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[0:35] Joshua Broadbent: Hello and welcome to Whispers in the Wings, a theater podcast with your hosts Joshua Broadbent and Kelly Plank.

[0:46] Kelly Plank: Members of the Whispers in the Wings community, this is your Act One beginners call.

[0:46] Joshua Broadbent: Your Act One beginners call. Thank you.

[0:56] Kelly Plank: Hey Josh.

[0:57] Joshua Broadbent: Hi Kelly, how are you this week?

[0:59] Kelly Plank: Yeah, I am doing really well. Thank you. How are you?

[1:02] Joshua Broadbent: I'm very, very well and very excited because we have some sort of really interesting fun things to share with our listeners today.

[1:09] Kelly Plank: We do. Um well first, not so fun.

[1:13] Joshua Broadbent: We were in ISO.

[1:15] Kelly Plank: Thank you, COVID.

[1:16] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you, COVID.

[1:17] Kelly Plank: We were isolating apart, not together.

[1:19] Joshua Broadbent: But we were in isolation for sort of different reasons, but we won't go into that. Let's leave COVID behind.

[1:23] Kelly Plank: You get it, you either in isolation.

[1:26] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, or you have COVID.

[1:29] Kelly Plank: But that did mean that we weren't able to record.

[1:33] Joshua Broadbent: Hence a bit of a week off.

[1:35] Kelly Plank: A bit of a week off. It feels very foreign being back in front of this microphone today.

[1:39] Joshua Broadbent: It does. However, last week, we were just too busy to record, Josh.

[1:46] Kelly Plank: We were too busy to record. So Kelly and I had the really wonderful opportunity to sort of step up and for you, change departments for a couple days.

[1:55] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, yeah. Um, due to unforeseen circumstances, uh, a lot of stage management were in ISO, and that required me to move from wardrobe to learn the stage management plot, and for uh Josh to learn the show call.

[2:14] Kelly Plank: Yeah. Oh my god, it was Molanders learning the show call, though.

[2:17] Joshua Broadbent: It was running, running everything for two days.

[2:20] Kelly Plank: Which do you know what? I really enjoyed, and especially after sort of two years of COVID and not having called a show in so long.

[2:28] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, it was really rewarding, and I am very proud of myself to go, oh okay, I can still do it. I still have those skills, I have those abilities. And I couldn't have done any of that without you and Toby.

[2:39] Kelly Plank: Yeah, so we had Toby as well, who was with us for a couple of days or three days, I think.

[2:45] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[2:46] Kelly Plank: And he is another fellow stage manager who has just gone on to Mary Poppins.

[2:53] Joshua Broadbent: I know. I'm a little jealous. Just filling a little bit of a gap to come and help us and save us and then off he goes to to fly with Mary.

[3:00] Kelly Plank: Exactly. Off to London.

[3:02] Joshua Broadbent: Um figuratively.

[3:05] Kelly Plank: Yes. Let's sort of talk through the week and what happened.

[3:09] Joshua Broadbent: So for me, it sort of started on the Saturday.

[3:11] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[3:11] Joshua Broadbent: So I got a call from the producers basically being like, hey, we are going to get you to learn the show call. You have three days to sort of get it together because we don't know where we're gonna be starting the week on Tuesday and Wednesday.

[3:26] Kelly Plank: Sure, because the show normally rehearses there is a cover call standard on Tuesday.

[3:32] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. Standard Tuesday rehearsal and then two shows on the Wednesday.

[3:37] Kelly Plank: So I had to quickly jump into action, ran into the theatre, printed out a prompt copy.

[3:42] Joshua Broadbent: As you do.

[3:42] Kelly Plank: So for those who aren't aware, what's prompt copy?

[3:46] Joshua Broadbent: A prompt copy is a book that basically holds all of the cues in the show from lighting to sound. You read through it as you go.

[3:54] Kelly Plank: Yeah. Um and basically, you know, LX go. Flies. Go. Stuff like that. Occasionally or more than occasionally with numbers attached to it.

[4:03] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. Look, for me it was just getting the the what the element was and the lighting of the flies and the go. I numbers. Everyone else knows what they're doing. It's all good. It was a bit of a baptism by fire.

[4:15] Kelly Plank: It was. So typically you would have the the main show caller, so the deputy stage manager with you sort of going over the book, learning how it goes, pointing out specific things.

[4:27] Joshua Broadbent: To look for on cameras.

[4:28] Kelly Plank: On cameras, exactly. Yeah. And a lot of people have that. No, you just had an archival recording, which uh for those who have never seen one, they are grainy, they are off putting, they are hard to watch.

[4:42] Joshua Broadbent: And this archival recording s throughout act two started to become out of sync. So the audio was ahead of the video. So trying to do visual cues.

[4:51] Kelly Plank: Yeah it becomes a little bit harder.

[4:53] Joshua Broadbent: Becomes very hard. Yeah so you worked through the show call on the weekend yeah?

[5:01] Kelly Plank: I did. So I spent a long time sitting there with the book uh and just going through the call from top to bottom going over the numbers that I thought sort of had trouble with. Um you know there are a couple of numbers heart to heart for example.

[5:15] Joshua Broadbent: The tempo changes.

[5:16] Kelly Plank: So you go from counting, you know, in your twos at a quite a speed to counting two very slowly.

[5:21] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[5:22] Kelly Plank: I lost it. So I would go over those numbers and especially transitions.

[5:25] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[5:25] Kelly Plank: Because transitions involve a lot of different elements.

[5:28] Joshua Broadbent: A lot of different elements and page turning as well.

[5:30] Kelly Plank: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, in theatre we like to make transitions quite fast.

[5:37] Joshua Broadbent: We do. What was great about this prompt copy is that the deputy stage manager had actually done it all digitally.

[5:45] Kelly Plank: Amazing.

[5:46] Joshua Broadbent: So I was able to just go and print it out. Typically you would write your own. So I'd be sitting there with a rule on a pen copying what they had wrote. So it saved so much time.

[5:54] Kelly Plank: That's I've never unless like as an ASM, I've never done my own prompt copy. I I have this show and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory the first time that I sort of inherited a digital prompt copy.

[6:07] Joshua Broadbent: But typically what I'll do is make a copy of that file and then make it my own. So put in, you know, my language, the way I call things and and when, you know, to start prefixing, when to start talking and all of that sort of stuff.

[6:20] Kelly Plank: So usually I do that, but I didn't have time for this.

[6:23] Joshua Broadbent: No, of course not. It was kind of go go go for you. So then we found out that we were going to need more people in stage management because we had me and only me.

[6:35] Kelly Plank: Yeah.

[6:35] Joshua Broadbent: So on Monday, I was so close to close of business. In fact, I think it may have been after close of business on Monday. I got a lovely phone call from the tech director going, Hey, you stage manage, right? You don't just dress. And voila, I was in for rehearsals with Toby and yourself the following day.

[6:57] Kelly Plank: Uh learning the plot.

[6:59] Joshua Broadbent: So we came in early on the Tuesday, and I spoke you and Toby through the plot, which is really weird to do when you don't have everything there. You know, the show's not happening. Because I'm like, okay, so you're gonna stand here and you're gonna do this. Um, so look out for that. And you're like, okay, great. And then you sort of just write extra bit of notes.

[7:16] Kelly Plank: Well, the other weird thing is I don't know what was better. Toby had seen the show from out front.

[7:22] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, mind you, it was a few weeks ago.

[7:24] Kelly Plank: Yeah, I had never seen the show, and I don't do a lot in my plot for dressing, um, particularly in act one. And I sit upstage in the crossover, so I've never I don't look at anything, I don't know what's going on stage, I don't know who's doing what.

[7:44] Joshua Broadbent: I didn't know who Bob was.

[7:47] Kelly Plank: So Bob the character. You know, it's not my circus, not my monkey.

[7:52] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, I guess the thing that was good having the both of you is that A Toby had seen the show, yeah.

[7:57] Kelly Plank: But you, although you may not have you may not be actively listening, you hear the music every night.

[8:02] Joshua Broadbent: So you sort of I knew the music, yeah. I knew what part of my book I was up to, depending on the song.

[8:09] Kelly Plank: Oh, Heart for Heart. Andrea Gassi has just gone and won Wimbledon.

[8:13] Joshua Broadbent: Um before I have gone onto shows and had to jump in to a stage management plot without even knowing what the show was, so it wasn't the worst thing that could happen.

[8:29] Kelly Plank: Yeah, I guess it's it's sort of a similar thing for me because I obviously I s I have seen the show from the front a couple of times.

[8:36] Joshua Broadbent: Lucky duck.

[8:37] Kelly Plank: And I do the the the deck plot for both stage management and props, so I sort of know the rough thing, but calling a show is very different because there's other things you need to be looking out for.

[8:48] Joshua Broadbent: Absolutely. And you know, that focus. Two hours of just sitting there focusing. I was tense by the end. I went to the physio in between shows because I had so much tension in my neck.

[8:57] Kelly Plank: Because that's what happens when even in just a normal show caller sort of experience, if you're doing something for the first time, you're gonna feel like that. And after the the show, after the show finished, I just let out this huge sigh.

[9:09] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[9:09] Kelly Plank: And I nearly cried.

[9:10] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, it's it's kind of funny. Um, well, no, it's not funny that you nearly cried, Josh.

[9:15] Kelly Plank: Thanks.

[9:15] Joshua Broadbent: But I kind of had an opposite experience to you.

[9:19] Kelly Plank: So the last time that I was doing a stage management track, I was doing it on a blown disc in my back.

[9:27] Joshua Broadbent: And so just constantly having heat packs changing them out throughout the show.

[9:32] Kelly Plank: And then this is the first time in two years and since I had surgery that uh I was able to just do a plot pain-free.

[9:41] Joshua Broadbent: I was just like, this is easy, this is great. I can run, I can reach down, I can push things.

[9:47] Kelly Plank: So yeah, I came out of it going, Oh, I feel all loosey goosey.

[9:51] Joshua Broadbent: You were like, I had to go to the physio.

[9:57] Kelly Plank: Yeah, that neck tension was so bad.

[9:59] Joshua Broadbent: Well, yeah, I think it's also you know, you're not used to looking down so much and then looking up, trying to spot what you need to on the cameras, and then you know, just having your arms in awkward positions for cue lights, and yeah.

[10:16] Kelly Plank: There's a lot of layers to calling a show.

[10:18] Joshua Broadbent: Absolutely, and you did it standing up, didn't you?

[10:21] Kelly Plank: No, I sat down the entire show.

[10:23] Joshua Broadbent: Oh I nearly I get that I'll give I'll give you that.

[10:27] Kelly Plank: Yeah, he was being lazy. You were so busy anytime I looked over at you and Toby, it was just head in the plot moving around.

[10:34] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, no, I I typically do sit when I'm calling a show. I found it more comfortable. I did start to want to stand up, yeah, but I went, I can't do that move like live move.

[10:47] Kelly Plank: That's all right. You'll get to the point where you want a boogie.

[10:50] Joshua Broadbent: Yes. I did see a video of uh someone on Instagram who calls dancing.

[10:56] Kelly Plank: Like they they're standing up dancing and they're like throwing their arms around.

[11:00] Joshua Broadbent: Was that me? Was that is there a video of me that I don't know about on Instagram?

[11:04] Kelly Plank: Look, it wasn't it wasn't you. They're all throwing their arms around and that were like going crazy. And I was like, Do you know what? That's too much for me.

[11:09] Joshua Broadbent: Like standing up, feeling the beat in your body, great.

[11:14] Kelly Plank: Yeah, to be honest, I don't dance like that.

[11:17] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, good. Occasionally, you know, if it's if we've done a nine show week and we're at the ninth show and I've been calling seven of them, I'll be like, Oh yeah, Alex, Q one, go, two, go.

[11:31] Kelly Plank: And that's not how I call the show.

[11:36] Joshua Broadbent: I really wish the listeners could see you're dancing.

[11:40] Kelly Plank: No, I dance a lot better than that.

[11:42] Joshua Broadbent: But you know, I've been known to call shows whilst riding a stationary bike.

[11:47] Kelly Plank: Yes.

[11:48] Joshua Broadbent: So it's I just like to move. Um So yeah, the week started off pretty so we went into rehearsals after you walked Toby and I through the plot.

[12:02] Kelly Plank: And it was I don't know if it was more beneficial or more of a hindrance because half the cast went there for rehearsal.

[12:13] Joshua Broadbent: But that's the thing, we didn't have the principles and also we didn't do a full like run.

[12:19] Kelly Plank: We see so much.

[12:20] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, and so I'm just looking at my plot and I'm going, Oh, I'm ready to, you know, move this desk. Nope, okay, we're all the way into the next scene now. We're not even doing the scene change. Excellent.

[12:35] Kelly Plank: Yeah. It's it was really weird to do. Uh it felt very disjointed. But we had very limited amount of time. We had four new swings that we needed to teach a show to.

[12:47] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah.

[12:55] Joshua Broadbent: Oh absolutely. There was so much that we needed to do and got it done. We did get it done. Yeah. We did get it done. Miraculously but it was done and it was good. It was a team effort from absolutely everyone. And so was sort of the next couple of days to pull this show together for an audience as well.

[13:15] Kelly Plank: Yeah. I mean we were lucky to have the majority of the cast back come Thursday.

[13:20] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. So we had a really fun two show Wednesday.

[13:24] Kelly Plank: We did. With lots of covers and swings.

[13:27] Joshua Broadbent: That's what they're there for.

[13:28] Kelly Plank: Exactly. We celebrate them. They're a really vital important part of the industry and of the arts as is swings in stage management. Swings and props which look you coming in and changing from board job into stage management to just get the show going. It's just so important.

[13:45] Joshua Broadbent: I get look I'm very important.

[13:49] Kelly Plank: No. Um so I guess we should kind of talk about the difference between swings and covers because they are very different.

[13:57] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. So it's sort of that thing of a cover or an understudy will typically cover a principal role. Typically.

[14:05] Kelly Plank: Yeah. Um and then the swings come in to cover the ensemble.

[14:09] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. That if they go off or if you know they're getting swung out or whatever.

[14:13] Kelly Plank: Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, it um swings like we had were doing split tracks all over the place. So normally they'd come in to cover person A and then they might have to halfway through also cover person D.

[14:33] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. And they just do it with a smile and honestly I find them fascinating because I stand there and I watch them and I watch them learning it and I'm like because they don't just know one person. Now as you said they know person A, B, C, D, A B E. But maybe they yeah, they do a person A in this one scene and person B in this second scene and then they go to person D for this number because of just how it works.

[14:56] Kelly Plank: Yeah. I'm so fascinated by their brain. Like I my I don't think I could do it.

[15:01] Joshua Broadbent: I yeah no I've had to do it. Not in a performing capacity.

[15:05] Kelly Plank: I thought we're gonna get an exclusive scoop there.

[15:11] Joshua Broadbent: No, I will keep my performing days completely under wraps. Um but no I've had to split tech tracks before on shows just because we have not had the crew to do it. And it's hard. And you rely on the people around you a lot to do it.

[15:28] Kelly Plank: Yes. Which you know which we got to witness first hand.

[15:34] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah the support from the producers, company management, every other department, you know, coming to us going, if you need anything let us know, let us know what we can do to help you. It makes you feel really warm and fuzzy. Like you really enjoy working with people that make you feel like that. That know that they've got your back and I was told about the show call they're like don't worry if you stuff it up. As long as it happens it happens you know don't stress about getting the numbers right don't stress about you know landing everything perfectly because you've literally pulled it together in no time yeah it also helps that we were you know that we're not in previews the show's open and people know what it's meant to look like well that's a thing lighting operator can take a lot of their cues themselves and they did and they really helped me in times of that Kelly there was a moment when I was calling uh that I just went I don't know where we are anymore uh I will pick it up once I know can you please just continue to take the cues that you know yeah and then I flipped to the next page and went oh okay oh yep I can hear it in the music okay cool the next lighting queue we'll be going into is LX 234 or whatever it was and then I picked up from there and continued.

[16:44] Kelly Plank: Yeah I was told after that like people were like that was just amazing because you weren't panicked. You didn't hear panic in my voice and I was very calm and I just went to a point of I just don't know where we are so you just do the cues and I'll pick it up and I'm surprised at myself because usually I would have been like okay I don't know I don't know like that's a stage manager in you you can't you can't be panicked.

[17:12] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah that's because you are the voice that's leading the show.

[17:15] Kelly Plank: Yes. And so you know if you're gonna be hesitant on a GO as soon as the op hears a gh for go they're gonna tap it.

[17:26] Joshua Broadbent: Exactly. All in all it was quite a big week.

[17:28] Kelly Plank: It was um I just want to say Yeah because I don't know if I have actually said it to you because last week was complimentary.

[17:35] Joshua Broadbent: No, I know, I know.

[17:37] Kelly Plank: That was feedback that we got from the first episode. Go on. Um I do want to actually thank you. Like honestly thank you for the Tuesday and the Wednesday.

[17:45] Joshua Broadbent: That's fine.

[17:46] Kelly Plank: Because don't blow it off. Because I I really relied on you and Toby and It was a team effort. I appreciate the both of you. So Toby, if you're listening, thank you very much. And Kelly, thank you.

[17:54] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you very much.

[17:58] Kelly Plank: All good.

[17:58] Joshua Broadbent: It's part of the gig.

[18:00] Kelly Plank: It is part of the gig. Do you know what else is part of the gig?

[18:02] Joshua Broadbent: An interval.

[18:03] Kelly Plank: Interval.

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[18:32] Kelly Plank: Members of the Whispers in the Wings community, this is your Act Two Beginners Call. Your Act Two Beginners Call. Thank you.

[18:39] Joshua Broadbent: So Kelly, how was your interval?

[18:41] Kelly Plank: Oh, amazing. I had time after my reset to go and get a Kit Kat.

[18:47] Joshua Broadbent: Well, you could have helped me because I didn't even get a chance to go to the bathroom.

[18:50] Kelly Plank: So let's get this act two moving, please.

[18:52] Joshua Broadbent: Look, here's a Kit Kat in condolence.

[18:56] Kelly Plank: Thank you very, very much. I appreciate that. Did you half eat this one?

[19:06] Joshua Broadbent: Welcome back to Act Two, where you, our audience, ask us some questions. But not only questions, we would love hot tips. We would love experiences. We want more. Give us more.

[19:18] Kelly Plank: Oh Josh.

[19:20] Joshua Broadbent: Kelly, before we do get in these questions, how can people ask us?

[19:24] Kelly Plank: Okay. So if you want to head to Instagram, you can go to at Whispers in the Wings, or you can email us at Whispers in the Wings podcast at gmail.com. Or you can do as Ethan has done and head to anchor.fm to our Whispers in the Wings page there and leave us a voice message for us to play. All of those links obviously are in the show notes below.

[19:46] Joshua Broadbent: Hang on, hang on. Josh.

[19:47] Kelly Plank: Yes.

[19:47] Joshua Broadbent: Does that mean that we actually have somebody who's left a voice memo message?

[19:51] Kelly Plank: Yes, we do.

[19:53] Joshua Broadbent: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Okay, okay. Should we play it?

[19:56] Kelly Plank: Yes, please.

[19:57] Joshua Broadbent: Okay, let's go.

[19:58] Ethan: Hey gang. I wanted to know from your perspective. Do you prefer when a show goes by the book exactly how it was planned perfectly? Or do you enjoy when things go slightly wrong and it has to be managed throughout the show?

[20:12] Kelly Plank: Ethan! What a brilliant question. Thank you so much.

[20:15] Joshua Broadbent: Yes, thank you, Ethan, for sending in that question. It's a really good question that a lot of stage managers get asked.

[20:22] Kelly Plank: Absolutely. And Josh, have you had a think about this? And what your answer will be.

[20:26] Joshua Broadbent: Yes, I have had a think about this. And do you know what? The reason I do live theatre is because I love it when things go wrong.

[20:35] Kelly Plank: Ooh, okay.

[20:37] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, so I'm gonna go. That's my answer. I want to go into more detail, but I need to know your answer now.

[20:43] Kelly Plank: Okay, so mine's a bit convoluted. Like you, I do live theater because I love flying by the seat of my pants.

[20:52] Joshua Broadbent: Yes.

[20:53] Kelly Plank: Quaking in those boots.

[20:54] Joshua Broadbent: Quaking in those boots.

[20:56] Kelly Plank: However, I think a little part of me, and maybe that's like the most stage manager part of me, wants it to go perfect every time because that's what the producers want. And that's what the audience wants. The show kind of needs to be the same each day. But I love it when things go wrong as well.

[21:17] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah, look, I I'm gonna have to agree with you on that part of going right. Because we go to be professionals and to do our job. And we want to make sure we give the audience the exact same show every single night and do it a hundred percent right. But also the audience never know if something has gone wrong.

[21:33] Kelly Plank: Unless it's like this is true.

[21:36] Joshua Broadbent: This is very true. But also the re yeah, I love it when things go wrong because it's that moment that we truly get to shine and actually show our skills and our ability because we've gotta be quick on our feet, we've gotta jump into action, and most of the time you can't prepare for what's gonna go wrong.

[21:53] Kelly Plank: Well, kind of funny that you say that.

[21:55] Joshua Broadbent: Oh no, what happens?

[21:57] Kelly Plank: So on Phantom, we literally add a contingency book for every single contingency that could go wrong. In saying that, we had things that went wrong that weren't in the contingency book.

[22:10] Joshua Broadbent: See, that's the thing, you can't always plan for it.

[22:12] Kelly Plank: You can't. And yeah, no, you are right that that is when we get to shine and when people don't often uh think of stage management and creativity as two things that go together. When in reality, when things go wrong, that's when we're the most creative.

[22:29] Joshua Broadbent: Yeah. Absolutely. You know, people go to uni, they do costume design, they do lighting design, and then there's always stage management, you know, just a bit to the side, and people like those are the non-creative people, but you have to come up with things in a pinch.

[22:47] Kelly Plank: Ethan, what a great question. Thank you so much. I think Josh and I kind of actually agreed on that one.

[22:53] Joshua Broadbent: I think so.

[22:54] Kelly Plank: Yeah. We have yet to disagree, but there is always time. So on to our next question, Kelly, which comes from Sarah, and her question reads, Do you need to know how to read music to call a show?

[23:07] Joshua Broadbent: I don't think you need to be able to read music.

[23:09] Kelly Plank: Not at all.

[23:10] Joshua Broadbent: Can you read music?

[23:11] Kelly Plank: I can't actually.

[23:12] Joshua Broadbent: Okay.

[23:13] Kelly Plank: I have not learnt that. I'm interested in learning that whether I go and take you know piano lessons or something to learn the basics of it. What I do notice though, when once I'm comfortable with calling a show is that I will start to pick up bits of the score in the music. And I'll go, I'll circle it and I'll go, oh, that's you know, this this trumpet or that's you know a guitar riff or something like that, and like and I start to pick that up.

[23:37] Joshua Broadbent: Absolutely. So how do you normally do you count the beats?

[23:41] Kelly Plank: Yeah, typically count count in four, three, two, one, whatever, whatever. However fast, however fast you know the the music is going, depends on obviously how fast you call.

[23:51] Joshua Broadbent: So and I know for a fact you can read music.

[23:55] Kelly Plank: Yeah, so I can read music. Um, I can read music to a ballet opera standard.

[24:02] Joshua Broadbent: And what does that mean?

[24:04] Kelly Plank: So my understanding, it's probably a UK thing, is that you can basically take a classical piece and call off it straight away.

[24:13] Joshua Broadbent: So sort of like site reading, like you don't need to.

[24:16] Kelly Plank: Kind of, yeah. And so when you're talking about classical compared to more contemporary stuff and music theatre, the time signatures change a lot. So you're able to just pick it up, go, Oh, here's a change, here's a change. I get it, I can read it, I can see it, and I can call it.

[24:35] Joshua Broadbent: Amazing. Thank you so much, Sarah, for that question. We will go into show calling more specifically in a later episode.

[24:42] Kelly Plank: Yes, we will. Because we know that that's something that is so interesting, and that's what a lot of people wanting to get into the industry, especially into musical theatre, is so, you know, curious by. So we will get into that later date.

[24:56] Joshua Broadbent: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Whispers in the Wings. Kelly, goodbye.

[24:56] Kelly Plank: Josh, farewell.

[24:56] Joshua Broadbent: A Vita Zaid.

[24:56] Kelly Plank: So long, farewell.

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