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[0:00] Robert Bannon: If you're a songwriter, if you're a singer, if you're a producer, if you're someone from, I don't know, North Carolina to Nashville to across this country and you have some things to say, then you need to listen to our next artist guest because she's got some things to say too. Her new single, which is called "Saint," which you make my ex look like a saint, that is a bopity bop bop bop. I was like, oh, wait, hold on. Ivory's coming on here. She's gonna have a little guitar and she's gonna be a little country bumpkin. And then I listened to this song and I said, oh, oh, pop superstar diva. We are gonna sing and be shady at the same time. She's on tour. She's going across the country. You can't even get a ticket to see her tour because she's with Andrew McMahon and they're like sold out. So this is what you got. We got her here. We may not get a ticket, but you got it here. Ivory Layne, welcome to the round table.

[1:21] Ivory Layne: Robert, thank you for having me. How do I get you to just announce me every night of tour? I'm ready. I got a bag. How much luggage can I take? A duffel? Will a duffel fit? We're gonna be in a Sprinter van for a little bit, so I don't know if I want to do that too. I was gonna ask you, what is touring life like for you? Are you in a bus, a van? Do you have to ride a horse to a place, a rowboat? What happens? A private jet? See, I picture private jets and caviar. I actually was really gravitating toward the horse. I've never been pitched a horse for tour as long as, you know, the horse was ethically treated. Would absolutely love to, you know, arrive side saddle. It's going to be Sprinter for a little bit, a little Sprinter van action. And then I think we've got some fly dates for sure because we'll be going to Texas and we'll be going to California. And I'm based out of North Carolina right now, so I ain't trying to drive that much.

[2:26] Robert Bannon: So how many of you are in the Sprinter van?

[2:33] Ivory Layne: That's a good question. You know, I never really know until the first day because Andrew's got his own team. I just know it's going to be me and my sister, Madeline, who manages me. And so when I go on the road, I'm taking her with. I ain't going by myself.

[2:46] Robert Bannon: No, of course. So okay, so here's my question. So Andrew is in the van. You and your sister are in the van. So you all are a traveling roadshow tour. It's not like you all are in the van together. It's not like Ivory has a van, Andrew has a van. So you're really bonding. Are you a family?

[3:06] Ivory Layne: We are and actually we toured in 2019 in this style. So I am kind of familiar with how Andrew travels. He's really fun and always keeps the energy really fun. But that was my first time doing a Sprinter van tour and I'm glad that we were friends beforehand. I think it just furthered the bond. I don't know if maybe if we weren't friends before, maybe it would have repelled the bond of friendship. But you get to know a lot about people in a Sprinter. And one of the things that I learned about his team in particular, and I loved I loved everybody that was there. I think we had like seven people in six or seven people in the van at one time. They all requested mole everywhere we went. They just wanted to eat mole.

And I don't know about everyone's digestive systems on this podcast, but that's just like not a food that I would be picking up at every city and then getting in a shared space and Scooter Putin emphasis on Putin to the next town. You know what I mean? It was an interesting experience from a sort of smell ambiance that I'm hoping will not be repeated.

[4:17] Robert Bannon: That is my nightmare. I just had such anxiety. A second Zola for the day, because no, I think I'd eat crackers and water and I would. That's a very tiny look. You need to support. She's coming. Firstly, you're going to Jersey first. You're going to be you're going to be in my neck of the woods. I live in Detroit now, but I'm from New Jersey. So if you're going to. Yeah, if you're going to be in Tom's River, my mom's in Tom's River. Mama, come out to the show. So it's not the chill. It's at the Killshed, which is in Tom's River. And if you know anything about the Killshed, it's like someone's backyard that they said, like, I want to have people come. They don't even give you the address. So you buy a ticket.

[5:02] Ivory Layne: See, I don't I agree. I don't know if I'm going to give I don't I don't know if I'm giving my address out to everybody, even if they buy a ticket. Do you have time for one really weird story about my address? I'm sorry. This is not about me, Ivory Layne. I would love to hear your story.

[5:19] Robert Bannon: So see, sometimes you're a famous person. I mean, you're a recording artist and people come and follow you and they see you and they love their music and they start to think they know you. And then I talk to people every day and people start to think that they might know you, me, like through the. So one day a lady wrote me on Instagram and she said, I really love your podcast. And I put out music not like you. I cover I sing like theater songs. And she said, I don't have the money to buy an album. And I said, I'd love to send you an album. So I sent her an album. But my return address label was my my mom's address because that's where I sent it from. And she sent a picture of dead rats to my house because she said that when her cat brings her dead rats, she feels like it's the ultimate act of love.

See, I feel like I know you so well that I never told this story ever. And I'm telling it to you. And I don't know why. Because I feel for the people in Tom's River, don't take their address and send them rat photos. That's what I'm trying to say.

[6:22] Ivory Layne: Honored that you would share that story with me, Robert, because that's truly traumatizing. Do you take my insurance? Because I feel like it's therapy. Truly. And also, just the as soon as you said, and I sent her I went return address, return address, where is that coming from? And that's why honey, I have a p.o. box, I have a little p.o. box that I set up in the COVID times, the pandemic, pandemic, Lovato, I like to call it pandemic. And I, I started it as like, oh, maybe some people will write and now that is like my main thing that I'm sending everything from that address. P.O. box 2411 Brentwood, Tennessee 37024. If you want to send me anything, send it, I will write you back. But it's not where I live.

[7:14] Robert Bannon: Okay, so see, I was not even in that state. Okay, that's how much we take a hurtful check and seriously. And speaking of really great merchandise and addresses, if you go to ivorylayne.com, she has done an incredible job before we're gonna get to the music. I know we got music, but we have merchandise like everyone in the world. No matter what you've lived in your life needs a shirt that says you make my ex look like the shirts are there. The shirts are then there's a hoodie that says Ivory Layne is not a street. That's so brilliant and fun. And then there's all sorts of really for ASMR, but it says art should make rent, things like this support independent artists, all of these things are available on your website. Do you like the business artsy fartsy side? Or are you just like, let's somebody else make it let someone else handle it. I just want to take my guitar and say, what do you what do you think of it?

[8:10] Ivory Layne: You are selling this merch better than I've ever sold it, honey. I'm like, get let me write that down. Let me write down some of those little zingers. I love when you say the business side of it. And you're talking about merch design. Yeah, like to an extent, I'm a Canva girly. And I've gotten really comfortable in that. And I designed my website. And it's just kind of been something of necessity that I've had to learn. And then I get into it when I learn new things. And I'm like, what if I did this? What if I did that? And then I have a group of friends that I will send out designs to and go, would you wear this? What would you change? So it kind of everything kind of goes through them too, which is nice.

In a perfect world, someone else would be doing it. But I like the empowerment of, you know, figuring things out myself. Now, if we're talking about business business stuff, we're talking about crunching the numbers. Only thing I want to be crunching is a Nature Valley granola bar. Okay. I am not girl. I don't. I'm I'm doing it. I'm I'm running the numbers. But that's not my bag. That's something I would avoid at all costs. But I pay my taxes and everything.

[9:19] Robert Bannon: Oh, that's good. Amen. Or a woman or a something. I I'm married to my husband is a banker. And I'm like, Oh, thank God, because otherwise, I might be living in a box somewhere. I mean, I do get money sometimes.

[9:32] Ivory Layne: That's how you do it. That's, that's, that's how you get married to somebody like that. I thought about getting a music producer. But then I started doing it. And I'm like, okay, well, well, it saved yourself and that self love. And that's good. See, but now I'm thinking banker, I'm gonna go sniffing around. I'm in Charlotte, and that's like a banking. Yes. Yes. Hello, Charlotte. Charlotte, we're all going to go to the website, buy the merch and buy tickets. Well, you can't buy tickets to this coming tour, but you can buy tickets to something. And it's exciting. It's really exciting. So for you, say it all serious. I can't be serious for more than five minutes. So we better get it together. That's why I trust you. When did you? When did you decide? Or how did you find the love of music? Was it a singer? Was it a moment? Was it theater? We did theater as a kid? What was it that was like, Oh, I could do this?

[10:22] Ivory Layne: Oh, I grew up around it. My family's very musical. We grew up singing. My dad sang in church and like I was raised on Southern Gospel. So when you listen to my music, that's why there's a lot of background vocal stack. So I was writing songs at age six. They weren't amazing. They weren't like Get Around America's Got Talent. But you know, they had a verse in a chorus. They were cute.

[10:54] Robert Bannon: So they have a southern, so southern, like, can you give an example of a southern gospel artist?

[11:00] Ivory Layne: Well, like a lot of so again, I live in North Carolina, a lot of local families in churches, it's like all the family harmonies. So they go and they travel around and they sing these hymns and things. I don't know. I can't think of any off the top of my head. My family, my dad, actually, his family, his dad and his brother, and then two other random guys, I think they had their own little band quartet, and they would travel and they would sing and my dad's an exceptional singer. So I grew up around music and around my dad playing piano and singing and us helping him sing in church and learning harmony. So it was just a very natural thing for me to pursue music, I think.

[11:47] Robert Bannon: So when you become a professional, and you decide to make this your job, like, it's one thing to say, I'm going to sing at church, it's another thing to say, like, I can sing at, you know, I do talent shows, and I'm in school, I do plays. And then it's another thing to say, like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make this decision to try to give it a go and make make music. Was that a scary decision for you? Did you did you feel conflicted? Or was it like, this is the only thing I want to do?

[12:15] Ivory Layne: I love the way you phrased that question. I don't think I've ever had it phrased that way. I think I didn't feel conflicted in the sense of I knew this was something I wanted to do. But I made that decision at the end of my high school experience. And I went to a college preparatory small school. So everyone that I went to school with was going to college. And a lot of them are going to really great colleges. And so I was it wasn't so much I was conflicted, but I felt the friction of everyone else doing something, then I was clearly choosing a route, I chose not to go to school, I chose to just move to Nashville, I had a mentor who was going to connect me with people. And I just chose to go ahead and have a career.

And so yeah, I never really felt conflicted about that. And at that point, I had been performing in public, people knew my songs locally, I was getting better. I was really enjoying the process and feeling that connection of, oh, I feel a purpose behind this. And I feel like this is something that I could do for the rest of my life. So I was certain about that. But it was, it was really hard, you know, being 17, 18 years old, and all of a sudden, you're not participating with anyone else in your class anymore.

[13:27] Robert Bannon: Yeah, I love how on your Spotify profile, it says, when people in 2018 were asking for a flip phone, you asked for an interface.

[13:42] Ivory Layne: Okay, no, wait, I gotta correct that. I got it. Not you're not wrong. But 2008. No, no, no, no, I love the year the year is correct. I desperately wanted a cell phone. I wanted to text my crush. So all I wanted that was it back in

[13:57] Ivory Layne: I'm so excited to be here and talk about my new music, especially my single “Saint.” It really captures a lot of what I've been feeling lately, and I can't wait for everyone to hear it.

[14:27] Ivory Layne: The song is all about that moment when you realize your ex is not as great as you thought they were, and you start to see them in a different light. It’s a fun twist on the classic breakup song.

[14:57] Ivory Layne: I wrote “Saint” with some incredible collaborators, and it was such a joy to bring it to life. The process was really collaborative, and I think that shows in the final product.

[15:25] Ivory Layne: Touring has been a whirlwind! I love being on the road, meeting fans, and sharing my music live. There’s something so special about performing and connecting with people in that way.

[15:53] Ivory Layne: I’ve got some exciting shows coming up as the special guest for Andrew McMahon's tour. We’ll be hitting cities like Boston, New York City, and Washington, D.C. It’s going to be an amazing experience!

[16:13] Ivory Layne: I think being a working artist means embracing the chaos and unpredictability of it all. Every day is different, and that keeps things fresh and exciting for me.

[16:33] Ivory Layne: I’ve been writing a lot lately, and I’m really proud of the new material. Each song tells a story, and I love being able to share those stories with my audience.

[16:53] Ivory Layne: The songwriting process can be really personal, but I also find it therapeutic. It’s a way for me to process my experiences and emotions, and I hope that resonates with listeners.

[17:21] Ivory Layne: I think it’s important to stay true to yourself as an artist. There’s so much pressure to conform to trends, but I want to create music that feels authentic to me.

[17:49] Ivory Layne: I’ve had the privilege of working with some amazing artists and songwriters, and each collaboration has taught me something new. It’s all about learning and growing as an artist.

[18:09] Ivory Layne: I love the energy of live performances. There’s nothing quite like the rush of being on stage and feeling the audience’s response. It’s a magical experience.

[18:37] Ivory Layne: I’ve also been exploring different sounds and styles in my music. I think it’s important to experiment and push boundaries to find what truly resonates with you.

[19:05] Ivory Layne: My journey has taken me from Nashville to London, and each place has influenced my music in different ways. I love blending those influences into my sound.

[19:33] Ivory Layne: I’m really excited for everyone to hear “Saint” and the other new songs I’ve been working on. I think they capture a lot of what I’ve been through and where I’m headed.

[20:01] Ivory Layne: The feedback I’ve received so far has been incredible, and it’s so rewarding to know that my music is connecting with people.

[20:29] Ivory Layne: I can’t wait to hit the road and share these new songs with everyone. It’s going to be a fun adventure!

[20:57] Ivory Layne: I think the best part of being an artist is the ability to share your story and connect with others through music. It’s a beautiful thing.

[21:25] Ivory Layne: I’m always looking for ways to grow and evolve as an artist. I think that’s what keeps the music fresh and exciting.

[21:53] Ivory Layne: I’m grateful for the opportunities I’ve had and the people I’ve met along the way. Each experience has shaped me into the artist I am today.

[22:21] Ivory Layne: I hope my music inspires others to embrace their own journeys and find their voice. That’s what it’s all about!

[22:49] Ivory Layne: I’m looking forward to what the future holds and can’t wait to share more music with everyone. It’s going to be an exciting ride!

[23:17] Ivory Layne: Thank you so much for having me on the show! I’ve had a blast chatting about my music and experiences.

[23:45] Ivory Layne: I hope everyone checks out “Saint” and follows along on my journey. There’s so much more to come!

[24:13] Ivory Layne: It’s been a pleasure to share my story, and I can’t wait to see where this journey takes me next.

[24:41] Ivory Layne: Let’s keep the conversation going! I love connecting with fans and hearing their thoughts on my music.

[25:09] Ivory Layne: Thanks again for having me, and I hope to see you all at a show soon!

[25:37] Ivory Layne: Remember to follow me on social media for updates and behind-the-scenes looks at my music and life on the road.

[26:05] Ivory Layne: I’m excited for what’s ahead and can’t wait to share it all with you!

[26:33] Ivory Layne: Until next time, keep listening to music and supporting artists. It means the world to us!

[27:01] Ivory Layne: Bye for now!

[27:55] Robert Bannon: You can join the Patreon, and you can find all that information. You could go to the website, and you could also click the Instagram link below and be a part of this movement. That is all things, all things I've written. Oh, because you're like, you're gonna go out here and you're gonna sing these songs and add one fan, one stream, and one follower at a time. And that's how you build a real sustainable career, and that's why you're gonna be here for a really, really long time. Her music, it—I was taken aback, but I'm dead serious. No, because when I played "Saint," I had a vision. Like, you're a piano player, you play some guitar. Like, I love that this tour, piano is the instrument of instruments for me.

Like, the fact that you're gonna go on tour, and it's gonna be a piano show, and you're all just gonna just play piano, and it's gonna be amazing. So get a ticket if you can. Hello, New York City, City Winery. It's beautiful. It's on the river. You'll have an amazing time. I just am very moved that I thought it was gonna be like very piano-y singer-songwriter coffee shop moment, and then I said, oh snap, we rock and roll in here. Like, we're ready to go. This is a—I was like, I gotta send this to my husband. I got it. This is like a summer, put your windows down, sing with your girlfriends, and have a party kind of song.

[29:13] Ivory Layne: Yes, this is the reaction I want! This is the reaction I want, Robert. Thank you so much. This was not matcha, matcha like a library time. This was a party. I might have paid a small fee just to see your reaction when the bridge hit. Oh, I would—excuse me, I love the lyrics. What is this? Do you have a purse? Did you—do they just come to you? Were you watching Grey's Anatomy and wrote it, or did you feel this song?

[29:40] Ivory Layne: Okay, I feel like you're gonna love this because, again, we got the gift of the gab, and it came from a gab. I had been talking to this man, and by talking, like texting, and we were supposed to go and get drinks, and it never happened. It never materialized, and it was kind of like a ghosting, but also just like a fizzling out. And I go to my sister's room because we live in the same house, which is great for me, terrible for her. No boundaries. I'm like, hey, I had this thought at 11:30 p.m., but I said I just need to like talk through this thing that happened. Like, I'm so frustrated and annoyed, and I'm talking it out, and I'm listing these things that had kind of disappointed me about the situation.

I said, honestly, he makes my ex look like a saint. And then I'm like, wait a second. So I think I put that down in my phone, or I came right back into my room, which is my studio, and just started kind of working on something. And at the time, I was looking for kind of a rock-centric song after my single previous to "Saint" was called "Skim," and it did better than I thought it was going to do, and it had a more rock sound. My friend here in technically South Carolina, Dead Covenants, was kind of my collab on that. And so I was looking for a song to pitch to him to collaborate on. So he gave me an electric guitar. He's like, I have an extra electric guitar. So I had been teaching myself how to play, so I just kind of started riffing, write the whole song just from that angsty fed-up, like I'm mad at this situation.

I've got the starting phrase, and I'm pissed off because all the songs I had sent my friend, he hated. He didn't like them, and I'm like, these are good songs. Why? So it was like I'm giving it everything, all the angst I've got, 'cause I'm just annoyed that you don't like any of the fire songs that I'm sending you. And then he immediately—I send a song off to him, and he goes, this is the next song. And then he was like, I don't know what to do to add to it. You just need to finish it. And so that's how the song came to be, was just a real-life story that was very small. It wasn't like I was dating the guy or anything intense, but talking through it with my sister and then coming back in here and just using angst to get it across the finish line.

People love angst; it's universal. We all love angst. The cover's fun. The song is a blast. You're gonna love it. You're going to sing along. You need to find it. It is like the song you need to add to your playlist. And if you have somebody who—I love sending songs to people. We have a playlist together, like as a romantic couple. You can send songs that you think of somebody. But if you have somebody who is going through it, which we all do, this is the song that they need to hear to get them a pep in their step. If you're going to work in the morning and you need a little motivation, like you want to have like some bad girl rock-and-roll energy, this song is gonna get you in there.

[32:54] Ivory Layne: You talk about "Skim," which was also out this year. "Skim," the opening of the song has angelic big—like you talk about background vocals, and the piano comes in, but then it has a beat in it. Is there a journey to your music? Like, do you feel like the trajectory has changed, or is it just I'm just Ivory, and today I'm doing it like this, and tomorrow I'm doing it like that?

[33:18] Ivory Layne: You know, I do feel like it has changed, even though I am grateful for the freedom to kind of do whatever I want right now. I don't really have—I mean, I'm sure some people would say that I have a sonic identity, but I think when you're an independent artist and your career hasn't exactly broken on a larger scale, then you can have the fluidity to kind of experiment with different things. And so when I moved back here, I really went hard on pop. In 2025, I put out an EP that I self-produced, self-wrote. It was a whole thing called "Part-Time Jobs Near Me," and it was all about the industry. It was all about just my experience in Nashville in the music industry at large, and I went over the top with the production, and I went in a very kind of quirky direction.

And then when I met my friend Dead Covenants, who again collaborated on "Skim," collaborated with "Roam" with him, we were working on some sync stuff for TV and film, so kind of pitching things to movies, pitching things to TV shows. And it was his suggestion, like, I think you would dominate the rock genre if you tried something a little more guitar-forward. And like you said earlier, I'm more of a keys girl, and I kind of approached things from a MIDI controller view. So I was like, I mean, sure. So that conversation started at the end of 2025, and then this year, it's been all about exploring that genre of rock, how that influences how I write a song, because typically my songs are very verbose.

I love to talk, love to write a lot of lyric, and so paring that back and learning how to have impact without a lot of verbiage necessarily, and then letting moments breathe, having space. That's definitely been something I've been exploring this year, and by no means am I saying that's where I will stay because it probably won't be. But I'm enjoying it, and it's been really fun to see my fans enjoy it because I truly thought they're not gonna get this, and this is just gonna be a one-off thing. And then people were—when I did "Roam" live, people were freaking out, and so I was like, oh gosh, well, maybe we should keep going down this road. And I'm loving it too. I feel a catharsis that I haven't ever felt completely in—I'm a pop girly, and I'll always be a pop girly, but I haven't necessarily felt that in the pop.

[35:53] Robert Bannon: Well, I love it. I'm here for it. We're gonna deep dive about Ivory Layne all the rest of the summer, and we're gonna be excited about all of the things that you're doing. We couldn't—we couldn't be listening to it. It's streaming wherever music is heard. All the music is out. Is there a—I hate asking this question, but I'm gonna ask it. Is there a plan? I'm sure you have more music up your sleeve, and is it all a part of a collection, or are we in the music world? Is it a singles world? At least just gonna be live-along singles? Are you one day gonna put them all together into something different? What's the future?

[36:27] Ivory Layne: I love this question. This is not a bad question. I mean, I've never officially done an album. Yes, an album is always kind of in the back of my mind, and there are some songs from this year that are like, this would be really cool. I think realistically it's probably gonna be an EP first. I'm definitely looking at putting something together as a little thing. There have been talks about maybe doing a fun little—maybe a physical CD that's completely separate because I am completely independent, and I don't have anybody being like, I can kind of do what I want there. So there have been talks about maybe doing something like that. I think as well, I'm trying to reach out to people and do collaborations.

So I would love to put out like another single with another artist or producer or something under there and just kind of have fun and explore. So more music is coming. I think we've got at least one more single this year, and then deciding whether or not we want to put out like a little body of work or just keep pushing singles through this tour because I really want to give fans something to chew on and then kind of a checkpoint for those people who are just meeting me for the first time at these shows because that's exciting too. So definitely more music is coming, and I like to keep everybody updated on socials as well as Patreon. That's always gonna be the place where people will hear the music first and help me decide what's getting put out. But socials for sure, I'll update people, and I also have a newsletter list that I—yes, go!

[38:02] Robert Bannon: Yeah, I know. Let's go, everybody! So if we're gonna see you this summer, what is—because it's just you and your sister in the splinter. So what is this show like? What are we gonna see when we catch you on tour?

[38:13] Ivory Layne: Well, this is a very special tour because, like you said before, piano-centric. I might bring a guitar for some songs; I'm still deliberating. But Andrew is an incredible piano player, and this was the iteration of the tour that we did last time I toured with him. So it's just him and a piano. There's no backing tracks, there's no band, there's no anything. It's just him, and it's so engaging. So it'll just be me and an instrument, probably keys. And how I like to do it is I'm gonna be telling some stories. I'm gonna be popping some jokes, you know, that's kind of how I do my set. People go, are you trying to be a stand-up comedian? Because I feel like you should do that. And then I'm like, excuse me, I've been doing music for 13 years.

You're supposed to lead with this was such an amazing musical show, and you're funny. But I like to have some stage banter, and I always like to make sure that I'm doing, you know, Superman. I feel like always gets played, those kind of songs that have helped put me on the map. I always like to make sure that I hit those, and then of course the new songs and some little niche, maybe some deeper cuts will be fun. But it's kind of—you're not—you have no backing. You have no backing track either.

[39:32] Ivory Layne: No, no click track, no nothing. It's just you.

[39:36] Ivory Layne: It's just me. It's just me. Yeah, very, very—you know, Regina Spektor, who was I just listening to that I'm obsessed with? We all know her. Cornflake Girl, Tori Amos. But I don't play like either of those incredible—it's the fine. You play like Ivory Layne.

[39:57] Ivory Layne: Which is—

[40:00] Robert Bannon: But I know a C and a G7 and an F. That's what I got for you.

[40:09] Ivory Layne: Don't worry, honey, I play by ear. I can't read notes. See, like, excuse me.

[40:24] Robert Bannon: We'll just see what sounds good. She's gonna go now and write a hit song, and you are going to all listen to her songs. We're gonna go to her website, get some merch, see if we can get a ticket. I'm sending—if you see a 72-year-old lady in Tom's River, that's my mom because I think I gotta send her. I think she'd love your vibe. You know, she's giving—she's giving 55 and older community, Tom's River, New Jersey.

[40:52] Ivory Layne: Yes, hey, that's a target demo, and she has an ex that is kind of a jerk.

[41:01] Robert Bannon: Okay, she's gotta be bopping to "Saint." Rose, go find the Ivory when you're at the show. I'm getting her a ticket. We are gonna follow you. I want to be your—I'm obsessed with you. I can't wait for you to be in the same city and that I can see you live in person and give you a hug, and I want to support and celebrate you because your music is bananas, and I am so excited for the future. I hope you keep writing, keep singing, keep touring, keep doing it because we need singer-songwriters who are as talented and as amazing as you. Thanks for being here.

[41:33] Ivory Layne: The best! You're the best! Let's go!