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[0:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Today on Support For This Podcast, we speak to Jane Docent, who bravely shares her story chronicling what it's like to live with FOBI—Fear Of Being Included. She'll tell us the virtues of couch life, why she'd make for an unusual cave person, and her quick fix to Romeo and Juliet. You'd be amazed how many plays hinge on a note that didn't get read by somebody, or you know, it's crazy. But why even—I mean, that wouldn't even have been an issue because if you don't make plans with somebody, then they can't go wrong. Join us, won't you? I'm Emily Amy Lauren Becca, and this is Support For This Podcast.

[1:06] Jane Docent: Thank you so much for joining us.

[1:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, thank you. Now, for our listeners who are unfamiliar, can you explain what FOBI is?

[1:16] Jane Docent: Well, for me, I think other people may have other names for it, or there may be—uh, for me, it's fear of being included. You know, it's fear of people asking you to join them in activities, to go out, to have fun—all of these things are very problematic for me. New people, sure, new ideas, new places, new everything. So I think that FOBI is, yeah, it's fear of just being part of things.

[1:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hmm. Now, where were you when you first discovered that you had FOBI?

[1:52] Jane Docent: Um, I think it was when my college roommate asked me to be one of her bridesmaids in her wedding. And I, you know, like her. I like her. And I wanted to do it, but then I realized that I wouldn't know any of the other bridesmaids 'cause she had a lot of friends in high school and stuff. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to spend like an entire extended weekend with these people, and I just had nothing in common with them, that we weren't gonna have any—and I would just be like miserable. I mean, I did it.

[2:27] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[2:30] Jane Docent: But that was when I realized I might have an issue.

[2:37] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hmm. And now, FOBI seems to have sprung up out of other trending anxiety-adjacent disorders. The one that the big one that comes to mind, the star of them all seems to be FOMO—fear of missing out. Do you believe that they're related?

[2:54] Jane Docent: I guess they could be, but it's not anything I've ever felt. You know, I don't care about missing out. I actually don't think I care that much about other people. And I can't decide if that's, you know, a negative thing.

[3:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[3:10] Jane Docent: Or just the fact that I have a very strong personality and maybe I'm just a narcissist, which is—that's a whole other can of beans. But I'm just basically, you know, it's hard for me. I just feel like it's important for me to be as comfortable as possible. So if I'm not included in things, then I at least know where I stand.

[3:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Let me ask you this. Are you on social media? Do you—are you on Instagram, for example?

[3:37] Jane Docent: I'm not on Instagram.

[3:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh. You so don't fear missing out that you are missing out.

[3:44] Jane Docent: You don't think of it as missing out, obviously.

[3:46] Jane Docent: No, I don't. Now, once you recognize your symptoms, you said that that painful experience in college where you realized you did not want to go to your roommate's wedding—you didn't want to be a bridesmaid. You were self-diagnosing yourself.

[3:58] Jane Docent: Yes.

[3:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Correct. Once you were aware of it as a problem—or I shouldn't say problem—um, something that you were dealing with, did you learn about other people suffering from a similar set of emotions regarding social involvement?

[4:13] Jane Docent: You know, I didn't really ask anybody because it's not something that I particularly wanna be a part of. You know, it seems to me that another thing that I fear or object to is just being labeled as part of any kind of a group.

[4:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[4:31] Jane Docent: You know, so then to say, I have this thing, do you have this thing automatically the pressure of like trying to figure out the construct of what that is?

[4:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[4:40] Jane Docent: I just think for me, I just know that I just sort of have to operate in the world as a solo entity and just try to—

[4:49] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[4:49] Jane Docent: You know. So it's like if someone else next to you said, I have FOBI, you would say, I don't.

[4:53] Jane Docent: Or I would say, That's interesting, but I don't think that I would go to the meeting.

[4:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[4:59] Jane Docent: Yeah. Right. Now let me ask you this. If you—let's say your family was in one room and you happened to walk into the room and they were all there, oh, it's my family. We're all here together. If your family sent you a paperless post saying, Hey, come on back home for the weekend, won't you? We're all here. Would that strike up some FOBI in you or not?

[5:25] Jane Docent: I don't think so unless I thought it was gonna be like because we're going to have a surprise party.

[5:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[5:31] Jane Docent: You know, if it was something like that, then I of course I would never do that. But if I just thought we're getting together for dinner, that would be fine.

[5:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[5:40] Jane Docent: Yeah.

[5:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[5:41] Jane Docent: Yeah. It's really—it's like the anticipation of an event, really. It should be fear of, you know, fear of something happening.

[5:51] Jane Docent: Sure. Or, um, I like it when things don't happen.

[5:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's a really great point. That was kind of my next thought. There's kind of a thing going around, a trend where people celebrate when their plans fall through.

[6:09] Jane Docent: Yes.

[6:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And they just think, oh, I'm so happy now I can stay on my couch.

[6:13] Jane Docent: Right.

[6:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And you experience that as well.

[6:16] Jane Docent: I love my couch so much.

[6:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure. It does make you wonder why is everyone so happy when their plans fall through? Not someone with FOBI, just an—you know, I don't want to say a normal person, because what is normal? But would it hurt you if you made a plan with someone and it got canceled and you knew that they were happy that it was canceled?

[6:36] Jane Docent: No. I don't think so.

[6:37] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[6:39] Jane Docent: I think that it's what makes us human. You know, the idea that we're vulnerable and that we—for whatever reason feel we have to get together.

[6:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes. I think what you're saying is interesting because it seems like nowadays everyone's saying, Oh, we should all be together and we should all be friends and coming together. Maybe, maybe some people need to not.

[7:09] Jane Docent: I agree.

[7:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Come together.

[7:10] Jane Docent: Not. Let's just stay on our couches.

[7:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes. Watch our shows.

[7:15] Jane Docent: Yes.

[7:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And that feeling of loneliness that one might experience after hours alone on their couch binge-watching their favorite program, maybe we should stop stigmatizing that feeling. Maybe the crushing loneliness I feel when I'm alone for hours on end, maybe that's good.

[7:35] Jane Docent: Well, I think it's fascinating that you can even recognize it as loneliness. I don't ever feel that. I feel happy and fulfilled.

[7:47] Jane Docent: Sure. When I'm alone doing what I like to do.

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[9:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So the people who experience pleasure when their plans fall through, that could maybe be called FOPA—Fear Of Plans Actually happening.

[9:51] Jane Docent: Oh.

[9:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure. Which you wouldn't associate with those people because you don't like to associate with people.

[9:57] Jane Docent: Right.

[9:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I mean, I would try not to be making plans.

[10:02] Jane Docent: Right.

[10:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know, but I can certainly see that that would be a thing.

[10:07] Jane Docent: Sure.

[10:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And technically, you have FOBI; you always have FOPA.

[10:14] Jane Docent: Yeah.

[10:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I mean, that would be like a little subset, I guess.

[10:18] Jane Docent: Of people who have FOBI.

[10:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[10:20] Jane Docent: You know. I mean, if I did have plans, then of course I would want them not to happen.

[10:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[10:26] Jane Docent: So, you know.

[10:27] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. It's like if you have FOMI, you have FOPA.

[10:31] Jane Docent: FOBI.

[10:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And if you have FOMO, you don't have FOPA or FOBI.

[10:38] Jane Docent: Right.

[10:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Acronyms are hard.

[10:42] Jane Docent: You're right.

[10:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Life is hard.

[10:45] Jane Docent: Yes.

[10:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Which is why we should try to make it more pleasant.

[10:51] Jane Docent: And coming together.

[10:55] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Separately.

[10:56] Jane Docent: Separately.

[10:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: In our houses.

[10:59] Jane Docent: Or in our thoughts.

[11:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure. Let's not even—let's not even think the same things.

[11:07] Jane Docent: Or we could think the same things, but we don't have to physically be together to think them.

[11:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Or talk about it.

[11:15] Jane Docent: No, never.

[11:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[11:17] Jane Docent: No.

[11:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: In a way, it's more meaningful if you don't talk about it.

[11:21] Jane Docent: Hmm.

[11:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Like those 19th-century kind of romance novels where no one gets to express their feelings, and so the stakes are really high.

[11:29] Jane Docent: Yes.

[11:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I think we're losing a lot of important storytelling now because everybody can kind of just say what they think.

[11:36] Jane Docent: Yes. It really, um, when you think of all the plays and the novels that would not ever have been written if people could have been that transparent in the past. Or just, hey, um, Juliet, I'm on my way. Don't do anything drastic. Right. Or even modern day things. You'd be amazed how many plays hinge on a note that didn't get read by somebody, or you know. It's crazy.

[12:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[12:04] Jane Docent: But why even, I mean, that wouldn't even have been an issue. Because if you don't make plans with somebody, then they can't go wrong.

[12:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Wow.

[12:14] Jane Docent: You know what I'm saying? Romeo and Juliet would still be alive today.

[12:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's right.

[12:18] Jane Docent: Or dead hundreds of years ago, but having a lot of people. Theoretically, life they would have had a longer life.

[12:23] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Wow. That's beautiful.

[12:25] Jane Docent: I think so. So I was planning on asking you if there's a cure for phoby, but it sounds like phoby to you is a solution.

[12:33] Jane Docent: Well, it's a way of life. I don't know that it's a solution. It's just how I navigate my life. I don't think that, you know, I certainly wouldn't look down on somebody for not having phoby.

[12:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You wouldn't.

[12:47] Jane Docent: No, of course not. You just wouldn't understand how well it's just not my thing.

[12:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[12:52] Jane Docent: I just, you know, but we're all different. And I feel like for me, phoby is a way of truly being myself.

[13:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, talk me through what happens when you do go to an event, your arm has been twisted, you're there. What what's it like for you? What what do you experience emotionally when you are included despite your best wishes to not be included?

[13:19] Jane Docent: Um, well, I try very hard to find common ground with other people.

[13:27] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Wow.

[13:28] Jane Docent: You know, because we're all in the same place talking for an unspecified amount of time.

[13:35] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[13:35] Jane Docent: And just trying to find, you know, conversational, you know, things to talk about that we might have in common. But I feel like I don't have anything in common with anybody, so that's hard.

[13:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And you know, so we go through that.

[13:49] Jane Docent: It's like I don't want people to hate me.

[13:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[13:53] Jane Docent: But I also I like it better if I could just observe.

[13:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[13:58] Jane Docent: And not it's hard when the thing that you have in common with people, if you have anything in common with them, is for you not to talk to them.

[14:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[14:09] Jane Docent: So to celebrate the not talking apart. I feel that people don't realize the power of quiet.

[14:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And in a way, the intimacy one could have with people when you don't have to talk to them.

[14:28] Jane Docent: Sure. When you're just sharing space in a room and breathing together.

[14:35] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[14:36] Jane Docent: Mm-hmm. Now, if you have successfully avoided an event, you've been invited, you, uh, let's say you make up a reason why you can't make it. Have you ever been caught in a lie wherein the person who invited you finds out that you were available?

[14:53] Jane Docent: No, because I never lie that far off what's really true.

[14:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[14:59] Jane Docent: Yeah. Uh, honestly, I maybe I shouldn't tell you this because then other people might hear it and know that, well, anyway, these are my, um, big excuses and you'd be amazed how you're not challenged on these.

[15:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[15:13] Jane Docent: One is they're pretty much the same thing. One is I have food poisoning.

[15:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[15:19] Jane Docent: Yeah, and the other one is an attack of terrible diarrhea and I can't leave my house.

[15:24] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[15:25] Jane Docent: So they're not too different from each other.

[15:27] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[15:28] Jane Docent: And they're hard not they're hard to disprove.

[15:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's very true.

[15:32] Jane Docent: Yeah. And also people don't like to talk about it.

[15:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[15:34] Jane Docent: So they don't talk about it. There's a certain amount of shame.

[15:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[15:39] Jane Docent: You know, because you couldn't say, let's say something else that people really don't want to be next to is pink eye, but you can't what are you, you know, short of putting pink makeup on your eyeball. It doesn't work either.

[15:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[15:50] Jane Docent: It's not that I haven't thought of it, but it just doesn't work. You can't sustain it.

[15:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know, shingles are good, shingles are good.

[15:57] Jane Docent: Oh.

[15:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Because they can be hidden.

[16:00] Jane Docent: They can be hidden.

[16:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know you can catch it from somebody.

[16:04] Jane Docent: Right.

[16:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[16:05] Jane Docent: And it sounds a lot scarier than contact dermatitis or something.

[16:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[16:10] Jane Docent: Which can be, uh, very unpleasant in its own way.

[16:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, I am sure maybe.

[16:14] Jane Docent: Maybe I should research that.

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[16:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, um, are you currently in a relationship?

[17:02] Jane Docent: Oh no.

[17:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[17:04] Jane Docent: Okay. Not what I would call a relationship.

[17:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[17:07] Jane Docent: I think you'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't be surprised to find out that it's very easy to hook up when you have phoby.

[17:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[17:16] Jane Docent: Yes. Because you know you don't have to see them again.

[17:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I see.

[17:22] Jane Docent: Yeah. Not much talking involved anyway.

[17:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Not much talking involved.

[17:26] Jane Docent: And so you don't have to spend any time getting to know a person.

[17:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[17:31] Jane Docent: Yeah. And there's no emotional fallout because you didn't want to talk to them in the first place.

[17:35] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[17:36] Jane Docent: You're not waiting by the phone, hoping they'll come back.

[17:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, I don't hoping they'll text.

[17:39] Jane Docent: I don't care.

[17:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Tag you and something.

[17:41] Jane Docent: No.

[17:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, do you think we all have a bit of phoby inside of us?

[17:47] Jane Docent: I can't imagine not having phoby inside of me.

[17:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So I would assume that everybody might have a little bit of phoby.

[17:53] Jane Docent: Sure. It's like being a little bit gay.

[17:55] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I think that phoby is actually a good thing to have in a small amount because it would protect you from certain situations.

[18:07] Jane Docent: Right.

[18:12] Jane Docent: Maybe not in caveman times.

[18:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Unless you were really good at hunting and gathering.

[18:17] Jane Docent: You could do it all.

[18:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right. Make a fire.

[18:20] Jane Docent: Right. Draw on the side of the cave.

[18:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[18:22] Jane Docent: There's, I mean, there's so many parts of being a caveman. Like I, you know, like maybe not all of them could hunt, you know, some of them had to gather.

[18:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, that's why I think the togetherness idea came out of was, you know, here I'll do this, you'll do that.

[18:36] Jane Docent: Right.

[18:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But if you didn't care about, you know, vegetables or grains.

[18:40] Jane Docent: Sure.

[18:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know, you could just eat meat and a paleo kind of a paleo exactly.

[18:46] Jane Docent: Right.

[18:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know, you go and you get your water and you have your meat and you build your fire.

[18:51] Jane Docent: Great.

[18:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And then you use the charcoal and you draw a little horse on the wall.

[18:55] Jane Docent: And who knew if they were even talking that much anyway?

[18:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We don't know what they were talking about.

[18:59] Jane Docent: That's right.

[19:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We don't know.

[19:01] Jane Docent: No.

[19:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Maybe some yelling and screaming when being chased by wild animals or something.

[19:08] Jane Docent: Yeah, I don't really sense that they had a big, you know, theatrical tradition.

[19:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hmm.

[19:13] Jane Docent: Yeah.

[19:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Who needs to talk?

[19:15] Jane Docent: You can just survive.

[19:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[19:16] Jane Docent: Yes. Would you ever want to do one of those, uh, survivor shows?

[19:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[19:21] Jane Docent: Oh.

[19:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But what about—

[19:23] Jane Docent: Why would I do that?

[19:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Do you know what that's about?

[19:26] Jane Docent: Survival?

[19:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes, but you would be trapped with other people.

[19:29] Jane Docent: I see, I see.

[19:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: How about, um, how about Castaway? Like the Tom Hanks situation.

[19:33] Jane Docent: Oh.

[19:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Would that be more appealing?

[19:37] Jane Docent: I think so, yes.

[19:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Would you have a Wilson?

[19:40] Jane Docent: I don't know.

[19:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hmm.

[19:41] Jane Docent: Because he wouldn't talk.

[19:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[19:45] Jane Docent: But see, Tom needed to talk.

[19:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[19:48] Jane Docent: You don't need to—I don't know if I would need that.

[19:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I don't know if I would need to find something and paint a little face on it.

[19:55] Jane Docent: Sure.

[19:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know.

[19:56] Jane Docent: Maybe maybe a career as an astronaut.

[19:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, could be something the younger people, uh, with phoby.

[20:03] Jane Docent: Not to say you couldn't now transition.

[20:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, but here's the thing about, again, about being an astronaut.

[20:09] Jane Docent: It would involve being chosen.

[20:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It would involve being selected.

[20:15] Jane Docent: Yes.

[20:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Then you'd be part of a little group.

[20:18] Jane Docent: Not to mention, let's say it all goes well, they have a parade for you and you get back.

[20:23] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, I just wouldn't go.

[20:24] Jane Docent: I mean, you can get food poisoning in Houston just like anywhere else.

[20:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I would imagine maybe even more.

[20:31] Jane Docent: Sure.

[20:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It's so humid there.

[20:33] Jane Docent: How do they keep the food safe?

[20:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So true, so true.

[20:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: What what gave you the power or the what what gave you the power to show up today to do this interview?

[20:41] Jane Docent: 'Cause it means a lot to me and to all of the tens of listeners, uh, for this podcast.

[20:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um, ones of listeners maybe, uh, that you came here today to speak about it.

[20:53] Jane Docent: I came because I knew it wasn't going to be a whole group of people.

[20:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: With phoby.

[21:00] Jane Docent: Because then I would be part of a group of people with a label, and then we would all be trying to.

[21:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm like her. I'm not like him.

[21:11] Jane Docent: I don't like that comparison of, you know, personality.

[21:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Because we're here together, but we're very different.

[21:19] Jane Docent: So it's like—and we're not friends.

[21:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[21:21] Jane Docent: And I take it that we will not be.

[21:24] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[21:25] Jane Docent: Sure.

[21:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, that's fine.

[21:28] Jane Docent: That that's nothing new.

[21:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: For me.

[21:31] Jane Docent: Or me.

[21:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[21:33] Jane Docent: Sorry.

[21:35] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um, are there certain people in the world that you wish had phoby who don't have it?

[21:40] Jane Docent: Like my mother?

[21:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well.

[21:43] Jane Docent: There are people who get very upset when they're not invited to certain things.

[21:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And they tell the people who didn't invite them that they're upset about it.

[21:52] Jane Docent: What do you think of those people?

[21:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my entire life.

[21:57] Jane Docent: Oh, well.

[21:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's what?

[22:00] Jane Docent: Have a big birthday party or, um, why would I do that?

[22:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: A wedding.

[22:05] Jane Docent: I would never do that.

[22:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[22:07] Jane Docent: Well, thank you so much for joining us.

[22:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It's been a real pleasure, and I know we'll never see each other again, but—

[22:14] Jane Docent: No.

[22:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I like you.

[22:16] Jane Docent: Oh.

[22:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I don't ever want to see you again.

[22:18] Jane Docent: Oh, you sound like my exes.

[22:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I don't have any exes.

[22:25] Jane Docent: Well, that in a way is really nice.

[22:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I think so.

[22:31] Jane Docent: To find out more about Jane Docent, best of luck.

[22:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And if you do, let me know.

[22:38] Jane Docent: Even though she wants nothing to do with me.

[22:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm your host, Emily Amy Lauren Becca.

[22:42] Jane Docent: Thanks for listening.

[22:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And as always, for supporting Support For This Podcast.