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[0:01] Eli Tokash: Hello everyone and welcome to episode 212 of Take A Bow. I'm your host Eli Tokash and we are back baby. I'm so excited to be back with another episode of Take A Bow after our little brief hiatus.

[0:22] Eli Tokash: Which if you guys didn't listen to the message yesterday that I posted on our little podcast feed here, give it a listen if you feel free. If not, here are the Sparknotes version. We're back. We took a little brief hiatus as we just take a moment, take a bow, take a moment, to plan out what the next steps are of Take A Bow.

[0:48] Eli Tokash: Obviously, we love doing our podcast every week. And I just enjoy coming on here and talking to guests and all the fun stuff. But it's hard to continue to ask, you know, like an hour out of, you know, people's days who are doing eight shows a week, and trying to get those new guests in here on a weekly basis.

[1:13] Eli Tokash: And of course, we manage especially of late to turn our like podcast into many, you know, TikTok clips and YouTube videos and all of that good stuff. And the reaction to that has been overwhelmingly incredible.

[1:31] Eli Tokash: And so we just wanted to figure out, you know, maybe how to do that a little bit more. And just make an efficient, just making sure that we are being efficient. And, you know, while giving you all content that you all can continue to be entertained by, and hopefully enjoy.

[1:56] Eli Tokash: As well as maximizing our guests' times that they are willing to give us on a weekly basis or whatever it may be. So we want to see the fun stuff that we are planning.

[2:12] Eli Tokash: I don't want to announce any of that soon. Because obviously, we're just not fully ready to announce it yet. I'm not fully ready to announce it yet. And that's good. And I'll keep you all updated.

[2:28] Eli Tokash: In the meantime, I'm calling this little moment that we are now back. I'm calling season four. We may do more weekly episodes where it's just me. Maybe we do weekly episodes where it's just like me and a friend who has already been on the show.

[2:47] Eli Tokash: And maybe we don't talk about their careers. And we literally just talk about like pop culture on Broadway. And like all the exciting news going on surrounding the entertainment industry as well. So like movies that we're seeing or music that we are enjoying right now.

[3:02] Eli Tokash: But obviously, staying under the Broadway theater kid sort of umbrella of that sort of entertainment. So very excited for what's to come. And then of course, maybe doing some content pieces as well.

[3:19] Eli Tokash: So that'll obviously be on like our TikTok and YouTube. And those are both you can find at Take About Podcast or Take About on Bway. And yeah, we're just super excited as we head into this new season of Broadway. And that's kind of why we're calling it season four, because now I started this in 2020.

[3:42] Eli Tokash: And so we're now in 2024. And this is the fourth Broadway season that I'm going to be doing this podcast during. So here we go. Let's see how it goes. And we're starting it off today with an incredible guest and an incredible conversation that we talk about all sorts of things.

[4:05] Eli Tokash: Yes, we have the incredible fun stories from, you know, so our guest this week is Robyn Hurder. If you didn't know, now you know. And we talked about so many great things. So for you Moulin Rouge fans out there, we talk about that. We talk about Chicago a little bit. We talk about A Beautiful Noise.

[4:26] Eli Tokash: And we talk about just life in general. And we talk about her being a mom and doing Broadway. And we talk about a dear friend of ours, well of hers really. And I was fortunate enough to be in the same room as them and kind of watch them work together and collaborate on it.

[4:48] Eli Tokash: And specifically, most recently last year, during the run of I Put a Spell on You, which is the benefit concert that I do around this time every year. And both Robyn and I are going to be involved in that this year. Robyn's performing. I usually just help out and doing like production stuff for it and helping the director and all of that good stuff.

[5:14] Eli Tokash: The producer, even the costume, the creative director and all that. So we have a great time every year. And that's actually going to be this Monday. So we're going to talk about that, of course.

[5:25] Eli Tokash: So hopefully you all can come join us and come hang and celebrate this spooky season that we're now in, while also celebrating a dear friend, Gavin Creel, who is an incredible light in this industry. And we want to just continue to honor him and keep his legacy alive.

[5:50] Eli Tokash: His kindness goes far beyond anyone else I've ever met. I've met him several times throughout my career and time in New York. And it's crazy. He's one of the only people that like every time I saw him, it didn't matter how much I changed. It didn't matter if my voice was high, if my voice was lower.

[6:16] Eli Tokash: He always said, hi, Eli. And he always remembered who I was and how he knew me or where he recognized me from, wherever it may have been. And that's just like those people you don't forget. Because there's literally people that I work with that are like, holy cow, I can't believe that's you.

[6:41] Eli Tokash: So it's crazy that, you know, little short term meetings with someone can have such an impact on someone's life. And that's what Gavin's did to me.

[6:56] Eli Tokash: And I'm thrilled to have been able to meet him and just see him be his unbelievably talented self, his professional self, while still being so kind and treating everyone as equals from, you know, an intern to a, you know, co-star to the biggest producer in the room or whatever it may be.

[7:21] Eli Tokash: Everyone was equal. And that is, those are the things that you don't forget about someone. And his talent really, I can't say it enough. There's so many people that looked up to him. And, you know, there's that cliché motto or whatever you want to say, where it's like, don't meet your heroes.

[7:43] Eli Tokash: But Gavin was one of those heroes that you wanted to meet, that you, if you met him, if you were lucky enough to meet him, you were blessed. And you were reminded why what we do is so important, because he remembered that every step of the way.

[8:05] Eli Tokash: He never complained about anything. He was just so excited, so unbelievably happy always in a theater. And he would come to work with a smile on his face every day, remembering and reminding everyone that what we're doing is so incredibly fun.

[8:29] Eli Tokash: And it's, we're coming to play. And we're here, and what we're doing, we're so lucky to do that. And so he never lost sight of that. And he was the constant reminder to everyone in a room of this is, we are here for a reason.

[8:47] Eli Tokash: And this, we are lucky enough to be doing this as a job, as a career, all of these wonderful reminders that we can easily lose sight of. And so, you know, we want to dedicate this episode to Gavin, as this whole weekend, we want to dedicate it to him through the I Put a Spell on You fun show and live event.

[9:16] Eli Tokash: So with that being said, let's talk about some Broadway news before we turn it over to Robyn Hurder herself, and hear a little bit more about that.

[9:28] Eli Tokash: Um, so obviously, it's been a minute since we all chatted last. And so there's lots to catch up on. But we're slowly, but surely going to do that. So we're not going to do that all in one sitting here today. Because, you know, this would be a long episode. And frankly, if I store it to the, you know, move it to next week or whatever, we have some content for next week. So it's all good.

[9:55] Eli Tokash: Anyways, so to start out, I'm going to start with the recent news. And honestly, there's so many exciting things happening, especially this week, as far as news in the Broadway world. And before I talk about it, I just want to say that this past week, or last week, actually, last week it was, I was lucky enough to attend the opening night of Safety Not Guaranteed, which is a limited run.

[10:22] Eli Tokash: And I'm talking to you about it because it literally closes on Sunday. And that's how limited of a run it is. And it's happening at BAM right now in Brooklyn. It's off Broadway, but it is one of the coolest venues I'd ever been to. It's my first time ever there. And the show itself is absolutely brilliant.

[10:42] Eli Tokash: I took my sister, my sister ended up going back this week to see it again. She brought a group of six people, her friends. And that's how much like we fell in love with this. I talked about it on the little message from yesterday. But literally, as theater, as performers, as theater kids, as, you know, human beings in general.

[11:06] Eli Tokash: I feel like it's safe to say that we have all either felt a sense of, you know, being on the outside or being alone, or just simply like an outsider. Or we felt, if you haven't felt like that, there's a really, really wonderful message about time and regret also.

[11:34] Eli Tokash: So like, going back to fix something, or going back in time to redo something, because maybe this moment in my life could have changed my life, or I want to fix this moment or something like that.

[11:48] Eli Tokash: So our relationship with time is such an interesting thing that I feel like a lot of people can relate to. And whether it is regret, or it's just you come to terms with like, hey, if that didn't happen, I wouldn't be where I am today.

[12:03] Eli Tokash: It's so unbelievably important to kind of revisit that message and think about that and be like, hey, just a reminder, like we may feel these things, and we may wish that we could do things differently.

[12:18] Eli Tokash: But like, we wouldn't be here today. And we wouldn't have done so many incredible things. And the people who are important to us now may not be the people that were important to us if I chose this other path or did something else.

[12:32] Eli Tokash: So it's really interesting about, it's got so many relatable messages. And Taylor Trench is the star of the show. He is absolutely brilliant in this show. Taylor is one of my favorite actors of all time.

[12:47] Eli Tokash: And I'm not just saying that, because I like know him, and he's been on here and whatever. He is brilliant. And I am so lucky enough to have seen the show. And I hope that everyone listening at least checks it out in some capacity, whether it is buys a ticket to go see it, or it's just like, follow it on social media.

[13:06] Eli Tokash: And I truly believe that it's one of those shows where it's like, oh my gosh, I saw that show when blank, blank, blank. And I think that it's worth it.

[13:14] Eli Tokash: Jessica Vosk is going to be replacing Shoshana Bean in Hell's Kitchen, starring December 12th. And when I say replacing Shoshana Bean, Shoshana Bean is currently playing the role of Jersey in Hell's Kitchen. There was an announcement that the current standby, Donna Vivino, is going to be like temporarily stepping into the role. And then like the next day it was announced that Jess was cast. And so I think there was a lot of confusion as to how all that would work and who was actually taking over the role and blah, blah, blah. So it turns out that Shoshana Bean will be leaving on December 1st, I believe. And then Donna Vivino will be playing the role for, I believe, like 10 days. So about a week and a half until the 11th of December.

And then starting December 12th, Jess will be stepping into the role of Jersey in Hell's Kitchen. So I'm super excited for that. Jessica Vosk back on the boards, baby. I cannot wait to see that. I cannot wait to have Jessica Vosk back on Broadway. Also, everyone listening to this, if you're all our fans of Jessica Vosk, which honestly, who isn't? If you know who she is, you're like, oh my god, she's insane. Everyone just send good vibes and send some love to Jessica right now because she's got some great and exciting news coming back to Broadway. But she is going through some personal stuff right now. And I do think that that played a factor in not being able to step into the role right after Shoshana leaves and there's a brief period of the standby going on.

So just send Jess some love. And I think she would really appreciate it and some positive vibes and all the things. But we're very excited for her nonetheless and are keeping her and her family in our thoughts always. Moving on, Sadie Sink is going to be coming back to Broadway as well, which is super exciting. And she's going to be leading a new play called John Proctor is the Villain, and that's coming to Broadway this spring. So you have some time, it'll be after New Year's. And yeah, it'll be very exciting and something fun for us to see. The full cast was not announced yet, we will obviously keep you all posted. But Sadie Sink leading the way, it's definitely going to be something special.

Moving on, one last little note here. Eddie Perfect. Okay, so I know Beetlejuice isn't currently on Broadway, but it is currently playing in Australia. And I doubt we have any listeners in Australia. Maybe, if so, hey. But yeah, Beetlejuice currently playing in Australia. And there was some exciting news that Eddie Perfect, who actually composed the show, Beetlejuice, is going to be playing the title role of Beetlejuice in Australia. So that's super exciting. I think anyone who has gotten the chance to see someone like, you know, even Lin-Manuel Miranda, or like Pazzie Kim-Paul, you know, we see those chilling videos go around of the Greatest Showman readings that I love to talk about. They, just composers playing and performing their own songs, there's just a certain type of like, joy and passion and just another level of like, oh my god, this is like brilliant.

So the fact that Eddie Perfect is giving audiences that treat over in Australia is something really cool. So I know there's a lot of Beetlejuice fans, thought a lot of you would, you know, enjoy hearing that, or perhaps hearing that and wanting to go see it. So definitely go see it and make a trip to Australia if you are so inclined to do so. But very exciting stuff nonetheless. And then Suffs is actually going to be closing. Suffs announced it's closing. I was actually kind of surprised by this one. Obviously there's a lot of shows that announced closing since the last time I chatted with you. You know, Stereophonics is closing January 12th, Water for Elephants closing December 8th, Notebook closes December 15th, and then Suffs is closing January 5th.

So those were the shows that were like, if there are shows that are closing, those are the shows that we're going to close. Stereophonics was always limited. And then the Notebook, I was actually surprised about because I just absolutely loved the Notebook so much and thought it was doing better. But you know, things that's the nature of the biz. So interesting stuff to follow along there and see what's next for those theaters and next shows and everything. But I've heard nothing but great things about this production of Suffs. I saw it at The Public. I'm going to go back and see it here on Broadway before it closes on January 5th. I was actually just with Dana Costello. Oh, that's like a whole podcast episode.

We had a funny Neverland reunion, y'all. That was the greatest thing ever, warmed my heart so much. And I'll mention more about it very soon. But yeah, so got to see Dana, and she was just telling me all about it. And you know, she was talking so glowingly about it, and was like, it's literally like my favorite show that I've ever done. So who knows? Maybe we'll have Dana on here to talk more about it. And especially during this time of, you know, voting right around the corner for our president. And yeah, speaking of everyone, if you have not already, everyone who is 18 years or older should register to vote. Every vote matters. Your voice matters. And it's so important in this upcoming election to vote and use, you know, your power and voice as, you know, citizens.

So it's super important, and I cannot wait. This is the first presidential election that I have the opportunity to vote in. So strongly, I'm very excited, and I strongly encourage anyone my age or anyone whose first time this is to vote in the presidential election to do so. And if you have not registered, register ASAP so that you can do so. Yeah, okay, well that's all that. Guys, there's so many things to talk about. Okay, sorry. That's all I have for you folks this week because I'm going to go on forever otherwise. And without further ado, I think it's time to turn it over to Robyn Hurder. So this episode is absolutely fantastic. I can't wait for you all to hear a sort of different style as it's not so career-based and show-by-show. We really do take the time to just talk, and it's really great. So curious to hear what you all think, and very excited to hear all about it. So without further ado, Robyn Hurder, curtain up.

[21:11] Eli Tokash: All right y'all, today we have a legend on the podcast today who happens to be one of my all-time favorite performers. You may have seen this Tony nominee, not a big deal, in one of her seven Broadway shows. Yeah, seven. And she is a Tony nominee who is the truest triple threat, both onstage and offstage, as she's a mother, wife, and Tony nominee, all the other things, you know, whatever you want to do the off life or offstage triple threat. And then speaking of like being on stage, if you've missed her on stage since the last couple weeks, since she was last on Broadway because she's booked and busy, you can see her this Monday at Webster Hall in I Put a Spell on You, a fundraising concert benefiting the Ali Forney Center. So it is my pleasure to welcome, to take a bow, Robyn Hurder. Hi Robyn.

[21:31] Robyn Hurder: Hi, that was such a kind intro, my goodness. I love the introductions. I hate talking about myself, but when it comes to gassing other people up, I'm all for it. Oh, that was really, really kind. Very, very generous. Thank you.

[21:40] Eli Tokash: Oh my god, of course. Well, there's so many exciting things going on in your life right now, but also like your life in general and what's already happened in your life is super exciting. So I want to start at the beginning and just ask you, you know, like I usually start these shows by being like, you know, like why are we here? Like where, where did this all come from? What was it that made you want to say yes to theater? And like for you, like I know you're obviously a brilliant dancer, like was it always theater or was it like kind of dance first and kind of how did you make that transition, I guess?

[22:53] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, I want to start off because you said, you said something that, you said like, why do we do this? Right. And now, and, and the first thing that I thought of, what popped into my head was Gavin and Gav, there was a quote going around and he says the, the, you know, I'm, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, the wonderful thing about theater is that it never dies. You know, we go through struggles and ups and downs, but it's always there. And it's so, I, the more I do this business and the more I perform on stage and I, I feel the energy from the audience. It's a reminder of how important live theater is because it really does, people need that in their lives and they don't even realize that they need it in their lives.

But so I just wanted to like start there that it's like, yes, it's, it's crucial. We have to do it. We have to keep changing people's lives. But the way it started, I was six years old and I saw Cats, a classic tale. I, I'm from Maine and the national tour was there in like, gosh, 80, 80, how old, like 88, I guess. And I hadn't really started dancing yet, but I was just like, I saw these cats on stage. I was with music and I was like, wait, I think it was really the first time I saw like performance on stage, singing and acting, even if they were cats. And, and I loved it. And I, you know, my parents got the soundtrack and listened to it over and over and over again. And I, I recreated the show in my head, in my living room.

And, and then they brought me to see Les Mis, that was my next one at seven. And then I was like in my house, listening to the soundtrack, like being a lovely lady, like I needed to be like not Cosette or like Fantina or Eponina. I was like, I want to do Lovely Ladies.

[25:09] Eli Tokash: Oh my word.

[25:10] Robyn Hurder: She tracks, she tracks.

[25:13] Robyn Hurder: I mean, it really did. I just-

[25:15] Eli Tokash: Seven year old is just, I would just, it's crazy.

[25:17] Robyn Hurder: Lovely ladies, what you waiting for? Singing every lyric, having no idea what was coming out of my mouth. My parents were like, aren't, isn't that cute? Isn't that cute?

[25:27] Eli Tokash: Right.

[25:29] Robyn Hurder: Anyway, so, but you know, my mom and I had so much energy. So my, and I dance all the time. My mom just threw me in dance class. She's like, do something with it. She's, it's, she's so disorganized, but it seems like she needs to dance. So, and I just grabbed onto it. And I was like a dancer, dancer first. And when I was around 11, 12, that's when I went to Maine State Ballet, which was a very ballet focused dance school because I knew I needed more technique. And it wasn't until I was like, I mean, I always wanted to be on Broadway and sing and dance, but it wasn't until I was like 16 that I actually like really opened my mouth and started to try to sing.

[26:12] Eli Tokash: Oh, wow.

[26:14] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. I took a couple of voice lessons to just kind of figure out how to do it, but I mainly just listened to music and, and Broadway soundtracks to, to, and I copied people. Like I copied people, how to sing.

[26:29] Robyn Hurder: Like The Damn Yankees soundtrack, Chicago, Crazy For You. I just copied their voices to try to learn how to sing. So, wow, that's so wild. And it wasn't until 16 when you started singing.

[26:46] Eli Tokash: Yeah, it's wild. That's so cool, though. So when you like realize that, like, oh, maybe I do have a voice. Was it then theater? Or was it like, oh, maybe theater is something I want to try? And that's why you started singing.

[27:05] Robyn Hurder: So I always, like my dream, people know, like, I, you know, I saw my first Broadway show when I was 11 years old, it was Damn Yankees. And I was like, I need to be Bebe Neuwirth when I grow up. I was like, Oh, my God, to do this. But I was still so scared to open my mouth in front of people. I mean, my parents tried to get me to do it. And I was just so scared. I went to Broadway Theater Project when I was that was in 98. Like I went there and you know, it's like this three week workshop where you have the opportunity to get up in front of these teachers and like, do your song and I was still too terrified. I was like, no, I'm just a dancer. I'm just a dancer. But I still, I always wanted to do it.

And then I started auditioning for community theater in Portland, Maine. And I was like, you know, in chess, I was like the golden Bangkok dancer. So I only did this like one point number. Um, but I was, that was my first real exposure to like, pretty good community theater, like listening, being a part of a community and rehearsals and watching the singers and actors do their thing. And, and then I did like Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. And then when I was 18 years old, at Portland Players in Portland, in South Portland, Maine, I did Jesus Christ Superstar. I was Mary Magdalene.

[28:22] Eli Tokash: Iconic.

[28:22] Robyn Hurder: And that and that was when I like, I left my ballet company because I was like, I need to do this. And that was my first taste of like, I want to be a star. This is what I want to do.

[28:35] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[28:37] Robyn Hurder: In my mind, though, I didn't want to be like, I want to go to New York and be a star. I wanted to like work from the ground up. I wanted to go through every level of, of working in the business. I knew I wasn't going to be like, I'm gonna, you know, poof be a Sutton Foster or like these, you know,

[28:57] Eli Tokash: Right.

[28:58] Robyn Hurder: that just pop up and they're like, bam, it's me. I wanted to work, like I wanted to work and do the work.

[29:04] Eli Tokash: Damn.

[29:04] Robyn Hurder: I always say I'm a Capricorn, I'm a goat and I climb, I climb.

[29:07] Eli Tokash: Right. No, you're a goat, you're a goat. But no, like, seriously, like, you can totally tell that, like, it is that, like, mindset, where, like, when you perform, like, when you perform, it's just so like, balls to the wall, so natural. Like, it's not like, it's like, Sutton, you know, like, there's just, it's just like, you guys are different performers, obviously. And it's just like, a different level, like, even like, I don't know, like, I've seen you on stage, I don't know, maybe six or seven times between like, Mulan reviews, Beautiful Noise, I Put a Spell on You, like all these things. And so like, every time, it's just like, no matter what it like, there's not a show that's like, missed, like, every time it's like,

[29:55] Robyn Hurder: I am, yeah.

[29:57] Eli Tokash: It seems like as a performer, you're like, if I'm on stage, I'm giving, you know, like, there are no

[30:02] Robyn Hurder: it's a it's a switch that I'm like, there is no it's either off or on. And I've said that before, it's like, I, I can't, if I can't do it at like, 150, then I'd rather not, you know, and it's something on it's, it's, and I've, I felt it, like, in my first dance recital, when we were doing, I was an elephant, and it was to Kylie Minogue's Locomotion. And I was like, hold the phone. I was like, this is it. This is this is it because I was like doing ballet and tap. But then once yeah, introduced to me, I was like, hold up. And I lived my dreams as an elephant. And I but I was like, way too sassy for my own good. But that was when I was like, on stage in costumes. I love the makeup. I loved the slicked back French braid.

I mean, we're 80s here. Slicked back French braid, the lights and then after and you can't see anybody in the audience and then you get applause. I was like, oh, this is this is something that I really love. And it's because I, in general, like I just love I want to make people happy. I want to make people feel good. And I think that's how it's not for it's not like it's not like the applause for me. It's like I may just made you feel something. And I think that at like six, seven years old in my first dance recital, and every time I go on stage now, it's just it's like this. This drug and the adrenaline and the feeling and the energy of the audience that I can't I just want to like, go balls to the wall full out never mark. Yeah, like, we're doing it. And it's not iconic.

[31:43] Eli Tokash: Oh, I can't imagine. It's like I'm in rehearsal for I put a spell on you, which I'm keeping lots of things a secret because this one people are gonna lose their shit.

[31:56] Robyn Hurder: Oh, I have heard you okay.

[31:56] Eli Tokash: Secrets away.

[31:57] Robyn Hurder: It is. Yes. Let's just say it's, it's giving I think it's gonna give people what they want. Period.

[32:05] Eli Tokash: Oh my god.

[32:06] Robyn Hurder: And it's really hard. I'm like, what am I doing to myself? I like got out of the car last night after rehearsal driving home from the city. And I'm like, Oh my god. Here I am again, just killing myself. But I do love it. Last year, I was just like, and you were fully doing like, eight shows a week last year, I think you were still in a beautiful noise. And like, you were like, rolling on the floor as a cat kicking your face. I was like, this girl doesn't stop. Like, I learned how to crack a whip. Like, right. I mean, I mean, I had like gashes on my face and my body from trying to learn how to whip with as Catwoman. And then I was in like a fashion booth girdle, like a girdle up Robin, you did Moulin Rouge, it's called a corset.

[33:03] Robyn Hurder: Oh my god, you put me out in the country for I've had off and I start talking like I'm in the 1800s. I had a little corset and like, Oh, patent like a wet leather suit that I was crazy and a mask. But I love it. So it was giving it was so good. These these shows. That's why it's it's a lot. Of course, I, I love why we're doing it. And I and Jay has been we've known each other since 2008. We did like a quick overlap of the chorus line tour together. And I've just we just, we love each other so much. And you know, I've said to him, I'm like, I'll always say yes. I'll always say yes.

[34:12] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[34:12] Robyn Hurder: Because I love how much he loves it. And it's just and I've I've loved being a part of it for the was it been fought? This will be the fifth year or fourth year?

[34:20] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[34:22] Robyn Hurder: No fifth year is 2019. I think that I started it with him and it's I love to see how it's grown. Right. And now it's like, Oh, I'm like, this is so iconic.

[34:30] Eli Tokash: Yeah. No, it's literally giving and bigger. And you're totally like part of that. Like people last year, they ate you up.

[34:37] Robyn Hurder: They did. And this year is gonna be crazy. Why? I'm so excited. It's, it's crazy. And I'm hoping I can, I mean, I will do it. But it's, it's, it's a lot, man. I'm wild to like, see all of these, like, icons of like, our industry come together to do a show for one night. Like the amount of work that gets put in to do a show for one night is bonkers. It's wild. Like, yeah, they like, on Monday, I mean, every Monday that we, you know, the performance day, we have to get there at like 8am in the morning. And they, and everything is organized. Everybody has their section around the hall. And like, there's makeup stations, and then you go up to, and like, everything is, it's like, organized chaos.

[35:13] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[35:13] Robyn Hurder: And, and, and then it's like, two hours before the show, and you're like, is this happening? Like, are we actually going to do it? And then somehow, it's, it's wild, like a blur. But that's why it's just like, it's that crazy, like, this is insane, what we're doing and what we're trying to pull off. And then it happens. And the energy of the crowd, it is wild. It's, it's like, I've experienced.

[35:38] Eli Tokash: And going from that, like, oh my god, is this gonna work to holy shit, this is like, insane and so good. Like, it just adds to that drug that you were talking about.

[35:49] Robyn Hurder: Every number. It's just like, yeah. Like, I, it's like every year, because you, you kind of don't know what they tell you, or like, oh, and then this number happens, and this number happens, and you don't really know what's going on. And like, the tech or the dress run, or the run through, and you're like, what is, I'm gonna slap everybody across the face. Like, everyone's at the top of their game. And he gets, you know, it's because it's Jay. And they do it, because obviously, they it's like, known to be a fun night. But it's also, there's a reason why they say yes to Jane is because he is a genuinely beautiful, kind person who has his heart in the right place. And it's, and that's, this is always a success, is because he has his heart and his mind in the right place. And I just absolutely ever say yes.

[36:38] Eli Tokash: And he's so brilliant. Like, Jay is fully playing Winifred. And he's also like writing this, and he's writing for everybody. And he's giving everybody like a moment to shine.

[36:51] Robyn Hurder: He's giving everybody like, what they would want to do, like, you know, like, this year with like, because you may or may not be doing the number alone, or with someone. And I may or may not be singing a very iconic current song.

[37:10] Eli Tokash: Correct.

[37:10] Robyn Hurder: So it's like, what, when else would you do that? And like, you're going to be doing it with like, whatever. And so like, it's gonna be, you know, like, it's what you would want to do, like for a night, like, hell yeah, I would perform this for like, to do it. Jay, Jay does. It's like, I've never suggested anything. He's like, yeah, I want you to do this this year. And I'm like, yep, that.

[37:36] Eli Tokash: He knows.

[37:38] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, exactly. He told me he's like, I want you to do Call Me Mother as Lady Tremaine. I was like, are you kidding? I was like, absolutely. And it was that first year at La Poisson Rouge was, it was so I was like, oh, this is wild. Like, this is something new that I always want to be a part of. And then, you know, and then getting to do like the whole that whole video for during the pandemic, the 2020 video was just so silly. It was just, it was amazing that we got to do that during the pandemic. And then like him having me do, you know, Catwoman, I was like, yes, I'm okay. And then this year, when he said what I was going to do with maybe someone, I was like, obviously.

[38:28] Eli Tokash: Yes.

[38:28] Robyn Hurder: I knew, I knew it was gonna be so much work. But I'm like, whatever.

[38:34] Eli Tokash: Yes, right. Like, that's the thing. Like, it'll just like, fill every person's like, creative juice, you know, like it just like, everyone's just so excited to do what they're about to do for that night. Like, he's so brilliant with that as well.

[38:50] Robyn Hurder: Well, I'm so excited. And y'all should be too. Y'all should come on Monday, get your tickets before Monday because the price raises at the door. I just found that out.

[39:03] Eli Tokash: On their Instagram.

[39:06] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. Because they're gonna skyrocket at the door. Because it's smart. It's all going to like, you know, the alley 40. The most gorgeous cause that he's like, this is so important. And it's all for, you know, it's going to a very, very, very good place. So yeah, but get your tickets they're gonna I for real, but it's gonna be absolutely iconic and feed every one of us Broadway, like fanatics dreams, I guess. I love being like a fanatic while like, trying to like continue to act.

[39:44] Robyn Hurder: It's hard like not to be like, do you notice that like as a performer, like when you go see a show, you're just like even more of a fan than like anyone else, than like your typical Broadway, like nerd, like fanatic, I guess. Like, I don't know. That's the right energy to go into. Yeah. That's what, that's, you know, I'm such a law of attraction girl, like what you think about, you bring about, what comes around, goes around. Like you manifestation, like it's been my like religion for a couple of decades now. And I feel like we, when you go into a theater and you are that person's or that group of people's biggest fans, that energy is coming right back at you, you know what I mean? So it's so important.

And the thing is, it's like as I'm always so tired and I live far away and I have a son and it's like being a normal person, but then being a show person, I don't get to go to shows often. Then when I do get to sit in a theater, I am, uh, I'm like a disaster. Like I, I shake and I feel like I did when I was a kid watching. I remember I was like nine years old going to like a community production of a chorus line. And I remember feeling so embarrassed that at the end of the show, the kick line happened. It's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And I started shaking and crying and I didn't know why. And my mom's like, are you okay? And I was like, I don't know why I'm shaking and crying. And my mom thought it was cute.

It's because it's like, that was the feeling. I'm like, I'm so inspired. And it, it, it made me feel something. And it's like, so when I go see shows now and I see that and I start crying, I start shaking and screaming. I'm just like, that's, that's how you do it. That's the right, that's the right way. The right energy, you know, cause it will come back to you.

[41:39] Eli Tokash: Yeah, absolutely. And like, now that like, I mean, you've been doing it for so long that like, it's like every show that you see, it's like you have a friend that you're rooting for. Like, you know, like I get more nervous than they probably get, you know, like walking on this stage at that night. So it's like, it's fun to just go on and root your friends, but also just like relive the magic, like all over again, you know?

[42:03] Robyn Hurder: Absolutely. And I'm always the one, always the one that's getting yelled at by a patron. I'm not lying. They will literally be like, could you turn it down? And I have done it a couple of times where I'm like, you know who I am? And I say, I say, do you know who I am? And they'll be like, no. And I'll be like, I do this for a living. And I was like, all those people up there, all those people are my friends. And you know what? I'm up there all the time too. And guess what? We like, we like it when you scream. I yell at them in like a cute, angry way. And they still don't care. Cause they're from, you know, the Midwest or Europe. They're like, well, still it's too loud. And I was like, sorry, not changing. Girl bye. You know, like, let me live. Right. That's crazy.

[43:53] Eli Tokash: Oh my God. I'm so happy you play that card. That's hilarious. I'll like, I'm just like, I was like, I'm an actor. Like I do it. Show you're like a certificate of like the Tony nominee. Like, hello, there you go.

[44:14] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. Right. Right. It's so weird. And it's crazy. Well, first I want to get to that, but I want to talk about, cause you talked about being a mom a couple of times and I'm just like curious because like, I was like a theater kid. Right. So like I know it from like a perspective of like, you know, seeing what my parents did for me in like rerouting their lives, you know, so that I could perform. And so like I've always been curious as like someone who wants to continue to do this, but also like wants to have a family. Like what is the other perspective like where it's like, Oh, I'm a parent, but I'm working at night on a stage and it's not like your typical nine to five when they're in school. Like so how do you kind of balance that and just like, what is that like?

[45:08] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. Well, balance is the word. And it's like, it's a, it's a constant struggle. Um, it's so, it's so weird cause like right now you're catching me at a time in my life that like, honestly, I've, I've never been happier or more present because I'm home. I, I, I left Chicago last month, so I've been home for a few weeks and I am so fully invested at home with my son. I don't have a problem waking up at seven to get him to school because I didn't do a show the night before. I, I get to go to his, uh, student meetings, a teacher meeting. I get to, I'm actually around at night to cook dinner. And this is really like, I say, this is really who I am. And it really is. This is, this is my life. And my career is my career, which yes, it's also my life.

And I know it's something that I, because I have so much love for it. I can't live without it, but I will, I'm not going to lie. And you can probably ask any mom. I don't think any mother out there is fully, um, like I am living my best life on Broadway and being a mom because boys are feeling like you're, you're, you're missing. I feel guilt all the time because I'm not there. And I'm, and it's also like, it's on my husband to, you know, pick him up, pick him up from school, take him to soccer practice, take him to this training, take him here, take him there. Um, and it's a lot, I mean, right. And I always, you know, we can FaceTime, but that doesn't cut it. And he's also, time is going by so fast and he's he's growing up so fast and especially this year, he's turning 11 in a couple months.

And it's, it's crazy to just look at him and I can see like the baby boy going away. And it's because when you're busy, time goes by really, really fast. Um, but it's, it's going to be a, a give, give or take. I don't, you know, people are like, you're doing it all. And again, I don't think any mother would say, yeah, I am. I'm nailing it. I never, I never feel that way. Um, but it's, it's always going to be a constant challenge to find the balance.

[46:33] Robyn Hurder: And I have talked about this since Moulin Rouge. Um, when I really went through putting up a new Broadway show, um, and your time is just, you're just not home. And I've also chosen a life to be an hour North of the city in the middle of woods. That's the thing where I'm in the car commuting, I think on a show week, it's like with traffic and stuff, it can be close to 15 hours of commuting.

[47:02] Eli Tokash: Oh my God.

[47:04] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. And then you, and then I count up the time that I'm with Hudson and it's like maybe 10 hours a week. And that one, and it kills me. And, and that, that helps result in burnout. Um, that's why it's like Clyde and I talk about, we want to look kind of like pass the ball. Um, we don't want to be working at the same time because he needs at least one parent to be with him, to parent him and not, not rely on, on a babysitter. We did it for a second when he, when I was doing beautiful noise and he was doing New York, New York. And we, it was very cute. We were across the street from each other, but I have to be honest, it was not our happiest. And isn't that interesting when you get to a certain age and you have a family and you realize what your priorities are and what really truly, truly makes you happy.

And it's being together as a family and, and nourishing, not just our son, but nourishing us as a, we call it our little triangle unit. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a square now because we have a dog. Hudson corrected me. Usually the little triangle. And now he's like, no mommy, it's a square because of time now. Um, which is true. He's the greatest. Um, but it really, it affected our family unit. Us and I were both on the same schedule. So we have, unless it's like something ridiculous and like an opportunity that we both can't pass up, we'll make it work because it's only a moment in time. You know what I mean? Like I was so stressed out during that time. We were both working and I'm like, that was like over a year ago and it's over, you know?

And now I have these moments and I just have to, I have to remember that like Robin, you will like, you know, next year I have something coming up and I know it's, we're going to go back to that lifestyle, which I'm already having anxiety about. But I need to remember this moment right now. Like I left Chicago and I wanted these the rest of the year off because I'm like, I, I deserve it. Um, and I need to like recharge my battery because I was getting burnt out. Yes, physically, but also like mentally, emotionally, like I need to go back to being Robin and being like who I truly, truly am, which is not really a show girl. I love doing it and I can't live without it, but I am like a, a, a mother and a wife and like a friend and a normal human being.

And I, I love to just not, I love to look like a mess in the morning and drink my coffee and, and just watch a program with my husband and cook dinner. Like after this, I'm going to make apple cider. I'm not kidding. I need to have that or else I will unravel. Um, yeah. So yeah. Remember that like you'll have this moment again and, and, and this is, this is like my, my, my fuel, my recharge, um, you know, before I, I head in to 2025.

[50:13] Eli Tokash: It's so interesting because like, just looking back on like, while you like talk and like looking back on like me, like growing up in a theater, like when I was in Pippin, you know, Rachel Bay Jones and Charlotte Jambois and like, they all have like kids like our age. And that was the same with like Finding Neverland. So like Kelsey Grammar would bring like his nephew or his niece or like she's got grandchildren and like, they would like come and like play with us. But I never really understood if that was like a, Oh, here's kids your age. Or if that was like a, Oh, you know, like these are my only hours because you're out of school. Or perhaps sometimes like Rachel would literally like pick up her kid from school and like bring him to the show, like right away.

And there was like no time to come home. You know, like there was just like, how, how does all of this just like work? And it's just wild how, you know, super moms, you know, you, y'all just make it work and you make it happen. And it's just a, it's pretty like amazing to witness.

[51:17] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. I mean, we're trying, you know, you're trying your best. You'll do any, you know, we're all mama bears and we'll, we'll always try our best. But I will say, and I've, I always say, I, I said, this is the decision I made to move out here. And it is, it takes a lot of time away from my son. But, you know, when he was four years old, he walked outside one day and he goes, he took a big inhale and he goes, mommy, it smells like winter. And I was like, Oh, I did it. You know, this is what I needed to give him what I had, which is Maine. I grew up in Maine and I needed him to have nature. I needed him to feel all the seasons. I needed him to get in the car to go to the grocery store and help me put the groceries in the back of the car.

Like I needed, I needed that. I'm not a city mom. I was a city girl, but I'm not a city mom. And it's a sacrifice. I mean, it's like, it's definitely a challenge being out here, wanting to do show business as well. But like, I've never regretted it because he's, he's so happy here. And I feel like this, this is the life I wanted to give him, but it's more of a challenge on top of it.

[52:31] Eli Tokash: Yeah, I'm sure. But you even said like he's soccer, right? And so like in this city, it's like, is he going to play soccer in like central park? Like, you know, like it's just like, that's about it, you know? So it's, there's, you know, pros and cons to everything, right?

[52:47] Robyn Hurder: Absolutely.

[52:48] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Well let's get into like your career. I just love learning about performers as like humans and not as like characters. So thanks for just sharing all of that.

[52:59] Robyn Hurder: Oh my gosh, I'm the most, yeah. I love it. No, seriously, like those are the conversations that I like love. But I know that people wanna hear about, you know, Moulin Rouge and you know, Chicago, like all the things. So let's chat about it. Obviously I mentioned Moulin Rouge and we've talked, we've mentioned it already on here a couple of times throughout, you know, the half hour or whatever we've already been on. But I just wanna like talk to you about the show because the show is crazy. Both for a performer and as an audience member, they have like a cult fan base. Like it's wild what their fans, you know, how dedicated they are to this show. I'm curious, you know, like as a performer who has been with like shows that like, you know, may not last super long and then being in a show that like has a wild fan base that is running for so long that like that cult alone could like keep the show running, you know, like it's crazy.

So what does that do for you as like a performer? Is it kind of like a sigh of relief of like, oh, I may have stability here or is it sort of like, you kind of have to just like not even think about it and you know, just go out there and do your show every night? You know, it's so funny, especially about Moulin Rouge. I cannot believe we started, wait, what is, so 20, was it 2017, 2016? Was it? 2017 is when we started the workshop. Oh, okay. Yeah, 2017. So, you know, we're talking like seven years ago. And I remember our first week, we all got together, we were like rehearsing in this like downtown, it was called the La Clemente Center. And we were in this like downtown black box space and it was a six week workshop.

And, you know, the first week we started talking and we met at lunch and we said, we're part of something big. And that was when we were discussing how we wanted to be protected because back then there was no lab agreement. It was like willy nilly. And we're like, we should probably get a point or whatever. But I always think about that, that I'm like, I remember being in that lunch break and being like, everyone's like, this is gonna be massive. Like it's gonna be massive. Like what we were doing with Sonya already and like the music and everything was already so extra. And then to go through the stages of like, okay, we did that. And then we're gonna go to Boston. And then there was like nine months off between our Boston run and Broadway.

And then we opened Broadway and I'll never ever, well, I'll never forget the first preview of Boston. That was probably the most wild audience ever because we were like, are they gonna hate it? It was the first time they set up Moulin Rouge. Like even me, like I am a cult Moulin Rouge, like fanatic, like the movie. Like I was obsessed with it. And I was like, it has to be different than the movie. You can't just take the movie and put it on stage. It's not gonna work. And it was slightly different, but I think Alex Timbers is such a genius. Like he's such a cinematic director that he was giving me that total vibe and feeling of the movie and Baz's vision and style. But that first Boston preview, we were like, all right, I think we're a hit.

And then that goes, and then we have the same thing happen in New York. We're like, but New York's different. Boston's New England and Boston people are nice. And like, what if New York hates it? And it was wild. And we're like, all right, well, we got something. And that's when the fan base started happening. And it was, I've never experienced anything like that. It was really, it was so exciting. And everybody, we always said we had the best fans because they weren't crazy. And they were just like full of love and support and just really appreciated the art behind the production and everything that we were giving to it. Because you look at that original cast and it's like, it's tenacious. It was like, that romance was absolute.

Like Sonia put together a bunch of crazy wild animals in a room and she's like, go. And we did, and it was insane. But what's so interesting now is that, we ran for like, how many months? Eight months and then the pandemic hit. Yeah. We were like, wah, wah. And so it was like, we were just getting started and then the pandemic hit. And then 18 months later, we come back and I was only there for a few months and then I left. So it's interesting now, like doing other shows and now I have so many friends in the shows that are either playing NeNe or Satine and I go to the tour or I go see the Broadway show again. And the fan base is so, it has exploded. It's so much bigger than what was there. So it's really interesting for me because they're like, oh, you are the original NeNe.

Oh my God. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, I'm nothing. I was like, I did it. But it was like, TikTok, it was like so long ago. And it was only, it's gonna be like, three years in February that I left. But like, it's just so interesting to see how it is literally exploded into this global fandom. And I said, the last time I saw the show, one of my best friends, Caitlin Mesh, who's been part of the original company, I've known her, she's helped me raise my bait. She has been Hudson's number one babysitter over a decade ago. And she was covering NeNe and I finally got an opportunity, like six months ago to go see her, to see her go on as NeNe. And I watched the show and it's, different people are in it and I don't know a lot of people in it anymore.

But I still, I bet I could go on stage and do it again because it's so ingrained in my body and I still know my track and the backstage tracking. Like I know what I'm doing backstage when I hear a certain song. And I see the audience and I see like fans and fans are coming up and they're like, hi. And I'm like, hey. And they're like, you're Robin. And I'm like, yeah. And I'm not putting it together. They're like, you're NeNe. Right. But I'm like, I'm here to see Caitlin. Right. And the one thing I say, and I've seen it a few times after I've left and every time I'll always cry. And every time I walk away and I tell people, cause I'm freaking out over everybody who's been in it. I walk away being like, I am so proud of this.

It's the, and that's the one thing I have. It's not about like, oh, you know, I was the original NeNe. It's like, look at what we did. You know, like I look at the pair in Backstage Romance and I just think of that first rehearsal with Ricky and I. And Ricky and I still know each other at this point. And we just were so sweaty and we're just creating this chair dance together with Sonia. Cause it was such a collaborative moment. And then I'm just like, and Ricky and I always say to each other, we're like, we did that babe. We did. And we did. And that's what I take away from Moulin Rouge. And like, I'm so proud. I'm so proud we have this, like I said, global fandom. And I'm just so proud of the work that we did collectively, that original cast to give this moment of theater to literally the world now.

[1:00:43] Eli Tokash: Right. And it's great. I'm just proud. I'm proud of it. It's so wild. Cause like, you know, you look at shows that like just opened prior to like a couple months or even a couple of weeks before the pandemic. And then like, we never heard from them again. Like, it's so wild looking back that like Moulin Rouge was like one of those shows that was like a new show when the pandemic hit. But it always seemed like it was always gonna come back. Like, was that for you, like, were you ever worried during the pandemic or was it always like, oh yeah, we're back?

[1:01:18] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, I never, I never ever had a worry. I mean, just from the taste that we got every night from the audiences and houses were sold out. I mean, it was selling out that I was like, that was the one blessing that we knew and the producers were so wonderful and they assured us and they're like, we're not going anywhere. I mean, it's gonna take a while to get back, you know, obviously, but.

[1:01:46] Eli Tokash: No, just like three weeks.

[1:01:50] Robyn Hurder: But yeah, it was, I never had a worry, which is really wonderful. I'm excited to see like what the lifespan of this show is going to be, you know? Is it gonna turn into a phantom? Is it gonna be a wicked? Is it gonna be a Mormon? Is it, you know, like, is it gonna last that long? You know, we just started five years. I don't know. We'll see. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

[1:02:21] Eli Tokash: I don't either. And that theater is like perfect for that show.

[1:02:26] Robyn Hurder: It is. It just seems like everything about that show, it just like fell into place and like is exactly what it's supposed to be. And like, it's so perfect. It's so good. They did it right. Derek McLean knew what he was doing. He was gonna spend those dollars and make that front of house exactly what people want and need when they walk into the theater. That was my favorite part in the beginning is when people, you could peek around like the curtain so they couldn't see you and you see people walk into the auditorium. What am I talking about? Robinson High School? Jesus. That's me. Back in the country. God, I'm talking about my son's like elementary auditorium. Oh. You walk into the theater and the red and you see their mouths just drop open because it's just like the elephant in the window and the chairs and the lights and the red, the detail that went into that theater. I mean, I remember in tech watching Derek McLean in the back like hand painting gold, like a cherub. You know what I mean? Like with gold leaf. It's like crazy. And that's, it works. It works.

[1:03:38] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[1:03:39] Robyn Hurder: Oh my God. It's so brilliant. So obviously that show gave you your Tony nomination. And so like, this is like going back to like 16 year old Robin who's like still nervous to sing and you know, like what kind of like for people, you know, who are out there right now who are like wanting to get into performing or perhaps, you know, going through that similar track that you went through, like where, you know, I'm comfortable as a dancer, but you know, like I have an interest in singing. Like what kind of like advice would you give to them to just be like, you know, step out of your comfort zone a little bit and like, here I am, look what could happen.

[1:04:21] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of, and I love it, especially like lately when I was in Chicago and going out of stage door and talking to some of the people who have come to see it and they say, oh, I'm doing, you know, I want to, I'm a dancer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know, and the mom is like, oh, she's doing this competition or this, that. And I'm like, and she wants to do this. And I say, do you sing? And she goes, no. And I'm like, you gotta sing. Oh, wow. I'm like, you gotta sing. I was like, you have to start. If you want this, you have to sing. I'm like, it's not, you know, back in the 70s, 80s, it was like you had the singers and you had the dancers and all that stuff. And I'm like, the competition is ferocious, especially if you want to dance in the ensemble, you have got to be able to sing.

And I'm lucky because I'm so tenacious and I'm such a viciously hard worker. I always have been through dance that I really, really worked on myself to try to get my voice stronger and stronger and stronger. And it's funny, I still, like, I haven't taken voice lessons. Oh my gosh. I just-

[1:05:30] Eli Tokash: All natural, baby.

[1:05:31] Robyn Hurder: I just scream and I keep listening and I'm such a doer learner. Like I have to see it and then I have to do it myself and practice, practice, practice, and just don't give up. I mean, I start with that. I'm like, do you sing? You gotta sing. Yeah. I'm also like, I truly, and it sounds cheesy, but I truly believe that if you really, if you're not delusional and you do feel, if you feel like you can do this, like if you truly, truly feel like I can do this, it's not just wanting it. It's like, I know I can do this.

[1:06:14] Robyn Hurder: When I first started dating Clyde 20 years ago and Broadway, he had, you know, he was Tommy Chulis and he did Oklahoma and all this fun, then Hairspray and the movie Music Man. And I still looked up to him because I had known about him for a while. And I was like, Oh my God, I'm dating Clyde Elves. I was talking, we had this big talk outside the Seadog Brewery one night. And in Brunswick, Maine, that's where we met at Main Street Music Theater. And I remember talking to him being like, I want this so badly. And I think I can do it. I can't see myself not ever being on Broadway. But it's just, it's so untouchable. And it still feels like a dream. And this is when I say surround your people, surround yourself with your people, like find your circle who are your number one.

And Clyde's like, you're going to do it. He's like, Robyn, it's just a matter of time. He's like, it's going to be sooner than you think. He's like, it is going to happen for you. And then literally, we moved to New York together after that summer, and I got my first show, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. So I mean, he really helped me. He's been my, of course, my love, my best friend, but he's also been such an amazing mentor to me. Yeah, it's important to surround yourself with people who truly support you and believe in you, to help you keep believing in yourself, because this business is treacherous.

[1:07:44] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and it's easy to get discouraged.

[1:07:47] Robyn Hurder: Oh my gosh, I mean, it's so hard. It's so emotional. But if you just, if you keep honest to God, just believing in yourself and not losing focus of what you want, and what do you want out of this, and why do you want to do it? I truly believe it will happen. And it did happen. And it's the same thing of, I've always said, I want to win a Tony. I want to do it. And it's still so untouchable to me. I'm still the same person where I'm just like, I have these goals, and I get them. And I'm like, I achieved that goal. When I got a Tony nomination, I mean, I was like, this seems wrong. I was like, this is so wild. This was the wildest day of my life. But it was amazing. And I was like, I know this is an abbreviated season, but whatever, I'm going to take it and run.

[1:08:42] Eli Tokash: Oh, come on. No, that was so well deserved.

[1:08:49] Robyn Hurder: Well, thank you. But I was like, you know, whatever. It happened. I'm very happy. But it's the same thing now. I'm just like, I have always, my number one dream is to, I mean, my whole life, I've always said, well, my big goal is to win a Tony. And right now, it still seems like it's so far away. And it's like, not even possible. How would I ever win a Tony? But the good news is, I get to be here for a while. I look at these people who, they're well, I still got another 20 years in me performing on Broadway that I'm like, I have time. I have time to get there. But I'm always dreaming, always wanting to accomplish a goal. And then I always say to Clyde, I'm like, well, once I win the Tony, then I quit.

You think I'm lying? All right. Yeah, no, I don't know. I don't know. Hey, we'll see. Listen, I'm part of the fan club. That's like, it should be two time Tony nominee. Like I was like, I was posting on Instagram and everything. I was like, Robyn Hurder was snubbed for Beautiful Noise. I was like, what is happening? You know, like, I was so mad, but I thought it was gonna happen. It's like, you know, Broadway is so political and like, they just, it's so funny that it just was such a blatant snub. But I always said, I was like, I was like, honeys, we're gonna be the cockroach at Broadway. I'm like, watch all these shows go and we'll still be standing. And it had a beautiful run. Period.

[1:10:30] Robyn Hurder: You know what's amazing about that show? It was, every show that I do is so special. But Beautiful Noise was like, to be able to perform that for a certain generation, and the amount of joy I felt come out of their bodies, like I saw like, people who are 100 years old, try to get up out of their chairs. It's like, I've never felt like that singing Sweet Caroline to these people who want to, they want to feel like my age when they were watching Neil in concert, like we're giving that moment to them again. That to me, I'm like, this is still changing lives. People who don't think that they can feel this energy again, guess what? We gave it to them. And that's more important than any award or recognition. We're getting the recognition from the people. This is why we do it. It's, you know, it's, it's changing lives, baby. Changing lives.

[1:11:29] Eli Tokash: Even 100 years old.

[1:11:31] Robyn Hurder: One day at a time. One day at a time. Not all at once. I love it. Yeah, but it's so true. I'm curious with the Beautiful Noise, like, you obviously just got your Tony nom with like, Moulin Rouge! And then that was like, your next like, Broadway show and originating something. So like, did, I don't know, not to like, sound like whatever, but like, going into like a rehearsal for an originating role, is it kind of like you have, you feel like you have a little bit more say and perhaps like, sustaining an eight show a week show, like with like, Forever and Blue Jeans and everything like that, that didn't look easy by any means. So like, how much of the like, a say, I guess, do you did you have in creating Marsha?

[1:12:18] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, I mean, they kind of like gave me the reins. Also, this was like, a little bit they were like, because they had done a workshop before. Yeah. And then they were like, well, here's the blocking, but they were like, do which and Forever and Blue Jeans wasn't even a thing. Like before, I figured, yeah, they were just like, let's make it they because it was so obviously male dominant with the songs, like Will Swenson was singing everything. They needed some sort of female voice in there. And they had, you know, Bring Me Flowers and Song Sung Blue, but they wanted Forever and Blue Jeans to be like this female vocal number. So it originated, it was originally like, me, Ellie, it was Marsha, Ellie and Jay.

And we all collectively, but I was so confused. Like, honestly, I was like, I don't understand what's happening. Like, why are we singing this together? What are we singing about? And then we kind of it was so collaborative, Brie Sudia. And, and we kind of like just talked and figured out like, it's kind of Marsha's number. So it kind of turned into that story wise, it really helped her arc. And it's a it's a viciously fast arc that I have to do in the second act. But and then it was just like, Michael Mayer was like, you got to dance, Robin. I was like, I don't want to dance. And he's like, but you got to dance. And I was like, I don't want it. And so he, he's like, listen, the next show, you don't have to dance, but this one, you're gonna dance.

Okay. Oh, I was like, okay, but it was, I still and I said this to you before we started, like, I'm forever an ensemble list. Like, I don't even with a Tony nom, or whatever shows I have on my resume, I still walk in like I'm dancer Robin, which I mean, I, I take care of myself, and I am well respected. And I expect to be respected because I'm respecting you. But like, I walk in not thinking I'm anything, anything big, I want to be told what to do still as a dancer, I want to be directed, I want to be given the the map, and then I'll put my smack on it. But like, I, I still consider myself this was my first rodeo, I was like, I, this is the first time I'm being like a leading lady. And it's not I get to say words.

And I don't have to use my body to communicate my story as much like, you know, it was so difficult, obviously, physically, but it's like, I did not have a lot of lines. And I needed to get this character across. And it's very hard to do that physically, you know, like naked in a corset. And, you know, using your body. Yeah, this was like, I get to be a real woman, I get to create something. And so I was also extremely intimidated going in there, because I'm also like working with Will Swenson, and like Michael Mayer. And, you know, I'm like, I've never, Stephen Hoggett, like, I've never done this. This is new for me. So I definitely was, it wasn't like, this is this is what I'm gonna do. I was like, very respectful.

They have done a workshop, there's an outline to the show, I'm just gonna add what I add. And, you know, what helped was that Will and I had chemistry, and we got along so well. And it was just so easy. It was never a thing. We just were like, all right, yeah, this is gonna work. Totally. It was just easy. The whole thing was just, now, Forever in Blue Jeans was a bitch. It's people don't understand, people don't understand the ending of that number, like the nightmare that it is, because, and the other girls that have done it, they're like, shit. Like, really hard. And I'm like, yeah, you're not stopping. You're walking the entire time. And then you do a dance break. And then you have to belt a D for a very long time.

You just have to keep screaming D's. And you're out of breath. And you're like in the skin tight clothing. Yeah, it's bonkers. It's like, deceivingly hard. And everyone's like, you make it look so easy. And I'm like, well, I'm dying. Okay. It's not easy to sing and dance. It's like, are you having fun? I'm like, I'm working very hard. They're like, what doesn't show? And I'm like, that's what I'm trying to do.

[1:16:50] Eli Tokash: Then you're doing your job right.

[1:16:53] Robyn Hurder: You're eating. I shouldn't show the work. But yeah. But I love it. It's such a special show. It really is. I loved the show. I saw the show like three times. I loved the show. I brought, I saw it on opening. And then I saw it again with my mom. And then I brought like, my whole family, like my grandpa, like grandma. And they were just like, they were so they loved it. Like, what? Like, every time I went back, I think I like, loved it more and more, because I was seeing it through, like an older generation's eyes. And so like you performing and saying that, like, I totally get that. And it was totally, like evident watching and bringing my grandparents, you know, like, it was so cool.

[1:17:40] Robyn Hurder: And I'm so happy that the tour, it gets to go to the country for people who can't, because it's so expensive to get over here. And I know, there's so many people, Neil Diamond fanatics in this country that want to see, you know, they want to see him again. So it's great that that it's getting to tour and I know it's going to do so well.

[1:18:00] Eli Tokash: 100% 100% I'm so excited. And the show is just so beautiful. And the way that they were able to even communicate it with a younger audience and being like a therapy session, like I just thought everything about it. It was I thought brilliant. I was a big fan. But I'm curious. Excuse me, last question. And then I'll let you go because I've taken up so much of your time.

[1:18:23] Robyn Hurder: Fine.

[1:18:23] Eli Tokash: Um, well, I'm curious, because a lot of our following, I guess, is on TikTok. And so obviously, the fact that Amber Artelino came in to replace you, like that was a big deal within like our like TikTok-y generation. But in general, you know, you've originated a lot of roles. And I have a lot of people come on in here and be like, Oh, I was a replacement. And I got to watch and learn from so and so and so and so. So I'm curious from looking at it from your perspective and originating so many roles, and then coming, I guess, out of it, and watching someone come in to replace you, you know, like, what is that kind of, I guess, like dynamic like, and how are you able to provide, you know, support and advice while still like making sure that you're staying focused and being like, Okay, I have like three weeks left, I need to make sure that they're great.

[1:19:21] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, um, with um, with Amber, we've known each other since because we did

[1:19:59] Robyn Hurder: She gets to get out of the ensemble and understudying, and she gets to do it. And I remember her being in my dressing room, and I said, well now we got to do... you gotta start saying no. Now you're here. You gotta say no to things, because now you've arrived. You get to be a leading role. And I feel like with replacements, because I know how I would... it's not like how I would want it to go, but I'm not going to be like... I'm like, this is what I do. Like if she's tracking me backstage, it's like, this is what I do, just because it's like, this works easy. But I never... I literally have said to any replacement that's coming, I'm like, ask me anything you want. Anything you want, I am here to give you as much or as little.

But I was like, take it. It's yours. It's yours. It's impossible for you, and I don't... you shouldn't do exactly what I did with any sort of movement or intention. I mean, obviously there's an outline, and there's a character base, but I'm like, I'm here if you have any questions at all. But I'm like, have fun. Yeah, take the reins. It's all you, because I don't ever want to feel like this is mine, and you're replacing me. That's not what it's about. It's like this is a brand new opportunity, like polish her off, make her your own, and have fun. I was genuinely just so happy for Amber to go and do her thing. You know what I mean?

[1:21:43] Eli Tokash: Yeah, totally. It's so funny because I feel like, you know, I've only replaced on Broadway, and granted, I was like a kid. So a lot of this industry, it's like this stigma of like, oh, you know, there's a lot of comparisons, and if I'm coming in to replace, I want to make sure that I do exactly what he's doing or doing whatever. There is sort of a pressure that's not even brought onto you. It's just like as an actor, like you just bring it onto yourself.

[1:22:14] Robyn Hurder: Oh, oh my God. Absolutely. I mean, even going in as Velma. Yeah, exactly. Like, well, I'm replacing, you know, I always think of like it's Bebe, you know, because it's like we originated it. And there's been like a thousand Velmas, but it's still like there is a certain thing that people are expecting, and it's always been like that, even replacing in the ensemble. I always honor what has been done, but no matter what, it's me. So I'm going to like, I always say I put my Robin Smack on it. And that's what I did. That's what I did with Velma. I was like, I just, I did something that, I mean, I was like, people are like, you were like funny. And I was like, well, she's vaudeville. She's like a vaudeville star.

She lives for it. She's supposed to be a comedian, you know what I mean? But yeah, it's a, there is no matter what a pressure replacing, but no, but it's also, and there's no matter what, yes, I'm, I have, I stay away from any sort of like comment section, online stuff, because I'm like, I know, like I don't even, I'm growing out of it. But it's like, there's always going to be that, you know, I, and I'm, I'm, I'm sure I'm about to head into it next year. You know what I mean? Like, but I'm like, you know, it's like, this is an opportunity to like freshen something up and, and just put your own, give it your own take. And there's always going to be people who are like comparing, but there's also like a ton of people that it's like apples and oranges and they're ready to support no matter what.

We need more people. We need more lovers out there, you know, that are there to support no matter who's going on, you know, comparing because you shouldn't, everything, any, even if it's like the same role and someone's going in or an understudy is going on, it should be nothing but love and support.

[1:24:21] Eli Tokash: Yeah. Well, I can't wait to see you put your Robin smack on the next role. It's going to be super exciting. So no comparisons, just Robin. I only want Robin's version. So we're going to be chilling. But by the way, I just have to say, I am so bummed that I didn't get to see you, your last stint in Chicago because I love Charlotte with my whole heart. She was my Frostrata in Pippin and then Max Von Essen is literally one of my favorite human beings in this industry. So what an insane cast.

[1:25:00] Robyn Hurder: Yeah, it was like Broadway. It was just like we, we were, it was such a, such a good vibe. I'm, I'm so, I am so grateful that I got to have that moment like with them, like, yeah, I mean with Charlotte and, and Max Von Essen and then, but being the, sorry, not BB, Bianca came in when I first started and that was like so full circle because I understudied her as Mona 17 years ago when I first went into Chicago. So that was like wild doing it with her as well. And then of course, like Charlotte is everybody's, you know, icon legend and the fact that I was dancing, singing nowadays with her. I'm like, how, how, it's like pinch me moment. How did this happen? How did I get here? And like every night nowadays, like singing and like singing that line, but nothing stays, chokes me up every single time because I'm like, be grateful for what you have because this is not going to last forever.

You know what I mean? But I'll be back, you know, Chicago, you never saw. I left 17 years ago and now I'm here again and then I'll probably be back in a couple of years, you know, I'll never. I love it. It's so great.

[1:26:10] Eli Tokash: I love that. That's so exciting. I think it's definitely how they rotate.

[1:26:15] Robyn Hurder: Yeah. Yeah.

[1:26:16] Eli Tokash: It's a family for sure.

[1:26:18] Robyn Hurder: It's so brilliant. Well, Robin, I can't thank you enough and I'm so excited for Monday to see you in person and watch you do your thing. And yeah, it's just going to be so great and hopefully everyone stops by and where can they follow you?

[1:26:36] Robyn Hurder: Obviously, it's written for those watching, but where can they follow you? I'm just Robin Herter at Instagram. That's all I can handle these days.

[1:26:44] Eli Tokash: Yeah, that's all. Simple enough. And it's Robin with a Y for those listening and aren't sure.

[1:26:51] Robyn Hurder: Yep. And she's a star and, you know, exciting things coming. So just keep an eye out for all the things. But Robin, it was so great to chat with you and you definitely have so much to take a bow for.

[1:27:05] Robyn Hurder: Thank you. Thank you for having me. That's awesome.

[1:27:07] Eli Tokash: Of course. Thank you. Take a bow. Robin Hurder. Oh my goodness. What an absolute treat. Everything that she had to say, even like talking to her about like these are – it's hard because like I never want to ask the same questions. I try to diversify it as much as I can, but there are certain questions that I'm always just like interested in by everyone because everyone has such unique perspectives and unique experiences within the industry. So every story is a little bit different even if it is the same question. But we try to change it up and in the way that we changed up this time, it was just an absolute blast to just really, really – I always say I love to get to know the performers as people and to be able to do that and kind of hear some of the backstage moments more so than the onstage moments or just like favorite experiences, you know, like the cliches that always you hear about and whatever.

But just hearing about like her relationships with her castmates and, you know, Amber Artelino coming into Forever and Blue Shoes. Oh my god. A beautiful noise and just understanding like how they already had a relationship being in Moulin Rouge together. So it was kind of like a seamless transition and what it is to be someone who's getting replaced, you know, we always talk about replacing someone and the pressure that comes with that and whatever. But I really loved hearing that take on, you know, how she may have helped or guided or supported, you know, the person coming in to replace her as she has done so, so many times in her seven Broadway shows. Six of those have been original roles.

I believe six, if not five, definitely. And it's just so impressive and Robin Hurter is so impressive and she is just a brick house. She is so powerful. She is so incredible and I'm such a big fan of hers and I'm so excited that we get to see her on stage this Monday during I Put a Spell on You, the incredible event benefiting the Ali Forney Center that the Broadway community comes together every Halloween spooky season written by J. Armstrong Johnson and it's just incredible. So everyone, you won't want to miss this one. It's going to be the biggest one that they've ever had. It's happening at Webster Hall and not Sony Hall this year. It seems like each year or every two years, they upgrade the venue because of how much it grows and how many people are just so excited about it.

So it's very exciting stuff for the Broadway community and there are so many incredibly talented people in it. Max Clayton's in it, J. Harrison Gee's in it, obviously Robin, and then of course we have Todrick Hall joining. We have J. Armstrong Johnson, of course. So just Tony nominee after Tony nominee and just all of these incredible performers coming together. Jake Peterson, who's currently in Wicked. It's just a stacked cast as always and I cannot wait to see how this year turns out and it's going to be a blast. So stay tuned for that. That's happening Monday. Definitely come check it out if you are in the city. And then of course, I also want to mention that Robin has some very exciting news coming up that is going to be announced probably by next episode, if not the following one.

And just to preface, we talked about it obviously to the side and whatever, but it was not allowed to be talked about on camera. So next week when you do hear the news, understand why we didn't talk about that if you're listening to this a little late or whatever it may be, but it is some very exciting news and perhaps you can guess it, but it's great stuff and we cannot wait to see Robin, you know, back on stage here soon at I Put A Spell On You and hopefully, you know, on Broadway or something else very soon. So very exciting stuff and stay tuned for that because it's exciting. And of course, as always, stay tuned for next week and our next episode. Very excited for it. Thank you all so much for listening to this week's episode. Hopefully you enjoyed it and thank you again for the patience and support throughout the brief hiatus. And yeah, until then, bye everyone. Have a great week.

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