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[0:00] Unknown Speaker: Spark File podcast may contain profanity and other adult content. Please use your discretion.

[0:09] Susan Blackwell: When I bump into something that inspires me, I jump in my spark file.

[0:18] Laura Camien: Spark file to be something that I wanna make or how I wanna be, I pump it in my spark file.

[0:28] Susan Blackwell: I jump into my spark slide. Let's open up the spark file.

[0:37] Laura Camien: Welcome to the Spark File, where we believe that everyone is creative, but smart creative people don't go it alone.

[0:43] Susan Blackwell: I'm Laura Camien.

[0:44] Susan Blackwell: And I'm Susan Blackwell, and we are creativity coaches who help people clarify and accomplish their creative goals.

[0:51] Laura Camien: Hey, you should know that just by listening to this podcast, you are joining a warm and wonderful clan of creatives.

[0:58] Susan Blackwell: But you may be asking yourself, what exactly is a spark file?

[1:02] Laura Camien: A spark file is a place where you consistently collect all of your inspirations and fascinations.

[1:08] Susan Blackwell: And every episode, we are gonna reach into our very own spark files and exchange some sparks.

[1:15] Laura Camien: And from time to time, we're gonna talk to some folks who spark us too.

[1:19] Susan Blackwell: And your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to take some of those sparks of inspiration and make something of your own.

[1:26] Laura Camien: So without further ado, let's open up the spark file.

[1:32] Susan Blackwell: We want to let you know that we're recording this episode the Friday after the election.

[1:38] Laura Camien: So just a few short days ago, it was announced for the first time in the history of the United States.

[1:44] Susan Blackwell: A convicted felon has been elected president.

[1:49] Laura Camien: A bigoted homophobic, transphobic, racist rapist, a person committed to quote unquote traditional marriage and protecting women, whether they like it or not.

[2:03] Susan Blackwell: That is our president elect.

[2:05] Laura Camien: Oh, how are you feeling over there?

[2:08] Susan Blackwell: Well, I have to giggle or else I cry.

[2:10] Laura Camien: So I opted for laughing.

[2:13] Susan Blackwell: Just listening to the list is so absurd.

[2:15] Laura Camien: It's absolutely absurd.

[2:18] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. Here we are.

[2:20] Laura Camien: Yeah. Here we are.

[2:21] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, if I think about it, I will just feel very, very deeply sad.

[2:28] Laura Camien: And you know, that leads to anxiety and fear.

[2:32] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[2:32] Laura Camien: I thought you boiled how about you?

[2:35] Susan Blackwell: Well, I boiled it down. Um, and we are really like laughing through that uncomfortable.

[2:42] Laura Camien: Laughing through tears.

[2:43] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, it's that uncomfortable.

[2:45] Laura Camien: We've cried a lot. We'll talk more about that in a second.

[2:48] Susan Blackwell: But I boiled it down for Nathan. I walked into his office, I think it was yesterday, and I said, I think I boiled it down. I'm grieving for the lost possibility that Kamala Harris would be leading us.

[3:04] Susan Blackwell: And I'm fearful about the future of our country and our rights. That's kind of the two big chunks, grief and fear for me.

[3:15] Laura Camien: Yeah, grief and fear, it's it is absolutely that.

[3:19] Laura Camien: And I would add to like this fear that it's just layers of fear.

[3:25] Laura Camien: This fear that we will never again live in a country where we are getting the same information.

[3:32] Susan Blackwell: So the idea of consensus or agreement on something is so out of possibility for us.

[3:42] Laura Camien: Right. Um, and that scares me that you know that things are gonna get said and done, and that a whole group of 80 million people are gonna be like, those things weren't said or done because they didn't hear about it.

[3:55] Susan Blackwell: Right.

[3:56] Laura Camien: That that division that is represented in so many ways.

[4:00] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[4:02] Laura Camien: We have been spending time processing this, Laura and I privately, and also in our communities in the Spark file.

[4:12] Susan Blackwell: We had a first last night, Laura.

[4:14] Laura Camien: We had a first.

[4:15] Susan Blackwell: We had curriculum planned. We take great care with our curriculum.

[4:20] Laura Camien: We work really, really hard on it. We're very proud of it.

[4:22] Susan Blackwell: And we got into class and we threw it all out, and we just made space for the cohort to talk about their feelings and their fears.

[4:33] Laura Camien: And I have to say, I am so thankful for community during this time.

[4:39] Susan Blackwell: Me too. For the communities that we have, you know, invested in and spent time cultivating so that when the shit really gets real and it really hits the fan, that to have people to share this with and process this with.

[5:02] Laura Camien: Oh spark me Amadeus.

[5:06] Susan Blackwell: I had something, I got something cooking that I'm gonna share with you very soon. That's why I'm quiet right now, but I'm in complete agreement.

[5:13] Laura Camien: I love that. So something that emerged out of the discussion that we were having last night in class was what art and creativity people are leaning into for solace for empowerment as an extension of their self-expression when they don't have the words.

[5:35] Susan Blackwell: And it reminded me of this TED talk on creativity that Ethan Hawke gave back in 2020 during the pandemic, and we may have even talked about it on this podcast.

[5:45] Laura Camien: We may have talked about it on the podcast.

[5:47] Susan Blackwell: I know we've we've talked about it in some curriculum or some maybe even some free workshops. It's very potent.

[5:52] Laura Camien: I think it's always worth a revisit.

[5:54] Susan Blackwell: I've been thinking about it so much these past few days.

[5:59] Laura Camien: And in it, Ethan Hawke says, ask yourself, do you think human creativity matters?

[6:06] Susan Blackwell: Well, most people don't spend a lot of time thinking about it, right? They have a life to live, and they're not really that concerned with Alan Ginsburg's poetry or anybody's poems until their father dies.

[6:19] Laura Camien: They go to a funeral, you lose a child, somebody breaks your heart, they don't love you anymore.

[6:26] Susan Blackwell: And all of a sudden you're desperate for making sense out of this life.

[6:31] Laura Camien: And has anybody ever felt this bad before? How did they come out of this cloud? Or something great happens.

[6:38] Susan Blackwell: You meet somebody and your heart explodes. You love them so much you can't even see straight.

[6:44] Laura Camien: Did anybody feel like this? What is happening to me? That's when art's not a luxury.

[6:50] Susan Blackwell: It's actually sustenance.

[6:53] Laura Camien: And Ethan Hawke goes on: the thing that worries me sometimes whenever you talk about creativity, because it can have this kind of feel that it's just nice, you know, it's warm or it's something pleasant.

[7:05] Susan Blackwell: It's not. It's vital.

[7:06] Laura Camien: It's the way we heal each other in singing our song and telling our story and inviting you to say, hey, listen to me, and I'll listen to you.

[7:17] Susan Blackwell: We're starting a dialogue, you know.

[7:19] Laura Camien: And when you do that, this healing happens, and we come out of our corners and we start to witness each other's common humanity.

[7:27] Susan Blackwell: We start to assert it. And when we do that, really good things happen.

[7:32] Laura Camien: So if you want to help your community, if you want to help your family, if you want to help your friends, you have to express yourself.

[7:41] Susan Blackwell: I appreciate so much what Ethan is saying.

[7:45] Laura Camien: I loved this talk so much, and I completely agree.

[7:50] Susan Blackwell: Sorry, what were we gonna say?

[7:52] Laura Camien: I was just gonna say it's easy for people to forget, and it's easy for people to feel like what they have to say is insignificant, or even uh we were talking last night about this this impulse that I I suspect may happen for people, which is well, if I'm going to make something, it must be important work.

[8:13] Laura Camien: It must be work that advancing the cause reaches millions and changes lives or changes the world.

[8:20] Susan Blackwell: And I think that speaking our soft, quiet truth to one person at a time can change the world.

[8:28] Laura Camien: Uh, I agree, Laura. I thought so much about that today.

[8:32] Susan Blackwell: Um, the other thing that I thought about is sometimes, like right now, when things might still feel too hot to the touch, being self-expressed and creative can feel so far out of reach.

[8:46] Laura Camien: I know I've been feeling that way.

[8:48] Susan Blackwell: And I know it's okay to not be okay.

[8:52] Laura Camien: But today I want to focus on the catharsis, the comfort, the change, the call to action that we can draw from the creativity of others.

[9:03] Susan Blackwell: How taking in creativity can help us when we feel empty or brokenhearted or lost for words or so mad that we cannot form a sentence.

[9:14] Laura Camien: So I put out a call to the Spark File community and to my folks on social media.

[9:20] Laura Camien: And I asked them, what specific quotes, writing, poetry, music, art, what are people turning to right now?

[9:28] Susan Blackwell: What has provided you with moments of peace, solace, strength, understanding?

[9:34] Laura Camien: I'll start with you, Laura Camien.

[9:36] Susan Blackwell: And are there things that have been comforting to you? Are things that have been cathartic to you?

[9:42] Laura Camien: Oh, Suze. Well, first of all, I'm in awe because I was just thinking, wow, Suze's creativity sprung forth with this idea. Let me crowdfund my Spark today.

[9:55] Susan Blackwell: Oh, fuck you.

[9:56] Laura Camien: And I've I'm just marveling at you.

[9:59] Susan Blackwell: I'm marveling at you.

[10:01] Laura Camien: I made it a group homework project.

[10:05] Susan Blackwell: And the group delivers.

[10:06] Laura Camien: The group delivered.

[10:07] Susan Blackwell: The group delivers.

[10:08] Laura Camien: Yeah, I mean, I think there are, you know, there's the Tony Morrison, there's the Mary Oliver.

[10:16] Susan Blackwell: I go, you know, I go to those often.

[10:19] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[10:19] Susan Blackwell: But to be honest, in the last couple of days, because it has only been a couple days, I have been more like, I'm not ready to hear yet that it's time to fight.

[10:29] Laura Camien: I know I will be able to, but yeah, um, I need to rest a little bit and then and then I'm back at it.

[10:38] Susan Blackwell: So I'm very excited to hear all of these because I'll be on it real soon.

[10:42] Laura Camien: I think that's a great place to start, Laura.

[10:46] Susan Blackwell: Let's start with the things that people shared.

[10:49] Laura Camien: Creativity that offers comfort.

[10:55] Susan Blackwell: My high school English teacher, Julie Maynard, whom I adore.

[10:59] Laura Camien: Was that grammatically correct, Julie?

[11:02] Susan Blackwell: Oh, is Julie uh is Julie who got you on your grammar kick?

[11:07] Laura Camien: Julie really has been one of the greatest teachers of my life.

[11:12] Susan Blackwell: And um, when Nathan met Julie Maynard, uh-huh.

[11:16] Laura Camien: I took Nathan home to Ohio for an event, and uh Julie Maynard was present, and he said, I just met your high school English teacher, and I think I'm in love.

[11:29] Susan Blackwell: She's a really remarkable person.

[11:30] Laura Camien: Oh, that's wonderful.

[11:32] Susan Blackwell: And I feel like I have the benefit of her every day in when you proof my films, spelling be.

[11:39] Laura Camien: Yes, thank you.

[11:40] Susan Blackwell: Oh my god, so much.

[11:41] Susan Blackwell: Julie Maynard shared that she is taking in any and all cooking shows.

[11:47] Laura Camien: Oh, which I appreciated.

[11:49] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[11:50] Laura Camien: James Jameson shared Murder She Wrote has been my comfort watch lately.

[11:55] Susan Blackwell: Robin Pomato shared that good old-fashioned pre HD, gently fuzzy distraction television from the 90s is bringing comfort.

[12:05] Laura Camien: The warm and awkward embrace of Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer, and also Captain Picard.

[12:12] Susan Blackwell: Love that, Robin. Love the awkward embrace of Captain Picard. Fantastic.

[12:17] Laura Camien: Okay, I do have one to add to that then.

[12:19] Susan Blackwell: Add add to it.

[12:20] Laura Camien: So last night I had some homework to do, and I needed to watch something, and I just could not do my homework.

[12:26] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[12:27] Laura Camien: And I turned to MTV's The Challenge.

[12:31] Susan Blackwell: You love that show.

[12:33] Laura Camien: And they're on season 40, and I am still with it. And I was like watching the challenge. And I said to Wes, I was like, you know, I think the people doing the real tough work right now are these competitors on the challenge? And I really need to be there for them. I'd love to help them work it out.

[12:52] Susan Blackwell: I love that.

[12:52] Laura Camien: And I am with this. I told you, Laura, on election night, Nathan rolled a TV into the bedroom. We don't have a TV in the bedroom. So he put one on a stand, rolled it into the bedroom, not to watch the election results, but so I could fall asleep to the great British bake off.

[13:08] Susan Blackwell: Oh, what a sweetie.

[13:10] Laura Camien: What a sweetie. Familiar things, yes, kind things, gentle things, things like murder she wrote that wrap up tidily by the end.

[13:18] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[13:19] Laura Camien: No shame in the comfort game.

[13:20] Susan Blackwell: No shame in it. We need it.

[13:23] Laura Camien: I also, Laura, have been fine. I've been um observing myself seeking creativity that puts words to feelings.

[13:31] Susan Blackwell: Yes, absolutely.

[13:32] Laura Camien: When I don't yet have the capacity to focus my own thoughts or make something, I find myself leaning into the words others have managed to arrange and the work that others have made.

[13:45] Susan Blackwell: So you just you summoned Tony Morrison.

[13:48] Laura Camien: So I would like to read um a piece of an essay that Tony Morrison wrote for The Atlantic. This is often excerpted, but I want to read a fuller passage.

[13:58] Susan Blackwell: Oh, awesome.

[13:59] Laura Camien: Yeah, we see this a lot. I've seen this a lot in the past week, but I want to read more because um I think it's useful here. Christmas, the day after in 2004, following the presidential re-election of George W. Bush.

[14:17] Susan Blackwell: I am staring out of the window in an extremely dark mood, feeling helpless.

[14:22] Laura Camien: Then a friend, a fellow artist, calls. He asks, How are you? And instead of, oh fine, and you, I blurt out the truth. Not well. Not only am I depressed, I can't seem to work, to write. It's as though I am paralyzed, unable to write anything. I've never felt this way before. I am about to explain with further detail when he interrupts, shouting, no, no, no, no. This is precisely the time when artists go to work. Not when everything is fine, but in times of dread. That's our job.

[14:59] Susan Blackwell: I felt foolish for the rest of the morning, especially when I recalled the artists who have done their work in gulags, prison cells, hospital beds, who did their work while hounded, exiled, reviled, pilloried, and those who are executed. This is precisely the time when artists go to work.

[15:19] Laura Camien: There is no time for despair, no place for self-pity, no need for silence, no room for fear. We speak, we write, we do language. This is how civilizations heal. I know the world is bruised and bleeding, and though it is important not to ignore its pain, it is also critical to refuse to succumb to its malevolence like failure. Chaos contains information that can lead to knowledge, even wisdom, like art.

[15:51] Susan Blackwell: I appreciate this pep talk from Tony Morrison.

[15:54] Laura Camien: Oh, I wonder what Tony Morrison would make of all of this.

[15:59] Susan Blackwell: In the writing of this very passage, I think I can tell that Tony Morrison is stoking her own furnace.

[16:07] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[16:08] Susan Blackwell: She is changing her own gears. But you might say to me, Laura, or I might say to you, I'm not there yet.

[16:17] Laura Camien: But to this I say, if you're feeling this way, let's keep looking. Let's keep looking to the creativity of others. Let's see if we can unlock something.

[16:26] Susan Blackwell: Well, and also there's something I want to say about like we talked about this with our group last night. There's a difference between coming up with some creative raw material and the moment when you share it with the world.

[16:42] Laura Camien: Absolutely.

[16:43] Susan Blackwell: So my journal is full of a lot of writing. Like you it's not writing that I would say, this is ready to be consumed by others.

[16:53] Laura Camien: But it was important and is important for me to get it down.

[16:57] Susan Blackwell: Love that.

[16:58] Laura Camien: And we're going to touch on that in just a moment.

[17:00] Susan Blackwell: I love that. Fantastic.

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[20:19] Susan Blackwell: So by all means, keep doing your job if you feel you must. But I will also be doing my job on this road trip, which is to work hard and stay focused. And creativity will be doing its job, which is to remain stimulating and inspiring. And so I will never exclude you from our activities, but still your suggestions will never be followed. You're allowed to have a seat and you're allowed to have a voice, but you are not allowed to have a vote. You are not allowed to touch the roadmaps. You're not allowed to suggest detours, but above all else, my dear all familiar friend, you are absolutely forbidden to drive. Signed Elizabeth Gilbert.

[21:11] Laura Camien: And I just I ac I love this so much, Annie McRae Rosenberg, and I love that you shared it because I feel this fear. And I'm like, what are you gonna how how are you gonna where does it get to sit in the car? And I just feel like it really um addressed that beautifully when we're talking about our creativity and challenging times. And it's resonant, especially because, you know, we're just at the beginning of this.

[21:43] Susan Blackwell: So some idea that we're like, I'm gonna get over this in the next week or so. Well, we're just at the beginning. And so we're gonna need to learn how to have that fear right beside us and still keep working and still keep creating anyway.

[21:59] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[22:00] Susan Blackwell: The wise Laura Camien reminded me of that yesterday, and I was like, oh, will you? Our client Catherine Gwynn shared this.

[22:09] Laura Camien: Oh, Catherine.

[22:11] Susan Blackwell: So Catherine Gwynn, what a gem. I know it. While pruning moms on my front step, I was thinking about our discussion on the importance of creativity and making art now. And I was reminded of something I learned about Mel Brooks. He fought in World War II and was stationed close enough to a German post that he could hear them through their speakers. So in true Mel Brooks fashion, he decided to start making fun of them. Suddenly, the men he was serving with who had been scared were laughing and less fearful of their enemy. This led to his realization that the best way to take away an enemy's power is to get people laughing at them. That's why Hitler shows up in the most ridiculous ways in several of his movies. That's why we have springtime for Hitler. Brooks used art to make a laughing stock of the enemy so he held less power over people. I wanted to share that in case it triggered any light bulb moments for anyone else.

[23:07] Laura Camien: Yes. Thank you, Kat. I thought that was great. Ever since you shared that, I was I've been thinking about that. There was an article a few years ago, I think in the Times, about how it has been comedians who've taken down dictators. And there's a history there. There's a hot spark there for sure.

[23:27] Susan Blackwell: Yes. And um and allowing ourselves to laugh may be one of the ways through it.

[23:35] Laura Camien: And one of the ways to end it.

[23:37] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[23:38] Laura Camien: Oh, Laura, I love that. I love that. I look forward to reading that article. What a spark.

[23:43] Susan Blackwell: Um, people also shared music that has been helping them to calm down and to power up. Ross Dreyer and Becca Brunel recommended "Keep Marching" from Sups. Laura Wilson recommended John Battiste's "Drink Water." Mariah Grandy shared "Roll with the Changes" by Ario Speedwagon. Eric Lee is listening to "Hate to See You Like This" by The Fountains of Wayne. Sheena Negley shared Sara Bareilles's "Armor" and "When Mac was Swimming" by Innocence Mission. The great Catherine Gwynn, who we just mentioned, shared so many great songs by Sleeping at Last, The Avett Brothers, music from the musical "Bright Star," Dolly Parton, "Bird Talk." I feel the playlist coming on, Suze.

[24:27] Susan Blackwell: Well, Laura, that's a great segue because I put all of these songs and more into a Spotify playlist for all of you. And you can find that at thesparkfile.com/slash playlists.

[24:38] Laura Camien: Oh, I'm so excited. And if you have ideas about things you'd like to add to the playlist, you can email getcreative@thesparkfile.com and I'll beef up the playlist.

[24:50] Susan Blackwell: Oh my gosh. I love it. I can't wait to get in there and listen. It starts like I put a song on there. The first song you're gonna be like, what the fuck, Susan? But it is the song that is the most cathartic for me.

[25:03] Laura Camien: Oh, good.

[25:04] Susan Blackwell: Good. So you're gonna be like, what does this have to do with like, but for me, it is the most cathartic song. And as I was making the playlist this afternoon, Laura, I could not stop crying.

[25:16] Laura Camien: Oh Suze.

[25:18] Susan Blackwell: I cried and shook. Oh, and then I organized it so it starts kind of like a little more contemplative, and then it gets more like let it rip, let the rain water fall out of your face, and then you rise up.

[25:35] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[25:35] Susan Blackwell: Like a phoenix from the flame.

[25:38] Laura Camien: That's exactly right. I'm for this. Speaking of rising up like a phoenix from the flames, one of my favorite songs on that playlist is a song by Ben Harper called "I'll Rise."

[25:48] Susan Blackwell: Oh, yeah.

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[28:31] Unknown Speaker: And right now, good friends and good principles are worth gathering in. Remember what you love. Remember what loves you. Remember in this tide of hate, what love is. The pain you feel is because of what you love. The wobblies used to say, don't mourn, organize, but you can do both at once. And you don't have to organize right away in this moment of furious mourning. You can be heartbroken or furious or both at once. You can scream in your car or on a cliff. You can also get up tomorrow and water the flower pots and call someone who's upset and check your equipment for going forward. A lot of us are going to come under direct attack. And a lot of us are going to resist by building solidarity and sanctuary.

Gather up your resources, the metaphysical ones that are heart and soul and care, as well as the practical ones. People kept the faith in the dictatorships of South America in the 1970s and 1980s in the East Bloc countries and the USSR. People are protesting right now in Iran, and people there are writing poetry. There is no alternative to persevering. And that does not require you to feel good. You can keep walking, whether it's sunny or raining. Take care of yourself and remember that taking care of something else is an important part of taking care of yourself because you are interwoven with the 10 trillion things in the single garment of destiny that has been stained and torn, but is still being woven and mended and washed.

Thank you for that, Rebecca, and thank you for all the people that shared that with me. So in conclusion, if you're not ready to be self-expressed, take it easy on yourself. If you're not ready to be creative, take it easier on yourself. Maybe take in the creativity of others, borrow their words and wisdom to give voice to how you're feeling. And if you have the energy, like the very wise Laura Camien, take some notes about how you feel. It may be raw material for future things that you want to make, future things that may be of service to others in their time of need. And that is my spark.

[30:57] Susan Blackwell: Oh Amen. Oh, I love that spark. And now that I got it all out, I just want to hurrah. I feel like we do these episodes and I get it all out and I hold it all together, and then I just want to go and cry. And that's okay.

[31:20] Laura Camien: That was beautiful and so helpful, truly. It makes me also think of like all the things that we read of people's work right now. I highly doubt they were someone's first draft and that they put it out in the moment that they were like millions. In the heat of it all. And so if you need to take a moment, like you just said, if you need to take a moment to gather your thoughts and gather your feelings and express yourself after a bit of rest or after some reflection or contemplation, that's great.

[31:57] Susan Blackwell: I think that's right. And I also think to your earlier point, Laura, your creativity and your self-expression can take so many different forms, and all of those different forms are valid. It doesn't have to be spot on about how you're feeling about politics. I think about one of our wonderful clients who writes wonderful erotica and questioning whether that has validity at this moment, or they should use their energies and channel them towards something that is more quote unquote useful. And I'm like, I think it's pretty useful to be sex positive right now. I think it's pretty useful to live authentically right now and to and to model that for others. So I think that your creativity can look like a lot of different things.

[32:52] Laura Camien: That's right. And all validity needed.

[32:55] Susan Blackwell: Yes. Yes, yes, Susan. Thank you for this. Laura, thank you for being you. What would I do without you?

[33:05] Laura Camien: Oh my God. Laura's just pieced me together with duct tape over here.

[33:09] Susan Blackwell: All right. This episode of the Spark File was made on the lands of the Lenape and the Mohican people. And as always, we hope that this put another bunch of sparks in your file. Thank you to everybody who contributed to all of this today. There was there were more things than I could even include. And I I'm just so credible.

[33:28] Laura Camien: Yeah, thank you. Listen, if there are sparks that you'd like us to explore, or if you'd like to learn more about how to coach with us to accomplish your creative goals, you can email getcreative@thesparkfile.com or you can reach us through our website, thesparkfile.com. We will even happily take your feedback.

[34:17] Susan Blackwell: We truly will. Oh, friends. On the other hand, if something lights you up and gets your creative sparks flying, we do care very much about that. And we are writing you a forever permission slip to make that thing that's been knocking at your door. It's your turn to take that spark and fan it into a flame. You know, you gotta take it and make it.

[34:42] Laura Camien: When I bope into something that inspires me, I dump it in the spark files. Could be something that I wanna make or how I wanna be. I'll pump it in the spark files. I jump into my spark files. Spark five. Let's open up the spark files.