Actors are constantly told that film acting is "all about the eyes." But what does that really mean? In this episode of Casting Actors Cast, veteran casting director, actor, educator, and author Jeffrey Dreisbach explores one of the most misunderstood concepts in on-camera acting... Read More
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Actors are constantly told that film acting is "all about the eyes." But what does that really mean? In this episode of Casting Actors Cast, veteran casting director, actor, educator, and author Jeffrey Dreisbach explores one of the most misunderstood concepts in on-camera acting.
Discover why the camera isn't actually watching your eyes—it's watching your thoughts. Learn why truthful thinking creates truthful behavior, why listening is one of the greatest acting skills, why the advice "don't blink" misses the point, and how simple eye-awareness exercises can strengthen your on-camera performances.
Whether you're preparing for auditions, self-tapes, or your next film role, this episode will change the way you think about close-up acting forever.
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Have you ever heard someone say film
acting is all about the eyes?
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I certainly have.
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In fact, I've probably heard that
sentence hundreds of times over the years.
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Teachers say it, actors repeated
directors mention it.
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Casting directors occasionally say it.
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And every time I hear it, I quietly
think
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that's only half the story,
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because your eyes don't act.
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Your brain does.
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The eyes simply reveal what the brain
is doing.
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So let's think about that for just a
moment.
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Imagine meeting someone for the very
first time.
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You shake hands.
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They tell you their name
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without realizing it.
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Your eyes aren't doing their work.
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Your mind is
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you're recognizing,
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observing, evaluating, wondering,
listening,
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making sense of another human being.
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Your eyes simply allow us to witness
that process.
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That's what the camera photographs,
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not your eyes
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you're thinking.
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I think we've misunderstood this for
years.
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When someone says the actor has
incredibly expressive eyes,
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what they usually are responding to
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is thought,
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they're seeing a mind at work.
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They're watching someone receive
information,
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process it and allow that thinking to
change them.
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Well, that's why great film acting
feels so alive.
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Not because someone's eyes are
beautiful,
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because they're connected.
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This is casting actor's gasp.
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Well, hello, and welcome to today's
episode of casting actors cast.
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I'm Jeff drysbach.
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I'm a casting director with mccorkl
casting in New York.
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How are you hope you're having a good
day?
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Yeah, we're going to talk about the
eyes today, the Windows to the zoal,
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because I think it's worth exploring,
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because there are so many times when we
are confused by what the camera is
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actually seeing
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when we're acting.
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And so I hope that this
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little area of interest is something
that will help you
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down the line, whether you're doing a
self taper, whether you're onset.
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But first, this is that moment of the
conversation where I get to say, thank
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you so much for tuning in to casting
actor's cast.
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Please check out the website, casting
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All one word, dot com there's a form
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If you do that it's going to open up a
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I'm doing voice over work.
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The other is a free video.
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What they don't tell you it's a twenty
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And I think you'll find it very, very
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Also, on the website, you're going to
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corresponding show notes in the form of
a blog that you'll see on that website
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as well.
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All of this is an attempt to help you
feel more confident and more prepared
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for the acting industry.
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So hearing information from a working
casting director, hopefully
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will help you stay inspired and
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Thank you so much.
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All right, let's jump into this.
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Shall we?
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One of the remarkable things I think
about the camera
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is that it sees something.
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The stage never can.
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It sees thinking.
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You see, the theater asked actors to
communicate to the back row.
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Film asks actors to communicate to one
lens
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sometimes only inches away.
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That camera isn't waiting for you to
show an emotion.
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It's waiting to see whether something
is actually happening.
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Now that's an enormous distinction.
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Actors sometimes ask me, what should my
face be doing?
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My answer is usually nothing.
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Think receive,
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allow yourself to be changed by what
you've heard.
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Your face will take care of itself.
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Your eyes will take care of themselves.
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Behaviour follows thought
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not the other way around.
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Make sense.
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I've had the privilege of watching
thousands and thousands of auditions,
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and after a while, I have to say, you
begin to notice patterns.
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One pattern appears again and again.
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And some actors are trying to look
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emotional.
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Other actors are simply thinking.
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The difference is unmistakable.
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One actor is presenting emotion,
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the other is experiencing a moment.
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The camera always knows it's remarkably
honest.
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It cannot be fooled.
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It doesn't reward effort.
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It rewards.
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Truth and truth almost always begins
with receiving information.
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Here's something fascinating.
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The eyes don't create behavior.
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They reveal behavior.
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Think about your own day.
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Someone gives you wonderful news
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before you say a word.
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Something changes.
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Someone disappoints you before you
respond,
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something changes.
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Someone tells you a secret before you
speak,
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something changes.
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Those tiny moments are incredibly
interesting.
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They're also incredibly human.
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And that's exactly
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what the camera loves.
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Not performance.
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Reaction.
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I've often said class acting isn't
about showing the audience what you're
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feeling.
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It's about allowing the audience to
witness what you are discovering.
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There's a world of difference there.
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Discovery happens in real time.
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Pretending happens in advance.
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That's why discovery always feels alive.
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So let's explore another misconception.
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I think actors sometimes become
fascinated with eye contact, as though
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maintaining eye contact automatically
creates intensity.
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Oh, not necessarily
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real humanity.
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Human beings don't stare continuously.
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Sometimes they look away,
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sometimes they search for words,
sometimes they remember something,
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sometimes they avoid another person's
eyes.
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Altogether,
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those behaviors aren't mistakes.
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They're information
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where someone looks often tells us what
they're thinking.
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That's why I.
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Behavior is so very interesting.
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I think not because it's choreographed,
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because it's motivated.
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So I'd like you to try a little
experiment.
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I want you to think about someone that
you love very deeply.
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Ok?
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Someone you love very deeply,
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you have it.
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Now I don't say anything.
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Just think.
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Notice what happened.
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Now think about someone who
disappointed you
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again.
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Don't perform simply.
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Remember,
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do your eyes change?
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Do you consciously move them?
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Probably not.
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Your thoughts change your eyes followed.
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That's exactly how human beings work.
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And that's exactly what film acting
asks us
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to trust.
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Now, one of the most common notes I
give actors is surprisingly simple.
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Stop trying to look interesting.
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Now I know that sounds kind of strange,
but the moment we begin trying to
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manufacture an interesting face, we've
stopped paying attention to the other person.
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We've become self conscious.
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The camera immediately notices that the
audience has noticed that too.
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Maybe not consciously.
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They feel it
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because we've shifted our attention
away from the moment
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and back onto ourselves.
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Trust.
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Disappears.
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The instant self consciousness becomes
the scene.
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Partner.
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Okay.
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Somebody write that down that was
really good.
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Let's continue.
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Perhaps film acting has never been
about expressive eyes.
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Really.
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Perhaps it's always been about
expressive thinking.
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And once that thinking becomes honest,
eyes quietly do what they've always done,
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they tell the truth.
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There's something else I'd like you to
consider.
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The eyes don't just reveal emotion,
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they reveal attention.
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And attention is one of the most
overlooked skills in acting.
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I want you to think about two people
having a conversation.
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One person is speaking, the other is
listening,
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at least
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that's what it looks like.
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But are they really listening,
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or are they simply waiting for their
turn to talk?
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There's a tremendous difference.
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I've seen it all the time.
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And we've all had that experience of
speaking with someone and realizing
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half way through the conversation,
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they aren't really with us.
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Their eyes may be looking at us, but
their attention is somewhere else.
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They're rehearsing their response,
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thinking about themselves,
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planning what they'll say next.
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We've all felt that, and we've all
recognized it instantly, right?
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You see, the camera recognizes it too.
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Attention
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has a look,
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so does distraction.
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I've often said something in class that
surprises, actors.
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Listening is visible,
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not because your face changes,
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because your thinking changes.
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Real listening is active.
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You're receiving, comparing,
questioning, agreeing, disagreeing,
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wondering, remembering,
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actually just processing.
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All of that happens before you speak.
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These silent moments are often the most
compelling moments in the scene.
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One of my favorite close ups in film.
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Isn't someone delivering a brilliant
speech?
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It's someone hearing something that
changes them?
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Think about your favorite films.
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Some of the greatest performances
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contain very few words.
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Yet you can't stop watching.
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Why?
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Because thought is unfolding
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right in front of you.
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The camera loves discovery.
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It loves uncertainty.
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It loves the moment
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before someone knows what to do.
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That's real life.
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And audiences recognize it immediately.
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Now I need to talk about something very
practical.
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One of the exercises I teach often
surprises actors.
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It sounds almost too simple.
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I ask them to move only their eyes,
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up,
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down, left, right,
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upright,
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center,
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up left, center,
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all without moving the head.
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That's interesting, very simple,
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but it feels awkward.
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It feels almost just too mechanical.
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But something fascinating begins to
happen.
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Actors discover their eyes have been
riding along with their heads for
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years.
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They never develop independence.
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The eyes being separate from where your
head is,
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suddenly their visual awareness expands.
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Their eyes become more responsive, more
available,
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more curious.
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Not because they're acting differently,
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because they're observing
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differently.
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The exercise isn't really about eye
muscles.
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Honestly, it's about awareness.
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The more independent your eyes become,
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the more freedom you have to receive
information
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naturally.
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And freedom always photographs
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better than control.
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I've also noticed something else.
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Actors sometimes move their heads only
when their thoughts
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have changed.
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It's kind of weird.
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If you think about it,
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a thought doesn't always require a
physical adjustment.
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Sometimes the smallest shift is enough.
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Film acting lives.
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In those tiny adjustments,
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the camera doesn't need you to
underline every thought.
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It simply needs access to it.
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Now I want to address one of the
strangest pieces of acting advice I've
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heard in recent years.
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Apparently some actors are being taught
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not to blink.
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I'm serious.
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The idea is, if you don't blink, you'll
stay connected, you'll appear more intense,
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you'll never lose focus.
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I would like to respectfully disagree.
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Actually, I'd like to strongly
disagree.
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Human beings blink.
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We blink when we think.
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We blink when we listen.
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We blink when we're frightened.
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We blink when we're tired.
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The blink
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is there
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because we're human
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here's the problem.
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The moment an actor starts thinking
don't blink,
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they're no longer acting.
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They're managing a biological function.
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They're paying attention to the wrong
thing.
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Their concentration has shifted, not
toward the other person, not toward the story,
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toward themselves.
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We've already talked about that
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self consciousness is the enemy of
truthful behavior.
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Trying not to blink
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is one more way of becoming self
conscious.
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Ironically, the actor who appears not
to blink during an intense scene, they
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aren't trying to not blink.
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They're simply so engaged,
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what they're experiencing,
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that blinking naturally just becomes
less frequent.
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It's a natural extension of what's
taking place.
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Now that's very different,
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but teaching someone to never blink
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listen.
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One is the result, the other is the
technique.
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Never confuse the result with the cause
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here's another misunderstanding.
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And I'd like to clear up,
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stillness
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is not staring
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those two things are worlds apart.
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Stillness is alive,
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thoughtful, responsive.
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Staring
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is frozen.
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Nothing is changing, nothing is
arriving.
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Nothing is being processed.
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The camera knows the difference.
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Immediately.
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Stillness contains movement,
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not physical movement, mental movement
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that's what we're watching.
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Now I'd like to give you another
exercise.
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This one is incredibly revealing.
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Watch one of your favorite films
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with the sound turned off.
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No dialogue,
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no music, no sound effects.
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Just watch the close ups.
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Ask yourself,
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when did they understand something?
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When did they change their mind?
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When did hope appear?
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When did disappointment arrive?
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You'll begin to notice something
remarkable.
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You can often follow the entire story
without hearing a single word.
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That's the power of truthful thinking.
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Now here's another exercise I'd
encourage you to try
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record yourself in a close up.
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Don't perform, don't memorize, don't
create emotion.
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Simply read a page from a novel.
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Silently
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allow yourself to imagine it,
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think it, picture it,
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then
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watch the recording on.
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Play back.
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Yeah, you may be surprised.
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You may discover there's far more
happening than you realize,
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or
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far less.
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Either way, you've learned something
valuable.
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The camera is an extraordinary teacher.
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If we're willing to watch ourselves
honestly,
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that's what's extraordinary.
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So here's another thought I'd like to
share with you.
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The audience isn't watching whether
your eyes move correctly.
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They're not.
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They're watching whether your thoughts
are alive.
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Everything else is simply a reflection
of that truth.
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We're going to have more right after
this.
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Welcome back,
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talking about the eyes, the Windows to
the soul.
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And there's one more idea I'd like to
explore with you before we finish to
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day.
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We've all heard people describe certain
actors the same way
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they have beautiful eyes.
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Have you heard that?
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What maybe they do?
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Maybe someone said that about you.
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And some people are naturally blessed
with those striking features.
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Bright eyes,
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dark eyes,
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kind eyes, intense eyes.
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I've often told actors,
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when they have that physical attribute,
that they should thank their parents,
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because, honestly there's nothing wrong
with noticing beauty.
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But I have to say, I've also watched
performances where someone had
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extraordinary eyes, and yet I wasn't
moved
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why.
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Because beautiful eyes don't
automatically
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reveal beautiful thinking.
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The audience isn't responding to
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color or shape or eyelashes.
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They're responding to life.
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They're responding to curiosity.
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They're responding to intelligence.
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They're responding to a human being,
thinking,
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changing, discovering, moment by
moment.
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That's what makes eyes unforgettable,
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not their appearance.
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They're honesty.
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Now, I've learned something over the
years that still fascinates me, in some
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of the greatest close ups in film
history, aren't emotional Scenes
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at all.
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They're listening Scenes.
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Think about that.
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No speeches, no tears, no dramatic
gestures.
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Someone is simply listening,
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receiving,
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trying to understand, trying to decide,
trying to forgive, trying to believe,
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trying to hide
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something.
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Those moments can be mesmerizing.
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Because listening is never passive.
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Listening is active.
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Listening changes us.
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Every sentence another person speaks
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creates a new thought for you.
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Every new thought creates a new behavior
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for you.
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That's why listening actors
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are the most interesting actors.
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I have to say,
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let me talk about a casting room
observation.
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One of the very first things I noticed
during an audition, isn't whether an
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actor has expressive eyes,
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it's if I believe they've actually
received
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what the other character just said,
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did it?
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Land
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00:20:58,658 --> 00:20:59,526
didn't matter.
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Did it change them?
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Sometimes the most truthful acting
happens
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between the lines.
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The audience doesn't need another
expression.
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No, they need another thought.
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00:21:15,141 --> 00:21:17,77
Now there's a wonderful saying in
acting.
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I really love this.
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Don't play the result.
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00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:24,150
Now, I would like to borrow that idea,
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don't play your eyes.
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Play the thought.
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Your eyes already know what to do.
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I think actors occasionally become
fascinated with controlling themselves.
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00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:40,633
You know, the control thing is very,
very important.
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00:21:41,67 --> 00:21:45,472
Controlling your breathing, control
your gestures, control your blinking,
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control your eyes, control your voice.
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Listen eventually.
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You're controlling so much
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there isn't much room left for living.
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I've never believed acting was about
control.
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I think it's always about preparation,
followed by permission,
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permission to receive, permission to
imagine, permission to listen,
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permission to be surprised,
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permission to change.
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When those things happen, the camera
records something wonderful,
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a human being.
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00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:26,546
Now let me offer a practical challenge
for this week.
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I want you to watch three Scenes
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from three different films.
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Turn the sound off, choose actors you
admire.
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Don't ask, what are they doing with
their eyes.
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Ask, what are they thinking?
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Watch carefully, see if you can
identify the exact moment their understanding
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changes.
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The exact moment they decide something.
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The exact moment, hope disappears or
returns.
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You'll begin noticing that thought was
rhythm.
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Thought has direction.
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Thought has weight.
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And remarkably,
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00:23:02,515 --> 00:23:03,850
you can often see
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all of it without hearing a single word.
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Isn't that interesting?
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So let me give you another challenge.
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Ask a friend to read with you.
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Don't worry about the performance.
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Don't worry about emotion.
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Don't even worry about memorization.
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Simply listen.
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Make one commitment.
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Every line your partner speaks
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must genuinely
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affect your next thought.
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Nothing more, nothing less.
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And you'll discover something
fascinating.
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Your performance begins becoming less
predictable
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because your partner is changing you,
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just as people do in real life.
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00:23:47,293 --> 00:23:50,196
And there's another misconception I'd
like to leave behind to day.
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Actors often ask, how do I become more
cinematic?
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00:23:54,501 --> 00:23:56,169
And I think that's an interesting
question.
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I don't think the answer is smaller
acting.
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00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:04,477
I think the answer is clearer thinking.
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00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:07,881
Because the camera doesn't magnify
performance.
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00:24:08,581 --> 00:24:09,716
It magnifies truth.
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00:24:10,16 --> 00:24:13,453
And truth begins long before emotion
appears.
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Truth begins with attention.
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00:24:18,91 --> 00:24:19,793
So here's your reset this week?
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Stop asking yourself, what are my eyes
doing?
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00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,66
Instead, ask, what am I thinking?
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What have I just learned?
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00:24:28,101 --> 00:24:29,269
What surprised me?
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00:24:29,936 --> 00:24:31,671
What do I want now?
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00:24:32,339 --> 00:24:33,907
What just changed?
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If those questions are alive, your eyes
will already be telling me the story.
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Without your help.
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I'd like to leave you with one final
thought.
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The camera has no imagination.
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00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:49,589
It doesn't invent, it doesn't assume,
it doesn't
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00:24:51,291 --> 00:24:52,25
do any of those.
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00:24:52,92 --> 00:24:54,561
It simply records what's there.
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00:24:55,628 --> 00:24:57,630
That's why film acting feels so
personal.
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00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:00,633
The camera quietly asks one question,
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00:25:01,301 --> 00:25:02,402
are you really here?
531
00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:04,304
Not?
532
00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:06,239
Are you emotional?
533
00:25:07,73 --> 00:25:07,240
Not?
534
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,808
Are you interesting?
535
00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:10,410
Simply,
536
00:25:11,77 --> 00:25:12,145
are you present?
537
00:25:13,213 --> 00:25:14,180
When the answer is yes.
538
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,450
The audience feels it every single time.
539
00:25:18,985 --> 00:25:22,889
So the next time someone tells you,
film acting is all about the eyes.
540
00:25:23,223 --> 00:25:24,758
I hope you're going to quietly smile.
541
00:25:25,58 --> 00:25:27,694
Because now you know something more
important.
542
00:25:28,428 --> 00:25:31,364
The eyes have never been the star of
the performance.
543
00:25:31,865 --> 00:25:33,933
They've simply been the window.
544
00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,103
The real performance has always been
happening
545
00:25:37,771 --> 00:25:39,39
just behind them.
546
00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:43,543
Thank you so much for this time.
547
00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:44,844
Spent with me to day.
548
00:25:45,378 --> 00:25:49,149
If your episode helped you think
differently about film acting, I would
549
00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:51,851
love for you to share it with another
actor,
550
00:25:52,652 --> 00:25:58,224
because I have a feeling many actors
have spent years worrying about their eyes
551
00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:01,594
when they should have been trusting
their thoughts.
552
00:26:02,328 --> 00:26:03,296
I'm Jeff dries back.
553
00:26:03,463 --> 00:26:04,431
Thank you for listening to casting.
554
00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:06,666
Actors cast until next time.
555
00:26:06,833 --> 00:26:07,834
Stay curious.
556
00:26:08,268 --> 00:26:08,902
Trust your preparation.
557
00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,204
Listen deeply,
558
00:26:11,471 --> 00:26:14,741
think truthfully and keep telling
stories that matter.
559
00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:17,610
Because the camera isn't waiting for
expressive eyes,
560
00:26:18,278 --> 00:26:19,45
it's waiting
561
00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:20,347
for an expressive
562
00:26:21,381 --> 00:26:22,82
mind.
563
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:23,316
Ok?
564
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:24,250
Somebody made that down?
565
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:25,85
That was really good.
566
00:26:25,385 --> 00:26:26,386
Have a great day.
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