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[0:14] Robert Bannon: Welcome to the round table, everybody. My name is Robert Bannon. You're listening to us on Broadway World or over here on the Broadway Podcast Network. And I am so excited because I can officially say today that we are at least the third best podcast in the world because our next guest has number one and number two. And I mean, we're probably not in the top thousand, but I'm gonna say number three because if you're watching, then we matter to you. And if you're watching because of our next guest, you know his stuff is amazing. How does the Golden Girls Broadway crime? Did Bea Arthur commit a crime that we don't? If I had to guess, I would say she probably did at some point in her life, and maybe that's how the connection is.

But Patrick Hinds has podcasts, he has a live show. He's not coming to Detroit, but we'll talk about that. Maybe he is, because I want him to come or at least do the show in my living room. I need to know everything that there is to know about Patrick Hinds and his incredible empire that he's created. I'm so excited that he's here on the round table. You know him, you love him. His book is available. Get all of the information, get everything that has to do with Patrick Hinds here. Welcome, Patrick, to the round table.

[1:19] Patrick Hinds: Hello. I was just in Detroit. I just did my show at Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle, and it was amazing. I had like this huge Detroit crowd. I met a couple of gays afterwards that became like friends, and now we're like real life friends. The Detroit crowd was incredible. I'm so sorry that this is happening now and not like two weeks ago.

[1:39] Robert Bannon: Where is Mark's Comedy Castle? And why have I not been there?

[1:42] Patrick Hinds: Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle. It's like a 10-minute drive from the gay neighborhood. That's all I know. The gay neighborhood is Royal Oak, Ferndale, and that's out there. And I'm so excited that you are here. Next time you come here, I will be there front row center with a drink. I'm ready for you, Patrick.

[1:57] Patrick Hinds: I'll be back in 2026. I'm already planning tour 2026, and Detroit is on the list.

[2:04] Robert Bannon: Well, what I love about you before we get to all the other things is that your shows, like an evening with Patrick Hinds, Laughs, Drinks, and Drama, which is coming to Green Room 42 and is coming all across the country, is inspiring to me because you are somebody we know from podcasts and now writing books and now live shows, storytelling. You have just morphed into this multi-hyphenate. You're like Beyoncé.

[2:31] Patrick Hinds: Exactly. People are actually starting to say that Beyoncé is kind of like me. Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that. I'm very, very fortunate to have a super supportive husband who doesn't just support me, he encourages me. We've got an 11-year-old. We were talking about this before we started. I have two, you know, my podcast is my full-time job. It's a lot of work, but everybody in my life knows that I'm one of those people that if I don't get to flex all my creative muscles, I will explode. I'm fortunate to be surrounded by a lot of people who have supported me in all of the things. My original podcast partner, Jillian Penzavale, who people might know from the Hamill cast, she and I used to do live tours together for our True Crime Obsessed podcast, but she really does not like to fly.

She has a debilitating fear of flying. So we stopped touring, but I really loved the live in-person experience, and so I sort of came up with my own concept for my own way to tour and get out there and meet people, and that's what has become this evening with Patrick Hinds that I'm doing, and the Green Room show, I'm so excited about.

[3:40] Patrick Hinds: So it's June 26th. It is the Thursday of Pride Weekend, so it's like I'm calling it the official kickoff to Pride Weekend in New York City. The show is really, really a fun night. Basically, it's an hour where I just sort of tell you a true story about a night that I spent with Bea Arthur from the Golden Girls when I was in college, and I was tasked with being her host for the weekend when she came to my college. I really wanted her to like me and love me the way that I loved her, and the more I wanted it, the more she hated me. Then she started drinking, and the drinking just made everything worse. We've got this incredible drag performer who plays Bea Arthur from Beyond the Grave via video, and it's just a really, really fun night. When the show is over, we stick around for an after party, so there's like a 90-minute after party where we all just sort of hang out and drink and get to make new friends. It's really, really fun.

[4:31] Robert Bannon: Firstly, I'm obsessed with this story. Before I interject, we have a mutual friend, Robbie Rosell, who is a mutual friend of ours, and Robbie told me that we had a rehearsal for one of my shows, and he said that he was going to your trial. He said, "Patrick is going to tell the story," and I was like, "What's his show about?" He said, "His weekend with Bea Arthur," and I was like, "Where do I buy a ticket? I need to know." You know, we did an invited dress in my living room, and Robbie and like 10 other gays came. They gave great audience, so I felt I'm doing 40 cities. You don't really get to know if it's working until you do it in front of people, and I was like, "Oh God, I hadn't really thought about that."

So I assembled like 15 gay—well, really, it was Robbie. I'm married and I have a kid, so I have no life and no friends. I was like, "Robbie, get a bunch of gays to my living room so we can try this out." It was really, really fun. God bless Robbie because he's just, you know, Robbie Roselle. He's like the most supportive, kind, sweet, loving friend. He just did his most recent show called Citation Needed, where he wrote his Wikipedia entry in real time at 54 Below. I was like, "Robbie, you have like—he's such a talent, he's such an amazing cabaret talent. We don't really have those types of people. The cabarets that we have in New York are Broadway stars that are like on their night off coming to do a show.

We don't have very many of those people who just love to do cabaret, and Robbie is one of them. I would encourage everybody to follow @DivaRobbie on Blue Sky, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, all the places, and encourage him to keep doing shows because he's so good. He's amazing, and I owe him a lot of my entire career.

[6:15] Robert Bannon: And you, we can follow you. All the links and everything will be below us so that we can follow you as well and buy our tickets. I love Green Room 42 because they have great artisan pizza, they have fun drinks, you can hang out. It's the same thing. And there's no minimum. You can literally—like every other room in town, there's like a $25 minimum or a two-drink minimum. I hate asking people to spend money on me. I always say I would do this for free. I do not need to get paid for it. I hate that people have to buy tickets, but at least at Green Room, you can buy a ticket and you don't have to do anything else. You can come and just sit and watch the show.

[6:44] Patrick Hinds: Agreed. You know, my brother at my wedding last weekend roasted me in his best man speech because he said it was so nice to spend time with Robert where we don't have to buy a ticket and have a two-drink minimum.

[6:59] Robert Bannon: I know, but I feel bad because we love our people. You know, I would do it in your living room and I would do it for free too. We love it. But that's why I love making podcasts because podcasts are free. For like we have Patreon, you can subscribe if you want, but you know, if you want the regular podcast, like the advertisers pay us, you don't have to, you know, it's all free. That's the beauty of podcasting. How did this start, podcasting for you? Do you like the word podcasting, firstly?

[7:24] Patrick Hinds: Because it's funny because it's a very antiquated word, right? It comes from the fact that originally you could only really listen to them through your Apple iPod, which is why they're called podcasts. Podcasts go back a lot farther than people think. People started making podcasts in like 2006, 2007. I knew a person who was one of the original adopters of creating, and it was so difficult to figure out how to get it onto the internet and for how people to get. Now it's also streamlined; anybody—I mean, I'm living proof that any idiot can make a podcast. But I love it. I mean, I always say that I feel so grateful to be alive and creating in what I call the golden age of podcasting because I really professionally feel like that is what I was put on this earth to do, to sort of tell these stories, build communities.

For me, it's about so much more than just the hour-long episode that we make for both my True Crime podcast and my Golden Girls podcast that I make with the great Jen Samard. We're building really big fan communities, and you know, we don't think of them as fans of us; we think of them as fans of the things that we're covering, right? Because on True Crime Obsessed, we recap true crime documentaries, and on the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast, we recap episodes of the Golden Girls and throw in that we have a full-time researcher, and we throw in bits of history about the Golden Girls and things that they talk about on the episodes, and we give you more than just a recap. But that's what I love about podcasts is that really people want to listen to your podcast, but then they want a place to go to talk about it, and maybe that a place to meet other fans in real life, and you really can find these really wonderful, supportive communities in these little pockets on the internet, and that's what I love the most about podcasting.

[9:09] Robert Bannon: Well, I love it too. I've never listened to a podcast until I had a podcast, and now I love podcasts because I think that they're so great. I hear so many people who have their favorite podcasts. A lot of people love crime podcasts.

[9:21] Patrick Hinds: Love them.

[9:22] Robert Bannon: Were you someone who loved—like, how did this idea come to you?

[9:26] Patrick Hinds: Yeah. So what happened was I got into the world of podcasting in like 2013, 2014. I was listening to there was a podcast called Downstage Center, where a guy was interviewing all these big Broadway stars, and it was kind of a dry thing, but I loved it because I'm a big theater person. He stopped making that podcast, and so I was like, "Well, then I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take over the mantle. I'm gonna learn how to make a podcast and learn how to find Broadway stars and ask them if they'll sit down with me in person." I would drag this suitcase full of microphones and a mixing board and microphone stands to Pearl Studios once a week, and I'd get to interview these big Broadway stars. I would just reach out to them on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or whatever, and 99% of the time they said yes, and we would just sit down and talk about their career.

I loved it, loved it, loved it so much. I found that the Broadway-adjacent creative community, you know, meaning those of us who make podcasts or YouTube shows, I never found it to be particularly welcoming. The people didn't seem to want to support each other. There was a lot of competition. So I had a policy that whenever there was a new podcast, a new theater podcast, I would directly, because I was one of the first, I was one of the very, very first to make a theater podcast. My policy was anytime there was a new podcast, I would reach directly out to the creator and say, "Hey, I'm Patrick."

[10:50] Patrick Hinds: I make true, I make uh theater people. I've been doing this for a long time. If there's ever anything I could do to help you, please let me know. And I did that for every new podcast that came after me. And one of them was the Hamelcast. And it was a podcast by a woman named Julian Pensavalle about um the musical Hamilton. And I sent her a DM and we started hanging out and we just became friends. And it was, it was at a time when I was really discovering how much I loved the podcasting industry in general, particularly true crime. I was really drawn to that sort of genre. And I was trying to figure out if there was a way that I could make a living as a podcaster. I was starting to see some creators, independent creators like me, transitioning from doing it as a hobby to actually making a living doing it.

And I thought, if I could, if there's any genre in which I could make that happen, I thought that it would be true crime. And it just happened that Gillian wanted to make a true crime podcast too. And we sort of put our heads together and came up with this idea because we both love true crime documentaries. What if we did uh there were already a ton of true crime podcasts, and we didn't know if we'd be able to break through, but you know, it was we were like, what if we made a podcast recapping true crime documentaries? And there was nothing out there like that. And we we made our first episode, and it was, you know, it took the crime and the victims very seriously, but we were able to find humor in either the way the documentary was made or some of the characters that were involved.

And we it was a very not that we created true crime comedy. We certainly did not, but we we certainly found our own way into that sort of genre. And within a couple of months, we got an email from a company called Audio Boom that was like, we sell ads on podcasts and we don't have anything like yours do you want to work with us and we're like you know what they're probably totally gonna rip us off what do we know but sure let's work with them and you know almost nine years later we're still with them we've had this you know great relationship with them and you know and and then maybe two years in we we discovered Patreon and our listeners really wanted more content and so we decided to make bonus content on Patreon and for like three years we were the number one creator on Patreon like of all of Patreon True Crime Obsessed was the we had the most patrons of anybody um and so you know we just we were able to really build this community and give them what they wanted and sort of grow as people and creators and and podcasters it's been a really amazing journey.

[13:11] Robert Bannon: Oh my god Patrick that's insane is there moments where you are in shock or disbelief or living the dream like what an amazing journey.

[13:24] Patrick Hinds: I will say in the beginning when you know I was saying this to somebody the other day I hadn't really articulated it like this before but when true crime says hit it hit like it really hit in a in a way that Jillian nor I ever could have anticipated. Like within you know eight or nine months we both quit our jobs to make true crime obsessed full time then a few months later my husband quit his job because we needed a manager both like to run the back end of everything and customer service and all of our finances and then we were dealing with bookings and then UTA came in and they asked if they could represent us for for everything. And so, you know, then we signed with UTA. Um, it all happened so fast that it actually put me into therapy because I there was a there was a pocket of time that I started to question reality that I was like, is this the Truman show?

Like is this a reality show? Like, this can't be real. This isn't my life, you know. Um, and but over you know, a period of months and years, my therapists have been able to convince me that no, this is all real, it's all happening. And it's a product of working hard and you know, and finding good people to work with and treating people well. And yeah, it's been it's been a real, you know. I I I wake up in my apartment every day, and I uh the the day that we moved in there several years ago, I I realized that it was a dream apartment for me and for my family. And and I remember thinking like I will never ever take this for granted. And I don't, I never do. Every day I wake up in that place with my beautiful family. I I feel like the luckiest person in the world.

[14:58] Robert Bannon: I love this story so much, and I'm I'm so excited and happy for you. So before we talk about Golden Girls, and then we talk about the book and we talk about the tour, which everybody we're gonna follow Patrick. We're gonna buy tickets to see him live in New York and around the 40 cities on this tour, particularly, and already booking for next year. So you gotta follow him to stay up to date. You still do how often do you do a podcast and and what's the best way for we to for us to see them, hear them, listen to them? How can we stay up to date?

[15:22] Patrick Hinds: We so we release um basically two episodes of True Crime Obsessed every week on Tuesday and Thursday. Tuesdays are our regular episode. We do bonus episodes on Thursday. We do, I think we're doing 50 bone. I can't remember how it works out to be about 75 episodes per year on the regular feed. So Tuesday and Thursday, you can find them anywhere you listen to your podcast. We also just launched our YouTube channel, and that is blowing up. We already have like 15,000 subscribers to our YouTube channel. Um, it's crazy how YouTube is just happening. Uh, and then we have our Patreon content. So we release a full bonus episode every week. Uh, and that's where we cover the longer form series, like the Karen Reed trial documentary is five episodes on HBO Max.

And so we do one episode a week for five weeks, and then we and then we go to another. So just for True Crime Obsessed Alone, I release any we release anywhere from two to three episodes a week. And then for the Golden Girls Deep Dive podcast, we do just one episode a week, and those are on Mondays.

[16:21] Robert Bannon: Okay, so we could get the full scoop. So you and Jen are still out here, even though she's a big giant death becomes her superstar. I mean, Jen is Jennifer Samard, I'm sure all of your viewers know who she is. She's now a three-time Tony nominee. She is the hardest working person in show business. She is the kindest person I have ever met. She is the most I kept waiting for her to be like, I don't have time to do this podcast. I don't have time to do it. And she never even came close to that. I mean, the way that this woman manages her time, she did, we did give her, I mean, we didn't give her. She said that she needed a couple weeks off now that the we're ramping up to the Tonies. And so my husband is stepping in as a guest co-host for two episodes uh this Monday and next Monday.

But she's a workhorse, you know. We banked a whole bunch of episodes before uh they went into previews on Broadway. So she had two months off then, so she could just focus on the show. Then we banked a whole bunch more episodes so that when uh when Tony season happened, if she were to get nominated, she would be able to take that kind of time off. But like things keep happening with the golden girls too. Like we just won a Webby Award. We just won a Webby Award for best episode of a TV podcast. Like we like Seth Myers was in our category, and we won. Um, and so it's like it like it things just keep growing and growing and growing. It's it's wild.

[17:37] Patrick Hinds: So, this podcast about the golden girl. Well, Jen Jennifer is the funniest, sweetest person ever. Um she is just incredible, and sings her face off. So when in ungodly, so this is you take an episode, you take a golden girls episode per podcast episode, and you just kind of break it down.

[17:55] Patrick Hinds: So we go in order from the pilot episode all the way through season one, season two. So right now we're in the middle of season two, so we're going in order every week. And yeah, we what we do is we we watch the episode and we sort of just recap it. But we we break it, we talk about everything. We talk about the politics of the episode, we talk about the comedy of the episode, we talk about the the costumes and the um, you know, it we're we basically just walk through the episode and sort of share our observations, which inevitably leads to personal stories and just fun and hijinks, but we also have a full-time researcher who researches every episode, and then you know, so we're coming into it with context with any sort of like pop cultural reference, we're able to explain what it is and sort of talk about what was going on, like what was on the front page of the New York Times that week.

What was going on in the world, and how does that relate to the episode? And so that's why we call it the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast, because it's not just a recap, it really is a deep dive into each episode.

[18:52] Robert Bannon: Well, ladies, gays, as Robbie says, gay adjacent people, everybody who this is for these golden girls deep dive is for you, and then true crime obsesses. I gotta tell my brother, my brother is a cop and he drives around listening to crime podcasts.

[19:07] Patrick Hinds: Oh, tell him about true crime obsessed, but I will also say the number of straight men that I've met at my live shows. There, Tony, I'm talking to you. Like, there are so many straight men of a certain age who love the Golden girls, and part of it, I think it's probably because they watched it with their moms when they were kids or whatever, or their grandmas. Like, there are so many straight men at those shows. It's wild. So we have podcasts for you all, everybody that's watching. You're a fan of a podcast. You're listening to us, then you gotta be make sure you're listening to these podcasts.

[19:38] Patrick Hinds: And then you decide, like, why don't I write a book? Yeah. I'd wanted to write a book for a really long time because I um I just have these like 12 funny, silly stories from throughout my life about me sort of like falling flat on my face. And like what we it's not a self-help, it's not meant to be like that at all. It really is meant to be me sharing 12 funny, silly stories. But you know, it it is a memoir memoir adjacent. It goes in order from like my early years to now. Um, so it, you know, it is really just me sort of sharing my experiences and some of the things I've learned along the way. It's you know, one of the stories is is B. Arthur, you know, one of the stories is my quest to find out if my mom had sex with Glenn Close.

My mom is a lesbian, um, and was very close with Glenn Close when they were in their post-high school years. Uh, and I will tell you, I get an answer to this question from Glenn Close. I won't tell you how I get there, but I will tell you that I do. Um, another chapter is about uh I I opened a home daycare once. Uh I spent a year of my life working to open a home daycare, so I wanted to stay home and like take care of my kid. Um, it lasted for less than a week before I shut it down under false pretenses. So it's like stories like these. It is they're fun, they're silly, but they're real life things that really happened to me or that I did or that I experienced, and it's wild.

[21:04] Robert Bannon: I'm looking on Amazon right now. I I need to buy a coffee. Hold on.

[21:07] Patrick Hinds: Well, I also did the audiobook. If you want to hear me read it, you can get it on Audible as well.

[21:14] Robert Bannon: The people, what are you? You have nothing to do when you're sitting at the beach this summer or you're flying somewhere. You it's $18, Patrick. You can't even get a you can't even get a venti coffee in New York City for $18.

[21:27] Patrick Hinds: No, you absolutely cannot. There's only one in stock. Well, there's zero in stock now because I just bought it. And so you gotta get the book or listen to the book on Audible as well. Your mom, I just I was sold, not you're charming and lovely, Patrick, but you know the cover.

[21:44] Robert Bannon: Yeah. Can you tell me that picture? I when I tell you that I've gotten so much mileage. I think that was like my sixth grade class picture. And I um I remember, I tell this story to you. I remember getting ready for school that day and looking in the mirror and being like, bitch, you look good. Like you look, you are nailing this. The style, the hair blown out for days. Like I was like, girl, you got this. Well, I if I showed you my senior picture, I think we've all been there. We've all and then it just look how a chubby gay son of a Jesus obsessed lesbian found love, family, and podcast success. Wait, let me ask you a question. Who do people tell you that you look like?

[22:26] Patrick Hinds: I get weird, I have gotten weird things. If I take my hair away, I get like sometimes it's Drew Carey. Oh my god. That's no, that's not where I was going. And then so well, what do you then? Someone said I had the face of Rami Malik, but only if I'm skinny.

[22:42] Robert Bannon: No, you look like Ryan Phillippe, who Ryan Philip. Now I am openly flirting with you here. Ryan Phillippe is like is totally my hall pass. I'm a married man, you're a married man, nothing's gonna happen. But I'm just saying that I this all came about because I I think I saw Robbie posted a picture of you or something, and I was like, Robbie, who is that? I'm in love with him. Like I had such a crush on you from the second I saw your picture. Robbie's like, I have to connect you. He does a he does like a YouTube show. And I was like, but I can't talk. He's too cute. I'm gonna be flustered.

[23:12] Patrick Hinds: No, first that's the sweetest thing ever. Because when Robbie said Patrick loves you, I thought it was because Robbie posted video of me and him being stupid, and we're just dumb. And it was probably a cross-section of like being very handsome and also being like a and also being gifted. Patrick, I think we look alike, is what I said. And you said that was I know it. Well, it took my breath away. I was like, he's so cute, he thinks we look alike. I'll take it. It's like a compliment on a on a Wednesday. I'll take it. The ultimate my husband, Darius will definitely say, please take Robert one night and please go like go to dinner because give me a night off from having to deal with him.

[23:47] Robert Bannon: You guys are a good match. I saw a picture of your husband. You guys are both very, very cute. Thank you so much, Patrick. And I'm f and and your beautiful family. And I teach sixth grade, and you have a sixth grade about to be sixth grader, and I just am obsessed with the whole thing. And the gay marriage and family thing is something that we've talked a lot about in our house. You know, I don't know about you, Patrick, but like Darius is not a podcaster, he's a YouTube watcher.

[24:09] Patrick Hinds: Uh well, tell him to watch True Crime Obsessed on YouTube because it's happening there. Okay. And we're gonna walk and he watches like all the gay couples who like have farms and kids.

[24:18] Robert Bannon: Yeah, that's that content is awesome. And do you guys want to have kids? Do you guys talk about it?

[24:21] Patrick Hinds: Well, you know, we talk about it. I don't know how old you were when you had your daughter. 36. We were not young. Okay, so that's his because I'm 42. And his thing is like if we can have a kid now, and then you have a young kid, and then you're gonna like it's one of those things like do we change our life in our 40s, or do we not? It's like it's or do we foster he's foster kids in the past? Like, we we are still in the conversation.

[24:46] Robert Bannon: We got Daisy from foster care. She we we did a foster to adopt thing with Daisy, and it was amazing. And it's you know, I mean, I actually really liked being a slightly older dad than like you know, I'm glad I wasn't in my my 20s or early 30s because like I feel like we were more we certainly weren't like our lives completely changed in terms of our work after Daisy came to us. So it wasn't like we were like, you know, we weren't like as financially stable as we are now, but but um it was I I was glad to have her a little bit later because I felt like as a person I was more evolved and more ready to be a dad, you know.

[25:21] Patrick Hinds: I agree. I love that for I love that so much. Oh, we look the course, the foster course book uh like to get the information is on my kitchen table. So hold on to your hats. Who knows what's gonna happen?

[25:32] Robert Bannon: Yeah, yeah, truly. And I mean, you know, it's one of those things where I always say to people, because you know, I'm a little bit past the age now where people are like, should I or shouldn't I? Like, I don't know, because I think most people by I'm 47. So by the time people are my age, you've most people have made the decision. But I used to say to people when I was in my, you know, when I when Daisy came to us, like, and we decided we had one of kids, and when Steve and I got together, we did not want kids, and that was one of the reasons why we got together, and that just changed for us. But remember thinking, like, I I don't think that like anybody who decides not to have kids. I'm sure there are some people, but most people don't regret that decision later, you know what I mean?

Especially if they have kids that are their age that are like young, like nobody who is my age and was on the fence, but then ultimately decided not to have kids. Who is still in my life, nobody regrets that choice.

[26:22] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, absolutely. I I could talk to you for hours because you are a good time, and you and your husband are probably a good time, and I bet we can have a triple date and bring Robbie and Len and you all, and we could have it would be fun.

[26:34] Robert Bannon: It'd be amazing. That'd be incredible. Kiki it up and gossip with you anytime, Patrick. For days and days.

[26:41] Patrick Hinds: So what's our homework?

[26:42] Robert Bannon: Our homework is a true crime obsessed podcast, is out. You can listen to it. You can go into the YouTube channel. It is a new YouTube channel. It already has more subscribers than us. So do I hate Patrick? Yes. And secondly, you can go to Golden Girls The Deep Dive podcast. Does it have Tony nominated superstar Jennifer Samard on every single episode? Unless it's it's it's Patrick's husband. Yes, she is there, and you can get all that all also available wherever. You can get the book. There's no more physical hard copies on Amazon, but there's gonna be some somewhere because I bought the last one. Failure is not an option. Patrick Hinds is available. You can grab that, and then you're gonna get your tickets to an evening with Patrick Hinds, laughs, drinks, drum. Look, he's already in rainbows. There's a bear, there's B. Arthur and Cheesecake. I'm sold. What maybe there's too much of me out there? Maybe I need to scale it back a little bit.

[27:28] Patrick Hinds: No.

[27:30] Robert Bannon: No, we need more. We need to come back to Mike's magical castle in Detroit.

[27:35] Patrick Hinds: I know I can't wait to get back to Detroit. The Detroit audience was amazing. It was such a good without giving a city and being shady. Are the audiences very they vary very much?

[27:48] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, I will say, like, I mean, I you know, the the what I will just say is that what it took me a couple of years to get used to is that Midwest audiences are just polite, so they don't want to clap over you, they don't want to laugh over you. They don't want to laugh inappropriately. And at first I was like, Oh my god, the show's not funny in Ohio. Why isn't the show funny in Ohio? And then I was like, oh no, they're just so nice. They're just so good. So, like, you know, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, New York, Boston, the coastal city audiences are always Detroit, which you know isn't isn't a coastal city, but it's just like a you know, it's Detroit. Like, those are always really loud, raucous audiences.

But when I I always, I'm always the I always say, like, the doors open at 5 30 for the VIPs, and I'm the one opening the door. I'm hanging out with y'all before the show starts, and then we do an after party. I'm not like in the back in the green room on my phone. I'm like, I'm hanging out with you. The whole point is for us to all get to meet each other. Um, but when I get to meet everybody in like the quieter cities, they're just as enthusiastic as the people in San Francisco, but they're just they're just a quieter audience because it's there, it's a polite thing to them.

[28:50] Robert Bannon: Where did you grow up?

[28:52] Patrick Hinds: Cape Cod, Massachusetts, Massachusetts.

[28:55] Robert Bannon: Yeah. Where'd you grow up?

[28:56] Patrick Hinds: Jersey.

[28:58] Robert Bannon: Oh, wow.

[28:58] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, yeah. Jersey.

[29:00] Robert Bannon: Just trashy Jersey.

[29:01] Patrick Hinds: Trashy. Well, that's the thing. I grew up on trashy Cape Cod. I grew up in the poor town. Like, I got my first job when I was 13. I worked all summer. I never really got to experience the Cape Cod that most people hear about or dream about. But like, Cape Cod is trashy, you guys. Like a Dunkin' Donuts on every corner. Like, come on. And like Dunkin' Donuts is my coffee. Don't get it twisted. I love a Dunkin' Donuts, but it's not fancy. You know, Patrick.

[29:25] Robert Bannon: See, I just can do this because Patrick is a podcaster, so it just goes on a rant and we were ready. Look, I had this issue with the coming to Detroit. I moved to Detroit nine months ago, and all we have in New Jersey is Dunkin' Donuts. They only have two Dunkin' Donuts in the whole city of Detroit, and everyone makes fun of me because I need Dunkin' Donuts. I don't know. I don't want Starbucks. I don't want Tim Horton. I don't even know who Tim Horton is. I want my Dunkin' Donuts.

[29:50] Patrick Hinds: We all know Tim Horton from Come From Away. Like that's the only reference Americans have for Tim Horton.

[29:55] Robert Bannon: It's all come from away.

[29:57] Patrick Hinds: That's right. Exactly right.

[30:00] Robert Bannon: So I feel you about the East Coast love of the Dunkin' Don't. See, we we're gonna be friends, Patrick. And the thing about the people in Detroit who make fun of, we can't blame the ignorant. We can't blame them for what they don't know. They do things wrong here, too. They call soda pop here and things and sneakers gym shoes and all sorts. They make a lot of mistakes.

[30:20] Patrick Hinds: They call sneakers gym shoes.

[30:22] Robert Bannon: Yes, I'm gonna wear gym shoes or tennis shoes. No, they're sneaker. It's universal. Detroit get it together.

[30:29] Patrick Hinds: Come on. See, I'm so happy I had this conversation with someone from the East Coast because sometimes I think I'm going crazy, Patrick.

[30:36] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, it's not you, it's them.

[30:37] Robert Bannon: It's them, it's clearly them. Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate you. I want people to go to Green Room 42. It is the best place to see a show in New York City. It's gonna be such a great night. I love everything about being there, and you get to see you and hear a great conversation and then party it up right there on the rooftop over at Grim Room 42. So get your tickets, make sure you're streaming the music. Give Patrick your money on Patreon so you get all the exclusive goodness. The tickets to the tour are PatrickTours.com.

[31:01] Patrick Hinds: PatrickTours.com. That's where you can see all the cities, all of the um all the venues, all the dates, all that. And you have more shows that are gonna be announced as time goes on.

[31:10] Patrick Hinds: All the shows are announced now. I've got I've done 20, I've got 20 to go. I'm ending in London on August 30th. Uh so everything is there.

[31:20] Patrick Hinds: PatrickTours.com. Everything that is happening in 2025 is announced. And then we're working on the tour for 2026 right now. And I think that's gonna be, I think I'm only doing like 20 cities next year, but um, but yeah, I it's my favorite thing I get to do, so come and see me and meeting.

[31:34] Robert Bannon: Only only 20 cities.

[31:38] Patrick Hinds: I do have to like raise my kid and and be a husband as well.

[31:41] Robert Bannon: My world tour is only 20 cities this year.

[31:44] Patrick Hinds: I love it. I'm so proud of you. I've met you this way. Never met you in person. I follow you. I love what you do. You're an inspiration for people out here to make art and creativity, and that it can grow and can be multifaceted, and nobody can put us in a box. It's just we gotta just keep growing and going and being our own yes and keep making what what we do, and that's what you do, and you inspire me. So thank you for being here, Patrick.

[32:05] Patrick Hinds: Thank you for having me. This has been so so so much fun. Thank you. And next time you're in New York, we gotta hang out.

[32:09] Robert Bannon: I'm ready. Let's go. Tacos and margaritas or something fun on me.

[32:14] Patrick Hinds: Absolutely.