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[0:10] Bryan Plovsky: Hello and happy new year. Welcome to the official Broadwaysted Podcast with our drunk on theater. I'm your host, Bryan Plovsky, and today we've got a little double talk going on. Sometimes you gotta look out for yourself, but with every breath I take, we're gonna employ the buddy system. Everybody's gotta be somewhere. Now, stay with me. It needs work, but you can always count on me to lead you away from the lost and found. All you have to do is wait. Joining us today are the people I'm nothing without, including Kevin, what you don't know about women Jaeger.

[0:40] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, that's true. That was the first thing I understood in what you were saying.

[0:45] Bryan Plovsky: Kimberly, our game master and unofficial babysitter for the hour.

[0:49] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, hi.

[0:50] Bryan Plovsky: And with us today is a guest whose voice you've most likely heard before on his podcast that he hosts, edits, produces, and everything else. Theater People, BroadwayCon, and the new Broadway Backstory. Let's give a Broadwaysted welcome to Friend of the Show.

[1:05] Patrick Hinds: Hi!

[1:06] Bryan Plovsky: Hi! Oh my goodness. Hi, hi, hi. I'm so happy to be here.

[1:11] Kimberly Cooper: We're pleased to have you. You can follow Patrick at Patrick Hinds. You can follow at Theater People, PPL, and at B Way Backstory on Twitter and uh yeah, it's a Twitter for Broadway Backstory. Oh my god, there's so many of you guys. And I've had a drink. I can't remember anything. Uh it's at B Way Backstory, and then on Facebook, uh, it's uh just Broadway Backstory.

[1:30] Bryan Plovsky: Great. Yeah. Um, so let's just let's just get right to it. What are you drinking? What are you drinking?

[1:34] Patrick Hinds: Oh, but before we do that, that was City of Angels.

[1:38] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah, but why?

[1:40] Patrick Hinds: Yeah. Because I feel like we're never gonna really talk about it unless it's survived.

[1:45] Bryan Plovsky: Wait, can I tell you a story that's related to it?

[1:47] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[1:48] Patrick Hinds: So my math musical, City of Angles.

[1:51] Bryan Plovsky: Oh my god, that's a great idea. We should write that for school. Quit our podcasting job to make a million dollars.

[1:57] Patrick Hinds: So, my my kid, this is a true story. My child, who is now two and a half, when she was like maybe a year and a half and was like starting to like form words.

[2:06] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[2:07] Patrick Hinds: She would be like, make no sense. Nothing ever sounded like anything. She'd say dad, dad's kind of. One day, out of the clear blue sky, this is a true story. She said the words Randy Graff.

[2:19] Bryan Plovsky: Just like a straight, like clear as day.

[2:24] Patrick Hinds: She said, Randy Graff.

[2:27] Kevin Jaeger: Randy Graff wasn't to do me, don't say.

[2:28] Patrick Hinds: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got the stairs of like, how does that relate?

[2:32] Bryan Plovsky: I was just trying to understand how a child would know that name.

[2:34] Patrick Hinds: No, I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. And it's not like we talk about Randy Graff in my house all the time. You know? We're gay, but we're not that gay.

[2:42] Kevin Jaeger: I was gonna say you just play your lady's like her fonteen over and over and over again.

[2:47] Patrick Hinds: That's so good. So as you can see, we're drinking, but what are you drinking? What are we drinking?

[2:51] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, we already did that. Sorry.

[2:53] Patrick Hinds: Oh, that's okay. I'm drinking um maker's mark with uh a little bit of ginger.

[2:59] Kimberly Cooper: That's okay. We're all drinking it.

[3:00] Patrick Hinds: Ginger air.

[3:01] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, totally. But what cups do you have, guys?

[3:03] Patrick Hinds: Oh, I'm drinking out of the cat's cup.

[3:09] Kimberly Cooper: I had cakey boots. Song of purple summer.

[3:13] Bryan Plovsky: Spring awakening.

[3:14] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[3:15] Patrick Hinds: I signed that.

[3:16] Kimberly Cooper: You what?

[3:17] Patrick Hinds: I signed.

[3:17] Kimberly Cooper: I signed it when I said it.

[3:22] Patrick Hinds: Fluent in ASL.

[3:23] Kimberly Cooper: Exactly.

[3:24] Patrick Hinds: And I'm on podcast. This is a slap chop.

[3:27] Kevin Jaeger: What is this?

[3:28] Patrick Hinds: Magic bullet.

[3:29] Kevin Jaeger: No, that's the one where you chop onions by just like pumping.

[3:33] Patrick Hinds: You guys, you know that the tagline for that is you're gonna like my nuts. Do you remember this?

[3:37] Kevin Jaeger: That crazy guy.

[3:41] Patrick Hinds: He got he got arrested for like beating up a hooker.

[3:44] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then yeah, he got arrested for like beating up hooker.

[3:47] Patrick Hinds: The oxy.

[3:48] Kevin Jaeger: No, he died of a heart attack on a plane.

[3:50] Patrick Hinds: Oh, don't do infomercials, guys.

[3:52] Kevin Jaeger: But he was like slap eating like like um walnuts. He's like, you're gonna like my nuts, and that was like the the meme or the gif or whatever the kid's like.

[4:00] Patrick Hinds: He has a crazy name. I know both. His name is He's also the Sham Wow guy.

[4:05] Kevin Jaeger: Sham Wow, that's what it was.

[4:06] Patrick Hinds: His name is Wait, he died?

[4:08] Kevin Jaeger: No, no, no.

[4:08] Patrick Hinds: He was the one that like he Oh, but he took over for the guy who died from the oxygen.

[4:13] Kevin Jaeger: The OxyClean guy died.

[4:14] Patrick Hinds: Did he take over for OxyClean?

[4:15] Bryan Plovsky: This is like a third, this is an investigation you guys say. We're doing a infomercial backstory right now.

[4:22] Patrick Hinds: This is now the mystery show. So Billy Mays was the oxycle guy who died of a heart attack on a plane.

[4:28] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[4:28] Patrick Hinds: Uh huh. And this guy's name is.

[4:31] Kevin Jaeger: I love that you can see his picture. You can see everything about him, but they won't tell you his name.

[4:35] Patrick Hinds: Vince Shlomey?

[4:37] Kevin Jaeger: Is that right?

[4:37] Patrick Hinds: Shlome.

[4:40] Kevin Jaeger: But is Google telling you that? Because it's true then.

[4:43] Patrick Hinds: Offer Schlami?

[4:44] Kevin Jaeger: Hold on.

[4:44] Patrick Hinds: Shamwow guy.

[4:45] Kevin Jaeger: Tommy Shlami?

[4:46] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, are we just saying weird things now?

[4:48] Kevin Jaeger: Shlumishama.

[4:49] Patrick Hinds: No, no, no. You know Tommy Shlami directed the West Bang.

[4:52] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[4:52] Patrick Hinds: Okay. And a ton of most of uh Sorkin's.

[4:55] Kevin Jaeger: Offer Show me.

[4:56] Patrick Hinds: Oh, yeah. Offer Schlump. Better known as Vince Offer, Vince Shlome, the Sham Wow guy, is an Israeli American director, writer, comedian, and infomercial pitchman.

[5:05] Bryan Plovsky: So let's start with what have you seen this week?

[5:05] Kevin Jaeger: What have you seen this week?

[5:10] Patrick Hinds: What have you seen this week?

[5:12] Bryan Plovsky: This week. Um, Patrick, let's start with you. What have you seen lately?

[5:16] Patrick Hinds: I th the last thing I saw was Dear Evan Hansen.

[5:19] Kevin Jaeger: Here it was terrible.

[5:20] Patrick Hinds: Oh my god, why?

[5:21] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, how did that even get a transfer?

[5:24] Patrick Hinds: It is it's funny because I uh interviewed Michael Park. Uh and so we were talking about, we talked a lot about Michael Park's performance, but we were talking a lot about Ben Platt's performance as well.

[5:34] Kevin Jaeger: And you know, you were you were saying to me earlier that you were sitting in the front row.

[5:36] Patrick Hinds: I was sitting in the third row, and you can see that boy is leaking out of every orifice of his face. I needed a American psycho poncho.

[5:43] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god. First of all, wait, can we talk about American Psycho for the next four hours? Because I love I love that show so much.

[5:49] Patrick Hinds: Oh, you can talk to Kevin.

[5:50] Kevin Jaeger: I loved it.

[5:51] Patrick Hinds: Kimberly and I were not.

[5:52] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god, I thought it was perfect.

[5:54] Patrick Hinds: One of our first episodes, we talked about how I thought it was brilliant. Brilliant. And I thought everyone else would agree. I talked to them and they're like, we don't like it.

[6:00] Bryan Plovsky: When did you see it during the run?

[6:01] Patrick Hinds: I saw it like ten times. No, I'm just kidding. I saw it twice. I saw it uh during previews and then like a I mean it ran for like a week or something. So I saw it like I saw it in its first and fifth and final performance. Uh no, I'm joking, but I saw it like in previews and then like a week later.

[6:17] Kevin Jaeger: Because Kimberly and I saw it towards the end of the run.

[6:20] Patrick Hinds: Oh, it's like the following week.

[6:21] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[6:21] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, yeah.

[6:22] Kevin Jaeger: So we saw that Friday.

[6:23] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[6:24] Kevin Jaeger: You saw it on Monday.

[6:25] Patrick Hinds: Um, but what was it? It's like a difference between a Matt and A and an evening.

[6:29] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah.

[6:29] Patrick Hinds: You and I would have morning.

[6:31] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[6:31] Patrick Hinds: Well, we've heard a lot of different opinions based on when you saw it.

[6:35] Kevin Jaeger: Oh.

[6:36] Patrick Hinds: During the run. Because apparently when Kevin saw it, it was a lot more serious and more focused on the.

[6:42] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, wait, I thought you said it was more campy when you saw it.

[6:44] Patrick Hinds: No, no, no. It was more campy when we saw it.

[6:47] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I I agree that I think it needs to be can't here's the thing. I love the book, even though I think Brett Easton Ellis is an idiot. And I loved the movie. Uh-huh. Even though Christian Bale is an idiot. Right. And I loved the show. Like I loved the show so much. My my fear with the show is that it was it was not gonna get the tone. Like tone is such a dumb, heady word. Nailed tone. It nailed it so hard. And like Ben Walker doing that weird elephant man stuff. Alice Ripley and the ensemble, like mopping up blood. She was like ensemble girl number five in the back left corner. I was living for that. And then like Jen Damiano. Like just I just I just loved it. I just loved it.

[7:26] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god.

[7:28] Patrick Hinds: And Helena, I think is how we've described it.

[7:30] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, Helena York.

[7:31] Patrick Hinds: Helena York. Who is perfect in two shows and not nominated for either one? She was uh Bullets over Broadway.

[7:37] Kevin Jaeger: I saw Bullets.

[7:38] Patrick Hinds: She was perfect. Helena York was just so incredible in American Psycho. Uh-huh. Um and I I just thought American Psycho was like, you know what? I was it was it was actually kind of scary. Like I actually like that opening.

[7:52] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, the opening was incredible.

[7:53] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, totally. The first 30 seconds were perfect.

[7:55] Kevin Jaeger: Totally.

[7:56] Patrick Hinds: And then Kim and I were like, and then they had jello on their face. And I was confused. Do you remember the part where like they were doing the Christmas party scene and they had like the two turntables on either and you see chorus girl Alice Ripley like holding a candle opera? And then she was like on her knees, wiping the floor. Like, this is Alice Ripley! Like it was just crazy. The whole show was insane, and I just loved every second of it. I was really hoping at the end they would be like, and Alice Ripley did it. Like she was a uh believable. I got to interview Alice Ripley. That's like the M. Night Shyamalan like twist at the end.

[8:29] Kevin Jaeger: Totally.

[8:29] Patrick Hinds: It was the Alice Ripley the whole time. I went so I went to I have to admit that before that I wasn't really like an Alice Ripley fan. I didn't really know much. I had seen Next to Normal, I had seen Rocky Horror, but like I wasn't like of the converted. I am so converted now. But I went to I went to interview her in her dressing room.

[8:47] Kevin Jaeger: She won for Next to Normal, yes.

[8:48] Patrick Hinds: Uh she did, yeah. Oh, and she's literally the world's most insane acceptance speech. You know, when you make a speech that you've been giving to the mirror, and like in the mirror, you are you know the audience. And it's like the audience is on their feet and they're cheering. And she made that speech and it was crickets. It was crazy.

[9:05] Kevin Jaeger: So good.

[9:06] Patrick Hinds: It was so good. Well, that was what all the voters were like, she acting.

[9:10] Kevin Jaeger: Right, totally.

[9:11] Patrick Hinds: So I didn't know anything about I had done my research, but I didn't like, I don't have like a relationship to her work. Yeah. And I went and I was waiting outside the state door, and I'd interviewed Jen Damiano like the week before. So Jen was like, Jen came up and was like, Hi, what are you doing? I'm like, Oh, I'm interviewing Alice Ripley. She's like, Why do you look terrified? I'm like, because I am terrified. And then you were next to normal with her, you know.

[9:32] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, exactly.

[9:32] Patrick Hinds: Girls, I'm not about to tell you. And Alice Ripley showed up. She was like, I was waiting for the press person, and the press person wasn't there. And I see her walking to the stage door. We're already running late, and I knew we only had her for like 25 minutes. And I was like, Hi, Alice. And she's like, hi. I was like, I'm here for the podcast interview. She goes, I just bought you a club soda. And she handed me a can of club soda. She's like, I thought you might get thirsty. And we go up to her dressing room, and she's wearing um, she's wearing like wraparound sunglasses.

[10:03] Kevin Jaeger: Of course she is.

[10:04] Patrick Hinds: Not for any reason, just because it's bright in there. And I'm sitting across from her, and I'm holding my little, like my little handheld microphone, and it's literally shaking. And like my little, I forgot the the thing, like the the the puff, the the wind screen?

[10:19] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah.

[10:20] Patrick Hinds: So I had had a sock, like a sock, I like taking a sock. Oh my god, this is so horrifying. And it was like going back to me and then pointing it to her, and then back to me and put and I pointed it to her, and the sock flew off and hit her in the face. At which point I thought I was in for a literal beating. And she she literally goes, Are you nervous? And I went, Yes, Alice Ripley, I'm really nervous. She didn't rip Lee you apart.

[10:43] Kevin Jaeger: She did not.

[10:44] Patrick Hinds: And she was like, Do we need to stand up and like shake it out? I was like, can we? And we stood up and shook it out, shook it out. Yeah, it was an intense, it was intense. She was very nice. Sorry, that was a really long story.

[10:54] Kimberly Cooper: No, that was amazing. I love every second of that. Um, so so we saw two things this week as a group.

[11:00] Bryan Plovsky: What'd you see?

[11:01] Kevin Jaeger: We saw we went to LaGuardia, the fame high school, fame high, and sure dead. And we saw Le Miz, their production of Le Miz.

[11:07] Patrick Hinds: Oh, I have the It's in my purse. Red the song in Everymore for the Name. That's my favorite song in the whole show. I love that song. And it's a song I always forget that's in that show, but always is the song that I'm singing after the show.

[11:21] Kimberly Cooper: Exactly. Whereas I like go to the show and forget Ephanine exists until she comes onto the stage.

[11:26] Kevin Jaeger: Cecilia Keenan Bulger.

[11:29] Patrick Hinds: How dare you?

[11:30] Kevin Jaeger: I'm like watching the show, and then Epanine comes in and I'm like, oh yeah, that's the show with this song.

[11:34] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, yeah.

[11:34] Kevin Jaeger: That's so funny because it like I'm older than you guys, and so like I remember when I was like in theater camp when I was in high school, that was like Epanine's song was like, it was it was like the it was like the meme in wrench, or like the whatever the big girl thing is now. It was like side man.

[11:50] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, totally, totally, exactly.

[11:52] Kevin Jaeger: Or like Ella Woods and Legally Blind, you know, like that was the role you wanted because it was like all the drama in one song.

[11:58] Patrick Hinds: Do you remember when Joey sang it on Dawson's Creek?

[12:01] Kevin Jaeger: No.

[12:02] Patrick Hinds: No, no one's on my own.

[12:05] Kevin Jaeger: On my own and creek.

[12:07] Patrick Hinds: She sang it for real. It was on an episode, yeah. And like Katie Holmes characters.

[12:13] Kevin Jaeger: Clearly, not enough.

[12:14] Patrick Hinds: Wow. It's it's uh it's an episode for sure.

[12:17] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god.

[12:18] Patrick Hinds: It really does. Anyway, the Tenardier was hilarious.

[12:23] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[12:24] Patrick Hinds: And I believe Kevin has his bio in front of him.

[12:26] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[12:27] Patrick Hinds: Because Oh, I love a good, like not professional bio.

[12:31] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah. Well, first of all, a lot of them were professional bios, because for instance, Gavrache has been on Broadway, so her bio was her bio.

[12:39] Patrick Hinds: Exactly.

[12:40] Kevin Jaeger: And what's Broadway, impressionism? Do you know who the first girl to ever play Gavrache was?

[12:45] Patrick Hinds: Tell me.

[12:46] Kevin Jaeger: Are there any guesses?

[12:47] Patrick Hinds: I don't know.

[12:48] Kevin Jaeger: The first girl in the show.

[12:50] Patrick Hinds: That's a good guess.

[12:52] Kevin Jaeger: Brittany Spears.

[12:53] Patrick Hinds: Daisy Egan.

[12:54] Kevin Jaeger: Daisy Egan was the first girl to ever play Gavroche. On the Broadway Backstory, she talks about how she was in the Miz.

[13:01] Patrick Hinds: That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[13:02] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, cool. Yeah. Wait, she was Gavroche, not Cosette.

[13:04] Patrick Hinds: She was no, she wasn't. She was they let her go on one night because all the boys were sick.

[13:09] Kevin Jaeger: So she's tired.

[13:10] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, it was interesting because.

[13:11] Kevin Jaeger: And he's way more fun.

[13:12] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, okay. Then he dies.

[13:14] Kevin Jaeger: I know.

[13:14] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, yeah.

[13:14] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, he matters.

[13:15] Patrick Hinds: Oh, yeah. So before Kevin reads that, we saw the school version. Uh-huh. So it's an hour.

[13:23] Kevin Jaeger: It's a lot shorter.

[13:24] Patrick Hinds: Like every solo has something.

[13:28] Kevin Jaeger: Really?

[13:28] Patrick Hinds: Because you're not as engaged with the character stories. So it's really almost like a cabaret.

[13:35] Kevin Jaeger: Plot song.

[13:36] Patrick Hinds: Could it be that they're high school kids?

[13:37] Kevin Jaeger: No.

[13:38] Patrick Hinds: I mean yeah. It's also, it was so nice to see did you guys do it? And not like we're giving them a bad thing. But first of all, the Valjean was amazing. But did you guys feel like a little like, oh good? The scene changes were a little long, and there were some like awkward mannerisms that I'm just like, oh good. Even like fame high school had all these problems.

[14:02] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. It was just like the same high school.

[14:05] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah.

[14:05] Patrick Hinds: I definitely felt that. Like going to a school that, like, when we did lame like Little Shop of Horrors, like the entire budget was the plant.

[14:11] Patrick Hinds: So we were like, um, we're all gonna just figure out what to do with the rest, because that's what we just paid for. So, like, to see it for me to come to a show like that, I was like, it was very like heartening to know. It was like we didn't enter the weds, and I bought my own Rapunzel wig because they literally bought me yarn, and I was like, I'm gonna go get my own.

[14:32] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah.

[14:32] Patrick Hinds: But it was good to know that even if we had had like the budget and like the fame highness of their school, we still would have fallen down the stairs. And like things like that.

[14:41] Kevin Jaeger: So Kev, read this bio.

[14:42] Bryan Plovsky: Yes, too. I lived for this bio that the starting kid, uh, Aaron Greenberg shout out. It says Aaron Greenberg is a senior drama major and is also a dashing young Jew from Queens. He enjoys Ramen, pretending he's Patty Lapone, and listening to FDR's old fireside chats on the Library of Congress website. Some of his past roles include General Arvine and Guys and Dolls, Caldwell be Cladwell and You're in Town, and Frosty the Snowman and PS 78's third annual fifth graders Christmas jam.

[15:13] Patrick Hinds: Consider him booked on theater people.

[15:14] Kevin Jaeger: We're getting the school.

[15:15] Patrick Hinds: We're getting the whole school.

[15:16] Kevin Jaeger: It's not even.

[15:17] Patrick Hinds: Wait, wait. He hopes we're not done yet?

[15:19] Kevin Jaeger: He hosts Mr. Shiftman and the whole casting career know that he's loved working on Lay Ms more than Gwyneth Powcher loves attention.

[15:26] Patrick Hinds: I also love a good like Gwyneth jab from like two years ago.

[15:33] Kevin Jaeger: Like totally like, let's jab, like, let's give that jab.

[15:37] Patrick Hinds: You know his mom has been talking about Gwyneth and how much he can't stand goo for years. Like he just like shakes his head and sliding doors over and over again.

[15:47] Bryan Plovsky: Like to him, it's a black and white movie.

[15:49] Patrick Hinds: I have no idea what it's sliding.

[15:50] Kevin Jaeger: I love sliding.

[15:51] Patrick Hinds: I did too. It's also called if then it's a good thing. Interviewed Twinkit like yesterday, two days ago.

[15:55] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[15:55] Patrick Hinds: He's a Pull Literature Prize winner. I realized when I was sitting there that I had never met a Pullitchia Prize winner before.

[16:00] Bryan Plovsky: Lynn.

[16:02] Patrick Hinds: Uh, that's true.

[16:03] Bryan Plovsky: But pre-winning, you met him.

[16:05] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[16:05] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[16:06] Patrick Hinds: Like, and and we, my husband looked this up when we were on a car trip the other day. Uh, Next Remul did not win the Tony Award that year.

[16:13] Bryan Plovsky: It did not work best musical.

[16:14] Patrick Hinds: No, um, what do you call it? One.

[16:15] Kevin Jaeger: It was Billy Elliott.

[16:17] Patrick Hinds: I think Duncan Sheik is a genius.

[16:18] Kevin Jaeger: Did Duncan Sheik does that?

[16:20] Patrick Hinds: No, but he didn't know. American Psycho and Spring Awakening.

[16:23] Kevin Jaeger: British transport.

[16:24] Patrick Hinds: I think Duncan Sheik is such a I mean, Spring Awakening, Spring Awakening is like, I think, I think Spring Awakening and American Psycho are both genius. I think they're genius.

[16:35] Kevin Jaeger: But I find it was Steven Seder's lyrics that drew me more into Spring Awakening because it was poetry.

[16:44] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, but I think the whole thing about the music of Spring Awakening was the finding the dichotomy of the modern music and the and the period text. And Duncan, I talked to Duncan the other day.

[16:55] Kevin Jaeger: I talked to Duncan, my friend Duncan.

[16:57] Patrick Hinds: They also have coffee.

[16:58] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god, can you imagine?

[17:01] Patrick Hinds: So weirdly.

[17:01] Kevin Jaeger: Tim Duncan of the San Antonio Spurs.

[17:03] Patrick Hinds: Exactly.

[17:03] Kevin Jaeger: Duncan Donuts is more like it.

[17:05] Patrick Hinds: He Duncan Sheik follows me on Twitter, and I was like, I needed him for our Spring Awakening episode of Broadway Backstory. And I was like, I'm just gonna send him a direct message. Sorry, I just got really excited about it.

[17:15] Kevin Jaeger: When you're listening to this, hopefully you've downloaded both of our podcasts.

[17:18] Patrick Hinds: I have, for the record, this is the past talking to you. I have not done a minute's worth of work on that episode. So we'll see.

[17:25] Kevin Jaeger: If you need to talk to someone who saw it five times when they were 18, yeah.

[17:29] Patrick Hinds: So Duncan was saying, so I like messaged him, I was like, hey, I'm doing this thing on Spring Awakening. I'd love to talk to you. He's like, Great, call me at four at this number. I screamed my face off and then just called Duncan Sheek's cell phone, and we had a conversation that I used to crazy.

[17:42] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, it was insane.

[17:43] Patrick Hinds: But he was saying that they toyed with a bunch of different um musical styles. And they were saying that, like at first they tried to write it in the musical style of the time, and it just sounded awful because Duncan was like, that's not the kind of music that I write.

[17:54] Kevin Jaeger: Then he was like, we were trying to write it as like a 50s, like a 1950s sort of piece.

[17:59] Patrick Hinds: And he's like, that didn't sound authentic. And Duncan was like, I just wanted to write the music that I write and have it go with like the rest of the uh with the rest of it. And I think the dichotomy of it is so perfect.

[18:09] Kevin Jaeger: Exactly.

[18:12] Patrick Hinds: Yeah. Totally Carmen Cusack. You know the song Totally Carmen.

[18:17] Kevin Jaeger: Um that amazing song, Totally Carmen Cusack.

[18:24] Patrick Hinds: I hated the show the first time I saw it, and then I downloaded the album because I was kind of in that thing of like, this doesn't work. I don't get it. A little older.

[18:30] Kevin Jaeger: Because I was 18 when I saw it first time.

[18:34] Patrick Hinds: Well, I'm like a I know.

[18:35] Kevin Jaeger: That should hurt, but it doesn't.

[18:36] Patrick Hinds: I'm just gonna go.

[18:36] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, you establish that you're older than I am younger than Paul.

[18:41] Patrick Hinds: I wish I was cool enough that it like that I was upset about it, but I'm just so old, it doesn't matter.

[18:45] Kevin Jaeger: Can you pass the ginger all cabinet?

[18:46] Patrick Hinds: Actually, I'll just take it with like just straight.

[18:48] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, great. Can I just take a quick, a quick break and talk about how much I love Laura Osnus and what she has meant to my podcast? Like what Laura Altis has done for me personally has been I could literally cry about it.

[19:00] Patrick Hinds: Like Laura Osmus, for literally no reason. So look, I'm a grandpa, right? Like so I started Theater People three years ago, and we so back then, there were literally two podcasts mine and the excellent, excellent ensemblist podcast.

[19:14] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[19:14] Patrick Hinds: Love it. And it was great. I didn't know about it. When we did our research before entering this market, if you will, like the first thing I did, Kimberly and I listened to a couple of your episodes of yours.

[19:23] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, really?

[19:24] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, it was you and the ensemblist. You're the first things that come up on iTunes.

[19:27] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, search theater or Broadway.

[19:29] Patrick Hinds: If you search the Ensemblist, it's like it's Ensemblist Theater People. If you search theater people, theater people on top of her right next to each other.

[19:34] Kevin Jaeger: Behind the curtain comes in.

[19:35] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[19:36] Kevin Jaeger: Well, now it's uh BrawleyCon and Broadway backstory.

[19:41] Patrick Hinds: But so Laura Osnus, so the guy that that like improvised the theme music that we used to play. We don't we don't play it anymore, but we used to have this theme music to theater people.

[19:49] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I remember underneath and Bradley Bean, he just improvises like great music. He was doing Greece at dinner theater with Laura Osness when she was like, Can I take a couple days off and go audition for this reality show?

[20:02] Patrick Hinds: She told us that story.

[20:03] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, I know.

[20:05] Patrick Hinds: Great story. Bradley was doing the thing with with Laura, and Bradley in the beginning was like, Hey, do you guys want me to reach out to Laura Osnus to see if she'll do your podcast? And I was like, She will never do this, but sure.

[20:15] Kevin Jaeger: And so he he emailed her, copied me on the on the email, and she emailed back within a day and was like, sure, I'd love to. And you guys, when when we started theater people, I had not even any idea what I was doing.

[20:26] Patrick Hinds: Like less than no idea. I just like wanted to be in a room with like famous Broadway people. I didn't think anybody would ever listen to it.

[20:32] Kevin Jaeger: And so when Linda We just wanted to get drunk.

[20:34] Patrick Hinds: Exactly.

[20:37] Kevin Jaeger: We need a socially acceptable reason to get drunk is a glass house.

[20:41] Patrick Hinds: And we're like, what if we recorded this?

[20:43] Kevin Jaeger: Exactly. It's a great idea.

[20:44] Patrick Hinds: So then Laura said yes, and and then I was absolutely terrified because I you know she has a very like classical repertoire.

[20:52] Kevin Jaeger: Absolutely.

[20:52] Patrick Hinds: You know, and I'm that's not my thing. I don't know anything about that stuff. I I I still don't claim to know much about musical theater or or anything.

[20:59] Kevin Jaeger: Like I I'm a fan of shows, mostly musicals. A lot I do like a lot of plays, but I'm not like a theater aficionado in any way.

[21:06] Patrick Hinds: And so Laura agreed to do it. I was I I've told this story before, but I was sick to my stomach the day of the of the episode because Because of it, or like you ate something funky.

[21:15] Kevin Jaeger: No, no, no, no, because of it.

[21:16] Patrick Hinds: Because I was so scared to interview her.

[21:19] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know.

[21:19] Patrick Hinds: Good question.

[21:21] Kevin Jaeger: And I had seen her in Cinderella.

[21:22] Patrick Hinds: No, I don't think Cinderella had happened at that point. I had seen her, I don't even know what I had seen her in.

[21:26] Kevin Jaeger: Bonnie and Clyde.

[21:27] Patrick Hinds: Oh, yeah.

[21:28] Kevin Jaeger: Bonnie and Clyde, which I loved so much.

[21:29] Patrick Hinds: I hadn't seen South Pacific. I don't really know it. I hadn't seen Greece. She had done Cinderella, but like that's a whole thing.

[21:35] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, and um, and what was the second foster one?

[21:37] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[21:38] Kevin Jaeger: And so I but I don't know. I didn't like at the time I didn't realize that like I could kind of do a little bit of research and show up and have a conversation.

[21:46] Patrick Hinds: I felt like I had to like no and ask intelligent questions about Oscar and Hammerstein and Oscar Oscar, Oscar.

[21:55] Kevin Jaeger: Oscar the Grouch.

[21:56] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, and the Hammersign ballroom. And it was awful. And I was it was, but then she showed up and it was like a it was snowing outside, and and and I was like, she's never gonna make it.

[22:07] Kevin Jaeger: She got there before we did.

[22:08] Patrick Hinds: She was early. She was like, I left early because it was snow. She was so kind.

[22:13] Kevin Jaeger: She so she was so just like she just could tell how nervous I was, and she just like put me right at ease.

[22:19] Patrick Hinds: And then, like six months later, we were asked to like do a live show, and we did a lot, and I was like, Who am I gonna ask?

[22:24] Kevin Jaeger: Like, who's the biggest person at whose personal email address I have?

[22:26] Patrick Hinds: I was like, Laura Osness, and she said yes, and she came and did it, and she was just like, I mean, she's Laura Osnis, you know, and she like this like lower east side bar in the basement and did this live show, and like people showed up.

[22:38] Kevin Jaeger: And I remember saying to her that night, we are only we were only able to book other big talent because of you, because we had your name.

[22:45] Patrick Hinds: Like, without you, this wouldn't, this wouldn't exist.

[22:48] Kevin Jaeger: She's a friend of the podcast, and she understands the show.

[22:51] Patrick Hinds: Right, and she understands her importance to the show, you know. You know, that like she helped make it possible.

[22:56] Kevin Jaeger: Laura has been so important to our show.

[22:58] Patrick Hinds: She's probably been the most important person we've ever been associated with.

[23:01] Kevin Jaeger: Uh-huh.

[23:02] Patrick Hinds: And she came and did our show this summer, and it was like crazy, and it was so hot, and she got mobbed by people.

[23:08] Kevin Jaeger: Sure.

[23:08] Patrick Hinds: And she was so nice and gracious and like really sweet. And I was just emailing with her today because we're doing a Broadway con thing for our hundredth episode.

[23:16] Kevin Jaeger: We're doing our hundredth episode live at Broadway Con.

[23:18] Patrick Hinds: Oh, that's so exciting.

[23:19] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[23:19] Patrick Hinds: Wait, what day?

[23:20] Kevin Jaeger: What day?

[23:21] Patrick Hinds: Uh it's on Saturday.

[23:23] Kevin Jaeger: Uh no, Sunday.

[23:24] Patrick Hinds: Do you guys have a booth?

[23:25] Kevin Jaeger: Uh we don't, no.

[23:26] Patrick Hinds: Oh, well, you should stop by our booth.

[23:27] Kevin Jaeger: You guys have a booth?

[23:28] Patrick Hinds: We have like a full booth.

[23:29] Kevin Jaeger: What are you gonna have at your booth?

[23:30] Patrick Hinds: Um, swag, um, guests, trivia, as well as um Squiggs is gonna stop by and we're gonna do like um trading cards.

[23:40] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my goodness.

[23:41] Patrick Hinds: The cards in every episode. So we're gonna people can come by and trade cards with me, they can come by and trade cards with Squigs, and then I'll go to Squiggs' booth and we're gonna interview the fans of the show.

[23:50] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, that's so cool.

[23:52] Patrick Hinds: You guys come over.

[23:53] Kevin Jaeger: I will, for sure, of course, of course.

[23:55] Patrick Hinds: Anyway, Laura Osnits has just been like we would not be where we are without her her support.

[24:00] Kevin Jaeger: So cheers to Laura.

[24:01] Patrick Hinds: Cheers to Laura, cheers to Laura.

[24:03] Kevin Jaeger: Laura friend of both shows.

[24:05] Patrick Hinds: Crossover friends of the crossover friends.

[24:07] Kevin Jaeger: Um we also saw in transit.

[24:09] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, we did.

[24:10] Kevin Jaeger: We did.

[24:11] Patrick Hinds: Have you seen it yet?

[24:11] Kimberly Cooper: Yep.

[24:12] Kevin Jaeger: Kimberly, why don't you start?

[24:13] Kimberly Cooper: First of all, I saw it twice. Um, and the first time I saw it, I did not know I was going to see it that day. I got offered a ticket and I was like, sure, let me go.

[24:21] Patrick Hinds: Um, I know Rick Hip Flores, who is the music director.

[24:24] Kimberly Cooper: And I'm full disclosure, like, we were given tickets to see the show.

[24:28] Kevin Jaeger: We don't want to.

[24:29] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, I work with the I work with one of the producers. I know Rick Hit Flores, and I was just like, great, I have a ticket. I'm just gonna go see this.

[24:34] Patrick Hinds: I was just gonna sit on my couch and want net watch Netflix tonight.

[24:39] Kimberly Cooper: And it felt like I was sitting on my couch and watching Netflix.

[24:42] Patrick Hinds: It was just like this cute little rom-com.

[24:44] Kimberly Cooper: It was like um the quote they're using is very accurate. If Love Actually was a musical in New York City, it would be in transit.

[24:52] Patrick Hinds: I had a great time.

[24:53] Kimberly Cooper: Short. I I think there's a lot to like about the show.

[24:56] Patrick Hinds: I think that like Margot Seibert, number one, I think is Margo Seibert is the person who whose time came for her really quickly with Rocky.

[25:05] Kimberly Cooper: You know, she was Adrian Azaki.

[25:06] Patrick Hinds: And she was also in, I'm not gonna think of the name of it, but she was in an off-body musical before that called Some Someone of the Something.

[25:13] Kimberly Cooper: I can't think of what it is, but I'm not sure, but she was also in the Yorks production of the Tomorrow of the River is what I was thinking.

[25:19] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[25:19] Kimberly Cooper: Yes, yes, yes.

[25:19] Patrick Hinds: And she was in Saturday night at musicals in Mafdi at the York, which is a show I had never seen live and went to see that and I loved her.

[25:26] Kimberly Cooper: Her voice is like very deep and her voice is just incredible.

[25:31] Patrick Hinds: I think the performances are great.

[25:32] Kimberly Cooper: I think that's only Mackie.

[25:34] Patrick Hinds: I could watch too much.

[25:35] Kimberly Cooper: And she's amazing all day.

[25:37] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[25:37] Kimberly Cooper: That's what I thought was like the performances were incredible.

[25:40] Patrick Hinds: Like I just the casts had like this like energy that I think really did capture that feeling of like being in New York and being under the subway.

[25:47] Kimberly Cooper: It was very kind of driving.

[25:49] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, and the a cappella aspect of just like they are New York and they are creating the beat and the sound and all of that stuff.

[25:56] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[25:56] Patrick Hinds: I think that the beatbox guy is always the I think Who did you see?

[26:00] Kimberly Cooper: I can't remember his name.

[26:02] Patrick Hinds: Dreads or Bald.

[26:03] Kimberly Cooper: Bald.

[26:03] Patrick Hinds: You saw Chesney.

[26:05] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[26:05] Patrick Hinds: Um why do they alternate?

[26:08] Kimberly Cooper: It's just hard, I guess.

[26:09] Patrick Hinds: Oh, is that what it is?

[26:10] Kimberly Cooper: Okay.

[26:10] Patrick Hinds: So one does six shows, one does two, and I think they've switched who does the six and who does the two.

[26:16] Kimberly Cooper: Oh wow.

[26:17] Patrick Hinds: Um this is the beatboxers.

[26:19] Kimberly Cooper: Yes.

[26:19] Patrick Hinds: And so he's sort of the narrator.

[26:22] Kimberly Cooper: And uh what I came away from the end, because the first time I saw it, I saw Steven, who has dreadlocks, and Chesney is Baldis on the second time.

[26:30] Patrick Hinds: They have this moment at the beginning where they're just like, if you are going from point A to point B, you spend, I think it was like a month of your year on the subway in New York City, which we can all relate to is true.

[26:42] Kimberly Cooper: Um yeah, we get it.

[26:45] Patrick Hinds: We just did that to get here.

[26:46] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[26:47] Patrick Hinds: And so by the end, the first time I saw it, because it was very subtle in the beginning of like, well, when you're there, like, where are you?

[26:56] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[26:57] Patrick Hinds: And then at the end when she's singing, I'm getting there, and I'm just like, wait, is this the end of the show? Why is this ending now?

[26:57] Kimberly Cooper: And I'm just like, oh, she's okay with where she is.

[27:05] Patrick Hinds: And then I was like, oh, great. They all read the power of now.

[27:09] Kimberly Cooper: This is a study on mindfulness.

[27:11] Patrick Hinds: And like being you know, there is a lot of it's not present in the moment, and that's sort of what it was, is it wasn't another which I think a lot of people have to get over.

[27:19] Kimberly Cooper: Is like it's not like this is a full arc of a plot.

[27:23] Patrick Hinds: It's like these are moments in these people's lives.

[27:26] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, it's very vignette.

[27:27] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[27:27] Kimberly Cooper: So before I say anything, we only go in transit.

[27:30] Patrick Hinds: So there's so many reasons to see it.

[27:32] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, they used to set they use this theater well.

[27:35] Patrick Hinds: I love circle in the square.

[27:37] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[27:37] Patrick Hinds: The treadmill is the only good way to say it again.

[27:40] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, yeah.

[27:42] Patrick Hinds: What I was gonna say was that like I was engaged so much within the plot that I had an issue with some of the plot, which was the whole like gay subplot.

[27:51] Kimberly Cooper: I had a hard time with that.

[27:52] Patrick Hinds: I didn't like it.

[27:53] Kimberly Cooper: But I think that what that says is that I was engaged in it, you know.

[27:57] Patrick Hinds: I think that's actually it's a great point because I think it that was one of the things that bothered me when I saw the show was the gay storyline.

[28:03] Kimberly Cooper: But I think what's exciting about that is that that storyline seemed a little dated.

[28:08] Patrick Hinds: Well, for me, it felt sorry, I don't mean to be a good one.

[28:11] Kimberly Cooper: Of course.

[28:16] Patrick Hinds: It felt dated, but it also felt like I want to say that it felt, it didn't feel true, but maybe what I mean is it felt really true, and it hurt me, you know.

[28:26] Patrick Hinds: That like I interesting. You know, I don't know. I don't know which one it is. Kevin's saying that it felt a little dated, and I'm like, well, to New York standards, it felt a little dated that one of them was still closeted to just his family. So in my mind, I was like, well, the internet. Yeah. Well, but it's the whole idea that like I don't you don't get service in the subway, so I understand. My best friend the whole thing takes my well, no, the whole thing does not take best on the subway. My best friend and co-producer of Theater People, Mike Jensen, loved it. Shout out to him. Here's to my oh my god. Here's to Mike Jensen. He loved In Transit so much, and I really liked it, but he like loved it.

And he was I know a lot of people who loved it. Loved it. And so I had a great and listen, I think there is no better show to see than a show that some that some people love and some people don't love. American Psycho. Exactly. Go see that show. This room is fine. What I'm talking about is where I mean that show. I mean, in general, like if there's if there's a show that everyone loves like Dear Evan Hansen, you're never gonna get a ticket. It's probably good. Maybe you won't like it. If there's a show that some people love and some people don't love, you're really gonna have an experience in that show. Absolutely. Like so, for instance, Comet's getting great reviews, but I know people who despise it.

I can't wait to see it. I'm going in January. And I guess when I bought my ticket suit today. What did you buy tickets? Amalie? Oh long. When is that happening? She loves to crack it. It opens April the Monday, the second Monday in April. Wow. Um, so he plans in advance. I have two words for you guys. Philip Assou. The orphanage. The orphanage. Do you want to just cry until you die? Yeah. Do you want to just cry all of the liquid out of your body? Or you know what really spoiler alert. Got me. I didn't know about that. They neither killed me. I no, but what I'm saying is like I've seen the show and I didn't know about it. The very end. My husband just Hamilton. My husband just reminded me of that the other day.

Yesterday in the car when we were driving home from wherever we were going. Yeah or coming from. Whatever. I forgot that that happened. I don't have a I don't have a memory of that. I have a mini story, Hamilton story for you. Give it to me. A gamble story. Did you get engaged and then go see it? No. Sorry, that was me. Yeah, whatever. Oh my goodness. You're the second person I know. That's a gorgeous ring. Thank you. I won the lottery. Did you really? My husband won the lottery one day and I won it the next day. What? It was when there were only like 300 people. Okay, okay. It was before there was like a billion people. Yeah, I was about to call Bulldog. I know, I know, I know. You don't remember that moment happening.

I don't really have a clear memory of it. Yeah. But my husband was saying to me in the car when we were listening to Hamilton the other day, he was like, is that her seeing him? Is that her dying? Well, have you heard that Philippa Soo has a there's I forget where it is, but there's a video of her explaining what and every night it's different. I just did it. I was like, I know one night it's her seeing him. One night it's her seeing the audience and realizing they just told her husband's story. One night it is her seeing all the children in the audience. One night, so every Philippa said that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, do you know what it was at the public during the color? No, no, I think you mean Amali?

Well, the public during previews, the floor would open and a reflection pool came up. And then you would see them seeing each other in the reflection pool. Oh my god. Like Washington Monuments like that. Like the Washington Monument. Yeah. And it was very much them seeing each other in the reflection pool, and the reflection pool was heaven or something of that ilk. Can I tell you a few minutes? And then that was too expensive and they closed it. Yeah, exactly. Um I so when I was talking to her about when I had her on the Theater People podcast, she was saying she was talking about the direction of the show and you know how they would get to that point. They would get to the point of like getting to the like her stepping forward and they would stop.

They just like didn't rehearse that part. They would like do the whole show, then they would stop. Do the whole show, then they would stop. And then she's she said, I could be making this up. I have to go back and re-listen to the episode. But I my memory of her talking about it with me is that who lives who dies who tells your story. So now you're telling the story. Exactly. Exactly. The backstory. Right. The backstory. So she said that one day she expected them like it was just gonna be done, but that they didn't stop. And that Tommy didn't give her any direction. She just they didn't stop. So she just was like, uh, now we're doing my part. And she like just like stepped forward and then like did her piece.

And like everyone just sort of like fell in line around her, and that's how they staged the the awesome I mean to be in that room. You guys, I have to say I thank you, Kimberly. Yeah, sorry. I'm so what started your podcast life? Like, how did Theater People come in? Can you talk about how Theater People came into fruition? Yeah. I mean, you know, I it's funny because I'm not because I am a zillion, I'm not like a tech person. I'm not like a I'm like, ooh, an electric typewriter. That's exciting. Yeah. I don't, I'm not like tech savvy. I'm not like a person who like gets the newest iPhone, but somehow I discovered podcasts, and I loved podcasts. Well, okay, so what happened was a long time ago, like I guess it would have been four years ago or so, I found a podcast.

Isn't it funny how that feels like a long time ago? I know it does. I was married, I guess. You know you live in New York when you gauge your time about what apartment you're in. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was up to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. My Brooklyn days. My grandma once said to me, You're gonna remember your life pre and post Bar Mitzvah. I think of my life like pre and post thin. Oh, I was I think I was thin at that time. Me too. And I was talking to Brian about that the other day, and I was like, Well, that was really thin back then. He goes, You weren't thin, you were just young. I was like, I have to get thin again. I've got a kid. I have to live another 50 years, you guys.

Like, yeah. I have to live another 50 years. I'll just cry. I'll just start sobbing. I was thinking about the part where she says, something about like God gave me what you always wanted. How does it go? The Hamill Cast Girls were killed. He gave me more time. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So I guess like four years ago, I was listening to podcasts back when it was like this American life. Yeah. So there was this amazing podcast called Downstage Center, which I think was at some point was a radio show. It was on Sirius XM Broadway. Yeah. So they they they interviewed all of like all the. That was me and the drink, not and the podcast. Howard Sherman. But it was on Sirius XM Broadway, which my mother was obsessed with.

And yes, he would just do like one show. It was Howard Sherman, and then it was like Howard Sherman and somebody else. And they would they would they interviewed all of the biggest Broadway stars. Yes. And and it was I I loved it, but it was kind of dry. Uh and but I loved it. It didn't matter. It was like, you know, it was because you didn't get to hear those people normally. And so the thing, right? Well, yes, totally. And so what happened was all of a sudden there was no more episodes. And I thought, well, someone's gonna do someone's gonna the someone, it never entered my mind that I would do it. It was like someone who knows how to make radio is gonna continue this podcast. And then, like, I guess three or four months down the road, it didn't happen.

And I thought, like, I'm kind of entrepreneurial, I'm kind of creative. I want to do this. Like, if no one's gonna make this podcast, it should exist. So I'm gonna do it. Um I reached out to this girl that I knew, woman that I knew, her name is Vanya Arslanian, and she's brilliant, and she was like not really a not as much a Broadway theater person, very much a theater person, but not a Broadway theater person. Sure. And she was like, Yeah, let's do it. Her husband was in film, he had some equipment. He was she was like, let's make a podcast. So I don't even know. Like, I don't even know. You know, the next step was I was at a party at my friend Daisy Egan's house, and Katie Huffman was there.

And Katie Hubbard. Is that your first episode, yeah? Yeah. So Katie Huffman won the Tony Award for uh the producer. What show was that? Uh it's a little show, it's just no one's really heard of it. It's just very independent. The Producers is my first Broadway show, and I actually saw it with uh she was still in the cast. With Katie? Yeah, she was she incredible. Incredible. I saw her, I met her at this party, and I was like, hi, I'm about to do a podcast. Will you be on it? She was like, Okay, weirdo, sure. Was she the last uh wasn't she? Didn't she were in Fosse too for a bit? Was she last like today? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So she totally was. And she was in Big Deal, was like her big like the last Fosse show that she did.

Katie Huffman is so incredible. She did Big Deal with Fosse. I don't know if she would say that she was his protege, but she was very close with him. Greatest movie musical may be All That Jazz. I knew you were gonna say that. Yeah. So Katie has this great story about the closing night. I think it was a Big Deal, where they were they did this big musical thing at the end of Act One, and the audience was like on their feet, and the audience literally screamed, one more time. And they went back and did the entire last number. Anyway, so we so we did it, and we didn't have any idea what we were doing. And it sounded awful. Our first ten episodes are like unlistenably bad. And our first ten episodes are like Katie Huffman, Annalie Ashford, Laura Ostis, Michael Urey.

Like these huge deal stars that would just like don't sound good. Anyway, so like that, so that happened, and then we were doing that. We did that for like two years as a hobby. And then I like left a job that I was at, and my husband was like, You need to make this your full-time gig. We took Theater People weekly from biweekly, and for maybe eight or nine months we did that weekly, and we took on a sponsor, which was Today Tix. Kimberly and I love Are you as drunk as me? Yeah, definitely. My name is hard when you're drunk, I think. It's really hard. Kimberly, Kimberly, Kimberly, Kimberly, Kimberly. He even did it in a triple it. You guys are Kimberly. Yeah, Kimberly, Kimberly, Kimberly. I have a great name.

So Kimberly Lily and I saw Puffs, which is the seven years of Harry Potter or Harry and Mr. Potter, because I don't say Harry Potter. Um parody law. Yeah. Would Joe had take a what's the word? I don't know what I'm even saying. Would Joe the the joke was that her name was JJ Rowland, they called her. Joe would probably take a cut, but now she doesn't. But is she upset about it? No, it's so fun. So it's called Puffs or Seven Years at a Magical School of Magic. At a magical school of magic, and all that followed. And it's fantastic. And it I got it got extended till March, but Kimberly and I saw it. It's so good. It's so good. Like if you if you know Harry Potter or not, it is so much fun. It is all sorts of like tongue-in-cheek, inside jokey stuff.

But between like the what is it? Like the third and fourth chapter. They just go, guys, guys. I swear the headmaster looks a little different this year. It's so good. It's so good, but it's just really that good? Yes, it's so much fun. And it takes like it is the same seven years that Harry Potter is there, but it is from the tale of another person who did not know he was a wizard until he went to Hogwarts. His name is Wayne. But his name is Wayne, and he's a Hufflepuff from Arizona. It's so good. Anyway, I made a game based on it. Do I have a whole bunch of people? Well before that. Oh, but but yes. Patrick, yes. Do you know your house? What house are you? You know I don't know if that was your house.

You guys, okay, if it was. I also I also make the Broadway con the podcast. And those people, Mischief Management, do the Leaky Con. Oh, okay. They are very they are very Harry Potter. So, yes, I think, okay, I think that I am Gryffindor. Brave! Sorry, that's what I say. I'm puffed because I can't take Griffin Ball. Because Gryffindor seems like okay, Gryffindor seems like the cool, nice kids. Hufflepuff seems like the kids that think that they're cool, but they're not. Slytherin is like the evil kids that think that they are not evil. Is there another one? Slytherin? No, um Ravenclaw. Sorry, I'm sorry, everybody. Oh, Ravenclaw. Carmen Kuse! Interesting. Really? Or Slytherin and the Rich. Oh, no. No, no, no. Slytherin are like the bad, they're the bad ones.

Yeah, but I'm one of them. You're a Slytherin? Well Did you see how I moved away from you? I did. So I've always considered myself a Hufflepuff. Uh-huh. And my fiancé recently was just like, no, you're Slytherin. And I was like, But he's also enemy of the show. So he might be just trying to mess up. Here's my dark secret, you guys. I fear that I am Slytherin. I think that's what it is. So I think like I grew up being like, no, I'm so nice. I'm a Slytherin when I drink vodka, so I don't do that anymore. No, you can't be Slytherin. No, you're you are Hufflepuff. You are. I have a game. Do you want to play? Yes, let's do it. I want a sorting hat, is what I want. Listen, I was told to make a sorting hat game and it was too hard.

So I made something harder. Welcome to the 2017 Tri Wizard Tournament. As you know, we at Broadwartz have teamed up with Broadwortz. I got you drunk for your show. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No one has ever. I ruined it. We at Broadwatts have teamed up with the Wizards at. Oh, I have uh lights of Broadway cards in the middle that I'm drawing from. With the words of that, allegiance! And falsettos. To bring the tradition of a tri-wizard tournament to the Broadway's most elite wizarding schools. For the past five minutes, students have from each schools have entered their names into the Tri-Wizard Cup for the chance to represent their school in the tournament. I will now draw the names of the three students who will be in this year's competitors.

Student number one is James Monroe Igleheart. I would like that. Thank you. Wait, am I allowed to do that? Yes. Student number two is Alan Cumming. Who would like to play for Alan Cumming? Bryan. Bryan got it. Carrie Butler goes to trade.

[42:34] Patrick Hinds: I'll be the genie.

[42:35] Kevin Jaeger: Great.

[42:35] Patrick Hinds: So you are now playing as these characters that I have given you.

[42:39] Kimberly Cooper: So good.

[42:40] Patrick Hinds: I love it.

[42:43] Patrick Hinds: Wizards, are you ready for round one?

[42:45] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[42:45] Patrick Hinds: I'll read you the rules.

[42:47] Patrick Hinds: For the first round of the tournament, we wizards find ourselves head to head in a battle with a dragon.

[42:53] Patrick Hinds: Um, students will roll the die that is on my phone, because they don't have a real one to draw their order.

[43:01] Patrick Hinds: Um, will you roll the die?

[43:04] Kevin Jaeger: How do I do it?

[43:05] Patrick Hinds: Just hit roll it.

[43:08] Kevin Jaeger: I got a one, you guys.

[43:09] Patrick Hinds: I know that.

[43:10] Kevin Jaeger: Juan.

[43:10] Patrick Hinds: Bryan, you also got one.

[43:12] Patrick Hinds: Kevin, will you roll it?

[43:13] Kevin Jaeger: I will.

[43:14] Patrick Hinds: If you also get one, it is choose.

[43:16] Patrick Hinds: Roll it.

[43:17] Kevin Jaeger: I got a five.

[43:19] Patrick Hinds: Great.

[43:19] Patrick Hinds: So we'll just go.

[43:20] Patrick Hinds: Um, Carrie.

[43:22] Patrick Hinds: Alan.

[43:23] Patrick Hinds: James and James.

[43:25] Patrick Hinds: Carrie Count.

[43:26] Patrick Hinds: Carrie Alan James.

[43:28] Patrick Hinds: Great.

[43:28] Patrick Hinds: Carry out.

[43:29] Kevin Jaeger: That's a great name for a child.

[43:30] Kimberly Cooper: Carrie Alan James.

[43:31] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[43:32] Patrick Hinds: That is actually a great name.

[43:33] Patrick Hinds: For this round, we find our wizards in a head-to-head battle with a dragon.

[43:38] Patrick Hinds: Please draw a card to determine which dragon you will face.

[43:42] Patrick Hinds: The first competitor is Carrie Butler.

[43:45] Patrick Hinds: Will you draw from the actor card?

[43:48] Patrick Hinds: Pile.

[43:49] Patrick Hinds: Who do you have?

[43:50] Patrick Hinds: Of course, Brian Stokes Mitchell.

[43:52] Patrick Hinds: Brian's the baritone Dragon.

[43:53] Patrick Hinds: So your dragon is Brian Stokes Mitchell.

[43:55] Patrick Hinds: He is a slender, almost skeleton-like dragon with crepe-like wings.

[43:59] Kimberly Cooper: Why does nobody ever say that about me?

[44:02] Patrick Hinds: His flames come in short, erratic bursts from both nostrils.

[44:07] Patrick Hinds: You're welcome.

[44:08] Patrick Hinds: Um, I would like you to please describe to me how you would approach this dragon to secure the treasure it is guarding that you need to bring home.

[44:15] Patrick Hinds: And you may draw a card from the show pile to determine which spell you will use to defeat the dragon.

[44:22] Patrick Hinds: Use this card to influence your attack.

[44:24] Patrick Hinds: When you are ready to leave the arena, you must roll the virtual dice to determine the outcome of your challenge.

[44:30] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, this is Harry Potter.

[44:32] Kimberly Cooper: Am I the only one who's been drinking?

[44:34] Bryan Plovsky: I know this is amazing.

[44:35] Patrick Hinds: Are we playing like lights of Broadway Magic?

[44:38] Patrick Hinds: Okay.

[44:38] Patrick Hinds: No, you're playing Dunzons and Shakespeare.

[44:39] Kevin Jaeger: Wait, what do I do?

[44:40] Patrick Hinds: I roll the dice again?

[44:41] Patrick Hinds: No, no, no, no.

[44:42] Patrick Hinds: So you are battling a dragon named Brian Stokes Mitchell.

[44:46] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, I am.

[44:47] Patrick Hinds: Who is a smaller type dragon?

[44:49] Patrick Hinds: For your attack protocol, you've drawn Cinderella.

[44:53] Patrick Hinds: Your goal is to grab a treasure box from underneath the dragon, Brian Stokes Mitchell, using your attack of Cinderella.

[45:01] Kimberly Cooper: Where does Carrie Butler feature into this?

[45:03] Patrick Hinds: You are Carrie Butler.

[45:04] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, okay.

[45:05] Patrick Hinds: So, like you can transform yourself into a pretty ball gown to distract him or something.

[45:08] Kimberly Cooper: No, what I would do is leave my glass slipper with Brian Stokes Mitchell, who obviously would want across the stage, and then I would go, and then I would start the singing songs from dragtime.

[45:21] Patrick Hinds: I don't know what's happening.

[45:22] Patrick Hinds: You may roll the die and I'll read you your fate.

[45:24] Patrick Hinds: You guys, I did nothing, and Carrie Butler died.

[45:26] Kevin Jaeger: So great.

[45:29] Kimberly Cooper: One of our great leading actresses is dead because of me.

[45:32] Patrick Hinds: Roll it.

[45:33] Kevin Jaeger: You got a born.

[45:34] Patrick Hinds: Congratulations.

[45:36] Patrick Hinds: You have survived the bout with dragon Brian Stokes Mitchell and successfully retrieved the treasure.

[45:43] Patrick Hinds: Who was going next?

[45:44] Kimberly Cooper: I'll go next.

[45:45] Bryan Plovsky: Brian, great.

[45:47] Bryan Plovsky: I don't know how you survived, but you did it.

[45:50] Kimberly Cooper: I did it with Brian Stokes Mitchell's bone structure of his face.

[45:54] Kimberly Cooper: Look at this.

[45:54] Kimberly Cooper: It's pretty chiseled.

[45:56] Patrick Hinds: Who's your dragon?

[45:57] Kimberly Cooper: I'll read you their I have the dragon Michael Park.

[46:02] Patrick Hinds: Yes!

[46:04] Kimberly Cooper: Michael Park is a large dragon with a penchant for squashing his foe.

[46:08] Kimberly Cooper: Little to no real fire, but a constant hot, steamy breath creates a deep fog for the arena.

[46:14] Patrick Hinds: I am Alan Cumming.

[46:16] Patrick Hinds: And I am defeating the dragon Michael Park.

[46:19] Kimberly Cooper: All I want to watch is a fight between Michael Park and Alan Cumming.

[46:23] Patrick Hinds: So I win.

[46:24] Patrick Hinds: I pull out a wand.

[46:26] Patrick Hinds: As Michael, as excuse me, as Alan Cumming.

[46:28] Patrick Hinds: And I say, um, Alacompanius.

[46:32] Patrick Hinds: So I use the company spell.

[46:34] Patrick Hinds: And the company spell creates an orchestra of actors who play songs.

[46:40] Patrick Hinds: Mostly Raulis Barcelona.

[46:42] Patrick Hinds: Revival spell.

[46:43] Patrick Hinds: It's a revival spell.

[46:44] Patrick Hinds: So it brings strings.

[46:50] Patrick Hinds: That plays a very dragons.

[46:54] Patrick Hinds: All I know is that Rowlis Barza, Michael Park, and Alan Cumming are fighting for me.

[46:58] Patrick Hinds: At any point that you want to know the outcome, you may roll the die.

[47:01] Patrick Hinds: So the dragon falls asleep because they're playing a sweet, sweet lullaby.

[47:04] Patrick Hinds: Amazing company, and so I go and steal that treasure.

[47:07] Kimberly Cooper: I like that.

[47:07] Patrick Hinds: And now my roll it is a six, a one.

[47:10] Kevin Jaeger: I got a one.

[47:11] Patrick Hinds: You got another one?

[47:12] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[47:12] Patrick Hinds: Congratulations.

[47:13] Patrick Hinds: You have survived the bat with dragon Michael Park and successfully retrieved the treasure.

[47:18] Kevin Jaeger: Gosh, darn it, I'm gonna lose this.

[47:20] Patrick Hinds: All right, Kevin Dragon.

[47:22] Kevin Jaeger: So I'm pulling from the top of this one.

[47:24] Kevin Jaeger: So my dragon.

[47:26] Kevin Jaeger: I'm facing the spicy Cheetah Rivera dragon.

[47:29] Patrick Hinds: Great.

[47:29] Kevin Jaeger: Cheetah Rivera is a small dragon with long wings.

[47:32] Kevin Jaeger: Her true power lays in her fire.

[47:34] Kevin Jaeger: Her immense breath control allows her to breathe a steady stream of fire for upwards of two minutes.

[47:39] Patrick Hinds: That's much words were never spoken.

[47:41] Kevin Jaeger: Did you guys see The Visit?

[47:42] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, I did.

[47:43] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, we've seen this in action.

[47:45] Kevin Jaeger: She was fire breathing.

[47:46] Patrick Hinds: And your spell is a lot of things.

[47:48] Kevin Jaeger: Alright, so I'm gonna defeat the Cheetah Dragon with my Wolf Hall parts one and two spell, which is just to keep going and going and going with the spell until the Cheetah Dragon falls asleep.

[48:01] Patrick Hinds: And will you roll to see how you fare?

[48:04] Kevin Jaeger: I'm rolling it.

[48:05] Kevin Jaeger: It says it's rolling.

[48:06] Kevin Jaeger: I got a three.

[48:08] Patrick Hinds: Congratulations.

[48:09] Patrick Hinds: You survived your first meeting with a dragon.

[48:11] Patrick Hinds: Unfortunately, the treasure chest opened on your way out of the arena and its contents spilled.

[48:18] Patrick Hinds: Please roll again to determine if you are able to retrieve all the contents.

[48:22] Kevin Jaeger: Alright, come on, James.

[48:23] Kevin Jaeger: Just leave China alone.

[48:24] Patrick Hinds: What the one?

[48:25] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, you were able to do that.

[48:27] Patrick Hinds: Okay, I retrieved everything.

[48:28] Patrick Hinds: Wonderful.

[48:28] Patrick Hinds: Are you ready for round two?

[48:29] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[48:30] Patrick Hinds: The Great Hall has been magically turned into a Broadway theater.

[48:33] Patrick Hinds: In this challenge, you must perform a one man or woman show to the whole school.

[48:38] Patrick Hinds: Please draw a show from the cup.

[48:40] Patrick Hinds: So the show pile.

[48:42] Patrick Hinds: And take a minute to prepare your performance.

[48:45] Patrick Hinds: Please describe to me how you would perform that show as a one person ten minute presentation.

[48:50] Patrick Hinds: But please only with a 30 second pitch.

[48:53] Patrick Hinds: Once everyone is done, please roll the die twice to determine how many students voted for your piece to win the coveted Wizarding Theatre Award, the Trelawney.

[49:03] Patrick Hinds: Who wants to go first?

[49:04] Bryan Plovsky: I'll go.

[49:04] Bryan Plovsky: So just a quick pitch on how you would do a one person show.

[49:09] Bryan Plovsky: Hello, I am Alan.

[49:10] Bryan Plovsky: Will come in.

[49:12] Bryan Plovsky: I am Alan Cumming.

[49:14] Bryan Plovsky: And I am doing the one person show of Sideshow.

[49:20] Bryan Plovsky: The one musical that actually really requires more than one phrase.

[49:25] Bryan Plovsky: So imagine.

[49:27] Bryan Plovsky: So imagine.

[49:28] Bryan Plovsky: Imagine a circus tent.

[49:31] Bryan Plovsky: Whether our twins played by one person.

[49:35] Bryan Plovsky: Which is basically how Alice did it.

[49:37] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[49:38] Bryan Plovsky: So imagine Alice in Next to Normal doing Sideshow.

[49:42] Bryan Plovsky: But she, so Alan Cumming, it's it really is a deconstructed version of it where each side of the stage represents the different twin.

[49:53] Bryan Plovsky: And therefore, when you're on one side of the stage, it really brings out that, you know, the ha the left side of Sideshow, and the other side brings out the right side of Sideshow.

[50:02] Bryan Plovsky: So every time it changes, they go from side to side, lighting changes, and all of the candles that are floating above change, and um, and that is how Sideshow the one person show works.

[50:14] Kimberly Cooper: I would maybe see that.

[50:16] Bryan Plovsky: I would totally see that.

[50:18] Bryan Plovsky: Great.

[50:19] Bryan Plovsky: So I have to roll.

[50:21] Patrick Hinds: James, oh right, yes.

[50:22] Bryan Plovsky: I'll roll for um six plus three is nine.

[50:29] Patrick Hinds: Nine.

[50:29] Patrick Hinds: So nine students voted for Bryan to win the Trelawney Award.

[50:35] Patrick Hinds: Got it, because it sounds like doubt.

[50:37] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, I'll go next.

[50:39] Kevin Jaeger: So I have the one I'm James Monroe, I go heart, and I have the um um of Next to Normal.

[50:46] Kevin Jaeger: And so the way that I would make Next to Normal one person show is obviously James will be playing Diana, and every other character in the show will be in her head and not on stage, so she'll be performing the whole show as if she's just talking to a bunch of people who aren't there.

[51:04] Kevin Jaeger: And I think literally he could just do the Alex Ripley track and not do anybody else's stuff, and it would work.

[51:12] Kevin Jaeger: Let's roll the die.

[51:14] Kevin Jaeger: Three plus.

[51:16] Kevin Jaeger: One.

[51:16] Kevin Jaeger: Four people have voted for Kevin to win the Trelawani.

[51:20] Patrick Hinds: So Bryan's beating me.

[51:21] Kevin Jaeger: Yo, Kevin, people hated your show.

[51:23] Kevin Jaeger: People didn't like my show.

[51:24] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[51:24] Patrick Hinds: I.e., Carrie Butler, it is your turn to present your one woman show to the school.

[51:24] Kimberly Cooper: To the school.

[51:32] Kimberly Cooper: Okay, so I have Chicago.

[51:33] Kimberly Cooper: I don't know what's happening.

[51:34] Kimberly Cooper: All I can say is that my one woman Chicago.

[51:37] Kimberly Cooper: My idea of the One Woman Chicago is that I think that most people would say that they would watch Cheetah Rivera like sleep on stage.

[51:44] Kimberly Cooper: So here's my thing.

[51:49] Kimberly Cooper: She walks out to the dun dun dun dun dun, and the music stops cold.

[51:55] Kimberly Cooper: She stands there and closes her eyes for 90 minutes.

[51:58] Kimberly Cooper: And you're watching Cheetah Rivera imagine the show in her brain.

[52:02] Kimberly Cooper: After 90 minutes, she opens her eyes, the audience jumps to their feet, gives her a standing ovation, and that show is over.

[52:11] Kevin Jaeger: That's ridiculous.

[52:12] Patrick Hinds: And let's see, roll one.

[52:14] Kevin Jaeger: Six.

[52:15] Patrick Hinds: Roll two.

[52:16] Kevin Jaeger: Yep.

[52:17] Kevin Jaeger: Five.

[52:18] Patrick Hinds: Eleven people voted for him.

[52:20] Patrick Hinds: Eleven people, and Carrie Butler wins the Broadworth Trelawnies or chocolate chip cookies from the Tri Wizard Cup.

[52:34] Patrick Hinds: She wins.

[52:35] Kimberly Cooper: Oh my goodness.

[52:36] Kimberly Cooper: I love it.

[52:37] Kimberly Cooper: Can I lose right now?

[52:38] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, go for it.

[52:38] Kimberly Cooper: Okay.

[52:39] Patrick Hinds: So that brings us to the end of our episode.

[52:43] Patrick Hinds: But I have like four more hours of things to say.

[52:46] Bryan Plovsky: So let's put quickly one word answers.

[52:49] Patrick Hinds: I'm gonna Okay.

[52:50] Patrick Hinds: Uh-huh.

[52:51] Patrick Hinds: What is number of hours that goes into an episode for you?

[52:55] Patrick Hinds: Of which podcast?

[52:57] Patrick Hinds: A Broadway Backstory.

[52:58] Patrick Hinds: Uh, 60.

[53:00] Patrick Hinds: How many of the interviews for each episode are archived that you've done on Theater People that happen to have or are brand new ones?

[53:07] Patrick Hinds: It varies per episode, but I would say in general, it's like maybe 30 30%.

[53:13] Patrick Hinds: Okay.

[53:14] Patrick Hinds: Up the what?

[53:15] Patrick Hinds: 30% are uh interviews I've already done.

[53:18] Patrick Hinds: Um, what's your favorite musical of all time?

[53:22] Patrick Hinds: Tommy.

[53:23] Patrick Hinds: What is the musical that you saw?

[53:25] Patrick Hinds: Like I need this to be my life.

[53:27] Patrick Hinds: Uh, Catch Me If You Can.

[53:29] Kimberly Cooper: Really?

[53:30] Patrick Hinds: I love that musical so much.

[53:32] Kimberly Cooper: That's a really cool answer.

[53:34] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[53:34] Patrick Hinds: Um, truth and a lie.

[53:39] Patrick Hinds: Uh, I could not possibly be doing what I'm doing without the support of my husband.

[53:47] Kevin Jaeger: Lie.

[53:48] Patrick Hinds: Wait, wait, do I say three?

[53:50] Patrick Hinds: I say three things, and one of them is a lie.

[53:52] Kimberly Cooper: Yes.

[53:52] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[53:53] Patrick Hinds: Okay.

[53:53] Patrick Hinds: Um, Laura Bonanti is my spirit animal.

[53:59] Patrick Hinds: Jerry Mitchell changed my life.

[54:01] Patrick Hinds: Three.

[54:02] Kevin Jaeger: Lie.

[54:02] Patrick Hinds: The lie is Jerry Mitchell changed your life.

[54:04] Kevin Jaeger: Wait, do I have to tell you?

[54:06] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[54:06] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[54:07] Patrick Hinds: Laura Bonanti is not my spirit animal.

[54:09] Patrick Hinds: Who's your spirit animal?

[54:10] Patrick Hinds: K of K.

[54:11] Patrick Hinds: L.

[54:12] Patrick Hinds: S at all.

[54:13] Patrick Hinds: Oh.

[54:13] Patrick Hinds: That's a good one.

[54:14] Patrick Hinds: Uh, that said, Laura Bonanti is very, very special to me.

[54:18] Kimberly Cooper: Cool.

[54:19] Kimberly Cooper: What's yours?

[54:20] Patrick Hinds: Does there's a lie?

[54:22] Patrick Hinds: Yeah.

[54:22] Patrick Hinds: That didn't sound like the words.

[54:25] Kimberly Cooper: Um, let's see.

[54:26] Kimberly Cooper: I've never seen The Producers.

[54:28] Kimberly Cooper: I've been in Bernadette Peters' dressing room, and I've worn Bernadette Peters' shoes.

[54:33] Patrick Hinds: Wait, what was the first one?

[54:35] Kimberly Cooper: I've never seen The Producers.

[54:37] Patrick Hinds: You've never been in her dressing room.

[54:39] Kimberly Cooper: So the lie is that she's never been in the dressing room.

[54:41] Patrick Hinds: You're right.

[54:42] Patrick Hinds: So it's I've seen The Producers.

[54:44] Patrick Hinds: I've been in her dressing room.

[54:46] Patrick Hinds: Kevin.

[54:47] Kevin Jaeger: And I've worn her shoes.

[54:48] Patrick Hinds: Um, you've worn her shoes and you've been in her dressing room.

[54:50] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, that's true.

[54:51] Patrick Hinds: Kevin.

[54:51] Kevin Jaeger: I've never been in a Rogers and Hammerstein show.

[54:54] Patrick Hinds: Um, I did Sweeney Todd my senior year.

[54:58] Patrick Hinds: And I didn't have a beard until I was 30.

[55:03] Patrick Hinds: Beard till 30.

[55:04] Kevin Jaeger: Correct.

[55:06] Patrick Hinds: Mine are.

[55:07] Patrick Hinds: I have no idea.

[55:08] Patrick Hinds: I was once in a production of Full Monty where we actually did the Full Monty with no back gliding on purpose.

[55:13] Patrick Hinds: I grew up 10 minutes away from the Engeman Theater and was involved in their programs.

[55:17] Patrick Hinds: And I have a theater degree from Ithaca College.

[55:20] Kevin Jaeger: Full Monty.

[55:21] Patrick Hinds: It's the second one.

[55:22] Kevin Jaeger: You were totally doing that stage.

[55:23] Patrick Hinds: It's Engeman, that's a lie.

[55:25] Kevin Jaeger: Wait, so you did the full.

[55:26] Kevin Jaeger: So people have seen your Full Monty.

[55:28] Patrick Hinds: Yes.

[55:28] Patrick Hinds: With my fiancé, who still owns the GC.

[55:28] Patrick Hinds: My senior year of college at Ithaca College, we did the Full Monty, and the concept was that they're gonna do the Filmonty.

[55:37] Kevin Jaeger: And you were cool with that?

[55:39] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, I was.

[55:39] Patrick Hinds: I wasn't that was a young theater kid.

[55:42] Patrick Hinds: He was 22.

[55:43] Patrick Hinds: He didn't care.

[55:44] Patrick Hinds: I mean a bag of chocolate cookies.

[55:46] Patrick Hinds: I don't care.

[55:47] Patrick Hinds: So don't forget to follow Patrick on at Patrick Hinds at Theater People PPL and at Broadway Back B Way Backstory.

[55:54] Patrick Hinds: Um, don't forget to check out Theater People on Mondays, Broadway Backstory on Tuesdays, and Broadway Con on Wednesdays, three or four times out of the month.

[56:03] Patrick Hinds: We do the best we can, guys.

[56:04] Patrick Hinds: Yeah, totally.

[56:05] Patrick Hinds: So long farewell, A Vita Zane, adieu, ado, ado to you, to you, and you.

[56:05] Patrick Hinds: And you.

[56:13] Patrick Hinds: But as we end every episode, we raise our glasses and we sing a little bit of Zuduab Bump.

[56:20] Patrick Hinds: Cheers, everyone.

[56:20] Patrick Hinds: Thanks, Patrick.

[56:21] Patrick Hinds: Thanks for coming.

[56:22] Patrick Hinds: That's the end of those magic changes.

[56:26] Kimberly Cooper: I'm like, I don't know that show.

[56:29] Patrick Hinds: I'm gonna use the whole bag of chocolate cookies.

[56:31] Kimberly Cooper: Oh my god.