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[0:00] Mike Abrams: There's a cat over here. There's a cat over there. And the wrong one died. And the wrong one died.

[0:16] Mike Abrams: Welcome to The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast breakdown of The Cats Tastrophe. I'm your host, Mike Abrams, and today I have a very special bonus episode. I had the privilege of seeing CATS the movie a few days before it actually was released for a special press screening. And because, as you know, this podcast is incredibly important to the success of the movie, I wanted to make sure I reviewed it for you. And speaking of the success of this movie, I want to ask who at Universal decided it would be a good idea to have opening weekend the same weekend as Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. I'm guessing whoever made that decision is likely the same person who decided Grizabella was the right choice to die.

Either way, I want to talk about the movie and I want to do it without any spoilers. And to do that, I want to bring in a special guest. I had the pleasure of seeing this movie with podcast extraordinaire and the host of The Theatre Podcast, Alan Seales. So welcome, Alan.

[1:10] Alan Seales: Hey, Mike. Thanks for having me. I'm glad that you were able to come experience this movie with me. And an experience it was. I highly recommend checking out Alan's podcast, also part of the Broadway Podcast Network. And we want to get into the movie. So Alan, I want to tell you a quick story going in before I review this movie, because I have a little bit of history reviewing movies. Back in college, I actually wrote a few movie reviews for the college paper. And the reason I did this is because freshman year, someone told me, hey, you can get free movie tickets and then $10 if you write a few hundred words. $10 was a lot in college.

[1:57] Mike Abrams: It was a lot. Exactly. It was great. And so I said, that sounds amazing. Let me do that. So you have to go write some fake movie reviews for movies that have been out for a long time. And so I did those and kind of made it up and had a good time. And then I got asked to tackle my first real movie in theaters. And do you have a guess of what that movie was?

[2:16] Alan Seales: Ghostbusters.

[2:18] Mike Abrams: I wish. No, I'm not that old. Instead, it was the cinematic masterpiece, I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, with Adam Sandler and Kevin James. Which I have to admit, I never saw, because I could tell from the preview it was not something for me.

[2:34] Alan Seales: Well, I'm glad you said that.

[2:35] Mike Abrams: So I went to the theater, I watched this movie, and then I gave it a grade. And what do you think I graded it on a school grading scale? So A through F.

[2:44] Alan Seales: Okay, A through F. Judging by the fact that it wasn't very good, I would say probably a C minus.

[2:53] Mike Abrams: C minus. That was probably what most people would have. It has a 14% on Rotten Tomatoes. And I gave it an A minus.

[3:02] Alan Seales: I think your scale is off, man.

[3:04] Mike Abrams: So the reason I'm telling you this is because I want to emphasize that when I go see movies, I'm a pretty easy grader. I don't go in with a lot of expectations. I just want to be amused, and I feel like I'm a fairly easily amused person. And so I feel like that's important for this context, because the Cats movie was a cinematic experience. And I'm not sure if I would call it a good cinematic experience, but it was an experience. So we're going to get to grades at the end. We're not going to do A through F. We're going to do 1 through 9 Cat Lives, because this is The Wrong Cat Died. But there are going to be plenty of actual reviews. So instead of doing a typical review, and I don't want to do spoilers, even though there's no spoilers.

The musical's been out for 40 years. You know Grizabella dies at the end. Yeah, she dies at the end. Although we'll get to the ending. Interesting choice of the ending. But instead what I want to do is I want to go through things you liked and you disliked about the movie. And so I know there's probably more dislikes than likes, but I feel like we can scratch through this and go back and forth with a few things to give the viewers a little bit of an idea of what they're going to see, what they can expect, and not necessarily go in and change their mind going in. Because I want people to still go see this movie. I think it is worth seeing in a weird way. Everyone is going to pull something different out of it, whether they go see it for the nostalgia or they go see it because it's like Paul McCartney. They've never heard of this person before.

[4:31] Alan Seales: Exactly. They're like, oh, a new movie musical. I like those. So I think yes, I agree with you, Mike. Everybody needs to go see this. I'm going to kick off with a dislike just because there's going to be more than the likes. So I'm going to kick off with a dislike and I'm going to give credit to Christopher Gurr, who said this in the bonus episode, but I did not like the dialogue.

[4:50] Mike Abrams: I agree. I agree that it took me out of the flow of the musical. It really was clearly centered around explaining the plot to someone who hadn't seen the movie before, because they talk about it being a competition and everyone's telling their stories. And these are all things that I had to surmise the first time I saw it. And now they're given this free reign of, hey, the public's too dumb to figure this out. So we're going to tell them exactly what they're watching. And I thought it was unnecessary.

[5:20] Alan Seales: Yeah, I agree. Tom Hooper has experienced it. He did the Les Mis movie a couple of years back.

[5:24] Mike Abrams: But they didn't have dialogue.

[5:29] Alan Seales: Right. Well, Les Mis itself is an opera, right? There's no dialogue in the whole thing. And it works and they didn't add dialogue. But the opera itself, the music itself, tells the full story. Whereas here, that obvious plot, I guess, hitting you over the head with what the plot is was missing. So they decided to add it in.

[5:53] Mike Abrams: Which is fair. And that kind of gets me to the part, my first like, which is I liked Victoria as a narrator.

[6:00] Alan Seales: Me too. I enjoyed seeing it. I thought it was a very clever and smart way to allow the audience to kind of understand what's going on and view this chaos the same way she was at the same time. So a lot of the reactions that, especially if you haven't seen the musical, a lot of the reactions she was having are things that I had the first time I saw it in the theater. And Francesca Hayward, this is her big introduction into film. She's a ballet dancer in English ballerina in the Royal Ballet in London. And obviously the right choice for a perfect dancer.

[6:35] Mike Abrams: Which takes me to my first like is that she was not the best singer, which I liked. And I say that I like that because it was obviously a stylistic choice. Tom Hooper, if for Les Mis as well, he had everyone singing live. They weren't singing. They weren't mouthing to tracks, right?

[6:56] Alan Seales: Interesting.

[6:56] Mike Abrams: And so I didn't research this yet. So I believe he probably did the same thing here with Cats, because you hear the breathing and you hear the foot stomps on the wood in the, like when they're outside or when they're inside in the rooms, you hear their feet hitting the ground. You hear them breathing. You hear them jumping when they're singing. Like you go to Broadway shows and you hear them like, like they're grunting around while they're moving, while they're singing, because that's real and that's live. And he brought that into this movie, which I really, really liked.

[7:27] Alan Seales: Which, so that was something I agree with. I loved, I loved the dancing, right? Just the fact that they integrated this. I mean, a big part of seeing Cats the Musical is the dance numbers and they integrated, but it also led to one of my biggest dislikes, which was the cutting of the movie.

[7:46] Mike Abrams: The jump cuts.

[7:47] Alan Seales: The jump cuts were out of control. Every other few seconds, I was cut out from watching someone do this incredible dance to a different version or a different angle of it. And it was a little nauseating.

[8:00] Mike Abrams: That's something that I got annoyed with. I think Glee did a lot of that. When these big dance choral numbers, I'm like, just give me the wide shot. I just want to watch the wide shot. That's me coming from a theater background where I want to look at everybody on stage. But I totally agree with you that I was like, oh yeah, dancing, dancing, good. Oh crap, they jump cut. Although now they're in a completely different location singing two seconds after where they just were. So obviously reality isn't real here.

[8:28] Alan Seales: Yeah, it just made it hard to watch. And when you had the talent, the level of talent they had with dancers, it underutilized them.

[8:37] Mike Abrams: They had the late twins.

[8:41] Alan Seales: I saw one really good time when they were utilized and the rest, they were in the background.

[8:46] Mike Abrams: Yeah. Oh, that was one of my dislikes a little bit is the underutilization, speaking of which, of the principles. You've got James Corden and Taylor Swift and these other major, probably very expensive to have in the movie people. And we saw more of everybody else. I mean, I guess when Judi Dench came in, we saw probably the most of her out of all the principles.

[9:06] Alan Seales: But well, Idris Elba is, he was in a lot more than I was expecting because in the musical Macavity's, you know, he's not there and he was everywhere in this movie. He was, he was a very center point. I mean, they made him the antagonist and really hammered that home. I was a fan of, I'm trying not to give away a spoiler. I was a fan of how he entered and exited until it was overused.

[9:46] Mike Abrams: So I had that as a dislike, but it also led me to one of my favorite likes, which was the crowd, because I'm assuming most everyone who's going to be in this theater is not all going for the same reasons. And our crowd definitely had some people that either were in an altered state of mind or were there for the comedic value of it when there's not, like the unintentional comedic value of it. And so at that particular time, every time he entered and exited some guy about two rows behind us just started cackling. And that to me made this experience 10 times better because the guy behind us, and there's a guy right in front of us that were laughing at the most.

[10:30] Mike Abrams: Seriously, listen right meow.

[11:00] Mike Abrams: I love the technology that goes into this because I don't know how they did. I mean, I assume it's some sort of like facial motion capture, obviously whole body motion capture. But like Avatar, James Cameron, they totally pushed the envelope and had the avatars develop a new facial animation technology for Avatar. So I feel like something like this went into this with the whole body capture, which I was like, oh, this is really cool how they're making these real people into cats. But then I was like, whoa, they are too sexy for me. Like I was seriously attracted to white cat and I'm like, this is weird. It was uncomfortable. It was uncomfortably weird and I don't know if it was just unfinished because, you know, you read the article Tom Hooper said that they finished the final cut of the movie like what, three hours before the first premiere?

Yeah. Like you could see they had full-on human feet, full-on human hands, full-on human noses, full-on human mouths and eyes, I guess for that matter too. I guess yeah, Macavity's had like contacts in, but still it was like, it was too much human for me to believe that they were cats and it was a little bit strange.

[12:47] Mike Abrams: It got a lot of press leading up to the movie because it reminded everyone of Sonic the Hedgehog about how the whole crowd had an uproar and that's what happened during the trailers. The crowd got an uproar about the CGI and just the fake fur and what was happening and it was a little distracting in the movie. Well, they had probably somebody, I want to watch the credits. They probably had somebody or a whole team of people that were just looking at or responsible for the tails, you know the tail on it's like the dinosaur supervisor in Jurassic Park.

[13:19] Alan: Yeah, yeah, the tailography because the tails had, and the ears too, ears had to correspond and the tails had to correspond to a choreography to singing to emotions and obviously they're not gonna have that in real life while they're going around dancing and singing so it's got to be added in in post.

[13:36] Mike Abrams: Yeah, that's a lot. Let me go to a couple other, I want to do a couple other really quick ones before we cut to some awards we have at the end. The ones I want to talk about is a couple of the characters that they made some changes to or they just adjusted more than I was expecting. So I thought some were really well done and some were a disaster. The one that I thought was really well done was Taylor Swift. She sings the entire Macavity song by herself, the whole catnip being in there. I just thought that whole scene was really clever and it's a great song, it's a fun song and I thought they did a really good job with it.

[14:15] Alan: But to your point, I think they paid a lot of money for her to be on screen for about seven minutes.

[14:20] Mike Abrams: Yeah, I totally agree. Somebody like Jennifer Hudson who keeps recurring, she's coming back, you know, Grizabella keeps coming in and out of the scenes like okay cool, pay some money for that for her. She's worth it. She sings that crap out of that song at the end very much and yeah, Taytay, I mean she brought it. She wrote the end credit song, which was cool.

[14:42] Alan: She didn't sing.

[14:46] Mike Abrams: She didn't sing, but she wrote it. It says it's an original song for the movie that didn't actually go in the movie. It's a credit song. But yeah, could have cut that. Like I think Ian McKellen too as Gus, I think that was probably not needed.

[15:00] Alan: He did a great job.

[15:03] Mike Abrams: He did a great job, but are you seeing this movie if they don't have all the stars?

[15:08] Alan: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[15:14] Mike Abrams: Okay, because me personally I want to go see this. I don't think, I think it's music. You have a podcast called The Theatre Podcast, so that doesn't surprise me, but I think the majority of people are choosing between this the opening weekend between Star Wars, Little Women with Emma Watson and this. They had to have some names.

[15:26] Alan: Oh, that's true. I guess who is the lead in Les Mis? Russell Crowe?

[15:32] Mike Abrams: One of the worst singers I've ever heard.

[15:36] Alan: And the lead female was Anne Hathaway.

[15:40] Mike Abrams: So they had some names too, right? And can at least sing and Hugh Jackman can at least sing. Hugh has a theater background, of course. He's doing Music Man this in 2020 and yeah, Russell Crowe, I thought was a weird choice. So Tom, but if you're listening, yeah, what name, what's going on, man?

[15:56] Mike Abrams: So the other one that lightly bothered me, not as much as the rest, but they kind of changed Mungo Jerry and Rumpelteazer's song. It was not like the original and it was a fun song because it's just always a fun quick interlude, but I didn't like the way that they did it. I just wasn't a fan of the change.

[16:18] Mike Abrams: But the one I want to get to and the last one I get to before we talk briefly about the ending because I don't want to spoil the ending, but the ending was an odd choice is I want to talk about what they did to the Magical Mr. Mistoffelees. He was magical in the literal sense of the word. They destroyed one of the best characters of the entire musical by making him awkward and weird and he's got a little awkward love story with Victoria that they kind of allude to a couple times and I just, everything about it was wrong.

[17:00] Alan: And he's, he is like, there's gonna be purists who are gonna watch the normal Magical Mr. Mistoffelees on stage and wonder what this decision was.

[17:07] Mike Abrams: Well, there, I mean you've talked about this so many times even with all the guests that there's so many like gay undertones and even bisexual or whatever it is and he was just like...

[17:17] Alan: Which brings me to my point of this or which brings me to another point is that in this entire movie there were no homosexual relationships at all.

[17:24] Mike Abrams: I mean there was lots of like cat cuddling and they rubbed heads together like cats do, but there was, like you said, and in whatever limited love story is that, that there were, it was all heterosexual. They cut out a lot of his like cool parts. Like there was no, I mean he conjured Old Deuteronomy, which that's like, you know, a material part of the story. So it's like that was needed to be there, but even that they made it a really weird way of doing it and it made him look super awkward and not magical and I was not a fan.

[18:05] Alan: I, that's I think one of the best characters in the entire musical that they made into this unnecessarily like quirky weird friend.

[18:12] Mike Abrams: Yeah, he became more of a sidekick than like a showman.

[18:19] Alan: Yeah, I'm not a fan. Now I want to talk quickly about the ending and then we're gonna go to our categories. I don't want to spoil the ending, but I just want to say until I got to the ending I was almost ready to say, you know what, I could buy this. I could buy this movie. Like I could get this whole thing. Like there are some interesting choices. It's an experience. There's definitely things I didn't like, but I was impressed with what they had to work with and how they put it together.

[18:40] Mike Abrams: Mm-hmm, and so I could get over all the rest of the stuff and then the ending came. And I remember very vividly because you and I both looked at each other in the theater and with this kind of WTF moment. There was a whole reaction across the whole crowd, the whole audience and it's this only the second time I've ever had this reaction in a theater, the first time being when I saw Lord of the Rings, the last, the third part where that movie also ignored the logical ending point and went for like 45 more minutes.

[19:04] Alan: And this was the second time where this musical ends with Grizabella ascending to the Heaviside Lair, but this movie did not end there and I kind of want to just leave it at that because if you're not gonna see the movie then I'm happy to tell you what you experience at the end, but if you're gonna see the movie, I don't want to ruin it for you because it's such a odd and in my opinion wrong, but wrong in a way that I didn't even mark this as a dislike because it was so much of a dislike that became a little bit of a like because the experience got so much funnier for me. I just kept thinking about who, like this, the only thing I think of is this was the 36th hour that Tom Hooper was saying he was cutting and he's just like, let's just keep it.

Let's keep it in. We got to go put this on the, you know, show to the premiere tonight. It's in an hour. Let's just keep the ending versus just ending with Grizabella ascending. It took me so out of the moment because it was just so like a 180 of what we had just been watching for the previous 90 minutes, you know?

[20:24] Alan: Yeah, I agree. I agree. It didn't fit. It was not the natural ending and then there was actually even another part where I was like, okay now this is the ending and then it kept going again.

[20:35] Mike Abrams: Yeah, it is. There are three distinct times in that ending where you think it should and it cuts back to the awkward part and it happens three full times.

[20:48] Alan: Mm-hmm, and it's a good ten minutes more.

[20:53] Mike Abrams: Oh, maybe at least. Probably was like two, but it just felt like...

[21:00] Mike Abrams: Spoil it because I really do think like when you go see this movie you're gonna have the same moment. It's gonna be the most memorable thing you see. Memorable. Memorable. And that includes more memorable than memory. So I want to leave us at that and I want to go to do some categories. Some cat-agories. Before I do that I want to take a quick break and acknowledge my sponsors because we've made it through this entire season. We haven't had the ad breaks that I've wanted and so I want to read a few ads from a few people that have companies that have sponsored me. I'm legally obligated to tell you that none of these companies have actually sponsored the podcast and one of these companies might not be real but I want to read some ads for you.

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[23:19] Mike Abrams: And welcome back. It's now time for our award categories. So Alan, I've got a few awards I want to give and we'll have some nominations and you can tell me who you think wins. The first one I want to nominate is the I Treated a Multimillion-Dollar Movie Project Like a Junior High School Science Project Award and the nominees are Tom Hooper. Tom Hooper or Tom Hooper. Who do you think the winner is?

[23:48] Alan Seales: Oh this is a tough choice. I think I'm gonna have to go with Tom Hooper.

[23:52] Mike Abrams: I agree and congratulations Tom Hooper for admitting that you stayed up 36 hours straight to finish the movie hours before the premiere, just like every kid finishes their science project. I can't believe you finished a 95 million dollar budgeted movie hours before the premiere. I'm like, I'm proud. I'm actually very proud because that's incredible. That gives me, that actually helps me with my imposter syndrome because if someone is willing to give somebody 95 million dollars who procrastinates in the same way that I do then I'm in good company or they're in good company either way. Yeah it's kudos. Kudos to you Tom.

[24:29] Mike Abrams: Okay the next award is for the Let Me Show You How Small These Cats Actually Are Award and that's for the best unnecessary set piece to try to scale the cats. So the nominees are there's a 20-foot door that pops up a couple times, there's an entire scene with Jenny AnyDots where she is in her home and it's a kitchen and so there's a ton of kitchen props, and then the last nominee is the Mungojerry and Rumpelteazer scene where they break into a house. So they start in a bedroom and go into a dining room and wreak havoc on this entire home.

[25:12] Alan Seales: I will have to go with Rumpel and Mungo because Victoria's with them and comes out with a ring she's wearing as a bracelet, a human ring that she's wearing as a cat bracelet. That's a good one. The reason that they were the winner for me is because when they get to the dining room table they sit on the chair and they hold a fork and knife that's bigger than they are and that was the one where I was just like all right we get it they're tiny let's move on. I was still at that point I was also still angry because that wasn't the song that I was wanting to hear. Congratulations Mungo and Rumpel teaser for winning this award.

[25:40] Mike Abrams: The third award goes for what I am calling the Luke P Bachelor edit, which is the award for if you don't get that reference that's for the character that got the worst edit in the movie. And so the nominees for this are the straight and nerdy Mr. Mistoffelees, Skimbleshanks being a tap dancer, Jenny AnyDots being her comedic lazy, or Macavity who kind of got an extra edit with the way he goes in and out of all the scenes.

[26:13] Alan Seales: I think my top choice is Jenny AnyDots simply because there were too many gratuitous comedic slapstick moments where she just tried to jump and was fat and hit a wall and fell like that just do it once okay five times I'm good.

[26:33] Mike Abrams: And a lot of cat puns.

[26:34] Alan Seales: Oh yeah yeah that was too meta too meta for me she should not know cat puns. I still think the worst edit goes to Mr. Mistoffelees which we covered earlier so I don't want to get back into it it's still you know I'm 24 hours later and I'm still mad about it. It's besides the ending it's the part that bothered me most about this whole movie. And so that would be my Luke P. Bachelor edit award.

[27:00] Mike Abrams: And the last award we have to give is the wow that person saw something different than I did award. And I'm gonna give that to the person who enjoyed the movie the most. And so this is gonna be groups of people. So my nominees are gonna be do you think diehard Cats fans, overall Broadway enthusiasts, or people who attend this movie with no knowledge but on an altered state of mind?

[27:23] Alan Seales: Ooh ooh this is a tough one. I seriously think that it's going to be theater Broadway nerds not nerd nerds in a good way. Lovers of Andrew Lloyd Webber, lovers of this show who are gonna come and no matter who sings it or where it's performed they love the music. It brings back some nostalgia, it brings back memories, and just makes them feel overall good. So I'm gonna go with Cats lovers and enthusiasts. I think they are going to enjoy it and I think anybody who has seen the musical ever you kind of got the WTF moments out of the way in the theater. And so I think those people are gonna like it but have some criticisms especially the last 2 to 25 minutes. I do think someone who comes in an altered state of mind are going to really love this because there were a couple people in our theater that were laughing at all these points that should not have had people laughing.

And the whole time I kept thinking I wish I was as happy as those people. And so that makes me think that they likely made a decision that they're going to be very happy with when they debrief about this movie with their friends later.

[28:42] Mike Abrams: So the final question which is how would you rate this movie on a scale of 1 to 9 cat lives?

[28:48] Alan Seales: You're asking me?

[28:49] Mike Abrams: I'm asking you. You're gonna rate first.

[28:53] Alan Seales: Oh goodness! I graded Chuck and Larry an A- so we all know where I'm going. So what is the equivalent of an A- in cat lives? Like an 8? Like an 8, 8 and a half.

[29:01] Mike Abrams: Okay so for me it gets major points for the technology and I liked the orchestrations and the cast was good even though underutilized the cast was good. So I'd give this maybe a four and a half cats.

[29:22] Alan Seales: Wow! Generous!

[29:23] Mike Abrams: I'm giving it three cats. I'm giving it three cats because it's one cat for each time the ending cut back to this awkward moment that made me unsure of what I was watching for the last few minutes. And I feel like that's the only way to grade it is to grade it off of that ending and give it three cats based off of the three cutbacks to that particular moment.

[29:43] Alan Seales: Well thank you Alan for joining and for listeners for enjoying this special bonus of The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast breakdown of The Cat's Atrophy. I highly recommend going to see The Cat's Movie which is in theaters everywhere on Friday December 20th 2019. Bring your friends, family, but don't bring your children even though this is PG. I've said that many times and I want to stick to that. Please do not bring your children. It will haunt their nightmares. But Alan thank you and how can we catch your podcast?

[30:19] Alan Seales: You can find me on the Broadway Podcast Network at bpn.fm slash TTP. If you had strong opinions about the movie I would love to hear from you whether you loved it, thought it was the best movie ever made, whether you thought it was the worst thing you've ever seen in your life, or anything in between. I'd love to hear about that. I'd love to hear about your thoughts on the ending. Please let me know your thoughts. Either send me a direct message on Instagram at TheWrongCatDied or email me at TheWrongCatDied at gmail.com. I'd love to hear your thoughts, your takes on the movie, and if you have a very groundbreaking or good hot take you'll have a chance to hopefully be on a future bonus episode where maybe we will be discussing this movie in further detail with former cast members and hopefully maybe some movie cast members if you know any.

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