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[0:01] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Hi folks, welcome to Thesis on Joan.

[0:03] Meghan: This is season three, episode five, a special Tony Award edition.

[0:15] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Thesis on Joan is a podcast dedicated to amplifying voices from the LGBTQ community in the New York performing arts scene and examining the industry from a queer perspective.

[0:25] Meghan: Join us as we sit down with groundbreaking theater folks, both on stage and behind the curtain.

[0:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: For many queers, theater has been an escape, and this podcast looks to have open conversations on where we've come from and where we're headed as a community while queering the canon along the way.

[0:42] Meghan: Hey, Megan, happy end of awards season slash middle of pride.

[0:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I like that they actually coincide again.

[0:52] Meghan: That it's not like arbitrary Tony Awards in the middle of whenever they want it to be.

[0:58] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It feels right that it's together, right?

[1:00] Meghan: When was the it was it last fall?

[1:03] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I think so.

[1:04] Meghan: And I like I know I watched it, but it's so fully blocked out from my mind that I couldn't tell you like anything about it except the Aaron Tveit winning against no one.

[1:13] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[1:16] Meghan: That's all I remember.

[1:18] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh my gosh. You have to, I know we're gonna talk about award season, but you have to tell us a little bit about Hadestown and Korea.

[1:24] Meghan: Yeah, so I just got back from my trip to Korea.

[1:28] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I was there for two weeks.

[1:29] Meghan: Um, I went to Busan and I got to catch the Korean production of Hadestown, which was so incredible.

[1:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I'm so thankful I got to see it.

[1:38] Meghan: The cast was amazing.

[1:40] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Like, okay.

[1:42] Meghan: They're so smart, and I know I understand that like it would be very difficult to do this in New York because it's so expensive, but all the cast was at least double or triple cast.

[1:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So oh wow.

[1:53] Meghan: And it was a fairly short run. I think the run I saw was only like a month, and they still had double and triple casts of all the characters.

[2:01] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So everyone sounded so healthy, like so ready to do the show, very energized, right?

[2:09] Meghan: Um the theater was fairly new, it seemed.

[2:12] Harrow Sansom Thesis: We went it was at the Dream Theater in Busan, and just like the sound system. I'm like, oh wow, New York's sound system is trash because this feels like a rock concert.

[2:24] Meghan: And like I had just seen Hadestown in March in New York, right?

[2:27] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And then I was saying you just saw it.

[2:29] Meghan: Yeah, so I knew I was like very familiar with the show, and I'm like, the music did not like the bass of the music didn't vibrate my whole body like the way this theater did.

[2:40] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It was so it was amazing, and yeah, the cast was beautiful.

[2:43] Meghan: It was incredible to see a full cast of Korean folks.

[2:47] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um the whole show was in Korean, and I'm glad I had seen it recently, so I knew kind of what was going on.

[2:55] Meghan: Sure, yeah.

[2:56] Harrow Sansom Thesis: My poor friend Sam had not seen the show, and I was like, Oh, it's like the story of you know, you're ridiculous and Orpheus, you'll be fine.

[3:04] Meghan: And they were very confused.

[3:07] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, as much as we love Hadestown, it's not the easiest one to just follow along.

[3:12] Meghan: Yeah, so that's tricky.

[3:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I should have probably prepped them a little more, but it's you know the vocals are like the vocals are incredible.

[3:21] Meghan: The Hermes and the Orpheus were probably like the standout performers for me.

[3:28] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I do have to say, no one can be Patrick Page as much as Patrick Page.

[3:34] Meghan: How yeah, and that role is so him, and it's uh he and Amber Gray have been with the show since like the very first workshop.

[3:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I think.

[3:42] Meghan: And I feel like you can see that in those characters so much.

[3:45] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[3:46] Meghan: Um, but yeah, that's awesome.

[3:48] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I saw Amber Gray at New York Theater Workshop originally, but I didn't see her on Broadway.

[3:54] Meghan: But yeah, she's so special.

[3:56] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um unique and amazing.

[4:00] Meghan: Oh, and this was chilling to me. So we went to a matinee, right at two o'clock, the whole audience went silent.

[4:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They were just like, this is when the show begins.

[4:14] Meghan: There was like no education.

[4:17] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I feel like I would need to leave.

[4:19] Meghan: I would be so freaked out.

[4:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh my gosh, I love that.

[4:25] Meghan: It was it was awesome.

[4:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Like the people in the audience like were so excited to be there.

[4:30] Meghan: Like, I know Koreans love musical theater, and you could like feel it.

[4:34] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Mm-hmm.

[4:35] Meghan: Did they hold for five after that? Did people just sit silently for five minutes?

[4:40] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They did, yeah.

[4:40] Meghan: No, there was like a long period of silence.

[4:43] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Wow.

[4:44] Meghan: It's like you gotta get in the zone.

[4:46] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[4:49] Meghan: Oh, that's cool.

[4:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, everyone got entrance applause, everyone felt like rock stars or like the biggest Broadway legend you know.

[4:57] Meghan: It was it was amazing.

[4:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They had um two fat cast members that I was really surprised.

[5:03] Meghan: Like one of the fates and one of the ensemble members were fat.

[5:07] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yay.

[5:07] Meghan: Yeah.

[5:09] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They oh, the big the big change was that there wasn't a trapdoor.

[5:13] Meghan: Um that people made entrances and act and exits.

[5:17] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They used this big kind of like garage door thing in the uh upstage.

[5:22] Meghan: Um, but other than that, it was like a pretty much copycat of the Broadway staging and like costumes and everything.

[5:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, okay.

[5:30] Meghan: Yeah.

[5:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Did it do that set change where like the walls come out when they go to and it was a higher, it was a taller stage than Broadway too, so it looked very epic when it happened.

[5:44] Meghan: Nice.

[5:45] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[5:46] Meghan: How about so the everyone's quiet at exactly two o'clock?

[5:50] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Was there anything different about like the way the show ended or how people do applause at the end?

[5:55] Meghan: No, everyone I think stood immediately there.

[5:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It was weird because some of the songs got applause and some didn't.

[6:05] Meghan: But it seemed like everyone knew when not to applaud when I was like about ready to, and then I'm like, oh no, we're not doing it.

[6:13] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Okay.

[6:14] Meghan: You're like, wait, and okay.

[6:16] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, I don't know what that difference was, but it was just a very, very like enthusiastic, highly energized audience for a matinee.

[6:24] Meghan: That's so cool.

[6:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Did you know it was gonna be there?

[6:27] Meghan: I didn't until I got there.

[6:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Like I knew I had been following Cherry, who's the PSM of A Strange Loop, Cherry B Tay, and she had PSM'd the production in Seoul of Hadestown, and I thought it was just over.

[6:44] Meghan: And then I was looking around to see oh, I saw ads for it.

[6:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um there were like flags all over Busan um advertising for it, and I'm like, wait, is this happening?

[6:55] Meghan: And then they found it online.

[6:57] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[6:57] Meghan: Wow.

[7:00] Harrow Sansom Thesis: How serendipitous.

[7:00] Meghan: Yeah.

[7:02] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Marketing works.

[7:04] Meghan: Yeah, marketing does work.

[7:04] Harrow Sansom Thesis: There was also like um a large display out in the front that was like today's cast, and it had headshots of all the actors that were performing that day.

[7:14] Meghan: And they had like a lineup of people to be able to take pictures with it.

[7:19] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And it was it was like wrapped around the theater.

[7:23] Meghan: It was so long.

[7:24] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um everyone wanted to like take a picture with it.

[7:27] Meghan: With just the headshot board, not the actual people.

[7:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[7:30] Meghan: Just the headshot board.

[7:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I love that.

[7:32] Meghan: Yeah.

[7:32] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I love a headshot board.

[7:34] Meghan: We need to do that.

[7:35] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[7:36] Meghan: I feel like off off-Broadway shows do that, but not really Broadway.

[7:41] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[7:42] Meghan: When we were getting we were leaving, we were trying to figure out how to get to the subway.

[7:47] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, I heard like screaming from a bunch of people, and I'm like, oh, it's like the stage door, and I like ran over because I'm like, what is this like?

[7:54] Meghan: And then I don't know what happened, but there was no one there.

[7:58] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, okay.

[7:59] Meghan: So might not have been stage door.

[8:02] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[8:03] Meghan: Maybe someone came out, but then they didn't like stick around.

[8:06] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Those are the highlights.

[8:07] Meghan: I just wanted to.

[8:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: If you can go see a Korean production at the Dream Theater, highly recommend it.

[8:14] Meghan: And what was coming up?

[8:15] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Was it Jekyll and Hyde or Yeah, which I'm very sad I didn't see because I love Jekyll and Hyde.

[8:21] Meghan: So maybe, you know, I don't know.

[8:23] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I probably won't ever get to see it.

[8:25] Meghan: But if you're in Busan, you should go.

[8:27] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I don't know.

[8:28] Meghan: I hear the um Frank Wildhorn does very he's that's a Frank Wildhorn show, right?

[8:33] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[8:34] Meghan: No.

[8:34] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[8:34] Meghan: Yeah.

[8:34] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It does very well in Korea, so I don't know.

[8:38] Meghan: I feel like the odds of you seeing Jekyll and Hyde are stronger than seeing Hadestown again.

[8:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So that's true.

[8:44] Meghan: Um my brother-in-law, my Korean brother-in-law, we were in his car for one of the first times in 2019, and he was like playing a playlist, and he had two different versions of This Is the Moment from Jekyll and Hyde in his playlist.

[9:00] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I mean, why not three, right?

[9:04] Meghan: One was like just instrumental, and one was like a person singing it in Korean.

[9:10] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So he just must really love that song.

[9:12] Meghan: It's a really good song.

[9:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So I don't I don't hold it against him at all.

[9:19] Meghan: Oh, that's so cool.

[9:20] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I'm so glad he got to do that.

[9:22] Meghan: Thank you.

[9:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, me too.

[9:23] Meghan: Uh and you got to see A Strange Loop again.

[9:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: How was that?

[9:27] Meghan: I mean, it was amazing.

[9:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I will go see that show at least once for every thought, I feel like.

[9:35] Meghan: And I was going with uh my friend and my wife, and they had both they were both seeing it for the first time.

[9:41] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So I hadn't talked to him about it too much.

[9:44] Meghan: And we got in and we had that experience of like when you've seen a show and you open your playbill and the little like understudy things fall out, and I'm like, oh yes, you know, and they were like, Oh man.

[9:57] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um but I was incredibly excited because I got to see Kyle Freeman, um, who is one of the understudies for Usher go on, and he I I've never seen him perform before.

[10:09] Meghan: So he was playing Asaka on the Once on This Island tour.

[10:13] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, so I was like, okay, cool.

[10:15] Meghan: This guy's gonna be able to sing, and like holy shit, his voice was incredible, and it was just cool to see like another like black queer person bring a very different take on that role.

[10:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: You know what I mean?

[10:31] Meghan: It's like it was so rich and amazing, and very much like that actor.

[10:37] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, I'm just saying he optioned up some of the songs, and I was losing my mind.

[10:41] Meghan: That's incredible.

[10:43] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, he was great.

[10:44] Meghan: I mean, we still love Jaquel Spivey, right?

[10:47] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Like he's incredible too.

[10:48] Meghan: But it was it was awesome to see Kyle Freeman.

[10:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I also got to see uh John Michael Reese understudy thought number six.

[10:58] Meghan: So um Antoine Hopper, who typically does like the Inwood Daddy stuff and everything.

[11:04] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, and he was awesome too.

[11:06] Meghan: So now I'm just like I need to collect them all with the understudies.

[11:10] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So many understudies.

[11:12] Meghan: There, yeah, there's four different ones, two different people understudy Usher.

[11:17] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, and I'm very interested to see uh Mars Rucker who understudies thought one, two, three, but they identify as genderqueer, and I think it would just be really cool to see someone, you know, who identifies like that as one of the thoughts.

[11:33] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[11:34] Meghan: So yeah, it was it was great.

[11:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, and we're gonna talk more about that as we get into our Tony discussion.

[11:40] Meghan: Oh good. I was trying to do the math of with all the understudies playing all the roles. If you got to see each one play each role, like how many times you'd have to see the show. Oh my gosh. We will figure out that math.

[11:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I got to see Fat Ham this past weekend, which you haven't seen yet, so I'm not gonna spoil it, but I'm so excited though. It is so wonderful, and it's a great show to see for pride if you haven't. It got extended, so now it's open until July 17th. So if you haven't seen it, you should definitely go. It's really great to see in conversation with Strange Loop. There's a lot of overarching themes, but a totally different approach. Um, it's very it's so funny, but also very moving, and it has a really amazing ending. Yeah, I can't wait for you to see it so we can talk more about it. Cannot wait. Yes, very grateful it extended. I have a feeling if they can, they'll extend it even further. So everyone should grab a ticket.

[12:34] Meghan: Did you see anything else?

[12:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I didn't see anything else. No, that was it. Oh, I did see um, this isn't queer at all, though it should be. I the day I saw Fat Ham, I also won the lottery for Six. So I had a two show day. I got to see Six and Fat Ham. It was a very good theater day. All those women should be queer um together is my thought.

[12:57] Meghan: Right. It is queer, but it's not.

[12:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. And I also had a couple swings understudies who Abby Mueller was out, and one of the other original women was out. And so we had an all POC cast too, and that was awesome.

[13:13] Meghan: That's so cool.

[13:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, it's so fun. If you can see it, go see it. Keep playing that lottery. That's what I'm gonna do.

[13:18] Meghan: Never as lucky as you though, Holly.

[13:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh no. I really do think it's just persistence in numbers. Uh yeah. I was just gonna switch to like upcoming events. We wanted to shout out BroadwayCon is coming. It's gonna be July 8th through the 10th at the Manhattan Center in the New Yorker Hotel. If you are going, we want you to check out the this panel that has a lot of our past guests. Uh it's called Dreaming the Queer Future, T TGNC Representation and Playwrights in the American Theater. So this is put on by uh the Dramatist Guild and National Queer Theater, and it's in conversation with Elle Morgan. Incredibly exciting. Um, and it includes past podcast guest, Roger Q Mason. I would say past podcast favorite. Um, this episode was so great with the New Vision Fellows.

So the New Vision Fellows are also a part of this. Ayla Swan Chi Sullivan, Nick Hadika Moloku, who were also on the podcast with Roger uh last year. So this conversation will dream of Broadway to come. The possibilities for an American theater that is more inclusive to the stories of trans, gender non-conforming, and queer people. Perspective of the absence of these stories on Broadway and what it takes to get there. So definitely recommend you check that out on Sunday.

[14:37] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Another theater event you can check out is Dixon Place's Hot Festival. That's gonna be in July 2022. It's theater, dance, music, trans media, and homoeroticism for the whole family.

[14:49] Meghan: Oh, love that.

[14:50] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. We'll be posting more information about that on our social, so keep an eye on it there. All right, should we switch to our our Tony Award conversation?

[15:00] Meghan: Let's do it. So we are recording this on Monday, June 13th. And last night was a very exciting and emotion-filled evening for all of us, I think.

[15:11] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. I was sweating. I was very nervous. I feel like it's been a while since I felt so passionately about a show. So maybe not since Fun Home. I had to like physically get up and leave the room a couple times, which we could talk about those times. I was struggling with that.

[15:29] Meghan: Yeah. Well, where should we start? Should we talk about like I mean, going going back to even before the Tonys, were there any nominations that felt surprising to you or like snubs that you noticed?

[15:44] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I feel like the biggest one is like, why don't we have a best ensemble category?

[15:49] Meghan: Yes.

[15:50] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Right. We need that desperately, and we will keep bringing it up until it happens. It's so important. Strange Loop, For Colored Girls. Ugh, such great ensembles that need all of them recognized. Company and from what I saw of Paradise Square, like it would have been a tough category this year if there was an ensemble award. Six.

[16:12] Meghan: Yeah, Six too.

[16:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I think the biggest snub, and I don't it's not that I necessarily think I don't know. Jury's out for me on whether or not she should have got nominated, but is Katrina Link from Company.

[16:26] Meghan: Mm-hmm.

[16:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I know a lot of people were upset about that. But I mean, looking back at our conversation about Company, Katrina was never like my favorite thing about it. So yeah, but I would have said as an ensemble, they were great.

[16:41] Meghan: Mm-hmm.

[16:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I wouldn't have wanted the outcome of leading actress to have been different either.

[16:47] Meghan: Right.

[16:48] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Very good point. And I haven't the only performance I've actually seen from the best leading actress in a musical is Carolina Change, and she was phenomenal, so I'm glad she got nominated. And she's coming back next year in um Death of a Salesman.

[17:05] Meghan: Oh, cool.

[17:07] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, so I'm excited to see Sharon D. Clark. But yeah, in terms of the nominations, I feel like because it's that weird year where there were quite a few things, but some of them were holdovers from like before the pandemic, some were new. I think next Tony's is gonna be really aggressive because it's a lot of shows that have like waited. I don't know what they're waiting for, but they waited to come back. But yeah, so it was it was an interesting mix. I feel like all of these shows are so incredibly different.

[17:40] Meghan: Mm-hmm. I r I remember you said this last time we talked about the Tonys. Is it like Girl from North Country felt so random?

[17:48] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. I haven't seen it unfortunately, but I'm like, oh, I feel like this opened so long ago.

[17:54] Meghan: It did.

[17:55] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It really did. It opened in March 2020.

[17:58] Meghan: Wow.

[17:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So we're over two years later after their opening night. Yeah, and I think they did the they did the best they could, thinking about it more as like the actual production of the Tonys. I think they did the best they could to make it make sense. Except for our biggest complaint, right? Which is the split broadcast.

[18:15] Meghan: Right.

[18:18] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, but let's talk about how it's set up, right? So you had to watch the first act one on a Paramount Plus account, right?

[18:29] Meghan: Mm-hmm.

[18:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Did you have was that free? Because we have like a paid, but it's like the minimum paid version. So we have because we're old. We we have like the premium so we can watch our Sunday morning program CD CBS Sunday morning. But like it's so weird to me that there's tiers of Paramount Plus and you had to have like peak tier to watch the Tonys.

[18:54] Meghan: Yeah.

[18:54] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, I don't I don't get that at all. Um I also like it took me forever. This is our fault because we were traveling, but like it took us forever just to like get the app started and set up. So by the time I got on, I actually missed the first award, which went to Six.

[19:13] Meghan: Oh yeah.

[19:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: We got on it pretty easily, but then I was trying to figure out how we watched the second part while the first part was happening, and I feel like I wasn't paying enough attention.

[19:25] Meghan: Right.

[19:25] Harrow Sansom Thesis: To that section. And yeah, it's funny because um they gave you like that ten minute window to switch over. Like this is just for like all the olds and me who are like, I need time to adjust my technology to not miss the Tonys.

[19:42] Meghan: Do the youngs have Paramount Plus premium subscriptions?

[19:46] Harrow Sansom Thesis: No. I don't think so. I mean Yeah. And and the other so I don't have the premium Paramount Plus. I had to get access to CBS. And it's different this year 'cause normally or in the past I've had to subscribe to a free trial for like CBS's app. And this year I had to subscribe to a free trial to this app called FUBO.

[20:09] Meghan: Oh, sure.

[20:11] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So that was new. And I was already with my like fifth email address to start my new CBS account. And I didn't really need to do that, but they're like actively making it impossible to watch the Tonys. And I I don't get it. Like why even do the first hour if it's like I feel like they're almost like, you're welcome. This is a courtesy. And it makes me so sad it's all the creatives because those are already the jobs that like theater kids don't know exist. And they're just shoved into this first hour. And if you didn't watch the Paramount Plus before you watch the broadcast, you would have no idea that Six won any Tony Awards.

[20:53] Meghan: Yeah.

[20:54] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It shocked me that best score was included in that first hour. Like that feels like a very big award.

[21:00] Meghan: Yeah.

[21:01] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I don't I I would love to hear somebody's logic on why that happened.

[21:05] Meghan: Yeah. Oh, but they put best book in the regular.

[21:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Right.

[21:09] Meghan: Yeah. Those should go in the same area.

[21:11] Harrow Sansom Thesis: That doesn't make any sense. I know, I feel bad too because like the Six, as we were talking about, we were texting about the Six writing team is very queer, and it would be awesome to have just them visually on broadcast TV and be like, here are the people that made this show. But yeah, it was it was also like I know we were both extremely stressed in that first hour. And I even like I texted our friend Carolyn. I'm like, I'm not feeling good about these Tonys. And her response was like, wait, don't they start at eight? So I think a lot of people a lot of people were on that train too.

[21:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So sad. And we forgot to shout out in the nominations that there were some some kind of breakthrough things that happened with Elle Morgan Lee being uh nominated, who's the first openly trans performer. Adam Rigg was the first agender nominee for the Tonies, and they're a scenic designer, and Tony Marlowe became the first non-binary composer to earn it or to be nominated and win uh a Tony for Six. And the Tonies really wanted to make sure you knew that they did that.

[22:23] Meghan: Yep.

[22:25] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It was like that, and then the um the Patty Lapone, uh Chris Harper pays my salary jokes.

[22:32] Meghan: Oh yeah.

[22:33] Harrow Sansom Thesis: We're just so overdone. Take a shot every time.

[22:36] Meghan: It was at least six shots.

[22:40] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, I know we both felt while we were texting about I love the visibility, you know, but every time they're like, and you know, Elle Morgan, the first uh openly transgender nominee, uh you can just see her being like, Yeah, okay. Like fifth time you brought it up. Like in it's I don't know. I and she's so gracious and wonderful, but it just kept putting her in this like weird, didn't we do good because she's here like thing? I don't know.

[23:11] Meghan: Yeah, it cheapens it cheapens it. It's like, oh, she's here because we've like allowed her to be, not because how fucking talented she is.

[23:20] Meghan: Yeah, yeah. It was it felt kind of not the way I wanted it to feel for her. And I don't like Ariana DeBose as the host, uh, I definitely want to touch on that.

[23:33] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I loved her, I thought she was incredible. Oh my gosh. Why have anyone else ever do it again?

[23:38] Meghan: Right? I don't so good, so entertaining, so charismatic, able to carry some material that I felt like wasn't as great as her.

[23:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Totally. Yeah, she really just leaned into everything super hard.

[23:54] Meghan: And I think it was like on Vox, I saw someone say that like they didn't like her, that she was like trying too hard, and I heartily disagree. It's the Tonys, it's all about trying to like what are you talking about?

[24:07] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. And she sang the crap out of those fake songs that they wrote, and she danced all over the place.

[24:16] Meghan: Yeah, I don't her audience interaction bits were like genuinely funny and authentic. Um I would have been so excited to see her as like a child in Ohio, like a young person. I would have been so excited to see her host the Tonys.

[24:33] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh my gosh. Right. And like they didn't even does she ever really say anything about herself being queer during it?

[24:40] Meghan: I don't think so. Yeah, that would have been cool. But yeah, does she oh does she kiss someone?

[24:46] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I remember there oh no it was some of the dancers and the opening number. But then the queer moment I missed where someone kissed her. You have to shout that out. Uh right before they're like after an award and it was like Ariana was saying stick around this and this and this is coming up and Sarah Silverman was standing behind her and she leaned down and kissed Ariana's bare shoulder and I'm like yes I am I am here for this.

[25:13] Meghan: Yeah that was that was funny. I was very sad to have missed that.

[25:18] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I'm sure you can find it. Rewatch.

[25:20] Meghan: I'll rewatch on Paramount Plus just for that moment. You know we take any little bit of queerness we can find.

[25:28] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yep. But there was a lot of queerness there was a lot.

[25:31] Meghan: I was gonna say we didn't have to dig too much for it in this one.

[25:34] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. The composers and directors of Six, uh I loved their outfits were amazing.

[25:40] Meghan: Yeah that made me happy. It was like it was funny thinking about like the queer moments too because I'm I'm also realizing that it's only the I'm only remembering the queer queer I'm using quotes for this moments that I wanted because I was watching this with uh my wife's family and when Take Me Out won, they were like oh another gay show one I'm like no but that one doesn't count I'm like not that kind of gay show.

[26:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: How I Learned to Drive should have won.

[26:42] Meghan: It's true I was very that was the one I had to get up and leave for I was disappointed about that.

[26:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I didn't even see Paula there. Did you see her?

[26:42] Meghan: Or just yeah I don't I don't know she was I'm sure she was there, but I'm I I didn't see Take Me Out either, so I can't really talk about it.

[26:41] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I remember reading it in college and being like, this is outdated then.

[26:44] Meghan: So yeah. And I love like Jesse Tyler Ferguson. I think he's great. Whatever.

[26:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, I was happy he won.

[26:47] Meghan: Yeah. It's not, yeah, I don't wish any ill will on Take Me Out. I just wanted Just wanted How I Learned to Drive to win.

[26:47] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And they didn't walk away with anything.

[26:49] Meghan: No, I don't think so.

[26:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: You know who did though? MJ, where did that come from?

[26:54] Meghan: That was a shock. And I haven't seen it, so you know, I was like, you know, maybe it's incredible. Um, but you you have seen it. I'd love to hear your take.

[27:03] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And it's not, I mean, I saw it a couple weeks before it opened, so things could have changed. And I think what I want to touch on for this is um Miles Frost, who plays MJ, is incredibly talented. Like he is one of the most charismatic performers I've ever seen on stage.

[27:21] Meghan: But I feel like it's you see this in all award shows, not just the Tonys. It's like not a good tactic to award the best thing in a bad thing.

[27:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I feel like that happens a lot with award shows. You know, someone will get nominated, because I was thinking about um uh Jared Grimes, I believe his name is, who is in Funny Girl. He was like the best thing in an okay show, right? But like I feel like that's what happened when Miles Frost and he ended up winning.

[27:52] Meghan: I don't know. I i it's just because you're the best thing in a bad thing doesn't mean you need to get like rewarded for doing that. I don't think I'm not saying this eloquently, but No, I get it.

[28:06] Harrow Sansom Thesis: But I also feel like I've seen some shows where I'm like, oh, they really were the best thing, and I want them to be recognized for that, even though the rest of the piece wasn't up to the same level.

[28:18] Meghan: I mean, again, this is coming from bias because I didn't want him to win.

[28:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[28:24] Meghan: I wanted Jaquel to win, Jaquel Spivy, but he's still young.

[28:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, yeah. He's around. So he's still giving an incredible performance.

[28:35] Meghan: All the Strange Loop losses felt pretty baffling to me.

[28:40] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. And performance and score.

[28:43] Meghan: Yeah. Um, I don't understand. As fun as Six's score makes no sense because like those are very danceable fun pop songs, but if you're looking at a score for musical theater that drives plot and like it builds character development, you know what I mean?

[29:02] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Like, I don't I don't understand how it was even a contest between the two. I think it has such a strong following and like it's gonna tour so well that I think you know, the touring venues were just excited to have something.

[29:17] Meghan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they won Best Direction too.

[29:21] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Best uh costumes, best costumes.

[29:24] Meghan: What won Best Direction?

[29:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh Company.

[29:27] Meghan: Oh yeah. I love Marion Elliott.

[29:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. I mean, yeah, Company's good.

[29:32] Meghan: Yeah. I love Carolina Change too, but Company's classic.

[29:37] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And after coming out of a year where we lost Stephen Sondheim, that makes sense. Yeah, it's a great production. It deserves a win.

[29:44] Meghan: I love that you texted me. I can't believe I'm sad that Patti LuPone won.

[29:50] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh I was really hoping and thought El Morgan had a really good chance. Especially with all the talk that they were doing, right? It's like it was amazing to see Joaquina Kalukango win and have Daniel Brooks and Cynthia Erivo just like lose it. That was so sweet.

[30:07] Meghan: I didn't see they didn't show them when they announced it, right? Like I just heard them, but you could hear like how excited they were. And like when she got up there, like they were all crying. I was like, this is so great.

[30:21] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. And her speech was one of the best of the night for sure.

[30:25] Meghan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Were there any performances that stood out to you in particular?

[30:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh I really enjoyed the Six performance because I had just seen it and there were a couple of people I hadn't seen who were performing, so it was fun to see that. Uh and I'm just really in love with the score right now and listening to it a lot. Um yeah.

[30:46] Meghan: And I liked the Paradise Square performance. It made me really want to see the show. And then I wanted to see it before this, but now I'm like, oh yes, I must see that show.

[30:54] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Totally. I like that they just let her like do her thing. Like get out there and just sing.

[31:00] Meghan: Yeah, I hope they sold some tickets off that performance because as CBS is not so subtly showing us that that's all they're really trying to do with this show.

[31:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um Yeah, and this I really like what they did with the Strange Loop performance because they tried to show like the self-loathing and like the him like questioning his black identity. So like the way they kind of compiled the book scene together with the song, I thought was really cool.

[31:27] Meghan: Yeah. I think they edited some of the more Oh, they did.

[31:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[31:36] Meghan: Oh, that's different.

[31:37] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. I can't see raunchy on CBS.

[31:41] Meghan: Yeah. And I'm sorry to keep throwing my in-laws like in this, but like as they were performing, they were like, who's this show for? And I'm like, that's what I'm scared of. You know, and it's I just hope that um people saw that performance and were inspired to go see the show.

[31:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Right. It's it's for everyone. And yeah, I hope it invited people in.

[32:05] Meghan: Yeah. One performance that didn't made me not want to see it was Mr. Saturday Night.

[32:11] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh you texted me something like I would have to leave this show.

[32:18] Meghan: I was like, oh, I really want to see this to see Shoshana Bean, but I don't know if I could handle the rest of the show. It's just so just Billy Crystal being a crystal.

[32:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. But that's that hands down sold tickets. You know it did.

[32:33] Meghan: Oh yeah. Yeah. I just will not participate in the audience sing along.

[32:39] Harrow Sansom Thesis: No, they gave the boomers what they wanted with that.

[32:41] Meghan: Yeah. I think some something I have to just shout out that I will find continually funny until the end of time is how every year they just seem to let more and more people co-produce shows. And you get to the Company wins and you're like, here are 600 people who gave us money. And they're all elbowing and like trying to like sh literally sprint down the aisle so they're in the camera view and angling their head. I'm like, this is this is gold. Like this is the show.

[33:17] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Did you ever see the Dear Evan Hansen um picture for that?

[33:23] Meghan: No, I don't think so.

[33:25] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, we should link to it in our show notes. Uh there was a Dear Evan Hansen, like when they won, they had a ton of co-pros, so many co-pros, and they were all sitting together, and there was this couple, um, and they were like not involved in shows at all.

[33:28] Meghan: Um and they were in the aisle and they got pushed up on stage and they ended up being like directly next to Stacey Mindich.

[33:52] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It's I'm gonna find it. It's so good. And it just shows you like the lead producers standing next to these two people she doesn't know and thanking them for co-producing the show.

[34:04] Meghan: So it's beautiful.

[34:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh my gosh. It's so there was a lot of co-pros for Company, and then what was the other one? Strange Loop had a lot of people too. It's weird to me that Jennifer Hudson also became an EGOT last night.

[34:22] Meghan: But you got it, your T from producing, which I feel like it's a little bit unfair.

[34:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yep.

[34:34] Meghan: Do you see this picture?

[34:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Okay, so which ones are the new are the wrong people?

[34:39] Meghan: It's the guy with his arms out and his wife's behind him in the blue dress with the collar.

[34:43] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It's so good. They're directly to the left of the lead producer, they're in front of Ben Platt.

[34:51] Meghan: Are they Asian?

[34:53] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh my god.

[34:53] Meghan: Yeah.

[34:54] Harrow Sansom Thesis: That's fucking ridiculous.

[34:55] Meghan: They were they were on vacation, like they weren't even like they don't live here.

[35:01] Meghan: Oh, this made their life. Like they're going to be. Oh, it's so crappy. If you go watch the speech later, he keeps doing things with his arms, like, whoa. You would never know, but it's the best thing ever. That's gold. I love it so much. The danger of having too many copros, you're not gonna know who the hell they are. Anyway. Wow. The more you know. Was there um did any of the performances stand out to you or make you want to see things you hadn't seen?

[35:32] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I mean, I've been wanting to see Six, so I guess that doesn't count, but they put on a great televised performance, so it was awesome. I had only been listening to the London recording, and so it's different. The Broadway show is different. There's more music too, which is exciting.

[35:48] Meghan: Oh, nice.

[35:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to see that one day. Um and Paradise Square.

[35:53] Meghan: Yeah, I was surprised by that. Um the new ragtime, as you will.

[35:57] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, we have to shout out Carolyn because she's our friend and needs to be on the podcast.

[36:03] Meghan: Yeah, and she really wants to make sure that we say that she said things first.

[36:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. The new ragtime.

[36:11] Meghan: Which I am skeptical, but we will see.

[36:14] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. There's no such thing, but uh it did not make me want to see The Music Man.

[36:21] Meghan: Also, did you see Hugh Jackman has COVID now?

[36:24] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yes.

[36:26] Meghan: Oh my god. But that whole like inner ring at the front of the theater just covered in COVID.

[36:31] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[36:32] Meghan: And oh, I love Ruth. I already loved Ruthie Ann Miles so much, but just the fact that she was like one of the only people wearing a mask, I'm just like, oh my heart.

[36:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, she's the best.

[36:43] Meghan: Yeah. Oh, also in Korea, everyone wears masks all the time, even outside.

[36:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It was like a huge culture shock to come back here and like no one's wearing masks.

[36:54] Meghan: Did you feel like you were like the right wing person not wearing a mask outside?

[36:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. No, we would take our masks off as soon as we got outside, and like no one like gave us a hard time about it, but everyone else was wearing masks. It was yeah.

[37:07] Meghan: Wow. I mean, take a note, America. Lucy and Miles holding it down at the Tonys. So thank you.

[37:11] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Always.

[37:13] Meghan: And um, how about that Spring Awakening performance?

[37:16] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, I enjoyed it. What'd you I think your show? So what'd you think?

[37:20] Meghan: It was super fun. I'm glad they did it. I'm like, this is for like 10 people. That's what should have been in the first hour, right?

[37:27] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, yeah. But as soon as I did that song, like it started, I'm like, oh, they want Skylar ass in this thing because everyone knows who he is. But I they sounded great. Honestly, probably a lot of them have better voices now than they did.

[37:40] Meghan: Yeah.

[37:41] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I wish they would make this like a formal section. Like last year they did Wicked and some other shows to like Rent. They should just have like a throwback every year.

[37:50] Meghan: I love that idea.

[37:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Oh, who would you want it to be?

[37:53] Meghan: Who would be your number one?

[37:54] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh well, they did Ragtime last year, but I want like more of a Ragtime reunion.

[37:59] Meghan: Yeah, all of Ragtime.

[38:00] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, Light in the Piazza.

[38:03] Meghan: That's probably not gonna happen.

[38:05] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Also for ten people.

[38:06] Meghan: Yeah. What would yours be?

[38:09] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I mean, probably Spring Awakening, so I'm glad that happened. Just for fun, I'd love a Jekyll and Hyde reunion just because it would be so hilarious.

[38:19] Meghan: I couldn't believe you didn't say that first time around.

[38:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yep.

[38:23] Meghan: Wait, for it. Not David Hasselhoff.

[38:26] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Or like several of the Jekyll and Hides, because you gotta get Sebastian Bach in there too. Like Jimmy Award style, or just a row of different Jekyll and then we get different Lucy's, so we could call in Sexton in there.

[38:41] Meghan: Yeah.

[38:42] Harrow Sansom Thesis: That would be fun. Oh, I do want a Parade revival.

[38:45] Meghan: So sure.

[38:47] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I'll have a better answer for this one day.

[38:49] Meghan: Well, Fun Home, obviously, too.

[38:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[38:52] Meghan: But it's like so too recent, right?

[38:55] Harrow Sansom Thesis: It's gonna be like revivable before we know it.

[38:58] Meghan: Love the word revivable.

[39:01] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I can't believe there's been a Spring Awakening revival already.

[39:04] Meghan: Right, like come and gone a while ago.

[39:07] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Oh, that's what they should have done. They should have had some of the cast from that production there too.

[39:12] Meghan: Yeah. Next year. We'll just do a different Spring Awakening. Start getting regional theaters in there too.

[39:18] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, maybe like a Gypsy reunion where we have again all the Mama Roses that are still around.

[39:26] Meghan: That would be cool.

[39:27] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I feel like we're coming up with some really great content. Paramount Plus.

[39:32] Meghan: I hope Angela Lansbury's okay because I want her to be there for it too.

[39:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Also, we have to say it every time. Bernadette Peters is just ageless.

[39:41] Meghan: I can't. Every time she's on stage, I'm just like, she looks amazing.

[39:46] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. She sounded great. I like the tribute they did for Sondheim.

[39:50] Meghan: Mm-hmm.

[39:51] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And it was simple and sweet.

[39:53] Meghan: Yeah.

[39:53] Harrow Sansom Thesis: They didn't like make the whole night about him directly, which is probably not what he would have wanted.

[40:00] Meghan: So how do I know what Sondheim wanted?

[40:04] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I really liked Billy Porter's um in memoriam section too.

[40:10] Meghan: Yeah, my friend Vinny was actually in it. His picture was in it. So that was really special too.

[40:18] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And I know that he would have said, like, wow, I died a good year because there were only like 10 people.

[40:23] Meghan: People would have remembered me. Last year was a lot of people.

[40:27] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Well, COVID.

[40:29] Meghan: Yeah.

[40:30] Harrow Sansom Thesis: But I'm glad that that is still part of the broadcast because I remember there was a time when they were talking about taking it out.

[40:36] Meghan: But I think community needs like cathartic moments like that. It's nice.

[40:41] Harrow Sansom Thesis: What I was watching some comedy where it was like a dead actress or someone in the industry got to see their photo in the in memoriam section and they were really mad about it.

[40:54] Meghan: They're like, That's it. I get like a three second video.

[40:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I forget what it is now, but it was funny.

[41:02] Meghan: Oh, that is funny.

[41:03] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Oh, and I really liked the feature they did about the playwrights and having them get to talk about their shows.

[41:10] Meghan: Oh yeah, that was cool.

[41:12] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I remember in the past they had more things like that where they m had the playwrights talk about their shows.

[41:18] Meghan: And it's like, why don't you this make sense? They're they wrote it. They can tell us about it.

[41:24] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Any other Tony dreams for the future besides hopefully not an all white nominee crew next year?

[41:32] Meghan: Yeah. I mean, it was nice like I felt like this season was more diverse than we've seen before.

[41:38] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I just hope it continues, you know.

[41:40] Meghan: Um I'd love for it to be more diverse outside of just black and white too.

[41:45] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah.

[41:46] Meghan: But I don't know. I think we're headed in a direction.

[41:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I just hope it stays.

[41:51] Meghan: Yeah. I hope it accelerates.

[41:53] Harrow Sansom Thesis: I'm sad Al Morgan didn't win, but this other trans woman who was up did win.

[41:59] Meghan: You know, I'd like to have multiple queer horses to back in the race.

[42:04] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah. Definitely. And like the most visible folks are the more diverse are the actors, but where the more diverse producers and directors and yeah, writers like that, we're not seeing that yet.

[42:19] Meghan: It was fun to watch it though, in like real time and feel like, you know, if we could just enjoy theater being theater and complain about theater and

[42:32] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And it always flies by for me. Like I don't know why they feel like they needed to keep that extra hour separate, because I'm like, it was four hours, but I was in it the whole time.

[42:42] Meghan: Yeah.

[42:43] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And like in terms of other award shows, it's so performance heavy. It's like plenty of entertainment.

[42:48] Meghan: Yeah.

[42:49] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So wrapping up, we wanted to share our action of the up in queer gives section. Um I just wanted to share that with you know all the recent mass shootings that have been happening, uh, I know I've been feeling really kind of helpless and extremely frustrated and angry about what's happening in our government.

[43:09] Meghan: And something I read recently that helped me uh feel a little better was from this epidemiologist, uh Katelyn Jetelina. She has a substack called Your Local Epidemiologist, and I started following her because she was writing a lot about COVID.

[43:25] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Her tagline is translating public health science for everyday use.

[43:29] Meghan: And I didn't realize that that also included things like firearms and uh reproductive rights.

[43:35] Harrow Sansom Thesis: So she writes about um a wealth of topics that I find really interesting. And she had one called recently called Firearms, What You Can Do Right Now.

[43:43] Meghan: I don't know if folks are air are familiar with the Swiss cheese method of fighting COVID.

[43:48] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Um, but it's basically like if you think of slices of Swiss cheese, it they have holes in them, right? But if you line them up as like different layers of defense against something, things that go through the holes eventually get stopped because the holes don't line up.

[44:05] Meghan: And there's some really good graphics of this.

[44:08] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And she made one for uh reducing firearm death and kind of compared it to like car crash death, where uh a while ago a ton of people were dying from car crashes, and then we instituted all these kind of like smaller changes, like a Swiss cheese method, and then it cut down on uh vehicle death dramatically.

[44:28] Meghan: So she kind of goes into all the different ways that we can be fighting or fighting for gun reform to make our world, our country specifically a little safer.

[44:36] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Uh so I'm we're gonna link to that in the show notes.

[44:39] Meghan: Yeah, thank you for sharing that, Holly. The visual is extremely helpful. Encourage people to click and see more about that.

[44:46] Harrow Sansom Thesis: We also want to shout out Everytown Support Fund.

[44:49] Meghan: So the Everytown for Gun Safety Support Fund is the education, research, and litigation arm of Everytown for Gun Safety, the largest gun violence prevention organization in the country.

[44:59] Harrow Sansom Thesis: This is from their website. We build awareness about the complexities of gun violence in America so that every person, policymakers, volunteers, cultural influencers, business leaders, and more can learn about the issues and become part of the solutions.

[45:13] Meghan: So we have links in the show notes where you can sign up to volunteer in your community with Everytown Support Fund, or there's ways that you can donate to support the fund.

[45:22] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Thanks for hanging out with us for our special Tony Award edition of Thesis on Joan.

[45:27] Meghan: Yeah, if you have your own Tony rants or raves that you want to share, please please let us know.

[45:32] Harrow Sansom Thesis: And enjoy the rest of Pride.

[45:34] Meghan: Happy Pride.

[45:35] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Happy Pride.

[45:38] Meghan: Thanks for listening. If you like, please follow, rate, and review us, and share us with your friends.

[45:43] Harrow Sansom Thesis: You can find us on Instagram and Twitter at Thesis on Joan.

[45:47] Meghan: We'd love to hear your queer culture backs and ideas for queering the canon.

[45:50] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Send us an email at thesisonjoan at gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at 845-445-9251.

[45:58] Meghan: Come back for more interviews, fun, queer content, recommendations, and discussions on current theater.

[46:04] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Until next time, keep it queer.

[46:06] Meghan: Not that it'd be that hard for y'all to do.

[46:19] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Yeah, I couldn't even really remember. I was like Hadestown won best musical, right? And then I couldn't remember for sure.

[46:25] Meghan: No, it was Moulin Rouge, right?

[46:29] Harrow Sansom Thesis: Oh, yeah.

[46:31] Meghan: I said Moulin Rouge very strange.