would have won. I think it was based on her performance. Yes, she happens to be an indigenous person. That is her background, her nationality, and whatnot. So that would have been wonderful and amazing because of her performance, not because of that. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think that's not why they didn't give it to her.

[33:38] Adrian Garzillo: I my husband had not watched John, he had not watched Poor Things, and he's like, I want to watch Poor Things. So we watched it the night before the Oscar again. And weird movie, I love, I but I like a weird movie. And he's like, wow, like with the fish eye lens and this, that, and the other. And I said, Yeah, but this is the type of director that Yorgos is, and that's how he sees things. Her performance was really fantastic. Like she really, you know, and again, women were complaining about this and like, oh, you're glorifying because it was very sexual in nature. And I was, you know, John was like, whoa, I was like, yeah, you know, but then you miss the story. There is a point. That's why they're doing that. And Emma Stone, I mean, I, it was just such the way her character progressed was exceptional.

[34:28] Robert Bannon: And I loved she had she did not think she was going to win. You could tell by her reaction. That was truly shock. Uh, and then I feel bad because her dress kind of, you know, broke in the back. She's a very versatile actress, and she's very cute and charming on stage. She seems like just a very um regular, like she goes to work, she acts, and she goes home to her baby. You know, like that's the life that these people live. Many of them live their working actors. Like that's what their goal is. It's not all about the glitz and the glamouring, like it's to do the work. And I did think that the movie is provocative and weird and strange.

[35:02] Adrian Garzillo: Oh, yes, but with intention, it's not just gratuitous and it's gratuitous, but there's a point, as you said.

[35:09] Robert Bannon: Um Best Supporting Actor, your favorite was Robert Downey Jr., who we talked about. He gave his, it wasn't as over he was restrained. And then I don't want to say her name wrong, but it's Divine.

[35:27] Adrian Garzillo: Uh, it's yes, Dave.

[35:30] Robert Bannon: Dave Joy.

[35:31] Adrian Garzillo: Dave Joy Randolph.

[35:33] Robert Bannon: She won. And that was the best speech of the night. She's just a star. From Broadway World to like in the Broadway world to movies. And really she's just a cutie pie. And she swept. She won every award. She won them all. And it was so well deserved. And the acting categories, they were really stacked. Male, female, you know, whatnot. They were really stacked.

[36:02] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[36:02] Robert Bannon: And I like that there were a lot of newcomers, you know, first-time nominees. There were many of them last night. And I hope that trend continues. And don't get me wrong, I love the Kate Winslet. She's one of my favorites. Uh, you know, uh, Meryl can sit down. She's good now. Like, you know, we love Meryl Streep, she's great, but there's a new generation of actors that are coming along, and just because they are younger, like an Austin Butler, a Timothy Chalamet, another favorite of yours, uh, Zendaya. These are very especially Zendaya. She has come talk about Disney, come out of nowhere. But what I love about her is she came from Disney, and I know some people don't always go on the up and up, but she is, and she is definitely her trajectory is amazing, and I can't wait to see what's next for her.

[36:54] Adrian Garzillo: I think she challengers or the challengers is her new movie, but I really think she's great.

[37:02] Robert Bannon: I do too. I agree a hundred percent. Um I uh and then we talked about director. I think a screenplay, Mike beat us all. We'll admit it here on the show. Mike was like on the pulse. I swear he's either reading Gold Derby or he's looking at the block. He's cheating in some way. But American Fiction, while I was critical of the movie because I love the cast and I love the idea of the movie, it didn't deliver the way I wanted it to deliver, but I think it's interesting that it won for best screenplay because it is a writer's movie. It is a movie about writing for goodness sake. Um and he called it.

[37:40] Adrian Garzillo: He called it.

[37:41] Robert Bannon: I know. We could have bet and we could have won a lot of money, and I need all the money I can get. And he also called the other screenplay was Anatomy of a Fall, which look at Mike. I did not think that was going to get it at all. I was really kind of surprised.

[37:58] Adrian Garzillo: But he did, he knew.

[37:59] Robert Bannon: He knew both of them. And of course, he picked, you know, the boring Billie Eilish song.

[38:04] Adrian Garzillo: Well, I promise you, I will not talk bad about Billie Eilish anymore after tonight.

[38:09] Robert Bannon: She sounded the best, I think, when she performed it last night. And I also think she looked very nice. It was her style, her way, but for the Oscar, I thought she was, she actually I thought looked stunning. Her hair was beautiful, she had beautiful makeup on.

[38:20] Adrian Garzillo: She took the shower.

[38:26] Robert Bannon: Showers are good. Ryan, um, Ryan Gosling should have probably showered and maybe gotten some of that makeup off his face.

[38:32] Robert Bannon: But I like makeup on the guy. I think it's fun. But for him, it's why? But I like the suit. All right, go ahead. Hit us with the fashion. Go ahead, eh?

[38:39] Adrian Garzillo: Oh, the fa the fat the fashion. Oh, but wait, there's wait, wait, wait. There's one more thing I want to talk about with the awards. What I liked, and I hope that they do more often, maybe not every year, maybe they do it every other year, was bringing out former winners.

[38:53] Robert Bannon: I love it too.

[38:55] Adrian Garzillo: I love that because I don't need to see a clip of the movie. Maybe show a clip of them from the movie, like their picture behind that person. But you know, when you win an Oscar, it's kind of just for that moment, maybe that week, and then okay, on to the next. So you don't really not. I mean, you're always known as Academy Award winner that will always follow you, but then people do kind of forget. And I kind of liked that they did that and they had different people. And then that's the person that won last year. Um, I really happened uh to like that a lot.

[39:29] Robert Bannon: As did I, and I really liked when they did have a personal connection with the person or worked with them in a film or could give something because some of them were very much more personal and sweet, and other people's were much more muted in their delivery or their story. But I love the idea, and I love to see the people that have won in the past, and I love to see them all walk out together. And I do love the solidarity of actors. I do love that, you know, they even gave the nod to this the SAG strike this year and brought out the background. The people, you know, we as a as an industry, I think it's important that they stand uh together and show like we're here and we put out these movies.

And a lot of actor friends of mine have been complaining that they're still not working, you know, they're still not back to work because everything stopped for so long, there's nothing written to film. So, you know, it is an issue. I think next year it will be the boom. I think you're gonna get some really amazing television, you're gonna get some really amazing films, and you know, let's get those no-name people out there. Like, what was his name? Cord, was that his name who won for American fiction?

[40:30] Adrian Garzillo: Yeah.

[40:31] Robert Bannon: You know, let's let's let's take a look at it. But again, it's also those executives that John Leguizamo was talking about. We need to get younger executives in there of different backgrounds of all different things, not just old white men. Um go ahead. Tell us about the clothes, eh?

[40:47] Adrian Garzillo: The fashion.

[40:49] Robert Bannon: The fashion. I have to say, no one I I liked a lot of people. No one really was well, the rock. His suit was a little not so great. Um I shouldn't say that. He looked great, but the suit was just not for him. It was silky-esque, you know, the fabric was not good for his body type, I will say, because he's very muscular, obviously, and you know, it kind of wrinkled a little bit, so that wasn't, you know, um, my favorite. So there were just so many fabulous. Uh, Ryan Gosling was definitely um one of the best dressed. I I I he did a great red carpet. I think the winner, though, as far as gentlemen go was Coleman Domingo. He has killed it on every carpet. He looked exceptional. He was in Louis Vuitton, head to toe.

Even his cowboy boots were custom Louis Vuitton. I thought he looked amazing. Um, but my best dressed, and I'm going for couple. There were two couples. One couple was Gabrielle Union and her husband Dwayne Wade. They looked so fantastic, so fabulous. And a little tea of my own, her dress, which was Carolina Herrera, was two dresses in one, and it was her idea. She saw this and she goes, it's too short. Put this other dress underneath it. And that's what made that very I think it's very uh iconic look. Uh Carrie Mulligan looked amazing. Um your buddy Rami Youssef on the carpet uh looked great. Umsa Ray, she's another one, stunning, absolutely gorgeous. Uh then there was a little surprise of uh who was hosting on Channel 7, Vanessa Hudgens, baby bump.

I was like, oh, good for her. Uh Matt Bomer, even though he wasn't nominated for anything, he's just uh very handsome man. And the Cumber Bun has made a comeback. Why? I don't know, but Matt can wear it anytime. He looked amazing in it. A few, a few gentlemen had it on, but he looked uh really, really good. Um, hold on here. I have to go. Oh, America Ferrera looked stunning in her pink Barbie. Uh it's called Chain Link. I call it liquid, but that's not the proper term. Um, it was Versace. It was gorgeous. Jodie Foster looked amazing. Cynthia Erivo, uh, in her green Alphaba. I wasn't a huge fan of Ariana Grande in the pink poofy cotton candy-esque gown, but I get it, it was, you know, for uh Wicked.

Um Danielle Brooks looked amazing, Emma Stone looked beautiful, and I think it was like a mint green or pistachio color. It was kind of hard to tell. Um so the one that I didn't really like, I will say there was one, was Emily Blunt. It fit her beautifully, but the straps were weird. It was like it you I you I either pull it up or pull it down. So um, but her husband, John Krasinski, he looks great. He was matching her in white. Sterling K. Brown looked amazing. Um, Lupita Nyong'o, gorgeous. Oh my gosh, absolutely beautiful. Hold on, I have to turn my page because there was a lot of people. Um, Bradley Cooper. Now, Bradley Cooper, handsome handsome guy, a little too much makeup on him as well.

I never like his hair. He never does his hair properly. He sh he shaved himself up a little bit, still had a little scruff, but it was nice scruff, and he slicked his hair back, but not slick back that it looked greasy, it looked really good. Um, but the thing was no tie. That was something that was a trend. The gentlemen were not wearing ties. Uh, Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper, um, Davina looked beautiful in her icy blue um uh sequin gown with the with the feather uh um shoulders. Regina King looked beautiful in a red dress. I I don't know who made it, but she looked beautiful. Um Mark Ruffalo had no tie. Um and then of course you have the after party, and then everybody changes or whatever and goes to that.

There's even more fashion. I didn't even get to that yet. Um, but everybody looked amazing. I was uh highly impressed with with everyone. I really there wasn't anything that I just was like, oh, they they look absolutely terrible. I didn't see it. No, it was very classy, very classy event. And um, I'm excited that the awards the movies are over, so it's time for the whole new year of movies to come out. But you know, Adrian was saying, thank you for covering these shows with me. We're not done because uh April 30th is the announcement of the Tony Awards. So we are not we are not done with awards show season for us because the Broadway Podcast Network, every show does a big giant Tony Award wrap-up show uh here on the Broadway Podcast Network. So um A will have seen some of the shows. I will have seen about them all. And um with I say that with love. I don't even say that with shade. That was with love. That was with love.

[45:58] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[45:58] Robert Bannon: And um, and we'll have many friends who have been nominated and joined the round table. So we will do a early Tony Award nomination rundown before we do our pre-Tony Award show where we'll talk about the hosts and the presenters, and then we will do the post Tony Awards. So we will have the full the round table will be your place for theater. Um last year, Adrian and myself covered the Drama League Awards, we covered the World Theater Awards. So we will be on the red carpets. We will be giving you the scoop, and we will be here on April 30th. We will have a special round table for you where we will go through the nominees with a magnifying glass and a fine-tooth comb, and we will tell you and keep you up to date on who's gonna host, who are the presenters, who's performing. It's at Lincoln Center this year for the first time ever. So it will be a Oh, that's exciting.

[46:50] Adrian Garzillo: It is very exciting.

[46:52] Robert Bannon: Oh, we don't know who the host is, right? They haven't announced the host.

[46:54] Adrian Garzillo: We don't.

[46:55] Robert Bannon: April 30th, the nominations will be out April 30th, and then the show is on June 16th. You can see me at 54 Below on June 14th to kick off Tony Award weekend and pride, and then you can go watch the Tony Awards on CBS as they have been for 45 years on June 16th. So we're not going anywhere. We have a lot more left to do.

[47:18] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[47:19] Robert Bannon: Very, very exciting. Very, very exciting. We are excited. Thank you so much for being here.

[47:22] Adrian Garzillo: Hey, thank you for always sharing your tidbits, your information, your your your gossip, your news, your fashion.

[47:29] Robert Bannon: Thank you for having me. I love it. You make me um way more fun because if you weren't here, I would just be going, who cares about that actor? And no one likes that actor, and that actor's not even good, and just being here as a big old hater.

[47:41] Adrian Garzillo: So you say some of the.

[47:42] Robert Bannon: You're still not gonna watch Oppenheimer, even though it won. Can I watch like, do they have like a reenactment that's like two minutes long? Like, oh, they made a thing, and oh Albert Einstein, and oh there's a bomb, and oop the end. Like, isn't that what it's about?

[48:00] Adrian Garzillo: Yes.

[48:01] Robert Bannon: See, I got it. Your buddy, you know, David Crumholtz is in it too.

[48:05] Adrian Garzillo: Bernard.

[48:06] Robert Bannon: Bernard, yes, he is there. He is in it. He was there last he I don't know if he was I mean he might have been at the Vanity Fair Party. Uh, but you know, uh oddly enough, I know you mentioned about Matt Damon, but Matt Damon was not there.

[48:16] Adrian Garzillo: No, maybe Matt Damon is living his life. He's tired of the Oscar.

[48:20] Robert Bannon: Well, he was in Oppenheimer. Oh, the very big role in Oppenheimer. So for him, I mean he may have been filming. So I and Leo kind of wasn't there either, but he wasn't nominated, so no, he's tired too. He was probably out with um supermodel. You know what they said about Leo. Like, did you see that supermodel who said he wears headphones when he's in an intimate moment with you?

[48:45] Adrian Garzillo: Oh no, I did not know that.

[48:48] Robert Bannon: Apparently, he wears headphones and like disconnects from very interesting. Hollywood is a special, special place, and we are excited to cover it. And we were I was pretty well behaved on this episode.

[49:01] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, I think we both were pretty good.

[49:03] Robert Bannon: I think we both were pretty good. Well, stick with us. We have a big announcement this week on the bro uh on the uh on the Broadway Podcast Network and about the round table, about the future of the round table. So stay tuned for Friday. Join us this Thursday on the live YouTube show where Janet Hubert is here. She's the original Aunt Viv from Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Plus, there's a daily show that's going up on the Broadway Podcast Network every single day this week. Um including all sorts of people. The current Celine Dion in Titanic uh is gonna be here, Nicole Parker, and um the one of the stars of Days of Wine and Roses is gonna like we have we are stacked here on the Broadway Podcast Network with the podcast.

And if you haven't checked out the podcast this morning, that uh yesterday, excuse me, because today is Tuesday, Monday. Well, we're taping this on Monday. We're putting it up on Tuesday. Gotcha. The Monday episode is a conversation with music with uh with with what you know. I'm this is a lot. There's so many things going on.

[50:09] Adrian Garzillo: No, you can't keep up.

[50:11] Robert Bannon: You've got there's so much content that's coming. It's gonna be so amazing. It'll be fabulous. Just go on and watch, listen, stream, share it with a friend, put it on. If you if you have like a neighbor who has has um, oh god, now I'm gonna get myself in trouble. So I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. If you have a neighbor who's an em mobile, just hit play and let them all play for entertainment.

[50:30] Adrian Garzillo: Yes, there you go.

[50:31] Robert Bannon: If you if you're a nurse at a nursing home, just leave the round table on in every room and they will all instantly be put to sleep. We follow me at Robert Bannon on Instagram, go to AMC Disney for to follow Adrian and watch us. You can go to RobertBannon.com for more information. I hope to see you on June 14th at 54 Below. A will be there so you can say hello to her as well. And I will see you all again next time. The best is yet to come. Happy Oscar Day. Let's make good movies. Let's make good art. And I'll see you next time. Thanks, eh.

[50:56] Adrian Garzillo: Bye.