This transcript was automatically generated and might contain errors.

[0:00] Peggy: Greetings, it's Peggy.

[0:02] Peggy: We are Ellen and Ellen.

[0:04] Peggy: That's all you have to say.

[0:06] Peggy: Greetings, it's Peggy and Ellen.

[0:09] Ellyn Marie Marsh: Thank you.

[0:11] Peggy: Like, I mean, probably someone else had her name, and so she had to put Marie Marsh. It was very trendy maybe 30 years ago to have three names.

[0:18] Ellyn Marie Marsh: A lot of people still do.

[0:19] Peggy: And that's when Ellen came to the business. Today our guest is...

[0:24] Ellyn Marie Marsh: The reason I added my middle name.

[0:27] Peggy: Oh my god, I can't wait to hear this gem. Because listen to this.

[0:31] Peggy: When I first moved to New York, a lot of people care.

[0:34] Ellyn Marie Marsh: What?

[0:35] Peggy: What did you say?

[0:36] Ellyn Marie Marsh: No, a lot of people really care.

[0:38] Peggy: Are they gonna fast forward?

[0:39] Ellyn Marie Marsh: Well, I won't say that.

[0:41] Peggy: Go take your pee break.

[0:44] Peggy: They just got on the train. They're just listening to this.

[0:47] Ellyn Marie Marsh: Well, pee in your pants.

[0:48] Peggy: She's here with me, and we are so excited because we're about to talk to Eden Espinosa.

[0:55] Peggy: Eden Espinosa! She's I love her. What a dish. She is so beautiful. She can really sing. She's been in so many iconic things like Wicked, Rent, Brooklyn, other stuff. And um, I can't wait to find out who her least favorite Glenda was.

[1:11] Ellyn Marie Marsh: Yeah.

[1:12] Peggy: You like asking that question. She was on our alphabet episode.

[1:15] Ellyn Marie Marsh: She was wonderful.

[1:16] Peggy: She was very, very fangirl of me.

[1:19] Ellyn Marie Marsh: I don't think anyone's a fangirl.

[1:21] Peggy: I think mostly people want to talk to you.

[1:23] Ellyn Marie Marsh: She loves my style. She loves my ways.

[1:26] Peggy: No, I think they just really love the truth. And they just want to get ahead of it. And I think that's why people come on Facebook. People love to hear the truth. People don't really like somebody that's just not.

[1:37] Ellyn Marie Marsh: It's a similar emotion and a similar feeling.

[1:40] Peggy: And that's why you're here. So thanks for being here because I have no choice because you have way too much care.

[1:45] Ellyn Marie Marsh: Because you know where the bodies are buried.

[1:46] Peggy: Yeah. Well, today we are talking to Edith Espinoza. Okay, so enjoy. We'll find out if she's ever gonna work again. Get in Peggy with it.

[2:01] Peggy: Greetings! Hello, everybody. It's Peggy. And you are listening to Get in Peggy with it. Today, my guest is so beautiful, so glamorous. She's of the older generation of Broadway stars. She was in Wicked like 30 years ago. She was alpha butt and she hasn't done that much, but I'm sure she'll talk about it and be so grateful today. This is Eden Espinosa.

[2:24] Eden Espinosa: What is up?

[2:26] Peggy: Pegs? Can I call you Pegs?

[2:28] Eden Espinosa: Sure.

[2:28] Peggy: Okay. Yeah, no one else can though.

[2:30] Eden Espinosa: Okay, great.

[2:30] Peggy: Okay. It's just my special nickname for you. Because this is our second time together.

[2:34] Eden Espinosa: It is our second time together.

[2:35] Peggy: Yeah. Last time we were together, we were talking about alphabet.

[2:39] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[2:39] Peggy: Which I guess is all you have a conversation.

[2:41] Eden Espinosa: But that's all you ever want to talk to me about.

[2:42] Peggy: Yeah. Well do you think we can like maybe branch out into other other things today?

[2:46] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, I heard my lackey do some reconnaissance and come up with a few other topics, but it was hard for her.

[2:52] Eden Espinosa: I might want to have a threesome with her.

[2:54] Peggy: Whoa!

[2:56] Eden Espinosa: You know what? I can put it in a good word.

[2:57] Peggy: I mean Ellyn Marie Marsh.

[2:59] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[2:59] Peggy: She's a lot.

[3:00] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[3:00] Peggy: Okay. If you are interested in a lot, then she's your gal.

[3:04] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[3:04] Peggy: But I'll be sharing that. I'll be sharing it with somebody else.

[3:07] Eden Espinosa: But even then, she'll be telling you what to do. She'll be running around doing trivia, like doing 800 sketches during the threesome. So just prepare.

[3:13] Eden Espinosa: If I'm down for that, then if you're down for that, it's very like a clown car.

[3:18] Peggy: I see.

[3:19] Eden Espinosa: It's actually. And I'm literally right here.

[3:22] Peggy: Oh, hey! For those of you that are listening and not watching, Eden is just so beautiful. She looks like a French model with a red lip and a beret and perfect skin and white teeth. And you guys, it's goals, okay?

[3:37] Eden Espinosa: I mean.

[3:37] Peggy: Not everybody can just get up every day and struggle through the town and still look good doing it.

[3:41] Eden Espinosa: Pile on the nice because pretty soon it's gonna make a left turn.

[3:45] Peggy: Enjoy it while it's here.

[3:46] Eden Espinosa: I'm trying to.

[3:47] Peggy: So Eden, what is up?

[3:49] Eden Espinosa: So even though we talked about Alphaba at length, some people may not have heard it. So tell us about Wicked.

[3:55] Eden Espinosa: What do you want to know?

[3:56] Peggy: Like you were in the original company, I said Alphaba. 30 years ago.

[4:00] Eden Espinosa: 30 years ago. I know.

[4:01] Peggy: I know. It's been around for a while.

[4:02] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[4:03] Peggy: I know. Can we can we place that up?

[4:05] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, the original co.

[4:06] Peggy: I wasn't the original co.

[4:08] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, you were the standby for Alphaba?

[4:09] Peggy: Oh co. Is that a thing? Do you sometimes wish someone would mispronounce your name so you could become famous?

[4:14] Eden Espinosa: I mean, if only.

[4:15] Peggy: Yeah.

[4:16] Eden Espinosa: If only that was just slipping in the mud and falling into a vat of gold chips.

[4:20] Peggy: I mean.

[4:21] Eden Espinosa: Fall into the toilet, come out smelling like a rose. That's what's going on. The only thing that happens to me is they misspell my last name with a Z instead of an S.

[4:29] Peggy: Yeah, but it's no sad. It doesn't really do anything for me.

[4:32] Eden Espinosa: Do you try to play up the ethnic thing?

[4:35] Peggy: Um I don't know.

[4:37] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, we'll talk about it later.

[4:38] Peggy: Okay. So you stood by. So you're talking about it.

[4:41] Eden Espinosa: Yes, I was the original standby.

[4:42] Peggy: You were paid to just sit around.

[4:44] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[4:44] Peggy: Wow. Pretty good gig.

[4:46] Eden Espinosa: That's a great gig.

[4:47] Peggy: Yeah. Everybody bitches about it, and then when it's gone, it's gone and they're sad.

[4:51] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. I mean, I was getting a paycheck to stand by.

[4:54] Eden Espinosa: Or sit around. But you know, unfortunately, nobody cares about standbys or understudies or ensembles.

[4:59] Peggy: That's true. Um, so you finally took over the role.

[5:02] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[5:03] Peggy: How long were you doing that?

[5:05] Eden Espinosa: Um, I did it on and off for seven years.

[5:07] Peggy: Whoa.

[5:08] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[5:09] Peggy: Before it just said took you down.

[5:12] Eden Espinosa: Before your spirit.

[5:14] Peggy: Before my spirit died a little bit.

[5:15] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, before your spirit died.

[5:16] Peggy: Yeah. That's what it does. Before it took it out of me.

[5:19] Eden Espinosa: Why haven't you been in Alphaba?

[5:21] Peggy: Mmm.

[5:22] Eden Espinosa: No, not right for me.

[5:23] Peggy: I would love to be Chistery. You know that's my favorite one.

[5:25] Eden Espinosa: Oh, yeah. I would love to be that.

[5:27] Peggy: You have to have talent.

[5:27] Eden Espinosa: I mean, at the bottom of it, you have to be talented.

[5:30] Peggy: Chistery, it seems like anybody can do that. Or Bach or I mean, any of these roles, they should do gender swap because these rules don't matter.

[5:37] Eden Espinosa: So might as well give them to more. They're way more women waiting in line to get jobs.

[5:41] Peggy: True.

[5:41] Eden Espinosa: Just make all you know, everybody's in weird makeup anyway.

[5:45] Peggy: Yeah. You know, it doesn't really matter. And Fiero, who cares?

[5:48] Eden Espinosa: He's gay, right?

[5:49] Peggy: Pretty much.

[5:50] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, and he wears like a spandex.

[5:52] Peggy: Except for Norbert. They've all been gay.

[5:54] Eden Espinosa: Oh, Berbert, he's streamy. That was also like 40 years ago.

[5:57] Peggy: Yeah. All right, let's go back in time, okay? Even before Wicked.

[6:01] Peggy: When we first saw Eden Espinosa, she broke onto the scene in Brooklyn the Musical. If you were a teen in 1998, you saw it and you never forgot it. Tell us about it.

[6:15] Eden Espinosa: Um, Brooklyn Musical.

[6:17] Eden Espinosa: I know. Well, it's you can't stream it anymore because it's been taken off of all streaming sites.

[6:22] Peggy: That's very smart. Create mystery, aura, and mystique.

[6:25] Eden Espinosa: Or nobody cares.

[6:26] Peggy: Or nobody cares.

[6:30] Eden Espinosa: Okay. Tell us about Brooklyn and Frozen.

[6:33] Peggy: People are like, I'm on for grandpa.

[6:35] Eden Espinosa: Nobody cares.

[6:36] Peggy: Who's the grandpa?

[6:39] Eden Espinosa: Just like the dad or something.

[6:41] Peggy: I don't know. I don't seen it.

[6:43] Eden Espinosa: Have you seen previously?

[6:44] Peggy: There we go. So I like that they added new songs like anybody cares.

[6:49] Eden Espinosa: We changed. Please come see us.

[6:52] Peggy: Alright, tell us about Brooklyn.

[6:53] Eden Espinosa: Brooklyn was.

[6:54] Peggy: Was it about hipsters making pickles?

[6:57] Eden Espinosa: No, but it should have. We might still be running if that's what it was about.

[7:00] Eden Espinosa: I envision Brooklyn the musical as, you know, everybody's on the street and they're doing graffiti and they're wearing suspenders and they have beards.

[7:10] Peggy: That's partially correct.

[7:12] Eden Espinosa: Oh, it is. But except we were like...

[7:14] Peggy: Were you homeless?

[7:14] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[7:15] Peggy: Oh.

[7:17] Eden Espinosa: Oh. Titular Rose.

[7:15] Eden Espinosa: Well, name. My name was Brooklyn.

[7:20] Peggy: That's a good idea.

[7:21] Eden Espinosa: Titular robes. That's what it's called.

[7:24] Peggy: Yeah.

[7:24] Eden Espinosa: Alright. Yeah. Uh five-person show. We were like a homeless like troop of street performers.

[7:31] Peggy: Like God's mill.

[7:32] Eden Espinosa: I bet. Only God. I mean, you you know a little bit of homeless.

[7:36] Peggy: Oh.

[7:37] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[7:37] Peggy: What? Aren't you friends with Morgan James or no?

[7:41] Eden Espinosa: No.

[7:44] Peggy: No.

[7:45] Eden Espinosa: She's around. I guess.

[7:45] Peggy: She's insufferable.

[7:47] Eden Espinosa: She also doesn't work anymore, so I wouldn't have her on. I'll say that.

[7:50] Peggy: Okay. Um, so yeah, Brooklyn was like a lot of high belting. A lot of graffiti, a lot of trash.

[7:58] Eden Espinosa: I saw you through that. You were just a sensation.

[8:00] Peggy: I okay.

[8:02] Eden Espinosa: Right?

[8:02] Peggy: Sure.

[8:03] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. What was that experience like? Did you think you were gonna get a Tony?

[8:07] Eden Espinosa: Um, I think people told me I was going to, so that happens.

[8:12] Peggy: You can't believe everything you hear.

[8:13] Eden Espinosa: You really can't.

[8:15] Peggy: Was that your Broadway debut?

[8:16] Eden Espinosa: No, my Broadway debut is Wicked, actually.

[8:18] Peggy: Oh, and Brooklyn.

[8:20] Eden Espinosa: Uh yes, it was the standby before Brooklyn.

[8:23] Peggy: But then you did Rent and you closed it. That must feel horrible.

[8:27] Eden Espinosa: I know that you did that. I know.

[8:28] Peggy: They were like Eden Espinosa joining the cast. We're closing.

[8:31] Eden Espinosa: We're closing.

[8:32] Peggy: Yeah, after running for so long.

[8:35] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[8:36] Peggy: 12 years.

[8:36] Eden Espinosa: Wow.

[8:37] Peggy: And you played Maureen in the closing cast.

[8:41] Eden Espinosa: A brent.

[8:42] Peggy: I did. How long were you in Brooklyn?

[8:45] Eden Espinosa: I think we ran about nine months.

[8:47] Peggy: Which is how long it takes to get to Brooklyn. Now that the L train is closed.

[8:53] Eden Espinosa: That was funny.

[8:56] Peggy: That was funny, Peggy.

[8:58] Eden Espinosa: Thank you.

[9:00] Peggy: Um to please. Did you write that ahead of time or just your spontaneous wit?

[9:03] Eden Espinosa: I don't write anything ahead of time. My lucky does.

[9:04] Peggy: I really like the dress. Spin, spin, spin, spin. I'm like a DJ of thoughts.

[9:09] Eden Espinosa: Alright. Let's go back to Rent, okay?

[9:11] Peggy: Rent is so iconic, okay? You were in Rent for how long?

[9:14] Eden Espinosa: For three months, four months.

[9:17] Peggy: Close it down after three months.

[9:18] Eden Espinosa: Right.

[9:19] Peggy: Um, so it's an institution, you know?

[9:21] Eden Espinosa: Sure.

[9:21] Peggy: Were you a lot of people's favorite Maureen?

[9:24] Eden Espinosa: I don't yeah, sure. I'm sure.

[9:26] Peggy: Did you get fan mail?

[9:28] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, I did.

[9:29] Peggy: Did you get hate mail?

[9:30] Eden Espinosa: No hate mail.

[9:31] Peggy: No hate mail.

[9:32] Eden Espinosa: No hate mail.

[9:32] Peggy: Maybe they filtered it out.

[9:33] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[9:34] Peggy: Somebody was looking out for you.

[9:36] Eden Espinosa: Maybe you were they started blocking your mail from you.

[9:40] Peggy: Were you on Rent Live? That would have been a great opportunity for you.

[9:42] Eden Espinosa: I was not on Rent Live, but they filmed our version of Rent.

[9:45] Peggy: They did as well.

[9:46] Eden Espinosa: Yes.

[9:47] Peggy: So you can people out there can watch your version of Rent?

[9:50] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[9:51] Peggy: Great.

[9:51] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[9:52] Peggy: This is wonderful. You know, the younger generation really needs to watch people from that other era who actually, you know, know how to do it and aren't as entitled.

[10:00] Eden Espinosa: Something we were touching upon earlier.

[10:01] Peggy: We were. You know what Eden did recently that's really exciting? Is she was in a concert staged version of Joseph in the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. She was one of like seven narrators, so I don't know how much of an honor it is, but it's basically just an ensemble of narrators.

[10:18] Eden Espinosa: But she was one of them, you know?

[10:19] Peggy: Yeah, I mean, you know, I was the oldest one.

[10:21] Eden Espinosa: They threw you a bone.

[10:22] Peggy: I was like, You were the oldest one?

[10:23] Eden Espinosa: I was, you didn't look it.

[10:24] Peggy: Grandpa narrator.

[10:25] Eden Espinosa: You were grandpa narrator.

[10:26] Peggy: Yeah.

[10:27] Eden Espinosa: Nobody cares.

[10:27] Peggy: I'm getting ready for my Star Turn in Frozen.

[10:29] Eden Espinosa: So that's wonderful.

[10:31] Peggy: Yeah.

[10:31] Eden Espinosa: Oh gosh. You know, you have to take what you can get.

[10:33] Peggy: That's what I'm saying.

[10:34] Eden Espinosa: I'm grateful.

[10:35] Peggy: Yeah, you do because there's gonna be a hole in your resume and in your career where you played youngins, you played, you know, hipsters, and then what?

[10:35] Eden Espinosa: You know?

[10:44] Peggy: Then you play like a gay guy's wife, and then what?

[10:47] Eden Espinosa: You know what I mean?

[10:48] Peggy: And then you just have a you gotta wait till the moms rolls.

[10:51] Eden Espinosa: Yes, and then grandpa's and that's where we're at.

[10:54] Peggy: Yeah, yeah. So, you know, along that in those holes, you've got to have other things to do.

[10:59] Eden Espinosa: Okay, back to the Joseph concert.

[11:01] Peggy: I really want to ask you something. How did you memorize all those colors?

[11:02] Eden Espinosa: Well, you only had to do two because there were seven of you.

[11:07] Peggy: Right.

[11:07] Eden Espinosa: That is true.

[11:08] Peggy: I s I had to.

[11:11] Eden Espinosa: And then someone else took over.

[11:12] Peggy: Yeah, puce isn't one of them.

[11:14] Eden Espinosa: It should be.

[11:14] Peggy: I know it should because it's a good color.

[11:16] Eden Espinosa: Chartreuse is ochre.

[11:18] Peggy: Oh I had oldie got ochre.

[11:21] Eden Espinosa: Mauve, but then they made us say mauve, which I'm like, who says mauve?

[11:25] Peggy: Nobody says mauve.

[11:26] Eden Espinosa: Young people.

[11:28] Peggy: See.

[11:28] Eden Espinosa: Was it a young gay?

[11:30] Peggy: Not a young gay.

[11:34] Eden Espinosa: You don't know who else should say mauve.

[11:36] Peggy: Uh well, we got to hold binders.

[11:38] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, but you can't do it.

[11:39] Peggy: But I but no, but I I memorized it because we had choreography.

[11:39] Eden Espinosa: Because we had choreography.

[11:44] Peggy: City center on course, okay?

[11:46] Eden Espinosa: We're gonna go deep, right?

[11:47] Peggy: Let's do it.

[11:47] Eden Espinosa: Let's dig in.

[11:48] Peggy: It used to be City Center on cars.

[11:49] Eden Espinosa: We do something that no one's done in 27,000 years, and we bring it back, and it's a novelty.

[11:54] Peggy: We do it for a week.

[11:55] Eden Espinosa: You don't have to memorize anything.

[11:56] Peggy: We know you're busy.

[11:57] Eden Espinosa: Come and do a reading.

[11:58] Peggy: And now it's fully staged versions of shows that were just here.

[12:03] Eden Espinosa: That face you just made was amazing.

[12:06] Peggy: Like Evita, like we just had it.

[12:10] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[12:11] Peggy: I agree.

[12:12] Eden Espinosa: She looks like a clown when she tries to do my face.

[12:14] Peggy: I know.

[12:15] Eden Espinosa: Well, well we're not all born with we're not all born with perfection.

[12:19] Peggy: So do you say yes to everything to stay relevant?

[12:22] Eden Espinosa: No.

[12:22] Peggy: Do you?

[12:23] Eden Espinosa: Well, I know.

[12:24] Peggy: I say no to everything.

[12:25] Eden Espinosa: I say no to most of the things.

[12:26] Peggy: I hate everything, right?

[12:27] Eden Espinosa: Basically.

[12:27] Peggy: Yeah.

[12:28] Eden Espinosa: And I say no whenever people invite me to shows because I just know in advance it's gonna be bad, especially plays.

[12:34] Peggy: Because plays don't matter, you know.

[12:36] Eden Espinosa: What is your favorite show?

[12:37] Peggy: My favorite show ever?

[12:38] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[12:39] Peggy: Sweeney ta.

[12:41] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[12:41] Peggy: Why do you like it?

[12:42] Eden Espinosa: Oh, okay.

[12:43] Peggy: Any more?

[12:45] Eden Espinosa: I love a little night music.

[12:47] Peggy: Oh, so you're a saw on time.

[12:48] Eden Espinosa: And I love company, but not this new one.

[12:51] Peggy: Okay.

[12:52] Eden Espinosa: I could do a whole epi on company.

[12:54] Peggy: Okay.

[12:54] Eden Espinosa: Did you go in for it?

[12:55] Peggy: No, I didn't.

[12:56] Eden Espinosa: I wasn't asked.

[12:57] Peggy: I said no.

[12:58] Eden Espinosa: No, I wasn't asked.

[12:59] Peggy: You know what? We should just anything we're not invited to do, we should just say we already said no to it.

[13:04] Eden Espinosa: I like this plan.

[13:04] Peggy: And that's a great way.

[13:05] Eden Espinosa: It's like a firewall for your spirit.

[13:07] Peggy: Yeah, this is a good plan.

[13:08] Eden Espinosa: All right.

[13:09] Peggy: Okay. What is next, Eden?

[13:11] Eden Espinosa: What's next for you?

[13:12] Eden Espinosa: Uh I'm doing a residency at the Green Room 42.

[13:15] Peggy: So what's next is important.

[13:17] Eden Espinosa: Oh, what's next is important.

[13:18] Eden Espinosa: Okay. Uh I'm I'm I'm doing a musical I've been working on called Lumpica.

[13:23] Peggy: Ooh.

[13:23] Eden Espinosa: That's Lil'Hoya Playhouse.

[13:25] Peggy: About the lesbian.

[13:26] Eden Espinosa: She Artist.

[13:27] Peggy: Yes.

[13:29] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. Uh-huh.

[13:30] Peggy: Yes.

[13:30] Eden Espinosa: Do you have a steamy love scene?

[13:32] Peggy: Sort of.

[13:33] Eden Espinosa: Yes.

[13:33] Peggy: Oh, Damber Iman.

[13:34] Eden Espinosa: With Amber Mond.

[13:36] Peggy: I know.

[13:36] Eden Espinosa: Amber Mon was on the show.

[13:37] Peggy: I get to make out with Amber Iman.

[13:39] Eden Espinosa: I get to make out with Andrew Samansky.

[13:40] Peggy: Ooh.

[13:40] Eden Espinosa: It's a good life.

[13:41] Peggy: Dreams.

[13:42] Eden Espinosa: It's a good life.

[13:43] Peggy: Wow, that's wonderful.

[13:44] Eden Espinosa: And you're the leading lady.

[13:45] Peggy: Yeah.

[13:46] Eden Espinosa: I mean, go figure.

[13:48] Peggy: Do you paint people nude?

[13:49] Eden Espinosa: Like what's the story?

[13:50] Eden Espinosa: Uh it's a story about her life, um, starting from her and her husband escaping the Bolshevik Revolution and how she started painting to survive and make money for the family because they lost all their money and then they have to escape the Nazis.

[14:03] Peggy: It's a very dense, complex story.

[14:05] Eden Espinosa: If you go and look at Eden Espinosa's socials, you see that she does a lot of concerts.

[14:05] Peggy: A lot of concerts.

[14:13] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[14:14] Peggy: Okay. All the time.

[14:15] Eden Espinosa: Um, you know, artists don't get paid for those, and hardly anybody comes.

[14:20] Peggy: They do them for their part.

[14:22] Eden Espinosa: I guess.

[14:23] Peggy: Do you do a lot of concerts?

[14:25] Eden Espinosa: I do so just for your spirit.

[14:26] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, I've I've started to mostly just recently, more often.

[14:31] Peggy: Um, but uh I'm enjoying it.

[14:33] Eden Espinosa: I'm I've been doing one a week for what do you sing at them?

[14:36] Peggy: I love singing songs that I wrote, and um, because it's just comes from you, you know.

[14:42] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[14:42] Peggy: Mm-hmm.

[14:43] Eden Espinosa: Comes from the pain of, you know, things like wicked.

[14:45] Peggy: Right.

[14:46] Eden Espinosa: All right, we have a new game we would like to play with you.

[14:48] Peggy: Okay.

[14:48] Eden Espinosa: It's called Finish the Lyric.

[14:49] Peggy: Okay.

[14:50] Eden Espinosa: So if you're an actor worth their salt, you'll be able to do it.

[14:53] Peggy: Oh god.

[14:54] Eden Espinosa: Bisexuals, trisexuals, homo sapiens.

[14:59] Peggy: Carson, hallucinogens, Phoebe Herman.

[15:02] Eden Espinosa: German Mind, Turpentine, Gretchen, Noni, Berta, Luigi, Kurisawa, Carmina, Virana.

[15:15] Peggy: To the same little play those big game.

[15:19] Eden Espinosa: To marijuana!

[15:23] Peggy: That's awesome.

[15:24] Eden Espinosa: We did alright.

[15:24] Peggy: We did alright.

[15:25] Eden Espinosa: All right.

[15:26] Peggy: We crossed the desert running for our lives.

[15:29] Eden Espinosa: That's all I get.

[15:31] Peggy: Yeah.

[15:32] Eden Espinosa: You can give her one more line.

[15:33] Peggy: No, I can't.

[15:34] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[15:35] Peggy: Fleeing from the Pharaoh.

[15:38] Eden Espinosa: Oh.

[15:39] Peggy: It's from a show you recently did.

[15:42] Eden Espinosa: Like last year.

[15:42] Peggy: Joseph?

[15:44] Eden Espinosa: We did you do other things with Pharaohs?

[15:47] Peggy: Running from I don't running for our lives.

[15:50] Eden Espinosa: Is that a part the narrator's saying?

[15:52] Peggy: Oh, she only knows her line.

[15:54] Eden Espinosa: Sorry.

[15:54] Peggy: It's a one-night concert.

[15:55] Eden Espinosa: Okay, much like painting.

[15:57] Peggy: No, that's from Falsettos.

[15:59] Eden Espinosa: There's a pharaoh.

[16:00] Peggy: There's a pharaoh in Falsettos?

[16:02] Eden Espinosa: No, it's the opening of the show.

[16:03] Peggy: We cross the desert, running for our lives.

[16:07] Eden Espinosa: Uh but this I wasn't in this number.

[16:10] Peggy: I only saying like a good, you know, kids listening at home.

[16:14] Eden Espinosa: Back in Shakespeare's time, the reason they were called sides is because you were only given your side of the story.

[16:20] Peggy: And Eden is that true?

[16:22] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[16:23] Peggy: I didn't know that.

[16:24] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, you were only given when they when somebody gave out the new play, they only gave your side of the story, so you didn't know what happened.

[16:29] Peggy: Eden is from almost back then.

[16:32] Eden Espinosa: And she has adopted that I apparently as her own way of thinking about you should really read the whole play you're in.

[16:39] Peggy: You know what I mean?

[16:40] Eden Espinosa: All right, we're gonna play a game called Fast Fire Faves.

[16:44] Peggy: Fast Faves.

[16:45] Eden Espinosa: Okay?

[16:46] Peggy: Fast fire faves.

[16:47] Eden Espinosa: Least favorite food.

[16:51] Peggy: Beansprouts.

[16:52] Eden Espinosa: Bean sprouts?

[16:53] Peggy: I don't like them.

[16:54] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[16:54] Peggy: Morning person or night owl?

[16:56] Eden Espinosa: Night owl.

[16:57] Peggy: Puppies or kittens?

[16:58] Eden Espinosa: Puppies.

[16:59] Peggy: Oh yeah.

[17:00] Eden Espinosa: Flats or heels.

[17:01] Peggy: Flat.

[17:02] Eden Espinosa: Your middle name?

[17:03] Peggy: Erica.

[17:04] Eden Espinosa: Oh, that's adorable.

[17:05] Peggy: Isn't it Jane?

[17:07] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[17:08] Peggy: My whole family is ease.

[17:09] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[17:10] Peggy: The last album you bought.

[17:12] Eden Espinosa: The last album I bought.

[17:15] Peggy: I download Harry Styles' last album.

[17:19] Eden Espinosa: Wow.

[17:20] Peggy: She doesn't buy music, and when she does, she buys Harry Styles.

[17:23] Eden Espinosa: Oh my god, I love it.

[17:24] Peggy: Favorite vegetables.

[17:25] Eden Espinosa: Sorry, not sorry.

[17:26] Peggy: Do eat vegetables?

[17:26] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, I do.

[17:27] Peggy: Brussels proud.

[17:28] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[17:28] Peggy: Favorite TV show.

[17:30] Eden Espinosa: This is too hard to say, but I guess I'm gonna say friends.

[17:33] Peggy: It's a great show.

[17:34] Eden Espinosa: I know.

[17:34] Peggy: Yeah.

[17:35] Eden Espinosa: But I have a lot of favorites.

[17:36] Peggy: It's very basic.

[17:37] Eden Espinosa: Thing about me.

[17:39] Peggy: I love your style.

[17:40] Eden Espinosa: Thank you.

[17:41] Peggy: I do.

[17:42] Eden Espinosa: You do?

[17:42] Peggy: Yeah, I'm a vintage.

[17:44] Eden Espinosa: I love vintage and I love how you you rock it.

[17:46] Peggy: You always rock it.

[17:47] Eden Espinosa: Thank you.

[17:47] Peggy: Yeah, I don't change it.

[17:48] Eden Espinosa: I just wear the same thing.

[17:50] Peggy: That's true.

[17:51] Eden Espinosa: But you gotta go with what works for you.

[17:52] Peggy: Yeah.

[17:53] Eden Espinosa: And I think a lot of people don't really should do that more.

[17:56] Peggy: Yeah.

[17:57] Eden Espinosa: We're going to play a game called Lasting Impressions.

[18:04] Peggy: So, as you know, every actor has to have in their back pocket dozens of impressions to get jobs.

[18:11] Eden Espinosa: Oh god.

[18:12] Peggy: And every actor worth their salt has it.

[18:14] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[18:15] Peggy: Eden is no different.

[18:16] Eden Espinosa: But we've already learned I'm not worth my salt.

[18:18] Peggy: Eat this finosa, everybody.

[18:22] Eden Espinosa: Train train with so sweet club and time.

[18:33] Peggy: Yeah.

[18:34] Eden Espinosa: That was awesome.

[18:35] Peggy: That's a real song.

[18:36] Eden Espinosa: Yeah.

[18:36] Peggy: Wow.

[18:37] Eden Espinosa: It is.

[18:37] Peggy: It's from Dancer in the Dark.

[18:39] Eden Espinosa: People, do you know this movie?

[18:40] Peggy: You should.

[18:41] Eden Espinosa: No.

[18:42] Peggy: Okay.

[18:42] Eden Espinosa: Drew Barrymore.

[18:44] Peggy: Wow, everything's just like really magical.

[18:47] Eden Espinosa: And like, you know, my makeup line and my kids, Olive, and I don't remember the other name, but they're really magical.

[18:55] Peggy: Michelle Wolf.

[18:57] Eden Espinosa: I don't I don't have it.

[18:59] Peggy: I don't have it.

[19:00] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[19:00] Peggy: It's just it sounds like Ellen except a little more grating.

[19:05] Eden Espinosa: Jessica Rabbit.

[19:08] Peggy: Does she is she like a Marilyn?

[19:10] Eden Espinosa: Does she have like this voice?

[19:12] Peggy: I don't remember what she sounds like.

[19:13] Eden Espinosa: She says a signature line.

[19:14] Peggy: Do you know what it is?

[19:15] Eden Espinosa: I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.

[19:16] Peggy: Yeah.

[19:17] Eden Espinosa: Oh, it's Kathleen Turner who voices her, right?

[19:19] Peggy: Yeah.

[19:19] Eden Espinosa: So it's a little bit more than a little bit.

[19:20] Peggy: Kathleen Turner in the back in the day, though.

[19:21] Eden Espinosa: Right.

[19:22] Peggy: So it's maybe a little deeper.

[19:24] Eden Espinosa: I like that.

[19:25] Peggy: That's very sexy times.

[19:27] Eden Espinosa: Oh.

[19:27] Peggy: Peggy.

[19:28] Eden Espinosa: Caroly Carmelo.

[19:30] Peggy: Oh sh um.

[19:34] Eden Espinosa: In his what's her favorite?

[19:36] Peggy: In his eyes!

[19:38] Eden Espinosa: I can't do it.

[19:39] Peggy: I can't do it.

[19:39] Eden Espinosa: Is that Carolie?

[19:40] Peggy: I love Carolie.

[19:42] Eden Espinosa: She things in his eyes.

[19:43] Peggy: Yeah.

[19:43] Eden Espinosa: She does a concept album.

[19:45] Peggy: Yeah, with it.

[19:46] Eden Espinosa: On the concept album.

[19:47] Peggy: It's my favorite soundtrack maybe ever.

[19:49] Eden Espinosa: With Anthony Warlord.

[19:50] Peggy: Linda and Carolie.

[19:52] Eden Espinosa: And Carolie and Anthony Warlow.

[19:54] Peggy: It's the best one.

[19:55] Eden Espinosa: He could get it.

[19:56] Peggy: He could get it.

[19:57] Eden Espinosa: That throat alone.

[19:58] Peggy: Wait, what?

[19:59] Eden Espinosa: Rose in Titanic.

[20:01] Peggy: Come back.

[20:03] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[20:03] Peggy: Come back.

[20:04] Eden Espinosa: Judge Judy.

[20:05] Peggy: I don't watch Judge Judy.

[20:08] Eden Espinosa: But you know gays.

[20:09] Peggy: You're a gay icon.

[20:11] Eden Espinosa: What does gays have to do with Judge Judy?

[20:13] Peggy: Judge Judy, they all watch it.

[20:14] Eden Espinosa: Who says?

[20:15] Peggy: Gays.

[20:16] Eden Espinosa: I've never heard of that.

[20:18] Peggy: That gays love Judge Judy.

[20:20] Eden Espinosa: Last but not least, Adina Mantel.

[20:24] Eden Espinosa: Snow glows white on the mountain tonight.

[20:27] Peggy: Not a footprint to be seen.

[20:30] Eden Espinosa: Yes.

[20:30] Peggy: The Kingdom of Isolation.

[20:33] Eden Espinosa: And it looks like I'm the Queen.

[20:36] Eden Espinosa: Yes! That was Brills. Keep going. For those listening at home, the wind is howling like the swelling storm inside.

[20:48] Peggy: That was awesome. Wow. Eden, you know something else is really exciting about Eden, and she's probably rich because of it, is because she voices a leading lady on a cartoon for kids called Tangled.

[21:02] Eden Espinosa: Mm-hmm. Tell us about it.

[21:04] Eden Espinosa: Tangled the Series, or Tangled: Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure, is a continuation from after the movie and then before the show. It's basically Tangled. It's Rapunzel and Eugene and everybody else, and my character is new and her name is Cassandra, and it's a really great show.

[21:29] Peggy: They made the hair of the character look like you.

[21:32] Eden Espinosa: I actually copied her because my hair at the time was super long, and then it was super short, and then as my hair was growing out, it looked exactly like Cassandra. So I copied her.

[21:42] Peggy: If a movie was made of your life, what genre would it be and who would play you?

[21:46] Eden Espinosa: Ooh, that's a good question. Ellen would play me. And she's getting a little long in the tooth because it takes a while for a movie to get made, you know? I mean, you gotta think of somebody a few years younger who could, you know, believably be like, "I'm Brooklyn."

[22:02] Peggy: Oh.

[22:03] Eden Espinosa: You know what I mean?

[22:04] Peggy: Right.

[22:04] Eden Espinosa: But then we could have like somebody younger do that. Yeah, you gotta unfortunately, we're gonna have to hire like probably a millennial or younger, even though they don't have any work ethic, I know.

[22:12] Peggy: But that's the breaks. We have to use, we have to, I guess we can't get rid of young people. I think there are a few that have good work.

[22:12] Eden Espinosa: Really? Yeah, okay, I'd like to when you find them. Since you're the old guard, what are some things that you see millennials and Gen Z doing in the workplace that you would never do?

[22:22] Eden Espinosa: A lot of things. Showing up late, just simply saying, "I'm not coming in tomorrow," or "I'll be here at X time when rehearsal starts at 10, I'm coming in at 12:30." There's not so much a team player vibe. It's very singular. It's very all about me type of thing. A lot of arguing with directors and like things that I would maybe have a conversation about privately.

[23:02] Peggy: Privately.

[23:03] Eden Espinosa: Offline, as they say. Wow, this is very horrible.

[23:07] Peggy: Yeah.

[23:08] Eden Espinosa: It's not everything. I think a lot of them came from a lot of different programs that, um, that around the country, which is, um, some of them came from Silver Spoons, which makes them entitled as well.

[23:25] Peggy: Yes.

[23:26] Eden Espinosa: Silver spoons in their mouth.

[23:28] Peggy: I know. And I was trying to think of the theme song to Silver Spoons.

[23:31] Eden Espinosa: Oh. Eden, what is your dream job?

[23:33] Eden Espinosa: I'm doing it.

[23:35] Peggy: Sitting here?

[23:36] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, I'm talking to you. This sitting here and doing concerts at Green Room 42. You know what? You don't have to aim high because then you can reach it quicker. You know what I mean?

[23:48] Peggy: Yeah.

[23:48] Eden Espinosa: It's just like not everybody wants to reach for the stars that are, don't reach the stars, you'll get the moon, or whatever that stupid phrase is. You know, not everybody wants to do that.

[23:56] Peggy: It's true. Let's play a game called Gimme Your Phone.

[23:59] Eden Espinosa: It's in my bag.

[24:01] Peggy: Give me a phone.

[24:02] Eden Espinosa: Do you want, do you really want my phone?

[24:04] Peggy: Well, FaceTime, she's trying to be in.

[24:06] Eden Espinosa: Okay.

[24:07] Peggy: She's still always us.

[24:08] Eden Espinosa: She's gonna know essentially.

[24:10] Peggy: She's not gonna answer.

[24:11] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, she is. She answered the other day.

[24:12] Peggy: But she's not gonna answer. She's gonna know it's up to no good.

[24:15] Eden Espinosa: I don't even, where is my FaceTime thing? Oh my god, she doesn't even know how to use your phone.

[24:20] Peggy: Oh, here it is.

[24:21] Eden Espinosa: Oh no, that's Zoom.

[24:24] Peggy: Yes!

[24:26] Eden Espinosa: She's in her towel!

[24:28] Peggy: It's Peggy.

[24:31] Eden Espinosa: I knew you were gonna be Peggy!

[24:33] Peggy: We're so connected. I was in the shower, I was listening to Meg Twee's EP, and I was like, fuck! Morgan has a new album out. That is the next thing I need to do.

[24:40] Eden Espinosa: Oh, it was just.

[24:41] Peggy: Only took you a month.

[24:42] Eden Espinosa: It was you. I never listen to music. I never do a grand.

[24:46] Peggy: You should listen to music. It's nice to do.

[24:48] Eden Espinosa: You're next in line. I'm finishing Meg's EP, and then I'm going on to the Memphis mini show.

[24:54] Peggy: Great. I don't know what that means.

[24:56] Eden Espinosa: Welcome. We were just thinking about you, and Eden said she'll never pick up. And I said, "Oh, yes, she will."

[25:01] Peggy: Oh, yes, she will.

[25:03] Eden Espinosa: In all her morning glory. She's in her.

[25:05] Peggy: She's in her towels.

[25:07] Eden Espinosa: You look very glamorous.

[25:10] Peggy: Shoshana Bean is never seen without a full face of makeup. I don't know if you know that about her.

[25:14] Eden Espinosa: I do know that about her. You should come be on my show.

[25:16] Peggy: We already agreed to this, didn't we?

[25:18] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. Well.

[25:19] Peggy: We just have to find a day.

[25:20] Eden Espinosa: Saiyan ain't doing.

[25:22] Peggy: Well, we just thought we'd check in.

[25:23] Eden Espinosa: Okay, well, bye.

[25:24] Peggy: See you next time you're in New York.

[25:26] Eden Espinosa: Maybe.

[25:26] Peggy: Okay, well, bye.

[25:28] Eden Espinosa: Shoshana Bean presents.

[25:29] Peggy: Everyone else's shows.

[25:30] Eden Espinosa: Yep. Alright, we're gonna play a game called Booked and Blessed.

[25:33] Peggy: Okay, great.

[25:38] Eden Espinosa: I've got some sides here for you.

[25:40] Peggy: Okay.

[25:40] Eden Espinosa: Um, you'll be reading for Bach.

[25:46] Peggy: Amazing.

[25:47] Eden Espinosa: Okay. I always wanted to.

[25:48] Peggy: Glenda.

[25:49] Eden Espinosa: Oh, but we have to share because we're in the poorhouse here.

[25:51] Peggy: Okay.

[25:52] Eden Espinosa: Alright. Also the trees, you know.

[25:54] Peggy: Yeah, and also trees.

[25:55] Eden Espinosa: Okay. A lot of people have been reading for this, so make it your own. Just have fun with it.

[25:58] Peggy: Okay.

[26:00] Eden Espinosa: I'm Bach.

[26:01] Peggy: Yeah.

[26:03] Eden Espinosa: Miss Gelinda.

[26:06] Peggy: Miss Glenda.

[26:07] Eden Espinosa: I know I'm just a mere Munchkin, but even Munchkin has to be.

[26:10] Peggy: Actually, that's actually offensive. Can you say little person?

[26:12] Eden Espinosa: Oh, sure. Do they want to become a little person?

[26:15] Peggy: I'm just reading what's on the page.

[26:16] Eden Espinosa: Okay, great. But no, you know, Wicked is so old that they need to update it.

[26:21] Peggy: Is this real?

[26:22] Eden Espinosa: Or they're not updating it.

[26:23] Peggy: No.

[26:24] Eden Espinosa: Okay. Oh, we are today.

[26:25] Peggy: Okay.

[26:26] Eden Espinosa: I know I'm just a mere little person, but even a little person has feelings. And I've tried to tell you of mine for you, but sometimes it's like you don't even know who I am.

[26:36] Peggy: That's not true, Bic.

[26:38] Eden Espinosa: Bach.

[26:38] Peggy: Bic. Do you know, uh, realize who that is?

[26:42] Eden Espinosa: Oh, there's another one.

[26:43] Peggy: Oh, there's now who am I?

[26:45] Eden Espinosa: You're gonna be Alpha Ba.

[26:47] Peggy: Okay.

[26:48] Eden Espinosa: Okay. Um, you might consider going back in for that because it's still running. Um, do you wanna do it as, why don't you be Bach and read it as grandpa from Frozen? And I'll be Alpha back.

[26:56] Peggy: Okay, okay.

[26:57] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, you be Alpha. Who's gonna be Nessa?

[26:59] Peggy: Nessa wait. Do you know why I'm here?

[27:03] Eden Espinosa: Yes.

[27:03] Peggy: What is it, madam governor?

[27:09] Eden Espinosa: You, that's you.

[27:11] Peggy: You're gonna be Bach.

[27:12] Eden Espinosa: Oh, um yeah. You, you Bach.

[27:17] Peggy: Bach, it's just me. I'm not gonna hurt you.

[27:19] Eden Espinosa: You're lying. That's how you ever do you and your whippersnapper sister. She's as wicked as you are.

[27:28] Peggy: Bach. What are you talking about, Bach?

[27:32] Eden Espinosa: What are you talking? Oh. I'm talking about my life. She's really committed. I wish you guys could see it. The little that's left of it. I'm not free to leave.

[27:44] Peggy: You know what I mean?

[27:44] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. What a little what's left of it. We were gonna jump ahead because that got a little, that got a little real.

[27:49] Peggy: Okay.

[27:50] Eden Espinosa: Alright, Eden. What is your life advice?

[27:54] Eden Espinosa: Be yourself.

[27:55] Peggy: Be yourself?

[27:55] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. What about your advice for someone who wants to do this as a career?

[28:00] Eden Espinosa: Run in the opposite direction.

[28:01] Peggy: Really?

[28:02] Eden Espinosa: No. Be yourself. It's also be yourself. But how can you be yourself when everybody wants you to be somebody else?

[28:07] Eden Espinosa: Well, I feel like, you know, this, it's, it's, uh, with social media and everything, it's always about comparing yourself to other people and then therefore not thinking you're good enough, and everybody is enough.

[28:18] Peggy: Compare and despair.

[28:20] Eden Espinosa: Yes. I've been victim of that myself.

[28:23] Peggy: Yeah, it's easy to do. You don't seem to have that problem though.

[28:26] Eden Espinosa: When I see people with like six dogs, I'm so jealous.

[28:28] Peggy: Ah, I see. I got it.

[28:30] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, that's hard. I don't feel really that when I see all the dummies out there, I just feel thankful that I'm not a dummy.

[28:35] Peggy: Yeah.

[28:36] Eden Espinosa: But I do, I'm very envious of people that have like farms full of animals.

[28:39] Peggy: Yeah. That's something to be jealous about.

[28:41] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. And your brains and your smarts. This has been a real treat for Eden, I bet. And it's been wonderful having humbling.

[28:50] Peggy: Thank you. Everybody needs a little humbling in their life because everybody's too entitled.

[28:54] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. And maybe I should just bring on some millennials and do a panel.

[28:58] Peggy: I think that would be so interesting.

[29:01] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, especially for them.

[29:04] Peggy: Ooh, Eden could be your co-host.

[29:05] Eden Espinosa: Oh, yeah, yeah. And some other old millennial panel. Just putting on Carol E and like Judy Cune.

[29:10] Peggy: Yes. I love them. Nobody sings the way they used to. I just love how voices used to be unique and great and we used to actually sing like Forte.

[29:19] Eden Espinosa: Yeah. You know, not just this weird, like.

[29:23] Peggy: Ooh, do a Billy Eilish impression, Peggy.

[29:25] Eden Espinosa: I've never heard Billy Eilish.

[29:26] Peggy: But I'll tell you what Halsey and everybody else sounds like.

[29:28] Eden Espinosa: The same thing. They do the millennial voice, where they go, die heights. What's that, um, kid that everybody likes that sings, um, Billy Island.

[29:38] Eden Espinosa: It isn't my blood.

[29:41] Peggy: Sean Mendes.

[29:42] Eden Espinosa: Yeah, he can go to hell. Anybody that sings with that voice. If you put 12 diphthongs in 12 vowels in one word, you're dead to me.

[29:52] Peggy: So this has been Gettin' Peggy Wit It. It's been such a treat.

[29:55] Eden Espinosa: It has.

[29:56] Peggy: We have been sitting here with Eden Espinosa. Thank you so much for joining us, Eden.

[30:02] Eden Espinosa: Thank you for having me, Peggy.

[30:03] Peggy: See you next time we want to talk about Wicked.

[30:05] Eden Espinosa: Okay, great.

[30:06] Peggy: Never. You've been listening to Gettin' Peggy Wit It on the Broadway Podcast Network.

[30:13] Eden Espinosa: Gettin' Peggy Wit It is produced by Alan Seales and directed by Ellyn Marie Marsh.

[30:17] Eden Espinosa: Gettin' Peggy Wit It is edited by Alan Seales and Ellyn Marie Marsh.

[30:20] Peggy: And she won't let you forget it. Please follow Peggy's Adventures at Greetings, it's Peggy. One word, dummies.

[30:27] Eden Espinosa: Special thanks to Taylor Newsom and Josh Lehman.

[30:30] Peggy: Peggy is a character created by Morgan James.

[30:33] Eden Espinosa: That's me.

[30:34] Peggy: Morgan James. And Peggy.

[30:37] Eden Espinosa: And Morgan.

[30:39] Peggy: Thanks for listening. Alan was trying to cheat just now.

[30:42] Eden Espinosa: Don't look at him.

[30:43] Peggy: Alan.

[30:44] Eden Espinosa: Two years.

[30:45] Peggy: A year and a half.

[30:45] Eden Espinosa: He's wearing bowling shoes. Get out of here.