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[0:15] Robert Bannon: Welcome to the round table, everybody. My name is Robert Bannon. You're listening to some Broadway Podcast Network or watching us on Broadway World. School is I'm in the school still. I just my work is never done, people. That's it. This is the life of a teacher. All teachers, after they teach the children, speak to cabaret music superstars and producers who have shows that are going on in the Laurie Beechman, which thank God is still open. Shout out to DeAngoras. Thank you to my friends over there who just decided to have all of their money and buy this space. And thank God that they did, because then people like Cynthia Kaplan could come on. Me and Cynthia have a lot of things in common. We both have never been on Law and Order.

Neither of us have been on Law and Order. And well, and that's where our commonalities end because she's actually really funny. And um, and and I I think I am in my head. We have Cynthia Kaplan here. We have Dani Davis here. She's a producer that I don't know, she's won awards and has oh, she also probably has made a ton of money being a producer. She probably could have bought the Laurie Beechman herself. Dani Davis and Cynthia Kaplan, welcome to the round table.

[1:18] Cynthia Kaplan: Thank you, Robert. It's nice to be here.

[1:21] Dani Davis: Robert, why didn't you buy the Beachman? What's going on?

[1:24] Dani Davis: Well, I obviously would have, except that I had college tuition and you know, all of that kind of hanging me up and in the way. And the, you know, the dog care expenses.

[1:37] Robert Bannon: I get that. It's always an excuse involving a dog. Always, Dani. Dani, if you're providing college for children and family, I'm up for adoption. I've really yeah, and I'll come home for Christmas and I'll I'll buy you, you. You know, I'll do whatever you want. That's better than what my kids are doing now. This is Hanukkah. I'll celebrate, I celebrate all the holidays. All the holidays. All right. Thank you, Dani. My name is I'm now Robert Davis. Cynthia, what is your show?

[2:08] Cynthia Kaplan: Um my show is called Cindy of Arc. It is a comedy and rock extravaganza about the problem men have with lying and where that's gotten the rest of us, particularly women, uh, and Jews, because those are my specialties. And it's it's it's a sort of a march through times, starting with the dawn of man, about how men have defined women through the ages and how ridiculous that is. I really look at these. We look at these classic stories from history and mythology and religion and politics, and I break them down and we figure out why they're just not true. Um, and then by the end, we've pretty much convinced people that they need to join my army and dismantle the patriarchy. That's the show with a hot rock band and um 10 songs, and uh it's really fun. It's really fun.

[3:11] Robert Bannon: So, Cynthia, you didn't just decide to just like have a little like a little light topic. Like you go back in time, you decided let's just hit the patriarchy from the beginning of time.

[3:23] Cynthia Kaplan: You know, it every time I thought I had found the source, it just kept coming back at me. Nope, it's here. I it just kept I it wasn't my fault. It kept moving back back and back and back, you know, sort of pre-God, if you will.

[3:41] Robert Bannon: Absolutely pre-God era. Well, I'm excited because I saw some clips of you online on your website, which you can everyone could go to CindyofArc.com and you could see clips and you can see how you do it. You have this fun band and you wrote these songs and you tell this story. How does Dan and I have a lot to say about the top as a man? See, I used to be a straight man and I was married to a woman. Okay. And then when I was 31, I became a gay man. And dating men and dealing with men is a very different, like men are very intriguing people as a man.

[4:15] Dani Davis: No shit.

[4:17] Robert Bannon: They're kind of assholes. You know, when it didn't come from me. I'm saying it as a man. Not me. I've never been one day.

[4:31] Dani Davis: No, you're clearly delighted.

[4:32] Robert Bannon: This is a whole other podcast.

[4:35] Dani Davis: Yes.

[4:37] Robert Bannon: I mean, I think we've just unlocked something.

[4:41] Dani Davis: Exactly. This is Cynthia Kaplan and Dani Davis interviewing Robert Bannon.

[4:46] Robert Bannon: No, please. No, no.

[4:47] Dani Davis: So I just say that I relate to the subject matter because I went to my cousins and I said, my female cousins and said, You're married, you've dated men. Is this how men are? And they said, Yes, this is how men treat women and other people all the time. I don't think men know that because they're so Dani, how did you find Cynthia? How did you find Cynthia? And then what is your role in her madness?

[5:17] Dani Davis: It's it's fabulous. So Cindy and I sort of knew about each other out in the world, and then our daughters became close. They remain best friends from LaGuardia High School for the Performing Arts. And so Cindy and I became friends through the kids. And Cindy said, Hey, I've got this play. I'm working on this character. I'm working on this idea of patriarchal systems and what's happened to both men and women over the ages under these systems. You want to look at this with me? I was like, yeah, because I knew her to be one of the smartest writers I'd ever read. So the fact that she even wanted to ask me about it was fascinating. And then I also knew her songs were ridiculous and risky and funny as all get out.

So, and I love all of that stuff. So we sat down, and that's how it started. And it was right before the pandemic shut us all down. Um, and so we spent lots of time developing it and digging in and building up what I believe is one of the smartest, most clever, non-victimy, you know, assessments of society and what's broken and how we got here and how we can maybe go fix it.

[6:32] Robert Bannon: So now what if people are watching? What we got here is Cynthia is the star and the writer and the singer and the the whole shebang. And Dani is the director of the piece.

[6:42] Dani Davis: Yeah.

[6:43] Dani Davis: Dani is an Emmy winning, Tony winning fancy person who has and then aside from that, she's directed this piece that Cynthia stars in.

[6:56] Dani Davis: Which I am most proud of. This has been an extraordinary journey. Um, you know, Cindy's also a Tour De Force on stage, you know, at one person shows are so so difficult for the performer, and that relationship that Cindy builds with the audience as Cindy of Arc is just genius. And like she says, she gets this army of the audience at the end, and everyone's in, and everyone feels smarter when they leave and appreciative, and they've had a really good time. And I don't know. I just I'm just glad to have something so um so timely, but also so smart to just be part of. You know what I mean? I'm just like, I feel proud of that.

[7:42] Robert Bannon: Absolutely. So Cynthia, I don't know you. I want to call you Cindy, but I'm scared.

[7:47] Cynthia Kaplan: You can call me Cindy.

[7:48] Robert Bannon: Call me Cindy. You can call me call me Raven.

[7:52] Dani Davis: Right.

[7:52] Robert Bannon: Okay, Cindy. I'm allowed to be a little bit more than a call me Cindy. Nobody calls me Cynthia, not even my parents.

[8:00] Cynthia Kaplan: Yeah.

[8:02] Robert Bannon: I the timeliness of it is you've been doing this for a moment. When did you write? When did you originally write this? When did this debut?

[8:08] Cynthia Kaplan: We I started writing it the very end of 2019. It had its first um reading in the fall in on Zoom for Naked Angels in August of 2020. Um, then in October, we looked at what we had, and we Dani somehow found her friend's barn performing barn for us up in Cape Co. And we brought the band and a bunch of cameras up and we shot it like a concert film and edited and sent it to festivals and had it had a festival life. And then I rewrote it and we um what was the question? No, we started.

[8:47] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh, well, when do we say so? We and so we've been developing, we workshopped it at Dixon Place for four shows, which were fantastic. I learned a lot then, rewrote it again, put it up again for three nights at the Five Angels Theater at the 52nd Street Project, which is like my favorite my I'm very involved in them as an organization. And so that was thrilling. Learned a lot, rewrote it, and then it really took off in um a year ago in November. We were asked to open Intimon Theater's 50th anniversary season in Seattle. And so we brought the show there with full band. Uh I've got a fantastic uh keyboard player, uh lead guitarist and a drummer, and we did it there. Then we went and did it in Baltimore at Baltimore Theater Project.

Then we did the Philly Fringe, and now we're back in New York. Um, and every time I do it, I learn something from the audience, I learn something from my own brain, and I hone it and rewrite it. It's become more evergreen, which is really important to me because as timely as it is, I don't think the moment is going to be over anytime soon. And one of the reasons it's so grounded in history is because anything new that happens, anything current doesn't feel um it it feels part of a continuum of patriarchal um uh horror.

[10:08] Cynthia Kaplan: I don't know, I couldn't come up with a better word than it. It's the story of the patriarchy, and every new thing that happens is part of that history, it's part of that timeline.

[10:18] Dani Davis: So yeah, not to be too happy about it.

[10:23] Cynthia Kaplan: No, it's a heavy, no, it's not a TED talk, I swear to god, it's not a TED talk. At one point, everybody suffers from being a part of that patriarchal system, men and women, but it's not just women who are victimized.

[10:37] Dani Davis: No, it's just we're all caught inside of this weird structure and system that's really not serving us.

[10:43] Cynthia Kaplan: And men really love the show. They don't feel bad afterwards. They're like, oh yeah, uh, sorry.

[10:54] Dani Davis: There's a lot of apologizing after the show from that.

[10:57] Cynthia Kaplan: And but it's heartfelt and not at all defensive.

[11:00] Dani Davis: No.

[11:01] Cynthia Kaplan: No, I understand. And if you watch clips, everybody, you'll see that the show is a lot of fun. And you're with a very serious topic, especially in a time where sexism and religious discrimination, you know, anti-Semitism across the board is up crazy numbers, and we live in a scary time.

[11:18] Dani Davis: I just interviewed, um, not that this is about me again, but um, I just interviewed Adam Kitzinger who was, uh, to talk about his and I love him. How scared are should we be? You know, how scared should we be?

[11:29] Cynthia Kaplan: And his answer was not very um, settling, where he said, "This next year is going to be very hard, like they're going to be hard." So, Cindy, how do you get the courage or the chutzpah to get up out of bed when things can be on fire around us and say, like, I'm gonna do this show and I'm gonna make people laugh and I'm gonna change this world a person by person?

[11:56] Cynthia Kaplan: Because I'm tired.

[11:57] Dani Davis: Yeah, no, it's really easy to stay in bed and watch British police procedurals. I could do that all day. Um, I love performing, I love getting up in front of the audience. I love writing jokes, I love writing music and songs, and it's really fun to get up and have this communal moment with the audience where I'm telling them what I think is the irrefutable truth, and they're getting it.

[12:24] Cynthia Kaplan: And they're laughing, and sometimes they sing along when I invite them, and it's really gratifying. So I get up there and I feel hopeful, um, as opposed to, and then I can just be depressed by myself all the time, but whenever I get out on stage, I feel really hopeful for humanity.

[12:43] Dani Davis: People who come to the theater are wonderful, first of all, let's just say that. Um, so I in some ways I'm cocooned by the beauty of the theater audience and I just also can't help myself. I've been writing about politics and religion and society for as long as I've been writing, um, which is a long time, and so it's just what comes out of my brain.

[13:07] Cynthia Kaplan: I don't really, it's not a choice, it's just what my imagination and my sense of humor is sparked by.

[13:15] Dani Davis: Well, and thank God for it because we get to have the knowledge and the education for it. Danny, on a business side, like a business side note, I mean you are known for producing Alone Some West or Little Women and then all the tours. Like when people around the, I moved to Detroit five months ago, so I've never realized that touring, like from New York.

[13:35] Cynthia Kaplan: So I never realized, you know, when the Fisher, when Shrek was my first tour I saw here at the Fisher and, you know, um, and I didn't realize that when Wedding Singer or Shrek or the shows that come around like this neighborhood, the theater nerds of this neighborhood, like all they have is when Broadway and Detroit comes to town and that the people producing that and putting that together are so important to art around this country because I'm an East Coast New York snob, so I don't think about the people in Michigan wanting to see a Broadway show.

[14:05] Dani Davis: So you get pitched ideas. People want your expertise and want your network and your money and all of these things. Why this show? Like why did this is the one that you said, I want to put my time and energy with this?

[14:18] Cynthia Kaplan: Yeah. I well, I think it was just back to your point though, Robert, about theater. Guess what? All of us who make theater in New York City, guess where we come from? All over the country.

[14:27] Dani Davis: Okay. So the touring audience, the audience out there, um, you know, at the Fisher, at all of these beautiful theaters all over the country, we get out to them because that's where we come from. This is a full circle moment. I love producing tours. It is where my heart absolutely is.

[14:47] Cynthia Kaplan: I love bringing great theater out to people in the country. And I love connecting with all of those people. And I love to get the companies out there connecting with the people on the ground because we all come from there. And we all sat in that theater in our hometowns going, I wonder if I could go to New York and do this. We all did it, right?

[15:04] Dani Davis: Yes. So the thing about Cindy of Arc is I get the privilege because of the work I do in the theater, right? I get the privilege of being able to activate that artist in me who also has a point of view, who believes very strongly in the message that Cindy has.

[15:23] Cynthia Kaplan: And I get to dive in and give myself to that, right? And to contribute as I can. It's just been a thrill to work on something so freaking smart. I really am super proud of it. And I'm proud to have been a collaborator on it. I'm proud that it's out there in the world right now for everybody to laugh at and with and give us hope.

[15:48] Dani Davis: And so anytime I get a chance, when I choose work to direct, I always strive to speak to that part of me where my values live, um, what I hope is meaningful and purposeful about the show, and also what I think brings joy to people. Because that trifecta for me is the reason I bring myself as a creative to anything.

[16:09] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh, that's amazing.

[16:11] Dani Davis: So it's amazing. So Cindy, I'm sure you could dumb the show down. I'm sure you could make it not as smart. I'm sure you could make it more flashy and more, let's just be this spoonful of sugar for the people and not hit them. And you chose, like, no, we're gonna make that, we're gonna teach a lesson. We're gonna keep the integrity of the show. What why was that important for you to find the comedy with the real meat and substance of the subject matter?

[16:40] Cynthia Kaplan: You know, I don't really have a choice. I only, I no, I mean I mean it. I only know I know one way to write, and that is to the very edge. I'm not just like I'm licking the envelope. I'm, you know, I've always done this. I have always written right up to the edge of what people can hear.

[17:02] Dani Davis: And but it's because I feel like I'm cutting to the truth. And that's so important to me that I don't know another way to write. And in fact, I can't write unless I know exactly what I want to say, unless I have a point. You know, I'm an essayist by trade, and that's how I've made a more of a living, besides being an actor.

[17:12] Cynthia Kaplan: And I can't write unless I know the point I want to make, and it's very specific. So I wouldn't know how to, if I dumbed it down, I wouldn't want to act it.

[17:36] Dani Davis: Right.

[17:37] Cynthia Kaplan: Like that just wouldn't be as much fun. And I wouldn't have attracted someone like Danny, who is such an astonishing dramaturg and director. Um, that it's elevated the piece, it's elevated my writing. Um, it's also been incredibly fun. She's become one of my dearest friends. And you can imagine during all this shit storm that is, you know, raining down on our country, what it was like to be able to be on Zoom with her two or three times a week during the pandemic and during the election and all this time talking about how we were going to tell the story and getting the work, you know, and getting it right.

[18:17] Dani Davis: And I don't know. I'm, I don't think people struggle to understand it. I think it's really accessible. It's just, um, it's just I can't go for anything but the hardcore truth.

[18:30] Cynthia Kaplan: And the truth, and the truth is funny. The truth when looked in contrast to what the truth to the truth that's being presented to us when you really get at the truth, the truth of the story of Pandora, the truth about Lady Justice, the truth about Don Quixote, the truth about um Eve and Mary Magdalene, the truth of these stories is actually sort of brutally funny when you think about what has been given to us as the story.

[18:58] Dani Davis: Or at least I, I, it's harsh, but there's humor in truth. I just, I believe that.

[19:07] Cynthia Kaplan: That was a really long-winded way of saying I don't have any, that I can only write what I write. I love, I can't wait to see your show, and I can't wait to see what you say about Eve as a Catholic Italian Catholic boy. I can't wait to hear what you say about Eve and Mary Magdalene. Because I would have hung out with Mary Magdalene too, because I think a prostitute's a good time.

[19:29] Dani Davis: Not in that way, everybody.

[19:30] Cynthia Kaplan: No. I want to slum it. Roger, I'm sorry. You hear about why God chose the baby Jesus?

[19:39] Dani Davis: Wait till you hear.

[19:40] Cynthia Kaplan: I uh, it's really, oh, it's a whole theory. It's a whole theory that I think is totally borne out. Don't you, Danny?

[19:47] Dani Davis: I, it's completely borne out.

[19:49] Cynthia Kaplan: And my Italian Catholic mother gave me the face. This is not okay.

[20:02] Dani Davis: So then Cindy, I am, my grandmother is Virginia Di Meglio, my mother is Rose Antonio Di Meglio, my father is Irish, so I get Robert Bannon, like the guy who used to work at the White House.

[20:14] Cynthia Kaplan: And so I like growing up, you know, the story of Adam and Eve and the story of um Jesus and Mary Matt, like that's taught you verbatim that that is the way of the world.

[20:28] Robert Bannon: So do you get scared, Cindy, to tackle things that are embedded in people's lives and religion?

[20:34] Cynthia Kaplan: They're controversial.

[20:36] Cynthia Kaplan: No, because I feel I feel that my take on it is so reasonable that even if they don't agree, they can hardly take on bridge.

[20:47] Cynthia Kaplan: I mean, I'm sorry. Who sends a baby to do, you know, down to the people to get them to make them behave? I mean, yes, everyone loves a baby, uh uh you know, whatever. But but then the baby grows up and starts preaching it to people, which is what God told him to do, and and they don't like a nooch, so they killed him. I mean, who does that? Who does that? Oh, the Holy Ghost. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, it's genius. If you can't you can't kill him because you can't see him, because he's a ghost. I mean, these are things that seem perfectly reasonable to me. And I don't think they're insulting the religion at all. I believe in religion. I believe in religion. Well, I don't believe in it, I don't believe in God, but I believe in religion for bringing people together and gathering warm coats for people who need them and singing Christmas carols, which I adore.

[21:44] Cynthia Kaplan: As a Catholic, born red. Well, so so the finish to that story, Robert, is that you know, why didn't God just ask Mary to take care of things rather than making Mary go through all the rigmarole of the false birth and this baby, and then the baby dies, you know, she has to watch this kid get, you know, sacrificed on the cross. Yeah, I mean, you know, and all the while Mary could have been lining things up, you know, taking care of business because women are good at that. I mean, if we're gonna depend on her for touchdowns, yeah, the least we can do, how many is is if we can the least we can do is like you know, trust her with some of the important shit.

[22:30] Cynthia Kaplan: So, Robert, you do have to see Cindy Bark because I do think every Catholic I know needs to see Cindy.

[22:36] Robert Bannon: I need to see this now.

[22:37] Cynthia Kaplan: All I know is for all the religions, all the religions, the Jews, the Catholics, the Muslims, everybody is welcome. For me, you know, Christians sometimes get on the Catholics because the Catholics pray to Mary and the Saints and all listen, Mary's a badass, like Mary's Christian.

[22:55] Dani Davis: Totally.

[22:56] Cynthia Kaplan: She's such a badass, and then the football team goes on TV and thanks God. And what about her? Who got the pass caught? Yeah, exactly. It's just it's just wrong. It's wrong. I've but I've met a lot of women who said that they didn't know how they got pregnant too, and they're lies. I know.

[23:13] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh yeah. I'm just saying. I you don't have to. Spring awakening. The whole show is about the whole show. They don't know. How did it happen? How did it happen? It was awkward to watch. Once again, keeping us from knowledge. Yes, the miracle. And that's what it's about. It's you know, as Jimmy Buffett said, Oh no, he didn't say like the the woman to blame, you know.

[23:40] Robert Bannon: That's the whole thing. I so Danny, what is the what come what you just did that you guys just did the show? You just did it like a five minutes ago. And apparently my schedule uh we could had you on before that, but I but I but I want to have you on now for the next one.

[23:56] Dani Davis: So you're gonna announce something in January.

[23:58] Dani Davis: No, it's up again January 24th at the Lori Beachman. It's in residence at the Laurie Beechman, and thanks to the Dangoras for really taking on the West Bank Cafe and the Laurie Beechman and preserving this incredible institution.

[24:13] Dani Davis: So Cindy of Arc is in residence there, which is started in October. Yep, it's great doing it monthly, monthly. Every month, Cindy of Arc will be at the Lori down the stairs, eat a rice ball, have a moment, and oh my god, the best calamari in the city.

[24:31] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh and I don't even like calamari. The food is really good there. It's really good, and the weight staff is great. Everybody there is so fantastic, it's really fun. There's not a bad seat. There's not a bad meal. You can get up close and personal and then you could see. So you could go to CyndiaBart.com and you could get the info and see a clip and get the idea of what's going on.

[24:52] Dani Davis: And then are tickets on sale already for January?

[24:55] Dani Davis: I think so. Yeah. I think so. You could go to the the um West Bank and the Lori Beachman website. You can go to Cyndyavark.com, you can go to CynthiaCaplan.com where I've all my other writing and books and music videos and all that other stuff. You could go to Danny's website, which tells you about her fantastic history in theater. There's a lot of homework to be done actually after this podcast.

[25:18] Cynthia Kaplan: I hear that. Everybody, all I hear is that you all spend a lot of money on website hosting every because when that bill comes to my, I'm saying, is anyone on my website? Why am I? Why do you think I can only afford to do it once a month?

[25:35] Robert Bannon: We should talk about websites.

[25:36] Dani Davis: Do we really um yeah?

[25:41] Cynthia Kaplan: Do anyone does anyone go to Robert Bannon?

[25:44] Robert Bannon: I mean, please go. I forget to go.

[25:45] Cynthia Kaplan: No, Robert, I will go to your website just because you're paying for it. I will go visit.

[25:51] Cynthia Kaplan: I'm gonna go to your both. I mean, I already went to Cyndia Bart because I put in at least 15 minutes of research before this interview.

[25:57] Dani Davis: There you go.

[25:58] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh, I put in more. I did, I really did. And then I don't know Danny's website.

[26:03] Dani Davis: See, you don't need to either.

[26:05] Cynthia Kaplan: That's that's what we're talking about. Now you're we're friends, you could call us up.

[26:09] Robert Bannon: Oh, well, then that's what's gonna. I'm gonna follow you all on Instagram. I'm assuming you have that.

[26:14] Dani Davis: Yep, that's it.

[26:15] Cynthia Kaplan: So I'm so bad at using Instagram.

[26:18] Dani Davis: Could don't you do?

[26:19] Cynthia Kaplan: I okay. I know it's so old timey, but I'm still on Facebook.

[26:24] Dani Davis: Me too.

[26:25] Cynthia Kaplan: All right, I'll bring a friend on Facebook, and then when we put this interview up, it's so good because I could be your friend on Facebook, and then I could say with the two of you, and then your people automatically see it, and then it's wonderful.

[26:35] Dani Davis: Why is that bad?

[26:36] Cynthia Kaplan: That's really good. They're gonna love this, except for maybe our Catholic people. My mother is pretty hip though.

[26:41] Dani Davis: My mother's too, and she has come around.

[26:45] Cynthia Kaplan: I would say she's come around. None of us go to church anymore, which is very going to church.

[26:49] Dani Davis: So there you go.

[26:51] Cynthia Kaplan: Minute I was like the Easter cat, but you know, I'm divorced and I'm gay now, so I'm not like you know, most people that are gay in church are the priests. So now our you know, I'm I yeah.

[27:01] Cynthia Kaplan: Um see Cindy, I blame you because if I'm in trouble now with my 94-year-old grandmother, it's Cynthia Kaplan's fault.

[27:08] Cynthia Kaplan: You know what? I'm very good with old people. You tell her to give me a call and I will talk her down. Okay, I have a gift. I have a gift with old people.

[27:16] Dani Davis: You two are a good time. You get this. You get you get what we do here. So you you're right up my alley. Um come see our show.

[27:27] Cynthia Kaplan: I we'll we'll bring it to bring it to Detroit. Well, I'll be in I'll be in, I come back home every month, so I'll be there for one of your shows for sure.

[27:34] Dani Davis: And then come to if you're ever in Detroit, oh we're gonna I'm bring the people, we're gonna do it.

[27:39] Cynthia Kaplan: Oh I would love to go to Detroit. I've been to Detroit on book tour, so they were fantastic.

[27:46] Dani Davis: Yes.

[27:47] Cynthia Kaplan: Detroit's a great city.

[27:49] Dani Davis: Yeah, it is it's on the upswing and it's very hip and cool to be here.

[27:52] Cynthia Kaplan: It is totally I bought a house for four dollars and seventy-five cents. And you know, this is what makes people upset now that we're here and we're friends.

[28:00] Dani Davis: No, I'm happy for you.

[28:01] Cynthia Kaplan: I bought a house, uh we looked at me and Darius looked at houses in New Jersey, where I grew up in Bergen County by Fortley, and we I found a studio uh uh apartment condo that had taxes were nine thousand dollars a year, and it was about 700 square feet. And I bought a house here in Detroit, four bedrooms, two bathrooms in a in the fancy west side of Detroit area, and I pay twelve hundred dollars a year in taxes, and I bought the house for half of what the studio apartment. So when you when you weigh the it was just like I could live such a different life here and go on vacation and go home all the time as opposed to take a limo back and forth to New York and still not spend as much.

[28:41] Dani Davis: Well, I'm here. Well, and also Robert, just to be part of something that's growing as Detroit is and coming back. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that? You know, like that's amazing.

[28:52] Cynthia Kaplan: But there is something about leaving the New York area because you feel like that's where it's at. There's nothing like New York City and the surrounding area. So that's why people need to come.

[29:01] Dani Davis: So we'll see you for calamari at the calamari.

[29:04] Robert Bannon: I'll be there 24th on the 24th. Drink in hand.

[29:08] Dani Davis: Yes, we're gonna have a comp. Got a comp ready for you. Two comps.

[29:15] Cynthia Kaplan: But I can pay, I swear, I saved all that money on my real estate taxes.

[29:19] Robert Bannon: So I have money.

[29:21] Cynthia Kaplan: Okay, that's I'm gonna take your comp and I'll buy two orders of calamari. Better for the staff.

[29:26] Dani Davis: Okay, even better. Thank you both so much for being here. All of the links, everybody, to buy tickets and all of their social media links and everything about their social security number, bank account information, everything is below right here.

[29:38] Cynthia Kaplan: And and we'll be here.

[29:39] Robert Bannon: No, we'll be here. Uh, and your our show is my show, is your show. Anytime you want to come on and talk, please come back.

[29:45] Dani Davis: Oh they had such a good time.

[29:46] Cynthia Kaplan: Gary, have a good time.

[29:48] Robert Bannon: Thank you. Bye, everybody. Great show. Bye.