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[0:00] Tonya Pinkins: Hi, my name is Tonya Pinkins, and I'm the host of the podcast You Can't SAY THAT on the Broadway Podcast Network.

[0:07] Tonya Pinkins: This fall, I have a special treat for you.

[0:11] Tonya Pinkins: In honor of my debut feature film RED PILL, Marissa Lynn Daniels Studios has been hosting weekly conversations with my fellow Broadway colleagues and co-host Sierra Renee about the red pilling of America.

[0:27] Tonya Pinkins: These conversations create a safe space for us to talk about the things that are on our mind with an election and a global pandemic.

[0:37] Tonya Pinkins: So join us for The Red Pilling of America, a spotlight series every Saturday at 5 p.m.

[0:45] Tonya Pinkins: Or on the Broadway Podcast Network, You Can't SAY THAT, VPN.fm forward slash YCST.

[0:54] Tonya Pinkins: Join the conversation.

[0:57] Tonya Pinkins: We gotta speak to live.

[1:01] Tonya Pinkins: We gotta say what's news for you.

[1:14] Tonya Pinkins: It's our first time meeting.

[1:16] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yes, it is.

[1:18] Tonya Pinkins: You like me, you like to change your hair.

[1:19] Susan Eichhorn Young: Like you.

[1:20] Tonya Pinkins: Oh, yes, I do.

[1:24] Tonya Pinkins: I have this week.

[1:25] Tonya Pinkins: And I saw that you are a coach to friends and colleagues of mine and to one of the stars of RED PILL, Adeshala Osakalumi.

[1:35] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yes, I am.

[1:36] Susan Eichhorn Young: It's such an honor.

[1:37] Susan Eichhorn Young: He's an amazing human being.

[1:40] Tonya Pinkins: So amazing.

[1:41] Tonya Pinkins: He came to my film when Harold Perrineau, I was not able to match the schedules of Harold Perrineau and Ruben Blades for the same time.

[1:50] Tonya Pinkins: And so I had to choose Reuben Blades, Terrell Perrano, and I chose Ruben.

[1:55] Tonya Pinkins: And then I was like, Adeshala, could you come in?

[1:57] Tonya Pinkins: And he totally got this character and came in and did it for me.

[2:01] Tonya Pinkins: And he's so talented.

[2:03] Tonya Pinkins: Dancing, acting, singing.

[2:05] Tonya Pinkins: Just extraordinary.

[2:07] Susan Eichhorn Young: He really is.

[2:08] Susan Eichhorn Young: And so humble.

[2:10] Tonya Pinkins: And I think I'm gonna have to come and study with you.

[2:13] Susan Eichhorn Young: So you are welcome anytime.

[2:16] Susan Eichhorn Young: It would be my honor.

[2:18] Tonya Pinkins: I was looking at your blog.

[2:20] Tonya Pinkins: And I first of all, besides just the little offerings of writing, I loved all the images that you find for each of those offerings.

[2:29] Tonya Pinkins: Really beautiful images.

[2:31] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, thank you.

[2:31] Susan Eichhorn Young: Where do you find them?

[2:32] Susan Eichhorn Young: Actually, I think it's a site called Unsplash, where the photographers can put up their work and then you just license them and use them because there's some amazing photographers that use that site.

[2:48] Tonya Pinkins: Well, the art that you have is amazing, and it really uplifts and makes you like, I want to read what she has to say.

[2:55] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, good.

[3:03] Tonya Pinkins: Great.

[3:03] Tonya Pinkins: So we're gonna try to do a screen share and welcome everybody.

[3:06] Tonya Pinkins: We're gonna share this new trailer.

[3:09] Tonya Pinkins: Uh, and then we'll have a chat about the world we're living in right now.

[3:14] Tonya Pinkins: Here we go.

[3:15] Tonya Pinkins: You is kind, you were smart, you is important, you is dead.

[3:22] Tonya Pinkins: Tonya Pinkins' horror film RED PILL brings African American perspective to progressive movement.

[3:30] Tonya Pinkins: We are a majority in this country, and we're gonna win the election.

[3:39] Tonya Pinkins: Do you know what the red pill is?

[3:41] Tonya Pinkins: A red pill is someone who infiltrates a group and then destroys them from the inside.

[3:50] Tonya Pinkins: This place is spooky.

[3:51] Tonya Pinkins: Some people like to live dangerously.

[3:54] Tonya Pinkins: Yes, why are you so jumpy tonight?

[3:57] Tonya Pinkins: You know what, guys? I'm gonna go back tomorrow.

[4:00] Tonya Pinkins: Did you hear about the creature woman that attacked a father and son hunting down here?

[4:04] Tonya Pinkins: I don't see the keys.

[4:06] Tonya Pinkins: This place creeps me out.

[4:11] Tonya Pinkins: I think we should call the sheriff's office.

[4:28] Tonya Pinkins: The only people missing or dead are brown people.

[4:34] Tonya Pinkins: They're after all of us.

[4:38] Tonya Pinkins: What do we do, Emilia?

[4:40] Tonya Pinkins: We die.

[4:42] Tonya Pinkins: But we take some of them with us.

[4:47] Tonya Pinkins: So that's our new trailer.

[4:49] Susan Eichhorn Young: Ooh, that looks it's gonna be incredible.

[4:53] Susan Eichhorn Young: I love to be scared.

[4:54] Susan Eichhorn Young: It makes me so happy.

[4:57] Susan Eichhorn Young: Renolin rash the tension and the release of that.

[5:00] Tonya Pinkins: Do you like scary movies?

[5:02] Susan Eichhorn Young: I'm not a huge fan of them, but I love the psychological scary.

[5:07] Susan Eichhorn Young: So, yeah.

[5:08] Tonya Pinkins: Well, this is definitely psychological scary, but you I like jump scares a lot.

[5:12] Susan Eichhorn Young: I actually do like jump scares, but you know, for the genre, you gotta give some, you gotta give a little horror.

[5:18] Tonya Pinkins: I don't like slashers.

[5:19] Susan Eichhorn Young: No.

[5:21] Tonya Pinkins: So um, we don't have a lot of that, but we give you some scary, we give you some scary.

[5:26] Tonya Pinkins: Um, which is kind of um, I think for a lot of people, the world we're living in right now is very scary.

[5:32] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yes.

[5:32] Susan Eichhorn Young: And they, you know, they say that people who enjoy the scary movies actually balance out more during a time like this.

[5:43] Tonya Pinkins: Really?

[5:43] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah.

[5:44] Susan Eichhorn Young: I just read that recently in an article.

[5:46] Susan Eichhorn Young: I can't remember where it was exactly, but yeah, that people that kind of move into more of a horror genre and can really find more emotional balance in a time like this.

[5:58] Tonya Pinkins: Well, I was in this class that said that when we dream at night and we have what we might call nightmares, what that is is the body releasing that energy.

[6:08] Tonya Pinkins: And I watch horror movies before I go to sleep.

[6:11] Tonya Pinkins: So I don't ever really remember any dreams.

[6:13] Tonya Pinkins: So I think I must do my releasing before I go to sleep.

[6:18] Susan Eichhorn Young: Or release and then let go of the remember while you're releasing it.

[6:25] Tonya Pinkins: That's all right.

[6:26] Tonya Pinkins: There was a quote on your website that said, um you're gonna know which one I'm talking about.

[6:31] Tonya Pinkins: About sleep is a temple, go and worship or something.

[6:34] Susan Eichhorn Young: What was it?

[6:34] Susan Eichhorn Young: I'm not getting it.

[6:35] Tonya Pinkins: Oh, I can't remember exactly either.

[6:37] Tonya Pinkins: But yeah, that sleep finds the temple of release and rest, something like that.

[6:43] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah.

[6:44] Susan Eichhorn Young: Worship.

[6:45] Tonya Pinkins: I love that very much.

[6:47] Tonya Pinkins: I thought you were in Canada, but you tell me you are in the Poconos.

[6:50] Susan Eichhorn Young: What is it? That red or blue country.

[6:53] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, it's a little mixture of both.

[6:55] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, where we are is sort of an interesting combination because there's a lot of theater and film and TV people that live out here too.

[7:03] Susan Eichhorn Young: So we have a very liberal center and then a lot of red wrapped around it.

[7:10] Susan Eichhorn Young: So it's interesting.

[7:13] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah.

[7:14] Tonya Pinkins: Very interesting.

[7:16] Tonya Pinkins: I was asking you right before we opened up if you were a witch, and you were talking to me about um really trying to um tap in.

[7:28] Susan Eichhorn Young: I'd love to talk more about that.

[7:30] Susan Eichhorn Young: Absolutely.

[7:32] Susan Eichhorn Young: I mean, I think some of that I think, I mean, I think for me, that's innately part of who I am and who I have always been, you know, um, since I remember things even as a small child like that, you know, and it's not something that I have formally explored, um, but done a lot of reading and research and exploration on my own through the years, and just you know, weaving it in and out of what I do, um, and just you know, tapping into that emotional and psychic energy, you know.

[8:10] Susan Eichhorn Young: Example of it.

[8:12] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, it's interesting because sometimes it does happen in dreams.

[8:16] Susan Eichhorn Young: Many of my singers that I work with, I have dreams about specific things of them getting jobs or I see them in a certain color on stage.

[8:25] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, you know, those kinds of things can be fascinating.

[8:30] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, yeah, it though those are interesting little tidbits of things I sometimes see.

[8:38] Tonya Pinkins: I sense, I'm not I'm not saying I'm accurate, but I sense that you feel a little um like it might be frivolous, but I'm quite serious about it.

[8:46] Tonya Pinkins: And um it is um almost a practice and a discipline for me.

[8:51] Tonya Pinkins: Um, this film, RED PILL came to me in a kind of a vision.

[8:57] Tonya Pinkins: Um I had never made a movie before, and it's the hardest, most exciting, thrilling thing I've ever done.

[9:04] Tonya Pinkins: But literally last July, I was having a conversation with a friend, Kim Sykes, and she said something, and I was like, you don't know what you're talking about.

[9:16] Tonya Pinkins: And then over the next week, these images started coming together, and I was on Canva and I was putting all these images together, and then all of a sudden, this flash of like, oh, this is what it didn't feel like this is what's going to be, but it felt like this is the story you're supposed to tell.

[9:37] Tonya Pinkins: And that, and at the time when I was fundraising, and people would read the script and they would be like, that's such a far-fetched ending.

[9:45] Tonya Pinkins: And now that ending is a reality.

[9:48] Tonya Pinkins: Um, no, I'm not a fortune teller, but that tapping in where sometimes something is just revealed to you, like it's available there.

[9:57] Tonya Pinkins: I was reading about a Peter Torchin guy who they say predicted this moment we're living right now.

[10:12] Tonya Pinkins: My sense of it was that you had you really did tap in, and it tapped into like a you formalized a time that was present and future and past. That's what I that was the sense of it, as I just read. And it just every time I would see something come up, even on social media, I would just get goosebumps. That there's something very, very, there's something very, very primordial about it. Very about it. And so I try to just stay out of the way. People are like, when is it gonna come out? And I'm like, I don't know. It's gonna come out when it's supposed to, because I had planned, my plan had been for it to come out in March. And had it come out COVID, it would have been easily dismissed. Yes. And now it is just going to be, yes, this is what we are living. And someone said to me today, people are gonna think you just you know added that in at the last minute or something like that. Nope.

[11:17] Susan Eichhorn Young: Now I you you you teach some of the finest, you know, Lily's white. And uh what is I mean, for her to trust you, I have to go out like I have to bow down because if Lily's is one of the finest things on the planet, she thinks it's one that's good. I got to, I got to, you know, what to even listen and you know, tell me what is it? You got you clearly got the magic.

[11:40] Tonya Pinkins: I would hope there is, but the magic happens between, right? Um, I think my job always or my calling is to reflect who stands before me so that the artist that stands in front of me gets to get a sense of how they can be seen. And then we trust that space. I mean, when I started to teach, one of my big things was I did not want to be taught, I did not want to teach the way I had been taught. And that's not from every teacher, because I've had some fabulous teachers, but especially in the singing world. Often there is that my way or the highway. You must do as I tell you, you. You must make sure that you have permission from me to do anything, you know, all of that kind of craziness. And anything like that, any sense of being beholden to someone.

Um, I did not want to bring that into the energy in the studio. So my goal always was to create a collaborative space where an artist could come in and explore and feel safe doing that, and begin to discover what could be, and then how they can take that into the industry and start, you know, cracking ceilings and walls and and be seen as the artist, not as a type, right?

[13:05] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah, you radiate a wonderful warmth. You're Canadian, right?

[13:08] Tonya Pinkins: I am. And how long been uh down here in the South?

[13:12] Susan Eichhorn Young: Off and I know off and on since 1990. Now and yeah. I learned this week from this academic who uh out of Cornell, Kate Mann, she was saying that white women marry outside of their race less than any other group on the planet, and also they they support and vote for fascist um leaders more than any other group. So tell me how you got to be uh you're you're you're in an interracial relationship. How'd that happen? And what what was the the backlash?

[13:48] Susan Eichhorn Young: You know what? Interesting. I mean, there could have been backlash elsewhere. There certainly wasn't in our circles, you know, in our families whatsoever. Um, we met in Canada, he was singing in Canada. Um, and I always say, you know, his soul saw my soul, and I and my soul saw his soul, and then we just figured it out, and we're still trying to figure it out, you know.

[14:11] Tonya Pinkins: Is it hard?

[14:13] Susan Eichhorn Young: It's it is um not between us. Um it's more it's it's observing because I would never say I understand because I'm not I'm not in that skin, but I watch it every day. You know, and so every day I'm learning more in how to support, you know, how to ask the right questions, um, to to learn how to be um the kind of person and spirit that needs to be there in support of that. Um because interestingly, you know, it seems to it has seemed to have gotten worse, not better, you know. And you know, Thomas is um a magnificent tenor, but he was in the Marine Corps at a very young age. Yeah, he was in Vietnam. And so, you know, um he's got a very interesting trajectory in his life as well, you know, as a warrior and an artist. So um, as a feminine energy in that and balancing that, you know, we are in interesting times all the time, you know.

[15:24] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah. Um, he and I do not have. I have a daughter, yeah, who's in the business too, and and she and her husband are in the heights. Yeah, so I gotta ask you this. You said you're in this liberal bubble. I keep wondering. This is just a question I have. I don't have an answer for this, but I sometimes think, you know, if 55% of voting age white women voted for the man in the office. Oh, I know. Like so every time I see two white women, one of them and part of the other one voted for Trump, do you sense that your white women friends are just not telling you the truth?

[16:04] Susan Eichhorn Young: My white women friends are telling me the truth. Um, they I mean, uh the ones that are in my closest bubble, absolutely. Um, I I see with white women um that if they are, I mean, again, it's it's like an old paradigm. If the if their husband voted for that man, the tendency is that they do as well.

[16:29] Tonya Pinkins: Why?

[16:30] Susan Eichhorn Young: I don't know, Tanya. I wish I knew. I think sometimes it's it's it is it's just I wanna know. You know, I because I I just cannot, I cannot fathom how twisted your moral compass must have to become in order to say that that's okay, right?

[16:53] Tonya Pinkins: Like, I just don't understand that.

[16:56] Susan Eichhorn Young: You to go find out because they're not gonna tell me, Susan. I know connected to me to speak that truth or be vulnerable or be open to change for me, you gotta go do that that ministry.

[17:08] Tonya Pinkins: I know. I'm trying. They just make me mad. Then they see me coming and they don't want to talk to me either.

[17:20] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh Lord, I I mean, I wish I I really don't understand it at all. I mean, I can see a more conservative mindset, seems in some instances to be more protected, but this isn't even conservative anymore.

[17:39] Tonya Pinkins: Right.

[17:39] Susan Eichhorn Young: You know, this is cult-like, really, is it? I mean, it is. So, what happens to a psyche to then just turn, you know? I mean, remember when Howard Dean just went yeehaw and that was the end of his race? That's all it took.

[18:02] Tonya Pinkins: Right.

[18:04] Susan Eichhorn Young: And and you know, every time we saw the next thing with this abomination, we thought, okay, they can't get any worse. It's got right. I'm gonna say this. I think that that man is a master magician, metaphysician, and that he is uh what is needed in this movie for us. That you know, people keep talking about the age of the Aquarius, and Alistair Crowley talked about the new Aeon, and um he has brought about something, he has been a reflection of our world for us, and that has been important, and I uh I try to work with my shadow, um, embracing my shadow, and and one day my discipline was uh embracing my inner tyrant, and really just moving into if I was a tyrant, what would I, what would I, what could I, and just being in that energy like a toddler having a thing, you know, in my bedroom, just and it was so much fun, yeah.

[19:16] Tonya Pinkins: And I was like, oh, it was a new perspective. It's like, oh, he's having the time of his life. This is not about evil, this is about this is so much fun. He is king of the world. He can knock down all the blocks, and other people have to pick him back up and he can knock them down again. And it doesn't get any better than this. And who would walk away from that with these? Now I'm not saying I think that's good, but I'm saying, as an artist, if I had to play the role, that's the space that I'd come to in playing the role. That this is the shadow in full expression.

[19:53] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah.

[19:54] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah. I agree. That makes total sense. And then that combination of creating your own reality, right? And then, you know, our whole that whole idea of reality show. It's like we're living inside his twisted mind reality show.

[20:14] Susan Eichhorn Young: Because he's been allowed to create it.

[20:16] Tonya Pinkins: Yes. And people. And they hold this space for it. Yeah. And so it became it, you know, we all are holding up this reality together. So how are we gonna hold a new one? I don't know. Do we just burn it down and start over again?

[20:35] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, Susan, am I allowed to share a theory about the white women of why they vote for Trump?

[20:41] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah, because I don't want to.

[20:44] Tonya Pinkins: Oh, this is Tanya's space. You go for it.

[20:49] Tonya Pinkins: So I've had a crazy theory. Um, and it might not be crazy. Tell us your because other babies, some people can't see you. This will be on my podcast. You have to make sure you give us permission to put this on my podcast.

[21:01] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, okay, you've got my permission.

[21:03] Tonya Pinkins: Okay, so talk about Cindy.

[21:07] Susan Eichhorn Young: Cindy, we'll leave it at Cindy. Um, so here's kind of this crazy theory: is that I've been reading lots of books on trauma, right? And intergenerational trauma. And if you actually think about it, a hundred years ago, women were not out working. Women were basically slaves to their men. They got married and they have to, right? So if we are carrying, and again, this is not making an excuse, but if we have unclear trauma from our own lifetime, or the centuries of women being abused and basically servants to men, if that's unclear, it goes back to, I believe what you said, Tanya. If it had that trauma hasn't been cleared, I think it goes back to you, Tanya. What you said earlier is that they feel like they can't say anything to their husbands, for example.

But I also think it's also the identifier with the abuser, right? So people who have been abused and have not cleared that trauma, and again, it's just because I've been reading about this for years. Um, until they clear the trauma, there is a group of people who just want to be loved and approved by their abuser because I think that it will shield them in some way. Um if they're nice to their abuser and they try to please their abuser, maybe he'll stop.

[22:23] Tonya Pinkins: So that's Stockholm syndrome.

[22:25] Susan Eichhorn Young: You're talking about Stockholm syndrome and trauma bonding.

[22:28] Tonya Pinkins: Okay, there you go. I didn't know what to leave. So that's just a theory. I think that might be one or two of the two of the reasons. Like I even think about it, like even in my own family. I'm the first my sisters and I are the first in our family to get educated and work as women. Like it's still pretty new for a lot of us to be in our power as women and be able to have choice and be able to not be subservient.

[22:52] Susan Eichhorn Young: How did your sisters vote?

[22:54] Tonya Pinkins: How did you and your sisters vote?

[22:55] Susan Eichhorn Young: I'm Canadian. If I was I'm here on a green card. If I was allowed to vote, it would have been blue.

[23:02] Tonya Pinkins: My sisters in Canada would be all blue.

[23:05] Susan Eichhorn Young: But pardon?

[23:07] Tonya Pinkins: Are you sure?

[23:08] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, 100%.

[23:09] Tonya Pinkins: And your mom.

[23:11] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, don't even get her started on him.

[23:16] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah. Well, thank you for seeing that.

[23:18] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah. And it's interesting because they haven't worked through a lot of their trauma like I have. So, but they're a hundred percent on board. But I also think Canadians are a different culture. And I and I didn't realize how radically different our cultures were until I moved here.

[23:32] Tonya Pinkins: And I still remember moving to South Central LA, and people are like, you can't move there. I'm like, why? They're like, you're white. I'm like, they're just people. Like, I don't get it. Like, it's so weird to me.

[23:42] Susan Eichhorn Young: But yeah, I learned pretty hard in the first two weeks of being an immigrant here of what of stuff.

[23:49] Tonya Pinkins: Anyways, I've said my piece, but I just I think that that's that those could be big pieces, and that women have to continue to work through the intergenerational trauma so that we could really hold our power in masses.

[24:02] Susan Eichhorn Young: Thank you so much.

[24:03] Tonya Pinkins: Thanks for letting me have a voice.

[24:05] Susan Eichhorn Young: For sure. What do you think about that, Susan?

[24:09] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, I'm sure a lot of this idea of trauma in and you know intergenerational trauma, absolutely, because we see it everywhere. It's not just white women. Come on, you know, um, we you know, as women, um I mean, the fact that I can identify as white, which allows me great, it allows me a lot more privilege and entitlement, you know, and and we need to recognize that as white women, um, you know, and and in doing so, then if we can then know that there might be trauma, then if we are if we recognize that intellectually, then we have to do something about that.

[24:59] Tonya Pinkins: How does trauma express in the singing voice?

[25:05] Susan Eichhorn Young: Oh, it can come through so many different ways. Um, self-sabotage is a big one, where all of a sudden, you know, you can do something in one space and then make excuses that it can't happen in another space. Um, you know, writing the script before it happens, that can be a really big one. Um, oftentimes I find um again, trauma can live in the body in different places.

[25:33] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, and so it often will um sabotage the breath.

[25:38] Tonya Pinkins: I think that's mine.

[25:40] Susan Eichhorn Young: And then where you hold that in the body, right? So I mean, if you're going through all of your energy centers, you know, it will the breath move through certain spots. I think a big place where a lot of us hold that is at the solar plexus, you know, at the gut reaction spot where um, you know, we are often as women in a totality within a western civilization, especially, you know, made to feel that we have to either apologize, check to see if it's okay, you know, and then we grip there and hold that.

[26:16] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um I was more comfortable in my singing voice when I first started off. People used to say they marveled at my singing because they I never seemed to breathe, and then I learned to breathe, but I could never sing the same anymore.

[26:32] Tonya Pinkins: What's that?

[26:33] Susan Eichhorn Young: I don't even know what that is. I think breath, breath is the magic.

[26:39] Tonya Pinkins: Breath is truly the magic.

[26:41] Susan Eichhorn Young: That is what will release and carry anything you have to say. And so sometimes that breath is in some type of motion. And if anything changes the trajectory, that can throw the response off.

[27:00] Tonya Pinkins: What came to me as you were saying that was that maybe in my sort of traumatized gripping, there was a will that could make things and I could control it, and I'm strong-willed, and I could make it happen. And then as I learned to breathe, the breathing, I don't have control over that, and that's gonna hit some shit that might happen, and uh now can't because I don't have control anymore.

[27:26] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah, yeah. Because I think as and and as actors too, it it's just with the singing voice, everything is extended, right? So we're dealing in intangibles, breath, we can't see, vibration we can't see in musculature, we can't see.

[28:00] Tonya Pinkins: I gotta ask how you do that because I've been listening to you and other singers talk about how you can't hear your own voice. And I'm like, well, I'm hearing all the time, which you mean I can't hear my voice.

[28:10] Susan Eichhorn Young: Um, so if I can't even hear my voice, how are we gonna make these intangibles tangible?

[28:16] Tonya Pinkins: And I think this anal is analogous to this trauma that you know those voters are not aware of too.

[28:24] Susan Eichhorn Young: So how do we make the intangibles just speak up, keep it in voice?

[28:26] Tonya Pinkins: We'll use it as so it's learning how to literally feel physically feel, emotionally feel to stay present, and so you're you're feeling the traveling of that energy because you will feel you will hear yourself, but you don't hear yourself in the same way.

[28:48] Susan Eichhorn Young: I mean, you know, from a scientific acoustic, like this is always the brain blow for me. Because you hear your own voice as a reverb with soft tissue, you get a delay.

[29:01] Tonya Pinkins: Oh, and everyone else who hears you hears you through air, which carries it to their ear without delay.

[29:11] Susan Eichhorn Young: So here's the so you literally, so I literally hear you before you hear yourself.

[29:19] Tonya Pinkins: I mean, it's millimila millisecond, obviously, right?

[29:22] Susan Eichhorn Young: But that's why so often, you know, until you get used to what you sound like when you hear yourself speaking or singing on recording, the first time you ever hear yourself, it's like that's me.

[29:34] Tonya Pinkins: Really?

[29:35] Susan Eichhorn Young: I want to be crazy here.

[29:36] Tonya Pinkins: I'm gonna tell you a little secret.

[29:38] Susan Eichhorn Young: I never could do singing as a like a cabaret kind of singing.

[29:42] Tonya Pinkins: I didn't ever want to sing unless I was a character.

[29:44] Susan Eichhorn Young: Like that was my protection.

[29:46] Tonya Pinkins: And if this thing is me, I didn't want to do it.

[29:49] Susan Eichhorn Young: Too vulnerable, too naked.

[29:51] Tonya Pinkins: I have not sung in forever.

[29:53] Susan Eichhorn Young: Want to play with me?

[29:54] Tonya Pinkins: Let's play.

[29:54] Susan Eichhorn Young: Yeah, you want to sing a little bit?

[29:56] Tonya Pinkins: I'm scared, Susan, but I'm gonna risk it.

[30:04] Tonya Pinkins: Hi, this is Tonya Pinkins. That was part one of my conversation with Susan Eichhorn Young. Come back to part two of You Can't SAY THAT on the Broadway Podcast Network.