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[0:00] Andrew: Hello!

[0:01] Kevin McHale: Oh my god, here we are!

[0:04] Jenna Ushkowitz: Again! We're back!

[0:05] Kevin McHale: Here we are again!

[0:06] Andrew: Can I just say something?

[0:08] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[0:09] Andrew: I know we're recording this, you know, it's off from like what's happening currently today in real life, but behind you is a beautiful portrait of a white horse and Beyoncé just became the most nominated person ever in Grammy history.

[0:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: I just got the commission today to celebrate, yeah.

[0:28] Andrew: It's really doing it for me, so thank you.

[0:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, thank you. It's beautiful. I take it for granted, so thank you.

[0:35] Kevin McHale: You know, the Grammys take Beyoncé for granted, so it's...

[0:39] Andrew: Exactly. Say it!

[0:41] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[0:41] Andrew: We've got a mission to find the best song that's ever been on Glee.

[0:51] Jenna Ushkowitz: There's no rhyme or reason to it, so don't get mad at me.

[0:59] Andrew: Oh my gosh, our Gleeks this week, literally, they don't need any introduction. Joined by Kevin McHale and Jenna Ushkowitz. Hello!

[1:27] Kevin McHale: Hello!

[1:29] Jenna Ushkowitz: Thrilled to be back.

[1:31] Andrew: A platform for y'all to talk about Glee. I mean, finally.

[1:36] Kevin McHale: I've been needing a space and thank you for creating it for us.

[1:38] Andrew: Of course, of course. Kevin, we need to discuss the absolute sickness that you performed on stage.

[1:47] Jenna Ushkowitz: It made me ill. Like the level...

[1:50] Kevin McHale: I have that effect on people.

[1:53] Jenna Ushkowitz: It was so crazy. Like Alexa was like, let's stage door and I was like, I don't want to see that man right now. I have no words for him. It was so good.

[2:02] Kevin McHale: I'm so jealous.

[2:05] Kevin McHale: Well, thank you very, very much. And thank you for coming. It was so nice to see you in real life.

[2:12] Jenna Ushkowitz: You were tall.

[2:14] Kevin McHale: Yes, 6'2".

[2:16] Jenna Ushkowitz: See, were you getting 6'2" from this?

[2:18] Kevin McHale: No, I didn't. I didn't even think about it.

[2:20] Jenna Ushkowitz: This is a standing desk. Should I stand up?

[2:23] Kevin McHale: Oh, I love it. I love it.

[2:25] Jenna Ushkowitz: I was flabbergasted, but thank you. It was very sweet of you both to come.

[2:30] Kevin McHale: Always so supportive. And it was nice. You know, we got to chat a little bit. It feels like every time that I see any of y'all live on stage, it feels like so validating that I leave the production and I'm like, I chose the right fandom.

[2:48] Jenna Ushkowitz: You guys are just like insanely like it just no words. So good.

[2:55] Kevin McHale: That is very sweet. Thank you very much.

[2:56] Jenna Ushkowitz: Get this kid on Broadway.

[2:58] Kevin McHale: Exactly. Speaking of Jenna, my question is for you. What production would you like to see Kevin in on Broadway?

[3:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: Okay, so I would love to see him in something original, but if I had to pick something current or around while I would have loved to see him in Spelling Bee, I always thought that a good entry.

[3:22] Kevin McHale: Please send it.

[3:23] Jenna Ushkowitz: Do you actually? I caught it from a sword.

[3:26] Kevin McHale: I should not be saying this publicly, but I can send it to you, Kevin.

[3:30] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's really good.

[3:31] Kevin McHale: You have to.

[3:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: I always thought a good entry way for Kevin, not that he needs it now, would be Bach in Wicked.

[3:38] Kevin McHale: Oh, I always thought it was such a good one for him.

[3:43] Jenna Ushkowitz: Um, this is a good question. I don't I haven't thought about this too, too deeply.

[3:50] Kevin McHale: Um, that's a good start.

[3:54] Jenna Ushkowitz: I would love to see him in Evan Hansen.

[3:57] Kevin McHale: Jenna, she does not have the range.

[4:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, we saw the range.

[4:03] Kevin McHale: No, look, I would like I appreciate over the years. People have said that I appreciate it.

[4:09] Kevin McHale: I actually can't sing it like I physically cannot do it after also doing a show with Noah Galvin.

[4:18] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, that is somebody's voice who naturally lives up there.

[4:23] Kevin McHale: Now you understand, though, like some people, it's just natural.

[4:27] Jenna Ushkowitz: It just his voice is up there. My I can for those of you who are interested, the two of you, I can visit, right? Like I can do a single note, maybe.

[4:38] Kevin McHale: Okay, Evan Hansen, you have to I get it.

[4:41] Jenna Ushkowitz: You have to live up there. I get it. And sure, my voice is deeper. I mean, the friend who's the Sincerely Me role. I think that that's very fun.

[4:49] Kevin McHale: Oh, yes, that would have been great, too.

[4:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: We talked about Little Shop, Jenna.

[4:54] Kevin McHale: We did talk about Little Shop. I also would have loved to have seen Kevin as Ogie in Waitress.

[4:59] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, fun.

[5:00] Kevin McHale: I thought that'd be a great one for him.

[5:02] Jenna Ushkowitz: That number is just killer showstopper.

[5:05] Kevin McHale: Showstopper.

[5:07] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[5:08] Kevin McHale: So those are just a few. I'll come back. I think we should do Spelling Bee together, Jenna.

[5:12] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, I would die. I would die to do that show.

[5:14] Kevin McHale: Who would you want to be, Jenna?

[5:16] Jenna Ushkowitz: You know, it's funny because I always wanted to play Marcy Parks, of course, growing up like Debra Craig. She was it for me in that show.

[5:25] Kevin McHale: But there's always a part of me that wanted to play Olive.

[5:28] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, I was thinking at Olive. I was thinking like Marcy feels like the obvious role. However, Olive, I think, has you written all over it.

[5:38] Kevin McHale: I think it's so up your alley.

[5:40] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, I would love to play Olive. That's actually the one that I think would confuse or not confuse people, but it would surprise people if you're in a production. They're like, oh, obviously she's playing the Asian girl. You know what I mean?

[5:50] Kevin McHale: So.

[5:51] Jenna Ushkowitz: But the I Love You song. We need to hear it. We need it.

[5:56] Andrew: All right. Oh, God, I need to hear that. Let's just cut everything else. Let's just workshop the I Love You song.

[6:05] Kevin McHale: That's very nice. You and I will be mom and dad.

[6:09] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, speaking of not having the range.

[6:13] Andrew: Okay, we're glacketing today. Just to wet your palate a little bit. There's been a little bit of some contested competitions since your last appearance. Would like to just check base on where you fall on these competitions.

[6:27] Kevin McHale: Great.

[6:28] Andrew: First one being Born This Way versus We Are Young.

[6:34] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, my God. That's a hard one. Wow.

[6:38] Andrew: Speed round. Come on. What's the first? You know it.

[6:41] Jenna Ushkowitz: Born This Way.

[6:42] Kevin McHale: Born This Way.

[6:45] Andrew: Oh, God.

[6:47] Kevin McHale: I'm going We Are Young.

[6:48] Andrew: Okay. All right. Great. We're already fighting. I love it.

[6:52] Andrew: Just The Way You Are, Finn's version versus Being Alive by Kurt.

[6:56] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, these are murderous.

[7:00] Kevin McHale: This is well, we need to glack it.

[7:02] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh.

[7:05] Kevin McHale: I'm going to go just The Way You Are.

[7:07] Jenna Ushkowitz: I am too. I agree.

[7:09] Kevin McHale: Being Alive went through, however.

[7:13] Andrew: And then the final one I have for you. This was a big one. Mine versus To Start With Love.

[7:19] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, mine.

[7:21] Kevin McHale: Okay.

[7:21] Jenna Ushkowitz: No question.

[7:23] Andrew: Easy. All right. Perfect. All right. With that, let's get into it with song number one of competition.

[7:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: Can I just say I don't feel great about my Born This Way answer? I'm still thinking about it.

[7:34] Kevin McHale: So take that as you will.

[7:38] Andrew: It was recorded. We will use it against you forever. Stamped in history.

[7:42] Andrew: Okay. Song number one. You already know what it is. Here we go.

[8:05] ♪ Musical number: "Jump" — performed by Van Halen ♪

[10:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's so dumb. You know she did that live on tour.

[10:05] Kevin McHale: She does like a riff in like the full mp3 version that's not even included in the television edit.

[10:09] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's so dumb. It's funny when you go listen to the full versions, like full edits a lot, I forget to do that and you hear these wonderful surprises that you're like where did that come from?

[10:19] Kevin McHale: She and I just talked about this last week.

[10:21] Jenna Ushkowitz: Jump? Yes.

[10:23] Kevin McHale: Because it was still early on and we were like figuring out with Adam Anders and all of them like where our voices fit and she does have like a stupidly naturally high voice and she was saying how her voice isn't as high as it used to be and we started talking about jump and she was like I couldn't do that anymore. I was like I know that's a lie. You absolutely could.

[10:39] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's so fun. Obviously this is very early season one. I'm curious because like I having to talk about Glee myself on a weekly basis in recorded fashion just like you I feel like there are some times where I feel like I need a little bit of a Glee talks. I need like a separation. How do you feel talking about it you know like 15 years after the premiere?

[10:55] Kevin McHale: Heavy question. It feels...

[11:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Go Kevin.

[11:03] Kevin McHale: I think we're in a good place now. There was a point and like honestly like doing the podcast now and doing it where we get to talk to people like you has been like a breath of fresh air and like hearing other perspectives like what it meant to people who watch it and who watched it then that for some reason has like been a really helpful thing because at some days I'm like I just never want to speak about this show ever again.

[11:29] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes. And not because I don't like it just because you know when you're like you your podcasts are so well thought out you spend so much time on doing them that like anything you spend that much time doing regardless of how much you love it like I press pause.

[11:45] Kevin McHale: But it has been each other like in a good in a good place currently.

[11:51] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes. With doing this. I felt like right after the show wrapped I actually moved out of LA because I needed the Glee Talks. I called it that. I was like I need Glee Talks. I need to go home. I need to not think about the show ever again. And then somewhere around the pandemic I think maybe 2019 when the show started resurfacing obviously when Naya passed away like it re it brought us back together in a different way and then bringing the podcast back to life in this with this version. I think I feel better about it and it's in our control now. So I feel like we have more control about how we talk about it how we tell their truth in our narrative versus being talked about. How has it been different of like what you thought it was going to be like re-watching this entire series as opposed to like what it actually is sitting down to watch it and talk about it week to week.

[12:52] Kevin McHale: Yeah, I'm actually pleasantly surprised in how much I enjoy watching each single episode from the memories and then also watching it from more of a viewer standpoint now. Having removed myself and my emotions and my ego from it, you know, this time around, it feels different. There are some episodes and I'm like, God, help me just get through this one. It's not the majority. I really do enjoy everybody's performances so much more and the storyline and what the writers had to accomplish with all these characters and creating through line and not creating continuity. You know, there's just all these things that you really appreciate in a different way. And so I am pleasantly surprised and I did not think I would enjoy watching the show this much again.

[13:47] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, that's so good. I'm so happy to hear that. I thought it was going to feel more like a chore.

[13:55] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Than it does. It's actually been really nice. Of course, you know, you have some days where you're like, we've got a couple of episodes coming up that we're like, oh, yeah, but it's been it has been very, very nice.

[14:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. And it's been nice to sort of every we didn't mean to do this. But between every season, you know, we do a lot of these like Q&A's or talk to different people. And we're getting sort of like a preface for the season to come, which has been nice. And I think that's been a really great gauge for us.

[14:31] Kevin McHale: Yes. And to prepare ourselves so that the people don't lie. Sometimes you do need some warning.

[14:35] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, to get into. Yeah. You need to adjust those expectations.

[14:40] Kevin McHale: Exactly. I understand that you guys have to get out at the end of the hour. So forgive me if it feels a little rushed. We're gonna get into song number two.

[14:48] ♪ Musical number: "I Love New York/New York, New York" — performed by the Glee Cast ♪

[16:56] Jenna Ushkowitz: The New York episode. Um, obviously you can like see them in the background, the fans, the hordes of fans watching. My question related to the fandom is do you feel more connected with the fans now as opposed to what was your relationship like with the fans as the production was continuing on?

[17:30] Kevin McHale: Yeah, it's very different. Yeah, when you're in it, and also the way you can communicate like now we have space and distance from it, where like everyone's a little calmer.

[17:42] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, and you can have these conversations and actually take the time and find out what the show meant to people.

[17:46] Kevin McHale: Yes, then it was very much like, you know, it was like, it was like we were just working all the time. And then anywhere we went, it was it was like crowds of people. And so it was a very different dynamic. I think also with social media, it was different. We were just in the era of Twitter and Instagram and they're like, inception. And so we weren't able to connect with them in a way that we are now.

[18:20] Jenna Ushkowitz: I agree with Kevin, though, having some time removed from it, because it really was pandemonium. And you really, we really did have to protect ourselves. And when I say that, I don't mean in like a sense of violence or, you know, not safety, but protect yourself. You can't give everything you have. And if we gave to one person, we would feel like we were not giving the same to everybody else. And for me, it felt like I felt like I was robbing people then it was unfair in some way. And we really did try to take time with fans, especially like when they come and they hang out outside of your hotel and things like that. Obviously, safety is a thing. But, you know, you're like you they're there for three days.

You're like, what are you doing here? And like, where are you from? And where are you sleeping? And what's going on? And we really were so appreciative of everybody. But it was just a different beast in being able to connect with them in a fair way that felt safe and not completely chaotic.

[19:26] Kevin McHale: Like and now it's just so it's so different.

[19:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. Kevin, I would imagine that like most people when they come up to the popular phrase would be like, oh, my God, you can walk?

[19:35] Kevin McHale: Yes.

[19:41] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes. Tina was robbed!

[19:42] Kevin McHale: Tina was robbed. And they're right for saying that.

[19:45] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes, that's actually great.

[19:47] Kevin McHale: Yeah, no, no, people just they're like, she was so underused. And obviously, we've talked about this in the past on the show. But yeah, at first, like it was very triggering for me to hear that like during the show. Because you're like, kind of feel validated, but you also kind of feel like, wow, people see it too. It's like your worst fear being like validated that you're like, wow, I'm not I'm not good enough for them to use me. Now I'm like, it's just it was what it was.

[20:17] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, but she was robbed. Justice for Tina. Honestly, having watched, you know, now we're in season, you know, mid season, season five, like she had her moments. And when they were great, like they were there, they were great. And I'm really happy for her that she got that. Tina has like a really great slew of episodes coming up where it's like, it almost felt like a departure for you, like on your way out that it was like, hey, here's a bunch of stuff for you to chew on.

[20:45] Kevin McHale: Yeah, yeah. She's also like one of the veterans at that point. So it just it made sense to me. But yes, that that's kind of the thing I get.

[20:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: But when it comes down to it feels like we're talking all over the place. But what comes down to this competition at hand of jump versus the New York mashup? Is there an obvious choice for either of y'all?

[21:03] Kevin McHale: Very? Yeah.

[21:04] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. Jump.

[21:06] Kevin McHale: Jump.

[21:11] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[21:12] Kevin McHale: I agree.

[21:15] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. It's so much fun. What does the fandom think about New York, New York? I'm curious.

[21:19] Kevin McHale: It's so interesting. I the few weeks ago, I had someone on that was under the impression that the New York mashup was an original song that like that, because it was like in an episode where you were doing original music. It makes sense. And some of the lyrics in that song are so dumb. The Madonna song is diabolical.

[21:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: Recording that song.

[21:32] Kevin McHale: Yes. Oh, yeah. I felt because I did not know that song before we recorded it. Crazy.

[21:38] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. Like this is a real song. If you actually like see our mouths, which we're moving so quickly throughout New York that I don't think you do. None of us knew the words.

[21:51] Kevin McHale: Well, I think it's, I think it's fun. I think that it's interesting that like, because it's a Madonna. And like, it's like on the town, like mashup or something, whatever. But like, Corey gets the Madonna part. And then like Naya gets the male part, which I think is like very inspired and fun. But um, yeah, it's gotta be mattress.

[22:10] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. Going into our second competition song number one. Here we go.

[22:40] ♪ Musical number: "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" — performed by the Glee Cast ♪

[24:46] Kevin McHale: Oh, that's gonna be hard to beat. Oh, it's gonna be hard. I that whole competition. I am obsessed with that entire setlist. And it felt like a best one. I it's so it's so it. It feels wrong to like compare tributes. But I feel like this one feels like so much more like beautiful and earn like then the quarterback that it's like a celebration of yes, of Finn and Corey. I just love this.

[25:17] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. And I just I was curious because Corey's loss was so felt around the globe by so many fans. I remember that was like the biggest loss that really impacted me up until that point in my life that I was 17. But I'm curious for both of you. Does that ever feel weird to share that amount of grief with fans around the globe that just didn't know him?

[25:44] Jenna Ushkowitz: You would ask me this a few years ago, well, many, many years ago, starting with Corey. I might have said it did feel weird. And I think it's because, in hindsight, when we were, these fans were grieving, they were so incredibly distraught and emotional about it. And we, too, were also still in the very fresh phases of grieving. And it's like when somebody just throws the salt, like a big vat of salt in your wound, it makes it that much worse. And then anger and all these things come up, all these emotions come up. So I think for me, it was harder when I was still, the grieving was fresh. Grief gets smaller, gets easier, gets different, becomes something different. But I think back then, it felt like, you know, there's a sense of like, people felt like they really did connect with Finn and they knew Corey in a lot of ways.

And then you have the personal side of like, knowing Corey and working with him every day and looking him in the eye and calling him a friend. And so there were, everybody has their own thing. But I think it was just so much harder back then. And we learned from that. And so along the way, unfortunately, as we've lost more people, you understand to disconnect though, too. That everybody gets to grieve and everybody has it in their own way. And they're not trying to take something away from you. But that it's just what it is, them going through their process as well. But yeah, it's just weird in general. It's not normal to be grieving in public with millions and millions of people. So, you know what I mean?

It's just something new to navigate. Now it's, you understand, I mean, obviously, we just had the Corey memory, you know, tribute episode. And, you know, you also graciously submitted a voice note. And there's just, it's so beautiful that all those fans and all those people were so deeply touched by one person. You see the impact. And that to me is so beautiful now that I can look at it like that. You know what I mean? And I think it's so beautiful that you're even being as vulnerable as you are to go back into this space, as like murky as it might have seemed to go back and rewatch all of these episodes, considering all that. And it is the greatest gift having talked to countless fans of this series of like, how much this show means that it's like you are providing something so, so special.

That is like, we don't deserve that, frankly, like we don't like this is not something that we expect from you. This is such a gift. What you two are giving and so I just wanted to personally thank you.

[28:52] Kevin McHale: Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you.

[29:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Okay. All right, we're gonna go into what's against.

[29:16] Kevin McHale: I don't know.

[29:31] Jenna Ushkowitz: With your own man, you're gonna get it free. You're gonna get it free.

[29:47] Kevin McHale: And now with no doubt, it's in everything. It's in everything.

[29:54] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, we up, up, up for the boat show. Yeah, we down, down here on the ground. Yeah, we up, up, up, up, up, up, up. Yeah, we up, up, up to the clouds. Yeah, we up. You're gonna find your way, find your way to be. Hey, you're gonna get yourself aligned with your spine and you'll get it free. You'll get it free. It's a way now, way to see. Well, the moment it comes and it goes. Yeah, it's in everything. It's in everything.

[30:42] Kevin McHale: Yeah, we down, down here on the ground. Yeah, we up, up, up, up, up, up, up. Yeah, we up.

[31:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, we up. Yeah, we up. Yeah, we up.

[31:21] Kevin McHale: We need to discuss Dianna Agron. Dianna Agron is such an enigma to me and to so many others.

[31:33] Jenna Ushkowitz: That is a good way to put it. I have seen her live twice now. She had two different accents both times that I've seen her. She is so funny. She is so special to me. I need to know the craziest story that you have with Princess Dianna, truly.

[31:58] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Wow. That's a good read on Dianna. That's actually very accurate. She is an enigma to us as well. And it's like in the best way possible. Yeah, she's like ethereal. She's just like omnipresent, but also the opposite. What is she doing? Stunning. Where is she? You never know where she is. There was a song, I Follow Rivers, that I did on the show that they wanted, they needed to get their rights and they couldn't find Björk. They couldn't find her. They didn't know where she was in the world. Like they couldn't get a hold of her.

[32:36] Jenna Ushkowitz: Was it Leaky?

[32:41] Kevin McHale: Oh, no, it was Leaky Lee. Sorry. There was a song I was supposed to do by Björk. Oh, really? They couldn't find where she was. And so, therefore, we had to switch to Leaky Lee. That's what it was. And that's Dianna.

[33:02] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, my God. That is Björk. You just presented so much content. I did not know about this Björk stuff. That's crazy. I totally forgot about it. Dianna is, Kevin, I don't know, maybe you can explain it better. But my memory is of Dianna. You would just be standing there. There's so many stories. There's so many stories. She'd just be standing in there. And all of a sudden, she'd bust out into a dance move. She'd be like, I just want to dance. And like in rehearsal, you're just like standing there or like between takes. And she was very, I don't know if this is okay. Should I say it? She's very clumsy. And we were on our way to dance rehearsal after one of our shoots of like, I think it was like a sectionals or regionals very early on in the show.

And we're coming down the aisle of the theater to get to the stage to rehearse Tomorrow's Number. It's like the New Directions. I can't remember. Maybe it was Journey. I think it was Journey to Regionals. And she's coming down in her like very flowy patterned dress that she always, you know, she always wore like a nice long patterned dress. And she's coming down the aisles. And all of a sudden, we're on the down incline and she trips and falls and face plants just fully. Like. So hard. Like a statue. Gets up and starts dancing.

[34:32] Kevin McHale: Oh, she bounces right back. Blood, scabs, wounds, always bruised. But fine. But fine. Like, just laughing, smiling about it. That was Dianna to me. Like that. I have so many, but that I don't know. She also just knows everybody. Everybody. She was like at the Samuel L. Jackson tribute thing last week. I was like, what is your relationship with Samuel L. Jackson? The sooner you accept that these things just are.

[35:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, right. Because like we'd be placed somewhere in the world and she'd be like, oh, come meet my friend. This person is a designer or an architect or.

[35:18] Kevin McHale: The hotel route, like the hotel, she would make friends with the concierge. She'd be like, this is my friend Jacques. And you're like, no. Did you know him before this?

[35:27] Jenna Ushkowitz: Or kind of like Vanessa Lachey a little bit.

[35:33] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Like the most like personable mothers.

[35:37] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes, exactly.

[35:41] Kevin McHale: Oh, my God. Did I share too much?

[35:41] Kevin McHale: I loved it. An enigma in the best way possible. A beautiful enigma.

[35:48] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, I think you shared.

[35:48] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, my gosh. I legally need to ask, has there been any movement of getting her on to the podcast or she's just all over the place? We don't know where she is.

[36:01] Kevin McHale: Don't know where she is. She's very busy. We've discussed it.

[36:04] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, yeah.

[36:07] Kevin McHale: Yeah, we have discussed it.

[36:10] Jenna Ushkowitz: But it's been talked about.

[36:11] Kevin McHale: Yeah, we.

[36:12] Jenna Ushkowitz: With her. Who knows?

[36:13] Kevin McHale: With her.

[36:15] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[36:19] Kevin McHale: Again.

[36:20] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[36:23] Kevin McHale: I don't think Dianna has her phone.

[36:29] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[36:31] Kevin McHale: Do you know what I mean? Fully.

[36:33] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, I don't think she has her phone. This is very much like if you want to come on, cool, no pressure, like whatever the vibes are.

[36:37] Kevin McHale: Yeah.

[36:40] Jenna Ushkowitz: And like she's just always vibrant.

[36:42] Kevin McHale: So yeah, that's right.

[36:44] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. I love every interview that we get, like the little like nuggets that we'll get like of her, like specifically talking about her time on Glee and the way that she talks about it.

[36:46] Kevin McHale: I'm like, oh, she's leaving me wanting more.

[36:48] Jenna Ushkowitz: I want to know because this is, you know, Quinn and Artie are both in their chairs at the skate park. Kevin, my question to you is who was the best at pushing you in your chair and who was the worst at pushing?

[37:00] Kevin McHale: Oh, messy question. The best, probably Jenna or Heather.

[37:04] Jenna Ushkowitz: Okay, I think you guys ended up pushing me the most.

[37:08] Kevin McHale: I feel like in numbers and things, you guys would be responsible for me.

[37:13] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, I think I like being responsible for you.

[37:21] Kevin McHale: I would say maybe Leah was the one. She didn't have a lot of interaction with the wheelchair.

[37:25] Jenna Ushkowitz: Right.

[37:28] Kevin McHale: Uh huh. And so maybe just because of that, nobody was like bad, but she I just the feeling is that she.

[37:36] Jenna Ushkowitz: Like it was superstitious time to practice like she didn't want to be near the wheelchair.

[37:42] Kevin McHale: Got it. Jenna can take over.

[37:44] Jenna Ushkowitz: Exactly.

[37:45] Kevin McHale: I got it.

[37:46] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. So when it comes down to this competition, this feels like an easy layup. But just for the sake of voting, I still haven't found what I'm looking for versus up, up, up. What are we going with?

[37:58] Kevin McHale: Still haven't found.

[38:00] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[38:01] Kevin McHale: One of my favorites. I played up, up, up in the car with my boyfriend a few weeks ago. And he was like, is this is is this an original song? Like, it doesn't feel like totally.

[38:11] Jenna Ushkowitz: These are just these unknown like songs that you're like, I don't know.

[38:16] Kevin McHale: I don't think I'd ever heard this before.

[38:18] Jenna Ushkowitz: I knew the song. It was like it was there for it was like very current.

[38:22] Kevin McHale: Okay, it was like it was that era where there were a lot of these sort of like indie pop groups sort of like coming and going pretty quickly.

[38:29] Jenna Ushkowitz: Got it.

[38:29] Kevin McHale: And it felt nice to like do that type of song with Dianna though, because she loved that kind of music.

[38:34] Jenna Ushkowitz: Right.

[38:34] Kevin McHale: Oh, I remember being so excited.

[38:36] ♪ Musical number: "Whatever Happened to Saturday Night?" — performed by Kevin McHale & Jenna Ushkowitz ♪

[41:03] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh wow, I didn't know that he was supposed to play Frankenfurter.

[41:10] Kevin McHale: Oh yeah, and then Amber had to do it last minute.

[41:16] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, I don't think the network approved it.

[41:20] Kevin McHale: Right, they were not okay with that. But you know what? We got a great Mercedes number out of it. I mean, one of the best.

[41:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: Thank goodness for that.

[41:27] Kevin McHale: Yeah, exactly. John Stamos on the hit Fox show Glee. Did it ever become normal? Were you ever normalized to the fact that these—because I would imagine like Full House was a big deal for y'all.

[41:36] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[41:37] Kevin McHale: That it was like—was it ever normalized when these folks were just coming in casually like this? For John in particular?

[41:40] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, it's—Kevin, go ahead.

[41:46] Kevin McHale: It depends on the person. John, it did become normal, yes.

[41:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: Hmm.

[41:53] Kevin McHale: It was like shocking at first.

[41:54] Jenna Ushkowitz: Very.

[41:55] Kevin McHale: But he's so normal and just like so nice and fully like jumped into the deep end, like immersing himself with like in our group. Just like not even just working together but it's like knocking on our trailers being like, "Hey guys!"

[42:05] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, cute.

[42:06] Kevin McHale: And like sort of like holding court, like wanting to hang out with everybody. And we were obviously like, "Yeah, sure, if you want to spend time with us." And he's also like just a—he's really good at like staying in touch and getting everybody together over the years. So with him like particularly, yeah, it felt nice and normal. Sometimes like people we didn't have as much interaction with, like I would try to be cool around Kate Hudson, but I was still like, "Hmm, she's so cool."

[42:38] Jenna Ushkowitz: She is very cool.

[42:39] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Was there any like celebrities that you were like surprised to find out were starstruck by you? Was anybody starstruck by us? Come on, I don't just—

[42:57] Jenna Ushkowitz: Like a Gleek like us? Because I know like Michelle Williams.

[43:00] Kevin McHale: Birkbeck Mountains to specify white.

[43:08] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, the white Michelle Williams. Yes, she has like—she's a Gleek, you know? Like Adele has been like—

[43:14] Kevin McHale: Yeah, Adele was one because we—Amber had like an email relationship with like friendship with her, of course, during the 21 era. And so we did find out through Amber that like Adele liked the show and that like that was weird.

[43:27] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, that's weird. I could imagine.

[43:33] Kevin McHale: Yeah, it was very strange. I always found that like any guest star, anybody who comes on the podcast who like talks about the show and they're like, "Oh yeah, I watched everything," and I watched—I'm always surprised by that.

[43:46] Jenna Ushkowitz: Me too, in general. I'm like, "Oh wow, you watched our show and you were on it?"

[43:50] Kevin McHale: Yeah, you know? I just—I forget that like I would have been a fan of the show if I watched it, you know what I mean? I wasn't on it, so like I just—I forget about that.

[43:58] Jenna Ushkowitz: But I don't know that anybody else—

[44:06] Kevin McHale: Yeah, yeah, Adele.

[44:07] Jenna Ushkowitz: We just need to put this out here. You are friends with Stephanie Germanotta, otherwise known as Lady Gaga.

[44:11] Kevin McHale: I mean, friends is—

[44:20] Jenna Ushkowitz: You used to be friends for sure.

[44:21] Kevin McHale: Yes, yes. But like I think that—I don't know if I'm the first to call this out or not, but I think—I don't know if you've recorded your episode on Katy Perry yet, but Jenna, you have it that you are on a Lady Gaga and a Katy Perry music video. How is it like? What was it like working on those sets?

[44:37] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh my gosh, dream come true. Big fan of Katy, big fan of Gaga, obviously. I—Katy, I worked—okay, so I hung out with Gaga before I did her video, and it's so weird. We'd like play—

[45:00] Kevin McHale: How did you even like—

[45:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Crossword game. Gaga, so somebody I was dating at the time, his friend was dating Gaga.

[45:05] Kevin McHale: Okay.

[45:13] Jenna Ushkowitz: And so it was just like a double date, if you will. Like she brought over a rotisserie chicken, like happy and like Apples to Apples, and we—

[45:21] Kevin McHale: Wait, she brought over a half-eaten rotisserie?

[45:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: Well, he had eaten some. She's like, "I'm really sorry, I meant to bring over a toaster chicken, but he ate some of it." Okay? And we played Apples to Apples and like went to a bar. It was like very normal and weird.

[45:33] Kevin McHale: Yeah, she's so, so freakin' cool.

[45:40] Jenna Ushkowitz: Can I say my fun fact from that story, if it's the same night?

[45:45] Kevin McHale: Yeah, I don't know if you want me to share.

[45:46] Jenna Ushkowitz: Whatever you guys like. Born This Way album had just come out. Yeah, she played it in the car, and she played it in the car, and we were like, "Yeah, hey guys, do you mind if I just put this on?"

[45:59] Kevin McHale: Yeah.

[46:00] Jenna Ushkowitz: But she's like that. I mean, you know, I've run into a handful of times after that, and she's always so, so kind. And like even when she did America the Beautiful, was it at the Super Bowl the year Coldplay did halftime? We ran into her, and she was like, "How was it?" You're like, "Bitch, you are how? You're a great—beautiful, like per usual, you were great."

[46:21] Kevin McHale: How can I—

[46:22] Jenna Ushkowitz: She's just an artist who really cares, and she really puts time and effort, and you know, obviously it's just really—and it's—I don't know, it seems like it comes easy, but we all have our own the same kind of fears and insecurities and all the things. Anyway, so we became friends, and then after that, thanks to that date, she called and asked if I would do her music video. And so we had said, "Look, I'm under contract. We work every day. You're gonna have to take this up with Ryan if you think you're gonna be able to get me out for two days." She called, he said yes, I was cleared, I went and did it. It was amazing. It was so wild. And then like we were doing this very personal scene in "Marry the Night" that she was directing, and she was telling me about it, and like we really like had to just kind of go there.

And I mean, I was like, "I'll do anything for you, like whatever." Yeah, we were—it was really, really cool experience. Obviously, you don't get to see that. I wish like people could see the whole—like it was like an acting scene. It was like a 10-minute acting scene that we did in the middle of "Marry the Night." And then Gaga was—and Katy was crazy too. It was like all these celebrities and all these people and like awesome, like Gaten Matarazzo was in it, and we were just like kind of there for the ride. And you know, they keep Katy kind of like off on her own trailer and her own thing, and she's obviously so massive at this point, but she was so sweet, and she remembered like Kevin and Darren doing—and she's like, "You guys like work a lot, right?"

[48:02] Kevin McHale: Yeah.

[48:03] Jenna Ushkowitz: It was really, really—

[48:04] Kevin McHale: Perry.

[48:05] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, these music videos are just so fast and furious, though. It's so wild, and you're just there until 1 a.m., and it's normal, and then you go back again and do the same thing again, and you're like, "This is insane," but it's so cool.

[48:14] Kevin McHale: I never asked you, though, Jenna, is because you met Gaga like as a human, as a person, not as the artist.

[48:20] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[48:21] Kevin McHale: But then you got to be really in close proximity to Gaga the artist.

[48:25] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[48:26] Kevin McHale: Like her doing her—like she's very much like, yeah, who crushes music videos like she does, right? And so to be like in an intimate setting with her—

[48:32] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[48:33] Kevin McHale: Like how was that to see?

[48:34] Jenna Ushkowitz: Well, up close or was it because you're familiar with it because you were a fan? So like we've seen the things she had done, and you're professional, or was it like, "Oh God, here she is," like switching into Gaga the artist?

[48:48] Jenna Ushkowitz: It was kind of the same.

[48:49] Kevin McHale: Hmm.

[48:50] Jenna Ushkowitz: She was kind of the same. She was just a little bit more tapped in when we were working, and everybody was just more tapped in, do you know what I mean? You just like—she definitely has a fun side to her, and like we were—you know what I mean? But like it wasn't—she wasn't completely different.

[49:05] Kevin McHale: Yeah.

[49:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's both very vulnerable, very open, very fun, very honest. And because she was directing for the first time, I think people were kind of like, "Oh," you know, just a little bit more cautious and helpful and around her. But yeah, and I think that was the other thing. There's just—she has a million people around her on a video set versus, you know, she came over and it was just the four of us, you know what I mean? Except when we went to the bar, there was like one security. So like it's just different, but she was—yeah, no, it was a cool way to see. I had didn't know what to expect, but it's very cool to watch her just kind of like do her thing and still be the same.

[49:57] Kevin McHale: I have a very stupid question. Are you calling her Gaga or are you calling her Stephanie?

[50:03] Jenna Ushkowitz: Well, I asked her initially. I said, "What would you like us to call you?" And she said, "You can call me either. You can call me Steph or you can call me Gaga."

[50:09] Kevin McHale: Okay.

[50:10] Jenna Ushkowitz: I called her Gaga.

[50:11] Kevin McHale: No, but I felt like I know Gaga. Let me call her, you know, right? She's responsible.

[50:16] Jenna Ushkowitz: Good to know. When Lady Gaga's on the podcast, right, you can refer to her either way.

[50:27] Kevin McHale: Great.

[50:32] Jenna Ushkowitz: I'm going into the final song of the episode. I think you'll know it. Here we go. Share screen. It's a big one.

[50:39] ♪ Musical number: "True Colors" — performed by Jenna Ushkowitz ♪

[51:28] Kevin McHale: And I have to say that, just like "Jump" with the extended MP3 that was released, they did you dirty with the... there is a great run that you do toward the end of this song, that is like ooo, but you don't get it in the television edit. It's beautiful.

[53:21] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, thanks.

[53:50] Kevin McHale: And I have to, I mean like, "True Colors," Gleecast version by Gleecast, is like, if I'm listening to "True Colors" by Cyndi Lauper, I'm turning that off, and I'm going to Gleecast version by Gleecast.

[54:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Really?

[54:02] Kevin McHale: Because it's so good. I'm curious if there are any Glee covers that you are like, ooo, we kind of ate this up, this is better than the original.

[54:10] Jenna Ushkowitz: Kevin, I feel like you have a bunch of those.

[54:16] Kevin McHale: Oh god, oh god, off the top of my head. I think "True Colors," obviously.

[54:22] Jenna Ushkowitz: Wow, you guys.

[54:25] Kevin McHale: It's true.

[54:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: I mean, a vocal, Kevin, a vocal.

[54:29] Kevin McHale: I'm looking on Spotify right now. That's hard.

[54:34] Jenna Ushkowitz: This is really hard.

[54:36] Kevin McHale: Mine.

[54:37] Jenna Ushkowitz: I was just going to say, mine.

[54:41] Kevin McHale: I don't want people to come after me.

[54:43] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, no.

[54:44] Kevin McHale: You know, and also "Valerie." I'm sorry. I mean, I've had people say that to me, and I don't know if, I think it's just as good.

[54:55] Jenna Ushkowitz: Right, fair enough.

[54:56] Kevin McHale: I think "Valerie," and that's a huge, to me that's a big compliment. I think it's just as good.

[55:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Fair enough. I'm going to quell any concern that you have, Kevin, about mine specifically. I mean, like "Valerie," like everybody knows that is kind of the version, the Gleecast. But like, you would think that the Swifties would be mad. But I've talked to some, like, they are Swifties first, and they're like, no, the Naya version is the superior version. So you're not alone.

[55:23] Kevin McHale: I feel like I need to pull up a list of songs.

[55:25] Jenna Ushkowitz: "Jessie's Girl."

[55:26] Kevin McHale: "Jessie's Girl" is one.

[55:27] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, "Jessie's Girl."

[55:28] Kevin McHale: "Jessie's Girl."

[55:29] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[55:30] Kevin McHale: Yum. And also, obviously, because this doesn't fully count, because it's a mashup, but I feel pretty unpretty. Like, if I'm listening to that song, I'm listening to that one.

[55:40] Jenna Ushkowitz: That was crazy.

[55:41] Kevin McHale: One of my favorites. I had Adam and Nicky Anders on last week, and I talked, like, that mashup is so crazy.

[55:51] Jenna Ushkowitz: A TLC song mashed up with West Side Story, in your wildest dreams, it would never be, it just, yeah.

[55:58] Kevin McHale: It's unbelievable. One of my favorites.

[56:00] Jenna Ushkowitz: Crazy. Were there any songs that you were like, damn, I should be singing on this track?

[56:05] Kevin McHale: What, Kevin?

[56:06] Kevin McHale: Oh, I should be singing on this track?

[56:08] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, now you're like, I kind of need that one.

[56:10] Kevin McHale: That happens all the time.

[56:12] Jenna Ushkowitz: Kevin would actually, like, reach out to the writers and be like, hey, could I sing on this a little bit?

[56:16] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Yeah, there were songs that, like, were sentimental to me that I really wanted to be on, and then when we'd get the lyric breakdown of who was singing on it and I wasn't on it, I would be like, I wouldn't speak up in any other department. But when it came to that, I was like, I know this doesn't, and I knew it didn't mess with the story. Because sometimes people got to sing what they got to sing because it's the story. Like, some of those group numbers, it doesn't really matter who's singing. So like, if that's the case, put me in, coach.

[56:46] Jenna Ushkowitz: It was "Let It Be" recently that I learned.

[56:48] Kevin McHale: "Let It Be," "Thriller." I was completely removed from "Thriller." I was like, um.

[56:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: What?

[56:54] Kevin McHale: Why would they do that? Adam told me, he's like, I know you love Michael Jackson, so like, I had been told by him that I was going to be singing it.

[57:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh.

[57:02] Kevin McHale: And when it came to the lyric sheet came out, I was not on it at all. I was most upset that it wasn't a particular song, per se, but I was the most bummed out, I guess, by not doing a Britney song because I was such a Britney fan.

[57:21] Jenna Ushkowitz: And I just feel like I could have killed Britney.

[57:24] Kevin McHale: But I...

[57:25] Jenna Ushkowitz: You had your day the second time around.

[57:27] Kevin McHale: I did. And it wasn't like the Britney that I idolized. It was a little later Britney. Do you know what I mean?

[57:34] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[57:35] Kevin McHale: Yeah. Like, I always wanted to do, like, "Lucky." I would have loved for it to be "Lucky."

[57:39] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, "Lucky."

[57:40] Kevin McHale: Oh, that song. Like, on the star, on the moon, you know, like, just something like that.

[57:44] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yes.

[57:45] Kevin McHale: Yes. But that, I was just the most bummed out, is like, the first Britney that I didn't get to do. But...

[57:50] Jenna Ushkowitz: I was bummed I didn't get to do boy band stuff.

[57:51] Kevin McHale: Right.

[57:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: Well, I did One Direction, but like, NSYNC, NSYNC and Backstreet, I really wanted to.

[57:56] Kevin McHale: Right, the strings. They should have just put you on the strings because, like, it was a dream sequence anyway. Like, that would have...

[58:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: I would have bought it.

[58:02] Kevin McHale: That would have been so much fun.

[58:03] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh, you would have killed it.

[58:04] Kevin McHale: That would have been so good. Um, I need to ask, this is season one, obviously, "True Colors." There is someone in the Glee Club that is never discussed. And that person is Matt Rutherford, played by Dijon Tall, and Dijon, I reached out to on Instagram and I was like, hey, do you want to talk about Glee? And he responded with the nicest message and he was respectfully, it was like, too long, I can't read, respectfully, no. Which, you know, the fact that he even said that was very kind. I know this is probably not even your story to even share, but what was the deal with Matt?

[58:45] Jenna Ushkowitz: I don't think we ever found out either.

[58:49] Kevin McHale: No.

[58:50] Jenna Ushkowitz: You never found out?

[58:51] Kevin McHale: No, we didn't. And we loved Dijon.

[58:53] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah.

[58:54] Kevin McHale: It was, he was so sweet. And I just think maybe they just didn't know what to do with him. It was like another character they didn't know what to do with.

[58:59] Jenna Ushkowitz: But we loved Dijon and we were just like, what happened to Matt Rutherford? We all show up to work and he's not there.

[59:10] Kevin McHale: With you, I've never, it's a burning question that I'm not sure anybody really has the answer to.

[59:19] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, it's crazy.

[59:21] Kevin McHale: Above our pay grade.

[59:22] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, exactly. Way above. We were like, okay, I guess that's not our decision.

[59:25] Kevin McHale: Right.

[59:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. No, but we needed more. He was like, it was so interesting because there was like, there was like season two promotional pictures taken and Dijon was there, but then not in season two.

[59:38] Kevin McHale: I could go on.

[59:39] Jenna Ushkowitz: Must have been heartbreaking too, to like do all that and then not be there.

[59:42] Kevin McHale: I don't know.

[59:43] Jenna Ushkowitz: I know that you guys need to get out. However, with this last competition of "Whatever Happened to Saturday Night" versus "True Colors," what's going forward for you?

[59:54] Jenna Ushkowitz: "True Colors," Kevin.

[59:56] Kevin McHale: I gotta say, it's not just because it's my song. I would say "True Colors" over "Whatever Happened to Saturday Night."

[1:00:03] Jenna Ushkowitz: It might be different otherwise, but I'm going with "True Colors."

[1:00:07] Kevin McHale: "True Colors."

[1:00:08] Jenna Ushkowitz: "True Colors."

[1:00:09] Kevin McHale: Yeah, it is what it is. I mean, it's one of the best numbers you ever did.

[1:00:14] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, that's not true.

[1:00:16] Kevin McHale: It is.

[1:00:17] Jenna Ushkowitz: No, it really is.

[1:00:18] Kevin McHale: It's better than the original.

[1:00:19] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's so good.

[1:00:20] Kevin McHale: It's better than the original.

[1:00:21] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's so, you just sound so good.

[1:00:23] Kevin McHale: That's so nice.

[1:00:24] Jenna Ushkowitz: I don't think that's true.

[1:00:25] Kevin McHale: Thank you.

[1:00:26] Jenna Ushkowitz: I know that you guys leave every episode asking your guests, what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? I'm sending that same question back your way because I've always been so curious.

[1:00:37] Kevin McHale: Oh, no.

[1:00:41] Jenna Ushkowitz: I've actually never really thought about it too deeply. I've dreaded being asked this because people have given some great answers.

[1:00:51] Kevin McHale: Such good answers.

[1:00:52] Jenna Ushkowitz: I cry sometimes listening. I'm not really ever the same one twice. I think I have mine, but I think mine is family.

[1:01:03] Kevin McHale: Okay.

[1:01:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: I think you've said that briefly before.

[1:01:08] Kevin McHale: Have I?

[1:01:09] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah, because that's what it always just feels like that. It just feels we're all so connected and close, and even with people who watch the show, there is this connection. It's a very specific experience to having worked on the show, or if you're a fan of the show, in whatever capacity you're related to the show. It's a family, and it's one of those things. We love it. We can make fun of it because we're family, but we still love it at the end of the day. It was the best experience ever, and we made a new family out of it.

[1:01:49] Kevin McHale: As Vanessa Lynge said when we came back from vacation one time, asked by immigration if she was traveling alone or with friends, she looked in line behind her and said, I'm traveling with my family.

[1:02:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Oh my God.

[1:02:03] Kevin McHale: A new kind of family. I cannot. The ABC family tagline, and we're like, girl, you're going to get us arrested, but that is how we all feel about each other.

[1:02:12] Jenna Ushkowitz: I cannot.

[1:02:13] Kevin McHale: But it's so beautiful.

[1:02:15] Jenna Ushkowitz: That's really funny.

[1:02:19] Kevin McHale: Even this sounds cliche, but it just leaves me with a feeling of deep, profound appreciation. I cannot explain what Glee has given me in my life, in lessons, in emotion, in people. It has formed who I am, and it has given me opportunity in the most unbelievable ways in somebody's life. We've ticked things off our boxes that people dream about for the one thing in their life to accomplish, and I'm just floored by it, that that's something that that gave me. I think that's my word.

[1:03:15] Jenna Ushkowitz: I love that so much, and it's a dream of mine. My high school self is going insane right now, even talking to you guys as many times over as we have at this point. Thank you so much for being as generous as you've been. I do feel like this entire community of fans speaking for them, if they'll allow me to, but it's just the best people I've met, and they are so gracious to you both for being as vulnerable as you've been, like I've said. So thank you so much for your time, and I really, really appreciate it.

[1:03:56] Kevin McHale: Thanks for having us.

[1:03:57] Jenna Ushkowitz: It's always a joy.

[1:03:58] Kevin McHale: Always a joy.

[1:03:59] Jenna Ushkowitz: You're going to get sick of us.

[1:04:00] Kevin McHale: We'll come back again.

[1:04:01] Jenna Ushkowitz: Yeah. Don't be afraid to ask.

[1:04:03] Kevin McHale: We're going to get some nasty competitions.

[1:04:04] Jenna Ushkowitz: I love these blackheads, yes.

[1:04:05] Kevin McHale: Great. We'll be back.

[1:04:06] Jenna Ushkowitz: We'll be back.

[1:04:07] Kevin McHale: All right.

[1:04:09] Jenna Ushkowitz: Nasty.

[1:04:10] Kevin McHale: Perfect.

[1:04:11] Jenna Ushkowitz: Thank you so much.

[1:04:13] Kevin McHale: See you guys later.

[1:04:14] Jenna Ushkowitz: Bye.

[1:04:15] Kevin McHale: Bye.

[1:04:16] Jenna Ushkowitz: Bye.

[1:04:17] Kevin McHale: It's Gleek.

[1:04:18] Jenna Ushkowitz: Gleek of the Week.

[1:04:19] Kevin McHale: Those were good ones today.