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[0:00] Susan Blackwell: The Spark File podcast may contain profanity and other adult content.

[0:04] Laura Camien: Please use your discretion.

[0:09] Susan Blackwell: When I bump into something that inspires me, I jump in my spark file.

[0:18] Laura Camien: Spark file will be something that I wanna make or how I wanna be.

[0:23] Susan Blackwell: I pump it in my spark.

[0:26] Laura Camien: Spark.

[0:28] Susan Blackwell: I jump into my spark slide.

[0:32] Laura Camien: Let's open up the spark file.

[0:37] Laura Camien: Welcome to the Spark File, where we believe that everyone is creative, but smart creative people don't go it alone.

[0:42] Susan Blackwell: Hey, I'm Laura Camien.

[0:44] Susan Blackwell: And I am Susan Blackwell, and we are creativity coaches who help people clarify and accomplish their creative goals.

[0:50] Susan Blackwell: Know that just by listening to this podcast, you're joining a warm and wonderful clan of creatives.

[0:57] Laura Camien: But you also may be asking yourself, what exactly is a spark file?

[1:01] Susan Blackwell: Well, a spark file is a place where you consistently collect all of your inspirations and fascinations.

[1:07] Laura Camien: Every episode, we're gonna reach into our spark files and exchange some sparks.

[1:13] Susan Blackwell: And from time to time, we're gonna talk to some folks who spark us too.

[1:16] Laura Camien: And your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to take some of those sparks of inspiration and make something of your own.

[1:23] Susan Blackwell: So without further ado, let's open up the Spark File.

[1:28] Laura Camien: You know what I just remembered, Laura Camien?

[1:30] Susan Blackwell: What did you just remember?

[1:31] Laura Camien: We have a podcast.

[1:34] Susan Blackwell: What gave it away?

[1:36] Laura Camien: The intro.

[1:37] Susan Blackwell: Laura, that is crazy.

[1:40] Laura Camien: We have a podcast.

[1:41] Susan Blackwell: We're in our fifth season of five years.

[1:44] Laura Camien: We've had this podcast.

[1:46] Susan Blackwell: That is correct.

[1:48] Susan Blackwell: And I'm really proud of us.

[1:49] Laura Camien: I just weirdly went back through today and I saw an email that we sent before season five launched.

[1:56] Susan Blackwell: Uh-huh.

[1:57] Laura Camien: And I was like, oh yeah, we spelled it out for everybody.

[2:02] Susan Blackwell: We did not intend for that long gap between season four and season five.

[2:07] Laura Camien: Oopsie poopsies.

[2:08] Susan Blackwell: Oopsie poopsies, but we named all of the things.

[2:11] Laura Camien: Here's what happened.

[2:12] Laura Camien: You know, we took on a bigger load than we could handle, frankly, and we needed to, you know, play some other things out before we could get back to this.

[2:20] Susan Blackwell: And we named a couple other factors, but then the big one was we had so many improvements we wanted to make.

[2:29] Laura Camien: That list in our mind grew so big that we kind of got paralysis.

[2:34] Susan Blackwell: You know, it's like we need to add it to YouTube.

[2:37] Laura Camien: We should make the episode shorter, we should do video, we need to fix our website page like just all of those things became an enormous beast in our minds.

[2:53] Susan Blackwell: But we did to slay that beast, and we did, and here we are with season five.

[2:59] Laura Camien: A great team of people.

[3:01] Susan Blackwell: That's right.

[3:02] Susan Blackwell: And we named them in that email as well, and I'm so glad we did.

[3:05] Laura Camien: We're like, we have Corey, we have James, we have Tim, we have Juliet, and we have a new friend named AI.

[3:14] Susan Blackwell: What?

[3:15] Laura Camien: Yes, to help with those transcripts.

[3:18] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, we got a whole team, yeah.

[3:22] Laura Camien: It's great.

[3:23] Susan Blackwell: I'm happy that we're doing it, and I'm amazed that I've been doing anything consistently except for that little break for this long.

[3:31] Laura Camien: Good for us.

[3:32] Susan Blackwell: Good for us.

[3:32] Laura Camien: I'm proud of us, yeah.

[3:35] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[3:35] Laura Camien: Do you have a spark for me today?

[3:37] Susan Blackwell: I've got a spark for you, Suze.

[3:39] Laura Camien: I've got a spark for you.

[3:41] Laura Camien: And um, I have a I'm having a self-consciousness and a little bit of fear that I just want to name at the top.

[3:51] Laura Camien: I'm gonna talk about some like big things, and I want to make sure that it's not I'm not taking any of these things lightly, and I don't mean to be trite about them.

[4:02] Laura Camien: And near the end, I will talk about like the more extreme versions of these things and um thoughts on that.

[4:12] Susan Blackwell: Okay, so I just want to say that um, I'm not taking this lightly, but I have been thinking about it a lot.

[4:17] Laura Camien: Okay.

[4:18] Laura Camien: Um, we've been talking to a lot of our clients recently about the really big feelings that we've all been having, you know, alternating between rage and anger, betrayal, um sometimes the paralyzing feelings of like sadness or numbness or anxiety or denial.

[4:40] Laura Camien: Like we've people are experiencing a lot of feelings in this moment, and in these conversations, we have offered up a lot of thoughts and a lot of ideas, and some of them we've even talked about on the podcast.

[4:54] Laura Camien: Um, but one of the things that I've been saying, which I've really believe in, but I do think needs more context than what I've given it so far.

[5:05] Laura Camien: And that is my suggestion that we go all the way there.

[5:10] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, and you've heard me say that.

[5:12] Laura Camien: I have go all the way there, whatever the you know, emotion is, and what I mean by that is to feel the full extent of the feeling and let it move all the way through you.

[5:26] Laura Camien: To be present to it, to be present to it, and you know, we've talked about this long ago on the podcast.

[5:33] Laura Camien: Emotions, as long as they stay in motion, can't harm you.

[5:38] Susan Blackwell: They are clouds rolling by.

[5:40] Laura Camien: If we let them simply flow all the way through us and out the other side, we're fine.

[5:48] Susan Blackwell: But if they lodge somewhere within us or if we trap them, put them in a little room in our mind and close that door because we're afraid of them.

[5:58] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[5:59] Laura Camien: Or because they're too big, they actually can hurt us.

[6:03] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[6:04] Laura Camien: And that can be in a variety of ways, but one, if we never if we don't let them move through us, we never really move on from them because we haven't allowed ourselves to feel them and process them.

[6:20] Laura Camien: And number two, if they stick around long enough, they can potentially cause disease.

[6:25] Susan Blackwell: And so I've been reflecting on these conversations and there's something that I think I've failed to say.

[6:32] Laura Camien: So I just want to dig into it a little more deeply today.

[6:36] Susan Blackwell: Awesome.

[6:38] Laura Camien: So when I say go all the way there, I think that there can be a fear that this means give in to the feeling completely.

[6:47] Susan Blackwell: And there may be a worry that that would mean like oh no if I give in to this sadness it will send me into depression and I'll never get out of bed again.

[6:58] Laura Camien: Yep.

[6:59] Laura Camien: Or if I indulge this anger, I actually will kick someone in the face.

[7:04] Susan Blackwell: And that's not what I mean.

[7:07] Susan Blackwell: That's not what we're going for here.

[7:09] Laura Camien: That's not your version of going all the way there, kicking someone right in the face.

[7:14] Susan Blackwell: It's not.

[7:14] Susan Blackwell: It's not.

[7:15] Laura Camien: But indulging the anger in a healthy way is definitely part of going all the way there.

[7:22] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[7:23] Laura Camien: So I'm suggesting go all the way there, meaning feel all those feelings, make conscious decisions to let them move through you.

[7:33] Susan Blackwell: And I want to offer some ways to do this.

[7:36] Laura Camien: First, I will remind you that I'm not a therapist.

[7:40] Susan Blackwell: Okay.

[7:40] Laura Camien: And if you're getting your therapy advice from this podcast, uh, I think you could do worse, but I just want to do a better therapist.

[7:50] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[7:51] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[7:52] Laura Camien: But I'm just a highly sensitive, empathetic human being who has learned how to cope with really big feelings.

[8:01] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[8:01] Laura Camien: And so I'm gonna share a little process that I use to go all the way there and let a feeling move all the way through me.

[8:12] Laura Camien: So first of all, I identify the feeling.

[8:16] Laura Camien: So identify the feeling that's happening in your body.

[8:19] Laura Camien: Name it, accept it, and here's where it gets weird.

[8:23] Laura Camien: And it's gonna get weirder, but it starts here.

[8:27] Laura Camien: Talk to it if you like.

[8:30] Laura Camien: Simon and Garfunkel did it.

[8:32] Laura Camien: Hello, darkness, my old friend.

[8:34] Susan Blackwell: Or the chic, formerly known as the Dixie Chicks, to sang, hello, Mr. Heartache.

[8:40] Laura Camien: I've been expecting you.

[8:42] Laura Camien: Come in and wear your welcome out the way you always do.

[8:46] Susan Blackwell: It might feel silly, but it's really powerful to recognize the emotion and speak right to it.

[8:54] Laura Camien: We're so accustomed and trained to like fight it off, ignore it, deny it entry, all of the above.

[9:03] Susan Blackwell: And we've all heard that saying, what we resist persists.

[9:07] Laura Camien: That's what this is all about.

[9:10] Laura Camien: If you resist that emotion, it's just hanging in there and it's gonna keep knocking.

[9:15] Susan Blackwell: So this tactic is like saying, Hey, I see that you're here.

[9:20] Laura Camien: I'm willing to listen to what you have to say, and then you'll be on your way.

[9:31] Susan Blackwell: But this one is with ourselves.

[9:34] Laura Camien: So breathe into it and say, okay, here we go.

[9:38] Laura Camien: I have observed you.

[9:41] Laura Camien: You have recounted to me, Laura.

[9:44] Susan Blackwell: Like Laura is not just saying, here's something handy, here's a life hack I've heard about.

[9:51] Laura Camien: You will you will call it out and recount it where you're like, I'm like, How are you? How was your evening?

[9:57] Susan Blackwell: And you'll be like, Yeah, I noticed, I think around the stress of the recent Illum showcase, uh-huh, where you were like, Yeah, I noticed that I was starting to feel a certain way.

[10:11] Laura Camien: And I said, Oh, I know you I recognize you.

[10:17] Susan Blackwell: Like you're not fucking around.

[10:19] Laura Camien: You actually do this.

[10:23] Laura Camien: And when I tell you, like, I am a highly sensitive person who was uh in my younger years, criticized for all of my feelings.

[10:34] Susan Blackwell: The suppression of my feelings was very important in terms of getting by in our household.

[10:42] Laura Camien: Um, so decades of first of all, not being able to identify my own feelings because I had been so removed from them, and the training of putting a smile on on my face, and it everything is fine and we're happy and we're positive.

[11:02] Susan Blackwell: And I do, I I really do identify myself as a very positive person, and I still feel that way, even though I allow well, like now I allow all the other, you know, rainbow of feelings to course through me.

[11:16] Laura Camien: All right.

[11:17] Laura Camien: So, number one, we're gonna identify it and maybe even talk to it.

[11:21] Susan Blackwell: Sure.

[11:21] Laura Camien: Okay.

[11:22] Laura Camien: Number two, if you can, we're gonna clear some time in our schedule to make space for the emotion.

[11:29] Laura Camien: I know it's not always possible, but if you can, and that might be like I'm gonna stay in bed another hour and just you know, feel this way, or um today I'm not gonna go anywhere.

[11:42] Susan Blackwell: I'm going to let myself feel this way. But the important thing here is when you clear some time in your schedule to make space for the emotion, release all guilt about doing it. So you're not gonna double down on guilt of like I canceled my plans with my friends. Now I feel I feel shitty about it. Now I feel shitty about something else. So we release all guilt, we make some space. If you're able to give yourself some time to feel these feelings, you will be all the better for it. It's not always possible. Those are the times we have to suck it up, buttercup and stay focused. Like we have a meeting or we have to fulfill an obligation, that's fine. But it is especially helpful to know that tonight I've cleared my schedule to simply feel sad if I need to.

Just give it some room. And that might mean I'm gonna allow myself to get a slow start to my day for the whole next week, or I'm canceling social plans in the evening this week. I'm just making space and not giving myself guilt about it.

[12:51] Susan Blackwell: Number three, I like to warn the people around me. Truly. Like if I have to be with other people for meetings or otherwise, I might say, today is a day that I would have sequestered myself if I could. No one needs to be around this, and I want to recognize that. Confirmed. Confirmed. Yes. You have received warnings where I'm just like, I'm recognizing it. If I had had a choice about this, I would have kept myself to myself today and not shared this with anyone. But here we are, and we're moving forward. Or if it's just me and Wes, I might give him a warning like, I'm really sad today. I'm gonna let myself be sad. I just want you to know it isn't anything to do with you, and you don't need to fix anything.

I just need to be sad. And I might say, I'm gonna treat myself with extra care today. That's it. It's very specifically about not punishing others for the feeling that you're having. You're just feeling a feeling, that's all. You're not pointing it at them, and you're not asking them to fix it.

[14:06] Susan Blackwell: Which leads to number four. If you've ever spent time with a toddler, it is so easy to watch the emotions flow through this little being, crying and screaming one moment, laughing the next, sleeping, crying again. There isn't any, I shouldn't be feeling this way. They don't have a concept of that until they are taught that they shouldn't be feeling this way and they need to suppress it. So I will connect with that little toddler in me and just see what it needs. Literally ask yourself, do we need to cry? Okay. We'll get some music that makes us cry. Susan gave some great We've got a playlist. We've got a playlist. The I Need to Cry playlist. Um, or go to movies or stories that make me cry and just truly cry.

Open up the floodgates, let it rip. A little more complex. Do we need to punch someone? Okay. How can we move that energy without really punching someone? We can go to the gym, hit a punching bag in the literal sense, or we can scream into our pillow, we can go for a run, a walk, anything that exerts physical energy. So again, I'm saying go all the way there. And that doesn't mean stop living your life.

[15:41] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. Oh, yeah, stop living your life. Stop living your life and go all the way like under the covers, never to be seen again. Yeah. No, you're still you're going all the way there, and you're giving yourself the opportunity to let that emotion move. Yes. I've heard somebody say, just don't rent an apartment there. That's like you don't have to like set up house in correct. You know, you're not gonna move there. Yeah. Yeah. But you're just visiting. Well, they're what I think of is like this is my house. And that emotion visiting. Yeah, they're not moving in. Yeah. Um, so we've named them, declared them, owned them. We've given fair warning to anyone who needs it. If we're able to make dedicated time for them, great. We're giving them room. And then we're gonna dive head on into the feeling. So, like I said, we're doing this while living our lives. How do we do that? While we are sad or angry or anxious. And here is where I admit it gets weird.

[16:55] Susan Blackwell: Weirder. In my system, having warned anyone that needs warning, I then go about my life 100% in the feeling, meaning I'm not spending any energy trying to mask or hide or change the feeling. I'm going all the way there. And I often narrate in my head as I go. So it might sound like this. I'm so angry. I'm going to the store to get groceries. I'm gonna get good nutritious food, but I'm angry about it. Or I'm sad and I'm brushing my teeth, but I'm gonna be sad about it. Look at that. Looking in the mirror, I'm a sad person brushing her teeth. That's what that looks like. I'm despondent and I'm going for a walk. This is what it looks like for a despondent person to go for a walk. This is it. Here it is.

I'm doing it. And sometimes when the feeling that I'm feeling is small enough, meaning like I'm not talking about life or enormous loss, right? Yeah. Just saying these things like, I'm sad. I'm so sad. I'm brushing my teeth in a very sad, sad way. It is enough to make me start to laugh.

[18:22] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. It feels so pitiful. And I start to giggle and it helps me move through it faster. I just sometimes am like, great, having truly recognized it and said, you're it's fine that you're here. And I will very quickly forget that that is the emotion that I was having. Yeah. Sometimes I've planned to be sad for a whole day, start to finish. I've changed my schedule, given it room, got under the covers, prepared to watch sad movies all day, being so completely all the way in. And sometimes like it can just be like an hour later. Like I'm up, either I've started to find it all really comical, or I've gotten bored with feeling sad and I'm done with it. I'm it's done. So again, I know that some of the big feelings that we're feeling right now, especially fear and anxiety about the future, I don't expect that a few giggles are gonna shake those off. I actually expect that those are gonna keep coming at us in waves, right? I don't want to take those lightly. Uh, but we'll talk more about that in just a minute. Before I do that, step five.

[19:39] Susan Blackwell: You know how I said I often narrate my emotional release. Step five is give it a voice. Give it a voice. So you talk to it and then it talks back to you. It can, yeah. It can talk. And and by that, I mean is it France? Sometimes. But what I mean by give it a voice is give it a creative outlet. Now I journal and I write. And so let it like get it out on the page. Yeah. Um, I've written scenes and plays that have come directly from painful experiences. Yes, typing and crying. Typing and crying, or more accurately, from the way in which my emotion interpreted that experience. That's fine. It has a voice. Let it out. Um, the songs, write it into a song, bake it into a cake, whatever you need. And please, for the love of God, let it be messy.

Like let it be a hot mess. Whatever, however, that emotion wants to express itself. I saw I just had the image of like making mud pies when I was younger, you know. And yes, sometimes you make a tidy, clean little mud pie, and sometimes like you throw that mud around. So let things be messy if they need to be.

[21:02] Susan Blackwell: You gotta resurrect the deep pain within you and give it a place to live that's not within your body. Let it live in art, let it live in writing, let it live in music, let it be devoured by building brighter connections. Your body is not a coffin for pain to be buried in. Put it somewhere else. Yes. And I, yes. Yes. I mean, at the Spark File, we believe in this wholeheartedly. Yeah. Put it somewhere else. Yeah. So that's what I mean by give it a voice. Put it somewhere else. Let it move up and out of you. And we were having this great conversation with our clients, and I think it was Sue Kayampa who brought up this idea, you know, we're often told not to create from a wound. And I think it's really interesting.

I have a different take on that. I think we should create from a wound whenever we can. It will help us heal. What I would refrain from doing is sharing our work from that place. This is not the place where we share. This is where we let it come up and out. We put it all down, we write it, paint it, sing it, collage it, embroider it, whatever you choose to do, we put it down messy. And when we get to the other side of it, we edit, we refine, we shape it into the work of art that it was meant to be. And if it arrives at that place, then we share it with the world. So what Sue is referring to is this Glennon Doyle uh and I'm gonna get this quote wrong, but we write, we want to write from scars, not from wounds.

[23:05] Laura Camien: But I love that I was privy to the conversation you were having with Sue about that. And I was like, we might want to write or create from scars, but the wound stage is a great place to take good notes if you have the wherewithal.

[23:21] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, that's what I mean by give it a voice. Like let that, you know, from my, let's say, messy, messy, messy writing that's coming straight from an ugly emotion, perhaps. Maybe there's pages of it. One sentence may be all that is needed in a play, in a scene in a play, like where you got to the very heart of it. And you know how you're sometimes when you're watching a play, there's one sentence that catches everybody's breath because you just can't believe those words were said out loud. That's probably somewhere in the writings that comes straight from the voice of your emotion.

[24:08] Laura Camien: Yeah. And if you don't write from that, you don't get to that place. But again, those wouldn't, I would never, my God, somewhere in my will, by the way, you, my sister or Wes will be responsible for getting rid of like my morning pages and these pages of just like writing that is just like ew, yeah, no, that doesn't like represent all of me. It's just one emotion that's passing through me in that moment.

[24:37] Susan Blackwell: So yeah, I think there's good stuff in there, but it's more important, I think, to use it as a vehicle to let the emotion move through you and worry later about whether it's a work of art that was meant to be shared with the world. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Do you know what I mean?

[24:59] Laura Camien: Yeah. Because I notice that we also, as creatives and artists, like when we want to get to work, which a lot of us do right now, we'll put this pressure on us to quickly be able to get back to creating. And it better be something good and meaningful and important and helpful. I'm like, wow, we're in the midst of a lot of big feelings, and that's a lot of pressure to put on ourselves. When really, what if we just let these feelings move through us first?

[25:34] Susan Blackwell: So I want to circle back to what about the big, big feelings we're into now. These feelings are legit, and I do believe in going all the way there if you can. I think this practice allows the feelings to move through you. But all of this should be done with a deadline. I think that would be step six. Put a deadline on indulging the feelings. One week, two weeks at most. At that point, you have to say, all right now, I let you come and stay. I fed you, I cared for you, but you can't move in here. You can't stay forever.

[26:17] Laura Camien: Like the poem that we often share by Igioma Uma Binyo. You must let the pain visit. You must allow it to teach you. You must not allow it to overstay.

[26:32] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. This is the key. And listen, this is where we get to like heartbreak, loss, grief. Not all of that can be healed on a deadline. I don't think that's realistic. Those feelings will come to visit and they will come time and time again. Like we have whole podcasts on grief, and I do not believe grief is something that you feel and then can check it off like great, I grieved. I'm done.

[27:09] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[27:09] Susan Blackwell: Um, but if you imagine them as short visits from familiar friends who stay over for a night or two here or there, or maybe you just grab a coffee with them, they're gonna remain in your life. And at that point, it becomes about simply allowing the feelings when they visit and moving on.

[27:31] Now, with the moral distress that many of us are feeling and are likely to feel through the next administration, for example, it becomes about regulating our nervous system and using the tools we have to not allow every article we read or every social post we come across to activate the full force of our anger or our sadness or our dread.

[27:59] We know that the chaos leads to exhaustion and it leads to burnout. We're gonna lean into our meditation, our EFT tapping, going for walks, being in nature. So all of that has its own plan associated with it. But the cool thing is knowing that we can feel our emotions, we can do all of these things, even if we're mad about it.

[28:32] Laura Camien: Well, I think it's gonna be really useful for the next, oh, foreseeable future.

[28:39] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think I know, and I may, I don't want to make any promises, dear listeners, but I think I might do a spark about our nervous system, the vagus nerve, all that stuff because we will have to have a plan, but I do think for this, this works for me to just try to let it again just let these emotions visit, move through, and say goodbye.

[29:09] Laura Camien: Like, yeah, uh, it's not like I don't think I'll ever see you again, but how quickly can we get past this? You know, Laura, as you're sharing this, I'm thinking about the episode that we did recently. It was my spark about comfort, catharsis, yeah, and change.

[29:35] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, and how in that Rebecca Solnit quote, she talks about it's time to gather up, gather up your tools, get ready. And I think tools like this are one of the things that we need to be gathering right now, and really not just like, uh, not passively, but really practicing it because if we do, I think that it could have a very positive impact on our nervous systems and sustain us through this time in an actual, real, workable, usable way.

[30:21] Laura Camien: And if we don't, the alternative, I just feel like, you know, when somebody becomes a president and then their hair turns white over four years. I just feel like, um, all of our hair is going to turn white.

[30:37] Susan Blackwell: Well, we just need all of our tools, and we actually need to practice them.

[30:41] Laura Camien: We do.

[30:42] Susan Blackwell: And it starts with, and I'm in this practice now. As soon as I feel like something not right, I will ask myself, like, what can I do? Okay, I can tap. I could go for a walk. You know, like what tools do I have in my arsenal right now? What amount of time do I have? What's available to me in this moment?

[31:04] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[31:05] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. I appreciate this so much. And um, you're, I've watched you in practice. You're really good at this. I could take a page out of your book or take a shot of whatever you're having.

[31:21] Laura Camien: Uh, because I can't always remember it when I'm up in the, when I'm up in my feels.

[31:25] Susan Blackwell: I know, I know, but it is to me, I'm like, it makes me laugh so much sometimes because like I will see myself like in the midst of a montage, you know, a Bridget Jones' diary or something. And that is why I'm like, oh, we can skip to. I'm, you know, like I've, it has moved through. It's fine. It's had its time.

[31:46] Laura Camien: And um, but I feel conversely, if I don't make space for it, if I don't acknowledge it, and part of that is, you know, EFT tapping does that as well, which is like you want to go straight to the emotion and give it. Um, not try to ignore it, not try to say, um, I feel a little bit bad, but it's okay.

[31:46] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, just go.

[31:46] Laura Camien: You want to go all the way there. I feel, you know, all the way there. Really pissed. Go all the way there and give it a voice, listen to it, feed it, care for it, and then send it on its way.

[32:23] Susan Blackwell: Thank you for this.

[32:24] Laura Camien: Thank you for this spark, Laura Camien.

[32:26] Susan Blackwell: My pleasure.

[32:27] Laura Camien: All the way there.

[32:29] Susan Blackwell: Go all the way there, friends. Print it on a t-shirt.

[32:32] Laura Camien: There's our new merch.

[32:33] Susan Blackwell: Yay! I like that. Not a bad idea.

[32:36] Laura Camien: All right.

[32:37] Susan Blackwell: That's it. This episode of The Spark File was made on the lands of the Lenape and Mohican people.

[32:43] And as always, we hope it put another bunch of sparks in your file.

[32:47] Hey, listen, if there's a spark that you'd like us to explore, or if you'd like to learn more about how to coach with us to accomplish your creative goals, you can email get creative at thesparkfile.com, or you can always reach us through our website, thesparkfile.com.

[33:03] Hey, we'll even happily take your feedback.

[33:06] But you know the price of admission. First, you've got to share a creative risk that you have taken recently.

[33:12] You can follow us on social at the Sparkfile and be sure to subscribe, rate, and five-star review this podcast. It really helps other listeners to find us.

[33:22] Also, if you like this podcast, we hope you'll share it with people that you love. We always love to see that.

[33:27] If you didn't like it, go all the way there.

[33:27] Go all the way there with your feelings.

[33:32] Go all the way there. Give it a voice. Listen to it. But don't email us.

[33:32] Laura Camien: No.

[33:32] Susan Blackwell: Go all the way there in your own space.

[33:40] On the other hand, if something lights you up and gets your creative sparks flying, we're writing you a forever permission slip to make that thing that's been knocking at your door.

[33:50] It's your turn to take that spark and fan it into a flame.

[33:57] Laura Camien: You know, you gotta take it and make it.

[34:01] Susan Blackwell: When I bump into something that inspires me, I dump it in the spark fire.

[34:09] Laura Camien: Scarf could be something that I wanna take or how I wanna be.

[34:16] Susan Blackwell: I'll pump it in the spark fire.

[34:19] Laura Camien: Spar fire.

[34:20] Susan Blackwell: I jump into my spark file.

[34:24] Laura Camien: Sparfies.

[34:25] Susan Blackwell: Let's open up the spark fire.