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[0:00] Susan Blackwell: The SparkFile podcast may contain profanity and other adult content. Please use your discretion.

[0:09] Laura Camien: When I bump into something that inspires me, I jump in my spark file.

[0:18] Susan Blackwell: Spark file to be something that I wanna make or how I wanna be. I pump it in my spark spot.

[0:23] Laura Camien: Spark!

[0:26] Susan Blackwell: I jump into my spark slide. Let's open up the spark file.

[0:37] Laura Camien: Welcome to the Spark File, where we believe that everyone is creative, but smart creative people don't go it alone.

[0:44] Susan Blackwell: I'm Laura Camien.

[0:45] Susan Blackwell: And I'm Susan Blackwell, and we are creativity coaches who help people clarify and accomplish their creative goals.

[0:51] Laura Camien: Know that just by listening to this podcast, you are joining a warm and wonderful clan of creatives.

[0:58] Susan Blackwell: But you may be asking yourself, what exactly is a spark file?

[1:02] Laura Camien: A spark file is a place where you consistently collect all of your inspirations and fascinations.

[1:09] Susan Blackwell: Every episode, we're gonna reach into our personal spark files and exchange some sparks.

[1:14] Laura Camien: And from time to time, we're gonna talk to some folks who spark us too.

[1:18] Susan Blackwell: And your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to take some of those sparks of inspiration and make something of your own.

[1:25] Laura Camien: So without further ado, let's open up the Spark File.

[1:30] Susan Blackwell: Hi, Laura.

[1:31] Laura Camien: Hello, Susan.

[1:33] Susan Blackwell: Laura, I'm excited.

[1:35] Laura Camien: Are you?

[1:36] Susan Blackwell: Are you excited about this little gem I've got for you?

[1:39] Laura Camien: I'm excited for this spark.

[1:41] Susan Blackwell: Ah, yes, sparks. I become a Kennedy when I get excited about the sparks.

[1:47] Laura Camien: Susan, I want to start this spark with a public service announcement.

[1:53] Laura Camien: This PSA is on behalf of authors.

[1:58] Laura Camien: Writing a book is fucking hard work, friends.

[2:02] Laura Camien: It is a long process that takes determination and patience and stamina and the ability to tap into that well of inspiration over and over again.

[2:14] Laura Camien: It's true of fiction, nonfiction, romance, self-help. Writing any kind of book represents a huge achievement, which is why I say if you know someone, anyone who has started and completed a book, gotten it published independently or traditionally, and then did the work to sell copies of that book, one copy or a million copies.

[2:43] Laura Camien: Hug that author. Congratulate that author. Buy their fucking book. Recognize the commitment. Writing a book is like running a marathon, and it deserves to be celebrated.

[2:57] Susan Blackwell: I know an author.

[2:59] Laura Camien: Oh, you do?

[3:00] Susan Blackwell: Uh-huh. Look at you batting your eyelashes at me.

[3:03] Laura Camien: Listen, this spark is not about me, Suze.

[3:07] Susan Blackwell: But it is true. I know this firsthand.

[3:10] Laura Camien: You do know this firsthand.

[3:11] Susan Blackwell: And we have so many authors in the Spark File who are at various stages in this process.

[3:19] Laura Camien: Some have already published book or books, some are some deals. Some are publishing independently. Some are in the final edit. Like we have folks who are in all stages of the process.

[3:34] Susan Blackwell: To every single one of them, we salute you.

[3:36] Laura Camien: I was gonna name names.

[3:37] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, we salute you.

[3:38] Laura Camien: I was gonna name names, but actually I'm terrified of leaving someone out.

[3:42] Susan Blackwell: But there are so many, and we are so proud.

[3:42] Laura Camien: So proud.

[3:49] Susan Blackwell: So long form creativity is no joke.

[3:52] Laura Camien: It is seriously no joke.

[3:54] Susan Blackwell: And I have written a book and I am in the midst of writing a book right now. And it is real, and I commend every single person who takes this on.

[4:07] Laura Camien: And that is why I am especially sparked today by our dear friend Jenny Clift, who we have had as a guest on this very podcast.

[4:17] Susan Blackwell: Yes, we have. Jenny is a classically trained musician, violinist specifically.

[4:23] Laura Camien: She's also an EFT or emotional freedom technique coach, also known as tapping.

[4:31] Susan Blackwell: Jenny's based in Madrid, Spain. She's passionate about working with musicians and stage artists, performers, and creatives to help them achieve success, wealth, joy, confidence, and inner peace.

[4:43] Laura Camien: Obviously, we share this passion with Jenny. And from the moment we connected, we knew that we were a match.

[4:51] Susan Blackwell: We often have Jenny come in as a guest artist to share her expertise with the Spark File community as well.

[4:59] Laura Camien: All of this is to say, I am so excited to share that Jenny has written and is publishing her second book, this Jenny Clift.

[5:13] Susan Blackwell: Can be found on Amazon. The name of this book is Thriving Artist: How Musicians, Performers, and Creatives Can Use EFT Tapping Techniques to Achieve Balance, Career Growth, and Success.

[5:27] Laura Camien: Fantastic. I just want to say if you know Jenny Clift, hug her, celebrate her.

[5:33] Susan Blackwell: I mean, I don't know, actually ask her first, get consent. She may not want to be hugged, but celebrate her.

[5:38] Laura Camien: Get that restraining order dropped and then move in.

[5:43] Susan Blackwell: But celebrate her in every way possible because it's such an extraordinary feat, and it's easy to simply not realize the blood, sweat, and tears that have gone into getting something completed and published and then out in the world.

[6:06] Laura Camien: And when you do it independently, it is, you know, on you to do every little bit of the marketing and promoting, etc.

[6:16] Susan Blackwell: And yeah.

[6:29] Laura Camien: So good.

[6:30] Susan Blackwell: She is, I just feel like talk about, we did an episode recently about making positive change in the world. Talking about like putting your life's work being about making positive change in the world.

[6:44] Laura Camien: I have seen her.

[6:45] Susan Blackwell: Laura, you have worked so closely with her.

[6:48] Laura Camien: That is correct. And we've just been so lucky to be in rooms with her where she has led us through this remarkable work that she does.

[6:59] Susan Blackwell: Well, she does the work that, you know, has the ripple effect. So for every single creative that she works with and helps them to remove blocks and get their work done and out into the world, it is just multiplied, you know, her impact on the world.

[7:19] Laura Camien: And that EFT work extends past artists. I'm sure most people listening to this podcast are creatives, but if you have people in your life who you love who have experienced trauma, like, you know, yeah.

[7:32] Susan Blackwell: We're gonna get into it as we're gonna get into. Don't let me jump your spark into it.

[7:38] Laura Camien: Well, I mean, we're starting with this topic because this particular book, and this is Jenny's second book, but this one is about thriving artists, so musicians, performers, creatives.

[7:49] Susan Blackwell: Love that.

[7:50] Laura Camien: And she knows all about this topic because she grew up as a very talented violinist in the very strict world of classical music.

[8:01] Susan Blackwell: She got into a top-named college to continue her music studies, and instead of being her dream come true, she thinks of those college years as the beginning of the end for her dreams.

[8:15] Laura Camien: Vampire years.

[8:17] Susan Blackwell: Very suddenly, she was a small fish in a big pond. She felt like her previous confidence that she felt as the star pupil and the leader of her school orchestra was just shattered to bits during these years.

[8:34] Laura Camien: She said she struggled and just barely scraped by to get her performance diploma. Get this. She says when she informed her violin professor that she was quitting, he muttered about time too.

[8:50] Susan Blackwell: Oh.

[8:51] Laura Camien: Vampire.

[8:53] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. So she took off, literally. She fled the country. She spent a decade teaching English in Spain with her instrument hiding silently in a cupboard.

[9:06] Laura Camien: How many times have we heard a version of this story, Susan?

[9:11] Susan Blackwell: A cruel comment from a teacher or an instructor. Sometimes well-intentioned, sometimes not, or cruel comments from peers. And the project or the passion goes into a drawer or a cupboard and it isn't touched again.

[9:33] Laura Camien: So many.

[9:40] Susan Blackwell: Oh, Matt Vogel.

[9:41] Laura Camien: Matt Vogel.

[9:42] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[9:43] Laura Camien: Yes. Who, you know, who took first place in the school talent show, and the other kids were so mad at him for beating the heavy metal band that came in second, that negative energy coming his way in association with what should have felt like a really, you know, victorious day and a celebratory day caused him to put his puppets into a drawer and not talk to them, think about them for five, ten years.

[10:14] Susan Blackwell: And both of the people you mentioned, Sara Bareilles, Matt Vogel, who plays Kermit the Frog, Jenny Clift, like something that makes them great artists is that they are sensitive souls.

[10:26] Laura Camien: So that is just like a soul punch. It's a soul punch. When you get a comment like that, just it's not right. And we celebrate any time a person can make their way back, you know, find a way to heal that and move on from that and make their way back to their creativity. That's what we're all about, as you well know, Susan. So thankfully, Jenny did just that. She stumbled upon EFT tapping, and it transformed her relationship to her creativity. She says since the 1990s, there's been a rise in modalities that combine Western talk therapy with eastern energy techniques. And EFT tapping is one of those newer techniques. EFT involves stimulating acupressure points by tapping on them while discussing the corresponding emotions and challenges that we're facing.

So this reduces the stress hormone cortisol, it rewires the brain, it calms our fight or flight response, it allows the mind, body, nervous system to relax. And so much of what creatives do any creative risk we talk about all the time. If you're taking a risk, it is activating your fight or flight response. And it is simply our job to manage and regulate and understand that's what's going on in my body, but I'm perfectly safe. I'm going to proceed to this audition or this performance or this creative act. But EFT tapping gives artists an actual tool to use to help them regulate their nervous system. So it's phenomenal. Jenny also writes this, it always makes me giggle, but Jenny talks about how we all have our own personal belief system, which she calls BS.

And I love it because isn't that so true? The stories that we tell ourselves. And we have, Susan, we have told ourselves every story in the book, and our clients have told themselves every story in the book about why we haven't done it yet, or what we need to work on first, or what needs to fall into place, or just how the world is. So this BS or belief system, Jenny says, we all have one. We've worked out our stories, like and tell ourselves the right way to do things. And it's all based on how we were taught to understand the world, our given circumstances, and the people in our lives. So we all have it. We have our own unique set of stories, but telling ourselves to simply stop believing our thoughts, it doesn't work.

It can even backfire because when you just simply tell your brain to stop thinking that a part of your brain will like dig in our heels and think it even stronger. That's that whole phenomenon. What you resist persists.

[14:06] Susan Blackwell: Yeah. I think I've mentioned it before, but this is one of the reasons why I loved working with Jenny and why I think EFT works so well for me because the whole process makes room for those voices within you to be heard.

[14:24] Laura Camien: Yeah. Right. I did years and years of Pollyanna like attempting to like smack on top of whatever I'm feeling, put on a happy face, put on a happy demeanor, everything is fine. And that felt so inauthentic to me. Like, and it was very, very hard. And finally my life started to change when I realized oh, the goal is not to deny that these feelings exist. Give them a voice, let them be expressed and move through you. So with EFT tapping, you're not trying to deny a negative feeling or trying to feel something else. You're allowing the energy and the emotion to move through you, speaking it out loud, giving it a space, and just moving it right on out. So Laura, if this is jumping your spark, just let me know. But if it's not, can you give us an example of what that sounds like? What is it? What are you saying when you're tapping that acknowledges how you're feeling and then acknowledges the well uh what's the one alternative?

[15:29] Laura Camien: Yeah. So one of the very first things that you do in tapping is you start by tapping on like the side of your hand, and you will say a phrase that addresses however you're feeling in that moment, followed by I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself. So for example, you know, yesterday, Susan, I was feeling like I should sequester myself from the world. That no living being on this planet deserved the misery of being around me yesterday.

[16:07] Susan Blackwell: You were just having a tough day.

[16:07] Laura Camien: I was having a tough day. Remember, it started like right from the beginning of the day. I was attempting to text back to, we have a couple of different text threads and different topics. And I kept texting the wrong answer to the wrong thread. And I was just like, just put the phone down. Just not today. Just uh just stop what you're doing. Well, by the end of the day, was yesterday also the day when we received a notification that our central password had been like somebody was trying to log on to our central password in Indiana, and I was like, I must change the passwords immediately.

[16:41] Susan Blackwell: Yes.

[16:42] Laura Camien: And you were then bounced out of my workhouse space.

[16:46] Susan Blackwell: Yes, yes, yes, so sentence.

[16:49] Laura Camien: Yeah, we got you just like we got you going good and early. Well, by the end of the day, it was just like that's how the day is gonna go. By the end of the day, I looked up on the Zoom screen and the look on my own face, I was like, oh God, what is that expression? And no one, no one deserves it. So on a day like that, I might tap and did yesterday, but even though I'm irritable and difficult to be around, yes, I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself. And then you repeat that three times, and you can change it slightly so you can like get out the worst of it. Like, even though I'm absolutely uh absolutely like unable to be around humans, I'm just the worst. I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself. Um, and that's the kind of thing that you again, you're not trying to deny that some voice inside of you is saying, like, oh, why are you so terrible? It's not just serenity now.

[17:58] Susan Blackwell: It's not serenity now.

[18:00] Laura Camien: It's not serenity now. And you know, it what's so wonderful is to be able to say those words out loud and be like, yeah, so essentially what you're saying is like you're a full, well-rounded human being, and on some days, you know, you're irritable or some days you're grumpy, multidimensional, multidimensional and always still worth loving and respecting and honoring, and so that was revolutionary for me because um I just like I said, like I really grew up on positivity, which I I don't mad about that, but what I didn't have was that balance of like that doesn't mean you have to be ultra positive all the time because that's just not really true, right?

[18:53] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, it's inauthentic, it's inauthentic, yeah.

[18:57] Laura Camien: So EFT tapping is all about clearing the emotions, subconscious blocks, and limiting beliefs that stop us from improving and growing and learning and expanding, its uses are unlimited, like you were saying before, Susan. In this book, Thrive Artist, Jenny really focuses on the things that maybe keeping creatives from truly living the dream. Oh, that's another thing. She talks a lot in the first chapter about the irony of how, like when an artist tells other people that they're a creative, they play music, they make art, they write, or they perform for a living. People often jump to, wow, you're just living the dream, huh? Because we're all taught that if we're lucky enough to pursue our passions, we must be living the dream.

But Jenny goes on to address so many of the reasons why it might not feel so dreamy. The anxiety, the perfectionism, the performance nerves, the self-judgment, and on and on. If we don't have a handle on how to manage those things, it doesn't feel like a very dreamy existence. And then you pile on sort of that guilt of like, I have known people who've made a living performing, have been miserable at times and been like, but I shouldn't be miserable because look at me, I'm making a living as a performer.

[20:25] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[20:25] Laura Camien: And then the cycle goes on and on.

[20:28] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[20:29] Laura Camien: So in the third section of this book, Jenny includes many specific scripts. So I know I just gave you like really off the cuff little example, but in this gold. This is gold. So gold. And Jenny is so generous. I can't even know. I can't even express.

[20:57] Susan Blackwell: She has a YouTube channel.

[20:58] Laura Camien: It's all free.

[20:59] Susan Blackwell: They're for different situations.

[21:01] Laura Camien: Everything from the feeling of like waiting in the wings, like, when's it going to be my turn?

[21:07] Susan Blackwell: To I don't feel good enough, uh, bad performance feelings, time and money worries, rejection, facing a tough crowd, how to change your money thoughts, angry authority figures, and the rude things they say.

[21:24] Laura Camien: She includes links to YouTube videos throughout the whole book.

[21:30] Susan Blackwell: You can use these just uh so easily, like it in the next 30 seconds, you could be on to using a video to address whatever it is you're feeling.

[21:40] Laura Camien: And thank you so much for for that, Jenny. Amazing.

[21:43] Susan Blackwell: Yeah, amazing.

[21:45] Laura Camien: For all of these reasons, I think Jenny Clift, her book, her YouTube channel, her coaching, they're all such incredible resources for creatives of all kinds.

[21:58] Susan Blackwell: But then I got to thinking small shift in topic, but it's exactly what you pointed out at the beginning.

[22:05] Laura Camien: It isn't what Jenny covers in this book, perhaps a future book, but I got to thinking about how I plan to use EFT this year, and it has everything to do with not just my creativity, but how uncertain the world feels right now.

[22:22] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[22:23] Laura Camien: Because EFT tapping can bring down cortisol levels and calm the nervous system.

[22:29] Susan Blackwell: It is the best tool I know to arm myself with as we move into one of the most chaotic political times in our country's history.

[22:39] Laura Camien: And I'm not saying that just because I feel like things are uncertain. I'm saying it because, as we've talked about before, we know that chaos is the strategy being used.

[22:48] Susan Blackwell: It's intentional, and it is meant to keep our heads spinning and to keep our nervous systems on high alert and to keep us pointing fingers at each other.

[23:00] Laura Camien: You know, I'm opting out of that.

[23:02] Susan Blackwell: I can't do it.

[23:03] Laura Camien: My nervous system will not survive another four years of constant shock and drama and outrage.

[23:09] Susan Blackwell: And yet I don't believe that I can or should check out completely.

[23:15] Laura Camien: That wouldn't be responsible.

[23:16] Susan Blackwell: Of course.

[23:17] Laura Camien: So how to stay engaged in the world without riding a roller coaster of emotions every day.

[23:25] Susan Blackwell: The answer for me, in addition to making change and all of the good stuff you shared in last week's episode, Susan, the answer for me, when my nervous system starts to rise and I'm feeling shaky, the answer is EFT tapping.

[23:41] Laura Camien: Yeah.

[23:43] Susan Blackwell: Did you know? In fact, when Jenny listened to the moral distress signal episode of the podcast, where I described how I learned the term moral distress and why so many of us feel it right now.

[23:57] Laura Camien: It has to do with knowing what is right, what is the right thing to do, and feeling powerless to make it happen.

[24:05] Susan Blackwell: Well, Jenny heard that episode and developed a tapping script to help with it.

[24:10] Laura Camien: She shared it with all of her readers.

[24:13] Susan Blackwell: You can find it on YouTube where she has other free videos.

[24:17] Laura Camien: I know it's incredible.

[24:18] Susan Blackwell: It's incredible.

[24:20] Laura Camien: And Jenny is at Jenny Clift Coaching EFT on YouTube.

[24:25] Susan Blackwell: At Jenny Clift Coaching EFT on YouTube.

[24:30] Laura Camien: Please, if you have any interest in EFT tapping, go check it out.

[24:35] Susan Blackwell: She has tapping videos for anxiety, resistance, clearing money, fears, procrastination, goal setting, everything.

[24:43] Laura Camien: That's one of the most amazing things about watching her work and also being the beneficiary of her work, is so for instance, she'll come into one of our classes as a special guest teaching artist.

[24:58] Susan Blackwell: She will hear from people what is tripping them up, what is spinning them up.

[25:04] Laura Camien: And she'll just hear from people and the whole time.

[25:07] Susan Blackwell: She's just like hands moving, taking notes, and then she presents a customized tapping script.

[25:14] Laura Camien: Synthesis of all of it.

[25:17] Susan Blackwell: She's an amazing person.

[25:19] Laura Camien: And I'm just knocked out that she heard the moral distress episode and responded to it.

[25:26] Susan Blackwell: Talk about making change using your superpowers.

[25:30] Laura Camien: She's really, she's very special.

[25:33] Susan Blackwell: She's very special.

[25:34] Laura Camien: And she really is.

[25:35] Susan Blackwell: You know, this, it's funny because hearing us talk about this, maybe if I was an outsider hearing this, I might think that this is sort of in the woo zone.

[25:45] Laura Camien: It's actually very not woo.

[25:48] Susan Blackwell: It's very not woo.

[25:49] Laura Camien: It's like it's very to me, very practical and very not mysterious.

[25:58] Susan Blackwell: It's really effective.

[26:00] Laura Camien: When you experience it, you know, it's almost like you can't deny like energy is moving through you.

[26:09] Susan Blackwell: You can say that's woo, but we are energetic beings, thoughts are energy, all of it.

[26:15] Laura Camien: We can, if we're tapped in at all to how our bodies feel, we understand that.

[26:20] Susan Blackwell: And when you have a session of EFT tapping, you feel one way when you start, you feel another way when you finish.

[26:27] Laura Camien: And that's just the energy moving through you.

[26:30] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[26:30] Laura Camien: She's really special.

[26:32] Susan Blackwell: She's really, really special.

[26:33] Laura Camien: Here is a fun fact in full transparency.

[26:37] Susan Blackwell: I actually wrote a review for Jenny, and it's in the book.

[26:41] Laura Camien: So did Hunter Bell, so did Lisa Marie Newton.

[26:45] Susan Blackwell: Sparkfilers galore.

[26:47] Laura Camien: There have been so many friends in the Sparkfile world who have used EFT tapping to address and release old narratives, BS stories, uh remove blocks and clear the path to balance and career growth and success.

[27:05] Susan Blackwell: And simply more peace.

[27:09] Laura Camien: Just inner peace.

[27:11] Susan Blackwell: Yeah.

[27:11] Laura Camien: That's great.

[27:12] Susan Blackwell: When you combine EFT tapping and other like inner work or therapy, things that you're doing alongside the outer real world action.

[27:23] Laura Camien: Like it doesn't take the place of practicing your audition material.

[27:27] Susan Blackwell: It doesn't take the place of like doing the work.

[27:30] Laura Camien: But it helps you manage those feelings associated with some of the risk taking.

[27:35] Susan Blackwell: And when you combine doing the work with EFT tapping, you can really embrace the creative risk taking and learn to enjoy living the dream.

[27:46] Laura Camien: Because what is the point of living the dream if we are not enjoying it?

[27:51] Susan Blackwell: Am I right, Suze?

[27:53] Laura Camien: Am I right, ladies?

[27:55] Susan Blackwell: It's true.

[27:56] Laura Camien: It's true.

[27:58] Susan Blackwell: I love this so much, Laura, because I really I adore Jenny.

[28:04] Laura Camien: I really believe in her work.

[28:06] Susan Blackwell: And I love that you have fashioned it into a spark.

[28:10] Laura Camien: I love it.

[28:11] Susan Blackwell: Well, I'm very sparked by it.

[28:13] Laura Camien: And this leads me back to all of our authors out there.

[28:17] Susan Blackwell: Yes, Jenny is on fire.

[28:19] Laura Camien: She's already on to her next book, which will be a companion to this one.

[28:23] Susan Blackwell: Oh my God, Jenny.

[28:25] Laura Camien: Yes, if you're an author out there working on a book, fiction, nonfiction, children's book, self-help, YA, romance, erotica, politics, history, whatever you're writing about.

[28:41] Susan Blackwell: We see you.

[28:44] Laura Camien: Keep going.

[28:45] Susan Blackwell: Keep going.

[28:46] Laura Camien: Keep going.

[28:47] Susan Blackwell: You can do it.

[28:49] Laura Camien: We have seen it done over and over and over again.

[28:53] Susan Blackwell: It is possible.

[28:54] Laura Camien: And we commend you for taking on, taking on the project.

[28:59] Susan Blackwell: We know what an enormous undertaking writing a book is, and we are celebrating you.

[29:04] Laura Camien: That's it.

[29:05] Susan Blackwell: That's my spark.

[29:07] Laura Camien: I love it.

[29:08] Susan Blackwell: I'll take it.

[29:09] Friends, this episode of The Spark File was made on the lands of the Lenape and the Mohican people.

[29:14] Laura Camien: And as always, we hope it put another bunch of sparks in your file.

[29:18] Susan Blackwell: Listen, if there's a spark that you'd like us to explore, or if you'd like to learn more about how to coach with us to accomplish your creative goals, email get creative at thesparkfile.com or reach us through our website, thesparkfile.com.

[29:33] Laura Camien: And you know what? If you have feedback for us, we'll happily take it.

[29:38] Susan Blackwell: But you know the price of admission.

[29:40] Laura Camien: First, you have to share a creative risk that you have taken recently.

[29:45] Susan Blackwell: You can follow us on social at the Sparkfile and be sure to subscribe, rate, and five-star review this podcast.

[29:52] Laura Camien: It really does help other listeners to find us.

[29:54] Susan Blackwell: Also, if you like this podcast, we hope that you'll share it freely with people that you love.

[29:58] Laura Camien: And if you didn't like it, go to a better lifetapping.com.

[30:04] Susan Blackwell: Visit Jenny Clift's website and tap on your feelings about the Sparkfile podcast.

[30:10] Laura Camien: So good.

[30:11] Susan Blackwell: If something lights you up, gets your creative sparks flying.

[30:15] Laura Camien: We're writing you a forever permission slip to make that thing that's been knocking at your door.

[30:21] Susan Blackwell: It's your turn to take that spark and fan it into a flame.

[30:27] Laura Camien: You know, you gotta take it and make it.

[30:32] Susan Blackwell: Even though sometimes we are ding dongs, we love, honor, and accept ourselves completely.

[30:39] Laura Camien: Yes, we do.

[30:40] Susan Blackwell: Yes, we do.

[30:41] Laura Camien: Well done, Susan.

[30:43] Susan Blackwell: When I bumped into something that inspires me, I dump it in the spark files.

[30:52] Laura Camien: Could be something that I want to make or how I want to be.

[30:57] Susan Blackwell: I'll pump it in the spark files.

[31:02] Laura Camien: I jump into my spark files.

[31:05] Susan Blackwell: Sparkfile.

[31:07] Laura Camien: Let's open up the sparkfiles.