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[0:00] Patrick Oliver Jones: Well, hello and welcome to the fourth and final women's history month episode. Today I'm talking with Tiffany Coyne, co-host and model on the TV game show Let's Make a Deal, hosted by Wayne Brady. She and I talk about the audition process to book the show, the improv classes that she took in order to keep up with Wayne Brady, and how she balances the TV show with her family life.

[0:30] Patrick Oliver Jones: So crazy how life works because I had no idea, like I honestly never thought that I would be doing it 11 years later. Welcome to Why I'll Never Make It, featuring conversations with fellow creatives about the realities of a career in the performing arts. I'm your host, Patrick Oliver Jones, and your support for the ongoing work of this podcast would be greatly appreciated. If you can, please go to donate.winmepodcast.com. There you'll also find special access to members only episodes. Again, go to donate.winmepodcast.com.

[1:19] Patrick Oliver Jones: The history of Let's Make a Deal spans more than 50 years. In the early 1960s, Password was actually the game show of game shows on television. And NBC had tried four different programs to compete with that daytime winner. Then in 1963, Let's Make a Deal aired for the first time, co-created and hosted by Monty Hall. Not only did Let's Make a Deal surpass and outlive Password, but it went on to be at or near the top of the ratings for nearly 10 years. And I found this to be crazy, but the show actually held the world record for the longest wait time in show business history. You see, from the time someone requested a ticket for the 350 seats available for each show, the wait time was two to three years to get in. So needless to say, it was popular with audiences live in the studio as well as on television.

[2:21] Patrick Oliver Jones: And because of the success, the show has had a long and varied broadcast history. It started on NBC, moved over to ABC, and that ended around 1976. It's been in syndication two or three times since then and had reboots in 1980, 1984, and 1990. A primetime edition was launched in 2003 with host Billy Bush, but was actually canceled after three of its five episodes aired, and is the only remount of the show to have not succeeded. Then in 2009, CBS brought the show back, this time hosted by master comedian and improver Wayne Brady. But it was in that first season that Tiffany Coyne joined the show, but she actually wasn't the first model and co-host to be chosen. And Tiffany and I talk a little bit about that audition process and how it was that she came to join the show.

[3:19] Patrick Oliver Jones: Since that first season, Tiffany has only been absent from the show once, and that was during the 2013-14 season when she was on maternity leave with her first child. And in case that last name Coyne sounds familiar to you, two seasons ago I had Chris Coyne, her husband, on the show, talking about his own journey from Vegas, which is where he and I met along with Tiffany, and his transition from singer, actor into sound editor and mixer.

[3:53] Tiffany Coyne: Right?

[3:54] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah.

[3:57] Tiffany Coyne: Silver Sea. It's um like a smaller line. It's kind of like the four seasons of the seas.

[4:02] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right.

[4:03] Tiffany Coyne: But it's awesome because they do a lot of small, um, like it's not the same run, the same itinerary over and over, because it's a small ship, so they go into smaller ports. So we saw like all of the northern Europe, like Baltic Sea, we did the crossing, the east coast of Canada and the States, the Caribbean, like we did all of that within the six months.

[4:27] Patrick Oliver Jones: Wow.

[4:28] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah.

[4:29] Tiffany Coyne: It was quite an experience. Now at this point, you've been with Let's Make a Deal for it's like ten years now.

[4:38] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, well, we're taping season eleven right now.

[4:41] Patrick Oliver Jones: Wow.

[4:41] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, I know. And I yeah, I started, you know, halfway through season one, so almost the entire time.

[4:48] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah. And what was it like going from the dancing world to something that was a little different than choreography every day?

[4:57] Tiffany Coyne: Um, well, they actually wanted me to speak, so I was like, What? You know, as a dancer, you don't have to talk, you just you just move. So I mean, that aspect's totally different. And then um just I mean, I mean, in ways it's very similar, and knowing where I'm going and I have blocking on the show, you know what I mean? So in that way it's the same, and being I guess uh graceful as I show the prizes in that way. But in every other way it's pretty pretty different. Um with especially with Wayne Brady as the host. Because you never know what's going to happen.

[5:39] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, yeah. I mean he's like the big improv guy. So I never know what he's going to say or what he's going to do. So um that was getting used to that and having something to say back to him, you know, instead of being like so did you have to kind of beef up your own improv game?

[5:57] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, because I had you know I had no experience with that. So I took improv classes at the Groundlings um just to help with that, you know, so that I had quick comebacks and I just had something come out of my mouth I guess.

[6:11] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right. And I assume that that helped you be on your feet a little bit more and be ready for whatever comeback was needed.

[6:18] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, for sure. You know, I think for anyone in life, no matter what you do, improv classes can help. There it was fun and I can't do it like I'm not like an improv person at all, but I just think it's helpful, you know, in any way.

[6:31] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, because I took uh Upright Citizens Brigade, which is here in New York, as well as they have uh classes there in Los Angeles. And I I d I went through their four main classes that they had. And yeah, I I I feel like that I I'm pretty good at improv, but at the same time it just enabled me you know a chance to get out of my brain and get out of my own way to just kind of let whatever responses it's it's all about reaction. And you just you see what happens and you react to it as you would, you know, whether it's an absurd situation or whether it's you know grounded in some kind of reality. And it and as you said, I think it's really helpful for any performer to kind of be able to have that that skill.

[7:13] Tiffany Coyne: Oh yeah, for sure. And it took me a little while to realize that I can't really say anything wrong. Like, you know, I was always worried about like screwing up, like, oh my god, I don't want to say something and I would be stupid or you know, look dumb or whatever, you know what I mean, or not be funny, and and I I realized, you know what, it doesn't matter. Even if you do, they can edit it out, or you know, sometimes it just works, even if it is silly and dumb, it just ends up working because you know, it is improv. So it can all turn around and become fun or whatever. So it takes a little while to to you know be comfortable to just say whatever.

[7:58] Tiffany Coyne: And so with the recording, they they do uh I guess go through it live, but then uh on the back end they'll edit out whatever needs to be in order to get it in that hour format.

[8:08] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, depending on the day, sometimes we're over just because we've been having a lot of fun. Like it, you know, we really just mess around a lot on the show. And Wayne and Jonathan, like they're so silly sometimes, and sometimes they say things that you know can't even be on air. So of course that has to be cut out. Um so yeah, yeah, the magic of editing all does that, and it's always nice to have on your side.

[8:35] Patrick Oliver Jones: Oh, yes. As a podcaster, I I know the magic of editing too.

[8:38] Tiffany Coyne: I oh, you don't edit this, do you?

[8:41] Patrick Oliver Jones: No, of course not.

[8:42] Tiffany Coyne: No, I just slap on an intro.

[8:44] Patrick Oliver Jones: Beginning to end.

[8:45] Tiffany Coyne: Exactly, exactly. But um, so I imagine some as you mentioned, some crazy things happen on the show. And is it mostly from Wayne and just kind of the the directions he goes, or is it mostly from the contestants that come on the show?

[9:01] Tiffany Coyne: Um, well, I think I think both. I think a lot some of it's brought on by the contestants, depending on you know, what they say, what they do, what they're wearing. Um, and depending on Wayne's mood, if he wants to be playful with it, you know what I mean? Like you just never know. Like just and random, random things happen. Like I I said the other day, I'm like, I have to stop letting men wear my high heels because there's been more than one time that either Wayne or Jonathan has ended up in my heels, wearing my heels during the show for whatever random reason, you know.

[9:42] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right.

[9:42] Tiffany Coyne: So it's just like so it's so fun like that. And I think it's the only really the only game show that is free and open like that, that you know, something like that will end up happening. It's okay. Like we like it.

[9:57] Patrick Oliver Jones: Fun, yeah. And I think it's one of the few that the contestants really have a big part in in in how the show goes and and and do they kind of dictate the questions that you ask too sometimes, like, hey, show me this, you know, based upon what they're wearing or this or that.

[10:11] Tiffany Coyne: There's there's one every episode that's planned out and they tweet, you know, to get the whole social media thing going. They tweet what to bring, and that one's always worth $500, so more than the others. And then the rest are just random things. It could be depending on their costume. So, you know, your your ice cream, if you have a spoon on you, I'll give you. So it could be something like that that's related to their costume, or it could be something that's just totally random, like change or something like that, a tissue. You know, it's all it's all just kind of random and silly and so is there a guest or maybe maybe a a few guests at this point that really stick out in your brain that like that was one of the craziest moments of the show.

[10:57] Tiffany Coyne: Gosh there's been so many but I do remember one woman that was so uh a lot of people come on and they just want to meet Wayne. That's why they're coming on the show because they're such big fans of his and there was one woman I remember this was like seasons and seasons ago and she was so um you know just like enamored by him and want like she was making him blush and I've never seen that before because she was so kind of infatuated by him and but she was like a beautiful woman and he just didn't even know what to do because she was so kind of not even all over him. I can't even remember what it was but it was just it was just funny and entertaining to me to see someone make him kind of uncomfortable in that way.

[11:44] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right, right because you're right because he's the host he's normally in charge and kind of leads it but when someone catches him off guard.

[11:51] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah but I mean we just have we have kooky crazy people all the time and that's kind of the fun of it and they're dressed up in crazy costumes and you know they're it's it's just the whole energy that's going on there. So it's you never really know what you're gonna get from anyone and people come on too that um they're like I sing and they want to like share that and do that in front of everyone that's watching. So they come on, they sing, they dance. We have people do baton twirling, like all all sorts of stuff. So it's kind of so it's like a game show slash variety hour.

[12:30] Tiffany Coyne: Pretty much. Yeah. Now now for you and in starting out, what was that audition process like to be on the show?

[12:39] Tiffany Coyne: My agent, she was like, you know, I want to send you on this audition. Um it's for a possible game show. And you're like, what? Like in Vegas? That's not really a common thing, you know.

[12:50] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right.

[12:51] Tiffany Coyne: I'm like, okay. And it was one of those things, and I don't know if you ever feel this way, but you're like, okay, but then later, like the audition's coming up, and you're like, oh, I don't want to go to that.

[13:02] Tiffany Coyne: Do you know what I mean? Do you ever feel that way? Oh, okay. So that's how I was feeling. And I think Chris was like, oh, just go, you never know. And I go, and I can't remember what hotel it was supposed to be at, but I get there and there's like no one there. And I'm like, I don't know where it is, I don't know where anyone is. And I call my agent, she's like, let me call and find out. And then she calls me back and she's like, it's actually over at the Tropicana today. Yesterday it was wherever I was. And today it's at the Tropicana. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I have to get to work. I barely have any time. So I ran over there. The at first they just had us model prior. I remember we had to like push something in on a cart and then like reveal it and then model it.

Um, so we had to do that part of it, but then they asked us questions because they did say, you know, we don't want just a model, we want someone that can interact with Wayne and the announcer, Jonathan. So they just kind of asked us questions about ourselves, and I remember like your favorite game show and things like that. Um, and then I was done with my audition and I was heading to Sirens because that's what I was doing at the time. And I remember I was like running out of there because I was kind of late. And um one of the casting directors came running after me and he's like, hey, he's like, don't leave so quickly when you're done with an audition. He's like, we want you to come back tomorrow.

He's like, but can you make your hair look like this? And it was my Zed card. And at the time my hair, I had cut my hair short, and in the picture, my hair was longer and I didn't have bangs. And I'm like, uh, sure, I'll try, you know. So then I did my best, came back the next day. Um kind of the same thing. Um, just more modeling, asking questions, just kind of being silly, whatever. They just wanted to see your personality. But I didn't think, you know, I got excited when I got a call back, and then when I got another call back, and I found out it was down to me and two other girls. Then I was, you know, getting really excited. And and then there was a final audition, and Wayne was there because they wanted, you know, him to meet who it came down to and how we interacted with him.

[15:25] Patrick Oliver Jones: And yeah, and then and how was that initial chemistry? Did it had you met Wayne before at all?

[15:31] Tiffany Coyne: I hadn't, I hadn't uh no, I hadn't met him, but I don't know if you remember my husband, he did um don't forget the lyrics. Chris was on that game show as a contestant and Wayne was the host. Um, and I went to the tapings, you know, that was kind of the closest I'd come, and Chris had obviously met him. Right. Um and then and the interaction, the chemistry obviously went really well in that audition.

[15:56] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, it was good, but I didn't I didn't get it in the beginning. It was down to me and two other girls, and I didn't I I wasn't chosen. Can you believe it?

[16:06] Patrick Oliver Jones: No, no, so someone else got it, and um it just you know, for whatever reason it it didn't work out, and they brought me on halfway through season one. So when you didn't get it that first time, was that was it something that you had kind of put some hopes and expectations on, or or were you able to kind of l let that go?

[16:28] Tiffany Coyne: No, I was real like I was, you know, I was excited and I was I was definitely hoping I would get it and you know it was kind of perfect because we started filming in Vegas. Yeah, it would have uh like it would have been an incredible experience. So I was I was definitely bummed when I didn't get it. Um but yeah, I got the opportunity to go and fill in and it went well and then When did they hand it to you full time?

[16:54] Tiffany Coyne: Um not too long after I filled in um for a couple weeks and then they offered it to me like permanently and we ended up moving the show to LA only for like the last month of taping season one. So they just put me up at the Oakwood and I went back and forth because I was still doing Sirens at TI. So I'd go back and forth. Um I would work, um I would do three days at Sirens, and then I would finish my show and we didn't get done till midnight, you know. The show ended at midnight, and I'd either drive straight from finishing the show at like midnight, or I'd wake up at like four in the morning and drive so I could be there here in LA for the taping the next morning.

[17:43] Patrick Oliver Jones: Oh my gosh.

[17:45] Tiffany Coyne: We'd tape for four days and then I'd finish taping and then I'd drive back and do do it all over again. So it was crazy, but I loved it because it was, you know, such an experience. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in LA. And and we didn't know what was gonna happen first season two, if it was even gonna be picked up. And then I don't know, a couple months later I got a call and they said, We're it's being picked up, we're gonna continue it in LA. So, you know, if you want to do it, you have to move here.

[18:16] Patrick Oliver Jones: Was it a hard decision? Because you knew that you were going to be leaving the basically the dance career behind, or at least maybe for a time, maybe you didn't know, but you knew you were gonna leave that behind. Was that a hard decision at all, especially to pick up your uh you and your husband and move?

[18:31] Tiffany Coyne: I was I was very I didn't feel like I was leaving my dance career, even though I really was. Because you know, LA, there's so much to do in the dance world here too. Um now I thought that I would maybe get into that, and I I actually didn't. Um I wanted to be doing the best I could at Let's Make a Deal. So I did the improv classes, I did hosting classes. I was mainly focusing on that. And I would go take dance classes. And then when I finally was like, okay, maybe I should look into getting a dance agent. Um, then we started talking about getting pregnant and having a baby. And I was like, okay, maybe it's not the right time. And then I just never, you know, I never did because then I then I got to the point where I was like, you know, not like I was even old, but in the dance world, there's these kids that are like 18 and they're doing crazy stuff.

And it's just, you know, I didn't feel like I didn't feel like competing with them, you know, at auditions. I was like, you know what, I think I'm good. I'll just take class and I'll be, you know, fulfilled by just doing that instead of but I do miss I still feel like I'm performing because you know, let's make a deal. It's still a form of performing, but I do miss performing like dance-wise.

[19:52] Patrick Oliver Jones: And do you miss the uh the the stage that that live theatrical feel as well?

[19:58] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, but I uh but I still I feel like that's um I still kind of get that, you know. But yes, I uh like I took a dance class um a month and a half ago, I think, for the first time in forever, since before, you know, I had Carter and he's 18 months and you know, I was pregnant for nine. So I don't even know. It's been years and years since I took a class.

[20:19] Patrick Oliver Jones: So how did that feel?

[20:21] Tiffany Coyne: It was well, I went to like basic, basic hip hop, which hip-hop's not even my thing. But my friend was like, Do you want to go? So I went and it was it was amazing. It was so much fun because I did, I didn't we we did we didn't want to go to a class where we felt a lot of pressure because you know it's LA and I didn't want to go and feel like the person in the back that didn't know what they were doing. So we did we just went to a basic class and it was so fun and the teacher was awesome and feels good, you know.

[20:52] Patrick Oliver Jones: Good. Hey, speaking of, I took a dance class with you once. Do you remember?

[20:56] Tiffany Coyne: Oh my gosh.

[20:58] Patrick Oliver Jones: So yeah, so so back in Vegas, there was um this great, just sweet man who who did a lot of teaching named Angelo, and and so Chris and I had gone to him like I I think a few times, and yeah, and there was one time whenever you came along and there was a a sub that day.

[21:13] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah.

[21:13] Patrick Oliver Jones: But um yeah, I am not the dancer, and I I've I'm I'm sure even after two years or however long it was, you were far superior to anything I ever did in class.

[21:24] Tiffany Coyne: Like basically, I only did well though.

[21:27] Patrick Oliver Jones: Well, I mean, I've been dancing since I was like three, so it's a little different. But you definitely you did well.

[21:33] Tiffany Coyne: Okay, well, your own in class.

[21:35] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, I mean, for for me, taking dance class is more or less so I can kind of figure out how my body needs to move whenever I, you know, whenever I'm called upon to do choreography. So it I I know I'm never going to be the dancer, I'm just going to be someone who's going in the same direction as everyone else and looks good.

[21:54] Tiffany Coyne: You're blending.

[21:56] Patrick Oliver Jones: Exactly.

[21:57] Tiffany Coyne: That's important.

[21:57] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, yeah. As I had mentioned, Jubilee in Las Vegas is where I first met Chris and his wife Tiffany, all three of us having been in the show at various times in our career. Now, Jubilee is one of those old-fashioned rhinestone and feathers with topless girls and singers and spectacular sets and different scenes that don't really go together at all. There's a Samson and Delilah scene, the sinking of the Titanic, going right into you're a grand old flag, along with a giant staircase with hundreds of show girls coming down the steps. It truly is a 90-minute musical spectacular. And from its opening in 1981 until it closed in 2016, it became the longest-running production show in Las Vegas history. But while I was working with Chris in Jubilee in 2006 and 2007, Tiffany was at a show called Sirens at the Treasure Island Hotel and Casino.

[22:58] Tiffany Coyne: And Sirens involves pirate ships and people dancing and jumping from levels and cables and I'll just let Tiffany explain it better.

[23:09] Tiffany Coyne: It was, I mean originally it was a pirate show. So both ships had pirates on it. And then, you know, to appeal to a wider audience, they um put sirens on one ship and we lure the pirates in and end up sinking their ship and then they swim over to our ship and there's sword fights and cable slides and uh mostly the guys the pirates would like flip into the water but we did have a couple girls that did that as well. But yeah it was it was a really fun show just like a free show out front Treasure Island.

[23:44] Patrick Oliver Jones: Let's see let's see Jubilee was their very first Vegas show right yeah Jubilee was the first and then I did a show called Fashionistas.

[23:52] Tiffany Coyne: Oh that's right.

[23:54] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah. Um and it was like you know technical dancing like kind of like hardcore kick your butt really fun. And I did that for a few years and then I went over to Sirens. So I just did the three. And so whenever Let's Make a Deal came along was was it more seen as something in addition to your dance or did you or was it billed as something that would be ongoing and you know I like had no idea it's so it's so crazy how life works because I had no idea like I I honestly never thought that I would be doing it 11 years later. You know. I didn't think that and and I think everyone, like even the first couple years, we never thought it would still be going. Not because we didn't think it was great, we thought it was awesome, but it's really hard to, you know, keep a game show going for that long to be successful, whether it's good or not. You know, it's just so now I plan on being like the next fan of white and doing it when I'm you know 60 years old.

[25:01] Patrick Oliver Jones: And that show is still chugging along.

[25:02] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah. I know, I know. Yeah.

[25:04] Patrick Oliver Jones: And she's like in her 60s, still doing it.

[25:07] Tiffany Coyne: So I'm like, we could just keep going. We'll all just why not rolled with the show.

[25:13] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah. Well, I mean, that the sh the show's success really does have a lot to do with uh with Wayne and Hugh.

[25:19] Tiffany Coyne: And the show has been nominated for daytime Emmys, right?

[25:22] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, it's been nominated many times. We have not, we haven't yet won. But Wayne won. Wayne's been nominated a few times too, and he won um this last year for best host. So that was really exciting. Yeah. And they've won a couple other for, you know, different things. I think like sound and um actually like best um original song, I think it was, because Wayne and Kat is our keyboardist. They just make songs up on the fly, and one of them was nominated and they actually won for that.

[25:56] Tiffany Coyne: Oh wow. So we won a couple, but never for show. So maybe season 11 will be our year. Right, right. Lucky 11. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I would be so happy if it I still, even after 11 years, I still enjoy going and I still love it. Just because every day is different, you never know what's gonna happen. It's fun, the energy is amazing, the contestants are so excited. So I would I would be happy doing that for years and years.

[26:29] Patrick Oliver Jones: Well, I think that's what we all as performers hope to find, you know. I mean, some people like that variety and they like, you know, three months here, three months there, and bouncing around. And believe me, I think that's a lot of us, you know. Even in Vegas, you bounced around from show to show. But when we can find something, it's kind of like the best of both worlds, being able to be creative, be, you know, on stage performing, but also have some stability with it.

[26:55] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, oh for sure. And yeah, it is funny because even shows, even that show Fashionistas I told you about, I like it was so fun and I love doing it, but after doing it night after night after night, like anything, you kind of get bored of it, you know. Um, but I think that's and not to say I'm never like, oh, is it time to go home yet? I do feel that way, but I just I just still really enjoy my job, and I think it is because it's different every day. So that aspect of it's really nice.

[27:29] Patrick Oliver Jones: And that stability has allowed you to plant roots in LA and have a family.

[27:36] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, besides just enjoying doing the show, the schedule is really amazing. We only tape for like five months out of the year. And then I'm pretty much just home being a mom, other than that. That's wonderful. Which, yeah, I mean, I couldn't ask for anything more. It's really really nice.

[27:58] Patrick Oliver Jones: So now you have those seven months to get back into dance to do all to find all that again.

[28:04] Tiffany Coyne: Yes, and I'm going to. That's one of my goals is to take more class and do some stuff for me. And with your kids now, are they starting to be little performers themselves?

[28:17] Tiffany Coyne: Oh my goodness. So we had a really fun episode this year. It was the first time. And it was called Kids Rule the World. So we had kids in the audience, which we've had kids in the audience before, but usually they come down and they play with their parents. So it's like a family that comes down and they play. It's been like Halloween episode or Christmas episode. But this one was even though their parents were sitting in the audience with them, it was just the kids that came down and played. So they just came down by themselves, and they were the contestant, you know, making the deal with Wayne. And so in addition to that, they had all of our children come on and they did one whole act. So from commercial to commercial by themselves without us.

[29:08] Tiffany Coyne: Oh wow. So Scarlett did my job. She modeled. And then Wayne's daughter Miley hosted, and then Jonathan the announcer has two boys, and one of them announced and the other one played the keyboard for Kat. So it was so fun. And Scarlett was like, she said to me after I think just going out there the first time, she's like, um, mommy, I really like being on TV.

[29:36] Patrick Oliver Jones: Oh no.

[29:37] Tiffany Coyne: Oh boy. I know. But she was, I was like, she did so great, and she was so cute. And she was the youngest. The other kids were Miley's 16, and then Jonathan's sons are I think 15 and like 13, somewhere around there. So Scarlett, she's only six years old, so she's definitely the youngest, but she did so great and she was so cute and she loved it. So they stuck around and did the whole show with us.

[30:08] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right.

[30:09] Tiffany Coyne: But that one part she just did by herself and yeah she she was really into it. So yeah Chris and I were like I don't know should we should we get them into it right yeah yeah that's always the dilemma because you you know you want them to enjoy it and not be afraid of it but at the same time they they they need to know what they're in for. But you know at at at six years old just you know I I guess let her have fun with it for now.

[30:33] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah yeah for sure. So yeah we'll see and you know Carter, he's a little cutie. Everyone's like oh he should model but you know what it's like I know parents that have kids that are in the industry as actors or models or whatever. And it it's a lot of work for the parents like driving them around.

[30:49] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah.

[30:54] Patrick Oliver Jones: So you know maybe when I'm off some off time maybe we could do that a little bit but we'll see. Do you ever miss the time in Vegas being back there or is LA surpassed that?

[30:59] Tiffany Coyne: It took me a long time like I don't even know like a few years so that LA felt like home. I missed Vegas a lot for a while because I had such good friends there. And when you're when you're in the industry there dancing or singing or whatever you're doing, I feel like you become very close with those people, you know, because you spend so much time with them and it's just fun being around performers. You know what I mean? So I it was it was hard to leave for that aspect to leave all of my friends and everything. Um now I've been here for what, like 10 years almost. So now I, you know, I have I have those close relationships. And one of my best friends moved here. So that was nice.

[31:52] Patrick Oliver Jones: That always yeah, one of my friends from Sirens moved here and we're really close. So I I don't miss Vegas anymore. But that's not to say I would never I would move back to Vegas because I I really enjoyed living there. And it's just a you know, it's such a small town compared to here, and I kind of enjoy it.

[32:11] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, it really is. I mean, Vegas has this like huge reputation, and everyone knows about the shows and the gambling casinos, the spectacle of it all. But it really is a town that has the one strip, the main strip of everything, and then there's just kind of neighborhoods around it.

[32:27] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, and that's really the whole town.

[32:30] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, yeah. It's easier and you know, it just here it's traffic and you know, it's just a little bit easier life there. So um, you know, if for whatever reason we ever wanted to make a change, we would probably consider Vegas going back there. But yeah, yeah, but I'm not yeah, I think I'm I'm past that. But for a while I missed it for a long time.

[32:54] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah. How about you? Did you miss it when you moved away?

[32:57] Tiffany Coyne: Well, for me, going to Vegas was with one goal in mind was to I had a job to be in Jubilee, and then it was you know, the six-month contract do I sign? Do I re and I I thought, well, it would be nice to have since they offered it to me, I was like, yes, I I will stay on. But I always was looking for the next thing. And so Vegas, uh even whenever I went, felt like a transition. It was okay, I'm just gonna hold here until I figure out my next plan.

[33:25] Patrick Oliver Jones: Oh, yeah.

[33:26] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, yeah. So it was, I mean, I I will say it was one of the least expensive places I've ever lived. Because it because there's housing.

[33:36] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right, right.

[33:37] Tiffany Coyne: Housing was much cheaper than you know, than New York. And it it was in some ways it it was it was cheaper than Orlando as well, which is where I came from. So it if it was and and and you're right, it was just a lot easier to get around, you know. If you're driving down the strip, yeah, that's kind of crazy. But if you're one of the locals, you know how to get around that. And so it was uh for all the lights and technology that's there, there's so much nature and beauty to explore in Vegas, which is what I really liked.

[34:04] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, you could drive like twenty minutes and be on a snowy mountain or in the other direction, the Red Rock Mountains and yeah.

[34:12] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right, yeah.

[34:14] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah. Now last year, last season, I interviewed Chris and and he talked a little about that transition from Vegas to LA. And for you, you know, you had the job coming there and he kind of had to kind of find his own way and what LA was gonna mean to him. And now that he's established as you know, as his own sound editor and he has he has that job. Um is is is there ever any like, you know, who's who's doing what and and and and this and that?

[34:45] Tiffany Coyne: Somehow it just you know, things just work out, whereas sometimes when I'm off, he gets crazy busy. Like he was working non-stop and then things kind of calmed down the week before I started work, which was nice because then he can be with the kids a little bit more. And it's just kind of worked out in a really great way like that. And I love seeing him enjoying something, you know, because he did, he picked up and moved away from Vegas to come here with me. And it's different here trying to work as an actor or a singer. It's just a totally different thing than in Vegas, you know?

[35:28] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah.

[35:28] Tiffany Coyne: So um then him transitioning into the audio, like post audio side of it. Um I don't know. I was just worried about him missing performing. But he he enjoys what he's doing so much. And I think it ties in with singing and acting and just being a lover of like television and movies. So it it's nice to see him doing something that he likes even though it's not being on stage.

[35:57] Patrick Oliver Jones: Right. A lot of times we see, you know, whether it's TV film, whether it's being on stage, we performers see kind of one direction or or or one path for us as far as being creative, being fulfilled in this industry. But you two have shown examples of you may not be dancing anymore, but you're still using those skills and you you gained even more skills of improv. Chris may not be singing and acting anymore, but as you said he's still using that in in an audio capacity to to to make sound better. So I think it's really important that we all realize that paths may diverge but we can still utilize the creativity and artistry that we love so much.

[36:36] Tiffany Coyne: Oh for sure. And you can still like I said I can still go take class and still you know dance in that way and be fulfilled in that way. And Chris as well. He can sing or you know, do whatever like he wrote that EP and things like that, so that we still feel like we're doing it. But yeah, I think I think for both of us, we kind of uh we're lucky to go through it to a path that like we're still somewhat doing what we loved and we were initially doing, but um something that's maybe more sustainable for us that we can continue doing for a longer time, you know what I mean?

[37:17] Patrick Oliver Jones: For most of us, it's gonna be a zigzag pattern of from this job and then maybe something related to it, and then maybe something not related at all.

[37:25] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah.

[37:25] Patrick Oliver Jones: So it's a it's always a back and forth.

[37:28] Tiffany Coyne: Yeah, for sure. Oh, Tiffany, this has been so good to catch up with you. It's been so long since we've uh since we've chatted.

[37:35] Tiffany Coyne: I know it's been so great.

[37:37] Patrick Oliver Jones: Well, thank you for being on the podcast so much.

[37:39] Tiffany Coyne: Thank you. It's very fun.

[37:45] Patrick Oliver Jones: Well, as always, thank you for joining me and Tiffany today. For more information, you can look in the show notes for ways to follow Tiffany and Let's Make a Deal on social media. There's also a link to the Win Me website and ways that you can support and contribute to the ongoing effort in producing this podcast. Join me and Tiffany again for the final five questions coming up in the next episode, where I'll also be doing a feature on the history of female game show hosts on television. Until next time, I'm your host, Patrick Oliver Jones, and this is Why I'll Never Make It.

[38:24] Tiffany Coyne: Do you see yourself getting back into maybe teaching dance or something like that again?

[38:29] Patrick Oliver Jones: Yeah, I don't know if I would go that route. Um Scarlett takes dance, and I go in there and you know, I enjoy just sitting and watching her. I don't know if I'd want to be the teacher dealing with uh with all the kids, but you never know. Maybe maybe in the future I'd want to do that again.