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[0:00] Tonya Pinkins: Welcome back. I'm Tonya Pinkins. You're listening to You Can't SAY THAT. And this is part two of my conversation with Paul Matthews, a Joshi about life as an expat in Korea.

[0:17] Paul Matthews: We gotta say what truth for you. Can we tell us real? Can I understand you? There's no shame in America. Let's talk about shame in Korean and how it, you know, it seems to affect the politicians, right? Who didn't a president jump off a mountain or something?

[0:41] Tonya Pinkins: Uh yeah, we had President No Muchan after he stepped down. Uh there were scandals surrounding him, and he committed suicide. Um this year, Seoul doesn't actually have a mayor at the moment. Because the mayor committed suicide. Um he was he was a beloved figure. Um everyone thought he was a really good guy. And then uh it came out that there were accusations that he had been sexually harassing a member of staff, and the next day he went missing, and then his body was found.

[1:14] Paul Matthews: And yeah, this is this is this is one aspect of Korea that you don't necessarily hear when you when you read about BTS or or other uh K-pop phenomena. Uh well, and then speaking of that, we've got celebrities killing themselves. We have a really high suicide rate um for young actors, actresses, and singers and dancers who are, I don't know, they're they're having a really hard time and there's no way out, and then they end their lives.

[1:42] Tonya Pinkins: Tell me what I mean, you're there, you're you're in it, but you're not of it. What is the what is the pressure of that? Because sometimes, like I was around people there who I felt like your mental illness is your culture. If you could just cut the ties with your family, I mean that sounds horrible. I'm like, I'm like, you'd be perfectly sane in America, but you have to cut the ties.

[2:05] Paul Matthews: But the problem is that family is everything, and family is so important. Um, and that and the other thing is that you you have to look at how Korea has changed. America has is a relatively new country. Yeah, absolutely. But it's but but it's had it's had a gradual process of change. There have been bumps along the way and and huge milestones at some points and and huge crises at others. But Korea um until the early 1900s, Korea was a monarchy, um, and had fought off Japan and China many, many times.

[2:41] Paul Matthews: And then at the start of the 1900s, Japan occupied Korea and occupied Korea until 1945 at the end of the Second World War. Korea then went through a period where it was trying to fight itself before fighting itself from 1950 to 1953 in the Korean War. Then after that, uh we had dictators up until the late 80s, when finally Korea started to have its own democracy, and then in the 90s, Korea had this big financial crisis, and from to about 2000 onwards, suddenly Korea became this huge, this huge powerhouse, and the last 20 years has been incredibly successful.

[3:20] Paul Matthews: But this has all happened in the space of a hundred years, and you've got people who were born in extreme poverty, you've got grandparents who were born during the Korean War, or who lived through the Korean War and lived through the hardships that came after that. Then you've got children who were born in 2001, who all they know are smartphones and uh and K-pop and a fun life. You've got this these huge extremes. So, therefore, when you've got a family, when you've got three or four generations, they're all coming from very different places.

[3:55] Paul Matthews: And our childhood experiences form us, you know, form our personalities so strongly. So it's Korea has changed so much, and yet you've got people who are left behind. You've got the older generations who are still in their time. And so when they're confronted with children who want this or want to do that or want to be this or want to do be that, they can find it really hard to understand, hard to accept. And Korea's come to this this crunch point now, especially because with the internet, well, the whole world is available to you.

[4:30] Paul Matthews: And you can see how other people are living, and you can go, well, I know I'm this and I want to be like this, and these people over there are doing that, so why can't I do that too? So it's a it's a it's a really big issue. And I feel I feel really sad because I have friends, you know, uh for a start to be an actor in Korea is is not a good move. Your parents are probably going to be disappointed with you. Oh, okay. You know, if you're not a lawyer or a doctor, if you go if you're going into the arts, it's it's not good.

[5:01] Paul Matthews: You know, I've got friends who, you know, uh uh friends who who haven't come out to their families, or if they have come out, it's been a really, really tough time. Um it's it's really difficult. Um, and and there's nothing I can do about it as a as a big fat hairy white man over here because I'm also not part of the society. And that's also a difficult thing, is that I think in America, for example, um anyone could be American. You can you can move to America in your 20s and you can get citizenship and you can call yourself American.

[5:36] Paul Matthews: I think. I may be wrong. In Korea, I've lived here 20 years. I'm hoping to get Korean citizenship. But I don't think people are gonna look at me and say, Yep, you're Korean. Even when I'm legally Korean. And that's okay. That's a that's a it's a different culture, it's a different way. But but yeah, I'm I'm I'm outside of the society to a certain extent, and that's okay for me, and that's actually advantageous to me. I I have such privilege in Korea being being a big fat, hairy white man.

[6:10] Paul Matthews: Um because I benefit from from institutional racism and from the way that uh Korea has idealized America and Europe, and uh, you know, the fact that I'm an English speaker. These are all big advantages to me. If I came from elsewhere in the world, and if I if I was a different race, a different color, I I would be treated very, very differently. And I'm very aware of that.

[6:34] Tonya Pinkins: I heard of this concept, han. Han, am I saying it right?

[6:38] Paul Matthews: Yeah, han, yeah. What is that? Your sort of understanding of that.

[6:42] Paul Matthews: Oh, it's this embedded anger and frustration and hate and regret and all the bad things that get bottled up and that you're never allowed to express, and then one day it all comes out. Um it's uh yeah, it's this it's this inner pain. This this deep emotional inner pain. I think for me, I feel like it's it's what I love about Korean movies. There's a lot of it in there. I mean, it's dark, but it's all so funny, and they just they take that Han and they turn it into art.

[7:23] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, well, you you've spent when you've spent as a country a hundred years under occupation and then under dictatorship. If you've as a country for centuries been attacked, always been the underdog, always been looked down upon. If you as a country um think that, well, we're so small. Uh Koreans always talk about how small Korea is. Um and for many years, how how you know how how little power Korea had. I think now, especially during the pandemic, Korean people generally have gone, hang on, we're doing better than everyone else. Does that mean we're actually pretty good? It's been a big lesson for a lot of people, I feel.

[8:06] Paul Matthews: Um, so yeah, so it it's all it's all wrapped up. I mean, and you also the fact is that that Japan has has not properly uh properly apologized to Korea, will not properly recognize what it did to Korea, to China and to other countries um during the first half of the 20th century. I don't think most Americans are even aware of the Holocaust and genocide that the Japanese perpetuated on Koreans.

[8:34] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, and so there's there's that issue when when the you know when I think it was last week in Germany, there was a big kerfuffle about a comfort woman statue. So for those who don't know, the comfort women, uh, were these these young girls, they were in in their teens or early twenties, and they were basically snatched away from their families and taken to serve Japanese soldiers as sex slaves.

[8:58] Paul Matthews: And for quite a number of years now, there has been a statue outside the Japanese embassy in Seoul, and it's a young woman, and she's sitting on a bench and she's just waiting there. And um, this statue has been copied and placed all over Korea and also all over the world. Um, and it's in remembrance of the suffering of these women. Uh, and many Japanese organizations have protested and wanted these statues taken down. And in Germany last week, in Berlin, I think it was, um, there was a Japanese civic group who tried to have the statue removed, but fortunately um the local council um have let it stay for the moment.

[9:38] Paul Matthews: But the fact, the fact is it's a it's a it's a symbol remembering what happened to those women. And I think that Germany, for example, in Germany, uh, you know, I think the country as a whole has come to terms with what happened and what Germany was. With the Holocaust and the genocide, and America certainly has not. But Germany, you know, Germany, you look there was a beautiful moment with Macron and Merkel hugging last year at some at some uh at some memorial event, and you're thinking, yes, this is how it should be. A nation recognizes that what it did was awful, but it's moving on and it's and it's finding a way to pay reparations and it's doing its best.

[10:22] Paul Matthews: Whereas Japan is like, pull that statue down, we can't have a statue of the young girl up there.

[10:28] Paul Matthews: I mean, we need these statues. We need these things to remind us of the horrors that so many people have been through. Um, so some people would say we need those Confederate statues to remind us of the horrors that our ancestors went through too. No, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no. We don't need those Confederate statues. We're not put I don't want a statue to Hitler, for example. That's not what I'm asking for. I want a statue with a young girl to remind us that we need to protect everybody. That these young women went through that. Those are the statues that we need. Those the Confederate bullshit, and it's the same in the UK, there was there's there are statues that shouldn't be up anymore. Or put them in a museum.

I don't say destroy them, put them in a museum with a very long description saying exactly what each of those motherfuckers did. List the good things, list the bad things. But let's be frank and honest about history. Um I think that is a big piece. If we can list the good things and the bad things instead of having to make people all anything, that people are a mix of everything. Well, well, we look at um uh we're speaking December, December 11th, American time. Uh, yesterday, Korean time, Kim Ki-duck, the director, passed away. Um, and he is a very controversial figure in Korean cinema. He has made some incredible films, but there have been accusations surrounding him sexually abusing, physically abusing cast members.

Um, I had to stop watching his films because I just I didn't want to support him as an artist. Um, but at the same time, his film Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter, Spring, his film Three Iron, they are some incredible pieces of cinema. There's no denying that. When if you if you didn't know who directed it and you watch it, you go, wow, this is astonishing. But you know, nobody's perfect. But but uh, you know, we have to list the good and the bad. We have to, we have to look at these people, especially those that we that we deem to be heroes or deem to be good enough to have a statue, and say, Well, who were they really? What do you think about that?

[12:39] Tonya Pinkins: I mean, I see what you're saying. I know you told me that those two those films were some of your favorite. That film was a favorite of yours. Is that I mean, I I think that it's just such a hard thing to uh, you know, separating an artist from their work. I think that the artist has to be uh have consequences for their personal behavior.

[12:59] Paul Matthews: Absolutely. You know, I think if we can give consequences to the artists, then we can separate the work. But as long as the artists have no consequences, I think the only power that people have is to say, Well, I'm gonna, you know, boycott your work.

[13:14] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, exactly. And that's what I did, you know. I've I've not watched any of the films he's made in the last five years or so. Um I agree. Yeah, there have to be consequences. Um, and it is really difficult because the the artist is part of the work. It's like um this past couple of weeks in the UK, there's been a lot of talk about Roald Dahl and his anti-Semitism. And my goodness, Roald Dahl was an amazing writer. His books for for children and for adults, his short stories for adults were also astonishing. When I look at a book like Matilda, that had such an impact on me as a child, and an impact on millions of children, such a positive book for children to read, and yet he had very strong anti-Semitic views. And we've got to talk about that, and we've got to admit it, and we've got to say, okay, yeah, he was a good writer, but he wasn't necessarily a good human being.

[14:11] Paul Matthews: I guess there's this other piece of that that I I feel like there's something shifting in me around it. Like I have my anger and my rage about things, but I also have this piece of me that recognizes that people come from a time and a place. You know, like sometimes when I think about sexual harassment, I'm like, women were property at the beginning of the last century. People could do whatever they wanted to do with their property. You can't, I mean, I'm not saying it was right for them to be property, but the rules and the behavior were based on something that people had agreed upon who are in power. So now that we're saying that they are not agreed upon, you know, do we give any lenience to people who came up in a different time or not? Or do we not give them lengths? Do we say, well, it a law should have never been that way? I I don't have an answer, but it's something I wrestle with.

[15:05] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, I yeah, and I I don't know the answer to your question. I I too am thinking a lot about that, because you know, we're we're finally starting to talk as a society, as a global society about these issues and starting to confront, you know, that what we were taught in class isn't necessarily what we should have been taught. It wasn't necessarily the whole truth. And yet, there is something to to be said about, well, they were a man or a woman of that time, that they that they grew up in that society and they grew up with that um that moral code that that society decided was right for it. Um but at the same time, in every society in every time period, there have been people who have fought against that.

[15:48] Paul Matthews: Absolutely. People who have stood up against it, so why did they not stand up too? I'm with you on that too. Yeah, and that and which brings us to the question is why aren't we all standing up for what we believe in? Um, I think I think a little of that is we look at the history of the people who did Galileo, Copernicus, it didn't really work out for them. I mean, what's a what a little execution amongst friends? It's fine. Uh, yeah, and that's and that's the thing is that generally speaking, most of us are cowards, and most of us are unwilling to stand up for our beliefs. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong is beside the point. Um, but what I love about this late this new generation, you know, is it Generation Z? Is that what we're calling them now? I can't keep up.

[16:34] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, but the but look at like I look at what's happening on TikTok, and in some ways, TikTok is a poisonous app in many ways. It's you know, it's it's Facebook on methamphetamines. Um, but at the same time, it's a force for good when you've got teens using their channels to talk about politics or to talk about social issues or to stand up for what they believe in. I think this is magnificent because I would have been too scared to do that at 16 or 17. I might say it to my friends, but to say it to the whole world, to have it on video, to to express yourself in that way takes such courage and bravery, and I really admire that.

[17:19] Paul Matthews: Um I I think I rarely go on TikTok, but I was on TikTok today, and my thought when I was on TikTok going through and seeing all these people, I thought TikTok alone will be able to clear a global idea of black Americans as these violent criminals. Because all you see are these wonderful dancers, singers, families, beautiful homes. I was like, TikTok can single-handedly change the image of American blacks in the world. It's wonderful because let's face it, when I was growing up, what image of American blacks did I have? Well, it was it was the films that came out. And generally speaking, uh, it was violence. And it was gangsters and it was guns and it was drugs. And you know, and and I absolutely agree that now, thanks to these these toxic and poisonous apps, they're actually also doing really good things to the world.

[18:17] Tonya Pinkins: It's it's amazing. Um, and yeah, like I I will go through TikTok and and I can see uh immigrants to Korea who are working in the factories. So these are often uh from Southeast Asia uh and from other parts of the world who who are they're they're that they're the ones who are basically driving Korea's economy because they're picking the strawberries or they're or they're making the socks or they're or they're operating the machines in the factories. And thanks to TikTok, suddenly I get 30 seconds of their life. And that for me is amazing because I have no other way to access that experience. And like you said, I can see I can see you know, someone in the US dancing a silly dance or doing a little skit or or just being who they are.

And that is also really, really brilliant because it's it's allowing me to connect with you know hundreds of individuals at a time and to go, oh, this is your life, or this is what you want to show of your life. And that's a really democratic thing.

[19:21] Paul Matthews: And that's that's one of the great things about TikTok, despite it again being very toxic and very poisonous, is that to a certain extent it's a democratic app. And everyone can get a chance to show who they are. I think it's worrying that that you know there's a drive to want to be famous on TikTok, and that's really dangerous.

[19:41] Tonya Pinkins: Well, don't you think that you know capitalism sort of sells this idea of exceptionalism and fame and the crabs in the barrel thing, and you know, maybe some of these things like TikTok will help people stop that, because so few people actually achieve that. I mean, I hope it it starts to be boring for people, the idea of like, oh, I want to be an influencer. I mean, I don't I don't see it happening any soon. But like, I don't know if you've heard of this new app called Clubhouse. Do you know that one?

[20:12] Paul Matthews: No.

[20:14] I’ve only been on it for three days, and um, it is a social media app where you can just have conversations with people from all over the world about anything. Anyone can open a room and people can come and listen, or they can um ask to participate. I think it's gonna be the end of podcasts, because before I came on with you, I was just in a room listening to people who were neurodivergent talking about what it was like to exist, trying to go to school, what their different kind of solutions were.

[20:48] Paul Matthews: I mean, if for anything else, it's gonna be the best research laboratory that it is in the world for creatives that you can just go in and listen to real people just telling you how it is in their lives.

[21:00] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, that sounds amazing, but at the same time, uh very dangerous.

[21:07] Paul Matthews: Why dangerous?

[21:08] Tonya Pinkins: Uh well, for one, um the internet means that you can share your message with the world, but it also means that anyone can listen to that message, and there are a lot of horrible people out there.

[21:21] Paul Matthews: I think we're past the point of no return for that.

[21:23] Tonya Pinkins: I assume that everything I'm doing is under surveillance at all times.

[21:28] Paul Matthews: Oh, yeah, but just assume that.

[21:29] Tonya Pinkins: But you're a grown adult.

[21:31] Paul Matthews: And what worries me is you've got teenagers who are maybe not as savvy and don't have the world experience, and who will open their hearts on these kind of things and will talk about anything and will be preyed upon and will be perhaps humiliated, maybe bullied, or even worse, you know, the cases of you know these predators going on these apps.

[21:56] Tonya Pinkins: And then you have the QAnons.

[21:59] Paul Matthews: You have the conspiracy theorists.

[22:02] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, but the apps didn't make them.

[22:03] Paul Matthews: I mean, those people, those things existed.

[22:06] Tonya Pinkins: The apps did not create any of those things.

[22:08] Paul Matthews: Oh no, but the apps help propagate them.

[22:12] Tonya Pinkins: And that's the worrying thing.

[22:13] Paul Matthews: And I think I think for 20 years we've been in the wild west of the internet, and we need regulation.

[22:20] Tonya Pinkins: I don't know about regulation.

[22:23] Paul Matthews: We can't put it in anybody's hands or anybody's control.

[22:26] Tonya Pinkins: I mean, the beauty of it is that it's available to anybody.

[22:29] Paul Matthews: Who are we gonna give the control to?

[22:31] Tonya Pinkins: How can we trust them?

[22:32] Paul Matthews: How do we know they can't be corrupted or bought?

[22:34] Tonya Pinkins: I don't know.

[22:35] Paul Matthews: I'd rather risk the danger, you know, rather than um then than then than give up the illusion of freedom, even though we are being uh we are the product on the internet.

[22:49] Tonya Pinkins: I get it.

[22:50] Paul Matthews: I'm the product.

[22:51] Tonya Pinkins: They're selling me.

[22:52] Paul Matthews: Yeah, that's it's and and that's and going back to talking about America, that's a very American viewpoint.

[23:01] Tonya Pinkins: Tell me your viewpoint.

[23:03] Paul Matthews: Well, I'd I I I you know I grew up with things like the BBC, um, which is government funded but not government controlled. And the idea that um I I believe, for example, that YouTube should be regulated and treated as a broadcasting organization.

[23:20] Tonya Pinkins: Um I think that that there are there's so much danger out there in terms of the material that can be put on that can be accessed by children, for example.

[23:30] Paul Matthews: There are cases where there are these automated videos, they're they're they're automatically generated, um, and they contain violent images along with kids' cartoons. And you get kids who are searching through YouTube because mom and dad are busy, I don't know, cooking dinner or doing whatever, and they thanks to the algorithm, they end up watching something they should not be watching.

[23:53] Tonya Pinkins: And you know, uh traumatizing a five-year-old.

[23:57] Paul Matthews: But wait a minute, doesn't that now why are we gonna put the responsibility on the internet? Doesn't it mean parents need to put the parental controls on their equipment and they need to have a little more, you know, um ple say in what their children are doing.

[24:11] Tonya Pinkins: You can't let the b internet be the babysitter.

[24:13] Paul Matthews: But people do.

[24:15] Tonya Pinkins: People do.

[24:16] Paul Matthews: Now look, people do a lot of stupid things.

[24:19] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, and that's why we need really good example of.

[24:23] Paul Matthews: I don't think we're ever going to be able to legislate away stupidity.

[24:27] Tonya Pinkins: No.

[24:28] Paul Matthews: Um and stupidity is the future. Uh but at the but at the same time, and this is why I I believe in regulation, because like I I I work for children, I make art for children. So I have a great concern about what children are consuming.

[24:44] Tonya Pinkins: And for the most part, children generally are consuming a lot of crap.

[24:48] Paul Matthews: And that's that's always been the way. If you look at generally what's on TV. There's good stuff, but there's a lot of bad stuff. But it's really worrying that with the internet now, children are having access to the internet, unregulated, unfettered access, and they're seeing things which we should not be subjecting them to.

[25:06] Tonya Pinkins: Well, you know, we're gonna have to agree to disagree about that.

[25:11] Paul Matthews: And that's fine, but but it's not like I want children to see this violence, but I want someone else to have control over because I want to have access to go find anything I want.

[25:22] Tonya Pinkins: Well, that's the thing, and and and I have no problem with that. I have no problem with you having unfettered access. But at the same time, if you know, if uh you know, in the same way that when we go to the cinema, you can't get into the cinema to see an R-rated movie unless you're with a parent or guardian and and you if you're under 17.

[25:41] Paul Matthews: But you can't deny that there are some minds that as soon as you say no, they got to figure it out.

[25:47] Tonya Pinkins: And those children who want to figure it out are gonna figure it out, and you know what? They may be the genius minds who are gonna create something incredible in the future. So as soon as you say no, you got the people who are like, okay, we got to get in there, because we we just got to.

[26:01] Paul Matthews: There are people who just have to break through things because there's a ball.

[26:05] Tonya Pinkins: Yeah, but at least all the other children don't have to be faced with it.

[26:13] Paul Matthews: Korea's gotten into you.

[26:15] Tonya Pinkins: You the Korean has gotten into you all.

[26:17] Paul Matthews: I don't think Ridd would have said this.

[26:20] Tonya Pinkins: I don't know.

[26:20] Paul Matthews: I d no, I I don't I I don't know. It's I know there is no easy answer to it, but but I also really worry about about unfiltered internet. And um and I don't have an answer. And when I talk about regulation, I can't tell you who should regulate it, but I know that I know that it's really worrying what is happening sometimes on the internet in terms of fake news, in terms of conspiracy theories, in terms of Facebook or Twitter not checking things or allowing abuse to go um unstopped.

[26:53] Tonya Pinkins: I hear you.

[26:54] Paul Matthews: I'm with you.

[26:55] Tonya Pinkins: And there's just this part of me that's just like I my optimism says that whatever we're seeing, it's evolving towards higher levels of good, and that the world is getting better for more people.

[27:09] Paul Matthews: So, yes, there is nothing excluding mutually exclusive about things being really, really awful in many areas and things still getting better.

[27:18] Tonya Pinkins: So I have a faith in evolution as a positive force more than I have a a fear of the terrible things that I do see happening all around and all the time.

[27:30] Paul Matthews: Yeah, and yeah, I d I understand. Uh you're a glass half full kind of gal.

[27:35] Tonya Pinkins: I'm uh I'm a black. Nobody would ever say that about me at all.

[27:39] Paul Matthews: No one would ever say that about me.

[27:42] Tonya Pinkins: I think that what I actually am is no matter what my guest is doing, I just take the other side. I just I just like to play devil's advocate. I would have been a great lawyer if I could have brainwashed myself into believing in that fake system.

[27:57] Paul Matthews: Now that's a system I'd like regulated.

[28:00] Tonya Pinkins: But who's gonna regulate it?

[28:05] Paul Matthews: I'm with Shakespeare. In the new world. Let's kill all the lawyers.

[28:13] Tonya Pinkins: It has been such a pleasure speaking with you, Paul. Uh, for me. Anything that you want to say that I didn't ask you that you would want to say to this American theater audience.

[28:22] Paul Matthews: Um, uh, keep on keeping on. I know it's been a very tough 12 months, but but theater will come back, and theater will survive. And oh, just stay strong and do what you can.

[28:34] Tonya Pinkins: Yes. Thank you. My name is Tonya Pinkins, and you're listening to You Can't SAY THAT on the Broadway Podcasts Network. Stay safe, wear a mask, they save lives.

[28:48] Tonya Pinkins: Thanks for listening to You Can't SAY THAT, the show where you can. I'm Tonya Pinkins, and You Can't SAY THAT is part of the Broadway Podcast Network. Produced by Dori Berinstein and Alan Seales, edited by Derek Gunther, with music by Kat Dale.

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[29:59] Paul Matthews: Do you know what the red pill is?

[30:01] Tonya Pinkins: A red pill is someone who infiltrates a group and then destroys them from the inside.

[30:10] Paul Matthews: This place is spooky.

[30:12] Tonya Pinkins: Some people like to live dangerously.

[30:14] Paul Matthews: Yes, why are you so jumpy tonight?

[30:17] Tonya Pinkins: You know what, guys? I'm gonna go back tomorrow.

[30:20] Paul Matthews: Did you hear about the creature woman that attacked a father and son hunting down here?

[30:25] Tonya Pinkins: I don't see the case.

[30:27] Paul Matthews: This place creeps me out.

[30:32] Tonya Pinkins: I think we should call the sheriff's office.

[30:54] Paul Matthews: They're after all of us.

[30:58] Tonya Pinkins: What do we do, Amelia?

[31:00] Paul Matthews: We die.

[31:02] Tonya Pinkins: But we take some of them with us.