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[0:00] Susan Blackwell: The Sparks File podcast may contain profanity and other adult content.

[0:04] Laura Camien: Please use your discretion.

[0:10] Susan Blackwell: When I bump into something that inspires me, I jump in my spark file.

[0:18] Laura Camien: Spark file to be something that I want to make or how I want to be.

[0:23] Susan Blackwell: I pump it in my spark spot.

[0:28] Laura Camien: I jump into my spark slide.

[0:32] Susan Blackwell: Let's open up the spark file.

[0:37] Laura Camien: Welcome to the Sparks File, where we believe that everyone is creative, but smart creative people don't go it alone.

[0:43] Susan Blackwell: I'm Susan Blackwell, and we are creativity coaches who help people fear less, create more, and bring their creative visions to life.

[0:52] Laura Camien: If you're an OG member of the Sparkfile community, welcome back, Sparkler.

[0:57] Susan Blackwell: If you are joining us for the first time right here at the tail end of season four, welcome.

[1:03] Laura Camien: Welcome, friend. We're so glad you're here. Know that just by listening to this podcast, you are joining a warm and wonderful clan of creatives.

[1:12] Susan Blackwell: And you may be asking yourself, what exactly is a sparkfile? A sparkfile is a place where you consistently collect all of your inspirations and fascinations.

[1:22] Laura Camien: If you're like us and you're making stuff all the time, or you want to be making stuff all the time, you know if you're not careful, your campfire of creativity can flicker out.

[1:31] Susan Blackwell: But don't despair. We're collecting kindling in the form of fresh ideas, images, and inspiration that spark creativity and pique curiosity, all to light a fire under our collective asses to make things like this podcast.

[1:48] Laura Camien: Yeah, the fourth season of this podcast that lasted a very respectable six months.

[1:56] Susan Blackwell: Woo! Very respectable season four, well done.

[2:01] Laura Camien: Every episode, we reach into our spark files and exchange some sparks. And from time to time, we talk to some folks who spark us too.

[2:10] Susan Blackwell: That means we have so many more sparks than we can possibly use in this lifetime. So please, dear friends, if something lights you up, we beg you take that thing and make something out of it.

[2:23] Laura Camien: But without further ado, let's open up the spark spark file, little baby came in.

[2:31] Susan Blackwell: Baby came in. Guess what today is, Laura Camien?

[2:35] Laura Camien: Today is the season finale of season four of the Sparks File Podcast.

[2:40] Susan Blackwell: Is there anything else in the world going on besides that?

[2:44] Laura Camien: I couldn't even make a sentence. Can you believe it? Can you believe it?

[2:50] Susan Blackwell: Congratulations, friends. Can you believe it?

[2:53] Laura Camien: Of all the shockers, that's gotta be real high on the list. There's a thing that you have talked about before, pod fade.

[2:59] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[3:00] Laura Camien: Where most podcasts dwindle out after the—I'm gonna get these stats wrong, but I believe it is some hard-hitting inaccurate journalism.

[3:10] Susan Blackwell: Here we go. Grab something to write with and something to write on. You're gonna want to get this down. Fact check it.

[3:20] Laura Camien: Um, I think there's a certain enormous percentage that don't make it further than like three episodes.

[3:26] Susan Blackwell: Oh.

[3:27] Laura Camien: But majority, like there's 80% of podcasts that do not last more than three months.

[3:33] Susan Blackwell: Oh, well, look at us chugging along. Do you know how many episodes of this podcast we've recorded?

[3:38] Laura Camien: According to Apple, 177.

[3:42] Susan Blackwell: 177 episodes. This is 178, baby.

[3:47] Laura Camien: Baby. I think we're warming up. We're just getting the hang of it.

[3:51] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, we're just getting started. You know what I thought would be fun? I think we did this last season.

[3:56] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[3:57] Susan Blackwell: Oh, wait, I'm sorry, before I launch. Any sparkles, sparklettes, sparklinis?

[4:02] Laura Camien: I have some thoughts, but I also have some thoughts of when I might say them to you. So that time is not now.

[4:09] Susan Blackwell: All right. Can I share one with you?

[4:11] Laura Camien: Yes.

[4:12] Susan Blackwell: Did I just ruin my surprise party? I have mentioned, I think maybe on the last episode of this podcast, about this grove of trees that somebody planted around their house in their front yard.

[4:28] Laura Camien: Yes.

[4:29] Susan Blackwell: That is all shades. It goes from like the darkest maroon blossoms all the way to little light pink cherry blossoms.

[4:39] Laura Camien: Like a crepe myrtle to a cherry blossom.

[4:43] Susan Blackwell: And everything between. Oh my gosh. And it today. It blooms for like one week each year. And today is the day.

[4:53] Laura Camien: And it is stunning.

[4:56] Susan Blackwell: It's so stunning. And you can also hear that with everything in full bloom, my allergies are also in full bloom.

[5:04] Laura Camien: That's not the spark. The spark is the grove of trees, which I am convinced somebody—I would love to go knock on the door of that house and be like, I come in peace. Can you please tell me the story of how this happened?

[5:18] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. Maybe I should put a note in their mailbox.

[5:21] Laura Camien: I was just gonna say, maybe you could put a note in their mailbox that is just inquiring, like would they be open to a visitor walking the groves or a little conversation about the history?

[5:35] Susan Blackwell: What a long game that is to plant an orchard of trees that will not come to maturity until probably you're gone. Because they're mature, those trees are all mature, and they look like they were at one time much smaller, and so the distance between them probably seemed much, much greater.

[5:56] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[5:57] Susan Blackwell: And now you can't see the house. It is enveloped in pink blossoms.

[6:02] Laura Camien: Oh, God, I love it. You know, I'm obsessed with the idea of like who are these incredible people who planted these trees who would—they would never benefit from the planting of long game spark.

[6:16] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. They would never see. We had some of those trees on our property in Florida, and I missed them very, very much. But these old oak trees that were like 70, 80 years old.

[6:29] Laura Camien: Oh anyway, tiny sparklini follow-up. Beautiful. I thought it would be fun if we did what we did last season, which is we could just do a little recap where each of us shares our favorite sparks from this past season that you sparked me with and that I sparked you with, and vice versa.

[6:48] Susan Blackwell: What do you think?

[6:49] Laura Camien: Suze, I think that's a great idea. So we're doing top top spark that I did, top spark that you did.

[6:56] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, like one that you did that you loved, one that I did that you loved, making a big assumption with that, but—and then vice versa.

[7:03] Laura Camien: Yeah. So maybe we'll trade off. But you get to go first, however you want to.

[7:07] Susan Blackwell: Okay, I'm gonna reach do it.

[7:08] Laura Camien: Do it.

[7:09] Susan Blackwell: I'm basing my choice on some thoughts that linger with me. I'm not gonna lie to you listeners. There are certain—sometimes I'll write a spark about something, and then I'll be talking to someone three months later, and they're like, it's like the spark you wrote. I'm like, huh? What is that? Where'd you get that? Oh, I said that. Oh, really? I did that research. I don't, yeah, I don't recall it. I'm a genius. And that just says more about my short-term memory.

[7:38] Laura Camien: But there are some that really stay with me, and I keep thinking about, and I'm like, oh, there's more I could have said. There's stuff I could add. And there's one that I did this season called Artists and Athletes.

[7:53] Susan Blackwell: And I loved writing it. I spoke at length with Deaton Bell, who's not only a dear friend, but one of our illumineers in the Sparks File and an Emmy Award-winning sports content producer.

[8:05] Laura Camien: So many Emmys.

[8:06] Susan Blackwell: That kid. He's incredible. And anyway, we have this long conversation about it and just swapping stories. And so one, the preparation of it was super fun.

[8:16] Laura Camien: But two, I've just continued to roll around in my mind these things, these concepts. Like, you know, in sports and professional sports, no one questions having a coach, having a team.

[8:30] Susan Blackwell: In fact, if you're on a team and someone has a bad attitude about the game or the team vibe overall, like they would get spoken to, they would not be on good terms with everyone.

[8:41] Laura Camien: And yet, as artists, like we're often surrounded by people who don't have the greatest attitude, who have been wounded or hurt themselves by their attempts at creativity and are more than happy to pass on those kind of negative and limiting belief systems.

[8:57] Susan Blackwell: And it just wouldn't have with athletes, no way.

[9:01] Laura Camien: No, like don't get your limiting belief around me.

[9:04] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. I've got things to do, and I can see what I want to accomplish. And if you're on my team, it's our job to see like how am I gonna do that. Not list all the ways you probably won't, but to actually visualize how we're gonna accomplish what we want to accomplish.

[9:21] Laura Camien: This is really top of mind now because the NBA playoffs are happening.

[9:27] Susan Blackwell: And Wes—Sweet Wesley—Day has been a LeBron James fan.

[9:31] Laura Camien: I know this is Suze. I failed to prepare you for the fact that I'm about to say one of the most controversial statements on the Sparks File podcast that we've ever said. I'll probably get hate mail for this.

[9:40] Susan Blackwell: Because people really, really do love or hate LeBron James.

[9:46] Laura Camien: Oh, really?

[9:47] Susan Blackwell: Yes. There are people that don't like LeBron James.

[9:51] Laura Camien: Suze, we are living in a world where just because so many people love something, there's going to be a contingent of people who are like, I don't love that.

[9:59] Susan Blackwell: Yes. Oppositional defiance.

[10:02] Laura Camien: Absolutely. So there's that. But I mean, they may have other reasons why they don't like him. But in our house, we're big LeBron fans.

[10:11] Susan Blackwell: He might go by LeBris, LeBlanc, LeBron, LeBron, whatever you just put La in front of it, and we know who we're talking about.

[10:20] Laura Camien: So Wes loves watching the full season of basketball. And I, being a busy person who enjoys sports, but can't dedicate myself to the watching of them, I have said to him very early in our relationship, like, look, I can do the playoffs. And maybe even a few weeks leading up to the playoffs, I can get excited about it, and then I'm right there with you, full participation.

[10:46] Susan Blackwell: But it's a—like their season is like a hundred and some games. It's just too much. It's gonna start again in a few months.

[10:54] Laura Camien: So we are in the midst of watching the NBA playoffs. So the artists and athletes is very top of mind for me as I watch people fail, as I watch people like again, take—they take their shot, a big shot, a game-ending shot that's either gonna win or lose.

[11:10] Susan Blackwell: They take it, and if they don't make it, they have to get immediately back on the horse. Like they just—there is no time to be like, oh man, let me think about how I fucked that up.

[11:23] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[11:23] Susan Blackwell: You just have to keep going. And first of all, I'm fascinated by that. And then the other day, the Milwaukee Bucks were knocked out in a playoff game.

[11:34] Laura Camien: Like it was the series-ending game, and they did not win it.

[11:40] Susan Blackwell: And one of their major players, his last name is Antetokounmpo.

[11:45] Laura Camien: Oh my gosh.

[11:48] Susan Blackwell: I thought you might be saying this. I was gonna spark you with this, and here you're sparking us with this.

[11:54] Laura Camien: I'm sparking you with this.

[11:57] Susan Blackwell: I cannot believe I booked this in my Sparks File. I'm so stoked that you're gonna share this.

[12:05] Laura Camien: This press conference where, you know, they just lost their out. They made it to the playoffs. They got knocked out in the first round. And one of the journalists asks him, like, so do you think this season was a failure?

[12:19] Susan Blackwell: And he kind of goes on a rant that I respect so much, and I know you do too. I would call it more like a TED talk. I was like, this is a good thing. This is like a two-minute master class in what, how you define failure.

[12:36] Laura Camien: And I love that he used it as a learning opportunity for the journalist and therefore by proxy for everyone.

[12:45] Susan Blackwell: And everyone else. That's right.

[12:47] Laura Camien: So good. And basically he turned it on the journalist and was like, you know, I assume you work every—every year, you do your job, you hope for a promotion, you're trying to take care of yourself, take care of your family. If you didn't get a promotion this year, was the whole year a failure? Was the whole thing a failure? No. And just like our entire season was not a failure. Sometimes it's your day and you get to win, and sometimes it's not your day and you don't, but it's all incremental, and you keep to, you know, we're gonna get back up tomorrow. We're gonna start working towards next year.

[13:23] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. I just loved it. Again, sometimes like we have so much to learn from athletes in regard to how they process a loss.

[13:35] Laura Camien: And again, we said it before, but the frequency with which you do things helps because yes, they lost last night, they're gonna play again tomorrow night or the next night. They're gonna get right back up and do it again.

[13:49] Susan Blackwell: And so I think as artists and creatives, the more quickly we can say, Oh, okay, that stung a little bit, and I'm back on it, I'm doing it again. I'm putting myself back out there. I'm putting—or I'm changing something or trying something different and doing it again.

[14:08] Laura Camien: Yeah, I just get fired up about that. That's awesome. That was one long ass answer.

[14:15] Susan Blackwell: Um, I think one of my favorite sparks that I did was that Toni Morrison spark.

[14:23] Laura Camien: Yes.

[14:24] Susan Blackwell: And again, just what you said. There's some times when we're crafting these sparks where the preparation is so pleasurable because of who you get to talk to or what you get to read or what you get to watch.

[14:41] Laura Camien: And that Toni Morrison spark is the spark that keeps on giving. I just finished listening to Beloved, the audiobook of Beloved, which she reads.

[14:51] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. And I just every time I'm in one of her books in the midst of it, everybody that I speak to, I'm just like, you gotta get into this Tony Morrison on audio. Her voice is so her voice reading her own words is so good. And I just oh god. So for me, that and I'd said it before, I'm saying it again now. You gotta get into Tony Morrison reading her own work.

[15:22] Laura Camien: Amen.

[15:23] Susan Blackwell: Amen. That spark has legs, baby. Thank you for that message, Susan. Message received. That's a goodie. So good. One that you did um that has has had legs and really stuck with me is the spark you did on AI and creativity and creatives, I think. And I think um you may not be checking the messages from the Sparks file to you, your personal Instagram. But whenever I'm on Instagram for the Sparks File and I see something, there's a million things, Suze. Like they discovered that AI, you can ask it to do something, you know, whatever a prompt is that might be like an administrative task, and it can use all the tools available to it. AI can mimic being a human and go on one of those taskmaster sites and hire a human to do the task.

[16:22] Susan Blackwell: Uh-huh.

[16:23] Laura Camien: And then I sent you another one. And this is something to think about with people as as there's so much of our recorded voice out there. Oh, yeah. But a thing going around where there's a big scam where your family member is called and they use your voice to convince that family member that they either you were yeah, you were in a car accident, you need money right away, or they have you hostage, and they can, you know, quote unquote put you on the phone and use this recorded manipulation of your recorded voice to make it sound like you are in fact there. And keep you on the phone by saying, Don't hang up, don't, you know, really manipulate people. It's a conversation I was having with my sister because I think people, anybody who has enough of their voice out in the public domain, yeah, like podcasters.

[17:14] Susan Blackwell: Exactly.

[17:15] Laura Camien: You your voice, we have we we have we've did I mention we've done 177 episodes. We have so much of our voice sample out in the world. And so yeah, it's uh it's a little bit scary.

[17:29] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[17:29] Laura Camien: So I just keep sending they're they're happening so fast and furious. I just keep sending them to you like, oh my god, now this, now this. So that that one was really, really sticky. And also I've tried, you know, chat GPT since that conversation and and since the subsequent conversations about it, have not trusted the answers that I've gotten from Chat GPT. And I would like to just say that again. I feel like this sense of an unclosed loop that some of the stuff that I shared in that episode, I relied on chat GPT, and subsequently I think it created whole cloth and lied about certain anecdotes.

[18:11] Susan Blackwell: I think that it's probably probably more accurate when it comes to sort of hard facts, but it seems like it takes some real creative talk about creative license. Like I think that AI is really, really questionable.

[18:28] Laura Camien: I tried using it, full disclosure, I tried using it when I did the spark about the moth. And I was trying to recollect my own memory of like what we did when Blue Man, as Blue Man people and the Moth, we did a special event together, all described in that episode.

[18:45] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[18:46] Laura Camien: But I was like, now when was that? And I had Chat GPT open and I asked it to find it for me.

[18:52] Susan Blackwell: Yep.

[18:53] Laura Camien: And it was completely wrong. Everything was wrong.

[18:57] Susan Blackwell: Yep.

[18:58] Laura Camien: That was not the theme of the night. That was not the date of the event. Those were not the speakers. Every bit of it was wrong.

[19:04] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[19:05] Laura Camien: I think that AI is going to, this is a real moment when it's just gonna keep on keeping on. It's a little bit like the beginning of the internet. We're not going back from here, but it is filled with wild inaccuracies.

[19:22] Susan Blackwell: Well, and also if a human can think it and do it, AI is being trained to be able to think it and do it. And so that means negative things can be can be done by AI, positive things can be done by AI.

[19:38] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[19:39] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. But anyway, that one was sticky, Suze. That was very sticky.

[19:41] Laura Camien: That was a sticky one. I'll tell you what stuck for me, a spark that you did. So many good sparks this season. The spark that just got me rolling. And I still think about it and I still refer to it was the new rules. God fucking spark about like yes to this, no to that. I still think about it every time. I was about to say I saw a TikTok of this basketball player.

[20:12] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[20:12] Laura Camien: And then I catch myself and I and I tried to pass it off like an article that I read.

[20:17] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[20:18] Laura Camien: I loved that spark, Laura Cambian. It still delights me.

[20:22] Susan Blackwell: Oh, thank you. It's so fun because other people have said too, you know, there, I think I said there was like 178 new rules, and we only went over maybe 30 of them. And we had people say, like, I'm I want the rest of them. Like I could talk uh about all of these ridiculous rules. We almost went back and did a set a follow-up on that.

[20:43] Laura Camien: So fucking funny. God damn, that made me laugh. That got that gave me the giggles. That's good stuff. Thank you, New York magazine. It's a good spark when it gets you get those church giggles.

[20:53] Susan Blackwell: Um so that's what happened on the pod. IRL in real life. We launched Ignite, which is our eight-session creativity jump start. That's started. It is an amazing, amazing cohort of people. Every time we launch a cohort, I pinch myself of like, look at these incredible human beings, fantastic artists with beautiful souls, like really, really good people with extraordinary talent.

[21:30] Laura Camien: And I just pinch myself that we get to spend time with and work with these so many people. And it's so fun for us to then discover like the relationships and friendships and collaborations and all of it that's forming among them.

[21:48] Susan Blackwell: I forgot I didn't tell you this. So, Suze, in our creativity labs on Tuesday, we have different breakout rooms, and there's a room where you can go and just get your work done. That's called the Quiet Car.

[21:49] Laura Camien: Right.

[21:49] Susan Blackwell: And there's a room where you can anyone who wants to speak things aloud, like sing a song that they're working on, do five minutes of a stand-up they're working on, read pages, et cetera. And we call that one the cabaret car. And one of our sweet Courtney, it was her first time in the lab.

[22:17] Laura Camien: She texted me and was like, what an amazing.

[22:21] Susan Blackwell: I loved the, I loved the um cabaret car.

[22:24] Laura Camien: And I texted back and was like, oh, did you see some amazing shares?

[22:29] Susan Blackwell: And she wrote, No, not at all. There was just three like newbies in there at first. And we just we went in there to be an audience for the shares, but right at the top, there weren't any shares. And she said, we just got to talking about our creative goals and our passions, our pursuits, and we renamed it the bar car, um, which was very funny.

[22:52] Susan Blackwell: That's what I'm talking about.

[22:53] Laura Camien: That's awesome. But then people did come in and share as well. So they were joined in in the but I just had a laugh.

[23:00] Susan Blackwell: That's a great use of the cabaret car.

[23:03] Laura Camien: Yes. To talk out loud to discuss what you're making. That's fantastic. I love that, Courtney. Thank you for sharing that, Laura.

[23:10] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. Super, super fun. I failed to tell you speaking of relationships. I was watching at regular intervals during the course of Sparkfile courses. People do creativity shares, which can take many forms, but it's essentially them sharing a piece of whatever their big creative goal is, and then they can ask for the feedback they need to advance them to the next level with their project.

[23:37] Laura Camien: And I was watching Creativity Shares today.

[23:40] Susan Blackwell: I was watching a replay of the video.

[23:42] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[23:43] Susan Blackwell: And one of our folks, Will Murdoch shared this beautiful piece of a novel that he's writing. It is delicious. And in the feedback, Seth Marquette, another wonderful, wonderful SparkFile community member.

[24:01] Laura Camien: Yes.

[24:02] Susan Blackwell: Said, you know, to the group, some of whom have been there longer than others. He said, you know, Will and I have been friends for a long time. So dot dot dot. And I was like, I'm pretty sure you met in the Sparks File. So, but I think they met in the Sparks file, and we've been doing it long enough that they can have been friends for a long time.

[24:22] Laura Camien: Oh my god.

[24:23] Susan Blackwell: Unless they went to kindergarten together and I don't know about it.

[24:26] Laura Camien: And we just don't know it.

[24:27] Susan Blackwell: I don't think so. Wow. We do have people that are like we know each other from high school in Alaska. We have some of that.

[24:33] Laura Camien: That happens sometimes.

[24:34] Susan Blackwell: We just but I think I have to double check. But it it just made me so happy because I was like, I love that people in the Sparks File could say we've been friends for a long time.

[24:38] Laura Camien: Friends for a long time, that's really special.

[24:50] Susan Blackwell: Isn't that nice?

[24:51] Laura Camien: Oh man, we're really sentimental today.

[24:54] Susan Blackwell: Well, it's because it's the finality.

[24:56] Laura Camien: Oh, I know.

[24:57] Susan Blackwell: We're softies, we're big softies. Um, ignite, they're beautiful, they're kicking ass.

[25:04] Laura Camien: Amazing.

[25:04] Susan Blackwell: Blazers are six month program. They are in the midst of these creativity shares, and it is a thing of beauty. And the same with our Illum mastermind group. This is a year-long program, and they're getting into these like 40-minute, 60-minute long-form creativity shares where we're like going d hee heap.

[25:26] Laura Camien: So we had a conversation, it was actually inspired by them.

[25:30] Susan Blackwell: This this concept of taking their projects from good to great.

[25:34] Laura Camien: Yeah, like now they're in it, they're in it deeply. And how do you get from like this is rock solid to something that is transcendent or cathartic for people?

[25:44] Susan Blackwell: So that everything everybody's doing really, really well. If any of this sounds interesting to you, the next time the doors will open will be in the fall of 2023.

[25:55] Laura Camien: That's right.

[25:55] Susan Blackwell: That's right. So you can catch us then.

[25:58] Laura Camien: But if you want to make sure that you know what's what, you can join our email list at the sparkfile.com and um let us know you're interested, and we can keep you posted.

[26:09] Susan Blackwell: We'll totally keep you posted.

[26:11] Laura Camien: Yeah, it's always a good idea to tell people that Suze.

[26:14] Susan Blackwell: Well, listen, it's gonna be a minute, but it'll be here before you know it. Right now, it's spring.

[26:23] Laura Camien: The pink grove is blossoming.

[26:25] Susan Blackwell: Before you know it, it's gonna be bikini weather.

[26:28] Laura Camien: Yes, and then before you know it, it's gonna be fall again.

[26:31] Susan Blackwell: True.

[26:32] Laura Camien: This you speak the truth. Right now, the buds are on the trees, but before you know it, you can um join us in the spark file if you are so moved.

[26:40] Susan Blackwell: Oh, friends, I I feel a little like I feel nostalgic already for season four.

[26:47] Laura Camien: This has been our season four of the Sparkfile Podcast.

[26:52] Susan Blackwell: This has been our season four. Can you believe it, Laura Canyon?

[26:58] Laura Camien: Congratulations.

[26:59] Susan Blackwell: Thank you. Congrats to you too, Suze. We did it and we're not stopping.

[27:04] Laura Camien: We'll be back for season five, too.

[27:06] Susan Blackwell: We'll be back for season five. But in the meantime, keep creating.

[27:11] Laura Camien: That's right.

[27:12] Susan Blackwell: Keep going.

[27:14] Laura Camien: Keep going.

[27:15] Susan Blackwell: Keep going and going and going.

[27:17] Laura Camien: And none of it is failure.

[27:19] Susan Blackwell: None of it is failure.

[27:20] Laura Camien: That is right. We succeed incrementally.

[27:23] Susan Blackwell: Keep going. It's all progress. Friends, I guess that's it.

[27:26] Laura Camien: This episode of The Spark File was made on the lands of the Lenape people, which is in full bloom.

[27:34] Susan Blackwell: And as always, we hope this put another bunch of sparks in your file. If there's a spark you'd like us to explore, or if you'd like to learn more about how to coach with us to bring your creative ideas to life, you can email us at the sparkfile at gmail.com.

[27:48] Laura Camien: You can submit through our website, thesparkfile.com.

[27:52] Susan Blackwell: Oh my God. You can even send us feedback. You know that. But there is a price of admission. First, you have to share a creative risk that you have taken recently.

[28:02] Laura Camien: You can follow us on social at the Sparkfile and be sure to subscribe, rate, and five star review this podcast. It really helps other listeners to find us.

[28:11] Susan Blackwell: Also, if you liked this podcast, we hope that you'll share it with people that you love.

[28:15] Laura Camien: And if you didn't like it, again, I don't know what to tell you.

[28:19] Susan Blackwell: We are four seasons in 177 episodes.

[28:26] Laura Camien: So if you didn't like it, um we're still gonna keep going.

[28:26] Susan Blackwell: We're still gonna keep going.

[28:32] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[28:33] Susan Blackwell: We really that's tough news to hear, but we are gonna keep going.

[28:38] Laura Camien: So something lights you up and gets your creative sparks flying.

[28:43] Susan Blackwell: We are writing you a forever permission slip to make that thing that has been knocking at your door.

[28:49] Laura Camien: It's your turn to take that spark and fan it into a flame.

[28:54] Susan Blackwell: You know, you gotta take it and make it.

[29:00] Laura Camien: Congratulations.

[29:02] Susan Blackwell: Congrats, Zeus!

[29:03] Laura Camien: Thanks for listening, listeners.

[29:05] Susan Blackwell: We adore you.

[29:06] Laura Camien: We really do.

[29:07] Susan Blackwell: We're thankful for you.

[29:09] Laura Camien: Bye.

[29:10] Susan Blackwell: Bye.

[29:11] Laura Camien: When I bope into something that inspires me, I dump it in the spark files.

[29:20] Susan Blackwell: Spark could be something that I wanna make or how I wanna be.

[29:26] Laura Camien: I'll pump it in the spark files.

[29:31] Susan Blackwell: I jump into my spark files.

[29:34] Laura Camien: Sparkfile.

[29:36] Susan Blackwell: Let's open up the spark files.