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Acting isn't just what you say, it's

how you respond.

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The secret sauce.

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Listening

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today we'll talk about why reacting

truthfully is your most powerful tool

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as an actor.

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Well, hello.

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And who welcomed the gasing actor's

cast?

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So glad that you're here, we're going

to be talking and focusing on one of

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the simplest and most overlooked

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skills an actor can have.

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And that is listening.

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See, here's the thing, too many actors

prepare for auditions by obsessing over

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their own lines, their choices, their

emotional beats.

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But honestly, some of the most powerful

acting happens in the spaces between

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the words.

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Now I've done some episodes quite

recently, as a matter of fact, about

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silences, those beats, those moments.

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And I think that this is a nice

compilation

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of those,

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taking those beats and those moments

and really talking and flipping the

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script on something else.

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And that's the listening cause.

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Real listening leads to real reacting.

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And I tell you, reacting is what

creates performances that feel alive,

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they feel natural and authentic.

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If you can master the art of listening,

you'll unlock a secret superpower that

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sets you apart in every audition and in

every performance.

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Before we jump into this, let's just

say thank you for tuning into casting.

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Actress cast.

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It's a pleasure bringing these podcasts

to you.

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If you haven't done so already, please

do check out the website, casting

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actors cast, all one word dot com.

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You're going to find some really

interesting information there.

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You're going to see some past episodes.

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You're going to see jeff's jots, which

are corresponding show notes to each of

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the episodes.

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Also, there's, my new book is out as

available.

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It's called bookedit.

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And then there's a form that says, dive

into the talent pool.

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When you do that, you feel out that

form, then it opens up some previews

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for you.

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One is a book I wrote on doing voice

over work.

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The other is the gosh it's such,

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it's about auditioning, but it's like

casting secrets what they don't tell you.

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I finally took me a second.

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Remember the title,

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casting secrets what they don't tell

you.

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And that's only if you fill out that

form that is diving to the tallent

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pool, gives me your name and your email

address.

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Listen.

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I don't do anything with that

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again.

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I just want to thank those of you

who've sent me letters and

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correspondents and reviews of the show.

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Gosh.

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You know what that means the world to

me.

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And I'm really excited that this

podcast is continuing to grow the way

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that it is on the Broadway podcast

network.

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And I'm looking forward to many, many

more episodes coming up in the future.

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As long as you let me know that you're

out there listening.

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I will absolutely

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dedicate some time and some effort into

presenting these podcasts for you.

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All right, let's talk about listening.

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When I say listening,

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what I'm really saying is

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reacting.

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Listening is equal to reacting.

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See, acting is not delivering

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lines.

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Listening is a dialogue.

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Your reaction is half the scene's truth.

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When you truly hear your partner,

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the audience sees the story unfold in

real time.

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And that's why presence matters.

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Listening means being fully in the

moment and not just planning your next

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line or the way you're going to react

next, your next expression.

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So here's an example, think of a great

actor in a courtroom drama.

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Or maybe it's a romantic comedy.

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Their best moments

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are often silent reactions.

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So here's a tip

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I want you to drop your agenda

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when you're working on a scene or an

audition,

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trust that the scene will carry you

forward.

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You don't have to be responsible for

everything that takes place in the scene.

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The scene is written.

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What you need to do is simply

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drop

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the hidden agenda that you have in

terms of the way you're going to perform.

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So nonverbal reactions, like body

language, posture, breath, eye contact,

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they all communicate engagement.

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So for example, a moment where you can

look away, a pause before speaking, or

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even a deep breath,

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can be so much more telling than any

line you've given.

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Enjoy the spontaneity of those moments.

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The best auditions I ever see as a

casting director

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is when something spontaneous happens

in the audition.

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Something unplanned,

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something that even the actor maybe

didn't expect.

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They did their homework so much,

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and they know the character so much

it's in them, and so now they have a

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different attitude in the work.

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And that is, let's just see what

happens in this moment

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on camera.

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Those kind of subtle choices often

become the emotional highlight of the scene

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listening.

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I also want to draw your attention to

what I call scene partner focus.

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Make your partner,

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the most important person in the room.

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I'm fond of saying this when I'm

teaching a class.

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And that is,

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the scene is never about you.

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It's about the other person.

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Are they understanding you?

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Why are they reacting this way?

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What can you say to make a difference?

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All of those are things that you're

putting on the other.

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So if you place your attention fully on

them,

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your reactions will always be fresh and

real.

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So here's a bonus tip attached to that.

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This makes them better.

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Too

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generous.

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Listening elevates the entire scene,

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I promise.

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So here's a practiced tool.

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I call this a partner exercise.

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Is that I want you to improvise a short

scene where your only job is to listen,

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and I want you to respond naturally,

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think about recording it.

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And what's going to happen is you're

going to often notice that your most

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truthful acting happens when you forget

your own lines and just simply react to

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what's happening.

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That makes a big deal difference.

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So when working on a script, you have

to chart out the method by which you do

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it.

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I think that there's an important

structure to good listening.

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And that is spending

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more time in the head of the other

character

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when you're first learning the work.

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In other words, it's not about your

words

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really spend time in the head of the

other character.

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That way, when you start your words,

you're going to be able to have a

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better idea about the kinds of

reactions that make the most sense for

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your character in the scene.

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It's almost like a reverse psychology.

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Too many times I see actors wanting to

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digest their scene to the best of their

ability, and they spend very, very

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little time on the other character.

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In fact, many times, I think actors

look at just the cue lines so that they

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know when they come in.

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And why that's a problem is that it's

not helping you be fresh.

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It's not helping you be in the moment.

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But if you have the psychology of what

the other character is dealing with,

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you're literally able to have a

spontaneous reaction,

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because you know what's coming next.

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You're not projecting what's coming

next.

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You're treating it like it's brand new

for you.

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I hope that that makes sense.

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It's a very, very useful skill.

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So we're going to give you the bottom

line.

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We're going to give you a final

conclusion on the best way to listen

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right after this.

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So when we talk about the best way to

listen,

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there's a bottom line I want to share

with you.

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Please know that your greatest tool as

an actor,

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isn't your voice.

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I promise you, it's not just your look,

or even your choices,

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it's your ability to listen.

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Because you know what?

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When you listen, you react.

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And when you react,

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you're alive,

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you're in the moment.

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And that really does count.

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Here's some homework for you.

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I always like giving home work.

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I'm wondering if anybody's really doing

this o work, but if you do, I god bless

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you.

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Because I think this is really helpful

if you put it into action.

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I want you to find a scene this week,

and I want you to perform it with one

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simple goal,

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make your partner more important than

you.

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Make your partner more important than

you.

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In the scene, I want you to record it,

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watch it back, and notice how much more

authentic

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your work becomes when you're not

acting,

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but it's actually responding.

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Remember what I said at the beginning,

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listening

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is responding.

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And the emotional truth that you

discover

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when you're responding

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becomes very, very naturalistic.

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This is especially useful, I think, on

camera

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whether you're doing a film or a

television project,

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that kind of honest connection

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really just goes

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a long, long way.

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I promise you,

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the kind of projects that we're working

at mccorical cassing, we're doing some

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theater, but we're also doing

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three or four film projects as well as

a television series.

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And it's so interesting to me, seeing

those actors that understand their technique

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and be able to kind of flip in and out

whether that actor is doing a theater

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audition or that actor is doing a film

and television audition.

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It's so fascinating to me, because you

can tell instantly that technique that

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the actor has, and you know what

happens at that point.

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That also instills

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a level of confidence.

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And I'm not talking about bravado.

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I'm not talking about egoing out.

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I am talking about the assurance

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that the actor transmits to casting,

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letting us know that they know what

they're doing, they're in full control.

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But there's also something spontaneous

and fun to watch.

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That's amazing.

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I love seeing that.

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And you know, when I was an actor, and

I was an actor for twenty years, I

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didn't fully understand

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that as a technique.

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It took me a long time.

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I got there happily.

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But it just took a while for me to

fully understand that it wasn't about

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me in an audition.

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Making it about the other

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not only relieves you of a lot of

unnecessary stress,

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but it also allows opportunities for

creative beats, creative moments and a

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creative energy

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that literally makes that seem

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pop

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comes alive.

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Gosh, that was good, right?

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This has been a good episode.

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I'm really grateful that you tuned in

and we'll see you next time.

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This is casting actors cast.

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I'm Jeffrey driesback.

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Thank you so much for tuning in.

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And we're going to see you like I said

next.

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I'm saying the same thing over again.

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I've got to stop that anyway.

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Thanks for joining me.

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We'll see you next time.

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I'm casting actress cast.

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Ok, I'm done.

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Wow.

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I need a

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