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[0:04] Jason A. Coombs: Hello everyone, welcome to Survival Jobs: a podcast.

[0:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: We are your hosts, Jason A. Coombs and Samantha Tuozzolo.

[0:12] Jason A. Coombs: Samantha, how are you?

[0:15] Samantha Tuozzolo: Jason. Happy, happy 48th episode, by the way.

[0:19] Jason A. Coombs: Sick.

[0:20] Samantha Tuozzolo: This is 48.

[0:21] Jason A. Coombs: Yes, it is.

[0:22] Samantha Tuozzolo: Wow, we're almost at 50.

[0:24] Jason A. Coombs: That's so exciting.

[0:25] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's crazy.

[0:27] Jason A. Coombs: Who knew as Pink would say?

[0:30] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's a Pink song, I guess you can.

[0:32] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you.

[0:33] Samantha Tuozzolo: I do. You know what? I didn't, it didn't click right away, but I have seen Pink in concert.

[0:38] Jason A. Coombs: And by in concert, I mean like on the morning series on the Today Show years ago with my mom up at 4 a.m.

[0:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: Was she doing the trapeze stuff?

[0:46] Jason A. Coombs: Did I ever see her in concert? I feel like I did, but I think I'm dreaming. I think I just saw her at the Today Show.

[0:52] Samantha Tuozzolo: She was not doing the trapeze at the Today Show.

[0:54] Jason A. Coombs: But shout out to the Today Show concert series.

[0:57] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yes.

[0:58] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, I love those.

[0:58] Samantha Tuozzolo: I was gonna say, fun fact, Pink was my first ever concert.

[1:02] Jason A. Coombs: When I was in high school, yeah, before she started doing the trapeze stuff.

[1:05] Samantha Tuozzolo: Wow, that's pretty cool.

[1:07] Jason A. Coombs: My first ever concert was Aerosmith when I was seven because my mom's a mega fan.

[1:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: And I'll be going to their concert in two weeks at Fenway Park with my mom.

[1:18] Jason A. Coombs: So shout out to Aerosmith and shout out to my mom.

[1:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[1:22] Jason A. Coombs: That bitch gets a shout out every episode.

[1:24] Samantha Tuozzolo: Because she listens.

[1:25] Jason A. Coombs: That's good.

[1:27] Samantha Tuozzolo: So tell us about Grey's Anatomy.

[1:30] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you, Jason. Let's keep it moving because I blab and blab and blab. Okay, I just really wanted to quickly talk about Grey's Anatomy because I know it's old news, but I started watching from season one, episode one in June, and I got so hooked.

[1:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm now on season eight.

[1:48] Jason A. Coombs: And I just want to say, shout out to Sandra Oh and Chandra Wilson. I mean, the whole cast is stellar. I think like it came to me now because the acting is so good.

[1:54] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[1:59] Jason A. Coombs: And I'm like, what's going on? And how have I, as a huge Scandal and How to Get Away with Murder and Shondaland fan, like, how have I not watched Grey's all these years?

[2:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: So I'm obsessed and I'm binging it and I love it. But I did want to say something because in our episode that's we're going to play for you guys shortly with Julia Murney, Queen Icon, Broadway Star, we talk about people being confused about musicals.

[2:24] Jason A. Coombs: Like, hey, that didn't seem real. Like, no shit. People don't break out into song in real life. I just watched this episode of Grey's where it's a full musical.

[2:33] Samantha Tuozzolo: Okay.

[2:34] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, like season seven, I believe.

[2:37] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, you know what I'm talking about?

[2:38] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, I stopped watching it before then, but I do remember that there was a musical episode.

[2:41] Samantha Tuozzolo: The musical episode.

[2:44] Jason A. Coombs: I don't want to ever talk negatively about Grey's Anatomy or about art. The musical episode really shocked me. Stay with me.

[2:54] Samantha Tuozzolo: Don't quite know how to say.

[3:04] Jason A. Coombs: I was like, we're in full surgery and we're just singing.

[3:08] Samantha Tuozzolo: Um yeah, that happened a lot in like the late 90s, like early 2000s. A lot of these like really random musical episodes. I don't understand why.

[3:17] Jason A. Coombs: But um yeah, yeah.

[3:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's I just thought of I thought about that during the episode of Julia.

[3:26] Jason A. Coombs: No.

[3:27] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, they were like they were with these songs. They were like, if I lay here, if I just lay here, like that.

[3:29] Jason A. Coombs: If I just lay here.

[3:38] Samantha Tuozzolo: Would you lie with me?

[3:41] Jason A. Coombs: And just forget the world.

[3:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's one of them. I can't think of anything else.

[3:48] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow. Thank you for my vocals.

[3:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: This monitor is a Buffy the Vampire Slayer musical that's actually really fantastic because it actually serves the plot and like the world of Buffy.

[3:57] Jason A. Coombs: And it's like one of the most critically acclaimed episodes of television, like ever.

[4:01] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's uh great. It's called Once More, with Feeling. Shout out to Buffy fans out there, but yeah, all these other shows like did that, and it's so weird.

[4:10] Jason A. Coombs: It was weird. It took me I was laughing. It was like such a dramatic episode. Like, I don't want to spoil it in case anyone's gonna pick up, just like I did. One of the main characters is hurt badly, and it's like very scary.

[4:22] Samantha Tuozzolo: And I was like, what is happening? I was like so upset, and then they start breaking into full song, and I was those vocals are incredible.

[4:31] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, yeah, she's great. Sarah Ramirez like was melting for her life, but I was laughing because I was like, this is not in Grey's, this is not Graysland, guys.

[4:40] Samantha Tuozzolo: Graysland, Graysland, yeah.

[4:43] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you. That's all that's my rant. That's my spiel for today.

[4:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: Well, I just want to say, because also in the episode that everyone's gonna listen to, Julia talked about or you, Angeli were talking about, like, when people were like, oh, you're an actor, like what have I seen you in?

[4:56] Jason A. Coombs: And I recently was speaking at my old high school to these like 11th graders about like being an actor. So I came in and they were like, the lady, oh, my old teacher introduced me.

[5:06] Samantha Tuozzolo: I was gonna say the lady, my old tree she introduced me. She's like, oh, just Jason, he's originally he went to high school here, and he's an actor and he's working on this, and then they were like, wait, are you in Hamilton? Are you in Hamilton? Are you in Hamilton?

[5:19] Jason A. Coombs: I was like, I was like, no, I'm not in Hamilton. But I you should have said that I am on Broadway Walk. I'm on Broadway.

[5:25] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, it was before we had that joke, so I didn't get to say that. But it was so funny that like three kids are just like all excited about Hamilton. And then they were like, are you in Hamilton? Are you in Hamilton?

[5:36] Jason A. Coombs: You should have just said yeah.

[5:37] Samantha Tuozzolo: You should have just said yes, I'm an understudy.

[5:39] Jason A. Coombs: I should have just said that. I should have been like, I am the I am yes, George Washington in Hamilton.

[5:45] Samantha Tuozzolo: You're like, I am Alexander Hamilton, and I'm not throwing away my shot.

[5:49] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you.

[5:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[5:51] Jason A. Coombs: You're like, I was in Hamilton at the church.

[5:57] Samantha Tuozzolo: That was funny.

[5:58] Jason A. Coombs: That was funny, Samantha.

[5:59] Samantha Tuozzolo: Thank you.

[6:00] Jason A. Coombs: Sometimes I really land.

[6:02] Samantha Tuozzolo: Sometimes I really can be on, and sometimes I can't.

[6:04] Jason A. Coombs: But I guess I'll be at Hamilton at whatever church that was.

[6:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's really funny.

[6:08] Jason A. Coombs: I'm gonna say that next time.

[6:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, yeah. Actually, I was at that church production.

[6:11] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, you didn't hear about it?

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[9:53] Samantha Tuozzolo: Overcast Sunday.

[9:54] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[9:56] Samantha Tuozzolo: Very nice.

[9:57] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, thank God.

[9:58] Samantha Tuozzolo: We need it.

[9:59] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[9:59] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's very nice.

[10:00] Jason A. Coombs: When I walked her this morning, I was very pleasant.

[10:03] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, okay, Sunday.

[10:06] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, Sunday.

[10:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: We're here for it.

[10:08] Jason A. Coombs: We're here for it.

[10:10] Samantha Tuozzolo: Wait, I just need to show you.

[10:12] Jason A. Coombs: I know this is appropriate of nothing, but I mean, look at yes, that's Peppa, who's watching.

[10:19] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, yes. She's so star and she's such a good girl.

[10:23] Jason A. Coombs: She's actually the star of the show, you guys.

[10:24] Samantha Tuozzolo: For those of you just listening, this is the cutest dog ever.

[10:29] Jason A. Coombs: I cannot.

[10:30] Samantha Tuozzolo: I can, I cannot, and I will not.

[10:32] Jason A. Coombs: Second part of the show is we have the interview with the dog.

[10:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: So buckle up, everyone. It's gonna be great time.

[10:38] Jason A. Coombs: I'm distracting you.

[10:40] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's your podcast now, I promise.

[10:42] Jason A. Coombs: No, no.

[10:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's your podcast today, girl.

[10:44] Jason A. Coombs: You're the star always.

[10:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, anyway. Our podcast is Survival Jobs, and this podcast was born out of inspiration, right? Trying to find the inspiration for artists of all kinds to keep going, no matter what your survival job may be or where you are in your career.

[11:02] Jason A. Coombs: So we're so fortunate to have you. And that leads into my first question. Do you have like a favorite survival job that has impacted your career so far?

[11:10] Julia Murney: Um I mean, I've been very, very lucky and privileged to—oh, all right, sorry, to rub a belly whenever the belly requests it.

[11:23] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[11:25] Julia Murney: I uh I have—I'm gonna make sure I'm not lying.

[11:32] Julia Murney: I'm not lying. Uh I have not ever had to have a job outside of show business since I started moving to business.

[11:41] Julia Murney: Now let me be clear.

[11:43] Julia Murney: Well, sure, but yes, and yes, and the privilege comes in that I am highly aware of. My—I grew up here in New York, and my parents lived in—they moved when I was in college within the city, and I moved back in with them for almost 10 years.

[12:05] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow.

[12:06] Julia Murney: And I lived in this little—it was a decent sized apartment, but I didn't have a bedroom because I had younger brother, younger sister, like they had bedrooms. I was in college.

[12:15] Jason A. Coombs: You were couch surfing.

[12:17] Julia Murney: So I—well, I had—I was bequeathed a um I think once upon a time, it was like a pantry or a maid's room or something like that. It was one of those, it was off of my sister's bedroom, which once was the kitchen, that kind of thing.

[12:32] Julia Murney: And you could only—you could walk into it and sit, there was a little love seat in a window.

[12:38] Julia Murney: That's where the bed came from from the love seat. And if you wanted to walk into the room, you had to roll that sucker back up.

[12:45] Julia Murney: Because you fully couldn't walk without the bed out. And I lived, and it was so—I'm not saying like whoa, poor me, I had a love seat that I slept on. It was fine. I lived there for almost 10 years because it allowed me to save money.

[12:59] Julia Murney: So that was that combined with—I would—my dad was an actor and is an actor, and um he was a big voiceover guy, and I got into voiceovers pretty early and just at the time was very lucky to sort of start making my living doing that.

[13:23] Julia Murney: So that um that bridged me.

[13:28] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[13:29] Julia Murney: So in terms of while living as a grown-up person, I mean, when I was in college, I was a waitress, I was a hostess, I was a switchboard operator, which I feel that neither of you nor any of your watchers know what it is.

[13:47] Jason A. Coombs: Wait, if you watch Mrs. Maisel though, okay, good, good.

[13:51] Julia Murney: Okay. It was an oldie timey switchboard with the thingies.

[13:59] Julia Murney: And there was a woman. What was her name?

[14:02] Julia Murney: It was like, it was something like Gladys.

[14:08] Julia Murney: It may not have been so many those as Gladys, but it was something attracts. It was at a Greek shipping company called Orion and Global.

[14:17] Julia Murney: And Gladys had to go and get her feet done.

[14:20] Julia Murney: What did that mean? Unclear to this day. But she had to go get her feet. Not a pedicure, like a surgery. And so I filled in for Gladys for a month while she got her surgery and um and and recovered. And I had to connect through the boop, boop, boop, boop, boops, like Orion and Global, may I help you? Like that. Um but I would but people, it was they were Greek. The shipping company was partially based in Greece and partially based in Atlanta, and I guess also based in New York, since that's where I was doing. And sometimes like one of the senior, I think their last name was Papadopoulos of the of the company. But it was like it was like George Papadop, it was Papa Senior, Papa Junior, that's what everyone was called, like that.

But sometimes one of them would call from Greece, and I was supposed to connect them to Atlanta. Oh my god. That wasn't always successful on my part. Where to connect them to. I don't, I think I just disconnected them. And Gladys was, you know, like I don't know, in her 60s or something, and she had been there forever. So she's like, and then this moron came in. And yeah. Like people are waiting like 20 minutes to get connected.

[15:46] Jason A. Coombs: Wow, we're the last two episodes, including yours, uh, we set some survival job records. We've never had a switchboard operator survival job. So you're first.

[15:56] Julia Murney: I love it. Last week we had a maid. Now we have a switchboard operator.

[16:03] Jason A. Coombs: Lisa Lampanelli.

[16:04] Julia Murney: Oh my gosh! Was she a good maid?

[16:09] Jason A. Coombs: I mean, I was not a very good switchboard operator, that's why I ask.

[16:13] Julia Murney: I just wonder like if she I don't, you know, it was unclear if she was a good maid. I have friends who she's prideful in it. Would would be good. I mean, have said they're like, I'd be an excellent maid. Because you know, there are some people who are very fastidious.

[16:29] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So switchboard operators, like such a fierce survival job to share. Thank you. You know, I feel I feel like when we have guests on, we always forget to talk about like coaching and and and like teaching is is a survival job as well. Do you do any like coachings or classes or can you tell us a little bit about that?

[16:51] Julia Murney: I do do that. I don't do it um like I don't have a studio or you know, uh an ongoing class or anything like that. Um I do do private um audition prep, that kind of stuff. Uh by audition prep, I mean like literally prep. I don't like I'm not like try all of these songs. I don't know about songs. I'm not good with the catalog, but I'm good with the let's figure out why you're singing this and how and and we can work on just you singing the song or you bringing that song into an audition and trying to which is a different skill entirely than for sure. Than doing the song because sadly you have to be good at the audition part. Sadly.

[17:37] Julia Murney: And I and I love doing master classes. Like sometimes I've gone to universities or different communities and done master classes, which are really fun. But I also feel like at some point I when I was just out of school, um, oh sorry, someone hello. What is it I can do for you? She's like, um, mom, stop talking to these strangers and pay attention to me. Oh, okay. Look at it. Look at it. Baby in the bosom. She just wants some attention. Sword to God she knows. She she this is worth getting on camera for.

[18:25] Julia Murney: Um, but at some point I realized or decided that I think that coaching and teaching and all of that is still inside a giant umbrella called working in show business. So to me, it's not exact. I mean, it is it is absolutely a survival job in that you're like, I'll do that because I'll take that cash. I mean, I think that makes it a survival job, right? Sure. But um X, yep. But also it's not okay, I'll go be a cashier at Christians, I'll take that cash. Right. With again, nothing wrong with a cashier at Christians, but that's definitely outside the umbrella of the thing. And I feel like the more you can realize that very few people just make their living just let's say on stage. You know, the people who who are lucky enough to make their living on stage also teach or you know, what whatever.

[19:27] Jason A. Coombs: Mama's trying to be deep, and you're just she was gonna okay. Oh, she's done. She's done. She's like, I made my appearance, and now I'm just gonna go up to her perch. You ready? You ready? We're all here for and now that's actually like a fierce spot, like the sun is hitting so nice. She watches the world go by and trust during that pandy. We sat here, I call it pandy. I'm cute when it's simply not, but simply not exactly that, so she's in the frame. Um, yeah, we sat here a lot, she and I, but uh yeah, so no, that it does make total sense, like it is a part of of performing, and also I feel that it's not like your responsibility to teach, right? But someone of your talent and with your resume and your like whole career, like how beautiful that you will share your your wisdom with people.

[20:30] Julia Murney: I love it. I I find it so um satisfying, it's so satisfying when you're working with somebody and they feel like they have had uh an aha breakthrough moment. Yeah, think that you were at all a part of that is really really satisfying, and where it's different from being on stage is that you never know who you may be affecting doing something on stage, and I don't think it matters if you are a green witch or the fourth monkey from the left. Like somebody might be watching that fourth monkey from the left and being like, I want to do that, I want to be that monkey, you know, like but you may never know. You may never meet that monkey, may never meet that person who went, I want to be that. When you're teaching, the person who is affected by what you're doing is standing in front of you or zooming in front of you, and it's there in real time.

[21:35] Julia Murney: So it's a different kind of satisfaction that yeah, like that instant like gratification from it. Yeah, it's really cool. And I I mean there I had always heard this phrase called uh now I'm gonna mess it up. Uh the those who don't those who can't teach, like the inference being I heard this, let's be clear, in the 80s in college when everyone was a bitch. By that I mean the world was different. I mean, no joke. Right before I got to that school, this did this spot got abolished right before I got there. There were fat lists. They would put lists up on the call board who needed to lose weight, so trust it was different time in your college, can you imagine?

[22:24] Jason A. Coombs: Wow, yikes.

[22:24] Julia Murney: It was straight up called a fat list. I do to be fair, I doubt they called it a fat. But but the story is told to me was oh well, we used to have fat lists, so to be fair, I they may have just called it like a nutrition or FYI, or I don't know. Yeah, wow. But um wow, but yeah, um times have changed, but so you know but the the notion of those who can't teach, I think was like if you couldn't make it, then you would go and teach, yeah. Which is a bunch of I'm probably can't curse, and I already said which you can't at all, you can't again, yeah. It's a bunch of shit.

[23:14] Julia Murney: Yeah, I mean it's not like that's that's utterly untrue. And it's so untrue. And and the reasons that people teach, for example, are myriad. I mean, as a survival job, as a and then we can like riff off of that as a joyful thing that fills you up. You may very well find that it fills you up more than having to hustle to then proceed to do eight shows a week and break your body in half. Correct, it's not for the week, y'all. I'm here to tell you it is not for the week. And so, you know, just the assumption that a teacher who may have won sore is sidebar, also an actor is somehow not making it or not fulfilled, but like you don't know, you don't know their life, step down because it's not. Are you learning from that person? Are you getting what you need? That's all you need to worry about.

[24:24] Jason A. Coombs: I I've talked about this a few times on the podcast, so sorry to the faithful listeners, but I'm a big Marishka Hargate fan, and she says something in a speech once like the education of an artist never ends, and I think that goes off of like artists teaching artists teaching artists. Like I've substituted therapy sessions with seeing my acting coach because it's like it like does something for me.

[24:47] Julia Murney: Very good. That's like so much more than just like breaking a monologue down. And it's also like to be clear, it is tiring. It's also not for the week, the teaching. Because it is a therapy, it always has been for me. And sometimes you're just like, I'm just working on that and working it through. But like easily half the time, it's filled with whatever self-doubt or not being able to crack a code or the frustration that you you you I don't know, audition for the show five times and they want to see you again, but why don't they just give you the role or whatever it is, and and the as the teacher, as the coach, you can't be like, great, get over that. So let's get you know, yeah.

[25:33] Julia Murney: I mean, I think sometimes there needs to be I'm not there to be your therapist. Sure. And so I think there is a line in between. Yeah. And today's today's young folk feel a lot of feelings. Yeah. We we we were just we were just kind of like about those for a while, and which I think is both great, and we can maybe modify a little. That's what Lisa was saying, something very similar last week. It's it's amazing. I I think the reason I I hate to keep saying it, but it's just true. The reason older folk like me sometimes react in a little bit of a what way is because it's so foreign to the way not that we were indoctrinated or with many of us anyway, like, or like whipped into shape or anything like that, uh, unless you came up in ballet, frankly.

[26:30] Julia Murney: You know, but um, but you just learned this is what you do, and I do I still believe that there are certain instances where we could buck up a little bit, we could put our big boy pants on a little bit and just do it. Um, just get through and then get through the show, whatever. I mean, the situations are always different, but like get through the thing and then you can feel the thing. You can work that out. But there's also a very such an interesting world now, open to young actors of feeling. It's a this is not I'm about to make an equation that is not true. It is this is not an equal equation in any way. Got it.

[27:29] Julia Murney: So that being said the whole thing that's going on right now with the forgiveness of the student loans. Wait for it. There is a I'm gonna find it. Here we go. Giraffes, uh, but um the people don't know our giraffe joke. Uh, but the people who are jumping up and down and going, why I paid mine, you should have to pay yours. It is that exactly how it works. I think I feel like it's similar to people who've been in uh I'm gonna I'll be dramatic and call it abusive relationships. People who live through fat lists. There, we'll just put it simple. Like people who live through fat lists are like, well, I got through the fat lists, I worked my way through it. What do you mean you can't XYZ? And you don't just because you had a hardship doesn't mean that everyone else who goes through what you're going through has to have the same hardship.

[28:33] Julia Murney: Facts. But it's hard to drop. Because if you are a survivor of said hardship, you don't want your survival to be negated.

[28:44] Julia Murney: Yeah. I don't think it's conscience conscious. But does that make sense?

[28:50] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, that does make sense.

[28:51] Julia Murney: So it's not an equitable comparison to the school loans, but that's what just came into my head. Was it's that kind of reaction. It's like hazing in a fraternity or a sorority. Like you get hazed and have to do something horrendous, and you survived, and then you're an upperclassman, and now you're the person in power. So now I'm gonna, even though this thing was horrible, how about just don't do the horrible? Why do you have to do a horrible thing to be part of a group?

[29:22] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[29:24] Julia Murney: Right. You know, so and again, show business in general is not for the weak, and you've gotta figure out how to thicken your skin to a certain degree. But as long as I've been doing this, I have like a really thick skin, but check my time, check what time it is, because I might have skin like rice paper. And it because it's not you're you never have a hold on it.

[29:54] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, you always staying that toughness, yeah.

[29:57] Julia Murney: You know, you keep trying to wrestle it down and it will always oh yeah. Because you're like human, yeah. You're a human, you're the product. You're the person saying, please pick me. And even though it's actually almost always not personal, believe it or not, that much I have learned, it still feels personal.

[30:16] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[30:18] Julia Murney: Over here, you know, and you're like, what about me? What about me? What's wrong with me?

[30:23] Jason A. Coombs: Right.

[30:23] Julia Murney: And nothing's wrong with you. Yeah. You've done the work and you've done everything you know you could do, then see it upsets her. She can't. Uh she can't do show business. She's like, I gotta go.

[30:36] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, stretching.

[30:38] Julia Murney: Stretch though, she has a good stretch. Um, yeah, and then if you're prepared, you can't be lazy and be like, why don't I get everything I want? You know, and I think that's true in anything. But if you're doing the work and you're then there's and sometimes oh, this is a horrible thing to say, but I'm just gonna say it. And sometimes that break never comes.

[31:05] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, but that's the truth.

[31:06] Julia Murney: Why it's a part of it. Extremely talented people that I know that never felt like they got to a part where not a not in I don't mean a role, but like a a level, I guess, that they wanted to be at. And that feeling of like, why not me? Why shouldn't it be me? You're right, it should be you. Unfortunately, there are more talented people than there are slots to put them into.

[31:35] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[31:37] Julia Murney: Which is why I like to say, you know, Broadway's not everything. It's great. Don't don't get me wrong. It's it's neat and it's kind of magical in its ways. It's also if you I've been in a huge flop, I've been on Broadway specifically, I've been in a huge flop and I've been in a huge hit. And both are difficult in different ways.

[32:04] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow, yeah.

[32:05] Julia Murney: Both are a job in the end. Like if you're in a long run, if you're in a wicked, you hit like three months or something, or depending, whatever it is for you, but like where your body's like, I'm sorry, we're gonna do this again. You know, I'm good.

[32:21] Jason A. Coombs: You know, I'm good.

[32:23] Julia Murney: And it's sometimes it's your brain. You know, your brain, you just need hence the mental health day.

[32:30] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, for sure.

[32:31] Julia Murney: It literally wasn't a thing when I was in Wicked. I mean, it's that recent. And it it could have had I wouldn't have called it that, you know, I wouldn't have known what to call it. I remember an ex-boyfriend of mine had been in chorus line, the like the very end of the original run.

[32:49] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow.

[32:50] Julia Murney: And when he went into the show, um, I I think he said it was like two months in or something, he went to stage management and he was like, I'm wondering if I can just take a personal day. I don't, I just I feel like I'm having some anxiety or something. I don't know. And they were like, how long have you been here? And he was like, two months. They're like, yes, that's right. Because in a chorus line, two months was like the breaking point because you're standing there.

[33:18] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[33:18] Julia Murney: Listening to these monologues all week long. As opposed to I've done my monologue, now I'm gonna go in the wings and read a book.

[33:30] Jason A. Coombs: Right.

[33:31] Julia Murney: And then or now go on my phone, you know.

[33:33] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[33:33] Julia Murney: Right. And instead, you have to stand there, you have to be present. You have to give your energy to the person doing the monologue. You also have to realize, oh, who am I playing and who how does they how to whatever? But at chorus line, the stage manager just knew he was like, Yep, take it a go ahead. He's like two months, that that's that checks.

[33:51] Jason A. Coombs: Yep.

[33:53] Julia Murney: It was up.

[33:54] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[33:54] Julia Murney: I love where that question just brought us.

[33:57] Jason A. Coombs: I know, right?

[33:58] Julia Murney: I will segue. I'm sorry.

[33:59] Jason A. Coombs: I we love a segue.

[34:01] Julia Murney: We're not segu digress, I guess.

[34:03] Jason A. Coombs: No, but I mean, our I think we have a lot of like younger listeners who need to hear that, you know, like that's important information for them to hear from someone.

[34:10] Julia Murney: It's really hard, and it's not digging a ditch in Afghanistan hard. Let's be very clear.

[34:17] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[34:18] Julia Murney: But it's still hard.

[34:19] Jason A. Coombs: Of course.

[34:20] Julia Murney: And and I would imagine there are people who unfortunately do go and dig ditches in Afghanistan who wouldn't begin to know how to get through eight shows a week.

[34:31] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[34:32] Julia Murney: It's different for everybody. It's a an utterly different kind of sacrifice. But they're both sacrifices.

[34:42] Jason A. Coombs: That's so true.

[34:43] Julia Murney: Well, let's flip it. Let's talk about between the lines.

[34:48] Jason A. Coombs: Which is a new musical based on the the best-selling New York Times novel. Can you share a little bit about it?

[34:54] Julia Murney: Um, tell us about it and what you're enjoying most about the show. Um, uh, let's see. I I have such a terrible elevator pitch about it. Um it is indeed based on a novel by Jody P. Cole and her daughter, Samantha Van Lear, which they wrote, they co-wrote when Samantha was 13 years old. She just went to her mom, who happened to be a New York Times bestselling author. She had this idea and was like, what if this and this happened? And her mom, who is an incredibly nurturing person and also an incredibly prolific author. She wrote two novels during the pandy.

[35:31] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my god.

[35:32] Julia Murney: Two?

[35:32] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, two.

[35:34] Julia Murney: You know what? I just didn't even get up mostly. I looked out this window and I ate.

[35:39] Jason A. Coombs: That's what I thought.

[35:41] Julia Murney: We did the same.

[35:42] Jason A. Coombs: And that's but that's what you needed to do.

[35:44] Julia Murney: That's what you needed to do. But so Samantha and Jody wrote co-wrote this book. It's a young adult novel. And um, this is the musicalization of such. It's about a young girl called Delilah, whose parents have had a terrible divorce, and the father has left the family and uh moves to a new place, hates her new high school, uh filled with mean girls, she's a reader, and she just loses herself in books.

[36:08] Jason A. Coombs: And one day she finds this random like kids' fairy tale in the library, and she starts looking at it, and one day the prince in the fairy tale starts speaking to her.

[36:18] Julia Murney: Oh wow.

[36:19] Jason A. Coombs: Because she wishes, she keeps wishing she could live in the fairy tale land because it she thinks it would be better than where she lives, and he wants out.

[36:27] Julia Murney: I love that.

[36:28] Jason A. Coombs: Because he's like, I don't get to do anything. I just have to do the same thing. I have to be in love with this princess. I don't even like her. Like it's like it's like that. And it's so it's about it's really about I think the whole you know hold whatever that word is, slogan, I guess, of the show, is at one point someone says, I'm gonna get it wrong. Um write the story you want if it's not the story you're in.

[36:58] Julia Murney: Oh, facts.

[36:59] Jason A. Coombs: And it that's what it's about. It's about like so someone, I mean, obviously, she's talking to a fairy tale character. The the musical is requiring you to take a leap of faith in terms of just also are just singing for no reason.

[37:13] Julia Murney: So you're already okay.

[37:15] Jason A. Coombs: I love when people go to musicals and they're like, that didn't seem real. I'm like um I'm gonna just stop that.

[37:25] Julia Murney: Stop it. Uh like uh have you ever been to a musical before? It's already not real, and maybe it's a play because they're actors on a stage.

[37:35] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you.

[37:36] Julia Murney: Um but so yeah, it's that's what it's about. It's about like sort of finding your own agency. And and knowing that this too shall pass, and that you can it it you can figure it out.

[37:57] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, and and there's there's uh uh like a flip-flop uh basically between the real world and the fairy tale world.

[38:07] Julia Murney: So everybody except for Ariel who plays Delilah, um, is double cast.

[38:12] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[38:14] Julia Murney: Mom. And then in the fairy tale, I'm the queen.

[38:17] Jason A. Coombs: Queen Maureen, right?

[38:18] Julia Murney: Queen Maureen herself.

[38:19] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yeah.

[38:20] Julia Murney: And um, which is really fun because the mom is going through it. The mom wears baggy cardigans and she has bangs on her husband.

[38:26] Jason A. Coombs: She has bangs.

[38:31] Julia Murney: Well, I'll tell you this. I don't know if any of you either of you or any of you out there have seen uh 13 on Netflix, the mu of the musical, the filming.

[38:41] Jason A. Coombs: I highly recommend.

[38:42] Julia Murney: Go see it. Um or go watch it. Also, so I went to the premiere screening of it, and it's about a kid and a single mom who's been like devastated by the father and they have to move somewhere new, and the kid hates the new school at the beginning and all this stuff. Deborah Messing plays the mom.

[39:01] Jason A. Coombs: She comes on screen for the first time.

[39:06] Julia Murney: No joke, she's wearing my wig.

[39:10] Jason A. Coombs: I was like, oh, this is what devastated single mothers do.

[39:15] Julia Murney: Do they sit in the corner with bangs with scissors with a bourbon and they're like I laugh so hard. I could not believe that we have the exact same hair.

[39:27] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my god, that's so funny.

[39:31] Julia Murney: Slot.

[39:32] Jason A. Coombs: Wait, are you on are you on TikTok?

[39:34] Julia Murney: I feel like that'll be a really funny like TikTok thing to do.

[39:37] Jason A. Coombs: Like I'm not on TikTok.

[39:39] Julia Murney: What am I gonna do on TikTok? I I look at TikTok when people repost them onto Instagram.

[39:47] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yes.

[39:48] Julia Murney: I enjoy them, but let me be crystal. I barely get out of the house with Instagram.

[39:56] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[39:57] Julia Murney: Because I enjoy it. The thing I have sort of really leaned off of is Twitter.

[40:04] Jason A. Coombs: I go on it, but I scroll about this far and then I'm like toxic.

[40:09] Julia Murney: Nope.

[40:10] Jason A. Coombs: Toxic, and it's like such a commitment to like keep up and yeah, it's it's too much.

[40:16] Julia Murney: The only thing I do with any regularity now on on Twitter is if I go on, and if some charming politician has tweeted something moronic and hypocritical, what I do is I just hit reply and I just write girl.

[40:51] Jason A. Coombs: Sometimes when I want to be like, you are a threat to book.

[40:54] Julia Murney: And I'm like, what do you think you're doing? Who do you think you're learning? Writing girl, period, makes me feel just as satisfied.

[41:03] Jason A. Coombs: I'm gonna invite anyone, try it.

[41:07] Julia Murney: I'd be writing your trash.

[41:11] Jason A. Coombs: Like if that I'll get political, fine.

[41:13] Julia Murney: Can I?

[41:14] Jason A. Coombs: What?

[41:14] Julia Murney: I don't know.

[41:15] Jason A. Coombs: What difference?

[41:16] Julia Murney: Like if that idiot Jim Jones happens to look and see my girl, he's gonna be like, what does that mean?

[41:26] Jason A. Coombs: Keep wondering.

[41:28] Julia Murney: As long as I take a moment out of your your time, I'm happy. To make him question what what's going on in his life. And he can, you know, see if he has any devastated single moms with bangs and my point is that it's while the mom is going through it and has like ballads and is trying to get her daughter to engage with her, and she's not engaging with her daughter either. They're just like in a you know, they're doing this.

[41:56] Jason A. Coombs: Um the queen is a drunk idiot.

[42:01] Julia Murney: I get to fully swap over, which is nice.

[42:04] Jason A. Coombs: I love that.

[42:06] Julia Murney: What's that process like for you as an actor? Like, did you I know it's probably a stupid question, but did you like no stupid question? Like, did you do all the work for one character first and then the other character, or were you like dabbling in both?

[42:18] Julia Murney: Like we just did it as we went along.

[42:21] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[42:22] Julia Murney: It's not so it's not the way it's written, there is no correlation between the mom and the queen, with the exception of the fact that they're both the you know, sort of main women in the stories, the the main uh matriarch in the stories.

[42:40] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[42:40] Julia Murney: Um so there was a moment where I was trying to find things like physical things that the queen did, does, did whatever that the mom also does. But it's not written that they're not written to mirror one another. And I realized quickly, oh, it actually doesn't serve. There's nothing, there's nothing to that.

[43:00] Julia Murney: Um yeah, I mean, and the fairy tale stuff, the real world, if you will, is the stuff that's like of heart and learning. The fairy tale stuff is a lot of just whimsy and fun. And like there's a moment in act two, and every time we get to it, there's a great number with three mermaids who sing their faces off at spoiler alert at Delilah, who has at this point fallen into the fairy tale.

[43:37] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yes.

[43:39] Julia Murney: Um love that. So she's with the prince, and these mermaids come along to sing their faces off. It's a very, very, the audience goes nuts as well. They should because the three people singing the said mermaids are worth that. And then I have a song in the real world to my daughter, and then the next song is this adorable is back in the fairy tale is this adorable song and dance that the dog in the fairy tale sings to the princess in the fairy tale because he's actually in love with her, and he's really a man who's been cursed in the book and made into a dog. He's like, I'm really amazed, I love you, but it's super old dog. There's mermaids and dogs tap dancing, and in the middle, here comes bangs.

[44:30] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, she's gonna come in singing to you over a hospital bed.

[44:35] Julia Murney: Oh my god. But really, like what I represent, I'm there for the moms in the audience.

[44:42] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[44:43] Julia Murney: Who have brought their daughters. That's so nice. So I can't wait to see this. I have to go now. You sold me.

[44:48] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[44:49] Julia Murney: So in conclusion, everyone needs to go. It's a really sweet show, and it's filled with so much heart and the cast, the bench is so deep. All the way through. I mean, I know this has been said a lot of late, as well, it very well should be. We have four understudies, rock stars all. I mean, who have gone on with, I mean, one of our understudies, I do not believe there's a week she hasn't gone on.

[45:25] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow.

[45:26] Julia Murney: And sometimes she's gone on, like when there was a COVID situation with like a bit of like, oh, oh, that's gonna happen. Okay. Twice she's gone on mid-show, and once she went on, like the show was at eight o'clock, and the actor called out at 7:45 because for reasons that were like, we were all with her and even the other city was like I got it I got it it's okay but like she's 7:45.

[45:34] Jason A. Coombs: 21?

[45:34] Julia Murney: Yeah, her name's Aubrey Madeline shout out to Aubrey and yeah she's awesome but they are all awesome I mean Dan who understudies the dog he was doing an Instagram takeover yesterday and then ended up going on last night.

[45:34] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my god how good is that?

[45:34] Julia Murney: But so it was all captured. Yes, it was all captured and the cast itself I mean the women that Aubrey covers and that Dan covers and are just they're very dynamite human beings and talent. We have until September 11th to see this, an ignominious date to close but there it is. Yes, there's everyone go get your tickets now go get your tickets. I'm about to get a ticket right after this. I'm literally so that sounds amazing go Jay Z.

[45:34] Jason A. Coombs: We need to, you know what it is, it's I am here for the theater that makes you feel like oh like on edge and the like the musical this the strange loops of the world where you're like what am I seeing this is completely unlike I don't know how this is gonna sell in Peoria but I am loving this and I think there in a perfect world, there's room for all of it.

[47:21] Julia Murney: Because this show Between the Lines is just something that should make. I had a friend who came the other day who was going through some, his mom is going through something that I didn't know about. I found out about that day after he saw the show. And he said, I have to tell you, I am so grateful for this show. It just let me step away for two and a half hours. And that's what theater is about, right? It's just like, and sometimes you step away for two and a half hours with something very deep and intense. This show is giving you a cotton candy, frothy delight.

[47:57] Jason A. Coombs: Which a lot of people need right now.

[47:59] Julia Murney: It's been a tough couple of years. It's been tough. I mean, you know, to be perfectly honest, it's been tough to get people in the theater because one of the trends that seems to be happening is that unless you have, you know, unless you're Hugh Jackman or the last, I'm not Hugh Jackman.

[48:23] Jason A. Coombs: Um the a lot of people don't do advanced purchasing anymore.

[48:30] Julia Murney: Oh yeah. I think it's partially a COVID thing because things can be canceled. We had to prove our opening, we had to cancel 10 shows before we opened because of various COVID because we only had so many understudies, and if the right people were out, then we couldn't do it. And it's really hard, and so I think people perhaps aren't buying in advance, they're doing like day before, day of.

[48:54] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[48:54] Julia Murney: Problem fiscally with that as a producer is that if you have no advance, you can't, it's not sustainable, right?

[48:54] Jason A. Coombs: It's not sustainable.

[49:06] Julia Murney: Right. One of my survival jobs is events, like I work in event planning and event staffing, and we're experiencing the same thing, like people are not planning events ahead of time, so they're coming to us a month out, and they're like, Hey, I need a huge like thousand person event for 80 grand, like let's make it happen, or with event staffing, they're like, Hey, I have I need 10 servers next week. And I'm like, what you can't just like blink and like do these things. So I feel like it's a common theme, yeah, post pandy, post pandy, yeah, you know, yeah.

[49:41] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, like people are just waiting to see what the heck is gonna happen, yeah, before it's a tricky thing, and it's yeah, we were supposed to open March of, uh, May rather of 2020.

[49:53] Julia Murney: Oh just start rehearsals, so um yikes, you know, so uh bless Daryl Roth for sticking with the show and for making sure it's still opened and all that, and um I know that there were like hopes and dreams and visions of sugar plums for this show, some of which are not gonna come to fruition, at least at this point.

[50:18] Jason A. Coombs: Um we did make an album.

[50:21] Julia Murney: Yeah, yeah, so that's really nice. And as I said to someone in the show, they were just a youngin'. They were talking about the feelings of like shows with potential Broadway transfer on them. When that doesn't happen, it's disappointing, you know. I had a gentleman last night who's seen the show, wait for it six times, um who was so sweet, and he said to me, I gotta tell you, every time I come and see the show, I look at every little thing, I try to figure out how we're gonna get this to Broadway.

[50:58] Jason A. Coombs: And I went, well, if you look in your couch cushions, if you have 10 to 12 million dollars, that would help.

[51:07] Julia Murney: And he kept talking about it, and he was so enthusiastic because he likes the show so much, which is so kind. And I finally said to him, I you know what? I can't traffic in what could be, I can only traffic in what is, and what is is we have two more weeks, and what I said to this youngin' when they were talking about that, I was like, listen, we made an album, and I'm here to tell you I was in, if I can sound gross for a second, one of the more one of the bigger cult hits from off Broadway in the last 30 years. It was called The Wild Party.

[51:46] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yes, WILD PARTY.

[51:48] Julia Murney: That show lived because we made the album, otherwise, it wouldn't have lived. It was before YouTube was huge, it was before bootlegs were prevalent. That's a whole other story. Um but like Umber Hadum, it was before there is no clean watchable version, bootlegged of The Wild Party. There's a B-roll that doesn't have a full show on it, yeah. There's no clean watchable version, and so that show is done every year in universities around every yeah, and it's because of the album.

[52:28] Jason A. Coombs: Shout out to the albums, yeah.

[52:30] Julia Murney: Shows do live on, and that was also before albums kind of get made for almost everything now, and they didn't back then. It was 1918 with like gaps. But yeah, I mean, so we made the album and we'll, you know, I just every show you ever do, you either leave it or it closes. That's it. There is no other rule.

[53:03] Jason A. Coombs: Even my friend George, who did Phantom of the Opera for 26 years.

[53:07] Julia Murney: Oh my gosh, George.

[53:10] Jason A. Coombs: Finally left Phantom of the Opera.

[53:13] Julia Murney: Wow. There are those are the only two options. By the way, shout out to George, 26 years. Absolutely.

[53:24] Julia Murney: But given those two options, the only thing you get to take with you is the experience of having done it and the people you did it with.

[53:33] Jason A. Coombs: For sure.

[53:35] Julia Murney: I can't, I mean I guess I could go onto my stoop right now and sing Defying Gravity, but what?

[53:43] Jason A. Coombs: Um a lot of people probably want that.

[53:46] Julia Murney: I don't think I want that. Julie, how long were you in Wicked for?

[53:50] Jason A. Coombs: A year and a half.

[53:51] Julia Murney: Oh wow. Yeah, tour between tour and Broadway.

[53:55] Jason A. Coombs: Speaking of Wicked and WILD PARTY, you've had like you have so many amazing credits and have literally performed so many amazing shows. Do you have a favorite role or experience?

[54:08] Julia Murney: Um, well, The Wild Party is my favorite.

[54:11] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[54:11] Julia Murney: Because it was my big break. It was written on me for four years. I and even the lore of it in my own world, like I met Andrew Lippa who wrote The Wild Party and Stephen Schwartz the same day at an audition for this Stephen Schwartz show that was being directed and adapted by someone I'd gone to summer camp with. The only reason I had an audition because I didn't have a, did I have an agent? I don't remember and I went to that audition and got that job and ended up working with both of those men and that's how, and Andrew had just started writing The Wild Party and so I was in it from the very first reading.

[55:03] Jason A. Coombs: That's amazing.

[55:05] Julia Murney: So I mean that was an incredibly special experience for me. I mean there was certainly, but playing Elphaba is incredibly satisfying.

[55:13] Jason A. Coombs: I'm sure as long as you feel well.

[55:15] Julia Murney: Yeah, you don't feel well for me at least it was a jump for Jesus constantly that was not fun that was an anxiety inducing like you know because you want to do well because you want to serve that role you want to serve the people you're on stage with and there's also this pressure of these people you I was in it when it was new you know on tour we were hitting every city for the first time and they were rabid they were waiting for Wicked yeah like here it's great right you don't want to be like here sorry about it yeah yeah you want to do your job so Elphaba is one of those like love it be mad at it not never quite hate it, but love it, be mad at it.

[56:02] Julia Murney: I mean it's such an iconic, it's like one of the most iconic roles and then what I am without question for in terms of Wicked is grateful. I'm very grateful that I got to be a part of something like that. It's wild, and again, back when I did it, there were only five of us, and now like any woman could walk up to me on the subway and be like, I was Elphaba like a lot of Elphabas now.

[56:31] Julia Murney: You're like, I was on the original YouTube compilation of like if you think about the amount of not just in the states, but there's also been England and Japan and Germany, and like there's a lot of people who have played these parts now, but it's sort of I call it the Green Girl Sisterhood because if that woman did come up to me on the subway, I could be like, Do you need to talk about it? Let's stop you know, like I was Elphaba. But it's that thing when very few people understand exactly what you went through, yeah.

[57:04] Jason A. Coombs: I mean, everyone's experience is different, obviously, but like the technical part of it, right?

[57:09] Julia Murney: And it's useful to, I mean I knew all the women who played the role before me. And I'll say one of the best pieces of advice that I got was from one diva Eden Espinoza, who said to me, Oh, practice the end of Defying Gravity with your feet together, and that's because you are standing on a square that is not much bigger than your feet.

[57:32] Julia Murney: Oh wow, and you're in the air, you cannot squat down, you cannot move your body to like out.

[57:40] Julia Murney: And that was really helpful advice.

[57:43] Julia Murney: Yes, Eden.

[57:46] Julia Murney: Put your feet in the air.

[57:49] Julia Murney: Put your feet together.

[57:51] Julia Murney: Wait, you have to like write a play based on that.

[57:54] Julia Murney: But what would you call the the green the fire?

[57:57] Julia Murney: Green girl sisterhood.

[57:58] Julia Murney: Green girls.

[57:59] Julia Murney: That's like a perfect play right there.

[58:01] Julia Murney: It's a little inside baseball, but yeah, I mean, again, I'm not sure if the ticket sales would be like that's true.

[58:01] Julia Murney: That's true.

[58:09] Julia Murney: Although I don't know, you were like, I'm so grateful for Wicked in your own experience.

[58:13] Julia Murney: I I'm so grateful for Wicked for coming out.

[58:16] Julia Murney: I was 13, and I've seen Wicked 25, 30 times, not even kidding.

[58:20] Julia Murney: And like it fueled me as a youth.

[58:23] Julia Murney: Who was your first alphabet?

[58:25] Julia Murney: Idina.

[58:26] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[58:27] Julia Murney: Everybody knows though.

[58:28] Julia Murney: Your first alphabet is a big thing.

[58:30] Julia Murney: I very much had people come to me like you were my first.

[58:33] Julia Murney: Let's be clear.

[58:34] Julia Murney: Just if you were someone's first alphabet, doesn't mean that you're their favorite.

[58:38] Julia Murney: But you are you were there first.

[58:41] Julia Murney: You never forget your first, you know what I mean?

[58:43] Julia Murney: Like it's that it's that kind of a show, though.

[58:45] Julia Murney: I did once have a couple summers ago, or a few summers ago now, um, I did a concert somewhere in like Indiana, I don't know where I was, somewhere not in New York, and a little girl came up to me and she was like, You are my first alphabet in Detroit.

[58:58] Julia Murney: And I did indeed play Detroit, and I went, Oh, sweetie, how old are you?

[59:05] Julia Murney: 13.

[59:06] Julia Murney: And I went, it wasn't me.

[59:09] Julia Murney: Oh, she would have been a year old.

[59:15] Julia Murney: And I'm an idiot because I just should have been like, Thank you.

[59:18] Julia Murney: Why did I ruin me to ruin her day?

[59:23] Julia Murney: They were like, This doesn't line up.

[59:25] Julia Murney: Yes, it just happened that way.

[59:30] Julia Murney: So but they do, they get excited with the first alphabet.

[59:33] Julia Murney: There's no question about it.

[59:34] Julia Murney: There's no question about it.

[59:35] Julia Murney: And it isn't, it isn't and it look, the thing is, yes, wicked is if someone says, Oh, you're an actor, have you done anything?

[59:44] Julia Murney: I know, I say wicked because the one that would, you know, get the attention.

[59:52] Julia Murney: But sort of like what I was saying way back about teaching, and you I I have had people come up to me with almost any show that I've done in New York for sure.

[1:00:07] Julia Murney: Sometimes stuff I've done like at the Muni or whatever, but like New York shows, but I mean shows that didn't do well by some particular standard and say, Oh, I loved fill in the blank.

[1:00:22] Julia Murney: Often my joke is I go, Oh, you're the one.

[1:00:25] Julia Murney: And then but the truth is that who am I to say?

[1:00:31] Julia Murney: I recently saw a show where I was kind of like the guy behind me was having the time of his life.

[1:00:39] Julia Murney: And you know what the truth is?

[1:00:41] Julia Murney: We're both right.

[1:00:42] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:00:43] Julia Murney: We're both right.

[1:00:44] Julia Murney: I'm like and he was living his best, and he should be.

[1:00:49] Julia Murney: And that person who comes up to me and says, I really loved you in fill in the blank, you're you're like, Really?

[1:00:56] Julia Murney: Yeah, really.

[1:00:57] Julia Murney: It like who's to say what their day was and why that show hit for them.

[1:01:03] Julia Murney: Wicked's an easy show to hit.

[1:01:05] Julia Murney: It it pushes all the buttons.

[1:01:07] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:01:08] Julia Murney: Monkeys and dragon clocks and you know, like dragon clocks.

[1:01:12] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:01:13] Julia Murney: And all that kind of stuff.

[1:01:16] Julia Murney: But it's it's so surprising when those smaller shows have.

[1:01:21] Julia Murney: I mean, I already know between the lines is that kind of a show, just because it's um w within a certain set of people, it's clearly we truly the the amount of people who've come to see the show multiple times is for such a relatively short run.

[1:01:37] Julia Murney: It's wild.

[1:01:39] Julia Murney: But they keep coming back.

[1:01:40] Julia Murney: Okay, come on back.

[1:01:42] Julia Murney: We're we're more than happy to have you.

[1:01:46] Julia Murney: I love that.

[1:01:48] Julia Murney: It's wild.

[1:01:49] Julia Murney: I also hate, like, just to comment on something you said, I hate when people when you're like, yes, I'm an actor, and people are like, Well, have they seen you in anything?

[1:01:59] Julia Murney: Like maybe not, but I'm still an act, you know what I mean?

[1:02:02] Julia Murney: Yeah, like I think it's like crazy that uh like the muggles, if you will, of the world.

[1:02:08] Julia Murney: I will say it.

[1:02:10] Julia Murney: I will say for years I had a lot of that kind of reaction to that sort of thing.

[1:02:15] Julia Murney: I had some actor shame that went on, feeling like I I'm not I do a stupid thing, you know, I'm not worthy.

[1:02:23] Julia Murney: It's all that kind of stuff.

[1:02:25] Julia Murney: And stupid thing.

[1:02:27] Julia Murney: And honestly, I I I kind of put that down.

[1:02:31] Julia Murney: I will I will tell you this.

[1:02:33] Julia Murney: Um I I remember a moment where that turned for me, and this is not to bring the room down, but on 9-11, I was here, and um some friends and I went down to the Red Cross to try to donate blood, and they weren't accepting and it that wasn't the situation, but we didn't know what to do, so we tried to do something.

[1:03:03] Julia Murney: And before we left, they were like, Oh, um, also, do you have any special skills?

[1:03:09] Julia Murney: And I remember thinking, I can learn a 32 bar real fast.

[1:03:13] Julia Murney: Like, that's not what he needs.

[1:03:15] Julia Murney: And then I was like, oh my God, why aren't I a welder?

[1:03:15] Julia Murney: Why aren't I a nurse?

[1:03:19] Julia Murney: Why aren't I something that can be useful?

[1:03:21] Julia Murney: Cut to Urin Town was in previews.

[1:03:27] Julia Murney: And my good friends from college were the producers, and I also had many friends in the show.

[1:03:33] Julia Murney: And they were supposed to open.

[1:03:35] Julia Murney: They had to bump it because of what had happened.

[1:03:38] Julia Murney: And the first night they reopened Broadway, I went to see her in town.

[1:03:44] Julia Murney: Um, just to throw support their way.

[1:03:57] Julia Murney: And everyone in the show is like filthy and mad.

[1:04:00] Julia Murney: And because of that, the actors, the actual not the roles they were playing, but the actual actors, some of them were crying at some times.

[1:04:08] Julia Murney: It was very intense to get back up on stage after it was everyone was so heartbroken by what had happened.

[1:04:14] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:04:15] Julia Murney: But it fit with the show.

[1:04:18] Julia Murney: And all I could think of was my friend Megan, who was down the street in the revival of 42nd Street.

[1:04:25] Julia Murney: And she had on tattoos.

[1:04:28] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:04:28] Julia Murney: And like, it's Broadway.

[1:04:31] Julia Murney: And all of a sudden something clicked in me.

[1:04:34] Julia Murney: And I was like, oh, that's our special skill.

[1:04:40] Julia Murney: That's what we do.

[1:04:41] Julia Murney: We, as actors and crew members and orchestra members, we allow someone to come in and either work through their shit for two and a half hours or put it outside the door for two and a half hours.

[1:04:55] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:04:56] Julia Murney: And they, and that's our special skill.

[1:05:00] Julia Murney: And it's and it's not just the and it it is the like feathering out of yes, it's the cast, it's the crew, it's the orchestra, it's the front of house, it's the bartenders, it's the press people, it's the producer, like it keeps going.

[1:05:14] Julia Murney: Yeah, and all that it always makes me sad when I see that the only goal sometimes with certain people, not always, but feels like uh capitalism.

[1:05:31] Julia Murney: Of course it's a business, it's a business, and you can't fight, you can't fight it.

[1:05:35] Julia Murney: That is what it is.

[1:05:37] Julia Murney: But when it loses the heart of the thing where you're trying to just make people feel, then I I think it suffers.

[1:05:49] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:05:50] Julia Murney: Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[1:05:51] Julia Murney: Uh yeah, no, seriously, I'm like, I'm like preaching.

[1:05:55] Julia Murney: I feel like I'm in a fog.

[1:05:56] Julia Murney: This is this is so great.

[1:05:58] Julia Murney: You're awesome.

[1:05:59] Julia Murney: Thank you for being so open and sharing all of your wisdom.

[1:06:03] Julia Murney: I also just realized I'm like a wash of green, aren't I?

[1:06:07] Julia Murney: I was gonna say that earlier.

[1:06:10] Julia Murney: Perfect.

[1:06:12] Julia Murney: It was utterly un I could have worn something different.

[1:06:16] Julia Murney: No, I think it's perfect.

[1:06:17] Julia Murney: I think it's perfect.

[1:06:18] Julia Murney: I will tell you when I started doing wicked, I didn't realize like my it was winter, my parkour was green, my proof was green.

[1:06:27] Julia Murney: I it all had to go away.

[1:06:29] Julia Murney: You guys and people are like, oh, that's so cute.

[1:06:32] Julia Murney: You're you're like, nope, nope.

[1:06:36] Julia Murney: Or they love saying, Oh, I see some green in your ear.

[1:06:39] Julia Murney: You're like, that's too.

[1:06:41] Julia Murney: Oh you're like, thank you so much.

[1:06:44] Julia Murney: But you can ask any green girl, it's always in your ears.

[1:06:46] Julia Murney: You can't get it.

[1:06:48] Julia Murney: It's just that's crazy.

[1:06:50] Julia Murney: I worked on a benefit with Jessica Vosk, like around the time she was Alva and she was like, I literally haven't been in the show for three days, and I had green here.

[1:06:58] Julia Murney: I washed my hair once a week.

[1:07:00] Julia Murney: I was blonde too.

[1:07:01] Julia Murney: So I had like a green halo.

[1:07:07] Julia Murney: We're just gonna screw it up tomorrow.

[1:07:09] Julia Murney: So if you see stage door pictures of me from that time, I am almost always in a hat or a do rag every time.

[1:07:19] Julia Murney: I still have like a whole collection, and then I just bring it with me from show to show for like two show days when I don't want to take out my wig prep, and then I'll tie it back up.

[1:07:28] Julia Murney: But like I can't it was just impossible.

[1:07:33] Julia Murney: Well, Julia, we're almost at the end of our conversation.

[1:07:35] Julia Murney: We don't want to steal too much more of your time.

[1:07:37] Julia Murney: We're gonna end up a really, really fun game though.

[1:07:40] Julia Murney: But before that, we just have one last question, which is Yes.

[1:07:44] Julia Murney: Any advice for anybody listening right now who like you know wants to be on Brave one day, or is like I want to be in show business, is one good thing that you can share with them.

[1:07:54] Julia Murney: Okay, you want more TED talk?

[1:07:56] Julia Murney: Here we go.

[1:07:56] Julia Murney: Yeah, I'll say it.

[1:07:58] Julia Murney: Um this is controversial, but my my advice to you beyond what I've already mentioned, like do the work, do do do the work, that's part of your responsibility and all that kind of stuff, is that Broadway isn't everything.

[1:08:16] Julia Murney: It's a lot, and like I said, it's cool, but theater has been around since the dawn of time, and there's a reason.

[1:08:25] Julia Murney: Broadway has not Broadway as a commercial entity has not been around since the dawn of time.

[1:08:30] Julia Murney: Theater, the act of uh whatever you want to call it, like sharing a live experience has been around, and everyone needs it.

[1:08:42] Julia Murney: Most people, I'm one of the freaky diks who grew up in New York City.

[1:08:46] Julia Murney: Most people come to New York City, which means their love of theater started somewhere else.

[1:08:53] Julia Murney: Yeah.

[1:08:54] Julia Murney: Right.

[1:08:54] Julia Murney: And they needed that theater.

[1:08:57] Julia Murney: So if you feel like New York theater, for example, is not treating you the way you should be treated, is not observing the talent that you like to bring.

[1:09:09] Julia Murney: Or if you feel like New York City is not the place to live, it's tough to live here.

[1:09:13] Julia Murney: Yes, it is.

[1:09:15] Julia Murney: Because you can go anywhere and share your gift.

[1:09:20] Julia Murney: You can live somewhere come in the middle of the country or wherever and have a job in an office, and there's still going to be within, I'm gonna guess a relatively short amount of space, a community theater, a community choir, a church choir.

[1:09:37] Julia Murney: There are places to fill your own heart with that joy and feel like you're sharing it with others, and it doesn't have to be in the 10 block radius known as Broadway, which is not to belittle what Broadway is because that, like I said, that's its own really hard job.

[1:09:58] Julia Murney: Right.

[1:09:58] Julia Murney: But I think, yeah, that's so important to like remember as artists that like you can be an artist anywhere.

[1:10:05] Julia Murney: I'm gonna I would like to sidebar really quick.

[1:10:07] Julia Murney: I went to um a SAG talk back when Tic Tik Boom came out, and Lynn Manuel shared something like in the film, these three characters like Michael, Jonathan, Susan, they're all artists, but they're all on different journeys.

[1:10:23] Julia Murney: And like whatever one you are, it's okay.

[1:10:25] Julia Murney: Like you can choose to go to the survival job that's maybe not considered a survival job and still be an artist.

[1:10:31] Julia Murney: You can leave New York.

[1:10:32] Julia Murney: Susan, the real Susan is still dancing in like Oklahoma, not Oklahoma.

[1:10:37] Julia Murney: I have no idea where she is.

[1:10:39] Julia Murney: But wherever she is, she's still fully like dancing, or even a mega hit, you know, it doesn't matter.

[1:10:45] Julia Murney: You're wrong with that advice.

[1:10:47] Julia Murney: The actual advice I guess I would give is to learn as best you can to give yourself the grace to change your mind.

[1:10:55] Julia Murney: Or to, I don't like to call it a pivot, because to me, pivoting on something means you're turning your back on something else.

[1:11:02] Julia Murney: I like to call it a swivel.

[1:11:05] Julia Murney: We love a swivel.

[1:11:08] Julia Murney: Like you have to be like, well, I'm never acting again.

[1:11:11] Julia Murney: Just swivel over here so you can live if that's where you are, whatever your situation is.

[1:11:16] Julia Murney: But like you, it's still in your your periphery, you still got it's okay, it's there.

[1:11:21] Julia Murney: And but you have to be able to give yourself the grace to do that as opposed to just comparing yourself to, I mean, part of that like thing in tick-tick boom was that like their two creative processes were not aligning.

[1:11:41] Julia Murney: They were both being creative, but they were not copacetic. And if you see your friends hitting certain levels or certain benchmarks or whatever you want to call it that you want to hit and you haven't hit it, comparison could be the thief of joy, and you can lose your perspective really quickly. And if you're not careful, it turns ugly so fast.

[1:12:10] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:12:10] Julia Murney: And that's when you get bitter, that's when you get mad, that's when you get sharp. Don't let the world make you sharp. Don't let acting make you sharp. The world is trying so hard to make you sharp.

[1:12:22] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:12:23] Julia Murney: Fight it with everything you got. Give yourself the grace and know that their path is their path. It's not your path.

[1:12:34] Jason A. Coombs: Yep.

[1:12:36] Julia Murney: The Dina's path is not my path. And yet we've played the same part.

[1:12:42] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:12:43] Julia Murney: Do you know? Like, yeah, it's simple. And all you can do is I was up for Wicked originally. Fun fact. My friend got it. Was I sad? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was. I was totally bummed. But my philosophy, and then I'm done with my philosophies, I promise, is that when you want something really hard and you don't get it, you have 48 hours. You have 48 hours to sit in your filth to eat all the ice cream you want, or drink all the bourbon you want, or pour the bourbon in the ice cream. I don't really care. But if you're on campus, that's legal and doesn't hurt anyone. You have 48 hours, and then you have to figure out how to fold it up and put it down, and you have to put all of your support behind the person who booked it.

[1:13:35] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:13:36] Julia Murney: If you booked it, you would want the support. You would need the support. And that I think is our job as actors is to remember grace and also remember somebody else got it. And now it's going to be hard for them. If you don't say that it's hard for you. Yeah. It's still going to be hard for them. I don't mean you have to go overboard and like send them cakes. But you know, like I was sad, but you can trust. I went to opening night of Wicked. Because my friends, both of them, were playing the leads.

[1:14:18] Jason A. Coombs: That's right.

[1:14:19] Julia Murney: Just don't give yourself bangs in those 48 hours of time.

[1:14:22] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my god, do not do it.

[1:14:25] Julia Murney: Just do not give the bangs. You for a yoga instructor, and you and your girls are moving out. In which case, right? Get your bangs because that's the uniform.

[1:14:34] Jason A. Coombs: That is exactly the uniform.

[1:14:37] Jason A. Coombs: Thanks for watching. Julia, you are a queen. Thank you so much for all of your philosophies and all of your wisdom. This has been amazing. I feel like I just went to like a master class of learning. So thank you.

[1:14:52] Julia Murney: Like we mentioned earlier, we do end every episode with the game. I'm actually nervous about the game now because I might it might be wrong. I feel like the facts might be wrong, but it'll be fun.

[1:15:02] Jason A. Coombs: Okay.

[1:15:04] Julia Murney: I'll correct you if that's a I don't know what the game is. I'm part of it.

[1:15:07] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[1:15:09] Julia Murney: So the game is since you were the iconic Elphaba, and we talked a lot about Wicked, we're doing a little bit of Wicked trivia.

[1:15:17] Jason A. Coombs: Okay.

[1:15:17] Julia Murney: It's multiple choice.

[1:15:19] Jason A. Coombs: Okay.

[1:15:19] Julia Murney: But you probably know more than the Google sheet or whatever article we found where we got this info. So let's see. Let's see if it'll be correct.

[1:15:26] Jason A. Coombs: Okay.

[1:15:34] Jason A. Coombs: Sure. Stephen Schwartz got the idea for Wicked where A, at a Halloween party in 1986. B, when he was at dinner with Joel Gray, or C on vacation with a friend.

[1:15:46] Julia Murney: He was in Hawaii in 1996 with a friend. I just gave the answer away.

[1:15:52] Jason A. Coombs: Or D.

[1:15:54] Julia Murney: Wait a minute. I know. I'm gonna give you my answer, which is D. When Julia found the novel in a bookstore in Norfolk, Virginia, where she was working with Stephen Schwartz and Andrew Lippa. She bought that novel, went crazy for that novel, and told everybody about it. And I swear I told him first.

[1:16:15] Jason A. Coombs: There's the answer. Here it is. Google told us that the answer was C when he was on vacation with his friend.

[1:16:22] Julia Murney: Oh I know. I know we're like oh my god.

[1:16:28] Jason A. Coombs: That's a survival job, the bookstore.

[1:16:31] Julia Murney: Oh no, I was just in the bookstore. Okay. I was just and I was like, what's this book? It's when I was doing the show on which I met Andrew and Stephen. We did it in Norfolk, Virginia.

[1:16:43] Jason A. Coombs: There we go.

[1:16:44] Julia Murney: Okay. All right. Okay, let me mess up another fantasy. Go ahead.

[1:16:53] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, number two. How many pounds of dry ice are required per night to create the fog on stage? Do you need multiple choice, or do you think you could do it without?

[1:17:01] Julia Murney: No, I need multiple choice.

[1:17:03] Jason A. Coombs: Got it. A 320 pounds. B, 250 pounds. C, 188 pounds.

[1:17:13] Julia Murney: B?

[1:17:14] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:17:15] Julia Murney: Woo! Congratulations. 250 pounds of dry ice each night are required to create all of that. Which also dry ice behaves differently compared, depending on like if it's really humid or something. Sometimes it kind of doesn't really do it. And sometimes you're like, trying to get through it.

[1:17:31] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:17:37] Julia Murney: I'm dead. You're like, no good deed goes unpunished. I can't see shit. I remember sometimes Kendra, who played Glinda with me, would come up for the in the train station scene, and she would have her little purse, and she'd be like, Alfie! Alfie!

[1:17:54] Julia Murney: I dad it away. I'm dead. Um who was the first replacement of Elphaba after Idina?

[1:18:01] Jason A. Coombs: A Broadway.

[1:18:02] Julia Murney: On Broadway. Sorry.

[1:18:04] Jason A. Coombs: A, Soshana Bean.

[1:18:06] Julia Murney: A.

[1:18:09] Jason A. Coombs: I mean, are the other answers real people?

[1:18:11] Julia Murney: Yes. I know it's A, though. Yeah, it was it was although Eden Espinoza stepped in while Idina took a longer vacation. So Shauna was the first official replacement in the role.

[1:18:22] Jason A. Coombs: Correct.

[1:18:22] Julia Murney: Eden was uh uh, I believe, I don't think I'm speaking incorrectly. Uh she was a standby for a little while. But then she was in, she she was in Brooklyn.

[1:18:36] Jason A. Coombs: She was letting the people have it in not the borough of Brooklyn.

[1:18:39] Julia Murney: The musical, yes. You know, Brooklyn was my favorite, still is one of my favorite musicals ever. I saw it. Sorry. First time it was Broadway and Bryant Park. I was singing at Broadway and Bryant Park, and they were also singing. And it was the first time I laid eyes on Eden.

[1:18:55] Jason A. Coombs: Was that 2004?

[1:18:58] Julia Murney: Sure. Something like that. Yeah, because I guess it was because I was stopping. I just know there was Eden. I don't know what I was saying. I was probably singing for like an actor's fun benefit concert situation. And Eden sang that once upon a time song, I will never be the same.

[1:19:20] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[1:19:21] Julia Murney: I was just like, what the hell is going on in front of me? Just like not real. Like, what even note is that, by the way? I still don't know.

[1:19:33] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah. I love that. Okay. Um, Jason, do you want to take this one? Because then I'll do the bonus since I didn't write in the dock like a big dingling.

[1:19:41] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yeah. Our game is a mess today. I gave out the answer anyway. Um, how many professional? How many professional productions of Wicked are currently happening right now? A, 5, B, 3, or C, 4.

[1:20:00] Julia Murney: Broadway tour London. I don't know if it's happening somewhere else. I'm gonna say three.

[1:20:08] Jason A. Coombs: Ding ding ding, correct. North American Tour London and New York City, Broadway.

[1:20:13] Julia Murney: Yup. You got it.

[1:20:15] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, this is the bonus. Please finish this line. This is my favorite line in Wicked. There are no more stairs. This must be the fill in the blank.

[1:20:31] Julia Murney: Oh the attic?

[1:20:34] Jason A. Coombs: Correct.

[1:20:35] Julia Murney: Wow. Do you want to know why this is my favorite line?

[1:20:39] Jason A. Coombs: I would like to know.

[1:20:40] Julia Murney: Yes, please. Because it's like there are no more stairs. This must be the I don't know. It just always made me laugh. Why not? There are no more stairs. This must be the third floor. Yes! Like, or or like obviously there are no or like thank you for telling us there are no more stairs. Like, I don't know. It just always was very silly to me.

[1:20:59] Jason A. Coombs: Look, in just about any show you ever see, there's that kind of exposition thing going on that I think does help some people, but people like you are like really attic.

[1:21:14] Julia Murney: Okay and I also want to say, since it's like so many years later, when I was 13 years old, I illegally had the entire script of Wicked. Like this, I had it in a binder with it. I have no, I don't, I don't reveal my sources. I actually don't do with it. Like memorize the whole thing, like a psycho 13 year old who loved musical theater.

[1:21:36] Jason A. Coombs: So this is why I do then I'm gonna ask you.

[1:21:42] Julia Murney: Okay.

[1:21:43] Jason A. Coombs: Is that wrong?

[1:21:44] Julia Murney: No, you're right. I just got so scared.

[1:21:47] Jason A. Coombs: Viero's last name.

[1:21:50] Julia Murney: Upland.

[1:21:51] Jason A. Coombs: No, that's uh Linda.

[1:21:56] Julia Murney: Got her. Wait, if I think really hard, I maybe could get it. I have five seconds. I lost. What is it?

[1:22:03] Julia Murney: I believe because someone's gonna write in and be like, um, I believe it's Trigalar.

[1:22:11] Jason A. Coombs: That's right.

[1:22:12] Julia Murney: T I I can even spell it. T-I-G-E. I can do it in fin language. L A A R. It's a double A. And you know why I know that? It's from reading the novel. Honestly.

[1:22:22] Jason A. Coombs: Oh yeah.

[1:22:24] Julia Murney: But um that you gave the inspiration for the whole show. That is D on Google.

[1:22:29] Jason A. Coombs: D.

[1:22:30] Julia Murney: So we need to write this in. We need to make our own Wikipedia, whatever. Like I have said this to Steven. I'm like, I know you think you found it on a boat in Hawaii.

[1:22:36] Jason A. Coombs: On a boat.

[1:22:43] Julia Murney: He's the best. He's the best. Oh, I love that. This is so much fun. You got a hundred on the game.

[1:22:49] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my gosh.

[1:22:50] Julia Murney: 100 plus.

[1:22:55] Jason A. Coombs: And pepper.

[1:22:56] Julia Murney: Yes, Pepper. You know what the prize is?

[1:22:59] Jason A. Coombs: What?

[1:23:00] Julia Murney: That you have to come out to dinner with us when I'm in New York City next time.

[1:23:04] Jason A. Coombs: What's the surprise?

[1:23:05] Julia Murney: That's the prize.

[1:23:07] Jason A. Coombs: These are the prizes.

[1:23:08] Julia Murney: But where are you?

[1:23:09] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, I'm in Connecticut right now.

[1:23:10] Julia Murney: Where can oh don't reveal, don't reveal your location.

[1:23:15] Jason A. Coombs: Throw the stalkers.

[1:23:17] Julia Murney: For the Broadway World stalkers. You know. I'll bring it all around and say this. I will be available for dinner the next time you come into the city. After Between the Lines closes on September 11th, y'all, please come see the show.

[1:23:30] Jason A. Coombs: Which everyone should go see.

[1:23:31] Julia Murney: There are discounts on TDF. And Today Tix. We will drop all of the links in the show notes so everyone can go grab the tickets.

[1:23:42] Jason A. Coombs: Really?

[1:23:43] Julia Murney: I swear to god, I don't think you'll be sorry. I just from your speaking about it, I don't think anyone will be sorry. And Jason and I are gonna try to get our butts there.

[1:23:53] Jason A. Coombs: Can you tell all of our listeners where they can find you on social media and Instagram and maybe the occasional girl on Twitter?

[1:24:04] Julia Murney: Uh Twitter, I'm just at Julia Murney, and occasionally girl. Um and Instagram, I'm uh Peppa Mama, but P-E-P-A-L-E-M-E-M-A because Pepper mama was taken. Um so I'm there. And and if you are interested in coaching or any of that kind of stuff, JKM Masterclass at gmail.com.

[1:24:31] Jason A. Coombs: Love that.

[1:24:32] Julia Murney: And if you're tuning in, no TikTok.

[1:24:32] Jason A. Coombs: No TikTok.

[1:24:37] Julia Murney: Let me just go to the BTL. If you go to the BTL musical TikTok, um, one of our castmates is is uh partially responsible for running it, Jerusalha. And it's very like that I've seen because it's it's funny to me. Go stay go look at it. They're cute.

[1:24:53] Jason A. Coombs: Go check it out.

[1:24:54] Julia Murney: And if you're tuning in because you're a Julia fan and you don't follow us, follow us at Survival Jobs Pod on Instagram and Twitter. Shoot us an email at survivaljobspod at gmail.com on Facebook, we're Survival Jobs a Podcast. Follow my boy Jason at Jason A. Coombs, and I am Sammy Tutz. Julia, thank you so much. This was amazing.

[1:25:14] Julia Murney: Thank you.

[1:25:17] Jason A. Coombs: That was fun. And I feel like we didn't talk about survival jobs very much, but sometimes we don't.

[1:25:22] Julia Murney: I learned this joke.

[1:25:23] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, and do you want to say uh anything about survival jobs to close the episode out? You could do whatever you want.

[1:25:30] Julia Murney: They are honorable, they are necessary, and they are nothing to feel poorly about. And if they are sucking your soul dry, that's just a survival job. Why don't you go get a different one?

[1:25:44] Jason A. Coombs: And we will end the episode there. Thank you guys.