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[0:01] Drew Gasparini: Hey, everybody. You know what I like to do before the show starts is tell you about the Patreon. But you know what? I'm not going to give you the whole spiel. So just give me your money. Patreon.com slash NWT podcast. Thanks.

[0:19] F. Michael Haynie: So, what's the most helpful way that kind of be a preface to the episode?

[0:24] Andrew Kober: For sure. I think the easiest way to describe it is that the recording we made the other day in What Is The Podcast that I just listened to today and laughed buckets and felt like I was going to cry buckets.

[0:38] F. Michael Haynie: You listened back?

[0:39] Andrew Kober: Yeah. I miss all three of you so much. And I know it seems really egotistical to think that listening to us makes me laugh.

[0:45] F. Michael Haynie: No way. I get it. We're funny as hell.

[0:50] Andrew Kober: But I think what's interesting was I didn't really flag it, but it was the first time we had all talked, all four of us, in our dynamic as four people that we've known each other for more than a decade.

[1:05] F. Michael Haynie: It was the first time since I've been using solely they them pronouns.

[1:10] Andrew Kober: Yeah.

[1:11] F. Michael Haynie: After I kind of started talking about it more publicly, I've had so many incredible young people especially reach out and talk to me about, you know, it's so amazing to hear that someone I followed is going through this situation or, you know, learning this about themselves and having this growth point.

[1:28] Andrew Kober: You know, you're inspiring to me. And the funny thing is I want to be like, I'm a rookie. Like, I might be a grown adult, but like, there's so many people who've been dealing with all of the things from the, you know, horribly negative judgmental things to the really amazing positive, like embracing community things a lot longer than I have.

[1:51] F. Michael Haynie: So, you know, I'm still learning. Like, I didn't suddenly, you know, get a first class ticket to understanding what it's like to be gender non-conforming and gender non-binary and those things. I just kind of felt like there were suddenly new words that applied to me better.

[2:10] Andrew Kober: I said it in a small thing that I wrote on Instagram that was talking about how the color blue didn't exist back in the day. And that like nowhere in the Odyssey, anywhere do they ever reference the color blue. It's not because the ocean wasn't blue or the sky wasn't blue. It's because no one had taken the time to put a name to that color. It was always usually like green or something like that.

[2:34] F. Michael Haynie: And as we're getting better about understanding intricacies and differences, that I think it's an evolution of human language to talk about gender that way.

[2:45] Andrew Kober: And what we all have to understand and have patience for on all sides of this is that vernacular is a growing art. So we're all of this, you know, cerebral conversation that you can get into as much as you want to is we happen to record the most amazing, strange, growing moment for me and three of my best friends in the whole world, which was the first time we'd had a spoken conversation with all three of us since I stopped using the pronouns he, him, his.

[3:20] F. Michael Haynie: So to listen to a really fun conversation and the way you've heard the morons before, the way you've seen them before. And I think listening to people go through a normal conversation during this growing period, you know, maybe I should have at some point in time said like, hey, like we're saying he sometimes and that's cool. I'm not mad, but like also maybe let's use they them.

[3:44] Andrew Kober: But at the same time, I also am still figuring that out. It's pretty important, though, to point out that it was after we recorded this and we all we all know we love each other and the love is like so palpable when we're all hanging out and talking. But because we respect one another, Andrew Kober is the one that brought it to my attention and I'm just so comfortable in our dynamic as it's always been that, you know, I was I was not catching myself, but thank God he told me because this is exactly the kind of information I need to like be more conscious of it.

[4:17] F. Michael Haynie: And and respectful to you and also that entire community. And there's truly nothing more thrilling than hearing your friend say, by the way, I figured a gigantic thing out about myself. And I am more than I ever have been. That's like a beautiful thing. And I always want to be respectful of that. And I'm sorry I missed the mark a couple of times in this episode.

[4:39] Andrew Kober: I mean, I think the thing and I mean, I say this in the best way. That is the greatest thing that a friend can do.

[4:43] F. Michael Haynie: The second you try to figure it out, you will discover how gendered our society is.

[4:52] Andrew Kober: And right now I'm going to give you my favorite one that I've learned. Your brother's children.

[4:58] F. Michael Haynie: You are a what?

[4:59] Andrew Kober: An uncle.

[5:00] F. Michael Haynie: To my brother who just had a child. I am a.

[5:03] Andrew Kober: You got me.

[5:05] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah. Yeah. Right.

[5:07] Andrew Kober: It's so funny. I had to look it up. I had to look up what I was because I didn't know.

[5:12] F. Michael Haynie: What are you?

[5:13] Andrew Kober: Well, the the word that the community, again, people who are far smarter, more researched and linguistics people more than me, have decided that for for a parent's sibling, that the word, though it sounds a little weird because I'm not used to it, is pibbling.

[5:30] F. Michael Haynie: Pibbling?

[5:31] Andrew Kober: Yeah. That's kind of the most adorable word I've ever heard in my entire life.

[5:35] F. Michael Haynie: Right? And it makes sense that you're like, oh, look, these are my aunts and uncles. Instead, you can go. It's my pibbling.

[5:41] Andrew Kober: Yeah. What's up, pibbling?

[5:43] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah. I love pibbling. It's just a great. It's just a great thing because I I never have had to Google what am I supposed to be called?

[5:53] Andrew Kober: Right.

[5:54] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah. I think we're discovering that that gender and gender identity and gender expression and sex and sexuality, they are so many vast, different things. And it's not a scale of like one to ten. Like, oh, am I just like, you know, a good middle of my five or a five point five that that I'm not I'm not quite a man, but not not yet a woman. Or as Brittany would say.

[6:22] Andrew Kober: But instead, no, I was like, no, it's not that it's it's it's something beyond that. It's not looking at it's not looking at like at one end of the spectrum. There is one like the color of white and the other side, there is the color black and then everything else is gray. No, it's that there's no such thing as white and black, that everything is this everything is this nebulous Venn diagram that is many spheres overlapping.

[6:50] F. Michael Haynie: And we're all we're all and I don't blame anyone. We're trying to use language as I mean, from one songwriter to another songwriter. We have always used language to try to describe how we feel, to describe emotions, to describe things that we can't put words to. And so we as a society right now are are struggling with that because we went, no, no, no. We decided a long time ago that there's he and she and that he's can like she's. And recently we've decided that he's can like he's and that she's can like she's. And now we're going, I think I think we're better than that. I think we're we're more evolved than that of thinking about how we discuss and figure ourselves out. And maybe one day it just won't be such a thing.

[7:35] Andrew Kober: I just I want to say thank you, because engaging in this conversation is something that you and I could could and do and will continue to do in private.

[7:46] F. Michael Haynie: Absolutely. To use this platform. And granted, like I'm still really trying to figure out my comfort level about talking about it.

[7:54] Andrew Kober: Yeah. Well, don't don't worry about it being public because nobody listens to this podcast.

[8:00] F. Michael Haynie: So it's basically a private conversation.

[8:04] Andrew Kober: That's good. That's good. That's good to know.

[8:06] F. Michael Haynie: If there's one thing that we can agree on, it's that the greatest word in the dictionary henceforth was pibbling.

[8:16] Andrew Kober: I love that just like made my day.

[8:20] F. Michael Haynie: I really appreciate you coming in and just kind of sharing a little bit and talking to me. I love you very much. And now I hope everybody just sits back and enjoys us being complete nimrods and hanging with our pals.

[8:36] Andrew Kober: Yeah. And anytime you hear someone say he and it references me, just know that they were feeling they and that we've had a conversation about it.

[8:45] F. Michael Haynie: That's right. That's how this works. That's how this works.

[8:49] Andrew Kober: Like you don't get it immediately. You you I mean, if you do. Awesome. Spread the word. Help out. Yeah.

[8:56] F. Michael Haynie: It's it's a process. And even the people that you love are still processing because it's the language that is challenging. Not not loving. Loving is not the hard part.

[9:07] Andrew Kober: Well, the easy part for me always. F. I love you.

[9:11] F. Michael Haynie: I love you.

[9:13] Drew Gasparini: Hello. It's everyone's favorite thing to squish their toes into. Drew Gasparini here with another amazing episode of Now We're Talking. The podcast that never forgets to moisturize. This week's episode. We don't have one guest. We don't have two. We have three. And along with me, the four of us make up a collective of best pals, collaborators, writers and performers. We're a foursome of goons, dummies, dopes, idiots, scoundrels and nerds. Separately, we are Alex Brightman, Andrew Kober, F. Michael Haynie and Drew Gasparini. Together, we are adorably known as the morons.

[9:51] Drew Gasparini: Ladies and gentlemen, they's and them's. Now we're talking with my besties and yours. The morons. Well, hey, I got to say, I saw all of you not too long ago. I got dinner with Alex a couple of months ago. I got lunch with Kober a couple of months ago. I went and saw you in a reading. You're looking all like, when was this? I went and saw you in the reading and you and I had a nice, lovely chat and bite afterwards. And I was in Chicago not too long ago, last month, and I got to see F. You know something? I like all you individually, but I really miss the days when we would all hang out all together. And not that any specific memories come to mind, but sometimes when I'm visiting friends on the Upper West Side and I'm walking in the 80s, those times where Alex lived on 84th and Kober lived on 86th and I lived on 105th and F would take a-

[10:40] F. Michael Haynie: Sleep on a couch.

[10:41] Drew Gasparini: He would take a submarine from whatever country he lived in to hang out with us. I just miss those days so much. They were so pivotal in my time out here in New York. I think about it all the time. Did I misuse the word pivotal?

[10:56] F. Michael Haynie: No, that's good.

[10:57] Drew Gasparini: All right. But it's a joy to see you guys. I hardly get to see all three of you together and I just miss you. That's all I wanted to say.

[11:05] Andrew Kober: Miss you, too. I mean, miss us, too.

[11:08] F. Michael Haynie: I feel very connected to High Life. Is High Life still there? Anyone have a High Life track recently?

[11:12] Andrew Kober: I ordered High Life last night. I had food from High Life last night. Seven out of ten.

[11:17] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, but you can get anything.

[11:20] Andrew Kober: You can get sushi and pasta.

[11:23] F. Michael Haynie: Who doesn't know what it is and that's the best part of High Life is they got the sushi.

[11:27] Andrew Kober: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I get the teriyaki bowl. This is off subject. Do you guys remember when F lived deep in the heart?

[11:37] Andrew Kober: Brooklyn or Queens or whatever. Where'd you live? What was it called? What was the street you lived on? I lived on Halsey Street.

[11:44] Alex Brightman: Halsey Street. 58 stops on the L train.

[11:47] Andrew Kober: 11 stops out in the L train, right?

[11:48] Alex Brightman: 11?

[11:49] Andrew Kober: 10. I was never there. 10 stops. And then F was like, you guys gotta come out here. You guys gotta leave Manhattan. And we're like, no, and then F moved to Manhattan and then Drew and I moved down to Queens.

[12:02] Alex Brightman: All three of you fucked off immediately.

[12:04] Andrew Kober: That's right.

[12:06] Alex Brightman: That wasn't on purpose. I just thought that was super funny. At least I had the good sense to, but you know, I remember I had a hard boundary that I, for me, I wouldn't cross, uh, 14th street, 96 street, 6th or 9th Avenues.

[12:19] Andrew Kober: No, I was the worst.

[12:20] Alex Brightman: Oh, but then I moved to New Jersey. So, you know, I got mine. I got mine.

[12:27] Andrew Kober: Yeah. I remember that. Now F, uh, now F's in Chicago eating deep dish.

[12:30] F. Michael Haynie: Had Portillo's today. Great. Really great.

[12:33] Alex Brightman: What is that?

[12:34] F. Michael Haynie: Portillo's is like hot dogs and they got burgers and it's like a, like a beef sandwich.

[12:39] Andrew Kober: Jesus. How are you going to do your show with that much diarrhea?

[12:42] Alex Brightman: What's a beef sandwich?

[12:44] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah. It propels me across the stage.

[12:46] Andrew Kober: Wow. Just, uh, do we ever tell the story of, uh, of, uh, when you were doing Hunchback and we went to dinner?

[12:51] Alex Brightman: Did F shit in his pants in Hunchback too?

[12:53] F. Michael Haynie: No, no, no. I've never heard this story.

[12:56] Andrew Kober: Can I?

[12:57] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, go for it.

[12:58] Andrew Kober: All right. So, uh, my wife Farrah and I were, we're in Maine where we, where we vacation frequently, her parents live there. We were in Maine while F happened to be doing Hunchback of Notre Dame at the Agunquit Playhouse, playing Quasimodo.

[13:12] F. Michael Haynie: Yes. You don't miss this, right?

[13:14] Andrew Kober: I missed it.

[13:15] Alex Brightman: I missed it too.

[13:16] Andrew Kober: So. But if you were already in Maine, you'd go.

[13:18] F. Michael Haynie: If there was zero pressure or consequence, I would support you.

[13:24] Andrew Kober: That was the only criteria for me. If you already had plans to be in Maine, you would have seen him.

[13:30] F. Michael Haynie: For real. I heard F was amazing in the part, but he didn't.

[13:35] Andrew Kober: Of course. And that's true. That's true. So we, and now F, stop me if I'm, if I'm telling the story wrong, but.

[13:42] F. Michael Haynie: No, you're, you're, you're spot on so far.

[13:44] Andrew Kober: Well, yeah. In that you did a show. He hasn't said anything.

[13:46] Alex Brightman: Hey, wait, the only detail so far is that he was in Maine.

[13:49] Andrew Kober: Exactly. So we took him to, uh, sorry, we took, we took F to a, uh, restaurant called, it's like a very famous lobster shack. It's, it's like Barnacle Billy's.

[14:01] Alex Brightman: I think it might be called.

[14:02] Andrew Kober: Yeah, that sounds right. One of the best lobster shacks in the world. All right. We take F there and we go, we're really selling the lobster. I think we, I think we said that like, you know, dinner's on us. We really want to, this is like the best thing. We can't wait to see the show. And I think it was a between shows dinner. Does that, it was between shows.

[14:18] F. Michael Haynie: That's correct.

[14:20] Andrew Kober: So we ordered like a two pound lobster and some of the garlic bread and corn and whatever, and F ordered. And I'll never forget it.

[14:28] F. Michael Haynie: I know you won't.

[14:29] Andrew Kober: Two hot dogs and a black coffee.

[14:34] Alex Brightman: Now, let me explain. That should come, that should come with a noose. That is the most depressing.

[14:41] F. Michael Haynie: Is that how you remember it?

[14:42] Andrew Kober: Here's the thing. They named the dish after him, after this meal, I believe. But the reason that I did that was because my first day in the Gunkwit Main, I was like, Oh, I got to try these lobster rolls. And I had one and my, um, throat kind of swole up shut. And so I went, Oh, I think I'm allergic to lobster. And then I didn't really, at the time, have the heart to tell my friend who was like, Oh man, we're all the way here to see you. And I was like, I would love to see you between shows in this show. That's absolutely kicking my butt, but I want to spend every second I can with you. So we got to this place and I was like, there'll be something not lobster that I can order. That won't be weird.

[15:15] Alex Brightman: Um, and there wasn't, it was just hot dogs.

[15:18] F. Michael Haynie: Super not weird. We could have gone elsewhere.

[15:20] Andrew Kober: I mean, I know, but you were very excited because you were like, Oh, we always go to this place. And I was like, absolutely. Lobsters are basically the hot dogs of the sea.

[15:27] Alex Brightman: So, but also if they, if they'd come to the show that night and all of a sudden I was like, it probably would have been a bad idea. I don't know for hunchback. I feel like that could have worked.

[15:36] F. Michael Haynie: And, you know, we really respected F's choices and, and, uh, and they did a great show that night. I'll tell you that.

[15:43] Andrew Kober: Uh, but it was, uh, it was a surprising order and it was, it was a thrill to watch it all take place. And then also like, I can't think of anything I would do a worse show on than two hot dogs and a black coffee.

[15:58] Alex Brightman: Yeah. But you don't know.

[15:59] F. Michael Haynie: That's true. F used to do this. I'm not kidding. There's another F story. I love this. We were in a cab one time and he had to go sing somewhere. Then on our way down, you're like, I'm going to stop at McDonald's.

[16:10] Andrew Kober: I was going to bring up, I was going to bring that up.

[16:12] F. Michael Haynie: And I go, how are you? Why are you eating McDonald's? He goes, because it lubes up my vocal cords, which is what scientist told you this?

[16:17] Andrew Kober: Double quarter pounder with cheese and a large fry.

[16:19] F. Michael Haynie: There it is. That was the move. And that was after I'd cut, I'd cut soda. I used to, when, when Brightman and I were doing a show, uh, in, uh, what was the mountain range?

[16:31] Andrew Kober: The Adirondacks.

[16:32] F. Michael Haynie: Adirondacks. We would stop-

[16:34] Andrew Kober: I only know based on the mountain ranges I'm near, where I'm performing.

[16:38] F. Michael Haynie: We would go to this Burger King because there were no other places that had food and-

[16:43] Andrew Kober: That's not true. There was a very healthy bakery, not far.

[16:46] F. Michael Haynie: They had one of those machines, one of those soda machines that had the instructions on how to make different mixed drinks there.

[16:54] Andrew Kober: And there was one called Black Gold that was three quarters Coca-Cola, one quarter Dr. Pepper. And I swear to God-

[17:01] F. Michael Haynie: A topper of Dr. Pepper.

[17:03] Andrew Kober: This sound, like it makes my teeth hurt listening to this. It was so good. Can I say it was so good.

[17:09] F. Michael Haynie: It was so good.

[17:17] Andrew Kober: Coburn, you're at bat entrance music.

[17:21] Alex Brightman: What is it?

[17:22] Andrew Kober: Oh, boy. Well, all right. So is this aspirational or realistic? I mean, like, I don't think you're going to be playing for the fucking major leagues anytime soon.

[17:32] Alex Brightman: All right. So like-

[17:34] Andrew Kober: Wow. I mean, honest to God, the first song that came to mind was Old Town Road.

[17:40] Alex Brightman: And I think just as far as capturing my kind of vibe, you know what I mean? Like kind of my whole thing. It feels right because I'm from the West.

[17:51] F. Michael Haynie: No.

[17:52] Andrew Kober: And because I love Billy Ray Cyrus.

[17:59] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, and you know that Lil Nas X and I have been friends.

[18:02] Andrew Kober: That's not true.

[18:03] F. Michael Haynie: That's not true.

[18:04] Andrew Kober: Oh, because I would believe for a second I believed that for some odd reason.

[18:08] F. Michael Haynie: No, but do you remember? I am friends with a very famous rapper. Do you remember who it is?

[18:12] Andrew Kober: Yes, Kid Cudi.

[18:13] F. Michael Haynie: But every time someone says Kid Cudi, you go, oh, you mean Scott or whatever his fucking real name is?

[18:18] Andrew Kober: It's Scott.

[18:19] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, it is Scott.

[18:22] Andrew Kober: It is Scott. But that's not what I, I don't do that.

[18:24] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, no, no. You've done it several times.

[18:27] F. Michael Haynie: Same question. What do you think?

[18:29] Andrew Kober: I feel like I would try to be cool and do some like remixed, like, like an artist I'd never heard of, but them doing something that was already a remix, like them doing like Walk This Way, but a cover of the Run DMC version of Walk This Way that's a cover of Aerosmith.

[18:47] F. Michael Haynie: So by the time you got to bat, everyone is like, I heard this song I heard 12 seconds of something. I don't know what the fuck this is. What the fuck?

[18:55] Andrew Kober: It's like a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox.

[18:58] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, very layered.

[18:59] Andrew Kober: Yeah, that makes sense. OK, that keeps them on their toes.

[19:01] Alex Brightman: Beginning and end of list, Thunderstruck, ACDC.

[19:06] Andrew Kober: OK, beginning and end of list. I like that.

[19:09] Alex Brightman: No backups. I would walk up, I would walk up to Dear Lucy, my own song with that singing it.

[19:15] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, that's cool. You absolutely would.

[19:18] Andrew Kober: Now, when we were up in the woods Alex wasn't there. Alex was in Los Angeles, I believe, making some television. But F and F and Drew and I went to the woods and we went to a minor league baseball game and we all fell in love with Josh Bro.

[19:33] Andrew Kober: You guys were texting that recently, and I didn't have the guts to be like, hey, I remember that because I don't I didn't remember that. And that's why.

[19:41] Alex Brightman: Yeah, I didn't have the guts.

[19:43] Andrew Kober: The catcher for the Hudson Valley Renegade.

[19:47] Alex Brightman: That's right. And he's an Adonis as well. He hit three home runs, three home runs at a seven inning game.

[19:53] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, my God, really good looking. He's just like this really amazing specimen.

[19:58] Andrew Kober: He was the MVP by a mile.

[20:00] Alex Brightman: Yeah, we all followed him on Instagram immediately.

[20:02] F. Michael Haynie: I know. I still like I love it when he pops a story like he doesn't do a lot of stories, but sometimes it'll pop up.

[20:09] Andrew Kober: I'm like, I love what he pops a story.

[20:12] Alex Brightman: The same thing you did. I laughed immediately at pops a story.

[20:15] F. Michael Haynie: That's fantastic.

[20:17] Andrew Kober: When he pops a story.

[20:19] Alex Brightman: Holy shit.

[20:21] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, I love that. I miss Josh, bro. That time in the woods, by the way, which is a funny, you know, out of context, that phrase by itself could be daunting and spooky. But like that time in the woods was actually a really good time not to make you have any FOMO, which I know you already do not. But, Bridie, next time, pop a story still is making me giggle.

[20:40] Andrew Kober: I'm sure I'm like I'm literally fighting back more laughter because I just made the best story.

[20:48] Alex Brightman: What's the proudest you've been of each other? And I feel like we can just do like you can pick one and I can. There's a couple. I'll say mine. I'll say mine for F. Cobra and Alex. I'll go right in a row for F because we were all there for it. It was a big deal. Opening night. Your opening night of Wicked as Bach. That was super fun.

[21:04] F. Michael Haynie: And it was right before one of my favorite times with Cobra, which is when we all went up, except for F because he was in Wicked. You got married like that weekend.

[21:16] F. Michael Haynie: I did, yeah. But that's that's not my Cobra favorite proud thing. My proudest moment of Cobra is when you had your first son, Asher.

[21:23] Andrew Kober: I thought that was Jolie.

[21:25] F. Michael Haynie: Not so much. Jolie is my only son.

[21:27] Andrew Kober: Jolie, not so much. Yeah. Your first child. I mean, but that was a proud moment. And then same thing with Alex just because we were all there and it was a big deal. School of Rock. That opening night was so cool. We were all sitting right there in the Mez rocking the bridey yellow shades being on brand for our boy. And it was just that was a thrill.

[21:46] Andrew Kober: All right. Now it's all your guys' turn. This is a Twitter question. What's your proudest moment of each of us? Bridie, let's start with you.

[21:52] Alex Brightman: Oh, boy. I wish I got these in advance. I got to say, I mean, I don't want to I don't want to like bite on one. But when I got to first see Asher and see one of my friends be a dad, it wasn't at the diner at that diner. I was. That was like, you know, that kind of day was like in the middle of that day. I was like, whoa. Another another child of my like my child friend of mine has a child. Like it was so grown up and odd and very cool for F.

[22:25] F. Michael Haynie: It was I think when I think the proudest so far I've been is when you post on your story about exploring your pronouns. I was I really just enjoy I enjoyed the sort of openness and I enjoyed the sort of like that it's an exploration and that it's sort of a thing. I don't know. That was just like one of those moments where I don't know if it's pride. I was just like happy for you. And also, I'm just always proud of you. I've known you the longest.

[22:48] Andrew Kober: So let's see. I was thinking of Drew because I'm not typically proud of Drew, but

[22:57] F. Michael Haynie: The least disappointed I've ever been in Drew.

[23:04] Andrew Kober: I'll take that. Jesus Christ. No, I think I think the most I think I'm constant. I'm always proud of Drew in moments, I think like.

[23:15] Alex Brightman: It's always in the middle of something, because I can't see the forest or the trees in the moment, so it's like in the middle of a Drew concert when you're in your element, and I forget and then remember how good of a musician you are. I mean, you're a good showman, and you're a good host, and you put on a great show, but then I watch you play the piano and guitar, and I forget how skilled you are, and I'm always so proud to be around it and watch people watch you. That's a thing I got from my dad. My dad chokes up watching other people watch people he likes, and so that's something that I think also I find a lot of. I swell up with pride in those moments. Very sweet. Oh, love that. Thanks, Alex. That was very sweet. You didn't have to think very hard. That was nice. Yeah, see? We're not taking up too much time talking about each other. This is lovely. Look at us. Look at us. Hey, Kober, what are you most proud of when it comes to your pals here?

[24:05] Andrew Kober: Oh, well, I think for Alex, I was enormously, well, proud, you're right, is a tricky word, because it implies that sort of almost like a paternal thing, which I don't feel. We've all looked at you, though, as our dad.

[24:21] Alex Brightman: Yeah, I know that. I know that you feel that way. I feel like you are my father, yes.

[24:27] Andrew Kober: Yeah, I think Alex's wedding was a really special moment. That was the best. Yeah, and I got to officiate that, which was really special, and so I was next to his wife, the closest person to you at the moment, and it was really lovely. And Alex revealed that years ago as a part of some sort of an auction for Broadway Cares, the Actors Fund or something, he had bid on and won a coaching session with me, and he just sat on it for like 10 years.

[24:56] Alex Brightman: Yeah, I sat on it for almost a decade. F and I knew about it the whole time, and we also never said anything, which is amazing to me.

[25:04] Andrew Kober: Yeah, and he presented it to me at the wedding, and I was proud of that. I drank too much. I drank way too much at that wedding. I had known F for years before I had ever seen them do their own material. I had seen F in everyone else's concert and sung with F in everyone else's concert, but the first time I saw songs in the key of F was a revelation. Maggie and Sam, all day.

[25:29] Alex Brightman: I was just going to say that. Best song.

[25:34] Andrew Kober: Yeah, it was just totally new to me. I mean, I just never heard that part of your voice. That was totally new and really, really thrilling, because I had only ever seen you brilliantly interpret other people's work. Such a sweet day.

[25:49] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, this is a real boost for me. Yeah, this is rare for us. Are you kidding? Yeah. And Drew. This is going to sound like a joke, but it's really not. I think I worry about Drew the most. For sure.

[26:02] Andrew Kober: All right. But then the first time we, the first time, who was it? It was F and I. The first time F and I met Allie, your girlfriend, you put out this really beautiful charcuterie plate. The apartment was beautiful, and Allie was so lovely, and there was this gorgeous charcuterie. And I remember making a big deal about the charcuterie.

[26:34] Alex Brightman: Yeah, I make charcuteries now. I'm at the part of my life where I can throw together a charcuterie board.

[26:39] Andrew Kober: And it was like watching you all of a sudden become a grown-ass man. Your barometer of what grown-up is, is hysterical to me.

[26:45] Alex Brightman: No, but I get that. I actually do understand that, because I felt that when I looked in, when I was in your new apartment. I was like, this is, I'm going to throw up right now. This is the apartment of an adult man.

[26:58] F. Michael Haynie: I'll tell you what, though. It was a really nice charcuterie. Besides the fact that there was a charcuterie, it was well curated and delicious.

[27:07] Andrew Kober: It's F's turn.

[27:07] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah. So my three are Drew, when we sang with the symphony, getting to sit, and granted, I had an absolute blast singing and listening to Cobra sing and things like that, and Guarini killing it, and Lily Cooper. It was a great, great night. But at one point in time, I snuck in the back, and I just watched, and I sat next to Kelly for a second. And it was just that moment of just sitting there and going, there's a symphony playing Drew's music. And it's stuff that we'd heard voice memos of, and we'd heard sung by people at Joe's Pub and other really cool things. This wasn't atypical in the fact that it was other people experiencing your music. But seeing you on a grand piano with a symphony. That is wild.

The juxtaposition between a voice memo and a symphony is insane. There's nothing in between, by the way. For many of the songs that we did, that was the leap. And just a quick story about that symphony gig. Cobra, since you were the first person singing on that evening, I don't know if you remember me running backstage before they called my name to introduce me to walk to the piano. I threw up in the dressing room because I was so nervous, and then ran literally as I'm getting backstage, like, and here's Drew Gasparini. I had puke on my lips. I was walking out like this. There's videotape of it.

[28:31] Andrew Kober: Oh my God. All right, I'll keep going. Sorry. Next up, Cobra, I remember I found out you were going on as Seapost in She Loves Me, and ran to the box office to try to get a ticket. Did get a ticket. And the funny thing was, I had gone to Bucks County Playhouse and seen you play the KFC guy with an iPad in a baseball thing. I've seen you do so many things. And there was something about the last minute nature of this, and also that I never imagined that someone was going to actually cast you as an old man. And then watching you play this kind of curmudgeon-y dude, I was like, he's home. He's home. Finally, our boy is home. He's achieved his final form. I would have given anything to see you play George in that. Like, it would have been, I think it would have been everything I needed and wanted to see, is to see you take that. But to see you do the thing that now I have seen you do in like, Beautiful, and so many other shows now that you just go-

[29:43] Alex Brightman: This old weird man.

[29:44] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, you just go, I'm just the old guy that kind of walks in and goes, yeah. That was the day Cobra sealed his fate. I remember really quickly, just because it came into mind. Cobra, I don't remember, I never remember the name of this show, and I'm going to say a funny thing to make you remember it. I saw your final dress rehearsal for the National Lampoon's France vacation. What's it called?

[30:02] Andrew Kober: Yeah, Roman Holiday.

[30:04] F. Michael Haynie: Roman Holiday. And so you played a reporter at the end of the show. Cobra had like four lines total in this show. And at the end of this final dress, they've been rehearsing. This is their day before they're going out of town to go do this show. Cobra has a reporter and he forgets his name. He's like, it gets to him, there's a pause because he doesn't realize it's him. He doesn't hit his cue. And he goes, and they kind of looked at him and he goes, Richard, Raven's been, and then the whole cast lost it. This has nothing to do with anything, but it just reminded me of Cobra playing parties I built for and destined to play again.

[30:47] Andrew Kober: Yeah, my whole career is just a waiting game until I'm old and weird enough to play all the old weird characters that have been doing this the whole time.

[30:51] F. Michael Haynie: And for Brightman, this is way, way back in the Friend times. I remember we were in an acapella group in college called the Anharmonics.

[31:02] Alex Brightman: Cool.

[31:04] F. Michael Haynie: And you had left, there's the old familiar flavor. You had left to go do History Boys in L.A. I was trying to stop the story for a second because I want to hear it, but that was insane.

[31:22] Alex Brightman: That was so funny and so true. Cool. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.

[31:29] F. Michael Haynie: Anyway, that was good. So Brightman had come back to do, had left school and then came back to just sing with the group for a little bit while you were thinking about coming back to school, all these things. And I remember we walked outside after rehearsal one day and we were in, I remember exactly, it doesn't exist really anymore in Washington Square Park because of the reformat. I don't know this story.

[32:01] F. Michael Haynie: But you were like, you were, it's when you told me that you were going to do Wicked.

[32:09] Alex Brightman: Oh my God.

[32:10] F. Michael Haynie: And you had just booked it. And you were like, I can't really tell anybody because you'd just come back to the group. And it was this, it was this really funny thing. And you were like, Hey, so I'm going to, I'm going to go do this. I can't be in the group anymore. I got to go do this thing. And I was, I just lost my mind with excitement. And I think it was this, it was this crazy thing that, you know, the amazing things that you, you have gone and continue to do, but that there was this, there was this like quiet moment in Washington Square Park where both of us like went to school, but that we were just kind of sitting there in the park. And I found out this thing that would be this new like juncture in your life going forward. And it wasn't, it wasn't a, it was the first time I learned it in myself about what it felt like to know that you were so good friends with someone that jealousy didn't exist.

[33:01] Alex Brightman: Yeah.

[33:01] F. Michael Haynie: Like I, it was that thing that I was like, and that's how I've always felt about the three of you and why it's been this really, really, I think great friendship that we've had because the, I, I've, I heard other people in college being like, Oh, I booked this or I did this. And I'm like, Oh man, I want to do that too. And I don't necessarily want to take it away from them like that kind of thing, but like, I want to, I want to do it too. And this was one of those things where I wanted to put you up on my shoulders and run through the park being like, do you know who this is?

[33:26] Alex Brightman: Yeah. No.

[33:32] F. Michael Haynie: Well, thank you. That was very nice. I remember how devastated I was. That was the weird part thinking about, I do remember this story. And I, I remember feeling extremely torn in a weird way of like this thing of like this great thing, but I was like, I was young enough to be like, but I want to do my acapella group too.

[33:49] Alex Brightman: Who will sing the solo in the lion sleeps tonight.

[33:51] F. Michael Haynie: No, we didn't do.

[33:58] Andrew Kober: This is a quiz for each of us. This is the friendship quiz that I've put together.

[34:02] F. Michael Haynie: Okay.

[34:03] Andrew Kober: So there's a, there's a Cobra edition. There's an F Michael edition and there's a Bridie edition and a Gaspo edition. When it is a Cobra edition, Cobra, you cannot answer, but you can answer for the other two. And I think y'all get what I'm trying to say here. You understand the rules. All right. So this is for Bridie and F and I guess I'll keep score because why not? Okay. Whoever loses is kicked out of the morons.

[34:24] Alex Brightman: Okay.

[34:24] Andrew Kober: And don't try to lose. Cause I said that don't try. I got to leave for a show in like 10, 15 minutes though. Here we go. Cobra edition. This is the friendship quiz with the morons. Bridie and F these questions are for you to buzz in. Just say buzz or something.

[34:38] Alex Brightman: Okay. Can we say Buzz's girlfriend Woof?

[34:42] Andrew Kober: Yeah, you can say that. In fact, that's protocol from now on. Say Buzz's girlfriend Woof to answer your question. What is Cobra's wife's maiden name?

[34:50] Alex Brightman: Buzz's girlfriend Woof.

[34:53] Andrew Kober: All right. I started saying it first. You said Unger. Correct. Bonus question.

[34:58] Alex Brightman: What is Farrah's dad's magician name? If you can't answer. Okay. Yes. Go for it, Alex.

[35:06] Andrew Kober: Ragnu the OK.

[35:12] Alex Brightman: Now here's my favorite bonus question because I honestly couldn't think of it. What is his real name?

[35:19] Andrew Kober: Ragnu the OK. That's what I thought.

[35:31] F. Michael Haynie: I know this. His name is Bruce Unger. That's such a great name. Tell me it's Bruce Unger.

[35:37] Andrew Kober: Is it George? What is it?

[35:42] F. Michael Haynie: No, it's not. What is it?

[35:44] Andrew Kober: It's J.

[35:45] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, yes. I do now remember that you said it. I spent the better part of the morning today on the phone with him, helping him edit his latest magic special.

[35:47] Alex Brightman: No way. That's kind of amazing. Great job.

[35:52] Andrew Kober: There's more. This is still the Kober edition. Here we go. F. and Bridie, this question is for you as well. Andrew plays poker with this famous standup comedian.

[35:58] Alex Brightman: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof.

[36:00] Andrew Kober: Yes, Bridie.

[36:06] Alex Brightman: Louis Black.

[36:06] Andrew Kober: That is correct. It is Louis Black. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. It's been years, but I used to.

[36:13] F. Michael Haynie: Yes, but you used to.

[36:20] Andrew Kober: All right. Here we go. My dad saw Louis Black at a dentist. Thanks, Bridie. Fantastic. This is a two-parter. So far, all of the questions about me are about other people I know.

[36:25] Alex Brightman: How many Broadway shows has Andrew Kober been in? Bonus points if you can name them chronologically.

[36:32] Andrew Kober: I only say oof because there's so many.

[36:38] F. Michael Haynie: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof. Yes, F. Go for it.

[36:45] Andrew Kober: Okay. So Hair, the American tribal musical.

[36:45] F. Michael Haynie: Okay. If you really got to do that.

[36:58] Andrew Kober: Yep. Yep. Then Les Miserables. Then She Loves Me. Then Sunday in the Park with George. Then Beautiful.

[37:02] F. Michael Haynie: Then, oh wait, no. School of Rock was before Beautiful.

[37:05] Andrew Kober: And everything else I don't think I can say.

[37:11] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, right. There's news we can't say.

[37:16] Andrew Kober: Because he hasn't been in them yet.

[37:21] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, that's right.

[37:21] Andrew Kober: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think six, and I think that was the order.

[37:26] Alex Brightman: He wasn't in six.

[37:29] Andrew Kober: No, he wasn't in six.

[37:29] F. Michael Haynie: Oh, six. Oh, I see. He wasn't in six.

[37:34] Andrew Kober: No. All right. So Kober, was he correct?

[37:37] F. Michael Haynie: He was exactly right.

[37:40] Alex Brightman: Wow. Thank you.

[37:41] F. Michael Haynie: Wow. Way to go. I wouldn't have gotten it. I forgot about Beautiful.

[37:44] Andrew Kober: I do have to go two Frozen musicals.

[37:47] F. Michael Haynie: Okay, okay. We'll speed this up.

[37:49] Andrew Kober: All right. Let's speed this up. This is the F. Michael edition. So, Bridie and Kober, these questions are for you. F has talked about this film as being his favorite movie more than four trillion times. What is the title of that movie?

[38:02] Alex Brightman: It's some nerd shit. I mean, it's-

[38:05] F. Michael Haynie: No, it's not. But I know it, and I know, I guarantee Bridie knows it.

[38:09] Andrew Kober: It's not. Wait, what? Give a hint.

[38:12] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, give a hint, F. It was written and directed by a Broadway playwright.

[38:16] Andrew Kober: A Broadway playwright?

[38:18] Alex Brightman: Oh, oh, oh, Bella's girlfriend, Woof.

[38:20] Andrew Kober: I can't believe I didn't know that. I'm an idiot.

[38:22] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, In Bruges.

[38:24] Andrew Kober: Yes, that is correct. I cannot believe I didn't get that right away. Sorry, F.

[38:27] F. Michael Haynie: In Bruges.

[38:29] Andrew Kober: Moving right along, because F has Olaf call, so here we go. What was the show that gave F. Michael Haney his equity card?

[38:35] Alex Brightman: Bella's girlfriend, Woof.

[38:37] Andrew Kober: Yeah, hit it, Kober.

[38:39] F. Michael Haynie: Was it Dogfight?

[38:41] Andrew Kober: That was going to be my guess, too, but it's not.

[38:44] F. Michael Haynie: And I think I know it, and was it-

[38:46] Andrew Kober: Wait, I know. It's going to be Woof.

[38:48] Alex Brightman: Yes.

[38:49] F. Michael Haynie: Plant that Eight Dirty Socks?

[38:50] Andrew Kober: That's it. That's it.

[38:53] F. Michael Haynie: Bridie's cleaning up.

[38:54] Andrew Kober: Here's the last one. This is the last question for F. Michael Haney, auditioned to play a rock icon in a short-lived HBO series starring Ray Romano, among others.

[39:00] Alex Brightman: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof, Meatloaf.

[39:02] Andrew Kober: F, am I correct in saying you auditioned to play Elton John for the TV series Vinyl?

[39:06] F. Michael Haynie: I did. You kind of put it-

[39:09] Andrew Kober: I know. I put it in a myth. I thought people would get it if I said Vinyl. I said an HBO series starring Ray Romano.

[39:13] Alex Brightman: The web network was Everybody Loves Raymond. That was CBS. A point for Kober.

[39:18] Andrew Kober: Because F has to go. We're moving along. This is the Bridie edition. Alex Brightman was nominated for two Tonys for his work in School of Rock and Beetlejuice.

[39:24] F. Michael Haynie: Who did Alex lose those Tonys to?

[39:28] Andrew Kober: Oh, good one. Okay. Buzz's girlfriend, Woof. Yes.

[39:30] F. Michael Haynie: I think Leslie Odom.

[39:32] Andrew Kober: That's correct. One for Kober.

[39:35] F. Michael Haynie: And that, I think, was the- that would have been the School of Rock Tony, I believe?

[39:40] Andrew Kober: That's correct. That's correct.

[39:43] F. Michael Haynie: Who did we lose Beetlejuice to?

[39:45] Andrew Kober: We. Yeah.

[39:48] F. Michael Haynie: Who did we lose Beetlejuice to? Jesus Christ.

[39:51] Andrew Kober: That's right. Who did we lose? Who took our Tony?

[39:54] F. Michael Haynie: The hint is he has a ridiculously Italian name.

[39:58] Andrew Kober: I don't have that one. F, do you have that one?

[40:04] F. Michael Haynie: Can you tell us the show?

[40:06] Andrew Kober: No.

[40:07] F. Michael Haynie: Then I'll give it away.

[40:09] Andrew Kober: No, the show will give it away. The answer is Santino Fantana and you guys stink.

[40:14] Alex Brightman: Santino Fantana.

[40:16] Andrew Kober: This is an easy one, but I'm going to lob it out anyway. Alex Brightman's penis was on full display in this pilot episode of which short-lived series?

[40:22] F. Michael Haynie: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof. Smilf.

[40:24] Andrew Kober: That is correct. If I had a nickel for everyone that sent me a screenshot of that dick. I would have $10,000.

[40:30] Alex Brightman: I was filming that when Donald Trump was elected and it was the weirdest.

[40:34] F. Michael Haynie: It was the weirdest time of my life to be in Boston.

[40:38] Andrew Kober: I was in Boston.

[40:39] F. Michael Haynie: That explains why you were hard.

[40:41] Alex Brightman: Oh, come on. I wasn't. Come on, come on.

[40:44] F. Michael Haynie: Everybody that's seen it knows I wasn't. Come on.

[40:47] Andrew Kober: The Gaspo edition. Here we go. Drew wrote the score for the 2019 Super Bowl publicity stunt, Skittles commercial, the Broadway musical, Cobra's favorite musical that I've written. Who wrote the book to that musical?

[41:01] F. Michael Haynie: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof, Will Eno.

[41:04] Andrew Kober: Yes. Will Eno is correct.

[41:05] F. Michael Haynie: Do we get bonus points if we can sing the songs from it?

[41:09] Andrew Kober: Yeah, if you can, honest to God. Advertising, it ruins everything.

[41:16] Alex Brightman: All right. One point for F. F and Cobra are neck and neck.

[41:19] Andrew Kober: Breitman is leading and none of these points mean anything.

[41:23] F. Michael Haynie: Two truths and a lie. Drew dropped out of college one week before graduating. Drew was commissioned to write a musical for pharmaceutical juggernaut Pfizer. Drew was the test contestant for Oprah Winfrey's reality show, The Big Give. Which one is a lie?

[41:40] Alex Brightman: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof, the first one. I don't think it was one week.

[41:44] F. Michael Haynie: I think that Cobra's wrong.

[41:46] Andrew Kober: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof, the Pfizer one.

[41:50] Alex Brightman: Nah.

[41:51] F. Michael Haynie: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof, it was the Oprah one.

[41:54] Andrew Kober: It's not true. He did the Oprah one. That one I know is true.

[41:56] F. Michael Haynie: The Oprah one is definitely true.

[41:59] Andrew Kober: It is? I've never heard that.

[42:02] F. Michael Haynie: The commission for Pfizer is true and Cobra is correct.

[42:06] Andrew Kober: All right. There's a tiebreaker between Bridie and Cobra, so we'll make it a really easy one. Whoever gets there first.

[42:09] Alex Brightman: Okay. Drew was in a band with his sisters. What was the name of that band?

[42:12] F. Michael Haynie: Buzz's girlfriend, Woof. St. Adeline.

[42:16] Andrew Kober: That is correct. That is correct.

[42:19] F. Michael Haynie: Ready?

[42:20] Andrew Kober: Okay. F, you have one chance to redeem yourself before you go and this is because last year everybody made a big birthday faux pas for one of our friends. Cobra and F, when is Alex Brightman's birthday?

[42:27] Alex Brightman: February 5th.

[42:32] F. Michael Haynie: It's in April.

[42:34] Alex Brightman: No, I'm in April, you jackass.

[42:37] F. Michael Haynie: He is February 5th.

[42:39] Andrew Kober: Nailed it. Well done.

[42:40] F. Michael Haynie: Okay. All right. You guys, before you leave, F, before everybody leaves, this is actually a lot of fun. I want to do more of these, just the game edition. I think we could do this really silly.

[42:48] Andrew Kober: This is fun.

[42:50] F. Michael Haynie: Let F go. We can keep going.

[42:52] Andrew Kober: Yeah, you guys can all keep going.

[42:54] F. Michael Haynie: No, no. I got things I got to do too. We're going to wrap it up here.

[42:57] Andrew Kober: But I do want to say that I love seeing you and even when we're casually talking over a virtual platform like this, I just get so tickled.

[43:05] F. Michael Haynie: You need us for this?

[43:09] Andrew Kober: Should we go? Is this the outro?

[43:12] Alex Brightman: You guys can leave, start dissipating one by one as I-

[43:15] F. Michael Haynie: Let us know when you're going to start recording.

[43:20] Andrew Kober: Also, by the way, when you release this, make sure that you pop a story on Instagram.

[43:24] Alex Brightman: Yeah.

[43:26] Andrew Kober: Y'all got to check out Josh Bro. I'm telling you what.

[43:30] Alex Brightman: Pop a story, Josh Bro. He pops a good story.

[43:33] F. Michael Haynie: F, have a great show tonight. And I love you guys.

[43:36] Andrew Kober: Love you. Bye, everybody.

[43:39] Alex Brightman: See you next time, everybody. Bye, bye, bye.

[43:41] F. Michael Haynie: Bye. I love you.

[43:43] Andrew Kober: I love you. Bye, everybody.

[43:46] Alex Brightman: Love you.

[43:49] Andrew Kober: You guys watch Yellow Jackets?

[43:51] Alex Brightman: No, not yet. I got to-

[43:54] Andrew Kober: You know what? Farah and I are watching. This is going to surprise you both.

[43:56] Alex Brightman: What's that?

[43:58] Andrew Kober: We're watching old seasons of Ink Master on Netflix.

[44:01] Alex Brightman: That is so surprising.

[44:03] F. Michael Haynie: That's kind of kinky.

[44:05] Andrew Kober: Are you enjoying it?

[44:07] Alex Brightman: It's great. We love it. We watch it every night. It's great. There's three old seasons on Netflix, and it's really fun to watch.

[44:12] F. Michael Haynie: Are you recording this?

[44:14] Andrew Kober: You are recording this.

[44:16] Alex Brightman: We're currently binging the Harry Potter movies again.

[44:19] Andrew Kober: How many times have you done that?

[44:21] Alex Brightman: A lot.

[44:23] Andrew Kober: I told you that Asher just got into Harry Potter, didn't we?

[44:26] F. Michael Haynie: So magical.

[44:28] Andrew Kober: I can't ... But here's the thing with Harry Potter for me, and it's the same with Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. It's when an adult comes up to me and they go, you're such a Ravenclaw, or they tell you they're a Hufflepuff.

[44:33] F. Michael Haynie: Well, that's a bad person.

[44:34] Andrew Kober: I want to punch him in the face.

[44:36] F. Michael Haynie: Okay, well, you shouldn't post this part on Twitter because you will get hate mail.

[44:40] Andrew Kober: Bring it, nerds.

[44:43] F. Michael Haynie: I don't like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones or anything.

[44:46] Alex Brightman: Yeah, because that's nerdy, right?

[44:48] F. Michael Haynie: Yeah, no. Harry Potter is definitely cooler than that.

[44:50] Alex Brightman: Hey, fuck you, Drew.

[44:52] F. Michael Haynie: Fuck you.

[44:54] Andrew Kober: Hey, I got no stake in any of these games.

[44:56] F. Michael Haynie: Nobody's safe on Now We're Chatting.

[44:59] Andrew Kober: What's it called?

[45:01] F. Michael Haynie: I haven't posted an episode in three months, so it's-

[45:03] Andrew Kober: Wait, what's it really called?

[45:05] F. Michael Haynie: Now We're Talking.

[45:06] Andrew Kober: You've been on this. This is your second time on the podcast.

[45:09] F. Michael Haynie: Because you were my first interview.

[45:11] Andrew Kober: Uh, right, and it showed.

[45:13] F. Michael Haynie: I have dinner that just arrived.

[45:15] Andrew Kober: What is it?

[45:16] F. Michael Haynie: I got a pear burger.

[45:18] Andrew Kober: Oh, what'd you get?

[45:20] F. Michael Haynie: I got a veggie patty.

[45:22] Andrew Kober: Okay.

[45:23] F. Michael Haynie: Okay.

[45:25] Andrew Kober: I love you guys.

[45:26] F. Michael Haynie: I love you too. Goodbye.

[45:28] Andrew Kober: Bye.

[45:30] Alex Brightman: Hey, thanks everybody for listening. Now We're Talking is a proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.

[45:35] Andrew Kober: You can find out more about me and this podcast at bpn.fm slash now we're talking.

[45:41] Alex Brightman: We're also on Instagram at nwtpodcast or Twitter at nwt underscore pod.

[45:46] Andrew Kober: A big special thanks to the morons. That's Alex Brightman, Andrew Kober, and F. Michael Haney.

[45:51] Alex Brightman: I love you boys.

[45:52] Andrew Kober: Thanks for coming by and chatting.

[45:54] Alex Brightman: Make sure to subscribe and rate this podcast wherever you stream your amazing podcasts.

[45:59] Andrew Kober: And if you feel like supporting, be sure to check out the Patreon and give us your money.

[46:04] Alex Brightman: Give us your money.

[46:06] Andrew Kober: Give us your money.

[46:08] Alex Brightman: Keep tuning in for more amazing guests every single week.

[46:12] Andrew Kober: And, uh, that's all I gotta say.

[46:15] Alex Brightman: All right. Bye, everyone.