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[0:00] Jason A. Coombs: Wait, so you really want to make a podcast?

[0:02] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, what if we just sang our music?

[0:04] Jason A. Coombs: Maybe we should get some real music, Samantha.

[0:05] Samantha Tuozzolo: The podcast came.

[0:07] Jason A. Coombs: Are you still recording?

[0:10] Samantha Tuozzolo: Survival Jobs is a podcast spotlighting artists, their side hustles, and their passions.

[0:15] Jason A. Coombs: Hosted by Samantha Tuozzolo and Jason A. Coombs.

[0:19] Samantha Tuozzolo: Boom.

[0:20] Jason A. Coombs: Sweet.

[0:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: Okay.

[0:21] Jason A. Coombs: Love it.

[0:24] Samantha Tuozzolo: Jason, do you hear that?

[0:25] Jason A. Coombs: Do you hear the truck outside of my house?

[0:28] Samantha Tuozzolo: Hi.

[0:30] Samantha Tuozzolo: Merry Christmas.

[0:31] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you.

[0:32] Samantha Tuozzolo: Merry Christmas to you.

[0:33] Jason A. Coombs: Merry Christmas.

[0:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: Christmas isn't Merry Christmas to our listeners and happy holidays.

[0:38] Jason A. Coombs: All of the things.

[0:39] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's all the things.

[0:40] Jason A. Coombs: The most wonderful time of the year, but also the most positive time of the year right now.

[0:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: If you get that.

[0:48] Jason A. Coombs: I don't know if that was like a good joke.

[0:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: Probably not.

[0:52] Samantha Tuozzolo: I was writing a Christmas card to someone and I was like, stay positive this year.

[0:52] Samantha Tuozzolo: And I was like, wait, but not COVID positive.

[0:59] Jason A. Coombs: It's like not funny, but like also at this point of the game, like all we can do is laugh and make a silly out of it.

[1:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: Because here's the thing I feel so bad for friends of mine and friends of friends who have COVID right now and have to miss Christmas.

[1:15] Jason A. Coombs: It's Christmas.

[1:17] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, I know some people who are positive.

[1:19] Jason A. Coombs: It's crazy.

[1:20] Jason A. Coombs: And then in credit trying to get a test, like I couldn't get any appointments till next week, and then like all the walk-ins are filled at eight o'clock in the morning.

[1:32] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's a mess.

[1:33] Jason A. Coombs: I can't.

[1:35] Jason A. Coombs: I can't.

[1:36] Jason A. Coombs: I'm just over here, like, you know, counting on all the antibodies that I'm pretty sure I have because I literally just had COVID.

[1:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: So yeah.

[1:46] Jason A. Coombs: Samantha, are you excited?

[1:48] Jason A. Coombs: So what are your Christmas plans?

[1:51] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, I'm going to be staying home and staying away from these people because Omarion variant is on the loose.

[1:59] Jason A. Coombs: And I'm not trying to be on an icebox because of him.

[1:59] Samantha Tuozzolo: So the Omicron variant is on the loose.

[2:07] Jason A. Coombs: It's on the loose.

[2:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: So we were chilling at home.

[2:11] Samantha Tuozzolo: Gonna get some wine.

[2:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: Watch some Christmas movies.

[2:15] Jason A. Coombs: Let's see.

[2:16] Jason A. Coombs: Maybe I'll watch Scream.

[2:18] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, okay.

[2:19] Jason A. Coombs: That's a turn.

[2:20] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'll watch some Christmas movies and maybe also I'll watch Scream.

[2:24] Jason A. Coombs: Well, it's the 25th anniversary of Scream, which is like my favorite horror movie.

[2:27] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, I'm embarrassed.

[2:28] Samantha Tuozzolo: I didn't know any of that.

[2:29] Jason A. Coombs: I'm so happy to know that now.

[2:31] Samantha Tuozzolo: You know, I've been really wanting to watch Succession, dear everyone.

[2:36] Samantha Tuozzolo: When I was in my deep quarantine, I texted Jason, I said, what should I binge?

[2:40] Jason A. Coombs: And he was like, Succession.

[2:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: And I did.

[2:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: I did season one, season two.

[2:45] Jason A. Coombs: And I'm upset.

[2:46] Jason A. Coombs: You're ahead of me.

[2:47] Samantha Tuozzolo: I am ahead of you.

[2:49] Samantha Tuozzolo: Shit gets real.

[2:51] Jason A. Coombs: Um, I love Succession.

[2:54] Jason A. Coombs: Like I love any story with like rich white people fucking shit up.

[2:57] Samantha Tuozzolo: And that's what that's about.

[2:58] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, it is.

[2:59] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, 100%.

[3:01] Jason A. Coombs: Fucking.

[3:01] Samantha Tuozzolo: And the season one finale.

[3:03] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[3:04] Samantha Tuozzolo: Maybe I was shook it.

[3:06] Jason A. Coombs: Shook it.

[3:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: It made me ill.

[3:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: Like I actually felt like it was gonna draw up everywhere.

[3:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: And it was not the COVID, it was the content.

[3:16] Jason A. Coombs: Talk about a survival job, huh?

[3:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my god, no spoilers.

[3:23] Samantha Tuozzolo: But like talk about a survival job.

[3:28] Jason A. Coombs: Whoa, Jason, that was real, huh?

[3:31] Jason A. Coombs: Wow.

[3:32] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, I've been wanting to watch season three, but I feel like I've just been needing to drown myself in Christmas movies, which I have been.

[3:39] Jason A. Coombs: I heard you watch West Side Story too.

[3:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my god.

[3:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: West Side Story.

[3:45] Samantha Tuozzolo: Hello, listeners.

[3:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: Run to the movie theater.

[3:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: Run.

[3:49] Samantha Tuozzolo: It is.

[3:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm I personally am like partial to West Side Story.

[3:56] Jason A. Coombs: Is that what you would say if you have like Maria, right?

[4:00] Samantha Tuozzolo: I did not play Maria.

[4:02] Samantha Tuozzolo: I played Anita in high school.

[4:04] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, I cannot sing.

[4:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: Can you imagine if I played Maria?

[4:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'd be like, I would.

[4:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm like, I somehow pulled Anita off in like the auditorium of Norwich High School.

[4:18] Samantha Tuozzolo: Um, not Puerto Rican, not a singer, pretended to be a dancer, acted the shit out of it though.

[4:26] Jason A. Coombs: I will tell you that.

[4:28] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, so it's really incredible.

[4:32] Samantha Tuozzolo: It is incredible, it is unreal.

[4:34] Samantha Tuozzolo: I have nothing.

[4:34] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm still speechless.

[4:36] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm actually gonna go again tonight.

[4:38] Samantha Tuozzolo: I saw it right before two weeks ago, and I think I'm gonna go again tonight with my mother.

[4:43] Jason A. Coombs: I want to go to the movies and see it, but oh no, girl.

[4:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: Listen, I'm running around.

[4:49] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm like, the doctor told my mom that she's good for three months.

[4:53] Samantha Tuozzolo: He said, yeah, he said, I think you're okay for three months.

[4:57] Samantha Tuozzolo: Like, don't go around and like lick the subway pole for sure, but like we're feeling like no, probably don't do that ever.

[5:05] Jason A. Coombs: I think we're feeling like a little okay with doing things.

[5:09] Samantha Tuozzolo: Obviously, being safe, obviously wearing masks.

[5:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: We're not like running around into crowds of thousands of people.

[5:18] Jason A. Coombs: But you know how that goes.

[5:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: I feel like every movie should be streaming like in this time.

[5:24] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[5:25] Samantha Tuozzolo: What are they doing?

[5:26] Jason A. Coombs: I don't understand why.

[5:27] Jason A. Coombs: Or like pay to rent.

[5:29] Samantha Tuozzolo: Like if people will pay to rent it on like Prime or whatever.

[5:32] Jason A. Coombs: I mean, I fucking paid $15 and I bought Love Actually on Amazon Prime.

[5:37] Samantha Tuozzolo: Okay.

[5:38] Jason A. Coombs: Oh wow, really?

[5:39] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, I love that movie.

[5:41] Jason A. Coombs: That's a good one.

[5:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: What's your favorite Christmas movie?

[5:45] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, Prime Home Alone 2.

[5:47] Jason A. Coombs: Lost in New York.

[5:48] Jason A. Coombs: Except there's that villain of a president in it, but besides that, one little...

[5:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: I forgot about that.

[5:57] Jason A. Coombs: Jesus.

[5:57] Jason A. Coombs: It's like no matter what we do, the guy will always sneak back in.

[6:01] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, unfortunately.

[6:03] Samantha Tuozzolo: Well, everything else is great.

[6:04] Samantha Tuozzolo: I love that pigeon lady.

[6:07] Jason A. Coombs: I love the pigeon lady.

[6:09] Jason A. Coombs: It's sick.

[6:10] Samantha Tuozzolo: It's so cool.

[6:14] Samantha Tuozzolo: I used to always want to get trapped in the New York hotel as a kid.

[6:17] Jason A. Coombs: Like I was like, I just want to go and live in a hotel.

[6:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my gosh.

[6:22] Samantha Tuozzolo: I was like, as a kid.

[6:25] Jason A. Coombs: And speaking of Macaulay Culkin, his brother's in Succession, look at how we just tied all that together.

[6:30] Samantha Tuozzolo: And his other brother's in Scream 4.

[6:32] Jason A. Coombs: Look at that.

[6:33] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh yes!

[6:34] Jason A. Coombs: Oh my gosh.

[6:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: Jason, I love when we do things like that and we don't even mean to. Let's talk about our guest today.

[6:43] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[6:43] Jason A. Coombs: A good run of women, my friend and Nzinga Williams.

[6:47] Samantha Tuozzolo: She's so fierce.

[6:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: You know, we actually just became friends this like chapter of coming back to New York.

[6:55] Samantha Tuozzolo: And by the way, like I don't think anybody can I speak?

[7:00] Samantha Tuozzolo: Um, I don't think you know, when I say coming back to New York, it was me coming back to New York and like New York coming back.

[7:06] Jason A. Coombs: But we have like a handful of mutual friends, and we just hit it off, and I was like, can you come on this podcast?

[7:13] Samantha Tuozzolo: Because you're so funny, and she's so fierce, and I can't wait to talk to her.

[7:18] Jason A. Coombs: Yes.

[7:18] Jason A. Coombs: So I was talking her profile.

[7:21] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, she's amazing.

[7:23] Samantha Tuozzolo: She is like superwoman.

[7:24] Samantha Tuozzolo: I swear.

[7:25] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm like, my mouth is just open to the ground hearing about like all the shit she does.

[7:31] Jason A. Coombs: Like, maybe do you sleep?

[7:32] Nzinga Williams: I don't do half the shit she does, and I don't sleep, but that's because I drink too much.

[7:39] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, Adele.

[7:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: Thank you.

[7:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: All right, let me tell you guys about her.

[7:45] Nzinga Williams: And Nzinga Williams is a New York-based general company and stage manager, as well as a producer.

[7:51] Samantha Tuozzolo: Okay, by the way, that line right there, bye.

[7:55] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's a quadruple threat.

[7:57] Jason A. Coombs: Um, she has worked on projects on and off Broadway and the high seas, such as Moulin Rouge.

[8:05] Nzinga Williams: Sorry.

[8:06] Samantha Tuozzolo: Sorry.

[8:07] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, no, we are like having a good time today, and I don't even care.

[8:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: Such as Moulin Rouge, The Musical, Thoughts of a Colored Man, Hair, Sleep No More, The Secret Life of Bees, Halfway Bitches Go Straight to Heaven, The Mother, Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Shoshana Bean's Night Divine, This Is Broadway, Curtain Up, and After Midnight, to name a few.

[8:32] Nzinga Williams: She is an activist and the founder of the New Black Mutual Aid, a mutual aid created during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic for black theater artists on and off the stage.

[8:45] Samantha Tuozzolo: She is a proud member of the commissary and a member of the Waterwell Board of Directors.

[8:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: She's passionate about bettering the industry through intentional anti-racism work, education, justice, equity, diversity, inclusion, and accessibility.

[9:04] Jason A. Coombs: Let's bring this badass woman into the room.

[9:07] Samantha Tuozzolo: That's right.

[9:08] Samantha Tuozzolo: And Nzinga, welcome to Survival Jobs: A Podcast.

[9:11] Nzinga Williams: We're thrilled to have you.

[9:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: I feel like this is about to be so fun.

[9:15] Nzinga Williams: No, I know.

[9:16] Nzinga Williams: We're just all a little punch-drunk, you know.

[9:19] Nzinga Williams: I mean, we're in the age of Omicron.

[9:22] Nzinga Williams: I mean, this episode is coming out a day before Christmas Eve.

[9:26] Nzinga Williams: Omicron is spreading through the city.

[9:29] Samantha Tuozzolo: Hey, and you're Merry Christmas.

[9:31] Nzinga Williams: Yes, Merry Christmas, happy holidays.

[9:33] Nzinga Williams: And Nzinga, how are you feeling?

[9:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: I know that you had a big Broadway emergency this morning.

[9:38] Nzinga Williams: Are you okay?

[9:39] Nzinga Williams: Honestly, everything's about a Broadway emergency.

[9:41] Nzinga Williams: However, um, I'm exhausted.

[9:44] Nzinga Williams: I think everybody is just a little, everybody's tired, and there's just I think everyone top-down side, like everybody involved in theater is a little bit on edge right now.

[9:55] Nzinga Williams: You know, I think we all went through like a real collective trauma in March of 2020.

[10:00] Nzinga Williams: All of us, like the whole world, but I think it was a very specific kind of trauma for theater folks.

[10:08] Nzinga Williams: It was like one day you had a job and the next day you were unemployed for two years, you know.

[10:15] Nzinga Williams: Um, and people were telling you get a real job after you like spent your whole entire life in a career, you know.

[10:25] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, it's just like it was it's been a really traumatic time on top of like all of the emotional, physical, on top of the actual physicality of everything.

[10:35] Nzinga Williams: And so I think when times like now where we're trying to figure out how to do theater and how to do it safely and how to do it, uh what I keep calling people forward, there's just a lot of drama, trauma and a lot of stress and a lot of like, how do we do this?

[10:49] Nzinga Williams: And frankly, like we are none of us are equipped for this.

[10:54] Nzinga Williams: I have worked my whole life managing artists, like that's what I did.

[10:58] Nzinga Williams: That's what that's what I love to do.

[11:01] Nzinga Williams: And um, I don't know what to tell you, babes.

[11:07] Nzinga Williams: Um, I talked to infectious disease doctors, oh, it feels like daily.

[11:12] Nzinga Williams: Um, and that's really all we can do, do you know?

[11:15] Nzinga Williams: Like it's just doing the best we can.

[11:18] Nzinga Williams: I actually have to send I should send you this meme that I sent um my general manager this morning that says I don't want to be on Broadway, I just want to go home and eat chips.

[11:28] Nzinga Williams: And I was like, and all he did was emphasize it.

[11:37] Nzinga Williams: So I think we're all, we're all kind of stressed.

[11:39] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[11:41] Jason A. Coombs: Well, thank you for taking the time to talk to us, like, but in the middle of a fire.

[11:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: Well, just that we briefed on what's going on in the world.

[11:50] Samantha Tuozzolo: Let's jump into it's uh um, you know, maybe let's talk about some survival jobs.

[11:57] Samantha Tuozzolo: You know, you are in the middle of working on Broadway at a crazy time, but most times I imagine you're so happy and fulfilled.

[12:05] Nzinga Williams: I don't know, tell us otherwise.

[12:07] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, but um surely you've had some like survival jobs to get you there.

[12:13] Nzinga Williams: So do you have a story from like a survival job that really positively impacted where you are now?

[12:20] Nzinga Williams: Oh, that's a great question.

[12:21] Nzinga Williams: I love that.

[12:22] Nzinga Williams: So most of my survival jobs, fun fact, have been actually in theater because my thought was I'm going to be as close as I possibly can.

[12:32] Nzinga Williams: I grew up between turning out in the US and single mom.

[12:37] Nzinga Williams: And so uh I I had a very different background than most people coming into theater, especially any theater on the admin side, because I've always wanted to do what I do.

[12:47] Nzinga Williams: I first was stage managing and then um, now company in general management.

[12:52] Nzinga Williams: Uh what you find is a lot of folks that do what we do, they have safety nets, and I just never did.

[12:59] Nzinga Williams: Uh, but that that's just not my reality.

[13:01] Nzinga Williams: But there was this like hunger that I always had that was like if I'm not close to it, then I won't have it, like at all.

[13:09] Nzinga Williams: So all of my survival jobs, no matter what they most of them were um connected to theater in some way, which is kind of fun.

[13:17] Nzinga Williams: And I mean, I've done everything.

[13:19] Nzinga Williams: I've literally like you name it, I've done it.

[13:21] Nzinga Williams: Uh one of my fun, weird survival jobs, but I can't tell you everything about because I have an NDA.

[13:27] Nzinga Williams: I worked as a uh business manager for high net worth entertainers.

[13:33] Nzinga Williams: What that's because I did not know what the fuck that means.

[13:36] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, can I cuss?

[13:37] Nzinga Williams: Yes, you can do whatever you want.

[13:39] Samantha Tuozzolo: Fuck yes.

[13:40] Nzinga Williams: Yes, you can.

[13:41] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah, absolutely.

[13:43] Nzinga Williams: Um we don't have roles.

[13:44] Samantha Tuozzolo: We don't have rules on this podcast.

[13:46] Nzinga Williams: We just are.

[13:47] Samantha Tuozzolo: I'm only halfway through my coffee.

[13:48] Nzinga Williams: Some fucks are gonna slip out.

[13:49] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[13:50] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, let them let them slip out.

[13:53] Samantha Tuozzolo: Fucking yes.

[13:55] Nzinga Williams: So uh I didn't know what the fuck that meant. What it means is uh famous people, when you get to a certain level of like notoriety or whatever it is, you just don't touch your own money. Um you have like it it's kind of like having an accountant, but like and then some you have somebody who is basically controls your your pen your pennies incense. So you know, us uh us poor folks, um solidly middle class, we're checking our bank accounts, we're usually paying our bills by ourselves, right? Like you get your credit card bill, and you're like, oh I guess I gotta pay that. Oh, the light bill came in, let me do that. Or like me, a light bill, I'm busy doing five, six, seven, eighty on a stage, or I see you know, in Monaco, like skiing.

Monaco. So I was working for this first uh I I got this job at this firm, and I was like a I was a um clerical assistant, and I was a clerical assistant for six months, and that just basically meant meant I like had really fun, like I just did whatever extra projects. I was like, if you need me in here, kind of gal, which is like very much my brand. Um and uh so I had some really cool projects in there, and I I got to learn a lot about like how things are valued. I promise I won't answer any questions long-winded, but um, I love it. Really like and ended up like foreign into what I do now in a lot of ways. Uh I had one project where uh this famous uh artist, cartoonist, he's a he's a comic book writer.

Um this writer, he and his wife, she was a colorist, he was the the writer, he was the um the comic book sketcher of both, and they got divorced. Yikes. Yeah, yikes. Actually, yikes. Turns out those are half mine because it would just be some fucking sketches without my color right so then you have to you as the business manager had to go in and value all of the art that that this person had because when he when everything started going through she would essentially get half we there there had to be a money valuation I went into there's this um storage unit upper east side because that's where everything useless lives um like I saw the uh a how uh a store for like dollhouse furniture I was like you've got to be fucking me like people in this board can't be you know what I mean anyways so uh so we go into the upper we side side there's a storage unit that is just for art and it is like so cool the way that they like they store everything and it was me and the head and the head of this comic book production the this guy who was so cool he was really lovely and he and I sat there and we evaluated like I pulled out things we valued valued everything I saw like original comics that were wild and something fun that like you I didn't know is that like comic book artists and like artists like that they they gift each other pictures they don't like gift each other like pictures like you know a cup they're like here's so the guy who did uh Calvin and Hobbes like gifted this artist with like a a sketch that that's like valued at like thousands of dollars after about six months there they're one of their biggest uh clients, the business manager left.

So uh I came on as the assistant and the and everything kind of got shifted around and so I came on as the assistant on it and I learned so much about money. And I was really broke at the time because at the time I was I would work as a business manager in the morning from like seven to three, and then I would go in part-time at the professional performing arts school um from like three to six, and then I would go call a show if I was stage managing a show if I was oh my god. And then I would do it all over again. That is the hustle right there. Yeah, and so but uh it's so funny because you don't know like there were so many moments that I but like the things that I learned in that job as business management.

I mean, even even basic things of like how to onboard people like W like the difference between W4 and a W9 and how to how to fill those out. Like that is for you. I literally I still don't know. Call me sis because you know what I do. Actually I that's what I walk I walk people through that, like every you know, when I'm onboarding new casts and crew and you know how to how like we did her taxes, we like I learned how to use QuickBooks there, which is like very much stuff that I use now, you know. I and I mean and I'm still like wow. But there's so many like there's so many things I learned how to like reconcile annexes and and do this and like just little things. I learned where to go for a private jet.

I know that sounds crazy, but I've called that in recently so like we're gonna need that soon, Samantha. We'll be going on the survival jobs tour. Yeah, yeah. Survival jobs tour. Yeah, manifest that PJ. Because it's what they've they call it a PJ. Oh, PJ private jet. Oh wow, that sounds dirty. Yeah, you know, just like little things like that. So which fed into now as a general manager, I just like my understanding of money and my marrying my understanding of finance and theater really came together, like in the jobs that I do now in company and general management. So wow. Wow, that's so interesting. I'm still stuck on PJ. Me too. I'm like, we gotta get that. We gotta get a PJ, guys. I recently posted or like this the summer, maybe this fall.

I was like, do I know anybody who can get me a PJ for one of my clients? And somebody was like, Do you mean pajamas? And I was like, no. I mean private jet. I was like, but like you're like, surely I know where to find pajamas, and thank you for your help. I was like, do you know where Target is? It is right over the room. Yeah, yes. Oh my god. Do you ever have like a really like I'm sure I'm sure you did. I had like a really uh rough experience of one of these jobs that you want to share. Yeah, I've had a few rough experience. I'm trying to think there was one job that I went to for approximately a week, and I had to take four. But this was in Boston. I had to take four buses and a trained to get there, maybe.

It was like because I because I don't know if you know Massachusetts at all, but like trying to get anywhere like that's kind of outer is just a bitch. And God, I forget what I was doing for I think I was doing like some sort of like finance thing. I've always been good with numbers, and so I could just like bullshit my way into like a finance job. I mean it's not a bad thing to bullshit your way into. He's just like, I hate you. But yeah, no, so I like it was like that was horrible. Like some like things like that. Um actually this the job that I was just talking about, the uh finance job, um, as a high network entertainers, uh business manager. I was so broke at the time, like so broke. They the thing about my about it is that I know my value in theater because I've only ever really worked in theater.

So when you look at me and you say, I'm gonna give you X amount for this, I'm gonna be like, uh-uh, no, I know I can do this, but I don't know corporate in there. And I didn't know corporate America and I was young at the time, and offered me like pennies, and I was like, ugh. Um and I remember there's this one week where I was just like, I'm always really broke around the holidays. Um because I'm I do I do too much. I'm like, I'm I'm I will be making, you know, like a full meal for myself and my dog. Um you know, like I just I do too much. I'm like, I'm gonna spend $50 on decorations. Um, but it was around Thanksgiving, and Thanksgiving had just ended, maybe, and I spent like maybe I had like 50 bucks in my in my account until I got paid again, you know, it was like one of those weeks.

And yes, I know. You know. I know it too. Yeah. And the turkey was on sale. Um, because it was the week like it was the week after, or it was like right after Thanksgiving, it was like the weekend. Yeah. And one dollar a pound, I will never forget this, or like 125 pounds. It was ridiculous. And I bought a $13 turkey and I was like, I'm gonna make this shit last for a week and a half until I get paid. Anyway, so I go, I go into the oven, I like the overnight. Now I don't know if you've ever made a turkey. It takes long fucking time. You know what I mean? Like hours package. They don't say it on the package. You got a base for your life. And so face for your life. So I'm wasting that bitch overnight.

I'm tired, bro. Like, I don't sleep because I put the turkey in at nine, thinking it'd be done at midnight, like a fucking dummy. And so and remember, I'm in at work at like seven, seven thirty. Oh shit. Maybe eight. So you know, the turkey comes out of the oven. It's beautiful, because hello hi. And yeah. I don't have I'm exhausted. I don't have any like I was what I was doing was I would sleep for like 20 minutes and set an alarm and then wake up and check the turkey. So like that's how I was sleeping overnight. Based and based. And based. So I don't have any energy to make anything else. I put the turkey on the um stove, I cut like a few fucking pieces, put it in some Tupperware, steaming, steaming freaking hot.

Steaming hot. Oh, jeez. And I take it to work and I sit down, and nobody's in the office because I'm there early to try to get stuff done because I it was like one of the days when I was calling the show maybe I don't know I sit down and I look at my desk and there is a four million dollar net check that I had to for this person and I was like I just started to cry because like it's not fair and I and I like I genuinely just like wept I just wept I couldn't stop crying because I was like I just spent my last like $3 basting a turkey couldn't sleep I you know when I was maybe 24 at the time 25 like I'm just trying to like I'm like do I survive do yeah I'm trying to survive in New York and I'm like do I all of this because I knew I wanted to do theater and I just needed somebody to everybody was like you're so great but nobody was paying me and so I I was just I I like I just I lost it like that was like and and that was probably like the moment where I was like oh this is a survival job fuck this is a survival job this isn't my career I know what I'm good at I know I can do this this like this is a means to an end and like my whole brain was kind of like I mean it took a while to for me after that to leave and like there was like so many things that that that went into me leaving um but yeah that was that was like really tough um I where I am now and like I have like a modicum of power, not much, but a lot of power.

And I'm able, like hopefully what what I really like try hard and when I'm so passionate about is like getting people in the door and like breaking down this like gatekeeping shit is like oh I love that and paying people real wages. Like we, you know, we just hired uh three PAs for um our tour and like we sat down and and created this really beautiful I think um they all three of them are really amazing. So like we're very lucky but this really amazing offer we and I got to craft it because I was like I know what it's like to be that person working job to job to just want to fucking break you know what I mean and that's so amazing.

[27:07] Nzinga Williams: And so like it and it's something that like I you know I felt really passionate about especially with um like I've been hiring a lot um in the past like three months and just like that moment that you get where you're like I can quit my survival job yes is like wow it it fit like and I want to give that to as many people as I can because like they like we all deserve to do what we love.

[27:36] Nzinga Williams: And so that's like really something that I'm really passionate about is like making sure that we're like that there is a pipeline for the people like me who don't have any sort of like wealth or any anything to to to fall back on.

[27:50] Nzinga Williams: Cause like you know at the end of the day like my mom as much as she's amazing and like beautiful and like has worked her ass off to to get help me where she is she's in the Caribbean I like if I like if I am in a financial pinch like she can't help me.

[28:08] Nzinga Williams: She's never been able to help like I was helping her a lot you know what I mean so we were yeah we're we were more partners than mother and daughter you know in that way and so like i if i didn't do it like it wasn't happening and so survival was like number one so i just want to like make sure that that i want to do my tiny part to help that like that's a huge part and i think i i heard this thing a couple of months ago it was um talk about what you do right it's about like helping the next generation that comes after us and and someone was like you have to lift as you climb right lift other people up as you're climbing to the next level and that's like stuck with me so like much because I'm like that's what we have to do but can you tell us more about your your journey and inspiration to create the new black mutual aid and what that process was like because we all know 2020 brought this like kind of racial reckoning in so many different spaces and like the inequalities were so apparent and like I think you're doing a great job at like trying to uh absolve those inequalities.

[29:08] Nzinga Williams: So if you want to talk more about that.

[29:10] Nzinga Williams: Yeah um uh so 2020 was like really horrible for most people and if it wasn't then like maybe reflect on that friends uh um uh I got COVID really early on and I was super sick like very sick um there was a moment where I like I really sat here and I thought I was gonna die and I told my mom that later on and she was like whoa because I was my body was just it was horrible and it was at the time where they were telling you if you have co if you know you have COVID just don't go just don't don't try not to go to the hospital, number one.

[29:48] Nzinga Williams: And my doctor that she was like, try not to if you can manage it home, manage it.

[29:52] Nzinga Williams: And then I like I couldn't even go get a test because I was so sick.

[29:55] Nzinga Williams: I was so weak, I couldn't even go get tested.

[29:57] Nzinga Williams: And I and that was like four weeks of it being horrible.

[30:00] Nzinga Williams: And then like two weeks after that of me being like incredibly weak.

[30:05] Nzinga Williams: I've never really had was the luxury of sitting my ass down for a second.

[30:11] Nzinga Williams: And I got that in 2020.

[30:14] Nzinga Williams: I think a lot of us got that in 2020.

[30:16] Nzinga Williams: Um, but I just like I've never I've always been working, I've always been going, I've always been at 10.

[30:21] Nzinga Williams: Yeah.

[30:22] Nzinga Williams: I did that I could that I was like sat there and really just like contemplating, like you're just sitting there contemplating everything.

[30:30] Nzinga Williams: And in the midst of all that, George Floyd gets killed, right?

[30:36] Nzinga Williams: All of this things that we we've dealt with, frankly, for years.

[30:41] Nzinga Williams: However, we're all sat our asses down.

[30:43] Nzinga Williams: And I'm sat my ass down and yeah, and um I just almost died, and and my industry is kind of like eek eek.

[30:52] Nzinga Williams: Oh oh my second, I think my second week of um COVID, uh I got for load.

[30:57] Nzinga Williams: Uh and I was like, cool, I'm just gonna watch Gray's Anatomy and hope I don't die.

[31:02] Nzinga Williams: You know, all of that stuff can't kind of like compounded, and it was I don't know if y'all live where where you live, but in Harlem during that time, like June, like June, right before June, like May June.

[31:15] Nzinga Williams: Things were just really rough.

[31:17] Nzinga Williams: Like there were police that were like essentially terrorizing our neighborhoods, like it would be three o'clock in the morning and there were like sirens going off.

[31:26] Nzinga Williams: I there was one night where there were like five or six cop cars just driving around like like loud sirens.

[31:33] Nzinga Williams: There were fireworks going off.

[31:34] Nzinga Williams: Oh my god, the fireworks were oh my god.

[31:36] Nzinga Williams: Fireworks, there were gunshots going off constantly, because that just happens like when you I mean I live in the hood and I love it.

[31:41] Nzinga Williams: Um like, you know, I mean, I like I don't want to fucking move but like I look at the town and when it gets hot people be shooting like that's just kind of what happens when it gets hot yeah people don't know how to act and be like and we okay you know I want four four four and um so like it was the culmination of all of that stuff that that I was like I what are we how what can I do what are we gonna do and um a a few of my friends got arrested um protesting and I at the time I don't think I like left really left the house other than to go on my like little walks with the dog then I started like I started going to protest and stuff and I was like what could we what can we do as a community to to take care of each other because especially our black artists like everybody everybody had a really freaking hard time um but our back our black artists on and off the stage and when I use the word artist I don't mean just the people who are on stage I mean the the lighting stage management I mean wardrobe I mean wardrobe I mean I sound like you need that's what I mean because I really think we're all artists in what we do um and so like of course how we are we're like famously under underpaid undervalued and we're the ones that are putting our lives on the line for our other for people because a lot a lot of black folks in theater were out there pounding pavement a lot of us didn't have the same safety nets that other folks have and it so I was like how can we create that and what is there's is there something small that I could do is there anything you know in in a time where you where everything just kind of felt so you felt helpless like helpless is the word and fatigued knew back mutual aid was something I could do I could collect money and I can give money and like and it all comes back to you like working with money that's that's oh yeah LLC which was like so weird because I had never made an LC for myself I'd done it for um uh one of my clients but I was like okay and I sat on the phone with my friend Brandon who is like a whiz with all this stuff and he was like shout out to Brandon yes Brandon Brandon that's my boo he's a whiz with all that stuff and he really just like uh walked me through a lot of things and and he was like okay you want to do this you want to do that and blah blah blah and then I just I basically set up a uh an Instagram a Cash App a well Azelle and uh Venmo yeah and I was like hey people need needs in a in a Google form I'm really honey I'm a whiz at a Google form.

[34:33] Nzinga Williams: Anybody anybody who's in part of my cast um shout out to the Moon tour they all know how good I am they'll know how good I am on a on a Google tour of form.

[34:44] Nzinga Williams: And so I set that up and it was just like boom and so I was taking money in and giving money out and that's literally all I've done is just take money in and give it out give it out it's definitely like the need has like been less so and so it's just kind of like as we've kind of ramped back up to real world, it's just kind of like trickled.

[35:02] Nzinga Williams: But I think if if there's a request, I'll I'll give it.

[35:05] Nzinga Williams: I one thing I I will say this uh actually taught me a lot.

[35:09] Nzinga Williams: All of my stuff, like training and learning and job stuff when it comes to money was about like judging value, right?

[35:17] Nzinga Williams: Is this money worth it?

[35:19] Nzinga Williams: Does this person deserve it?

[35:20] Nzinga Williams: Like all this stuff.

[35:21] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, the new back mutual aid for me was a practice in letting go of judgment because money comes in and money com goes out.

[35:30] Nzinga Williams: Everybody gets like a hundred dollars, it's not not like you know, whatever.

[35:33] Nzinga Williams: And yeah, it it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't a matter of judging who was asking for money, it was just like here's a hundred bucks because you're a black person who's in need.

[35:42] Nzinga Williams: That goes so far, yeah.

[35:44] Nzinga Williams: And the and and that was like but that was like such a practice for me because you know that you're you're wired to be like, okay, but why are you actually an artist?

[35:55] Nzinga Williams: You know, and it's like right.

[35:58] Nzinga Williams: If somebody is in neat enough to ask, you give, and and it's not my money.

[36:03] Nzinga Williams: I'm just I'm clicking in and I'm giving I'm simply a conduit, and that was such a great practice for me.

[36:08] Nzinga Williams: So I don't think I've ever actually said that out loud.

[36:10] Samantha Tuozzolo: So that's amazing.

[36:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: Congratulations.

[36:13] Samantha Tuozzolo: And to your point, like if somebody's in need enough to ask, I think that it takes a lot for somebody to ask for help because of like pride and embarrassment or whatever the fact.

[36:22] Samantha Tuozzolo: So I love that.

[36:23] Samantha Tuozzolo: Like if somebody is asking and you can help, you give.

[36:26] Nzinga Williams: Exactly.

[36:27] Nzinga Williams: That that's an amazing accomplishment.

[36:29] Nzinga Williams: Right now, it's just kind of dormant.

[36:30] Nzinga Williams: I mean, if people want to give they're more than welcome to, and right now it's just kind of dormant.

[36:36] Nzinga Williams: My thought is like whenever there's a need, there will I would love for I have these big ideas of Bander of like having it be a program where we like sponsor X amount of tickets and people can go see shows and stuff.

[36:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh, that's amazing.

[36:49] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my god, that's so necessary.

[36:51] Nzinga Williams: So yeah, 100%.

[36:53] Nzinga Williams: Um, that's that's another part of the gatekeeping.

[36:55] Samantha Tuozzolo: Absolutely.

[36:56] Samantha Tuozzolo: Absolutely.

[36:56] Nzinga Williams: Cause how because Broadway is so expensive.

[36:59] Nzinga Williams: Oh it's such a classist like audiences are like you know designed for people who have excess wealth to spend.

[37:07] Nzinga Williams: A lot of people don't have that money to spend 150 300 on a ticket.

[37:12] Nzinga Williams: Yeah it's not even just sometimes yeah I work in theater like big girl theater I don't have 150 dollars to spend like my friend wasn't waitress and I really wanted to see her and I was like I don't have 120 that I can just like shut out right now which is yeah and there's like the question you know I also understand the business of it all I understand what it means to like there we we need the people who are paying 120 dollars or 150 and 500 a ticket to buy the ticket and that makes sense because you know it helps keep us all afloat.

[37:49] Nzinga Williams: If if you look at like a budget if you understand like like theater from that point of view it is such a such a risky investment because so often you're not recouping you know unless you have a big hit unless you have a Hamilton unless you have a Moon Lan Ruby yeah yeah you're not recouping.

[38:04] Nzinga Williams: And so it they are such labors of love.

[38:08] Nzinga Williams: So I understand the need for people to buy the tickets and I and I and please if you can do that.

[38:15] Nzinga Williams: But I also think there needs to be access and I just I'm not sure how to marry the two and I'm just I I keep trying every little tiny way I can there needs to be access and there needs to be people paying it at the same time and yeah I think it also comes down to like the people with the wealth also need to like supporting it.

[38:36] Nzinga Williams: Like you need to donate to the arts because the arts are so important like the arts is what so important.

[38:42] Nzinga Williams: I mean I know like it's it's very like it's very uh i can't think of the right word but to be like artists are essential workers because you know but how do people survive during the pandemic when you're at home and you're like what taking like zoom classes on like how to learn how to play guitar or like binge in netflix or watching Hamilton Disney but like the arts is what kept people sane you know no absolutely I'm like artists collective and we talk about constantly shout out to the commissary band and we talk about how entertainment in general but theater specifically is about windows and yours right we should be like windows into other worlds like we're we're creating windows into other worlds and and reflecting and reflecting your world and that should and reflecting like your own experiences and so that but that should be true for literally everybody right so or not everybody but we try to be inclusive as inclusive and in order to do that we have to have the audience to reflect themselves as well you know like does that make sense like we need to have a more inclusive audience and we need to have on stage stories that are more diverse inclusive imaginative of a world that we maybe we don't have now or a world that we want like I think it's just definitely it's so important.

[40:01] Samantha Tuozzolo: It really is I love that you're doing that I love it's such an honor talking with you today.

[40:06] Samantha Tuozzolo: And we'll link the mutual aid and the and the uh episode Jason right so then people can donate.

[40:12] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah.

[40:15] Nzinga Williams: I have a Instagram shout it out.

[40:18] Nzinga Williams: At new black mutual aid is the it's the Instagram, and they're more than welcome.

[40:23] Nzinga Williams: And then my own personal I don't know.

[40:25] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, we'll we'll put it in notes.

[40:28] Samantha Tuozzolo: We'll put it in, yeah.

[40:29] Nzinga Williams: Uh it's zing zing Nzinga as in Who's Got the Keys to Mine.

[40:32] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yes.

[40:33] Nzinga Williams: I love that.

[40:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: What the follow you I know?

[40:37] Nzinga Williams: Yes.

[40:38] Samantha Tuozzolo: Ever the Caribbean girl.

[40:40] Nzinga Williams: Yes.

[40:42] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my gosh. Wow. I this has been so fun. I love it.

[40:45] Nzinga Williams: I love it too.

[40:46] Samantha Tuozzolo: Let's bring I want to kind of bring it back to like um working on Broadway and your career. Do you have a dream job or a dream person you would love to work with? Or maybe you've already had it. Something that you you've dreamed of, you've already achieved. I mean, look at you in front of Meryl's photo. Hello? What?

[41:14] Nzinga Williams: Oh, I love that. I don't have a dream job. My dream, I don't dream of labor. Um labor. If I had to say my dream it would be um to sit on a beach, eat chips.

[41:29] Samantha Tuozzolo: Would you say chips?

[41:30] Nzinga Williams: Um whoops of beach, chat with Cody. Watch me eat Civite for four days straight on the beach. Um shout out to Cody. Oh, I love Cody. And to be able to like create art uninhibited with uh artists. That's like my dream, but in terms of like my career, oh there's so much. Like I I mean, I think that ultimately I'm gonna keep that one to myself because it's a big manifest it, but in terms of artists that I want to work with, I mean, I've been lucky enough to work with Lynn Noddage. She's like, I want to work with her again, Highland. She's just an amazing artist. There's so many artists that I've worked with before that I want to work with again. Kevin Magar that I would love to work with again. She's one of my favorite directors of all time.

She's just honest and amazing and runs the room like no other. The people that are like, I mean, there's so many people I want to work with. I mean, and and unfortunately, like like and Tasaki Shange, like rest and keep like that was like a dream of mine to work with her. And I kind of and I mean I haven't I didn't get to before she passed away, and that was like really tough for me. I just want to make theater that like is fun that matters.

[42:37] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[42:38] Nzinga Williams: And that's like my dream is to to have a more just like inclusive world.

[42:43] Samantha Tuozzolo: Well, I think you are on that path, girl, with all that you do. Like, I'm like, what's my dream? Sitting on a beach drinking.

[42:53] Nzinga Williams: I mean, like, same. Um yeah, there's like that there's got to be that balance of like the hustle and the like headache, but like the reward of it all, and then the rest, the rest period, because we need it.

[43:12] Nzinga Williams: The respirator with good wine and ceviche.

[43:15] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[43:17] Nzinga Williams: Zing zinga. Do you want to tell the audience what you're working on now?

[43:20] Nzinga Williams: In pre-production for Moulin Rouge National Tour, which I'm so excited about. We have honestly the most amazing team of people working on it in every department. I have never been so like just excited to really jump into a project like this. Um, so really excited for that. We start we open in Chicago in February, is our first preview, and then March is opening. I will probably be the person bundled up and crying, but very happy. Um so I will be associate company manager for that um again currently assistant general manager on the wonder's Broadway and Thoughts of a Colored Man, which if like you haven't seen Thoughts of a colored man please please go see it it is one of the most amazing shows I've ever had the blessing to work on keenan is amazing uh steve bodnex the director is amazing the entire cast crew like it's just it's a beautiful building the golden is a beautiful building to go into the golden is a great and the show is just it's it's fantastic and it's unlike anything else you've really seen on Bobby so that's really exciting and if y'all want to go see it let me know send her a DM those DMs yeah because seriously like we're just trying to get like it's important to get to get the show to people to get it to for people to be seeing it and so um how long is it running so March uh I think that oh amazing um I'll be signing in those DMs also I'm full okay single and ready to mingle I don't know about the mingling because you know age of oh Marion yeah we get it and social anxiety but um like no DMs are available you know so something we didn't tell you is that we always end every episode with a game because we just like to keep it fun I'm mostly like I mean I'm an Aquarius it's fine.

[43:48] Samantha Tuozzolo: Oh my god so is Jason wait oh that's what's yeah January 28th yours oh come on oh a January first we love a topic um I'm a February, I'm February 2nd.

[45:35] Nzinga Williams: Oh, we're left.

[45:35] Samantha Tuozzolo: Yes.

[45:35] Nzinga Williams: Yeah.

[45:35] Jason A. Coombs: Guys, and I'm a Libra and Libra and Aquarius are soulmates.

[45:39] Nzinga Williams: Do you know that that?

[45:40] Jason A. Coombs: That's true.

[45:40] Nzinga Williams: Yeah.

[45:41] Jason A. Coombs: Really?

[45:41] Nzinga Williams: Because I dated a Libra and never again.

[45:43] Jason A. Coombs: So well, I dated an Aquarius and never again.

[45:46] Nzinga Williams: So I soulmate friend, soulmate friend.

[45:48] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, then we can talk.

[45:50] Nzinga Williams: Okay. So so the game.

[45:52] Jason A. Coombs: So what Jason, sorry.

[45:53] Nzinga Williams: I was gonna say hit the music.

[45:55] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, cue the music. So in Zynga, I don't think we were recording yet when we talked about your love of Diana the musical. But we do know you are a big fan of Diana the Musical.

[46:08] Nzinga Williams: Can you confirm?

[46:10] Nzinga Williams: I can't confirm.

[46:12] Jason A. Coombs: So confirm.

[46:14] Nzinga Williams: So we have come up with a trivia game about Princess Diana to really test your knowledge about People's Princess, give it the people's princess.

[46:32] Jason A. Coombs: So let's see how much you know. It's okay, there's no pressure on the game. We'll give you 100%, even if you don't, because this was such a fun episode that you deserve a hundred percent. All right. Question number one about Princess Diana. Diana showed a talent for music as an accomplished A violinist, B, pianist, C, flute player, or D singer.

[46:58] Nzinga Williams: Oh my god, wait, what was the first one? Violinist, B pianist, C, flute player, R D singer.

[47:06] Nzinga Williams: Take a guess. You want me to you want to phone a friend?

[47:10] Nzinga Williams: I'm so sorry, that's it. No, I'm so sorry.

[47:14] Nzinga Williams: Oh my god, what is that? Pianist.

[47:17] Jason A. Coombs: How did I not? Okay, great.

[47:19] Nzinga Williams: It's okay. You're still a queen. So sorry.

[47:22] Jason A. Coombs: Megan.

[47:23] Nzinga Williams: So sorry. To your to your mother-in-law.

[47:27] Jason A. Coombs: Megan to your mother-in-law.

[47:31] Nzinga Williams: Oh my gosh.

[47:32] Jason A. Coombs: Jason, take the next one.

[47:34] Jason A. Coombs: Um, okay, true or false. Diana only met Prince Charles because her sister, Lady Sarah, was dating him first.

[47:43] Nzinga Williams: Here.

[47:44] Jason A. Coombs: Correct.

[47:45] Nzinga Williams: Correct.

[47:46] Jason A. Coombs: Ding ding ding. Sarah Spencer.

[47:49] Nzinga Williams: See?

[47:52] Jason A. Coombs: Okay. Diana was featured on the cover of People magazine more than A 10 times. B 70 times. C 15 times. D 50 times.

[48:03] Nzinga Williams: How dare you? Okay, I would say.

[48:06] Nzinga Williams: How dare you? It's the 10 to 15 that really is disrespectful.

[48:11] Nzinga Williams: Um 50 times?

[48:15] Jason A. Coombs: It's the 10 to 15 that's disrespectful.

[48:19] Jason A. Coombs: So I got a margin of five, please.

[48:26] Jason A. Coombs: Question four. How many siblings did Diana have?

[48:29] Nzinga Williams: Well, it's not multiple choice. This is not multiple choice.

[48:33] Nzinga Williams: Okay, there's Sarah. I think it's just one.

[48:37] Jason A. Coombs: No, two.

[48:38] Nzinga Williams: You're close when you say two.

[48:40] Jason A. Coombs: Um, yes.

[48:42] Nzinga Williams: Oh my god. Correct.

[48:44] Jason A. Coombs: Three.

[48:45] Nzinga Williams: I googled all these questions. Her siblings are clue. She had Sarah, Jane, and Charles, yes. But she also had another, I think, brother. Um that was a stillborn. So technically four, right?

[48:58] Nzinga Williams: I know it's sad. I know I didn't mean to just bring down the She did not bring that up in her tapes that I listened to.

[49:06] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, the tapes? Babes. We will talk about the tapes.

[49:12] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, we have one more and then a fun bonus. What year did Diana get married to Prince Charles? A, 1980, B, 1981, C, 1985, D, 1986.

[49:24] Nzinga Williams: 1981.

[49:27] Jason A. Coombs: You are great. I would be failing every single by the way. I do want to just sidebar. This is the hardest game we've ever played on survival jobs.

[49:35] Nzinga Williams: I will say.

[49:38] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, I would I would probably only go one. I would be breaking out on all of these.

[49:41] Nzinga Williams: All of these.

[49:46] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah. Jason's.

[49:50] Nzinga Williams: The People's Princess.

[49:54] Jason A. Coombs: I love that. All right, and your bonus question. Which 1992 romantic thriller was Diana Woolworth just starring a sequel of. I'll give you a hint. It starred Kevin Costner and Ruby Houston.

[50:10] Nzinga Williams: The bodyguard?

[50:11] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, there was rumors. There was rumors of her making her movie debut.

[50:21] Nzinga Williams: Oh my god. What was Diana gonna do in that? I wonder.

[50:25] Jason A. Coombs: I am laughing.

[50:28] Nzinga Williams: Diana. The piano.

[50:33] Jason A. Coombs: Honestly, want to say you did a great job. I think you only missed one.

[50:39] Nzinga Williams: Really?

[50:40] Jason A. Coombs: Well, we gave you hints.

[50:43] Jason A. Coombs: Well, the People's Princess. We just wanted to honor your love of Diana the musical.

[50:48] Nzinga Williams: And I do. I I love Diana. Um, honestly, shout out to everybody who's working on that show because everybody is working hard. Capital H. Like very hard on the show. I know, like the company managers, the stage managers, everybody on stage, like they Ted Arthur, aka the conductor, who's aka, um Z. I mean, like everybody's working really hard on on it, and like so happy shout out, happy closing to Diana. By the time this episode comes out, we can't tell you to go see it because it's closing.

[51:22] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, unfortunately.

[51:23] Nzinga Williams: Also Netflix. You need a Netflix password. Just let me know. I can give you my mother's that DM us. She already shares it with half my friends, so slide in.

[51:37] Jason A. Coombs: Shout out to Donnie.

[51:38] Nzinga Williams: Sorry.

[51:39] Jason A. Coombs: Oh, shout out to your mom.

[51:41] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, big shout out. She's gonna be your listener in Trinidad.

[51:46] Jason A. Coombs: Yay!

[51:46] Nzinga Williams: Uh that's amazing. My mom's in Jamaica right now, so oh for real.

[51:51] Jason A. Coombs: Is that where you're from?

[51:52] Nzinga Williams: Yeah, come on, I learned sing boys.

[51:56] Jason A. Coombs: Okay, Zing Zinga, can you give us your Instagram again?

[51:59] Nzinga Williams: Yes, it's at Zing Zinga, as in who's got the keys to my Bima.

[52:04] Jason A. Coombs: Yes, we'll put that in the show notes.

[52:07] Nzinga Williams: So much my oldest brother used to do that. He'd be like, Zing Zinger, who gonna Ravima.

[52:13] Nzinga Williams: I really do want to say something when you said this before too. I don't get the reference, and I'm embarrassed, and I'm sorry. I didn't want to pretend before I like did a laugh and I was like, ha ha ha. And this time it came back around. I said, I just want to be honest. I don't get the reference, but I'll explain after.

[52:31] Nzinga Williams: Okay, thank you. God bless. I'm gonna send you as I want it.

[52:36] Jason A. Coombs: Yeah, we love our white friends.

[52:38] Nzinga Williams: We love our friends.

[52:40] Jason A. Coombs: I just want to be honest. I don't want to not be honest.

[52:43] Nzinga Williams: I appreciate you.

[52:44] Jason A. Coombs: Thank you.

[52:44] Nzinga Williams: I appreciate you too. I also want to sidebar and say, in Zynga texted me more than most people when I had COVID checking on me. So shout out to you. Love you so much. It sucks and it's so isolating. And it, you know.

[53:01] Nzinga Williams: It's gonna make sure my friends are good.

[53:03] Jason A. Coombs: Love you.

[53:03] Nzinga Williams: Of course. Thank you for sharing your morning with us. This was amazing. I cannot wait. Sam, before we go, can you tell everybody our social media?

[53:12] Samantha Tuozzolo: As usual, you can follow survival jobs on Instagram and Twitter at Survival Jobs Pod and on Facebook at Survival Jobs a podcast.

[53:22] Samantha Tuozzolo: And send us an email. Let us know your feedback. Survival jobs pod at gmail.com. Write a review. Following Zynga. Thank you so much. Stay safe out there and Merry Christmas. Happy holidays.

[53:32] Nzinga Williams: Merry Christmas. Happy holidays.

[53:36] Jason A. Coombs: Happy holidays, everyone.

[53:40] Jason A. Coombs: Happy New Year's too, y'all. And let's see. Yeah, here's to here's to know COVID in 2022.

[53:47] Nzinga Williams: Praise be.

[53:52] Jason A. Coombs: Thanks, Nzinga.