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[0:00] Unknown speaker: Being on stage feels like someone else, but also more yourself than you've ever felt. This feels like getting to live in your imagination. Seeing everyone again brought back so many memories. Being able to be in this show will be one of the greatest treasures of my life.

[0:23] Jess: Hello and welcome back to Patreon with Cheese, and we're back in our Encore recap, and I'm once again joined by the incredible, the wonderful, my favorite person in the world, Elizabeth Esten.

[0:33] Elizabeth Esten: Hello, I'm back.

[0:36] Jess: How are you doing today? Are you trying your best?

[0:39] Elizabeth Esten: Um, I'm trying my best. Um for context, people who can't see for the world because they can't see what I'm wearing a shirt. This is trying my best.

[0:47] Jess: So she's trying her best. I have the video proof that she is indeed trying her best. So what do we talk about today?

[0:55] Elizabeth Esten: Uh what we got in this episode of Encore episode four.

[0:59] Jess: Well, today we have a production of Grease in Hagensag, New Jersey that originally happened in 1990.

[1:08] Elizabeth Esten: This might be the most New Jersey thing I've ever seen.

[1:11] Jess: This is so Jersey. Like, it's so New Jersey. Everyone's yelling at each other every 10 seconds. Everyone's so angry at each other. Like there is so much bubbling frustration, but it's not because of like the sexual tension or the old boyfriend. It's just everyone's angry because they're from New Jersey.

[1:28] Elizabeth Esten: It is so different from every other episode because of that. I am I'm dating someone from New Jersey, so yes, I can attest that a lot of people from New Jersey don't want to be in New Jersey.

[1:38] Jess: Hey, what we doing here? Come on, come on. We should all be doing our Greece Lightning performance. Why why are we just shooting the shit right now?

[1:46] Elizabeth Esten: There's a lot of Italians in New Jersey, so uh they're just very big, very angry, very frustrated, and then like the one the one black guy is like, I'm I'm here to, you know, kind of do this thing, and can we stop fucking around, please? He's this this dude's been living in Berlin for the past like 10 years, maybe 15 years, a long time. He's just like, he's a so he's now a sophisticated European man, and all these New Jersey people are just screaming at each other about bagels.

[2:17] Jess: And it's just like, can we do a Hey, you want a bagel? No, that's a Philly. That's what you say, Philly. They're bagels in Philly. Not New Jersey, not that part of New Jersey.

[2:30] Elizabeth Esten: Um, yeah, this episode was it was fun. It was so New Jersey angry and testosterone. It was so New Jersey it became fun.

[2:38] Jess: Yeah, it's so full of testosterone. There's so much uh honestly, my honestly, my favorite part was in the wife of the dude who's playing Kimicki was like, yo, I heard I heard from your dad. This is a terrible New Jersey accent. My boyfriend does not have one, so I cannot recreate it. Um I heard from you I heard from your dad that you make out with Rizzo for like half the show. And the act the die the guy's just like, no, it's only for like a second. And the dad is like, it's for like a long time. And the wife is like, what's going on? What? And his wife is very, very pretty. It's it makes me feel bad that she's so insecure because she's like so gorgeous. She's like, My husband's gonna have to kiss another lady. What? That's my man. She came around to it. She was just like uncomfortable. She's like, Oh, they're acting, it's fine.

[3:26] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. I remember when she's going to see the play and they asked the son, and they're like, What are you gonna do if your daddy has to kiss another girl? Close mommy's eyes. And the daughter's just like, yeah, we're gonna close our eyes. Honestly, the the but that's where it's show is just the little kids just being like, Yeah, I'm gonna see daddy and semi embarries himself on stage. It's great. It's pretty cute, actually.

[3:51] Jess: Um, yeah, so I don't know. I feel like being forced to kiss anyone on stage is the weirdest thing in the world. Um I I don't like it. I I I've done it once, was not a fan. Not gonna lie, it is like a weirdly vulnerable thing to kind of do. And also that's how you get mono, and Liz had mono.

[4:09] Elizabeth Esten: I did have mono. It was not fun. I don't think my boyfriend gave me a bit from kissing kissing Rizzo on stage. Maybe. Maybe I should call her and find out.

[4:19] Jess: Yeah. Yo, Rizzo, you got mono. I got the mono. You can get yourself checked out. Well, my symptoms are gone, Rizzo, so you're lucky, but for a while it was rough.

[4:30] Jess: Do you like the musical Grease?

[4:33] Elizabeth Esten: Eh I like aspects of the musical Grease.

[4:38] Jess: I don't like any of the music. By aspects, I mean like three songs. May two songs being generous. One song. I only like one song in Greece.

[4:46] Elizabeth Esten: What's the one song you like?

[4:49] Jess: Do you like the boys to men cover? Is that your go-to iTunes listen to?

[4:52] Elizabeth Esten: No, the Derek Chris version. I have not I don't like that song. I don't like any song from Greece. I don't like any of it. Grease is fine. That's like the thing with Grease is it's it's so appealing to everybody. Like everyone loves Greece because it's just like a story. It's a simple story of high schoolers doing shit for however.

[5:13] Jess: Yeah, it gets rapey, and there's a weird abortion subplot, which like they throw in at the end for whatever reason. Hey, but she's not pregnant, it's okay. If she's not pregnant, it's fine, but still, like the they she sings it a song about having potentially having an abortion. What do you think this is? Cabaret.

[5:31] Elizabeth Esten: Oh god, don't remind me. Life is a Grease lightning, old chum.

[5:37] Jess: Well to the Grease Lightning. I still have all that cabaret footage. I could watch it again.

[5:43] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, don't don't watch Cabaret the movie. Watch watch any stage version. It's better than Cabaret the movie.

[5:49] Jess: Yeah. As an adaptation, it's bad. As a movie, it's solid. It's perfectly adequate. The filmmaking's good. Like I can't fault it.

[5:59] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, Bob Fossey knows how to make a movie. Bob Fossi can direct. He just isn't good at adapting a musical.

[6:06] Jess: I mean, I also wants to leave his stamp on things.

[6:10] Elizabeth Esten: He does. He does. But Sweet Charity didn't do well, so clearly his stamp doesn't work sometimes.

[6:15] Jess: So I like Sweet Charity the movie. I think that's a pretty darn good movie.

[6:19] Elizabeth Esten: Well, it almost ruined his whole ass career.

[6:22] Jess: Yeah, yeah, poor Father. Maybe if he directed Greece, it would have been alright.

[6:31] Elizabeth Esten: Me too. My inherent bias might be that I've never seen a stage production. Like this mooning song, I did not know it existed. I did not know there was a song about mooning people in Greece.

[6:41] Jess: I mean, that's like the least surprising thing to learn, to be honest. There's a song about abortion in Greece. There's a song about sexual assault in Greece. There's a lot of Greece. The thing is it's not even that interesting. It's mostly a boring watch. It's it's perfectly adequate teen movie musical.

[6:58] Elizabeth Esten: No, a perfectly adequate teen movie musical is Greece 2, starring Michelle Pfeiffer.

[7:04] Jess: We're gonna start recording Jess was like, can we just talk about Grease 2? I would much like seriously, I would love to do a commentary on Grease 2 with just me and Liz, because that that movie's a blast and a half. Let us know in the comments if you want to hear hear a commentary on Grease 2.

[7:20] Elizabeth Esten: Like Michelle Pfeiffer's dancing after Smooth Rider. It's just like she's dancing off into the street seeing Smooth Rider while Michael is just hanging out, like watching her do this, and he can't he can't even hear her anymore.

[7:36] Jess: It's great. She just keeps on going. There's three songs about fucking, one of which involves bowling as a metaphor. Um there's one about reproduction, not even like fucking, it's like the act of creating a child. You know, the sexiest part of fucking.

[7:53] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, clearly. Like these teenagers are thinking about the reproductive act of eggs going into sperm and pff babies. Put your talent tube to work. That's the best line ever written by anyone. Grease 2, 10 out of 10.

[8:11] Jess: No false. Not to mention the one zog where uh the dude uses the fact that America's being bombed to have sex with a girl. Let's do it. For our country.

[8:24] Elizabeth Esten: I've heard worse pitches. It feels in the same category of shock treatment. Have you ever seen that one?

[8:29] Jess: I've seen the musical hell video on shock treatment, so I know of it. I think that I think that movie's great. I think that movie's a lot of fun. I might like it's gotten a bad rap.

[8:39] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. I might want to check it out, actually.

[8:42] Jess: It's a it's on par with the Rocky Horror Picture show in a different way. It just should not have been a sequel. It should have just been like, you know, a spiritual successor, in the same way that Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead are spiritual successors.

[8:52] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, yeah. Those movies are so good. I love those movies. And you're right. I'm excited for her to finally watch Last Night in Soho. Looks incredible. I love everybody in the cast.

[9:03] Jess: Yeah, same. Like I saw Laura Crohn, who's an amazing content creator. Go check her out. She did a great video on repo and Terrence Dungeon.

[9:09] Elizabeth Esten: Yes. Very um, she she's she might be coming on to the show um sometime. Or early 2021. We'll see.

[9:15] Jess: Hell yeah. No, yeah, check out the Terrence of Dungeon video. It's very, very good. Um but she tweeted just like He's a piece of shit. I don't know how I don't know how to feel about last night in Soho. And I was like, oh no, I'm scared.

[9:27] Elizabeth Esten: That's kinda have you watched Candyman yet? The new one?

[9:30] Jess: No.

[9:31] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. Okay. Um I I did not like it. I really, really do not like it. Um, and I felt weird about not liking it until I saw Princess Week's video on it, and then I was like, okay, okay, someone else can at least put into words the reasons why I don't like this.

[9:48] Jess: It's stupid because I d uh no one here cares about Candyman. I miss the iconography. Like I miss the member berries. It's so stupid. I miss the member berries. I wanted a real sequel and it kinda isn't.

[10:05] Elizabeth Esten: You want it you wanted them to reference random bits from the first movie, like throughout, be like so you can point at the screen like that Leo meme.

[10:12] Jess: Like I s I recognize that. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that. I just want my candyman to be Tony Todd with a hook hand. That's all I want. You know, I I don't want much, but when I come to see a candyman movie, I want Tony Todd with a hook hand.

[10:32] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, once I watch it, we'll have a discussion about it.

[10:35] Jess: We will. It's like if a nightmare on Elm Street, but it's just some dude is Freddie Krueger.

[10:42] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, that was the remake. You just described the remake. Good job. And but they're also like, no, no, no, no. We're still still in the same universe with the Robert England one, but now it's just some dude.

[10:53] Jess: We're ready to retire from playing Freddy Kruger, so that's what a reboot would be.

[10:57] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, okay, okay. Let me let me do it as a different pitch. Alright, so let's say we've got a nightmare on Elm Street sequel, and we start with this one guy, like, oh, I'm looking into the nightmare and Elm Street murders, um, and all that. And then slowly he's discovering his face is falling apart, and at the end he's Freddie Kruger.

[11:15] Jess: Oh, and got it. I it bothers me. It's really stupid that this bothers me so much. But honestly, I wish I had had a warning like this before I went to see the movie. The trailers are giving me the vibe you were describing, so I but I understand why not fully grasping it.

[11:33] Elizabeth Esten: So I get your anger. Like, yeah, I want Tony Todd.

[11:39] Jess: We all want Tony Todd.

[11:41] Elizabeth Esten: We all want Tony Todd. I want him with real beard bees on his face coming out of his mouth, making out with people.

[11:47] Jess: And we want him to receive $10,000 for each bee sting that happened in his mouth.

[11:51] Elizabeth Esten: Exactly. Real fact from the first movie. Um that movie is fucking fantastic. That movie is in package. Play the Phantom of the Opera.

[12:00] Jess: Oh. I think that's why I like Candyman, because it's very phantom-y. It's just like it's like, ooh. Imagine like a Candyman phantom mus a musical like Phantom, but like Candyman. That'd be terrible.

[12:11] Elizabeth Esten: I think a Candyman musical would actually be great if they really, really leaned into it. And you can get Tony Todd in it.

[12:20] Jess: Yeah, it has to be Tony Todd.

[12:21] Elizabeth Esten: It has to be Tony Todd like Candyman. It really does. It really does have to be Tony Todd. Also, I'm I'm also the person that does not shut up about Candyman to every horror fan I interact with. They're like, I as I ask, have you seen Candy? Like, I don't know what Candyman is. And I get real mad at them for a second. I'm like, this is the best movie or movie of the 90s, bar none. Don't fight me on this. I don't want to hear about Scream. I don't want to hear about it. Scream is also good. But Candyman is the best, and I'm gonna make you watch it one day.

[12:47] Jess: And I finally made my boyfriend watch it. He's just like, I okay, I get what you're saying. I'm like, thank you. Candyman is number one, but number two is an unpopular one.

[12:56] Elizabeth Esten: Um, it is new nightmare.

[12:58] Jess: I think new nightmare is that's not unpopular, I would say.

[13:01] Elizabeth Esten: Is that not unpopular? No, it's good.

[13:02] Jess: I thought people didn't like that movie.

[13:04] Elizabeth Esten: I it's it's the prerequisite to screen, so maybe that's why people don't like it. But I think it's the best, one of the best nightmare movies of all time.

[13:10] Jess: I mean, it's definitely top three. The best nightmare movie is the Dream Warriors, though.

[13:16] Elizabeth Esten: I will fight.

[13:17] Jess: There is an argument to be made between that one and the first one.

[13:21] Elizabeth Esten: There is. It's a very tight argument. I just think the Dream Warriors embrace is like the best version of fun Freddy, but adding enough serious Freddy.

[13:30] Jess: It's the perfect Freddy mix. I agree entirely, but there is like a 20-minute interlude in this middle where we have to have nun flashbacks, and then I get bored for a little bit.

[13:41] Elizabeth Esten: I like the nun flashbacks.

[13:43] Jess: I do not. Maybe because I was raised Catholic. Pretty lame. So, but the first nightmare does not have any boring moments. It just kind of goes, goes, goes, but it has some rough acting.

[13:53] Elizabeth Esten: So I think it's like a razor's edge for me. And some days it's one and some days it's the other. Yeah, but Nightmare Three has welcome to Prime Time, bitch. Nightmare One has this is God. I'm your boyfriend now, Narciss. That's not as good as ghost welcome to Prime Time Bitch. I'm kidding. They're both. I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy. Is that the one line all the time? Like I watched that movie when I was like 16 and it shook me. I was just like, oh my god. But kinda hot, right? Not when Robert Ingwood covered in fake burns is trying to kill me. Um a tongue coming out the phone. Uh also fun fact. Um Heather Langkamp has that phone. Oh my god, what'd she do with it? She just kept it. Uh the end of the shooting, she asked Kid I have the phone.

She's the props permanent, like, absolutely, can you take it? So I I wish I don't know. I think Heather Langencamp seems like a really nice person. I want her to have one more horror outing. I want her to like come back for one more horror film as like a main co-lead or something.

[14:57] Unknown speaker: Oh, I was so me and my boyfriend have this thing where we watch terrible horror movies all the time. So we watched we watched a movie called Truth or Dare, not Blumhouse's Truth or Dare, which is a terrible movie. Don't watch that. This is a sci-fi movie made like a year prior, called Truth or Dare. So it's not a knockoff. It's just coincidentally the same title. Uh I don't know how that maybe the development announcement made sci-fi like make this movie real quick. So there's a it's like it's about ghosts or something. I don't remember. But towards the end of the movie, all the dumb college students are like, we need to figure out what's going on. We need to talk about some person who knows about the curse.

And the person who knows about the curse is an old scarred Heather Langencamp. Who's in the movie for 10 minutes, maybe? I might be being generous here. I don't remember this movie very well, but it is better than the Blumhouse movie. A can of can confirm. But I'm just like, and but uh the best part is she's top build. It's like Heather Langencamp. It's like where's Heather? Like you try to watch this movie's like, where's Heather Langencamp? Where is she? And then she shows up at the end. I'm like, oh, there she is. So she's doing TV horror.

[16:13] Elizabeth Esten: I I I she needs her own you know what the Halloween remake did for Jamie Curtis? She needs one of those for her. We the yeah yeah, the problem with Rob is we can't the problem is Freddie Robert England retired from playing Freddie completely. And last time we replaced Freddie, we replaced him with Roar Shack. So Which isn't a bad choice, just didn't work there. It did not work in that movie. The only thing I liked about that movie is when he like puts his like cratches his claws next to each other and creates sparks. I like that part of the movie. That's it. I hated everything else.

[16:49] Unknown speaker: There i I have an idea. I have a pitch for you for a fr of nightmare on Elm Street 4. An actual nightmare on Elm Street 4 where we kind of ignore all the other sequels and pick up right after 3. Okay. So this is a big hypothetical because all the actors are old now. I mean Patricia Arquette would come back. I've got a feeling she would probably. I don't think she would. I think she's a little too famous now. I I think that would make I mean with the money's there, with the money's there. That's true. That's true. Okay, what's your pitch? Alright, so you know she had like the dream powers to pull people into dreams. We'll keep that. Um so she has this nightmare and it's finger claws again, except it's Heather Langencamp with all the Freddy birds, and she's Freddy.

And it's like more torturous because it's like this mother figure to her um coming to murder all these children that she has to stop. It's like the spirit of Fred Freddy with Heather Langencamp's voice and body and face.

[17:43] Elizabeth Esten: I'm down for that. Hell yeah. So we wouldn't need Robert. We could probably bring Robert England back for a cameo. I feel like it's a good thing. But it's Heather Langencamp Nancy as Freddie. I think it'd be interesting. Meaning the correct director, but it could work. Yeah, I I would like this. Um, or we could go wholly other direction. You know who I think would be a great Freddy? Um if we were to replace him? Go for it. Tell me. Um, I think we should have Prestige Actor, someone that can kind of play the comedy side as well as the thing. I think Lakeith Stanfield would Oh, he'd be a go Freddy. He would also have a very angular long face, so you could really add whatever you want to it. Yeah.

No, no, I think that could work, actually. He hasn't played a villain before, I don't think. So he's mostly done like hero stuff. I mean, sorry to bother you, it's one of those movies that's like very like nuanced and shit. So I won't get into that. I mean, that's but that leans horror-ish. It does. I uh just watch the movie. Don't don't read anything about it. Just watch it go in blank. It's the best way to watch the movie.

[18:49] Unknown speaker: Yeah. Also, here's another pitch. Um, and a re thing that bothers me about Nightmare as a series that they have never done before. I'm the Why don't we have like real children? Like like Stranger Things kid level kids with the Nightmare on Elm Street premises because no one's gonna believe kids that age, like 10, 11, um, when they're saying what they feel and how nightmares are affecting them. And it would just be more horrifying. And the Nightmare on Elm Street series has never done that. Like in all twenty adaptations of it, that's never been tapped aside from like the little girls playing with uh jump rope. Yeah, they don't die though. They're like ghosts who sing the Freddy song. They're in like half the movies. I think that would be the next step. We bring um Lake Stanfield as new Freddy. Um with um what you call it? Um Patricia Arquette is the new matriarch figure. Um she's playing Kristen again.

[19:42] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. She's back as Kristen. Um she's coming back to help all these children. You know, Doctor Sleep situation where she's kind of like burnt out a little bit and then brought back in. Um, but when she sees Freddy, it's Heather Langing Camp, and when the kids see it, it's Lake Keith Stanfield. Oh, so it's like they're two Freddies. I mean, it's the same Freddy, he's just taking over different figures. So it's it's like you combine Freddy with Pennywise, because Pennywise takes different forms of the kids he haunts. I I think that would be a good way to be make Freddie more torturous and Dream Logic. I think Dream Logic is something they don't lean into as much as they really should in the Nightmare on Elm Street series, and I feel like that's some real untapped potential there. And if there was ever a series I would love a remake of with like a really talented director, it's the nightmare films.

[20:28] Unknown speaker: I I'm hesitant for a nightmare remake because the last one was so bad. I don't even want a remake. I want soft reboot in the way that I pitched it. Yeah, I don't they could do it that way. I don't know. I don't know who owns the right to f rights to Freddie at the moment because I got bought up by a bigger company though. So I forgot who the bigger company was. Wait, wait, what wasn't it Platinum Dunes who did the the Friday the 13th remake? Yeah, it was Michael Bay. It was Michael Bay joint. Like Rooney Mara as fucking was like horrible casting. And also like Quinton as the Glenn character. First of all, why was his name Quentin? Where did they get that? Um Tarantino. They wanted Tarantino to give it a cover view. Give it an endorsement. I love this film. Yeah, you're not gonna get a hostile thing again. Good luck. Watch Eli Roth be like tapped to do it. Fuck that noise.

[21:24] Elizabeth Esten: Oh no, that'd be the wirt. Who would be the worst case scenario for a nightmare on Elm Street remake? That's a good question. Any music video director, because Samuel Bayer is a piece of shit. He ruined that movie. Second of all. Yes. Um I mean it depends on um Daniels, if they got it. They're a music video director that I would trust. Yeah. Honestly, I want the guy the person who directed Mandy to direct the nightmare remake. Really? That'd be because Mandy's insane, and I think Freddie needs to be more insane. So we just don't know Nick. No Nick Cage, though. We don't need Nick Cage in Nightmare. Like, get him out. He would not be a terrible Freddie Krueger, like if we were gonna do a different kind of film.

[22:08] Unknown speaker: Yeah. Alright, my pitch would be um Mike Flanagan, um, who didn't have Hill House and Better Choice. Like I love really like Dr. Sleep. He would really get the dream logic. Like, have you seen Dr. Sleep? Yes, twice. Like the travel scenes in there where she's just floating around your like when like Aubra's like kidnapped and then Danny takes over her body ta takes over her body to talk to the evil guy. Like, oh and imagine how he'd handle evil Heather Laning laying in camp. Let me write the script, Mike Flanagan. I got this. I'm ready. Put me in, coach. Little children, nightmare on Elm Street. Will Flanagan call us? Call us my call. I got this. We got ideas.

[22:54] Elizabeth Esten: It worked out so well last time you adapted a really popular franchise. Even Stephen King liked it. Yeah, and Stephen King doesn't like anything except Cujo. Didn't he like he liked Misery, I think. He liked Kit Misery, Cujo. Stand by Me. He likes Stand By Me. What's he think about Dreamcatcher? He's never commented on Dreamcatcher because he wrote that one. What do you think of Dreamcatcher? I've never seen it. Um but all I do Lawrence Cass did. All I do know is that Stephen King does not remember writing it because he was so high on Coke. So it wasn't good.

[23:31] Unknown speaker: I've only read a quarter of the Dead Zone and a little bit of the Shining. Stephen King books are hard to read. There's a lot of setup and the payoff happens 60 chapters after you read 60 chapters of setup. So the premise of Dreamcatcher is a bunch of guys in the wilderness and then shit weasels uh start attacking them and they go up your bunghole and turn you into demons. And then Morgan Freeman has like horrifying alien eyebrows. Yeah, and he's like, Oh, I call him shit weasels. I'm Morgan Freeman. Also I happen to have my copy of Misery by my desk. So Misery is a good read. Um The Secret Window is also a very good read.

[24:08] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, my dad's a big steep big Stephen King fan, so whenever he's done reading a Stephen King book, he gives it to me because he doesn't never read books twice. So he just gives me the books.

[24:19] Unknown speaker: So in the end it's a good trade-off. I bought that a bought this at a used bookstore though. It cost me five dollars. It's from nineteen ninety because it now says now a spectacular motion picture on the front. Wow. Rob Reiner, the same director of The Princess Bride, made probably one of the most horrifying films ever. It's horrifying. Watch if if you love horror, watch Misery. It's great. Kathy Bates won an Oscar and deserved it.

[24:43] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, Kathy Bates is a 10 out of 10 great performer. And she's so pretty in that movie. Like I know she's supposed to look kind of repulsive, but she's so pretty in that movie.

[24:56] Unknown speaker: Yeah, I mean that that's a rough, yeah. It's a little rough.

[24:59] Elizabeth Esten: Um so who do you who do you think was the the the MVP of the Grease we've been avoiding talking about Greece for over 10 minutes? Do you regret it? I think we had a great conversation.

[25:12] Unknown speaker: Um now we have our pitch to the video. I hope you enjoyed our quarter of a horror movie podcast in the middle of our musical podcast. We can't tend to do that, don't we? I think this is like the third time we've turned to horror.

[25:25] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, no, I I'm a big horror fan. It's just the thing. We both are. It's where my head goes. I love horror. Anyway, um uh MVP. Um, I first I just want to say I love Greg's mom. She's not the MVP. I just really like Greg's mom, especially at the end where the producers are like, what did you think of Greg with hair? And she just laughed at the camera. That's the last shot of the episode. I love that. Great job, editor. I don't remember. I never looked up the editor, but great job, editor. You're great.

[25:55] Unknown speaker: Um, I would I'd have to say I wrote her name down. I I swear, I take notes when I do these. Take in notes and I just kind of freeball. I take notes. I'm prepared.

[26:05] Elizabeth Esten: Um, I'd say Aaron and Anton.

[26:11] Unknown speaker: Yeah, Anton's a bit. I love Anton in this. He's just like, he's he's embracing his New Jersey and with his new European ways.

[26:21] Elizabeth Esten: I just like that the director could speak German too, and I was like, expecting him to get called out and not really notice it. And I love how one the one of the loud the person who played Jan, who's the loudest of all the pink lady actresses, is just like, what what are you guys saying? What you guys saying? I mean, I don't get it. This is so New Jersey.

[26:43] Unknown speaker: Oh my god. Yeah, it looked like the probably the most stressful production um so far, to be honest. It was like no one wanted to do it. It was the by record, it was the worst tech rehearsal.

[26:54] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. Uh what about that one girl that's like, I am Chacha, because I'm the best dancer at like she had one line, but she was gonna make sure she was gonna get it. She kept there's so many shots of her that cut to her in various places just saying this line to herself throughout the episode by herself, sometimes into a mirror while she's doing her choreography that she doesn't do while saying the line. She just stands there.

[27:23] Unknown speaker: Yeah, yeah, it's it's weird.

[27:25] Elizabeth Esten: It's weird. Can we not can we not do the little little dance choreography that you did?

[27:32] Unknown speaker: Yeah. I guess maybe that was for later and she was practicing. But I don't know. They they the way they do the editing of the productions part, they s take snippets of it. So we don't see the whole thing, obviously.

[27:43] Elizabeth Esten: So there might have been a big dance section she had that got cut and post.

[27:48] Jess: So cut and post.

[27:50] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. That's a technical term. How does this rank among the other episodes?

[27:56] Jess: Uh, I don't like Grease that much, so it does not help this episode at all. Um, I think it's so New Jersey that I kinda love it. Um, I've lived near New Jersey my entire life. So I'm in the area of New Jersey. I'm very close by. So I'm like, it made me feel weirdly nostalgic to when I went to that part of New Jersey when I went on vacation, and I wore Red Sox shirts to the beach when I was a kid, like over my bathing suit, and as we were about to cross the turnpike, people would honk their horns and yell, "Go Yankees!" at my family. Um, it made me feel weirdly nostalgic for a time where Yankees fans yelled at me when I was a child.

[28:38] Elizabeth Esten: I don't get sports connections.

[28:41] Jess: Okay, here's a quick summary for all you non-sports people. So the Red Sox and the Yankees are two baseball teams. They're both in the American League. And they have a rivalry that started in the early days of baseball, which is like the 1900s, and it has remained that way since the 1900s.

[29:03] Elizabeth Esten: What if a player gets traded from one team to the other?

[29:06] Jess: Then he's a trader. It's just a fucking game, you got it's a game. This actually did happen. This has happened multiple times though. Um, like, so one of the biggest ones was like in '05. We had Johnny Damon was his name. He got traded to the Yankees right before Christmas of that year. And my parents bought us Red Sox cutouts as like a gift after the '04 World Series win. And they bought me a Johnny Damon cutout before he got traded. So on Christmas, they did what they did was they put a paper bag over his head and they put "traitor" like a sign on him. Because they did not anticipate this happening. So it's like shit. We bought our daughter a cutout of a random Red Sox player. Now he's in the Yankees book.

[29:56] Elizabeth Esten: Sports is really intense.

[29:58] Jess: It is. There's also the curse of the Bambino, which is a different thing.

[30:02] Elizabeth Esten: So explain that to my dumbass.

[30:06] Jess: Okay, so in 19—he's a history lesson. Uh, in the early 1900s, Babe Ruth, you probably heard of him. He's one of the best baseball players of all time.

[30:18] Elizabeth Esten: He didn't invent the candy bar?

[30:19] Jess: He— it was named after him. But he used to be on the Red Sox in the early 1900s in the 1910s. But in 1918, one of the dumbass Red Sox managers decided to trade him to the Yankees. Which is a strange choice. It might have been financially motivated. I do not remember right now. But he was traded to the Yankees by this very dumb manager. So from 1918, also prior to this, the Red Sox had won a World Series every like two years pretty consistently. We were very good at baseball. And then we traded Babe Ruth. And then from 1918 to 2004, we barely made it in the championships.

[31:04] Elizabeth Esten: And we blame Babe Ruth for this?

[31:06] Jess: We blame that dumbass manager trading Babe Ruth. And that's why it's—and his nickname was Bambino. So it's called the Curse of the Bambino.

[31:16] Elizabeth Esten: Maybe you just weren't that good at the Earth.

[31:18] Jess: Which is probably a more accurate sentiment, but Red Sox fans are very superstitious, especially when you keep losing World Series over and over and over and over and over again, and you got so close half the time and you never made it.

[31:32] Elizabeth Esten: So have they ever considered them maybe they're just not good sports?

[31:37] Jess: Don't tell that to any old Red Sox fan. They'll punch you in the face.

[31:42] Elizabeth Esten: I'm just saying, maybe you should just get better at players and you know it's all rigged anyways.

[31:48] Jess: It's true, it is rigged. But then we beat the curse in '04 and we won in 2007, 2013, 2018.

[31:58] Elizabeth Esten: Okay.

[31:59] Jess: Um, this is what it's like to support teams that win.

[32:04] Elizabeth Esten: See, every Michigan team except for like basketball is garbage.

[32:08] Jess: Yeah. Also, I'm from the Philly area, so I should be a Phillies fan. I'm surrounded by Phillies fans and they hate—

[32:13] Elizabeth Esten: You're not a Steelers fan?

[32:17] Jess: No, that's in— that's Pittsburgh. It's the other side of the state. I like Pittsburgh. It's a very nice city.

[32:23] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, it is a very nice city, but that's the other side of the state and I'm not a Steelers fan. Uh, but no, I've been surrounded by Phillies and Eagles fans my whole life. So thanks, Dad. I'm kidding. They hated me in Hellem. No, they were middle school people would be just like, "You're a Red Sox fan, they're always losing." I'm like, "Yeah, and the sky is blue. I'm fully aware they lose all the time. I'm used to it by now."

[32:47] Elizabeth Esten: Jesus Christ, guys.

[32:48] Jess: See, I was so ingrained. Like, you know, did I ever tell you how I made money in college?

[32:55] Elizabeth Esten: No, I hope it wasn't illegal.

[32:57] Jess: No, no, no. It was very illegal. Um, I was a freelance videographer and photographer for a lot of sports teams. So I was like with this group. So like our most famous sports ball players, I did like their personal photography for. So, um, Darius Slay, who was like the big quarterback or something—I don't know. For the Detroit Lions, I did his engagement photos. Um, I had no idea who these motherfuckers were. Um, Don Carey, another big Lions player, did a bunch of his camps and did videography for him. Same with, um, oh, what's his name? Miguel Cabrera. Um, I did some photos of him and did a lot of interviews with him. I was in the locker rooms of all the—like this is how I made money. This was my petty cash fund when I was in college. And I still have no idea who these motherfuckers were. Like, photos would get posted where it's just like me and this person. They're like, "You know this guy!" I was like, "Yeah, I guess."

[34:00] Elizabeth Esten: You live—how'd you do this? You're living the dream of so many sports fans, you know? You're living a dream.

[34:07] Jess: Yeah, I was just like, I am money. I was just with people that knew sports people, and I was along for the ride.

[34:15] Elizabeth Esten: Oh no, I'm—my dad's a sports person, so he puts sports onto us as a thing to be into. So I own a lot of Red Sox stuff. Um, like back in—true story. So after they won the World Series in 2004, there was a special edition Wheaties box that came out of in the front, David Ortiz, Big Poppy, one of the most famous Red Sox players of all time, of him hitting a home run on a Wheaties box. My dad wanted all of us to have this Wheaties box. So he bought five boxes of Wheaties, and he made us eat all of the cereal out of every box.

[34:55] Jess: So we couldn't even—

[34:55] Elizabeth Esten: That's not that good a cereal though.

[35:00] Jess: No, it's a weird sports cereal that tastes weird, and I ate it as a kid, but I played sports back then. So yeah. So now I own an old dusty Wheaties box from 2005 or '04, and I have it on display above my bookshelf. You can kind of see it behind me. It's orange and obnoxious. It's right near my college degree.

[35:22] Elizabeth Esten: I mean, it's on equal footing with your technology.

[35:25] Jess: It is. I ate a lot of Wheaties to get it.

[35:27] Elizabeth Esten: So.

[35:28] Jess: Yeah, I mean, and now you got strong bones or something.

[35:30] Elizabeth Esten: What the fuck is that cereal supposed to do?

[35:32] Jess: I was—how old was I back then? I was eight. I guess that's stronger bones, age of eight. Um, alright. So what a trip, right?

[35:43] Elizabeth Esten: What an episode. I hope you all enjoyed that mild sports education.

[35:48] Jess: Wow, we talk sports, horror movies, and almost nothing about Encore.

[35:54] Elizabeth Esten: Well, there's no Adam Wachter in this. So what are we supposed to do without Adam Wachter?

[35:59] Jess: We're just lost in the woods. Adam Wachter, we need you back. Come back to us. I know you eventually do. I just don't know when.

[36:07] Elizabeth Esten: The next episode.

[36:09] Jess: Here's hoping. I checked IMDB. It says Adam Wachter isn't it?

[36:13] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah!

[36:14] Jess: My baby boy, he's back!

[36:16] Elizabeth Esten: He's back.

[36:18] Jess: Uh, yeah, but Grease isn't that good of a show, so we don't have anything to say about it. What's your cheese rating of this episode?

[36:25] Elizabeth Esten: Uh, I like this episode. It was solid. I just don't like Grease. It's not the fault of the filmmakers, it's the fault of my own tastes. Anyway, I'm gonna give it a New Jersey cheese delicacy, and that is Wawa Mac and Cheese.

[36:43] Jess: And I can only give it moon cheese cheddar snacks. Which I like. These little cheddar snacks, because the guy mooned his entire audience.

[36:52] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, and they didn't show it.

[36:54] Jess: You know what? I respect them for that.

[36:56] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, same actually. I did not want to see his butt. I mean, if I was that person, I would agree to do it in front of an audience, not in front of 5.3 million Disney Plus subscribers.

[37:08] Jess: Yeah, I mean, also they blurred Daryl Hannah's butt in Splash, so they wouldn't let that happen.

[37:12] Elizabeth Esten: They didn't blur it. They gave digital fur technology to her anus.

[37:17] Jess: That's the saddest thing. Thank you, Alison Pragler, for doing the research on that.

[37:21] Elizabeth Esten: Thank you, Alison Pragler, for showing me how terrible the world is.

[37:27] Jess: You know what? We're worse off for not seeing Daryl Hannah's butt, to be honest. It was a nice butt in that movie.

[37:33] Elizabeth Esten: I have never seen Splash, so now I can't watch it because I can't look at Daryl Hannah's butt.

[37:37] Jess: I—okay. Next question. And an actual thing to think about. When and if they put Titanic on there, because that is a 20th Century Fox movie, will they hide Kate Winslet's butt and tits?

[37:51] Elizabeth Esten: Yes. 100%.

[37:53] Jess: I don't know. I mean, that's an artistic scene.

[37:55] Elizabeth Esten: I feel like—yeah, that's true. There's a point to it. But I think there's a way to edit around it where you can get rid of the tits.

[38:02] Jess: And it'll probably do—but why would you do this? I mean, if this is the solidified way that the film is gonna be, why do this? Why—why? Like, is Splash even available on HD without the digital fur technology ass?

[38:14] Elizabeth Esten: I've never looked into it. Uh, but I mean, I don't think Splash is probably that great a film to begin with, but I mean, they both might keep it. I don't know if they'll ever—but here's the thing. I don't know if it will ever be on Disney Plus because of the tits.

[38:27] Jess: Yeah.

[38:27] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, that's the real question. Which—have you heard of Disney Plus Star in other countries?

[38:31] Jess: No.

[38:32] Elizabeth Esten: So basically, it's like the adult center program where they have like the Family Guys and all of that kind of stuff in its own little section.

[38:39] Jess: Can we have that in America?

[38:41] Elizabeth Esten: Well, it's called Hulu in America.

[38:43] Jess: That's true, it is Hulu. Yeah, it's true. Thank God for Hulu. We gotta pay for another whole fucking subscription service.

[38:50] Elizabeth Esten: But that's also part of the reason why Disney Plus is so cheap here compared to like other countries.

[38:55] Jess: Yeah.

[38:55] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah. Like HBO Max is insane. Like, I mean, yeah.

[38:59] Jess: It's a lot. The Will Bates Oscar—Will Smith's Oscar movie is now on HBO Max for the month.

[39:04] Elizabeth Esten: So have you watched it? Is it any good?

[39:05] Jess: Nope. I wasn't planning on it.

[39:08] Elizabeth Esten: He plays King Richard.

[39:10] Jess: I still know. I still didn't watch Dune.

[39:13] Elizabeth Esten: I haven't watched Dune either.

[39:15] Jess: Um, I hear it's good. I love Timmy Chalamet. I love Oscar Isaac. He's my celebrity husband. They have a giant crush on him.

[39:21] Elizabeth Esten: So I wanna grow a beard like him.

[39:26] Jess: That's my goal. I want that big white long beard of his.

[39:28] Elizabeth Esten: Does Miranda want you to have that though?

[39:31] Jess: No, she does not. That's the real question.

[39:34] Elizabeth Esten: She was the one like, "Hey, you should grow your beard out again all summer," and now I'm doing it. She's like, "Okay."

[39:38] Jess: It's like the enough slices meme.

[39:41] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah.

[39:42] Jess: And I'm like, "I'm gonna keep it going. I'm gonna keep it going until I look like George Soros, and then we're gonna shoot that Santa video."

[39:51] Elizabeth Esten: Oh god.

[39:52] Jess: Sneak just dropping sneak peeks.

[39:55] Elizabeth Esten: Oh, that'll just sh—I mean, this is a longer episode. They've made it this far.

[39:58] Jess: If they made it through the Nightmare on Elm Street talk and the Red Sox talk to this point to find out that little tidbit, good on them. They deserved it.

[40:06] Elizabeth Esten: They earned it.

[40:07] Jess: That's true. Gary for Andrew Lloyd Webber, an exploration of his life, kids.

[40:13] Elizabeth Esten: Well, it's not even Andrew Lloyd Webber. This is Sonti. We already shot the Webber stuff.

[40:16] Jess: Yeah, the Webber stuff's on its way.

[40:19] Elizabeth Esten: Yeah, you like that promo image?

[40:21] Jess: I know we're like basically not even talking to the podcast anymore. We're just working now.

[40:26] Elizabeth Esten: This is behind the scenes of how we talk to each other.

[40:30] Jess: It really is, though. No, I liked it. I liked it. It's gonna be good. People are gonna like—

[40:36] Elizabeth Esten: I hope so. I'm gonna be mad if it only gets three views.

[40:39] Jess: I don't think it'll get at least six.

[40:41] Elizabeth Esten: Okay, that's good. I can live with six.

[40:44] Jess: I will definitely put the noose away if I get at least six.

[40:48] Elizabeth Esten: Oh god.

[40:49] Jess: But if it's under six, man.

[40:52] Elizabeth Esten: Time to end it all.

[40:53] Jess: That's true. Well, I hope you enjoyed our unfocused ramblings about topics. You know what? Not every episode's gonna be a fucking keeper.

[41:02] Elizabeth Esten: That's true.

[41:02] Jess: That's true. That's the truth with the real Musicals with Cheese show. I'm sorry we try to make every episode good, but not everyone is gonna be good. That's just life, guys. Art is strange. Life is strange, and that's a video game. Then we'll see you next time on Patreon, Witchy. Say goodbye, Liz.

[41:21] Elizabeth Esten: Being able to be in the show will be one of the greatest treasures of my life.