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[0:08] Kelly Plank: Hello and welcome to Whispers in the Wings, a theatre podcast with your hosts, Kelly Plank and Joshua Broadbent.

[0:24] Joshua Broadbent: Hey Josh.

[0:25] Kelly Plank: Hello, Kelly Plank.

[0:26] Joshua Broadbent: How are you?

[0:27] Kelly Plank: I am doing really well.

[0:29] Joshua Broadbent: Awesome.

[0:30] Kelly Plank: How are you?

[0:30] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, I'm doing great.

[0:32] Kelly Plank: Great. What are we gonna do today?

[0:34] Joshua Broadbent: Well, Josh, we are gonna do a little toolbox talk.

[0:38] Kelly Plank: So if you missed our first one, which was on spiking, it's just a little mini episode where we go through some little things that people may not be aware of regarding stage management.

[0:52] Joshua Broadbent: And today we are going through what's in our stage management toolkit or our SM kit.

[0:59] Kelly Plank: Yes. There's so many things that you can put into one and depending on what shows you're working on, you may be given a kit already that you sort of have to, you know, adapt and mould and make your own because of my favorite shows.

[1:12] Joshua Broadbent: It is, but I often find when you get into rehearsal, you're like, where's the scissors? And you're like opening every drawer to find a pair of scissors because you haven't used that kit before because every kit is so different.

[1:21] Kelly Plank: Yeah, absolutely. What do you store your kit in?

[1:25] Joshua Broadbent: So I have a kit that I only actually started thinking about this morning when we were planning to do this episode today.

[1:32] Kelly Plank: Uh-huh.

[1:32] Joshua Broadbent: That I've had since I was at uni.

[1:34] Kelly Plank: Oh, really?

[1:35] Joshua Broadbent: It's a blue sort of tub.

[1:37] Kelly Plank: Yep.

[1:37] Joshua Broadbent: Um, a bit bigger than sort of a size of a normal laptop.

[1:40] Kelly Plank: Okay.

[1:41] Joshua Broadbent: Um, and it's got a tray on the top. So it's got a lid that clips down, so it's you know, it's all secure if it moves around, nothing's gonna fall out.

[1:47] Kelly Plank: So plastic tub?

[1:48] Joshua Broadbent: Plastic tub, and then the tray on the top has little sections, you know, little sections where you could put your pens or your erasers or a USB and all that sort of stuff. I was going to get it down this morning to be like, what is in this? Because I haven't looked at it since maybe the year after I graduated, which was like 2016.

[2:05] Kelly Plank: Because I haven't needed it since then.

[2:06] Joshua Broadbent: Yep. And what do you use?

[2:09] Kelly Plank: I also have not used my SM kit for quite a while. Originally it was kind of a tool chest.

[2:17] Joshua Broadbent: So a rectangle just black and yellow tool chest.

[2:22] Kelly Plank: You unlock the top there's a pull out tray and then you've just got a really big kind of space underneath.

[2:30] Joshua Broadbent: And I found that you know I could fit my drills. I could fit like other things that we'll go into but it was quite large and then I downsized to a smaller tool chest which was upright and both on wheels.

[2:33] Kelly Plank: And then I downsized yet again to a tiny little carry tub that you just get from like Lingraft or something and it's plastic. You open it you pull it open and it's kind of like a set of stairs.

[3:04] Joshua Broadbent: Yes. What we'll do is we'll throw some photos onto our Instagram to help you visualize what these sort of boxes look like.

[3:10] Kelly Plank: Absolutely photos of our own kits but they'll be photos of you know the sort of things you could use.

[3:15] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah look mine's in storage. Did you take yours to London with you?

[3:19] Kelly Plank: I did.

[3:20] Joshua Broadbent: And you brought it back?

[3:21] Kelly Plank: I did.

[3:21] Joshua Broadbent: And did you use it over there?

[3:23] Kelly Plank: I did.

[3:24] Joshua Broadbent: Okay. I just would be like imagine traveling that across the world and then just constantly just moving around and you're looking at it every day, being like, why did I pack this?

[3:33] Kelly Plank: Look, it never went on tour with me.

[3:36] Joshua Broadbent: Okay.

[3:36] Kelly Plank: Uh, because we had everything that we needed.

[3:39] Joshua Broadbent: When I moved to London, I took my original tool chest which I purchased for my very first job, which was in Sydney.

[3:49] Kelly Plank: And I used it for my first two shows.

[3:52] Joshua Broadbent: And then after that, everything was provided.

[3:55] Kelly Plank: Yeah. So with your small blue tub, what do you have in it? What are your essential go to items that you want in a rehearsal room?

[4:04] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, I always make sure I have the mini pencils, like the ones that you would find at like the RSL for like keyno and stuff.

[4:10] Kelly Plank: Like IKEA pencils.

[4:11] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, like the IKEA pencils. I mean, people probably resonate more with IKEA pencils than Pino pencils.

[4:16] Kelly Plank: Um but yes, I always make sure I have them because I like to give them to actors.

[4:22] Joshua Broadbent: Rather than giving them a full, you know, 2B, 3B, whatever long pencil that they're most likely going to lose.

[4:28] Kelly Plank: Mm-hmm. The little ones you can buy cheaply. I mean, if you're going to IKEA, you could acquire some.

[4:34] Joshua Broadbent: Acquiring IKEA pencils, Josh.

[4:37] Kelly Plank: Uh but yeah, so that's sort of one thing I make sure I have. I always make sure that's stocked up.

[4:42] Joshua Broadbent: Yep. Because quite often it's, you know, that is what gets used really quickly, are the pencils.

[4:48] Kelly Plank: A little side note on this, come from a way when we're in rehearsals, what we do is actually give the performance one of the little palm size notebooks.

[4:57] Joshua Broadbent: We attach a string to it and put a pencil on the end so they can quickly write their like cheat notes.

[5:01] Kelly Plank: So instead of having to break letting them go to write things in their actual script, it's just easier for them to quickly write their cheat notes and then they can copy it in later.

[5:09] Joshua Broadbent: Do you know what? I want to adopt this for so many other things.

[5:14] Kelly Plank: I'm just gonna say, and I don't know, maybe it's because I come from a different kettle of fish. To me, that seems like you're really holding their hand and babying the actors.

[5:26] Joshua Broadbent: I mean, it could be, yes, I can see it in that sense the way I sort of look at it is I go it saves us time it saves the rehearsal time so if you're really short on a rehearsal period yeah and you don't have times for the actors to go and sit down write the notes you know they can do it whenever they're having a moment sitting on the side of the stage not rehearsing so I don't think I've done rehearsals where like we have stopped doing something to let an actor go write things down.

[5:49] Kelly Plank: Yeah it's usually sort of like at the end of the day you know for them to write those things down is my experience you know go write these notes down but it's then they've got to spend that time remembering what they did throughout a you know a six hour day so they know put in their pocket write a quick note of this you know I stand here or I do this or whatever and then they can copy it later.

[6:05] Joshua Broadbent: That's cool. Let's move away from that side that little side note. I just thought of it and I got really excited clearly uh not all of us think the same and that is the whole concept of this podcast it is different opinions yes and there's ways of doing it so pencils um erasers I always make sure I have a USB in there as well.

[6:26] Kelly Plank: You know what I always make sure I have multiple USB.

[6:26] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah the thing is I don't typically use USBs anymore because I'm I mean who does well we work so much on the cloud but that moment where you know you're in a rehearsal room and you need something printed but you don't have a printer so someone has to go to office works like it's just so easy to put them on multiples is a good idea.

[6:45] Kelly Plank: Honestly the amount of times I have had to give lighting a USB to save the show for yeah but that's that's neither here nor there.

[6:58] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah I just pick up cheap USBs and normally I get them back.

[7:01] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[7:02] Joshua Broadbent: But um, I do like to have like quite large storage on them.

[7:05] Kelly Plank: Yes, yes, because those files can be big.

[7:08] Joshua Broadbent: Or you might need to save like a sound. There's a lot of sound files on there for whatever reason. So if you want good storage.

[7:14] Kelly Plank: Or a Q lab or a QLab file file.

[7:17] Joshua Broadbent: Something along the lines of that, which I didn't think I needed, but the amount of times that I've had to use a disk drive, but because disk drives aren't in laptops anymore, it's an external drive.

[7:34] Kelly Plank: So I tour one of those with me. That's in my kit because sometimes you'll do an archival recording and it'll be recorded onto a CD or DVD instead of other form.

[7:48] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. Just gonna put it out there. Sticky notes, sticky notes, sticky notes.

[7:57] Kelly Plank: All the sizes.

[7:58] Joshua Broadbent: The small ones are great to mark your script if you need to quickly go back to something later.

[8:02] Kelly Plank: The bigger ones are good. Have you used the clear sticky notes?

[8:06] Joshua Broadbent: Oh Josh, have I?

[8:07] Kelly Plank: I haven't. I haven't had a chance to get my hands on them because I haven't needed them yet.

[8:11] Joshua Broadbent: But I want to add them to that toolkit as soon as I can.

[8:14] Kelly Plank: One of my favorite things, I think you can get them in Australia off Amazon.

[8:19] Joshua Broadbent: But uh you can get like a two to four thousand pack of Lear plastic sticky notes in different colours and shapes, and some of them are arrows, some of so I love when I'm marking up like a prompt book and I know that cues are gonna move, or I'm in the rehearsal room and the director's like, okay, fly this in here.

[8:40] Kelly Plank: I go, oh cool, pink's my fly cue. I'm gonna pop that in the book.

[8:45] Joshua Broadbent: And then it's like, oh, oops, we've got some lighting cues, blue, sound cues, red, or whatever, and I think you get six or seven different colours.

[8:56] Kelly Plank: You have blown my mind.

[8:58] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, I think it's like thirty dollars or something for all of those sticky notes.

[9:02] Kelly Plank: Gonna quickly go to Amazon now and have a look.

[9:04] Joshua Broadbent: And get some ordered right away. But one other thing that I love, which I learnt when I worked on an opera, you know those little circular stickers?

[9:15] Kelly Plank: Like tiny dots of stickers.

[9:17] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[9:18] Kelly Plank: Yeah, that and a like fine-line Sharpie.

[9:22] Joshua Broadbent: Again, color code, just pop your number on it and you just put it where you are in the sheet music.

[9:27] Kelly Plank: Ah, that's a great idea.

[9:30] Joshua Broadbent: Again, they come off easily, but not too easily.

[9:32] Kelly Plank: Yes, yes. So you mentioned before you carry a drill. Do you still carry a drill in your toolkit?

[9:37] Joshua Broadbent: No.

[9:40] Kelly Plank: No.

[9:41] Joshua Broadbent: Not at all.

[9:42] Kelly Plank: No. I literally now when I go on to a job, I will take a torch, take my trusty Leatherman wave.

[9:56] Joshua Broadbent: Uh which is engraved with the incorrect initials.

[10:00] Kelly Plank: Uh, before I adopted a stage name.

[10:04] Joshua Broadbent: Yes. I wanted to go into that in the first episode. I don't think we did.

[10:08] Kelly Plank: Um, and we will go into that at some point because I want to know more about that.

[10:12] Joshua Broadbent: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh yeah, just ask my leatherman.

[10:15] Kelly Plank: Um, it'll reveal all. And then, you know, I'll take a notebook, pencil case.

[10:22] Joshua Broadbent: I kinda think that's it. I guess it's because right now in what we're doing for work and the shows we're working on, we don't need to take that full kit, that full case.

[10:32] Kelly Plank: I mean, it's basically provided for you.

[10:34] Joshua Broadbent: When I went on to Phantom, everything was there.

[10:37] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[10:37] Kelly Plank: And if we didn't have it, you went and bought it.

[10:39] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, you went and bought it with the company's money.

[10:41] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[10:42] Joshua Broadbent: The only time I've used an SM kit really is, as I said, when I was studying in rehearsal rooms. It's great to just have everything with you.

[10:50] Kelly Plank: And when I graduated, I did a couple smaller shows with ATYP, the Australian Theatre for Young People.

[10:55] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[10:55] Kelly Plank: And it was really great to take that with me.

[11:12] Joshua Broadbent: What other items would be in your SM kit that you wouldn't expect?

[11:16] Kelly Plank: Obviously pens, pencils, all of those sort of things, you know, you should have in there.

[11:21] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[11:21] Kelly Plank: What is something that's like unique, either unique to you or, you know, unique to your kit that you like to carry around?

[11:28] Kelly Plank: Sanitary items.

[11:30] Joshua Broadbent: The amount of times that I've had, you know, cast or crew or whatever just come up and ask for a tampon or a pad or whatever.

[11:38] Kelly Plank: And it's just useful.

[11:39] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, of course. Also great for a bloody nose.

[11:42] Kelly Plank: Well, there's also that. Do you carry like a little first aid kit within there as well, like band-aids and stuff?

[11:48] Joshua Broadbent: Nope.

[11:49] Kelly Plank: So the way that we went about things in the UK is stage management don't touch first aid.

[11:57] Joshua Broadbent: You don't need a first aid certificate.

[11:59] Kelly Plank: It is the venue's responsibility.

[12:02] Joshua Broadbent: So that is the rehearsal venue or the performance venue because they need to have that on their books.

[12:10] Kelly Plank: You may fill out an incident report or whatnot, but during a show, you're too busy watching out for the safety of the show.

[12:19] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[12:20] Kelly Plank: That whoever is in from the venue is called over the Tannoy to come and deliver first aid.

[12:28] Joshua Broadbent: Which is so different here because stage management have the first aid kits.

[12:31] Kelly Plank: They're the ones that organise them, they restock them.

[12:34] Joshua Broadbent: They are the ones that sort of, you know, help people when there's time in need.

[12:39] Kelly Plank: We do have at every venue a either a safety, you know, fire warden or some theatres, especially the ones I think in Melbourne, bring in a St. John's first aid.

[12:49] Joshua Broadbent: Oh, that's cool.

[12:50] Kelly Plank: That they just stand at the back of every show.

[12:52] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, they just watch the show in case an audience member needs it or in case we need a back of the house.

[12:56] Kelly Plank: I think like the reason why in the UK we really like, you know, there'll be ice packs and heat packs, but that's mainly for everyday like dancers just needing them and they have access to them, they can grab them.

[13:13] Joshua Broadbent: But it's more so your responsibility is overseeing everything and keeping your eyes on the stage and your plot that you just, you don't have time to step away from that to be that first aider.

[13:27] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[13:31] Joshua Broadbent: One thing I do know I have is band-aids.

[13:33] Kelly Plank: Cool.

[13:33] Joshua Broadbent: Mostly for myself.

[13:36] Kelly Plank: Look.

[13:37] Joshua Broadbent: Mostly for myself. I should probably carry band-aids after last night.

[13:41] Kelly Plank: I fell off a chair.

[13:42] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, look, I wanted to bring that up, but I didn't know if you were gonna talk about it.

[13:47] Kelly Plank: Yeah, yeah.

[13:48] Joshua Broadbent: No, I had to fill out an incident report saying I fell off a chair whilst getting up off of that chair.

[13:56] Kelly Plank: And I got to be a witness of you falling off a chair, and I'm glad you're okay.

[14:01] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you.

[14:02] Kelly Plank: But my god, I wish I had, it's one of those days I wish I had a camera like on me all the time to just be like, you know what?

[14:11] Joshua Broadbent: I, yeah.

[14:13] Kelly Plank: I've got no words.

[14:14] Joshua Broadbent: Moving on. What else?

[14:17] Kelly Plank: I said this to you the other day and you were like, ugh, you're one of those.

[14:20] Joshua Broadbent: Did I?

[14:21] Kelly Plank: You did.

[14:22] Joshua Broadbent: I do not remember.

[14:23] Kelly Plank: No, you did.

[14:24] Joshua Broadbent: I have a happy birthday banner.

[14:26] Kelly Plank: Ugh.

[14:26] Joshua Broadbent: You're one of those.

[14:28] Kelly Plank: Told you.

[14:28] Joshua Broadbent: I told you.

[14:29] Kelly Plank: I do. I have a happy birthday banner.

[14:31] Joshua Broadbent: I think it's something that was sort of instilled in me during NIDA, like, you know, to celebrate people's birthdays and stuff.

[14:37] Kelly Plank: So rather than doing like a badge or whatever, I'll usually just throw up a happy birthday banner above their, like, desk station or whatever, just to be like, surprise, happy birthday.

[14:46] Joshua Broadbent: Just to make people feel nice.

[14:48] Kelly Plank: Cute.

[14:52] Joshua Broadbent: Um, let's never work together on my birthday.

[14:56] Kelly Plank: You do realize when your birthday comes, you will be showered with birthday love.

[15:01] Joshua Broadbent: I will make sure to not be in the country.

[15:05] Kelly Plank: Yeah, no, see, with birthdays, we, the company always buys a massive cake.

[15:12] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[15:13] Kelly Plank: That's how you celebrate a birthday.

[15:15] Joshua Broadbent: I think it's because on the shows that I've done where I've needed this toolkit specifically, it's like that sort of thing doesn't happen.

[15:21] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[15:22] Joshua Broadbent: So it's just like, just to make people feel a little bit nice and special.

[15:25] Kelly Plank: That's cute.

[15:26] Joshua Broadbent: I mean, it's probably moldy and falling apart. I haven't looked at this kit in so long.

[15:31] Kelly Plank: Yeah, fair enough.

[15:32] Joshua Broadbent: One thing that I do carry around with me, just because it's busted on my Leatherman.

[15:39] Kelly Plank: Teeny tiny screwdrivers.

[15:42] Joshua Broadbent: Yes. Because I mean, as somebody who wears glasses.

[15:46] Kelly Plank: Oh god.

[15:47] Joshua Broadbent: I'm constantly having to tighten the screws.

[15:49] Kelly Plank: Yes, yes.

[15:50] Joshua Broadbent: Um, but they do come in handy for lots of other things.

[15:53] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[15:54] Joshua Broadbent: I do enjoy a scale ruler.

[15:56] Kelly Plank: I have a scalable ruler in the kit, I believe, or somewhere in my house.

[16:02] Joshua Broadbent: But I can't remember the last time I would have used it.

[16:05] Kelly Plank: Type.

[16:06] Joshua Broadbent: Tape.

[16:06] Kelly Plank: And not like sticky tape, but uh measure like a full-on long measure.

[16:12] Joshua Broadbent: But like a, oh, like a cloth tape.

[16:15] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[16:16] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[16:16] Kelly Plank: Thank you, a cloth tape.

[16:17] Joshua Broadbent: Because markup.

[16:19] Kelly Plank: Yes.

[16:19] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[16:20] Kelly Plank: But then again, companies have also supplied me with cloth tapes.

[16:25] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[16:25] Kelly Plank: One thing that I do have in my kit is one of those like seamstress cloth tapes.

[16:29] Joshua Broadbent: Like, you know, this, you know, however long they are, the yellow, the numbers on it.

[16:33] Kelly Plank: Which you sort of go, when will you ever use that?

[16:36] Joshua Broadbent: The amount of times that I've actually been in rehearsals, especially when I was working on Oedipus, um, doesn't live here anymore.

[16:43] Kelly Plank: I think that was the show.

[16:43] Joshua Broadbent: Um, for the ATYP, I would get emails or messages from the costume designer being like, hey, can you grab this measurement?

[16:43] Kelly Plank: Hey, can you grab that measurement?

[16:50] Joshua Broadbent: Like of cast, you know, like chest length of arms and stuff.

[16:54] Kelly Plank: I don't know why all of that detail wasn't necessarily captured already.

[16:59] Joshua Broadbent: Um, but it's just helpful to have in case, you know, even if you need to measure something up that's longer than a ruler, but you don't want to get your full, you know, cloth tape out, it's sort of that extra little bit of a length.

[17:09] Kelly Plank: What's wrong with my full cloth tape, huh?

[17:11] Joshua Broadbent: Well, you said yourself companies often provide you one.

[17:15] Kelly Plank: No, so one thing, yes, they do provide me one.

[17:19] Joshua Broadbent: And what we do with those is because at the end of every rehearsal day we measure our spike marks.

[17:28] Kelly Plank: Those cloth tapes, one, two or three stay taped to the ground.

[17:34] Joshua Broadbent: And so they're easily accessible.

[17:36] Kelly Plank: So that you don't have to reposition them every day.

[17:39] Joshua Broadbent: You just leave them there in their own little marked out box so people don't trip on them.

[17:44] Kelly Plank: Yeah, and then end of the day, you just whip them out and you capture your measurements for your spike marks.

[17:50] Joshua Broadbent: Yep.

[17:51] Kelly Plank: And that way you're not stuck at the end of rehearsals having to measure 150 different bloody spike marks.

[18:00] Joshua Broadbent: Which I'm sure you've been stuck doing that before, because I have, and it's not fun.

[18:08] Kelly Plank: So SM kit.

[18:10] Joshua Broadbent: If your company is not providing you one, you want some pens, you want some pencils, erasers, you know, probably want sticky tape.

[18:19] Kelly Plank: I love a bit of magic tape because it comes off paper easily.

[18:22] Joshua Broadbent: It's kind of that matte tape.

[18:25] Kelly Plank: You probably want a couple of rolls of LX just in case.

[18:28] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[18:29] Kelly Plank: A ruler, and you know, if that ruler can be a scale ruler, yes.

[18:35] Joshua Broadbent: Makes markup a lot easier if you're doing it off a plan.

[18:38] Kelly Plank: Um, little notebooks, you know, a couple of extra notebooks are always handy to have in there in case someone's like, oh, I need to write something down.

[18:44] Joshua Broadbent: Where's my, where's another book?

[18:45] Kelly Plank: You'd be like, here, here's a spare one, just borrowed.

[18:47] Joshua Broadbent: Sanitary items, mints.

[18:50] Kelly Plank: Oh, mints.

[18:51] Joshua Broadbent: I love a mint.

[18:52] Kelly Plank: Yes, USBs, USBs, and that will get you started at least.

[18:56] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, yeah.

[18:57] Kelly Plank: If you get to the point during the house where you're like, oh, I need this, or I need that, then go, you go and get them and add them to your kit.

[19:03] Joshua Broadbent: And I'd say, you know, pick yourself up a trusty multi-tool, doesn't have to be expensive, doesn't have to be a Leatherman or a Gerber, however you like to say it.

[19:13] Kelly Plank: Just pick up a cheap one from Kmart or whatever.

[19:16] Joshua Broadbent: Just need to have some snips.

[19:18] Kelly Plank: And learn Kelly's lesson.

[19:20] Joshua Broadbent: You don't need to have a giant case.

[19:22] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[19:23] Joshua Broadbent: You can start a little bit smaller than what you may think.

[19:27] Kelly Plank: Nowadays, I just travel with me one of those really useful boxes.

[19:32] Joshua Broadbent: And it is just a long rectangle that fits a ruler.

[19:37] Kelly Plank: Podcasts, you can't see visuals.

[19:41] Joshua Broadbent: So it's longer than a 30 centimeter.

[19:43] Kelly Plank: I think it's about 50 centimeters long.

[19:46] Joshua Broadbent: And you know, maybe what's that?

[19:49] Kelly Plank: 20 centimeters?

[19:50] Joshua Broadbent: Yep.

[19:51] Kelly Plank: Cool.

[19:51] Joshua Broadbent: 20 centimeters wide and probably 20 in depth.

[19:55] Kelly Plank: Okay.

[19:55] Joshua Broadbent: And it carries all I need.

[19:57] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[19:58] Joshua Broadbent: And then just a multi-tool.

[20:00] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[20:01] Joshua Broadbent: And I'm good to go.

[20:01] Kelly Plank: And I'm not sure. Where can you find us, Josh?

[20:04] Joshua Broadbent: You can find us in many places. You can find us on Instagram at Whispers in the Wings, where we will throw up some photos of these toolboxes that we have talked about today, so you have a bit of an idea if you are looking for one yourself.

[20:16] Kelly Plank: You can also find us at Whispers in the Wings Podcast at gmail.com.

[20:21] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[20:21] Kelly Plank: And of course, if you do want to ask questions for our main episodes, you can head to the link in the show notes to anchor.fm where you can leave us an audio message, or you can email us, or you can send it to us on Instagram, or you can send it to us privately, or you can ask us in person.

[20:34] Joshua Broadbent: Really just ask your questions.

[20:36] Kelly Plank: We love it.

[20:36] Joshua Broadbent: Just contact us.

[20:38] Kelly Plank: We're desperate.

[20:40] Joshua Broadbent: Well, thank you very much, everyone, for listening. And thank you, Kelly, for sharing an insight into what's in your SM kit.

[20:46] Kelly Plank: No worries.

[20:47] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you, Josh, for barely remembering what's in yours.

[20:51] Kelly Plank: Look, I might get it out after this and we can go through it.

[20:53] Joshua Broadbent: And then have to re-record the episode.

[20:56] Kelly Plank: Alright.

[20:57] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you and good night.

[20:59] Kelly Plank: Good night.