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[0:00] Eli Tokash: Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of Take A Bow, our 10th episode!

[0:06] Eli Tokash: I know, this is so exciting. Hi guys, I'm Eli. Yep, that's it. That's the story. That's the sentence I did. I'm so sorry, this is Eli Tokash. No, I love it. It's okay. You know what? That hello was just the best start of our 10th episode. It was just so happy and elegant and energetic and I loved it all. So great job on that.

[0:27] Eli Tokash: Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I can't believe we've done 10 episodes. I feel so proud of us.

[0:36] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and we've saved like one of our best interviews for the 10th episode. So I'm very excited about it.

[0:41] Eli Tokash: Oh, you're gonna love it. Also, we want to thank everyone listening. Thank you so much for supporting us for 10 episodes. I mean, we want to do this until like 100 episodes and more like beyond. So like, imagine we like reach 100 episodes and we'll like look back at this. We're at 10 episodes, guys. Listen, it's so funny because every time we try to like have those recording spouts where we just record a bunch of interviews, I always feel like I run out of people. And then I'm always like constantly, constantly every day thinking of like two or three new people that we can have on. The list is actually like endless. So I don't know how we can ever run out. So I'm very excited. And like everyone, there's like a new person that joins the Broadway community every day.

So let's be real. We can't. We're very excited for this. And if you have any suggestions for people you might want on the podcast, then tag them and tag us and DM us, comment on our picture or find a way to get in touch with us and we'd love to hear.

[1:47] Eli Tokash: And speaking of listening to our episodes, thank you to those of you who tuned into our Live at Five on Broadway.com on Monday. Sydney and I had so much fun. It's not too late if you didn't see it to go to YouTube and search Live at Five Broadway.com and you'll see Sydney and I as one of the first couple videos actually. And so you'll just scroll down until you see us.

[2:15] Eli Tokash: Yes. And it was hosted by Paul Wontorek and Charlie Cooper, who I think was Charlie's like first time co-hosting this thing and she killed it. And obviously Paul is just the most wonderful human on the planet. And we had a lot of shenanigans and go check it out. You'll know what we mean. But kick back, relax with a mug of coffee. And that's a reference. Go check it out to get that reference.

[2:44] Eli Tokash: Yeah. And we also had a beautiful article written basically about the Live at Five by Caitlin Moynihan, who was actually running the Live at Five and doing all the tech stuff for us. And I think it was also her first time running it, too, was her first time like...

[2:59] Sydney: I think you're right, doing the tech, because usually I believe she helps co-host.

[3:03] Eli Tokash: Yes. And she killed it, too. Yeah. So props to her. I mean, there was awesome slides and videos that they popped up and stuff for the news. So they had a really cool show going. I hope you guys enjoy it and you can catch a bunch of Broadway news. Keep up with the current stuff.

[3:23] Eli Tokash: Speaking of current stuff, my mind is kind of going crazy right now. So I want to introduce a little new segment, maybe, idea. Lately, my family and the people in my apartment building were pretty much a community. So my neighbors and everything, they turned to me and my siblings. And they're always kind of wanting to know what the newest and current stuff is. So I wonder, Sydney, have you ever heard of the term slaps? Like, oh, this podcast slaps.

[3:56] Sydney: Yes, I have. It sounded really weird without context, but yes, I have.

[4:00] Eli Tokash: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. But isn't it interesting how I feel like there's a new trend every day that gets started? And the other thing is, is that every day is like a new national, like, something day. Isn't that interesting?

[4:12] Sydney: It is interesting. What's today? What is the national day?

[4:19] Eli Tokash: I don't know. Let's look it up. Let's look it up. Okay, I got it. Oh my god, this is so exciting. Today, it is actually five national holidays. Not national holidays, but like national days. Today, July 30, Thursday, the day this is being released, it is National Chili Dog Day, National Father-in-law Day, National Whistleblower Day, National Intern Day, and National Cheesecake Day. So you can finish off your chili dog with a great cheesecake today while celebrating your father-in-law, your people that called you out, your whistleblowers, and your interns. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay.

[5:04] Eli Tokash: Well, that being said, today, we have a really special guest. He, oh my gosh, he's so, he's such a beautiful human being. We have Taylor Trensch on, who has been in six Broadway shows. He's been in everything. It's unbelievable. And he stopped by to talk about his experiences in all of his different Broadway shows where he's done plays and musicals and readings. And he's gone on tour, and he's been on Broadway. So we hope you love it. We definitely did. And we love Taylor. And after this episode, you're going to fall in love with him.

[5:38] Sydney: Yeah. And before we turn it over to him, Taylor's doing something great at the moment where he's actually bringing Broadway to your home. You can catch him out on Broadway Podcast Network's new musical podcast called Bleeding Love. Go check it out. He's on it. There's so many other Broadway stars like Mark Kudish, Rebecca Naomi Jones, Sarah Stiles, Tony Vincent, all of these people. And they're all incredible. The story's great. So if you're looking for like new musicals to listen to, go check out Bleeding Love because he's in it. And he's incredible.

[6:13] Eli Tokash: Yeah. So take it away, Taylor Trensch.

[6:30] Eli Tokash: Joining us today, we have a very talented actor. His impressive six Broadway show resume helps back that up. And you can currently listen to him at Bleeding Love the musical, which is a new musical produced by BPN and more. It's a podcast so you can listen to it on any of the BPN platforms such as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and more. He's been at at least one of your top five favorite Broadway shows. Everyone, this is Taylor Trensch and we are so excited to have you.

[7:04] Taylor Trensch: I'm so excited to be here. Hi.

[7:06] Eli Tokash: Welcome. Thank you so much for coming on.

[7:09] Taylor Trensch: My pleasure. Can I just be a geek for one second and say that, Sydney, I saw you in Fun Home and Eli, I saw you in Finding Neverland and both of you individually were like my absolute favorite parts of those respective shows. I was like truly so blown away by both of you. So I feel a little starstruck to be here. It's so nice. Thank you.

[7:28] Eli Tokash: It's true. It's true.

[7:28] Taylor Trensch: That means so much. Thank you so much.

[7:31] Taylor Trensch: I have to say I saw you in Matilda because like every new group of kids would go into the show and I'd be like I have to see them because we all knew each other. So I saw like 18 times and like I loved your performances. God, this is crazy. You're currently on Broadway in To Kill a Mockingbird.

[7:48] Taylor Trensch: Yes. Yeah.

[7:48] Eli Tokash: So while Broadway's on hold, yes.

[7:51] Taylor Trensch: And you're playing a six-year-old boy, which is pretty cool.

[7:57] Eli Tokash: How was your reaction and like how did you find out that like we were going to be on a pause and what were the steps that was taken?

[8:04] Taylor Trensch: I remember the Schubert Theatre where To Kill a Mockingbird is, we share a wall with the Booth Theatre. And I remember we like caught wind that an usher at the Booth Theatre got sick. And that's like when little rumblings started happening in the theatre. And we were like, what's going to happen? Are they going to shut us down? And then I think like a couple of days later, there was that official announcement from the governor that was like, you're done for. And we all thought it may be like two weeks, three weeks, but cut to now.

[8:32] Eli Tokash: Right. And by the way, speaking of the Schubert Theatre, don't you hold the title for like the most shows in the Schubert Theatre?

[8:40] Taylor Trensch: I think that's true. I think it's like me or Bernadette Peters. And we are, we get confused.

[8:44] Eli Tokash: Wait, so how many, has it been three or four?

[8:50] Taylor Trensch: Three. To Kill a Mockingbird is number three.

[8:52] Eli Tokash: Wow. So Matilda, Hello Dolly, and To Kill a Mockingbird.

[8:57] Taylor Trensch: And then next we're going to do a three person production of, I don't know yet. Well, we'll figure it out today. That's what's going on next.

[9:05] Eli Tokash: So that's your home, basically.

[9:06] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, exactly. I think by now I get to just choose what goes there.

[9:10] Eli Tokash: Oh yeah, for sure.

[9:11] Eli Tokash: You spend more time there than in your apartment, I'm sure.

[9:15] Eli Tokash: So Taylor, it seems like you have a trend of playing like kids. You have like young features. You look so young. You look like you're 16. So it like totally works. Do you find like any challenges like playing a kid?

[9:28] Taylor Trensch: Totally. I think the older I get and the further away I get from being an actual child, there's like something about the world. And I think even New York that like hardens a person. And so like, I feel like with each passing year, it becomes like a little more difficult to tap into like childlike imagination. Have you guys found that at all? Even as you've both started like playing such young characters, and now that you're entering like teenage young adulthood sort of vibe, like has it been at all a challenge?

[9:54] Eli Tokash: I'll tell you what, when I was younger, and I was nine. Even then I had trouble playing kids because I always wanted I was like, I just feel more comfortable saying the adult lines like that's just normally how I would talk. But then like stuff would come in where they would just have children talking like three year olds. I'm like, this is not how we talk.

[10:12] Taylor Trensch: Right, right. So I naturally always kind of gravitate more towards the older lines. Because sometimes kids lines are hard to do and like make like convincing and genuine.

[10:23] Eli Tokash: Yeah, completely.

[10:24] Eli Tokash: But yeah, and then and then now we're teenagers. And yeah, for sure. Definitely. We can't we can't play 13 year olds anymore. But and then you know, we're kind of stuck in our own kind of age range 16, 17, 18, where they're probably just going to go for an adult to play younger. So yeah, I guess for sure.

[10:46] Taylor Trensch: I mean, hey, that's fine. I mean, I would love for you to audition as the same role as you. It's funny, because similar to Sydney, when I was a kid, I wanted to gravitate towards the adults. But now like, as I'm transitioning into a teenage phase, I like want to play a kid again, but I can't.

[11:01] Eli Tokash: I know there's something about when you're little, like all you want. Maybe it's like this desire to be taken seriously or something. But you want to like, like, I'm more mature than you think I am. And then finally, you get to that place where people are like, Okay, I'll treat you like an adult. And you're like, Wait, no, wait, I'm the baby.

[11:17] Taylor Trensch: When did you start acting?

[11:19] Taylor Trensch: I did like community theater. When I was like, five. I did a production of The Wizard of Oz and I peed my pants opening night.

[11:27] Eli Tokash: Iconic.

[11:31] Taylor Trensch: And like, ever since then, I fell in love with it and have not stopped. My first professional job wasn't until I was, I think, like 19.

[11:38] Eli Tokash: And that was in was that was in Spring Awakening.

[11:40] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, that was that was the National Tour.

[11:43] Eli Tokash: Wow.

[11:45] Eli Tokash: That's so your first ever professional job was a tour.

[11:48] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, obviously, having your first professional job be off Broadway or Broadway, that's huge. But then having it be a tour where you literally have to pack your life up in a suitcase and then just leave and just have that be the first professional thing that you do. That's scary. How did you manage that?

[12:04] Taylor Trensch: It was so kooky. There was no way to prepare for it really, like having had no previous professional experience. It was also like, New York houses are like, big, like, like, obviously, like you growing up, like you do like a show in school or something. And like, your parents come and you do three performances of it. And you're like, yeah, and then like, doing a show in New York, they were like, you know, 1000 people see it. But then in some of these houses, like on tour, we would go to theaters with like 5000 people sitting there watching you. So even that, like the adjustment of like, doing a play at my high school to them, like performing for 5000 strangers in Georgia, like, it was so kooky.

But it was nice to be it was like, with the exception of a couple of adult actors, most of us were all like, within a couple of years of each other. So it was at least nice to know that you were not alone that you were like, surrounded by people who are trying to navigate at the same time.

[12:56] Eli Tokash: That's nice. Yeah, you're all in it together. And Eli also has been on tour. He was in a tour with my brother actually in a Christmas story.

[13:03] Eli Tokash: Yeah. And he always talks about how the thing that really made the tour was the how first of all, you have everyone you travel together, and then you pretty much like live together. You have to live together and all that stuff. And it was really the family that they made that made the entire experience worthwhile.

[13:18] Taylor Trensch: For sure. Yeah. Did you have a parent come with you on tour? Or did you have like a child wrangler? What was so my first professional show like you was actually on a tour with Mary Poppins. And I did that for a year and a half.

[13:32] Taylor Trensch: Cool. I had my mom on that one. And then for Christmas story, I had my dad.

[13:36] Eli Tokash: Okay, so it was nice to have like a family and you were you were Mary Poppins. You play Mary Poppins?

[13:41] Taylor Trensch: Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I heard amazing things. Just second transformative.

[13:46] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Thank you. My favorite was playing in LA.

[13:50] Taylor Trensch: Okay, so Taylor. Hi. You have been in six different Broadway shows. You were in Wicked, Matilda, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime, Hello, Dolly, Dear Evan Hansen, and most recently, To Kill a Mockingbird. And you have originated roles, but you've also been the replacements for some roles. Both are really hard to do. Can you talk about the difference between originating roles and replacing people in roles?

[14:12] Taylor Trensch: Sure. Yeah, you're right. It's they're both like unique challenges. For so many actors originating a role is the dream. Like you would love to be the first to ever like, say lines and like have songs written for you. And, you know, from then on, like every production of it, you're like the blueprint of the role. But then because

[14:32] Taylor Trensch: Because there are no, there's no like framework and you just get to invent everything. That means there are like billions, just an infinity amount of like choices you can make. And so that sometimes is like so scary because you're like, what do I, what do I choose? How do I make this like a specific real person when like the world is my oyster? But then with replacing, there's like the pressure of whoever played the part before you, like, especially in Dear Evan Hansen, like having to follow Ben Platt, who people were like, this is the best performance of all time. Like, you can't help but be like, oh no. But there's also, and there's something like kind of nice about knowing, you already know the show works because if it's like stayed open long enough for you to step in as a replacement, you're like, okay, well, at least it's like people seem to like it. And the director has like already established some sort of like boundaries for you as an actor to play in. And I think that can be sort of helpful sometimes.

[15:27] Eli Tokash: For sure. And is it ever like, I'm sure it's kind of like maybe intimidating to go into a role, but is it ever intimidating the prospect of, oh, you have to go into a role and you have to make it your own, but you can't deviate so far from the character that people are like, whoa, hold on. Is that prospect ever intimidating?

[15:48] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, it's so true. You like want to, whatever I do, I always try to bring like myself to it because that's ultimately what will make it different and interesting. Is that like the choice that Sydney would make or the choice that Eli would make is the choice that no one else would make. So like the more you can sort of like call upon your own experiences and instincts, the better. But sometimes like, yeah, like what I want to do, especially in Dear Evan Hansen, like sometimes the things I wanted to do tonally didn't make sense in Dear Evan Hansen because I'm a little bit like walka walka, like in general in life. And that like Dear Evan Hansen is not exactly like blah, like broad comedy. So yeah, it's so true. It's like, you have to find the balance of like, how can I be different, but also how can I honor what the creative team has already like established as being true about this show.

[16:37] Eli Tokash: For sure. And, you know, bringing yourself into the role will in turn make it your own, make it yours. Kind of speaking of which, you have been in a lot of roles that have been like super happy and light and comedic, but you've also been in a lot of roles that have been quite dark. And in Dear Evan Hansen, you had to balance that, the comedy aspect of the show with the darker and the deeper and the more emotional aspects of the show. And comedy and drama, they're both different and both difficult in their own ways. Do you, which one do you think is easier for you? Or like from your own perspective, can you kind of explain how, you know, from an acting perspective, they're different or similar to each other?

[17:15] Taylor Trensch: Sure. You would think like, as long as you're like telling the truth, as long as you're like doing your best to be honest in the story that like, it doesn't matter if it's a comedy or a drama. That's always what I try to tell myself, but that's like not really the case. With comedy, there's like music and timing and the smallest thing, like the smallest movement of your feet can like step on a joke and ruin it. And in drama, I feel like there's a little more, there's a little more freedom to like be a little different every night. And in comedy, I feel like it's, you really want to like try to hit your marks or it's successful. I guess those are like the big differences for me.

[17:50] Eli Tokash: To stay on the topic of like going back to when you were like replacing roles and stuff, a few weeks ago, we had talked to Andrew Feldman and about how he was able to bring his own Evan to the table. And when you see like Taylor Trensch's Dear Evan Hansen, like you see like how you made it your own and how different the show, how different of a show you made. And so I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit about that and how, cause you say we have a blueprint, but you really, really made it your own. And so I just thought that.

[18:24] Taylor Trensch: Thanks. Yeah. I was lucky because I didn't, I was always like doing something whenever, Dear Evan Hansen was in Washington DC first and then it was off Broadway and then it eventually came to Broadway and like broke everyone's hearts open. And every time it was like in a production, I was lucky enough to be doing something else. So I never, I didn't get to see it until like right before I started performances, even though after I saw it, I was like, wait, I want to see it 800 more times. But I only really got to see it the one time and there was something nice about it because I didn't have, Ben's performance wasn't like stuck in my mind. Like I hadn't, when I joined a Spring Awakening as a replacement, I watched it like probably like almost a hundred times leading up to it.

Cause when we'd be rehearsing, we would go and see it every night. That way, then I had like the actor before me, I could only hear him saying the lines for so long. And it took me a longer time to like push that away and take ownership over it. And yeah, with seeing Dear Evan Hansen only once, there was never like, like I wasn't hearing Ben saying these lines. So I felt like that made it a little easier for me to inject myself into it. Cause I basically just had this script to work with. So I'd read a line and be like, how would I say this? What do I want to do with this line? And I think that was helpful in sort of making it my own.

[19:34] Eli Tokash: How do you relate to Evan?

[19:37] Taylor Trensch: Well, my arm is constantly broken.

[19:44] Eli Tokash: Really?

[19:45] Taylor Trensch: No, I've never broken a bone. Have you?

[19:47] Eli Tokash: Oh no, I haven't.

[19:49] Taylor Trensch: Oh my God, I hope we don't.

[19:50] Eli Tokash: You're lucky.

[19:51] Taylor Trensch: I know. It's not gonna work. We'd all fall, we'd all immediately skip and fall.

[19:54] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[19:55] Taylor Trensch: Podcasting somehow.

[19:56] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Have you twins, matching hats?

[19:59] Taylor Trensch: I relate to Evan because I think I, in like my whole adolescence, I always felt really like ordinary. I didn't think there was anything like too special about me. I just had such, and I'm still trying to break this habit, but especially growing up, I was always comparing myself to the people around me. And I just was, I could always be like, this is what's so special about this person. Like this person is so great at this. And I couldn't do that about myself. And I think that is very true of Evan. That was probably like the biggest point of connection between me and the character.

[20:32] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and something that has kind of been a theme in our podcast that a lot of people talk about is the fact that in this business, especially there's so much comparing, like a ton of comparing. Maybe more so than other businesses. So that's definitely, I think, something that a lot of people struggle with and it's a universal thing. And I think that's something, that's one of the reasons why Dear Evan Hansen has really touched people's hearts is because a lot of people really do feel like him.

[21:02] Taylor Trensch: Totally. Yeah, so this business, it's like, I'm sure you both have experienced it too. Like you go to callbacks for something and you see exactly who your competition is. And I don't like to think of it that way, but you see, you're like, well, one of us leaving here today is gonna get the part. And then maybe if you don't get it, maybe you go and see it later and you like look at what that person's doing. And you can't help but compare yourself to them. It's so hard to sort of break yourself of that.

[21:27] Eli Tokash: Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you have any like memorable stage door stories?

[21:33] Taylor Trensch: One time I signed a toilet seat while doing Spring Awakening.

[21:36] Eli Tokash: No way.

[21:37] Taylor Trensch: You said that way too casually.

[21:40] Taylor Trensch: I know. And I was also like, has this? I didn't ask, but I was like, have you sat on this? Or what has passed through this toilet seat before I touch it? Did you just do it? Did you just like not ask any questions?

[21:52] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, I think I just willingly signed it. Didn't wash my hands after.

[21:57] Eli Tokash: Oh.

[21:58] Taylor Trensch: Good for you.

[21:58] Eli Tokash: You know, oopsies.

[22:02] Taylor Trensch: Good thing for an 11-year-old.

[22:02] Eli Tokash: Good thing. And that's our time. That's the podcast.

[22:05] Taylor Trensch: And then on the flip side, doing Dear Evan Hansen, there were like so many. Dear Evan Hansen and the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime were like two experiences where every night I'd go out to the stage door and like someone would be just like inconsolable. And the show, with curious incident, it was often like parents saying, I've never been able to relate to my child. Like, I've never understood what life is like for my child. And now having watched this play, I feel like I have a better understanding of what they go through. And with Dear Evan Hansen, it was the same thing. It was like, a lot of parents were like, I have a child who struggles with depression or has attempted suicide. And it was so hard for me to connect with them. And now like through the writing of this musical, I feel like I can do that. And that has like been, those moments are like such highlights of being an actor, I think.

[23:12] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and both shows are about recognition in that people can recognize their self on stage. But it's also about, in these shows, different groups of people that haven't really previously been acknowledged or recognized in the past are now being finally acknowledged and recognized and people can relate.

[23:14] Eli Tokash: Yeah, for sure. And not only can people relate to those characters, but people who may not be able to relate to those characters can finally like see those perspectives in those stories, which is so beautiful.

[23:24] Taylor Trensch: In the center of a story.

[23:45] Taylor Trensch: I agree. Like in Fun Home, there were a lot of people that saw them, like for example, Ring of Keys, I say is a song of recognition. It's a song of a young girl seeing herself in someone else, in which a lot of people can see this young girl seeing herself in someone else and see themselves in her, which is really cool. But then also, like you said about the parents is, even if they can't relate specifically to the story, they can see that person in someone else and really see that side of the story and that perspective, which is really beautiful.

[24:03] Eli Tokash: For sure. So everything that you've like been in has been so meaningful and powerful, it's like crazy. Like, I don't know, you've gotten so many great roles.

[24:07] Taylor Trensch: It's fun, you.

[24:08] Eli Tokash: Hey, thanks. To be a part of, yeah. But Curious Incident was your only show that you did on Broadway that was a play. And so like, how did you find-

[24:15] Taylor Trensch: Antequila Mockingbird, right?

[24:19] Eli Tokash: Yeah, Antequila Mockingbird, yeah. But before Tequila Mockingbird, yeah, that was the only play. Can you talk a little bit about like how, I guess different, like a musical and a play is?

[24:28] Taylor Trensch: Mm-hmm. I feel so lucky. I feel like a lot of the time, I don't know if you guys have experienced this at all, but if you like start out in musicals, I feel like sometimes you like are just immediately thought of as like being a musical actor and people only want to cast you in musicals. And we have this like weird, there's this weird misconception in the theater industry that like, if you're a musical actor, like you're not, you can't be in plays because like, oh, you're like a musical theater actor. And why is that different from being an actor in plays? It just means that like you act and then also do other, like you have other skills in addition to that. Like you both also like have gorgeous voices.

So that's just a silly thing to me. But so I feel very lucky that I got a chance to do, to be in two Broadway plays when I feel like that's not the case for a lot of people. Differences are, I mean, and the wonderful thing about plays is you don't have to like wake up every morning and be like, hmm, is it all there? I feel on an individual level, I feel way more comfortable in a play because I've never been a very confident singer. Like it just is always terrifying to me whenever I hear like the opening notes of a song start to be played. I'm like, uh-oh, what's going to happen?

[25:39] Eli Tokash: Same though, same.

[25:41] Taylor Trensch: Yes. So, oof. As a 16 year old, I can relate.

[25:45] Taylor Trensch: Well, as a 30 year old, I'm still experiencing it.

[25:46] Eli Tokash: Oh no.

[25:48] Taylor Trensch: It's just like my voice cracks every performance. So, obviously the biggest difference is like, you're not singing, but it's, what's nice about that is when you burst into song, obviously that's not at all like real life. We don't ever, well, some of us do. In a play, you're always in this like one universe. And so I think it's easier to like go on the ride and be present and in the moment. And in a musical, there are so many more technical things that have to be like going on inside your brain while you're trying to be honest in your scene work and in your singing and stuff.

[26:30] Eli Tokash: I've never done a play on stage, but I really want to. Like that's something that I just, I really want to do. And I love musicals, but I also really love plays. I think both of them have such beautiful and fantastic and fun pros. And you know, also some things that are hard about them. Like musicals, I love being able to like burst out into a number. Like that's when I went to a musical as a child, like that was what I wanted to do. I was like, oh my gosh, I want to do that. But then also plays, I think are so refreshing. And like you said, are more comfortable because you don't have to every morning, like, okay, I can't have dairy, I can't have sugar because dairy will make me, give me phlegm.

And then, and then I can't have anything spicy. I can't have coffee. Sugar might restrict my breathing. I don't want that. I have to make sure I vocalize. I have to make sure I eat the specific right thing. So it's extremely technical if you have to sing eight shows a week. But yeah, no, what you said about how a lot of times musical actors are often always associated with musicals and play actors are always associated with plays. That is true. I've actually never even heard that put into words. But I agree with you that even if someone does musicals, that absolutely doesn't mean that they can't do plays and vice versa.

[27:34] Taylor Trensch: Right. Yeah, I agree. Do you find other than like your voice when you're in a play versus a musical, do you find yourself doing different things for your body as well?

[27:44] Eli Tokash: Totally.

[27:45] Taylor Trensch: I guess all the musicals, most of the musicals I've done have been like highly physical.

[27:50] Eli Tokash: Oh yeah.

[27:51] Taylor Trensch: Spring Awakening was like so much jumping up and down and stomping and ruining your kneecaps forever. And Hello Dolly was like just constantly running around and like bumping into things and falling down. And so yeah, it is totally, there's like, you have to be so much more careful about warming up and more diligent about warming up, I mean. And like making sure that you're taking steps outside of the show to like stay active and healthy so that you can do the show safely every night. And for the most part in plays, although Curious Incident was like probably harder than any musical I've ever done physically. But for the most part in plays, you're like sitting on a couch talking to your mom or screaming at her being like, you don't understand me mom. For some reason, when I think of plays, that's all I think about.

[28:34] Eli Tokash: You don't have to have like as extensive of a warmup, I think to like safely and effortlessly do a play.

[28:45] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, true. And cause like in musicals, you do have to get your emotional state ready, which is something you have to do in plays, but there's also another added aspect of, I think-

[28:57] Eli Tokash: Like are my ankles flexible so that I can do a cartwheel while I sing this song?

[29:01] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, and like where's my voice at?

[30:05] Taylor Trensch: It was like just so much text. They were like, why don't we ask three adult actors we know to read the parts of the kids so we can hear it out loud and we can like move faster and we don't have to like teach children all of this stuff. And so they invited me and Celia Keenan Bulger and Will Pullen to read these parts. And I think like midway through the first day as we were reading the play, Scott Rudin, the producer, pulled Bart Sher aside and they were like, oh, maybe it makes more sense to have these parts played by adults because we start the show looking back on our childhood and the whole play is sort of us remembering what happened. And so yeah, that day, they decided to have all the actors and then they invited the three of us to play the parts on Broadway, which that's the only time that's ever happened to me where like in the room, someone has been like, you have the job, you can come be on Broadway.

And we were like, ah! And I was like, oh my god, yes, of course. Yes, 100%. And then I left and suddenly realized that like a week prior to this, I'd already signed a Dear Evan Hansen contract. I'd already like committed myself to, which was also a phenomenal experience. I would like never trade it for the world. But I was like, wait, no! So it was tough to say goodbye to. And I feel so lucky that I got to revisit it and come back to it later. But also learning that it was going to be Gideon Glick, who is one of my best friends and favorite actors. It was like the perfect, it couldn't have happened better.

[31:28] Eli Tokash: Beautiful. And yeah, that is something really tricky about the business is sometimes you have to choose between multiple incredible projects. And that's always, that's always, yeah, no, that's always really hard.

[31:40] Taylor Trensch: So hard, but like, what a great problem to have.

[31:45] Eli Tokash: Can we talk a little bit about Bleeding Love?

[31:48] Taylor Trensch: Mm-hmm.

[31:49] Eli Tokash: So Taylor, talk a little bit about this because this is something that's really not normal, I guess. But like, what a perfect time to do it because Bleeding Love has like its own little version of quarantining and all that stuff. So talk about A, how it was recording this even though you had to do it like from your homes and trying to connect with other actors and stuff, but also how you were able to relate to the character and the story.

[32:19] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's like so kooky. All the, all of the actors who ended up recording the podcast, we all recorded a demo version of this, just the music like five or six years ago. And then when this happened, when the pandemic happened and Broadway was shut down, Broadway Podcast Network and the writers of Bleeding Love teamed up together to release this musical because it's so, it's about a group of people who, it's too dangerous to leave their homes and what like perfect timing. So reflective of today's world. That's so insane.

[32:50] Eli Tokash: I know. It's like, you couldn't write it.

[32:54] Taylor Trensch: Oh, I guess somebody did.

[32:57] Eli Tokash: I guess you can write it. In fact, write it. But one weird thing was like, because we'd already recorded the music, all of the music you hear in the podcast is what we recorded like five or six years ago. We'd like only recorded the dialogue in our own homes. And so it was a weird challenge to try to match the energy and like choices you were making five or six years ago. And then also try to make something new with people you weren't in the room with. It was so peculiar, but I guess it was like a great lesson and a reminder that acting is really just about listening to other people and like reacting to what you hear, because that was all you had was just listening to voices and then saying whatever made sense after that.

[33:36] Eli Tokash: Oh, so you were able to like have them in your ears as if you were having a conversation.

[33:41] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, exactly. It was sort of like what we're doing now where we're all like recording together, but we're in separate places like we could see and hear each other. You just couldn't like physically be in the room with them and like energetically. Yeah, exactly.

[33:54] Eli Tokash: Interesting. Yeah, that's so cool. This is kind of groundbreaking, because I don't think it's ever really, really been done before. Has it?

[34:02] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, not that I know of. I mean, it feels similar in a way to like radio plays from, you know, like 100 years ago, where people would like before you could go to the movies, you would like gather around your radio and listen to actors, like, just read a play out loud. But even then, I'm sure all of those actors were like in the same space around a microphone, getting to act together. So this does feel new, like Uncharted territory, where everyone is remotely doing their own part of the play. And then someone somewhere else, like puts it all together on their computer. Yeah, kind of like making history. You're making history right now.

[34:40] Eli Tokash: It's the coolest thing. I told I, the second it comes out, I totally want to listen to it. That's the coolest thing in the world. All three episodes. You're kidding. Check it out. Okay. Check it out right now.

[34:55] Taylor Trensch: You both just click you leave immediately the podcast.

[34:59] Eli Tokash: Yeah, shut up. I finished it today. Yeah, I finished the third episode today. I watched the first two like when it came out, but the third episode I didn't get to. So your character, you play Sweet William.

[35:11] Taylor Trensch: Yes. And he's like, obsessed with roses.

[35:18] Eli Tokash: Yes. And do you have like any obsessions or like even obsessions like during this quarantine or anything?

[35:23] Taylor Trensch: It's a great question. I mean, like my obsession during the quarantine is like eating, I guess. If something like if there's not a cookie in my mouth, like it means I'm asleep. Yeah. What are my obsessions? Harry Styles, honestly.

[35:37] Eli Tokash: Doesn't though. Right? He's so cool. And good. I wish I had like a beautiful obsession, like roses, like Sweet William does. But my it's truly just like cookies and Harry Styles. Any TV shows or anything? But cookies and Harry Styles is the coolest obsession.

[35:53] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I appreciate your support. But what am I watching? Oh, I just started watching a show called Normal People. I don't know if either of you have watched that. It's a little explicit. Is it on Netflix? Or? It's on Hulu, I think.

[36:13] Eli Tokash: Okay. Truly, I should know. I watch it all the time. But every time this quarantine, I don't know if you guys feel this way. Every time I like put my head to the pillow at night, I can just feel like a little part of my brain slip out of my ear. And like, it's gone forever.

[36:27] Taylor Trensch: No way, really? Yes.

[36:29] Eli Tokash: Turning your brain into mush.

[36:33] Taylor Trensch: Yes, truly. It's like just soup in there now. Oh, how are you two feeling? French onion, I guess. It's like something stinky. How are you both feeling during this like, kooky, spooky time?

[36:39] Eli Tokash: I have to say I've never been busier. Well, I've been busier. But I haven't been this busy in so long. So I haven't really taken a moment to just like chill out for a sec and really take in what's happening. But I've been using this time to get so much stuff done. I'm getting my splits back. I have been to watch so many TV shows. Excellent. How to get away with murder. Keeping up with the Kardashians, which I just got into. And I just realized it's so entertaining.

[37:17] Taylor Trensch: Oh yeah, it's incredible. It's insane. And eating Takis that my BFF sent to me because I one day was like, Hey, I'm gonna kind of die without Takis. And then he just goes on and he orders them for me. So I've been doing that. It's actually been pretty relaxing for the most like when I'm not when I'm having to doing like the fundraising stuff. It's been pretty relaxing and just gonna chill. That's good. Which is good because I haven't there hasn't really been a moment where I've freaked out which I've been trying to prevent myself from doing this entire time and I've succeeded. Yeah. And hopefully we're getting to the end. So I hope so. Okay.

[37:56] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Your experience?

[37:56] Taylor Trensch: Oh, I mean, it's been great. I mean, I'm doing school. It's been more schoolwork than I've done the entire year. We're doing the podcast. So there's another thing and like when I'm not like just busy and like trying to create entertainment, you know, I like to watch Netflix. I like I'm watching The Vampire Diaries at the moment.

[38:14] Taylor Trensch: Oh, wow. Have you ever watched?

[38:19] Eli Tokash: No, but one of my best friends from college is in it.

[38:23] Taylor Trensch: Oh, who? This actor named Chris Wood. I think he plays a character named Kai.

[38:27] Eli Tokash: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, is he the guy who is married to Melissa?

[38:33] Taylor Trensch: Yes, who plays Supergirl? No freaking way.

[38:36] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Yeah. One of my friends from... Okay. Talk more about this.

[38:40] Taylor Trensch: Okay. I'm not like kind of but like definitely I'm kind of in love with Melissa.

[38:45] Eli Tokash: Oh yeah. She's also like the kindest, funniest. She's like one of the great human beings on the Earth.

[38:53] Taylor Trensch: Absolutely. You can tell she's kind. And they're having a kid right?

[38:56] Eli Tokash: Yeah. So exciting. They're both going to be such incredible parents. Okay, so I'm not at the part where Kai comes into the season yet. Okay. Okay. But I do watch Supergirl. So I know him from there. So oh, right. That's right. He played what? Mon? No. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. Chris Wood played when we went to college together. And he played Sweeney Todd. And I played Pirelli in our school's production of Sweeney Todd.

[39:17] Taylor Trensch: No way. Sweeney Todd too? Oh my God. Which show haven't you like, really want to be in?

[39:26] Eli Tokash: My dream right now. Do you know Kristen Milioti, who was in Once? And she was she was in the final season of How I Met Your Mother. She ended up playing the mother, like in the title that everyone was like, who's the mother? She's this. She's like one of the best actresses. She's if you have either of you watched Black Mirror ever? Yes. Okay, she's, she's in an episode of Black Mirror that you have to watch. It will like blow your mind.

[39:48] Taylor Trensch: Which episode?

[39:53] Eli Tokash: I think it's called USS Callister, I think is the name of the episode.

[39:59] Taylor Trensch: Oh, I can't. I can't. Okay, I'll go look and I'll see. Check it out. Look it up. It's so good. It's about she like works at a video game company. She like develops video games. And then her boss like, puts her like being her mind inside of a video game. And she's like trapped in the video game. And it's like the most incredible performance. Anyway, my dream is to be in cabaret with her. But we switch playing the MC and Sally Bowles every night. I think so. That's legendary. So if you guys want to be in it, we'll be lucky to have you.

[40:28] Eli Tokash: Yeah, for sure. Maybe all four of us will switch constantly. Yeah. Like every song, tag somebody. I don't know if you know this, but like, I'm a very good dancer. So like, if you need some background, you're everything. You're every single Kit Kat girl. Where do I signed? Yeah, I take I take this verbal conversation. Your contract is signed.

[40:56] Taylor Trensch: Oh, great. You can't get out of it. Sorry. Also, it's eight years and you can't get out.

[40:59] Eli Tokash: Oh my goodness. That sounds great. That's not bad. Perfect.

[41:06] Taylor Trensch: Like a professional ballerina.

[41:08] Eli Tokash: Oh yeah.

[41:12] Taylor Trensch: Me too. I wouldn't when I got the part of Hello, Dolly. First of all, we had a there was like a big dance call for Barnaby because the character breakdown said strong dancer in all caps and like, that is not me. I am horrible. I sprained my ankle in the dance call. On the very first step. I like to do like a bell kick to the side and just fully sprained my ankle. Oh, and I was like, oh, I'm not getting this. I couldn't even I couldn't last like 30 seconds in a dance call. But I did and Beanie Feldstein, who played Minnie Faye opposite me. She was like strong dancer and she her dad called her like seconds before our first rehearsal as she was walking in to be to meet Bette Midler for the first time. Her dad called and was like, Beanie, I just read that it says Minnie Faye is supposed to be a strong dancer. What are you going to do? It's gonna be bad. Thank you. Thanks, dad. I feel very confident now to go meet.

[42:07] Eli Tokash: What a great pep talk.

[42:10] Taylor Trensch: Thank you for your support and encouragement. I appreciate it.

[42:12] Eli Tokash: What are you gonna do? You're gonna ruin the play, Beanie.

[42:19] Taylor Trensch: I would like cry.

[42:22] Eli Tokash: We did basically every day. We fell a lot during that show, Beanie and I.

[42:26] Taylor Trensch: Oh, really?

[42:28] Eli Tokash: You're good now.

[42:31] Taylor Trensch: Still haven't broken a bone. So good.

[42:32] Eli Tokash: That's true. You're right.

[42:33] Taylor Trensch: That reminds me one performance of Fun Home. I fully, fully face planted on stage. I don't know how I did it. But it was one like part where I was like, supposed to we're in like the New York scene and all of the siblings come into the apartment and we run in through the door and then slam the door on our other sibling and are like, Landshark, yeah, it's a Landshark. And like when I open the door, I think because the door is the door, it comes up through its own like, all right, so there's a little tiny gap in the stage. And I think oops, you like that legitimately, like, it couldn't have been a better if there was a competition I would have won.

[43:37] Taylor Trensch: Even when he went on, it was our first time ever practicing that. It was our very first time doing it on stage, and even then, he was like rock solid. But yeah, when I faceplanted Oscar Williams, who played my brother and I, we legitimately couldn't stop laughing. Luckily, in our scene, we had to be laughing, but we couldn't stop laughing until Ring of Keys. I was backstage like, I gotta get this out. Oh my god, that was hilarious. I think I could give you a run for that, faceplants, because Neverland, we literally just didn't stop running around the stage and on the bench and everything. And then Pippin, I was on a balancing ball and a lot of times that I fell off that. I seem to remember Rachel Bay Jones even fell off of her tricycle.

It's a tricycle. It's designed so you don't fall over, and somehow still, she just tipped over. It's super small, so it's hard to steer and everything, especially when you're as tall as her. She's not a short girl. Also, she's got too many other skills. She's already a brilliant actress and singer. It would be too much to ask for her to be a really good tricyclist.

[44:48] Eli Tokash: Exactly. Oh my gosh, that's too funny. I forgot you did that show. I loved that show. What a kooky experience. Doing Pippin alone is so special and hard, and to add on all of those elements you had to do, how cool and scary and fun.

[45:02] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, I learned a lot of cool tricks there. It's crazy, because everyone that I talk to now, I didn't realize it at the time because I was so young, but everyone is like, I'm an actor. They were asking me to do trapeze. What is that? And I was like, yeah, it makes sense, but I never thought of it like that. Because we did have real circus people that would be hard to lose. I didn't really know who was who. It was my first show. I was like, hi. Everyone's being asked to do a backflip through a hula hoop, so you're like, I guess they're all circus performers and actors. I'll tell you what, that's my favorite part about being an actor, though, is sometimes you have to learn new skills, but that's the cool thing, because then you get to learn new skills for free.

[45:46] Eli Tokash: Totally. I once had to learn, too. I did a musical at Williamstown Theater Festival, and I had to learn how to ride a unicycle, which I don't even know how to ride a bicycle. I never learned. So I was starting off with the hardest thing. I had to ride a unicycle and play the violin at the same time while riding the unicycle. It was so hard. I worked so hard on it. I finally mastered it, and then they cut it from the show. I was like, we're doing it. I don't care. We're doing this. I learned how to do it, and we're putting it in the show.

[46:30] Taylor Trensch: Hey, but it's difficult to learn it, even if you didn't, even if you mastered it and you got it.

[46:35] Eli Tokash: That's true. I had the personal satisfaction of having once played the violin while riding a unicycle. Do you think you could do it?

[46:42] Taylor Trensch: Absolutely not. Oh my God. I'm sure I would. How hard you both hit the ground in your respective face plants on stage, it would be like 10 times that. I would break. We've never broken a bone, and I would, in that moment, break every bone for us.

[46:53] Eli Tokash: Oh great. Oh, that's great. Break three, one for each of us.

[46:59] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Take one for the team. Thank you.

[47:06] Eli Tokash: Anytime. This has been so much fun. And it's been so great to talk to you. You're so nice and humble and meeting you. It's a pleasure to meet both of you. I'm such fans for life. You're such a beautiful human being. We love you for our production of Cabaret for the next year. And this is gonna be the best thrilling. As soon as this quarantine lifts, everyone go see him in To Kill a Mockingbird.

[47:25] Taylor Trensch: Yeah, please. Incredible.

[47:32] Eli Tokash: Take a bow, Taylor Trensch. Wow. You know, I have to admit, Sydney and I, neither of us knew Taylor, like, met Taylor or anything like that. So this was the first interview that actually none of us had known the guest. But I and I and I have to say I was pretty nervous.

[47:46] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, coming on and talking because not only did I not know him, but neither did Sydney. So we were like, Hmm, how's this gonna go? And I have to say, Taylor coming on and just saying that, you know, he saw us and he saw you in Fun Home and saw me in Neverland. Like, I was just like, kind of star struck for a moment. But at the same time, it was like, the perfect icebreaker that I didn't know I needed, because it just instantly relaxed me. And I was kind of like, okay, so like, he knows us, you know, we know him, like, we know his work, like, this can work. It'll be okay.

[48:28] Eli Tokash: Yeah. And from the second he came on, he has the energy that makes you feel like he's an old friend. Like, yeah, no, those people who you talk to them, and they just make you feel so comfortable. You feel like you've known them forever. That's the kind of guy Taylor is.

[48:43] Sydney Lucas: Also, I had a couple of technical difficulties.

[48:48] Eli Tokash: Oh my gosh. So he was actually so nice about it. And I was like, freaking out. But it was so good because like, thank God Sydney was there because he had someone to talk to. And I was just like, freaking out. And I came back on and he was like, Oh, no worries. Don't worry. He was so I was like, Wow, he was so understanding.

[49:06] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, understanding. And he was like, it's no problem. It's fine.

[49:11] Eli Tokash: Yeah. And we were just able to pick up right back where we left off. And we were freaking out. And he was like, it's okay.

[49:21] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, he was like, it's okay. Like, it's tech. You know, so we're very, very thankful for Taylor. And we loved him. So we're excited that he was our 10th episode. We hope you guys enjoyed it as well.

[49:35] Eli Tokash: There's a couple more things that I wanted to mention, not related to the interview. This is going back to the Broadway Live at Five. On the Live at Five, we were asked by Juliana Patera, big friend of the podcast.

[49:48] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, shout out to Juliana.

[49:49] Eli Tokash: Yeah. She asked us what our dream role would be. And Sydney, what did you say to that?

[49:57] Sydney Lucas: Oh, my dream role is definitely for sure something that hasn't been written yet, or something that I will write someday. Right, right. So I said that I would want to do something that wasn't written yet, because I haven't been original Broadway cast. I also said Seymour from Little Shop of Horrors. And I also said like every other teenager, Dear Evan Hansen. But I thought like, at the same time, although I want to do that, I also there's two more that I that came to my head, like instantly after I answered the question. And those two were I would love to play J.M. Barrie in a revival of Finding Neverland. And I would love to play Philip, who Zac Efron plays in The Greatest Showman.

[50:45] Eli Tokash: Oh, I feel like that's gonna come to Broadway. Do you think so? That would be perfect.

[50:51] Sydney Lucas: Oh my God. No, I really think that could come to Broadway. And I would love to play Zac Efron's role. I would love to watch that.

[50:57] Eli Tokash: I don't think there's a role in it for me. But oh my gosh, you could so play Jenny Lin, like the Never Enough.

[51:04] Sydney Lucas: Could I?

[51:05] Eli Tokash: Yeah, you so good. Just like you're, you're like, you could totally pull off a British person. Like you kind of look British, not gonna lie.

[51:11] Sydney Lucas: Also, you like, I am in fact, 50% British and Irish.

[51:18] Eli Tokash: I know. I know that. So that's why so it works. And you know, like, you're just all your elegance and everything like I just feel like you could just pull off a role like that.

[51:31] Sydney Lucas: I'm elegant.

[51:32] Eli Tokash: I do. I do. Oh, that's so interesting. I think I'm like the least elegant person in the world.

[51:38] Sydney Lucas: And you're very proper. Like every time you ask a question, you're always like, hey, question. And I always feel like and I always like, I'm like, wow, that was such a nice like, way to do it. Because like, when people ask questions, it can sometimes come off as like aggressive or something like that. But when you ask a question, it's always just like, hey, question, how did this work?

[51:58] Eli Tokash: And I'm always glad that you think that.

[52:05] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, you made my day. I didn't know you thought I was elegant, but thank you very much.

[52:12] Eli Tokash: Hey, it's my pleasure. You know, as we continue to do this podcast together and get to know each other, you pick up those things. So it's the pleasure is all mine.

[52:25] Sydney Lucas: The other thing I wanted to say is, I love you.

[52:30] Eli Tokash: Thank you. I love you too. We also have some cool new interviews coming up. Sydney and I are getting back are towards the end of our first recording spurt. And so we're finally getting back into recording new guests. So we're very excited about that.

[52:43] Sydney Lucas: Basically, what that means is, when we first started out, we were pretty much like go big or go home, we are going to record at least one podcast every day, if not two, and we're going to like bank with just basically like record 11 episodes within the span of like a couple weeks.

[53:01] Eli Tokash: It was 12 episodes within the span of like, a couple weeks. And then we started releasing. So you know, that was, that was definitely it definitely got us a lot of a lot more practice. But also like in hindsight, what we probably should have done is recorded an episode, listen to it to see if there are any annoying things like if we say um, too much or like too much, or even like questions that we think of of like, Oh, why didn't I ask this question? Or like, why didn't I say this certain thing? Like, I don't know, just so why did I say that? Just stuff like that. And just to give ourselves mental.

[53:54] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, so now we're learning basically, we did, we spent a bunch of time recording episodes. And then we spent a bunch of time editing and releasing episodes. And now we're in the stage again of mass recording episodes again. So we have some really, really, really cool guests. And we're really, really excited to have them on.

[54:09] Eli Tokash: Definitely notice the difference of these interviews compared to the other ones. So and I think you're gonna at least we hope so.

[54:15] Sydney Lucas: Yeah, yeah. That's true. But no, for Sydney and I were just able to like, you know, cherish it and have more fun with it and be an ass and be better about asking the questions that we wanted to and responding the way that we intended and relating to it a lot more and kind of sharing our stories as well.

[54:38] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and we're learning so much. And we're also getting a whole new perspective of what it's like to be the interviewer as opposed to on the other side of the mic, the interviewee. And we're getting just this whole new respect for interviewers. And we're also finding out that it's becoming easier to, to be the interviewee in an interview, because we're now like thinking in terms of Oh, what would I as an interviewer want?

[55:06] Sydney Lucas: Well, yeah, not only that, it's also making us more comfortable and more confident in interviews, because we have, yeah, done 15 now with guests and stuff.

[55:12] Eli Tokash: Yeah. So that that's been super helpful. And that's it was something interesting that we kind of learned about ourselves on that Broadway.com Live at Five. So definitely go check that out. Quick plug Broadway.com.

[55:30] Sydney Lucas: So I hope you guys enjoyed the episode with Taylor. Unfortunately, I've never actually seen him in Dear Evan Hansen to Kill a Mockingbird. And I didn't see him in Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime. But I was able to see him in Matilda. So I was very thankful for that. But ever since that I've wanted to see him in another show because he was just so amazing as Mr. Wormwood because that character is just like funny and hilarious. So when he was in Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime afterwards, I really wanted to see him because, you know, that's more of like a serious role and stuff like that. And I was already like a big fan of his. And then after that, he went to Dear Evan Hansen and now he's in To Kill a Mockingbird. So I really, really, really hope to see him. And hopefully when this, you know, pause from Broadway comes back, Sydney and I are both able to go check him out in To Kill a Mockingbird. And hopefully you guys can too.

[56:29] Eli Tokash: Anyway, we hope you love this episode. We love Taylor so much. Taylor, come back anytime. We love you. And we would always you are always welcome on the podcast. And yeah, go check out Patreon. Go check out Live at Five. And as always, stay safe and we love you so much. Thank you so much for supporting. Cheers to 10 episodes and here's to many, many more.

[56:56] Sydney Lucas: Well said. See you next week, everyone.

[57:05] Eli Tokash: Sick beat, am I right? For our curtain call, we wanted to give a few special thank yous to Nikki Torsha and Cormac Cullinan for our amazing music, Giselle Bustos for designing our logo, and Tessie Tokash and Sydney Lucas for editing our episodes. Feel free to subscribe and leave a review on whatever platform you are currently listening to us from. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the help of Dory Berenstein, Alan Seales, Brittany Bigelow, and Katie Rosen at the Broadway Podcast Network, as well as our top patrons, Henry Friedman and Brian Thompson.

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[58:03] Eli Tokash: See you next week! Bye, everyone!