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[0:10] Robert Bannon: Are you ready? It's the round table with me, Robert Bannon. You know, as a kid growing up, I was kind of obsessed with Liza Minnelli, obsessed. My grandmother had a VHS tape of a pay-per-view, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., and Liza Minnelli at the Fox Theater in Detroit. When I was in Detroit and I got to see the Fox Theater, you would have thought it was like seeing Paul McCartney. I was, it was such a vision and a part of my childhood. And I had heard for many years from the Patty LaBelle live album from Reba McIntyre and from Liza about Billy Stritch. And then from Liza about Jim Caruso. So getting to see them and getting to know them and getting to see them work and be a part of what they do in New York City and across the country was such a joy.

So I invited Billy and Jim to come on and pop on and talk about music, Birdland, recording in these days, and the cast party, which is legendary on Monday nights at the legendary Birdland. So here are the legendary Billy Stritch and Jim Caruso.

[1:10] Robert Bannon: You know, there are New York staples. There are things that are just a part of the landscape of New York City. Birdland is one of them. Our next two guests are definitely one of them. I was growing up hearing about Jim and Billy with Liza, obsessed with the Liza Alive albums, hearing them play.

[1:45] Robert Bannon: Hello. Listen, you can hear the virtual applause.

[1:51] Jim Caruso: I can hear it.

[1:51] Robert Bannon: Look, we're in New York Staples. See? Sorry. Never mind. Did you have that there just in case?

[1:56] Jim Caruso: It was right in front of me, so I couldn't resist it.

[2:00] Jim Caruso: I like how you said you grew up watching us. So that makes me feel real young.

[2:03] Robert Bannon: I know. Did you hear me say, oh dear God?

[2:07] Jim Caruso: No, you weren't on yet, but I could hear you.

[2:09] Robert Bannon: I was in my 30s when I meant that when I was when I was okay. I'm excited to talk to you because I see you guys out and about, and I love your work, and I have I love the cast party and I love Birdland and I love the lineup, which is on the Tuesdays and everything that you plan and Jim and everything that you're there, but I don't get to have a chance to know what's the what goes on in here and what's the story. So I'm so excited about what goes on in here.

[2:35] Jim Caruso: Yeah, exactly.

[2:36] Jim Caruso: I'm laughing. What does go on in here?

[2:39] Billy Stritch: Absolutely nothing.

[2:41] Jim Caruso: I don't believe that's desolate, it's a desert of sadness.

[2:46] Robert Bannon: It's a wasteland. While you're here on a stream yard virtual, you both did this pandemic thing. I think you were one of the first people to jump on it. I know that Seth and James and etc. And a million people did it, but I remember the virtual cast party and I remember Billy's place. Jim, what was it like to walk back into Birdland or back on a stage, Billy, and leave the apartment and be now back in person every single Monday night at Birdland everybody?

[3:15] Jim Caruso: I will say I enjoyed the hell out of producing pajama cast party. I mean, not that I want a pandemic again or for illness or for that kind of agony, but I really enjoyed the process of putting a virtual show together every week. It certainly gave me a reason to live.

[3:39] Jim Caruso: Um and to do what I've always done, which is booking and promoting and working with my graphic artist every week and all that stuff. It was all of a sudden, was it three weeks into the pandemic? I had a job again, and it was a fantastic way to spend whatever it was, 85 weeks or however many we did. We did one every week, thanks to Ruby Lochner and you know, and the guests, Billy.

[4:10] Billy Stritch: Same thing. I mean, I actually about five, four days after the lockdown, my neighbor at the time, Linda Lavin, who lived just three flights above, decided that we should do something online, which was like a face. So we ended up doing like a Facebook thing every Wednesday afternoon. And then about two months into that, I thought I should do my own show. So I started doing Thursday nights, and I could have done it without my partner, Doug Major, co-producing it with me. And you know, every week it was a different hour of music, different composer or different salute to a different singer or style.

[4:46] Billy Stritch: Um but what's so gratifying is that now that we're working out in public and traveling again, and it's even better than it was before. Literally everywhere I go, I have people tell me how much they appreciated those live streams. And it's so gratifying three years later to hear that, you know.

[5:05] Billy Stritch: I'm not I did feel it at the time, but it to have people remember it so fondly is really great. Really great the power of this is amazing to me. And I knew it in my brain, but but I had never really, I mean, of this meaning virtual. Yes, I don't know what that sounded or looked like. Um to actually go through it. This was a great learning experience.

[5:34] Billy Stritch: And um to uh I might never get over it. I think it's so cool.

[5:39] Robert Bannon: Well, some beautiful out of this terrible time, some beautiful things did come out and about. Speaking of, you know, Billy's Place, albums, everybody streaming, stream and buy and buy a physical copy and stream away. Billy, your album, Billy's Place came out from the pandemic.

[5:56] Billy Stritch: Yes, absolutely. I went down to Nashville for two days in August of 2020, and I made the album that I've always wanted to make, which was just me and the piano. Just and I didn't have to run it by anyone else, and luckily Club 44 took that idea and rang with it. They made that come true for me, and it was mixed and mastered and out in about three weeks, and it's just because nobody else was working.

[6:21] Robert Bannon: Yeah, exactly. So didn't you fly down there? You flew to Nashville and you're the only one on the plane?

[6:26] Billy Stritch: I was there were 13 people on the plane. I always say it was like my favorite flight ever. You know, people were saying, Are you are you crazy? Aren't you scared to fly? I'm like, bring it on. I loved it because there was no one in the airport, no one on the plane, you know, it was fine.

[6:39] Jim Caruso: We were brave.

[6:40] Billy Stritch: I think show people were very brave during that period.

[6:44] Jim Caruso: We are we were and are.

[6:46] Billy Stritch: We are.

[6:48] Robert Bannon: The army of entertainers, you know.

[6:50] Jim Caruso: That's it.

[6:51] Robert Bannon: That's it.

[6:51] Jim Caruso: Well, Jim and Billy, Jim, tell me, how did this how did this start? How did you two being synonymous with working together? You know, that every Monday, everyone you could see them at Birdland, you can come up and sing. Jim will introduce you, Billy will play for you. I mean, does it get better than that? How did this begin this relationship?

[7:09] Billy Stritch: With high fashion modeling, yeah. Hand modeling for me.

[7:12] Jim Caruso: Uh no. Well, Jim and I have been friends for almost 40 years. So I'll start there. And then we moved to New York within a month of each other back in 1990.

[7:25] Billy Stritch: Um, so I mean, our careers have really gone like this together.

[7:29] Jim Caruso: Uh, and we've just been like besties all this time.

[7:32] Billy Stritch: Now, Jim, you tell them how cast party started.

[7:35] Jim Caruso: Oh, well, Cast Party started because I had quit show business. And and show business oh, hi. And show business was furious.

[7:47] Billy Stritch: Yeah.

[7:48] Jim Caruso: And uh so I became out many things. I be I tried to be a TV producer, I did some of that, and I became a publicist.

[7:58] Billy Stritch: Uh some of that.

[8:00] Jim Caruso: And while I was a publicist, one of my jobs was to promote this new little nightclub lounge. And there was nothing going on, so I was writing press releases for drink specials.

[8:13] Billy Stritch: And um, I decided that was dull.

[8:16] Jim Caruso: So I threw a party. Everybody came. This was at a place called the King Kong Room. Everybody came. Uh Billy was there, all of our fancy friends, all of our uh up and coming friends, everybody sang till the wee hours. The next day the club called and said, Would you do that every Monday? Which is Broadway's dark night.

[8:36] Jim Caruso: And I said, Okay, who's gonna come?

[8:40] Billy Stritch: Uh but we did, and we started to promote it.

[8:44] Jim Caruso: We gave it a name, and um it started. It was not on purpose. I do not go to open mic nights, I do not find them particularly interesting, and yet ours kind of took off, certainly because of the high quality of musicianship on stage.

[9:05] Billy Stritch: Daniel Glass on drums, Steve Doyle on bass, the quality of Birdland, the sound, the lights, the food, the staff.

[9:15] Jim Caruso: It it was I had no idea anybody needed or wanted an open mic night, but uh I don't think they really did, you know.

[9:24] Billy Stritch: That's no nobody it was a thing, it was just time for cast party.

[9:32] Jim Caruso: I don't know how else to put it. And we lecked we lucked into a thing.

[9:37] Billy Stritch: I've been waiting my whole life to find the thing, and um this ended up being the thing.

[9:45] Jim Caruso: Yeah, I mean, I really have a lot of admiration for Jim because you know he really created a thing, and he works very, very hard at it, and it's become something that we not only do in New York, but we travel all over the country and we've gone to London several times to do it.

[10:01] Billy Stritch: We're going there again in November.

[10:02] Jim Caruso: I mean, Jim really really works hard, and that's where all of his skills at hosting and PR and people skills and getting just writing press releases and all that stuff really comes together, and uh, you know, he's created something really special that uh people love, you know, and I'm thrilled to be part of it.

[10:22] Billy Stritch: It's just been a great run, and it's gonna it doesn't seem to ever going to end, so that's okay. So we're a hundred years old and we're still doing it. We just took 20 years, so yeah. Twenty years at Birdland. Billy, do you ever get someone's sheet music, or does someone show up after 20 years and you're still surprised and shocked? Like, what are you doing here? You're singing that song? Or what do you still have moments where you think?

[10:51] Billy Stritch: Well, pretty often. I mean, you know, um, um, I mean, I get everything. Some people come fully prepared, they know they may not have the sheet music, but it's a standard, they know their key. Uh, that's great. Or if they bring the music and it's taped nicely, that's great. Uh, but quite often that doesn't happen. People don't know their key, or they favorite. One of my favorite things is they brought the music, it was all taped together. We're doing it, and I'm reading, you know, it wasn't a song I was terribly familiar with, and we're going along, we're going along, and we get to the and I'm at the last page, and I realize, oh, that's not the end of it. Well, they had left the last page off. So it was like, you know, then you just kind of have to guess how it's gonna end, you know. It's like, okay. I mean, there have been moments like that.

[11:39] Jim Caruso: What about when they were taped upside down?

[11:41] Billy Stritch: Yes, that's happened. Taped upside down, taped out of order, taped from page 10 all the way to page one all the way backwards. Uh people have brought their phones. I won't play music off a phone because grandpa's blind, so that's it. Uh, you know, and I don't really even like an iPad, but I will do that. But uh, you know, just everything. I will say that uh I was never a particularly good sight reader, uh, but after 20 years of Mondays doing it, I become a really good sight reader. So I can pretty much handle anything that's thrown in my direction.

[12:13] Jim Caruso: Uh Jim, how do you you've had some of the most iconic legendary voices in the world who have graced the stage of Cast Party? What is it like when somebody shows up or reaches out that they want to be there? And can you tell us a little bit of some of the highlights? Some of your favorite moments.

[12:28] Jim Caruso: Oh man. Well, a lot of the favorite moments are star-studded, and then some of them are not, are just up and comers and kids that come in that are so adorable and ridiculously talented. Um, you know, the the stars certainly got us mentioned in the papers and in page six and in you know the the rags and stuff, which has been uh which was key in the beginning. When Liza would come every week, it was unbelievable. Yeah. Uh every week we'd get press and pictures and the paper and stuff. Uh so she was like the godmother of Cast Party. But you know, Natalie Cole, Betty Comden, yeah. Um uh uh Dame Edna, Michael Feinstein, um God, Billy, who else? Um Tony Bennett and Shirley Bassey came. She didn't sing, but she did come.

I mean, Marilyn Mays come really often. Uh, you know, all the cabaret people you can think of, you know, that are working now, Natalie Douglas, Karen Mason, Ann Hampton Callaway, uh, Gabrielle Stravelli, I mean, those are Broadway people, uh, and what's not so long that we we generally know that we're gonna have a handful of really good people every Monday, you know, in addition to also other people, like Jim says. But uh, you know, the quality is pretty up there. So uh, you know, luckily we have some great regular people who show up pretty often. So uh that's helped us for sure.

[14:04] Billy Stritch: But to get those kids like this little 13-year-old girl would come in every week in in very expensive dresses and Lou Boutan shoes and just swell looking put together kid. And she would sing Aretha Franklin songs. Well, she became Ariana Grande. Um she was Ariana Grande then, but nobody nobody knew. Um Ian, uh what's his face from um Oh my god. Oh, from Young Sheldon. That that looked like young Sheldon, yeah, Ian uh used to come in at as for as a four-year. Well, he was a four-year-old, he wasn't as a four-year-old as a four-year portraying a four-year-old. He came dressed as a four-year-old and would sing stars from Le Miz. What? Yeah, and then just kids right off the bus who have read about Cast Party, who come in and say, I just got into town, I just moved here.

And you know, that takes me right back to when I would come to town and go to Don't Tell Mama and Wish that I could, you know, do that. And you know, it it it's very um, I get very nostalgic when those people come in because I know exactly what that feels like, and to be part of somebody's history in as a New Yorker, that's a very cool thing.

[15:27] Jim Caruso: Yes, absolutely. I'm I'm also keenly aware when someone is making their first appearance in New York or on a stage, that we're giving them a wonderful memory and a wonderful uh start. And uh so it's all about them, you know. I uh if the if the key isn't not quite right, I very often will stop early on and say, let's get this in the right key, you know, because I want them to be really comfortable. And my band goes right along with it. So Steve and Daniel, uh, we're a great unit. And you know, that's it. I I it's all for them. It's not about me, it's not about Jim, it's about those performers. You know, we're giving them something, and it's gratifying. It really is. And if you're in New York or if you're when they're on the road, you got to follow them on social media, and you'll see they have a lot of dates.

You can go to the websites and it's at Jim Caruso One on Instagram or at Billy Stritch on on Instagram as well. And you could go to their websites as well. And if you want to come to Birdland and get tickets, go to Birdland Jazz.com while we're talking about it right now, here and now.

[16:26] Robert Bannon: But I wanted to say to you, when I think of you both, yeah, I I think of your synonymous with Miss Minelli herself with Liza. When when that when that started, you know, coming from where you both come from, moving to New York, like starting this journey, and then to have the opportunity to not only tour with Miss Manelli, but also do Broadway with her and become very close to her musically and personally for many years. How do you how do you even look back and I can't even fathom as a kid who grew up watching, you know, the ultimate event with Frank and Sammy and Liza on VHS pay-per-view over and over again to see her to work on work with her the way you both did.

[17:03] Billy Stritch: Listen, I was a kid who was uh I I remember very well having the record album, the year the cabaret came out, and the year was the oh that I love that. Uh the year cabaret and Liza with a Z, you know, that was 72. So I was a fan, and then imagine me playing in a nightclub, and I'm 29 years old, a little club on 44th Street, and the owner says she's sitting over there, and you know, so she came over. I played a song that got her attention, and she came over, and that was the beginning that night, March 7th, 1991. Huh, never forget it. Uh, was the night that it all started. And then, you know, Liza, you know, wanted to meet all of my friends. She didn't really know this cabaret nightclub world. So that's how she met Jim and Ann Happen Callaway and so many other people, and she became just like one of the group. And you know, it's just this solid friendship that we've all had with her since 91. So it's it's she's been an incredible force for us for sure.

[17:51] Jim Caruso: One of the group with a much better apartment.

[18:12] Billy Stritch: Well, yeah, absolutely.

[18:14] Jim Caruso: Yeah, for sure. But uh, but she didn't act like she was like fancy or anything. I mean, she was just thrilled to show us off, you know. It was great. And I think she was thrilled to bring us to her life, which was a fancy life. Uh, I mean, I think she kind of loved seeing our faces kind of like, you know, our jaws drop when we would meet Sondheim and Kandor and Ebb, and you know, the uh Asnavore and the P the people that she hung out with on a daily basis, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor, you know, yeah, she must have been. I mean, because that's thrilling to be able to give that as a gift to your friends, absolutely.

[19:01] Billy Stritch: Absolutely. Um I don't I couldn't even put into words.

[19:06] Jim Caruso: I mean, that is insane.

[19:08] Billy Stritch: I can barely put it into words myself, Robert. You know, that's it.

[19:11] Robert Bannon: Yeah, Billy, I have to say we do. Of course, it's your life. This is your real life.

[19:16] Billy Stritch: This is a real life.

[19:18] Robert Bannon: This is real life. Billy, I got the chance to see you uh with play from Melissa Manchester uh not too long ago.

[19:24] Jim Caruso: Yeah, you Billy plays for everyone.

[19:28] Robert Bannon: If you're out here, it could be Melissa Manchester today, it could be a housewife tomorrow, it could be Marilyn May, it could be Tony Bennett, it could be across the board. Many styles of music. How do you write you all know the the Reba Linda song? You know, that if you've been heartbroken and cheated on and you've played Billy's song on repeat, you know, he doesn't love does he love you? Does he love you like he loves me? I get so nervous when I talk about this because he doesn't love you.

[19:57] Billy Stritch: I'm obsessed with Reba a little bit, Billy.

[19:59] Billy Stritch: Well, yeah, I guess you should be. I said it at Cat's Party. I got on stage and I said Billy Stritch is real, and he wrote the song. I mean, that is like it is a moment, everyone. I mean, that was a fabulous moment, and it that song took on a life of its own. I'm forever grateful for that for sure. It was just recorded again by Reba and some upstart. What's her name?

[20:23] Billy Stritch: Some young. So yeah, I had two times it was a hit, so that was good. I love the fact that I, you know, accompanying us is so gratifying to me because I love collaborating. I'm very happy to do my own show by myself, but it's so much more fun for me to spark ideas off of somebody else in rehearsal and on stage, and to have, you know, and luckily it's with people who really are simpatico with me, like Christine Ebersole. No one laughs as much with—I mean, we laugh all the time, and we have the same kind of taste. And Hampton Callaway is the same way. Linda Lavin, one of our Jim and I's best friends of the world, you know, it's just thrilling to be a sought-after accompanist. I'm very lucky to do that.

I'm lucky people, you know, seek me out for that. And don't you think, don't you think you love that? And I love that because of our both of our desperate need to be part of the 1960s, 1970s variety shows that we grew up watching, the Carol Burnett Show, the Donnie and Marie Show, the Sonny and Cher Show. You just want to laugh with people on stage. You want them to sing a little, be funny a little.

[21:51] Jim Caruso: That's right. Was it our obsession?

[21:54] Billy Stritch: Yeah, the WW2. We started talking about the Carol Burnett Show.

[22:00] Jim Caruso: Yeah.

[22:00] Billy Stritch: And I think I personally never cared about being the best singer or a soloist or anything. I wanted to have a fun time and entertain people. For me, it's like, you know, there's a difference between being a musician and a great musician, and then being an entertainer and being into showbiz. And that's what I like. When my grandmother took me to see Ginger Rogers doing Maine, Debbie Reynolds doing her act when I was nine, ten, eleven years old, I was like, that's what I want to do. You know, and I played the piano already, so I knew I was going to do that. But I wanted to be up there entertaining people. And that's what I also love to see. I mean, I love jazz musicians, but you know, a little of that goes a long way for me. I want to be really entertained, you know, and so I love to work with these people.

[22:56] Jim Caruso: Well, some do ride that fine line.

[22:58] Billy Stritch: They do. I mean, gosh, Benny Benack, Harry Connick, John Pizzarelli are great musicians and entertaining.

[23:07] Jim Caruso: Oh, yeah, just not just so into their music that like the audience is left out. I want to be brought into the fun for sure. And if you want to be brought into the fun at home, you guys have a brand new—well, it's not brand new, but it is if it's new to you—you need to stream it right now. Sunday Set is a beautiful recorded live right there at Birdland Theater, which is so gorgeous. So there's a physical copy right there. What is it?

[23:35] Billy Stritch: You can have this one. You could have that copy. Just come on over. Jim, what was the idea? What is this album about?

[23:47] Jim Caruso: Um, we did a wildly successful run at the new Birdland Theater when it opened. Um, and we recorded it because it was—it was because why not? Why not? And, um, like a year later, there was this pandemic. I don't know if y'all heard about it, it was horrible. And, um, we had not—I had nothing to do. So I started listening to recordings and looking at old pictures and, you know, doing just cleaning up everything. And I heard the recording of this, and I was like, this is actually kind of good. And I called Billy, I said, listen to this. And he said, oh, that's kind of good. So we sent it to our dear producer at Club 44 record label. They're the most supportive, the most kind, and they listened to it and they said, "Well, this is pretty good. Let's do a live album from Birdland." So they did. This was during the pandemic. We released it, and just all hell broke loose. No kidding.

[25:01] Billy Stritch: No, but it's so fantastic to have a look. There's Steve Doyle in the back too. We have to mention him on bass. Um, it's been, you know, to have a product to be a recording artist in these weird times is so cool to me. And to have a label that's supportive is unheard of. Also, speaking of recording, Christmas is just around the corner. And you know, we have, as I'm sure you know, oh, there you go, Jim. We have—there you go. See, this was the first album we did for Club 44. We did it in 2019, and you know, Clea and Jim and I, Clea Blackhurst and Jim and I have been doing this show since 2011, I think, every year. Um, and so we did this album in 2019. I guess it was the 10th anniversary it came out.

Um, and it's so much fun. I mean, it's all the songs we love and that we do with Daniel and Steve. Um, and at one point we were recording, and Jim said, you know, I wonder, wouldn't it be fun if we could get Dave Koz and maybe Donny Osmond to be on the album? Like, well, let's call him. Let's see. And wouldn't you know? He emailed both of them, and within two days, they both said, I'm in. So we have these great guest stars, and it's just—I love that. I'm still in love with this album four years later, which I never am. So that's—it's the variety show we always wanted, too. It sounds like a 70s variety show. It looks like a 70s variety show. It is pure happiness, and I think it's also a project due to our musicians, our record label, the artists, all that is like one of the most pleasant situations, professional situations I've ever had in my life.

[26:57] Jim Caruso: We're still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[27:00] Billy Stritch: Everybody did their job, everybody was lovely and kind, and maybe it's the Christmas of it all, but it was just a great experience. It's good. We'll be doing this show again this year for the 14th year, December twenty-first through twenty-fifth, like we always do at Birdland. It can't say we don't keep ad stuff.

[27:22] Jim Caruso: Yes.

[27:22] Billy Stritch: Yeah, it's definitely right. A Christmas tradition, go to birdlandjazz.com and get your tickets. You could stream the album so you're familiar, but you're gonna be familiar with these songs and see them on stage, add her to the mix and her voice. Nothing is more jolly and joyful and fun for the holidays than that, that's for sure.

[27:41] Robert Bannon: You are both such a pleasure and a joy. Our homework, everyone, is we're going to follow Billy, we're going to follow Jim. We are going to go to birdlandjazz.com. We're gonna pick a Monday, we're gonna go, we're gonna have the salmon salad, we're gonna sign up to sing, and we're gonna have a moment up on stage, and then you're gonna come back for Christmas, and you're gonna see them do their Christmas show this December. Save the dates right now.

[28:04] Jim Caruso: Save the dates right now.

[28:06] Robert Bannon: People visit in the holidays. If you're wherever you are, nothing is like Christmas in New York City. So listen, we have people who come every year. And what's fun about the show is that we do it all the way up through Christmas night. And Christmas night is the best because by that point, if you celebrate Christmas at all, it's over by Christmas night. And people yet they want to do one more thing to kind of hang on to the season. So it's so much fun. It's so much fun to be. It's also great if you're with your family and you have absolutely nothing else to say to them. You can come to our show. You can sit there and just be like, it's right. It's great, isn't it? It's at 5:30, so you can come, you're out of there by seven. You can go on to the theater, you can go on, you can go on with your night. So, uh, have we sold it hard enough for you?

[28:56] Robert Bannon: I mean, I'm sold. It's our favorite thing to do. It is so much. Yep. I'm sold. I'm also sold on how much I appreciate you both. I literally know, uh, um, uh, it is not lost on me the amount of amazing work that you do, how much you give a lending help and hand to so many artists out there that are trying to make it in New York City. I mean, you can't find a singer in New York City or a musician who has not been helped by Jim and Billy, and you guys, uh, thank you for all that you do for all of us, truly.

[29:24] Jim Caruso: Thank you. We have a lot of help. We had a lot of help coming up, so it's great, great to pass that along for sure.

[29:30] Robert Bannon: I'm gonna have to see you on a Monday night, then that's it.

[29:33] Jim Caruso: Good.

[29:33] Robert Bannon: All right, great. Please come sing with us, Robert.

[29:36] Jim Caruso: Okay, deal.

[29:37] Robert Bannon: That's a deal. It's a date. There you have it. I hope to see you there on a Monday night. If you're looking for more entertainment every single day, week, month, minute. I don't know how often we put this show out. We've been putting out a lot of them, and I'm so grateful you're here to watch them. Watch and listen to us on the Broadway Podcast Network or on the YouTube channel. Subscribe to the YouTube channel. Download the podcast, be it everywhere. You can be running on the treadmill, driving your car, sitting in your bed, watching me. It's the Roundtable where artists talk about art. I'm Robert Bannon. If you want more information about me, go to robertbannon.com and follow me on Instagram at Robert M B A N N O N. Till next time, everybody, the best is yet to come. See you again real soon. Bye everyone.