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[0:15] Mike Abrams: Welcome to The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast breakdown of The Cat Satraphy. I'm your host, Mike Abrams, and today we have another amazing guest. She is an incredible theater content creator and has performed in all kinds of shows over the years. I'm sure you've seen her work on social media, and she told me she has some very fun hot takes on cats. So welcome, Olivia Kaye Da Silva, and thank you for joining me.

[0:36] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Thank you for having me.

[0:38] Mike Abrams: I'm excited. I, you know, before we just briefly chatted, but I always love when people reach out to me because a lot of times it's like, oh, I've got this hot take of cats because it was my first show or for years, but you just told me that you just recently were immersed in the Jellicle world. So let's start there. Tell me about your first time seeing the show and when was it? How did you experience it? What did you think?

[1:03] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Okay. So this kind of, I mean, this kind of starts like a long time ago. My brother and I had a VHS that had a trailer for a recording of cats before it. And so for years, like that was my just like, that was the only knowledge I had of cats was this trailer of these people dressed as cats dancing around.

[1:29] Mike Abrams: Not the 1998 movie. You had a trailer for the 1998 movie.

[1:33] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yes.

[1:34] Mike Abrams: You had like two minutes or 30 seconds.

[1:36] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: And I didn't even know, like I, all I knew is that it was called cats and there were people just like cats. And I just, I know it was a VHS and my brother and I like watched way too often because it's so ingrained in my memory. But that was all I knew of it for the longest time. And then last February, it came to Chicago for a week. And I was invited to opening. And I went in completely blind. I brought my brother too, because I was like, hey, you remember that trailer? It's coming. We got to go see it. So yeah, we both went in completely blind to the show. I had no idea what it was about. I had never listened to the soundtrack, nothing. And I was so fascinated by what was going on, on the stage that I had to see it again. So I went back for closing five days later. And honestly, it's just, it's the most I can't even explain it. It's the most intriguing show I've ever seen in my life. I still think about it.

[2:40] Mike Abrams: Yeah. It's amazing to me, because I think you and I had very, it seems like we have very similar scenarios, which is you went with very minimal knowledge. I had even less. I didn't have the VHS trailer. I had zero. I knew memory. And that was it. And it had come to Broadway in 2016. And same thing. I was invited. I went. And I thought about it for weeks after. And you did. I didn't go back. You went back five days later. But yes, I was just like, what happened was kind of my like, my mind going through. So walk me through like, what were the biggest from that first viewing questions that you had about the show or thoughts that you had about the show? Like, what was it a, you couldn't sleep at night because you're thinking about a type of things from that first viewing?

[3:27] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh, gosh. Well, first of all, I kept asking everyone what in the world, a jellicle cat was, because I just was like, huh? That I think that was my biggest question. I was so confused by that. I was also very confused by the whole concept of the Heaviside Lair. I was like, are they dying? Is that their heaven? Like, I don't understand what's happening here. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of questions, which is why I went back. And the second time I saw it, I was a lot more like, I found certain things that I really, really loved. I'm fascinated by Rum Tum Tugger. Easily my favorite character. I really like classic rock and stuff like that. And he was just the most rock and roll character of this whole show. So I was instantly just drawn to him.

[4:30] Mike Abrams: Yeah, you had a very, I think you saw Hank, too. So yeah, yeah. Incredible Tugger. Very rock and roll. Loved, loved him as Tugger. And then obviously memory. I mean, we all know memory. So that was another pull because hearing it and seeing it so very different.

[4:44] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah, completely different experiences. The emotion of it is crazy. And Taylor, who was Isabella, was just absolutely phenomenal. An incredible talent. I got to see her do it in D.C. and an unbelievable singing memory. Almost made me question my podcast because I was like, ah, this is good. There's been a couple of Garza fellas where I'm like, man, this is good. This is a good memory. But you still don't have my vote. No, truly. She was phenomenal. Did you go to the Wikipedia page and start looking stuff up?

[5:18] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I have a T-shirt that says WTF is a Jellicle Cat. I had a lot of similar questions. I also had a question of who named these cats. And I realize it comes from the poems, but who came up with these?

[5:32] Mike Abrams: No, I had the exact same thought because the names are just so, I don't know. It takes a very special mind to come up with stuff like Rumble Teaser and Mungo Jerry. Jenny and E. Dodds. They're all crazy. What's your opinion on the Heaviside Lair?

[5:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I'm going to be honest. I'm still kind of like, it's just the great beyond that we don't know about. There's a lot of theories and I'm not sure there's a correct answer. Some people think it's right before heaven. It's like the area right before heaven. Some people think it's just a space in the Winter Garden Theater in the attic. Some people think it's the process of being reborn into the next life. So cats have nine. The Heaviside Lair is just your transition period to the next one. But it's kind of strange. There's not a clear answer. And over the years, it's like, do you go up to the moon? Do you walk off stage? Does the thing break and you have to figure it out? Do you fly? There's not a consistent way that they go up. Now that I think about it, I think my first conclusion of the Heaviside Lair was these cats being transitioned off to be adopted.

[6:52] Mike Abrams: Okay. They're going to the farm up north.

[7:00] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yes. Here, you can go out into public now, so someone will find you and you'll find a home kind of thing.

[7:05] Mike Abrams: I like that. I haven't heard that one. This is your choice. You're going to now get adopted. You're not going to be in the junkyard. You're going to get a nice, comfy indoor cat life now here.

[7:16] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I've not heard that, but I like that theory. That was definitely my first conclusion. I was like, that's got to be it, right? They're not dying. Tell me they're not dying.

[7:29] Mike Abrams: Well, I mean, that was my joke, was that one cat's murdering cats, just annually sacrificing one here every year, which to me was its own bizarre part of this. We're just going to be comfortable with that being the core plot line, is that it's going to be a cult-like murder.

[7:48] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think I personally like that conclusion better because I think that's hilarious.

[7:53] Mike Abrams: Yeah. More than that, being adopted's so wholesome. It's like, here's a very, very warm and fuzzy, modern, we're going to take this and just send them to a nice suburban home. We're going to take them out of the junkyard in London or in Broadway in New York at Times Square. They're going to go to Long Island or somewhere and have a nice indoor, multiple-story home to spend your time and eat Bustopher Jones-like meals.

[8:21] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yes. That's at least what I'm going to tell myself.

[8:25] Mike Abrams: That's the, yeah. I'm comfortable with that version of the heavyset layer. I think that's a much more positive spin on this show than the rest. Let's stay on that track then. Seeing it as an adult, it's different than seeing it as a five- or six-year-old kid. Did you notice how sexual and the undertone of all that? Did you pick up some of those other plot lines that are very clearly there that almost are hard to see in the first viewing, but maybe you caught in the second viewing?

[9:00] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh, yeah. Definitely in the second. Most of the things that I picked up on were from the second time I saw it, because truly, the first time I saw it, the whole time, I was just like, wait, what? Wait, what's happening? Who are these people? Yeah, no. The second time I saw it, I definitely picked up on that, mostly when it came to Tugger and anyone around him, because that's just so blaringly obvious.

[9:24] Mike Abrams: Did you pick up the Demeter, Bombay Arena, Macavity piece with that song?

[9:30] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I didn't.

[9:35] Mike Abrams: Yeah, okay. When I did research later on, I was like, oh, okay.

[9:38] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah, when you read that. That was my reaction, too, which is kind of fun. Not fun, because it's such a dark storyline, but fun in the sense that as I watched that song, I'm like, that is a fun song. That Macavity song was awesome. I loved it. It's also one of the few moments where there's not an overwhelming amount of cats on stage. It's that and Mungojerry and Rumpelteazer, so you kind of get to pick up a little bit more of like, oh, here's what's happening versus having 25 cats in your face dancing. But when I read about it, I'm like, oh, she was sexually abused by Macavity. That's a known truth. That's the one thing that everyone says. I'm like, who wrote this story? Who came up with this?

Because that's the part where my first viewing, I didn't notice. My second viewing, I also didn't really notice, but I kind of caught a little bit more of the tension. You can see the skittish nature of Demeter. But then I started reading about it, and it's like, oh, yeah, of course. And so I'm always fascinated by someone like you who's only seen it twice in a five-day period of how much of those things did you pick up or how much of those things are still totally, completely, like, I had to research this after.

[10:47] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh, yeah. I know. I keep telling everyone that I need it to come back to Chicago so I can see it like five more times because I know that there's so much in there that I still haven't discovered.

[10:56] Mike Abrams: You got to check out the 1998 movie.

[10:59] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I do. I do.

[11:00] Mike Abrams: Get that VHS backup. You have the trailer. You have the teaser for it.

[11:05] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I've got somewhere buried in your place. You can find a VHS player.

[11:11] Mike Abrams: I got to find it. It's just like a full circle moment from my childhood that just needs to happen. Ready to go. The 1998 movie is a viewing because it's, especially for you, you saw Andy Blankenbuehler's choreography, which is the same as me. You see Julian Lin's, so you see a slightly different version. You see a few things that have been cancelled out and have been kind of updated. And it's a stage production filmed, so it's like not a stage, just like a pro shot, but it's really, really well done of like on the stage. So I'm going to push you to find it. You can find it online. You can just, I think it's on the Broadway HD or some of those like streaming services now.

[11:52] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh yeah. No, it's my new mission.

[11:54] Mike Abrams: We're ready to go. So, okay. So a couple other things about the show. What were your favorite moments during the first time? Obviously you said Tugger, but what else kind of like stuck out when you were watching it the first and second time?

[12:07] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Um, I mean, I think one of the biggest things is the shoe drop. I feel like that's like a, it's like a PTSD moment for me now.

[12:19] Mike Abrams: The shoe.

[12:21] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah. That was, that's like one of the biggest things that sticks out in my memory from that show.

[12:26] Mike Abrams: You weren't ready for it?

[12:27] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Not at all. Not at all. And then all of a sudden just loud bang, huge shoe in the middle of the stage. And I was like, okay, what just happened?

[12:40] Mike Abrams: Um, I wish you got to experience green eyes, which is where they start in the crowd to kick off the show. And they don't do that. They haven't done it in the U.S. since COVID, but they brought it back in a couple other countries. But what they do is, and this was my first experience is the lights go out and you're kind of looking at stage. And then all of a sudden all around you are flashing green eyes and all the cats come through the, you know, the aisles and around people and scare the living daylights out of children and adults alike. So the shoe dropped really gave you PTSD. I'm sure green eyes still gives me a little bit of a, of a, of a shiver every time. And I was not on the aisle.

[13:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: That is insane. I would love to experience it.

[13:26] Mike Abrams: Yeah. Especially like knowing that it would be coming.

[13:31] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah. Not knowing is not always sounds awful.

[13:35] Mike Abrams: Yeah. The first time I was thankfully not on the aisle and it, it still really startled me. And I remember very, very clearly the second time I told my friend, I was like, I'm just, we can go and just don't buy aisle seats. Like I'm not sitting on the aisle. And so we bought the last row of something. And I was like,

[13:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: My first conclusion of the Heaviside Layer was that these cats were being transitioned off to be adopted.

[14:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I grew up seeing only the trailer for the 1998 movie, and I remember being so confused by it. I didn't understand what was happening, but I was intrigued.

[14:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It wasn't until I saw the show for the very first time recently that everything clicked for me. I became obsessed with the music, the choreography, and the characters.

[15:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I started diving deep into the lore of the show and the characters, trying to understand their backstories and motivations.

[15:44] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: The more I learned, the more I wanted to share my thoughts and insights with others, which is how I got into content creation.

[16:04] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I began making videos and posts on social media, discussing my interpretations of the characters and their journeys.

[16:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I found a community of fellow fans who were just as passionate about CATS, and it was amazing to connect with them.

[16:44] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: One of the things I love most about CATS is how each character has their own unique story and struggles.

[17:04] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think that really resonates with people, especially those who feel like they don't quite fit in.

[17:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: The Jellicle Ball is such a pivotal moment in the show, and it raises so many questions about worthiness and redemption.

[17:44] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I often find myself pondering who truly deserves to ascend to the Heaviside Layer and what that means for each character.

[18:04] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It's fascinating to think about how the audience's perception of these characters can change based on their own experiences and beliefs.

[18:24] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think that's part of what makes CATS so timeless and relatable.

[18:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Each time I watch it or listen to the music, I discover something new that resonates with me.

[19:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I love sharing those discoveries with my followers and hearing their interpretations as well.

[19:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It's like we're all part of this ongoing conversation about the show and its themes.

[19:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think that's what keeps the fandom alive and thriving, even years after the original production.

[20:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: The passion of the fans is truly inspiring, and it motivates me to keep creating content.

[20:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I want to encourage others to explore their own interpretations and share their thoughts on the show.

[20:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: There's so much depth to CATS, and I believe everyone can find something that speaks to them.

[21:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Whether it's the music, the choreography, or the characters, there's a little bit of magic for everyone.

[21:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think that's why it's such a beloved piece of theatre, and I'm excited to see how it continues to evolve.

[21:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: As a content creator, I feel a responsibility to keep that conversation going and to highlight the beauty of the show.

[22:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I want to inspire others to appreciate the artistry and storytelling that goes into a production like CATS.

[22:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It's not just about the spectacle; it's about the emotions and connections we make through the characters.

[22:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I hope to continue sharing my journey with CATS and connecting with fellow fans along the way.

[23:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It's been such a rewarding experience, and I can't wait to see where it takes me next.

[23:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I'm always open to new ideas and collaborations, so if anyone has thoughts or suggestions, I'm all ears!

[23:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think together we can create something really special that celebrates the magic of CATS.

[24:14] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Thank you for having me on the podcast to share my thoughts and experiences.

[24:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: It's been a pleasure discussing my love for CATS and the Heaviside Layer with you.

[24:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I look forward to continuing this conversation and exploring more about the show in the future.

[25:22] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: If anyone wants to connect, you can find me on Instagram at @oliviakayedasilva.

[25:50] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I'm always excited to meet fellow theatre lovers and chat about our favorite shows.

[26:16] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Let's keep the spirit of CATS alive and thriving together!

[26:44] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Thank you again for this opportunity to share my passion.

[27:10] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I can't wait to see what the future holds for all of us in the theatre community.

[27:38] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Until next time, keep celebrating the magic of theatre!

[27:48] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think I know your favorite cat is Tugger. Who's your least favorite cat?

[28:53] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Probably Bustopher. But yeah, so some Bustopher history for you. He got cut from the Royal Caribbean Cruise. So if you go see him on the Oasis of the Seas, he is not there. It's also Gus, so they play Bus and Gus. And it's probably one of the most common answers I get for this show, which is kind of sad because I feel like he probably deserves a better life. But it is a very easy and correct answer for that. I mean, he's a cute little fat cat, but kind of forgettable.

[29:28] Mike Abrams: Yeah, I agree. Favorite song from the show?

[29:33] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Stimble Shanks.

[29:34] Mike Abrams: Stimble Shanks. How great is it? And you were an orchestra, so you didn't get blinded by the light from Stimble Armacavity. But that song gets stuck in my head all of the time.

[29:45] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah.

[29:46] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Randomly, too. I won't even have heard it for a while. All of a sudden, it's in my head.

[29:50] Mike Abrams: That's Mungojerrie and Rumpelteazer for me. I just, every once in a while. And I finally pieced together, it's because it's one of the few times that there's only two cats on stage. So it's not overwhelming. And so I could focus purely on the two of them doing their number versus every other time I'm like, what are these two cats doing? What's going on over here? They're jumping around over here. And so I wasn't fully immersed in any other song as much as that one.

[30:15] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: No, that makes total sense.

[30:17] Mike Abrams: Yeah. Okay. I've got a lot of answers for this next one. But as a content creator, which cat do you think would be the best content creator? And what is their content going to be centered around? There's a lot of answers to this, I think.

[30:34] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I, gosh, in this day and age and knowing what's popular, I feel like Mungojerrie and Rumpelteazer as a duo would be the best. Because to me, it's in line with the pranksters on YouTube and people who just do crazy stunts for clickbait, that kind of thing. I feel like the two of them could have quite an interesting little thing going there.

[31:02] Mike Abrams: Totally. There's also a lot of couple content on TikTok. There's a lot of husband and wife or boyfriend, girlfriend that do a lot of things together. They could easily start doing dancing together and pranks together and stuff. I've always thought you've got a Bombay Arena or Victoria doing dance numbers and get readies with me and stuff like that.

[31:23] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think Busterford Jones is going to have a cooking channel.

[31:26] Mike Abrams: Oh, my gosh. That would be amazing.

[31:29] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I think Tugger definitely is doing some form of dance and he's got it. There's a lot. There's so many answers.

[31:38] Mike Abrams: Mr. Mistoffelees?

[31:40] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah.

[31:41] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: The one that I thought recently, because I've asked this a lot and I've thought about this way more than I should admit. What I thought about recently was that I think there's a monkish trap are doing some type of business analysts. Here's how you do this on Excel. Here's some hacks for that. And they're just sitting there, figuring that out and showing you how to do that. So I think there's a world for them there.

[32:08] Mike Abrams: That is so accurate.

[32:10] Mike Abrams: Okay. Million dollar question. I've argued at length that I don't think Grizabella is the right jellicle choice. So as someone who's seen it recently, saw a very great Grizabella, but also very young at Grizabella, I want to know, are you going to agree with me or are you going to defend Grizabella? And if you're not going to defend Grizabella, who is your jellicle choice?

[32:32] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I'm not defending Grizabella, but there's a whole loophole or not loophole. There's just my mind went down a full rabbit hole trying to figure out who I thought would be a better choice. And at first I landed on Gus. That feels like the obvious choice. He's a young cat. He's lived a great life. Time for him to go. But then I was like, he still just loves reliving his glory days and teaching the young cats about his life. And I feel like he's too happy. I feel like he's too content with where he's at. So then I was like, okay, no Gus, which brought me back to Grizabella. Cause I was like, maybe she is the right choice. I mean, she's, you know, tattered and torn. She's clearly had it rough. Maybe she was the right choice, but she was like just welcomed back to her family. So we got to give her the time to like, she's next year. She's like, give her some time. She's like, gonna be happy again. We can't just like rip that away from her immediately.

[33:40] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Which brought me to the answer that I feel like might be controversial. My answer is Macavity. And here is my thought process behind that. There's the saying like hurt people, hurt people, you know? And I feel like Macavity has got some demons going on that I feel like he just needs some kind of like sign of compassion or like, just send him on his way. Okay. Cause not only do I feel like he's hurting and he needs some help there and this would be like, you know, a good thing for him. It would be a great thing for everybody else. I mean, everyone's terrified of him and he only causes trouble. So like, let's do a good thing for him and get him out of here.

[34:34] Mike Abrams: Yeah. So it's, he has a few votes. He's not zero. It's not totally controversial. I think the way you're thinking about it is really interesting, which is it's not a reward necessarily as the choice. Like that's, I think a lot of people are like, oh, this is a reward or this is who needs it most. And I think if you're arguing need, you're making a case that there is need for Macavity, that he's been hurt so much that maybe if someone shows him some compassion, his next life will be better because of the need. So is that kind of like how you're thinking about it?

[35:08] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yes, exactly. I'm here for it. I'm here for any non-grisabella vote. But yeah, I mean, I think, I think it makes sense. There is a little bit of two, like, I know someone said very early on this podcast, they picked Macavity and their reason was, is that there's a little bit of a strain on the community with him and is next year better if you kind of alleviate that. And grisabella isn't that strain anymore. You've already alleviated that with her being welcomed back. So yeah, Macavity could go and you could have a better year and then you can come back and even, you know, a better cat to society.

[35:41] Mike Abrams: Yes, I agree. I like the journey you took to get there. I was just like, we're going to think through every single piece of every cat.

[35:54] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I thought about it a lot.

[35:57] Mike Abrams: Did you think about every single character of Macavity?

[36:03] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh, yes. Who, who did you, who was the, like, you told your top three, who was kind of like four or five and six that you were like, all right, I could consider these, but I've got to eliminate them for X, Y, and Z reason?

[36:19] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Um, I gotta remember now. Uh, who else did I think about? I mean, the, like, seemingly older cats. I thought about Bustopher. He seems a little older to me. Um, but again, kind of forgettable.

[36:32] Mike Abrams: Yeah. More food to go around for everybody if he's gone.

[36:32] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah. Um, hmm. The other two that come up a little bit, well, old Deuteronomy comes up a lot and then Jenny Annie Dots comes up a little bit.

[36:45] Mike Abrams: Jenny, really?

[36:45] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: She's supposed to be considered older because she's like the motherly cat. And so there is a little bit of the, like, when's her turn.

[36:53] Mike Abrams: Yeah. I thought about older Deuteronomy, but I'm like, he's just kind of like, he's a saving grace of everyone. I don't want to take him away.

[37:05] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I like you're eliminating problems of the group. Like, let's make this a more collectively better society by, by sacrificing the one that's the most challenging. Even though that's almost feeling like it's giving them a reward. It's like, uh, yeah.

[37:23] Mike Abrams: Even if you think of it from the standpoint of a reward, it's like, dude needs some love in his life.

[37:29] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah. I'm, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I like, I like the vote. I like the thought process. I like you working through all this. I like the fact that you have only seen the show less than a year, two years at most. And you, you are, you are in, you're in deep deep with this show. You are continuing. I'm sure you're going to have more ideas. You're going to learn all about street tugger.

[38:01] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh yes. And I'm going to watch, watch the movie, the 1990 movie.

[38:08] Mike Abrams: Don't do them back to back. If you do do the 2019 first and then palate cleanse with the 1998.

[38:12] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Okay. But I'm like scared to watch the 2019. Have you seen it at all? Ever?

[38:12] Mike Abrams: I haven't.

[38:20] Mike Abrams: Oh, it's an experience. It's different. Um, it's, let's be honest. It's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's not a good movie by any means, but as a, if you are a fan of cats, there are parts that you will find super entertaining and super fun. And there are a couple of performances that are amazing. It's a little hard to watch because the editing is very like jump cutty. And so you'll see this like really cool dance and you won't get to really see it. Cause it's like, you're moving from different angles. Um, and the Mungo, Jerry Rumpel teaser is the London version, which I am not a fan of. It's a totally different song. Um, but there's, it gets panned. It deserves to get panned. It was an interesting decision. If you are a fan of cats, there are going to be moments that you will find wildly entertaining and enjoy.

[39:01] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: I've, I've been wanting to watch it just because I'm like craving some cats, you know? But for me, the movie is like freaks me out. The disproportionate like all that stuff.

[39:14] Mike Abrams: You just, you just gotta ignore, you're basically going to watch a little bit of dance and some singing. Um, and you gotta ignore the rest. Cause the rest is like, some of the decisions are mind blowing and you're going to sit there and be like, how, why, you know? But if you can get past that, there are some moments, there are some moments that are a, you know, true to cats, a good movie. There's incredible performers in there. Some really, really talented people in the movie. Um, not all the household names, but like some of the dancing and like singing and performers, the Broadway people and the ballet people and the dancers are, it's really incredible what they're doing in there that got lost in the rest of the movie.

[39:41] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Okay. Okay. I'll dive in. But if you've not seen the 1998 movie, that you've got to see first. Like that is.

[40:04] Mike Abrams: That is top priority for me now. That is pure. And it's definitely streaming somewhere. I'm almost positive it's on Broadway HD or one of those, um, streaming services. It's gotta be on like at least prime, right? Buy it?

[40:19] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Yeah. Maybe to rent or buy, I'm sure you could probably rent it somewhere.

[40:26] Mike Abrams: If you've owned a VHS trailer, you got to own a digital copy. Um, but yeah, you can find it. So, um, how can people stay in touch with you on social media and then everything you're doing and all the content you're creating?

[40:38] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Um, my biggest thing is Instagram. You can find me at Olivia K. Da Silva. Um, come follow along and be fun.

[40:50] Mike Abrams: Yeah. We will, uh, tag everything and make sure we, we, uh, reshare your, your tugger reel of that everyone loved. And as you, I'm sure you're going to now go down the rabbit holes of other stuff. So as you post more, you know, we'll, we'll be excited to follow along.

[41:02] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Oh yeah, no, I'm definitely doing a deep dive into cats now. Love it. This has been so fun. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story and your thoughts. And it's been great to have you.

[41:17] Olivia Kaye Da Silva: Absolutely. Thank you for having me. And thanks everyone else for listening to this episode of The Wrong Cat Died. The podcast breakdown, the catastrophe to follow along. You could subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any of us as a podcast falls on Twitter, Instagram threads, and TikTok at The Wrong Cat Died or check out our website, thecatdied.com.