The Wrong Cat Died
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.
All Episodes
From The Vault: Christopher Gurr, Gus in the 2016 Broadway revival
From The Vault: Originally released on November 7, 2019, this was Episode 8 with Christopher Gurr who was Gus in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. This episode features Christopher Gurr who played Gus and Bustopher Jones during the 2016 Broadway revival.
Ep197 - Jenny Mollet, Jellylorum in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" & Alternate in SIX on Broadway
"I see everyone has stars in that room. No one is going to dim your light except for you.
Ep196 - Jennifer Ashley Tepper, Author of Women Writing Musicals: The Legacy that the History Books Left Out
"I took my family to go see the CATS movie right before Covid.
Ep195 - Kevin Zak, Swing on US National Tour 5
"Sometimes I look back and I’m like I don’t think I was good enough to do CATS. But I did it. And I was a swing and being a swing on a non-equity tour is kind of like being a traveling mascot people spit on a lot.
From The Vault: Claire Camp, Dance Captain & Swing in 2016 Broadway Revival
From The Vault: Originally released on June 22, 2021, this was Episode 52 with Claire Camp who was a Dance Captain & Swing in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. "This show will change your life if you let it." This episode features Claire Camp who was the dance captain and a swing in the 2016 Broadway revival.
Ep194 - Ana Villafañe, Grizabella in Our Lady of Lourdes Academy High School Production
"When the auditions came, I’m a 17 year old girl so I wanted to be a sexy cat. I wanted to be Rum Tum Tugger and since it was all girls you could have. That was my dream.
Ep193 - Wendi Bergamini, Jellylorum on US National Tour 5 & Ensemble in Once Upon A Mattress
"The very first thing they said was there is a very real plot to CATS. It’s not just poems put to song and talking about this real meaning behind the Jellicle Ball and who goes to the Heaviside Layer." This episode features Wendi Bergamini who played Jellylorum and is currently performing in the ensemble of Once Upon A Mattress on Broadway.
BONUS - Eitan Levine, Macavity in Katz The Musical at Camp Kaleidoscope
"They did the production of CATS, which at the time I really don't think I thought about how hilarious it was that the camp director just decided to name it KATZ but my parents obviously got a chuckle out of it." This bonus episode features Eitan Levine who played Macavity at his Jewish day camp named Camp Kaleidoscope where they renamed the production KATZ.
Ep192 - Allison Little, Swing/Dance Captain on US National Tour 5
"We’d always say Shove With Love. If someone doesn’t know where they are going, you should Shove With Love." This episode features Allison Little who was a swing and a Dance Captain on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep191 - Laura Cable, Jellylorum on US National Tour 5
"Our rule was eight minutes. If someone had some sort of injury, a sickness, or something that happened to them mid-show, as a swing we were told you need to be on the stage in eight minutes." This episode features Laura Cable who played Jellylorum on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep190 - Amanda LaMotte, Tantomile/Swing on US National Tour 5 & Ensemble in Once Upon A Mattress
"I feel like I always have intrusive thoughts. I do really want to knock that person’s water bottle over just to mess with them. But I would never do it in real life.
Ep189 - JJ Niemann, Mr. Mistoffelees in Elon University 2017 Winter Production of CATS & Ensemble in the Back To The Future Musical
"I went out and bought a cat tail, ears, cut up fingerless gloves. I had a white tank top with a black vest. I looked insane." This episode features JJ Niemann who played the magical Mr Mistoffelees in the Elon University 2017 Winter Production of CATS and is currently in the ensemble in the Back To The Future Musical.
Ep188 - Qween Jean, Costume Design in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "That was my immediate first question.
Ep187 - Will Porter, Mungojerrie on US National Tour 5
"At the beginning of the show Grizabella was just the teacher. At the end, Grizabella went to the Heaviside Layer in a way that we could afford." This episode features Will Porter who played Mungojerrie on the US National Tour 5 of CATS as well as regionally.
Ep186 - Sophie Carmen-Jones, Macavity Girl in 2019 CATS Movie & Nini in Moulin Rouge on Broadway
"We were like Taylor Swift's little side chicks." This episode features Sophie Carmen-Jones who was one of the Macavity Girls in the 2019 CATS Movie and is currently performing as Nini in Moulin Rouge The Musical on Broadway after originating the role in the West End.
Ep185 - Erica Leigh Hansen, Jennyanydots on US National Tour 5 and Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"I've done it with Richard Stafford which is the American version and I've done it with Chrissie Cartwright which is the British version. And those are not the same shows." This episode features Erica Leigh Hansen who played Jennyanydots on the US National Tour 5 of CATS as well as on the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas first and third seasons.
Ep184 - André De Shields, Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "A theater is a temple.
Ep183 - Primo, Tumblebrutus in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "He also has to have that edge of realness.
Ep182 - Teddy Wilson Jr, Sillabub in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep181 - Dava Huesca, Rumpleteazer in PAC's CATS: "The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "It’s giving like she won Legendary and got the million dollar prize.
BONUS - CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" Conversation with Jacob Brent, 1998 CATS Movie Mr. Mistoffelees
"Theater is moving forward and I think it happened the same way with the same show. When I saw it I had that feeling that this is a real mile marker in musical theater history again with the show." This bonus episode is a conversation about CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" featuring Jacob Brent who played Mr.
LIVE @ BroadwayCon with Omari Wiles & Arturo Lyons, Choreographers of "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout the summer, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep180 - Nora Schell, Bustopher Jones in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep179 - Baby, Victoria in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep178 - Shereen Pimentel, Jellylorum in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep177 - Antwayn Hopper, Macavity in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "We have to remember we’re angelic cats.
Ep176 - Jonathan Burke, Mungojerrie in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball" & US National Tour 5
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "In this version we are brother and sister.
Ep175 - Emma Sofia, Skimbleshanks & Cassandra in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team. "Remembering the first episode I didn’t really understand CATS.
Ep174 - Josephine Kearns, Dramaturg & Gender Consultant in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep173 - Sydney James Harcourt, Rum Tum Tugger in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep172 - Robert "Silk" Mason, Mr. Mistoffelees in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
Ep171 - "Tempress" Chasity Moore, Grizabella in PAC's "CATS: The Jellicle Ball"
Throughout June and July, we are working with the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS called CATS: "The Jellicle Ball" to bring you a series of episodes with the cast and creative team.
BONUS - "CATS: The Jellicle Ball" Recap with Alan Seales of The Theatre Podcast
"I love this show and I love this production. This production was so much fun because it spans all theater fans, all ballroom fans, and just people who want to go have a good time will like this." This bonus episode is a recap of "CATS: The Jellicle Ball" featuring Mike and Alan Seales of the Theatre Podcast recorded immediately after seeing a preview of this incredible production.
Ep170 - Mundi Gove, Head of Wig Department on US National Tour 4
"The interesting thing with CATS is that the actors eventually do their own makeup. They do all the cat makeup but it has to go into the wig." This episode features Mundi Gove who was the Head of Wig Department on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep169 - Mariah Reives, Cassandara on US National Tour 6 and Ensemble in The Great Gatsby Musical
"I loved how sophisticated she was. How she allowed nothing to really bother her but she was still so fierce. And that seems like exactly the type of cat that I could be." This episode features Mariah Reives who performed as Cassandra on the US National Tour 6 of CATS before the pandemic and is currently in the ensemble in The Great Gatsby Musical at the Broadway Theatre.
Ep168 - 2024 St. Clair College Production ft. Kristyn Wiklanski, Tatum Roy, and Camryn Winnicky-Lewis
"Once they bought into the idea of doing the show they deep dived into the internet and quickly found the hardcore fans of the musical and would show up to rehearsal and they would have all of these theories that they had never heard of before." This episode features the 2024 St.
Ep167 - Chaz Wolcott, Mr. Mistoffelees on US National Tour 5 and Director/Choreographer at Theatre Wichita
"I have a thing that I call ‘Cat Story Time’ and I sit down with the cats and I tell them my version of the events, and tell them sort of what I know." This episode features Chaz Wolcott who played the magical Mr.
Ep166 - Kevin Winkler, Skimbleshanks on US National Tour 4 and Author of new book "On Bette Midler"
"I had seen the show after it opened and I knew that Skimbleshanks was the role for me. I knew that was the role that I wanted to do in the show." This episode features Kevin Winkler who performed as Skimbleshanks on the US National Tour 4 of CATS and is the author of a new book called "On Bette Midler".
Ep165 - Lucy Horton, Jellylorum on US National Tour 5
"Watching the 1998 VHS which I rented on Netflix. I got the DVD mailed to me." This episode features Lucy Horton who played Jellylorum on the US National Tours 5 of CATS and in multiple regional productions.
BONUS - "CATS: The Jellicle Ball" Creative Team ft. Zhailon Levingston, Bill Rauch, & William Waldrop
"What overtly having categories does dramaturgy of CATS itself is that there is a particular outcome of winner or loser that happens at the end of every song." This bonus episode features the creative team of the Perelman Performing Arts Center reimagined production of CATS set in a ballroom which is appropriately titled: "CATS: The Jellicle Ball".
Ep164 - Mackenzie Warren, Bombalurina on 2016 Broadway Revival
"When I got the audition appointment I was like this would be a blast to pretend to be a cat at this audition. Let's do it. I texted Kim and asked - How much cat do you give at the audition?" This episode features Mackenzie Warren who was Bombalurina in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS.
Ep163 - Brett-Marco Glauser, Munkustrap on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"Part of me just needed to come on and defend Munkustrap. He gets a bad rap. You haven't talked to a lot of them. It's a rough time being in a leadership position when everyone's just trying to fool around.
Ep162 - Brett Michael Lockley, Pouncival on US National Tour 6 & Swing in The Who's TOMMY
"I remember there's Green Eyes and a couple other times that the cats go into the house and into the audience. Because of everything that was going on I was an advocate about being like… can we figure out a way around that right now?
Ep161 - Katie Hutton, Rumpleteazer on Asia Tour 2022-2023
"What I think makes CATS so special is you could look at our cast and point out any single one of us and know exactly who our cat was because we were just like them." This episode features Katie Hutton who played Rumpleteazer on the 2022-2023 Asia Tour of CATS performing in Korea and Taiwan.
Ep160 - Yardén Barr, Grizabella on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"A couple of cast mates and I have thought of a familial relationship for Grizabella that I haven’t heard theorized before. Maybe she is Gus’ daughter and when she left, that’s why Jellylorem started taking care of him.
Ep159 - Felicia & James Gardner, Demeter & Electrician on US National Tour 4 & Original Broadway Production
"I always say I owe my entire life to CATS." This episode features Felicia & James Gardner who met originally on the US National Tour 4 of CATS.
Ep158 - Nina Straface, Theatre Content Creator, Performer, & CATS Defender
"For the Met Gala, I was like, I have to make a CATS joke before anybody else does. So I made it and it ended up being, at the time, my most watched and my most liked video ever." This episode features Nina Straface who is a theatre content creator, performer, and CATS defender.
Ep157 - Samantha Sturm, Demeter on 2016 Broadway Revival
"On that tour I was a very innocent, inexperienced young lady. I did not really understand a lot of the movement that I had to. I really had to fake it until I made it with being the sexy cat." This episode features Samantha Sturm who was a swing on the US National Tour 5 and then played Demeter in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS.
Ep156 - Scott Faris, Production Stage Manager on US National Tour 2 & 4
"When a show opens you are the mayor of the little town. That is the theater. And you have to solve all the problems and social issues of the cast, as well as running all the technical aspects of the show." This episode features Scott Faris who was the Production Stage Manager for the US National Tour 2 and part of the US National Tour 4.
Ep155 - Michael Fatica, Swing on US National Tour 5 & Ensemble in SPAMALOT
"In SPAMALOT, there's two eight counts during the Broadway number where we can do whatever choreography we want from a Broadway show and I do the Jellicle Ball." This episode features Michael Fatica who performed as a Swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS and is currently in the ensemble of SPAMALOT.
Ep154 - John Schwab, Actor and Host of Curtain Call Podcast
"I saw it in Seoul, Korea. It was a local production … It was the first time I really saw a musical transcend language. It was much more about the language of the cat." This episode is features John Schwab who who is an actor and the host of another Broadway Podcast Network show called Curtain Call.
Ep153 - Cecilia Arias, Bombonachoona (Jennyanydots) on Mexico Tour 3
"The name for Jennyanydots in Spanish is Bombonachoona. If I had to translate it, it would be a mix between marshmallow and good cat." This episode features Cecilia Arias who played Bombonachoona which is the Spanish translation for Jennyanydots on the Mexico Tours 3 of CATS in 2019.
Ep152 - Rose Iannaccone, Rumpleteazer on US National Tour 6
"The main focus in the beginning was on Rumpleteazer and finding your individuality in your cat. Then after that was understanding where does your cat fit into the story?" This episode features Rose Iannaccone who played Rumpleteazer on the US National Tours 6 of CATS in 2019 before the pandemic.
Ep151 - Michelle E. Carter, Jennyanydots on US National Tour 6
"We had all of us in that night. We were at the call board and our stage manager is divvying up to us… you're gonna wear this CAT costume… So there were three Grizabellas on stage that night." This episode features Michelle E.
Ep150 - Olivia Kaye Da Silva, Performer & Theatre Content Creator
"My first conclusion of the Heaviside Layer was that these cats were being transitioned off to be adopted." This episode features Olivia Kaye Da Silva who is a theatre content creator.
Ep149 - John Zamborsky, Skimbleshanks on US National Tour 6
"Remember what you said about the train light? I saw CATS a few days ago in Japan. I saw the Japanese production and you're absolutely right. The train light shined directly into my face." This episode features John Zamborsky who played Skimbleshanks on the US National Tours 6 of CATS.
Ep148 - Broadway Bob, Theatre Content Creator
"Cats is one of those shows that made me fall in love with theater. It was the first show that I ever saw as a kid." This episode features The Broadway Bob who is an incredible theatre content creator and performer who has hot takes on CATS.
Ep147 - Leigh Webster, Cassandra & Dance Captain on Original Broadway Production & US National Tour 2 & 4
"Even though I didn’t have a big role, I made an impression on the stage." This episode features Leigh Webster who played Casandra and was a Dance Captain on the US National Tours 2 & 4 of CATS as well as the Original Broadway Production.
Ep146 - Nancy Melius, Rumpleteazer on US National Tour 4
"As a kitten, I want to go up on that tire. I don't know where it's going or anything like that, but why can't I go up there? It looks like a fun ride, right?" This episode features Nancy Melius who played Rumpleteazer on the US National Tour 4 of CATS.
Ep145 - Kevin & Leslie Harvey, Syllabub & Stage Manager on US National Tour 4 & Original Broadway Production
"The first thing we did when we got the new programs to get ready to sell for the first show is we opened up all the inserts to check out the girls in the show.
Ep144 - Sam Larielle-Jones, Quaxo in Willoughby Theatre Company
"This production is something that you’ve never seen before." This episode features Sam Larielle-Jones who plays Quaxo in Australia's Willoughby Theatre Company production of CATS.
Ep143 - Helen, Lauren, & Steve Watkins, The CATS Family
"At the end of the show after the bows when the cats sort of dance offstage I remember we were dancing together and then he picked me up and twirled me.
Ep142 - General McArthur Hambrick, Alonzo on Original Broadway Production & US National Tour 4
"I couldn't wait to learn the shadow dance. I got to rehearsal and it wasn't happening. I finally got up enough nerve and I went up to T Michael Reed and said, ‘am I going to learn the shadow dance?’ And he said, ‘we don't do that on the tour.’" This episode features General McArthur Hambrick who played Alonzo in the Original Broadway Production and on the US National Tour 4 of CATS.
Ep141 - Maria Briggs, Victoria on 2016 Broadway Revival & Ensemble in SPAMALOT
"I got to final callbacks and I was like, I should maybe watch this cause I don't know what I'm auditioning for. I got to Mungo and Rump and then I don't even think I finished it." This episode features Maria Briggs who performed as a swing and as Victoria in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS and is currently in the ensemble of SPAMALOT.
Ep140 - Shane Hall, Mr. Mistoffelees on US National Tour 5
"I didn’t know who Pouncival was from a hole in the wall." This episode features Shane Hall who played the magical Mr. Mistoffelees on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Shane talk about how he fell asleep the first time he saw CATS, how he learned the show with just one other cast member, the different ways Mr.
Ep139 - Lynette Tompkins Engel, Tantomile in Hamburg Production
"In the ball, most of the names stay the same. Copeland was Copeland, Jutters was Jutters. But I believe in the States, there's a section called American Airlines and in Germany it was Lufthansa." This episode features Lynette Tompkins Engel who was Tantomile in the Hamburg Production of CATS.
Ep138 - Harry Francis, Mungojerrie in West End Revival & Mr. Mistoffelees on International Tour
"People talk about the ‘I Want’ song in a musical. CATS is full of ‘I Am’ songs and that is the biggest difference with this show compared to a lot of others." This episode features Harry Francis who played Mungojerrie in the West End Revival as well as Mr.
Ep137 - Stan Stanley, Rum Tum Tugger on US National Tour 5
"I didn't really get into the headspace of what the character Tugger was until probably a month or two into the run because I was so concerned about the logistics of being there and doing this and singing this and making sure my riffs were right." This episode features Stan Stanley who was the Rum Tum Tugger on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
BONUS - Lauren Buege, Cinnamon in Arrowhead High School Center for Arts
"Once I got the list, I think I chose cinnamon because it was fall and I think I just probably added it always to my Starbucks order." This BONUS episode features Lauren Buege who performed with our last guest Lexie Plath as Cinnamon in Arrowhead High School Center for Arts award winning production of CATS.
Ep136 - Lexie Plath, Bombalurina on US National Tour 6
"In high school we had a huge ensemble. More than a normal show and they gave everyone random names. My best friend Lauren was Cinnamon.
Ep135 - Natasha Davison, Victoria on US National Tour 4
"From the lips of Gillian Lynne. What she said about Victoria is that she is a pulsating plum ready to be picked." This episode features Natasha Davison who was Victoria on the US National Tour 4.
Ep134 - Paul Giarratano, Mr. Mistoffelees on US National Tour 6
"For Misto, to me, he always felt like he was ‘periphery’ to the tribe. He's definitely a part of the tribe but he comes and goes when he pleases. And then when he needs to show off and do something fun or cool or help the cats out with some magic, he's like, I got you guys." This episode features Paul Giarratano who played the magical Mr.
Ep133 - Lee Lobenhofer, Gus on US National Tour 4
"I went in and spent two days listening to the story of the cats and the interrelationships of all the characters. You know, Tugger and Munkustrap are brothers. They're all sons of Old Deuteronomy.
Ep132 - Lucy Rice, Swing on Asia Tour 2022-2023
"Especially going through the rehearsal process as well. Every single little moment has a meaning, which was crazy to me. A lot of the time the audience wouldn't even see that.
Ep131 - Joey Abramowicz, Tumblebrutus on US National Tour 5
"I learned the show in six days. I remember telling the sound guy at Westchester the day I went on. I said don't turn my microphone on because I don’t know all the words yet." This episode features Joey Abramowicz who was Tumblebrutus on the US National Tour 5 and in 9 other regional productions of CATS.
Ep130 - Julie Klausner, Writer, Comedian, Actress, CATS Fan
"It was the first Broadway show I ever went to and it is probably responsible for my personality." This episode features the amazingly talented writer, comedian, actress, and CATS fan Julie Klausner.
Ep129 - Aiden Pressel, Plato/Macavity on US National Tour 6
"Princely Plato. He’s the price and kind to everyone. Flirtatious and fun but a teenager. And then you get to do a little quick change and jump into Macavity which is the super villain." This episode features Aiden Pressel who was Plato/Macavity on the 6th US National Tour of CATS.
Ep128 - Jaime Lyn Beatty & Jon Matteson, Spadattimy: The Reliable Cat
"I literally couldn't remember Macavity's name because their names are all so ridiculously complicated. I really think that that was the seed of the idea.
Ep127 - Tucker Ty Davis, Spike on US National Tour 5
"It was just a brown and gray generic cat. They made my shoes still in Spike colors but they made them look like the shoes like Alonzo would wear or Pouncival would wear so that when I was on stage I could look down at my feet and not get confused about which cat I was playing that day at that show." This episode features Tucker Ty Davis who played the infamous Spike as a swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
BONUS - Chris Adams, Out For Blood
"You know when people say they can taste colors… I kind of get that with CATS in a weird way." This episode features fellow Broadway Podcast Network podcast host Chris Adams who hosts a show called Out For Blood about the infamous Carrie musical.
LIVE: Debating CATS Canon at BroadwayCon 2023 with Jonalyn Saxer, Hank Santos, and The Theater Lovers Will & Rachael
LIVE from BroadwayCon 2023 in New York City! Mike was joined by an amazing panel of Jonalyn Saxer (Swing in 2016 Broadway Revival and episode 29), Hank Santos (Rum Tum Tugger in US National Tour 6 and episode 126), and Will and Rachael (meme-making founders of The Theater Lovers and episode 125) to have the greatest CATS debate in Jellicle history.
Ep126 - Hank Santos, Rum Tum Tugger on US National Tour 6
"Me and Misto are homies. We have a little handshake that’s like a finger flip. Very nineties kind of surfer moment." This episode features Hank Santos who was the Rum Tum Tugger on the 6th US National Tour of CATS.
Ep125 - The Theater Lovers, Theatrical Meme-Makers
"I like to ask the question in theater, is this a good character or a good song? Don't confuse a good song with a good man." This episode features The Theater Lovers Will and Rachael who are two of the funniest theater content creators in the game today.
Ep124 - Jean Michelle Sayeg, Victoria on US National Tour 5
"Where was the little white pussycat, grand darling? Come here. And it was like the parting of the seas and I was like, oh my gosh." This episode features Jean Michelle Sayeg who played Victoria on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep123 - Andrew Wilson, Tumblebrutus on 2016 Broadway Revival & Richard Parker in Life of Pi
"I did a lot of character study with Tumblebrutus and I chose that he was abandoned and his way of surviving the trauma of losing his family was to just really lash out." This episode features Andrew Wilson who was Tumblebrutus in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS and is currently Richard Parker in Life of Pi on Broadway.
Ep122 - Carolyn Bacon, Swing on US National Tour 6 and Rachel in Friends! The Musical Parody
"The Friends are very Jellicle. I find them as a community to be very Jellicle." This episode features Carolyn Bacon who was a swing on the 6th US National Tour of CATS and is currently Rachel Green in Friends! The Musical Parody.
Ep121 - Lewberger: The Wizard of Friendship
"There is so much of The Wizard of Friendship that is really based off our friendship and our history, like who we are as people." This episode features musical comedy trio Lewberger (Hughie Stone Fish, Keith Habersberger and Alex Lewis) who recently finished their hilarious sold-out off-Broadway show The Wizard of Friendship which featured special guests Wayne Brady, Alex Brightman, and Dashaun Wesley.
Ep120 - Jessica Hendy, Grizabella in Original Broadway Production & Creator of Walking with Bubbles
"My introduction to CATS was when I took piano as a kid and Memory was the first song I ever learned to play on the piano." This episode features Jessica Hendy who performed as Grizabella on the US National Tour 4, the Original Broadway Production, and the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS and is currently performing her one woman show Walking With Bubbles.
Ep119 - Maggie McCown, Bombalurina in City Springs Theatre Company
"I distinctly remember every time I had to stay home from school sick my mom would put on the VHS of CATS." This episode features Maggie McCown who performed as Bombalurina in the City Springs Theatre Company regional production of CATS in Atlanta.
BONUS - Nick Rizzo, Bombalurina on 2023 Taylor Swift Eras Tour
"There is a beat in the song where she isn't singing and she just mouths to me - Oh My God" This BONUS episode features Nick Rizzo who went to the MetLife Taylor Swift Eras Tour dressed as Bombalurina.
Ep118 - Leslie Blake Walker, Sillabub in Arrow Rock Lyceum Theatre Regional Production & Ensemble in Funny Girl
"CATS has been in my blood since I was three years old." This episode features Leslie Blake Walker who performed as Sillabub as a ten year old in the Arrow Rock Lyceum Theatre regional production of CATS and is currently in the ensemble in Funny Girl on Broadway.
Ep117 - Yoanna Nikolova, Playbill Horoscopes Author
"One pet peeve I have is when I see a movie say which character falls in which zodiac sign and every sign is represented. Highly unlikely." This episode features Yoanna Nikolova who writes horoscopes for Playbill.
Ep116 - Ed Kingsley Wade, Rum Tum Tugger on UK/International Tour
"She asked who we thought should go to heaven and I immediately put my hand up and said I think it should be the Rum Tum Tugger." This episode features Ed Kingsley Wade who played the Rum Tum Tugger on the most recent UK/International Tour of CATS.
Ep115 - McCree O'Kelley, Mr. Mistoffelees on US National Tour 5
"I remember one night this lady at the end of Memory yelled out - SING IT AGIN!" This episode features McCree O'Kelley who played the magical Mr. Mistoffelees to kick off the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep114 - Ella Kemp, Rumpleteazer on UK/International Tour
"You become a cat when you get your costume on." This episode features Ella Kemp who played Rumpleteazer on the most recent UK/International Tour of CATS. Hear Ella discuss her introduction to CATS, her Rumpleteazer theories, and why she thinks Grizabella is the correct Jellicle choice.
Ep113 - Haley Fish, Rumpleteazer on 2016 Broadway Revival & Ensemble in New York, New York
"It's probably the hardest thing I'll do in my life. I loved it." This episode features Haley Fish who was Rumpleteazer in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS. Hear Haley discuss doing a middle school production of CATS in Kentucky growing up, making her Broadway debut in CATS, and why Gus is her Jellicle choice.
Ep112 - Christine Bogle, CATS Superfan & Memorabilia Collector
"If you are a beginning collector and you want to collect for CATS, you're going to get a pair of shoes." This episode features CATS memorabilia collector and superfan Christine Bogle.
Ep111 - Adam Steiner & Cara Cooley, Rum Tum Tugger & Bombalurina on US National Tour 5
"Because of all of the relationships offstage with the cast members, it really does change the show a lot." This episode features Adam Steiner and Cara Cooley who played the Rum Tum Tugger and Bombalurina on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep110 - Darren Tyler, Skimbleshanks on Australia/Asia Tour
"You were amongst other performers at their peak because you had to be to be in this show." This episode features Darren Tyler who played Pouncival in the South Korea Tent Tour of CATS and Skimbleshanks on the Australia/Asia Tour of CATS.
Ep109 - Robin Masella, Demeter on 2016 Broadway Revival & Swing in Bad Cinderella
"I was one of those little girls that danced around the living room to the record of CATS and my mom would yell at me not to jump because it would make the record skip." This episode features Robin Masella who was Demeter in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS.
Ep108 - Jackey Good, Jellylorum on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"In 7th grade English we had to memorize a poem and then recite it in front of the class. I cheated a little bit and did the Naming of CATS." This episode features Jackey Good who played Jellylorum on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas.
Ep107 - Daniel Assetta, Rum Tum Tugger (Street Cat) on Australia/New Zealand Tour
"A lot of people were skeptical of the Street Tugger but I think I managed to persuade them through my energy and the way I wanted to convey the character that it did work." This episode features Daniel Assetta who played the infamous Street Cat version of the Rum Tum Tugger on the Australia/New Zealand tour.
EP106 - Richard Poole, Gus in Original Broadway Production (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Richard Poole who was Gus on the US National Tours 1, 2, and 4 as well as the Original Broadway Production.
Ep105 - Maree Johnson, Grizabella on Australian Circus Tent Tour (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Maree Johnson who was Grizabella in the Australian Circus Tour.
Ep104 - Bronson Norris Murphy, Gus on US National Tour 5 (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Bronson Norris Murphy who was Gus on the 5th US CATS National Tour.
Ep103 - Janet Saia, Grizabella on the 90s European Tour (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Janet Saia who was Grizabella in the 90s European Tour.
Ep102 - Marni Raab, Jellylorum in 1999 German Production (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Marni Raab who was Jellylorum in the 1999 Germany Hamburg production.
Ep101 - Tug Watson, Swing on 2016 Broadway revival (Part of Phantom February)
This February of 2023, we are honoring closing of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway by partnering with Phantom to chat with Phantom CATS. This episode features Tug Watson who was Munkustrap on the 5th US CATS National Tour and a swing on the 2016 Broadway Revival.
Ep100 - Celebrating 100 Episodes, On Location with the 2023 US National Tour of CATS
HAPPY 100 EPISODES!!! When The Wrong Cat Died started as a 10 episode mini series, we never expected to reach 100 episodes but here we are! After talking with various cast members from over 15 different official productions of CATS all over the world, it was time to step things up.
Ep99 - Jacob Brent, Mr. Mistoffelees in Original Broadway Production & 1998 Movie
"If we don't find anyone else then we will offer you the role." This episode features Jacob Brent who was the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in the Original Broadway production of CATS, the West End production of CATS, and the infamous 1998 CATS movie!
Ep98 - Jen Anckorn, CATS Artist & Superfan
"Each generation of CATS fans have their own theories." This episode features CATS artist and superfan Jen Anckorn. Hear Jen talk about being a fan of CATS before the "internet era," her fandom on Live Journal that created many of the modern theories, and her theory on how The Moments of Happiness lyrics are the key to understanding Old Deuteronomy's decision.
EP97 - Friday Night Movie Podcast, Part 2 of 2, The 3 Year Anniversary of The 2019 CATS Movie
"When do you have time to think about these things? Is that why you don't sleep through the night?" In part 2 of our Catstravaganza crossover, Mike is joined by Shai, Becky, and Lily Korman who are the hosts of the Friday Night Movie Podcast.
Ep96 - Ian Campayno, Swing on US National Tour 5
"I was on the shorter side for the adult cats so when I would put the Tugger costume on, my cast would call me Teen Heart Throb Tugger." This episode features Ian Campayno who was a swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS.
Ep95 - Katharine Heaton, Swing on US National Tour 5
"Cats is a whole body experience. It just changes you. I cannot think of anything else like it. Nothing." This episode features Katharine Heaton who was a swing on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. For the first time ever shared publicly, hear Katharine tell her unique history with CATS.
Ep94 - Kelliann DeCarlo, Swing on US National Tour 6
"I wore Leona's leotard on tour." This episode features Kelliann DeCarlo who was a swing on the most recent 6th US CATS National Tour covering Grizabella and Jellylorum.
Ep93 - Will Roland, Broadway Star & Cats Fan
"What if Harrison Ford wanted to come in and be Gus?" This episode features Broadway star and CATS fan Will Roland. Hear Will talk about CATS being his first show, why he thinks they should stunt cast Gus, his hate for Bustopher Jones, and why Grizabella is actually his Jellicle choice.
Ep92 - Robyn Tempest, Grizabella on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"I once got punched in the face doing Green Eyes." This episode features Robyn Tempest who played Grizabella on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas.
Ep91 - Ahmad Simmons, Alonzo on 2016 Broadway Revival
"I got my equity card doing CATS in Pittsburgh." This episode features Ahmad Simmons who was Alonzo in the 2016 Broadway revival of CATS. Hear Ahmad share stories about doing different choreography of the show between productions, making his Broadway debut in CATS, and how he feels about Alonzo's backstory.
Ep90 - Keri René Fuller, Grizabella on US National Tour 6
"I don't think (Grizabella) expected, at all, to be chosen to go to the Heaviside Layer." This episode features Keri René Fuller who is currently performing as Jane Seymour in SIX on Broadway and played Grizabella in the US National Tour 6 of CATS before the pandemic.
Ep89 - Terrence Mann, Rum Tum Tugger in Original Broadway Cast
"I remember the Tugger was shooting people with a water pistol and I knew that wouldn't fly in New York." This episode features Terrence Mann who originated the role of the Rum Tum Tugger on the original Broadway production.
Ep88 - Elana Valastro, Swing on US National Tour 6
"Our director Kim said that as a swing, the first time you go on, just make sure nobody dies." This episode features Elana Valastro who was a swing on the most recent 6th US CATS National Tour.
Ep87 - Emily Jeanne Phillips, Jennyanydots on US National Tour 6
"Jenny came out tap dancing and I was like 'that's me.'" This episode features Emily Jeanne Phillips who played Jennyanydots on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic.
Ep86 - Kim Criswell, Grizabella in 1985 Los Angeles Production (US National Tour 2)
"John (Napier) gets a magic marker and starts shading. That's how he created people's shadings." This episode features Kim Criswell who played Grizabella in the 1985 Los Angeles Production which is sometimes called the US National Tour 2 despite not touring.
Ep85 - Dori Berinstein & Sammi Cannold, The Show Must Go On
"Anyone who works on CATS, within a few weeks of working on it you become indoctrinated in it." This episode features Dori Berinstein & Sammi Cannold who produced the documentary The Show Must Go On which chronicles the 2020 South Korea production of Cats and Phantom of the Opera.
Ep84 - Sean McManus, Tumblebrutus on US National Tour 6
"I think Tumblebrutus has the 'I just can't wait to be king' complex." This episode features Sean McManus who played Tumblebrutus on the 6th US CATS National Tour and is currently in the ensemble of Beetlejuice.
Ep83 - Linus Karp, Comedian, How To Live A Jellicle Life, Life Lessons From the 2019 Hit Movie CATS
"My partner describes it as a Ted Talk from hell." This episode features Linus Karp who is a comedian who has a hit show called "How To Live A Jellicle Life, Life Lessons From the 2019 Hit Movie CATS" based on his experience seeing the 2019 movie.
Ep82 - Alexandra Bowman, Satirist, Arts Critic, & CATS Movie Fan
"It's shocking how much of the show's ethos matches my personality." This episode features Alexandra Bowman, a satirist and superfan of CATS who loved the 2019 movie!
LIVE: Debating CATS at BroadwayCon 2022 with Zach Bravo, Zach Raffio, Jesse McAnally, and Andrew DeWolf
LIVE from BroadwayCon 2022 in New York City, hear our CATS debate with Zach Bravo (US National Tour 6 Rum Tum Tugger), Zach Raffio (Founder of The Broadway Beat), Jesse McAnally (Musicals With Cheese co-host), and Andrew DeWolf (Musicals With Cheese co-host).
Ep81 - Christopher Salvaggio, Skimbleshanks US on National Tour 6
"Kim Kardashian is Grizabella in her prime." This episode features Christopher Salvaggio, who played Skimbleshanks on the current 6th US CATS National Tour.
Ep80 - Sean Chandler, Host of Your Program Is Your Ticket
"The CATS giveth and the CATS taketh away because the cats have battered me around so much my brain explodes with CATS." This episode features Sean Chandler who is the host of Broadway Podcast Network's show Your Program is Your Ticket.
Ep79 - Zach Bravo, Rum Tum Tugger US on National Tour 6
"Chrissie said, 'don't ad-lib.' You cannot compete with T. S. Eliot." This episode features Zach Bravo who played Rum Tum Tugger on the current 6th US CATS National Tour.
Ep78 - Hyla Perillo, Victoria US on National Tour 6
"I believe Victoria was reborn from the Heaviside Layer which is why Old Deuteronomy is so fascinated with her." This episode features Hyla Perillo who is Victoria on the current 6th US CATS National Tour.
Ep77 - Caitlin Bond, Victoria US on National Tour 6
"Everything Gillian Lynne did was on a piano or flute and everything Andy Blankenbuehler did was on a drumbeat." This episode features Caitlin Bond who was Victoria on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic.
Ep76 - Jamie Grayson, TheBabyGuyNYC and Skimbleshanks in 5 Regional Productions
"They name the food in Ohio. We were joking that we wanted a Rum Tum Tuna Casserole." This episode features Jamie Grayson who is better known as TheBabyGuyNYC but also played Skimbleshanks in 5 regional productions and designed makeup for 2 more productions.
Ep75 - Anne Brummel, Grizabella on US National Tour 5
"The joy that I felt when I found out that I was going to be a part of Green Eyes. It was it all had come full circle. It was like, now I could be the person scaring people." This episode features Anne Brummel who played Grizabella on the US National Tour 5.
Ep74 - Scott Miller, Author of "Theatre Cats"
"Skimbleshanks is in 13 and that's really kind of fun for me as a musician." This episode features Scott Miller who is the author of a CATS parody book called Theatre Cats.
Ep73 - Ben Rimalower & Daniel Nolen, Cast Offs @ Club Cumming
"I just remember they were really hanging their hat on Elaine Paige. Commercials on channel four in Tecumseh, Oklahoma and I was like... great whoever she is." This episode features Ben Rimalower & Daniel Nolen who are fellow podcasters on the Broadway Podcast Network and the hosts of a new event called Cast Offs being hosted at Club Cumming in New York City.
Ep72 - Damien Delaney, Bill Bailey on Original West End Production
"When I joined the show that was fifteen years in it was still playing to pack houses every single week." This episode features Damien Delaney who played Bill Bailey on the original West End Production.
Ep71 - Tony d'Alelio, Mungojerrie on US National Tour 6
"My first word is cocksure which is a British slang term for not just being cocky but cocky to your own detriment." This episode features Tony d'Alelio who was Mungojerrie on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic.
Ep70 - DJ John Michael, Peloton DJ
"And if there's any lens point at which to look at CATS through, it's through the eyes of a cult." This episode features DJ John Michael who you likely know as the Live DJ during your Peloton workouts but who also performed as a hybrid Munkustrap/Rum Tum Tugger cat in the Staten Island Academy of PerformIng Arts production of CATS.
Ep69 - Laura Kaufman, Tantomile on US National Tour 6
"If you are just watching the show you probably wouldn't even notice the twins. But if someone knows this show well or if someone happens to catch us and then follow us, they're in for a treat." This episode features Laura Kaufman who was Tantomile on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic.
Ep68 - Benjamin Colley, Swing on the 2020 South Korea Production
"CATS is a lot of damp leotards." This episode features Benjamin Colley who was a swing on the 2020 Asian Tour in South Korea cover Rum Tum Tugger, Munkustrap, Old Deuteronomy, Gus, Bustopher Jones, and Growltiger.
Ep67 - Tanner Ray Wilson, Dance Captain and Swing on 2016 Broadway Revival
"I had never seen a stage production before booking the show." This episode features Tanner Ray Wilson who was a swing and a dance captain in the 2016 Broadway revival.
Ep66 - Lynn Craig, Swing on US National Tour 5
"They asked us what we knew about cats and why we were so excited to be there I got a little bit of attitude because I thought they were cats from space." This episode features Lynn Craig who was a swing on the 5th US CATS National Tour .
Bonus - Broadway Reborn: Memory Parody (10 Minute Version) (Mike's Version)
If the 2019 Bombalurina can re-release her own music, why can't I? As part of the “BROADWAY REBORN, WITH LOVE NOW AND FOREVER, A Celebratory Welcome Back!” event that was recorded live on August 21, 2021, we recorded and released a parody of Memory.
Ep65 - Jacob Smith, Macavity in Waterloo Community Playhouse (Iowa)
"I poke out as as Alonzo singing 'Were you blind when you're born?' full tilt at my father two feet away I will never forget for the rest of my life he noticed me and jumped probably two feet out of his seat." This episode features Jacob Smith who you probably know from his time on Broadway in Frozen but performed as Macavity early in his theater journey at the Waterloo Community Playhouse in Iowa.
Ep64 - Joshua Burrage, Swing on 2016 Broadway Revival
"Alonzo is the Rob Kardashian of CATS." This episode features Joshua Burrage who was a swing in the 2016 Broadway revival and an emergency cover on the US National Tour 6.
Ep63 - Heidi Stallings, Grizabella in the Original Broadway Production
"Gillian Lynn would change the choreography which she could do because it's hers." This episode features Heidi Stallings who played Grizabella on Broadway in 1991 after initially being a cover.
Ep62 - Hannah Kenna Thomas, Victoria on 2014 West End Revival
"She would definitely be a rhythmic gymnast." This episode features Hannah Kenna Thomas who was Victoria on the 2012 West End Revival and is currently in the 2019 Vienna Revival.
Ep61 - Matthew Levick, Bill Bailey on 2019 Vienna Revival
"At times I was just speaking and had no idea what I was saying." This episode features Matthew Levick who is currently playing Bill Bailey in the 2019 Vienna Revival.
Ep60 - Gavan Pamer, Mungojerrie US National Tour 4
"It's really Victoria and the rest of the cats who pick Grizabella." This episode features Gavan Pamer who played Mungojerrie in the 4th US CATS National Tour. Hear Gavan talk about how the show was so popular that it sold $1M in one week, how they went on an "arena tour," and what it was like doing the infamous cartwheels in his dance.
Bonus - BPN LIVE: CATS Casts Reunion: "BROADWAY REBORN"
Nearly 35 years after their first performance, the National 3 cast of the landmark international musical sensation by Andrew Lloyd Webber, CATS, reunited for a very special virtual theatrical event, WITH LOVE, NOW AND FOREVER!
Ep59 - Emily Tanner, Tantomile on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas
"In the variety show our Demeter got hit in the face with a briefcase." This episode features Emily Tanner who played Tantomile on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's Oasis of the Seas.
Ep58 - Chris Stevens, Rum Tum Tugger on US National Tour 5
"I was told my Tugger gyrated more than any other in the cast." This episode features Chris Stevens who played Rum Tum Tugger in the 5th US CATS National Tour.
Ep57 - Jeremy Davis, Skimbleshanks from 2016 Revival
"The CATS lore was created over the course of many decades of the show." This episode features Jeremy Davis who played Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway revival.
Ep56 - Joanna Beck, Jellylorum on 1987 US National Tour 3
"We were really left alone to create our own backstories." This episode features Joanna Beck who played Jellylorum in the 1987 US National Tour 3. Hear Joanna discuss playing outdoor theatres with 12,000 seats, what it was like being one of the older cast members on tour, and why she actually thinks the plot is shockingly simple.
Ep55 - Felix Hess, Skimbleshanks on US National Tour 5
"The ritual didn't happen." This episode features Felix Hess who played Skimbleshanks in the 5th US CATS National Tour. Hear Felix talk about learning cat mannerisms, answer all of Mike's questions about Skimble, and shares his theory on how the Ball was cut short because of Grizabella.
Ep54 - Justin W Geiss, Pouncival & Mungojerrie on National Tour 6
"It's kind of just a show of introductions." This episode features Justin Geiss who played Pouncival & Mungojerrie in the most recent CATS National Tour. Hear Justin talk about how he was obsessed with the show growing up as a dancer, his fun story with Andy Blankenbuehler during his audition, and how he defends Macavity as his Jellicle choice.
Ep53 - Melody Rose, Tantomile on National Tour
"I had a little plush Mistoffelees when I was younger." This episode features Melody Rose who played Tantomile in the most recent CATS National Tour. Hear Melody discuss how she was a CATS fanatic growing up, share the backstory of the Twins, and gives her defense for why Gus should be the Jellicle choice.
Ep52 - Claire Camp, Dance Captain & Swing from 2016 Broadway Revival
"This show will change your life if you let it." This episode features Claire Camp who was the dance captain and a swing in the 2016 Broadway revival. Hear Claire explain her deep love for the show, share how she tells her friends which cat she thinks they are, and discuss her regional productions of CATS prior to Broadway.
Ep51 - Cathy Susan Pyles, Jennyanydots on 1987 US National Tour 3
"I do think I'm a little responsible for making Skimbleshanks nuts." This episode features Cathy Susan Pyles who played Jennyanydots in the 1987 US National Tour 3.
Ep50 - Nathan Patrick Morgan, Old Deuteronomy on National Tour
"We can make this work. I would be Meatloaf Tugger." This episode features Nathan Patrick Morgan who played Old Deuteronomy in the most recent CATS National Tour.
Ep49 - Karen Longwell, Ensemble on 1987 US National Tour 3
"My son says the whole idea of CATS is creepy.". This episode features Karen Longwell who was in the ensemble in the 1987 US National Tour 3. Hear Karen discuss her experience as a dancer in the show, give backstories for multiple Cats, and her arguments for for both Grizabella and Gus.
Ep48 - Meghan Hanley, Comedian, Host of Sports Tabata
"Grizz. Easy. She's Tonya Harding. She's had a tough life. She's a fighter." This episode features stand up comedian and the host of Sports Tabata Meghan Hanley who has never been in CATS but had a crazy experience seeing the show.
Ep47 - Adrea Gibbs, Bombalurina on 1987 US National Tour 3
"Everyone was just very curious about the show." This episode features Adrea Gibbs who played Bombalurina in the 1987 US National Tour 3 along with a few other CATS in other productions.
Ep46 - Christine Toy Johnson, Sillabub on 1987 US National Tour 3
"The cab driver insisted we were wrong about the title and the show was called - Those Darn Cats". This episode features Christine Toy Johnson who played the Sillabub in the 1987 US National Tour 3.
Ep45 - Day Hoy, Munkustrap on National Tour
"Have you ever heard the theory that Old Deuteronomy is actually just a serial killer?" This episode features Dan Hoy who played Munkustrap in the most recent CATS National Tour.
Ep44 - Randy Slovacek, Mistoffelees on 1987 US National Tour 3
"I think Grizz and Mistoffelees are close." This episode features Randy Slovacek who played the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in the 1987 US National Tour 3.
Ep43 - Donna Vivino, Grizabella on the National Tour
"His carbon pawprint is huge!" You probably know Donna Vivino from her time on Broadway as Elphaba in Wicked or as the original Young Cosette in Les Misérables but she joins Mike to talk about her time as Grizabella on the 2020 6th US National Tour.
Call for submissions - Tell me who you think is more worthy!
I want to hear from you! The feedback I've been getting is great, but I want to know more about if you think Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. Record yourself and tag @thewrongcatdied on IG or Twitter to let me know, or email it to thewrongcatdied at gmail.com.
Ep42 - Austin Jetton, Old Deuteronomy on 1987 US National Tour 3
"People thought we were a baseball team." This episode features Austin Jetton who played Old Deuteronomy on 1987 US National Tour 3.
Ep41 - Tricia Tanguy, Grizabella on US National Tour 5
"You will all pick for the same reason that I already know that she is the one that should be picked" This episode features Tricia Tanguy who played Grizabella in the 2007 5th US National Tour and then again over 10 years later in the 2019 6th US Tour.
Ep40 - BK Kennelly, Rum Tum Tugger on 1987 US National Tour 3
"Grizabella is the girl at the end of the bar. It's not the age, it's the mileage." This episode features BK Kennelly who played Rum Tum Tugger on 1987 US National Tour 3 and three other productions.
Ep39 - Madison Mitchell, Ensemble from the 2016 Broadway Revival
"Who is this young 17 year old coming?" This episode features Madison Mitchell who joined the CATS cast as a 17 year-old and was in 4 different productions of CATS including the 2016 Broadway revival.
Ep38 - Deborah Geneviere, Demeter from 1987 US National Tour 3
"They had us crawling on the floor pretending to play with a ball of yarn." This episode features Deborah Geneviere who played Demeter on 1987 US National Tour 3.
Ep37 - Colin Cunliffe, Skimbleshanks from 2016 Broadway Revival
"We have a lot to talk about Mike because I listened to your Skimble..." This episode features Colin Cunliffe who played Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway revival. Hear Colin break down all of the things I got wrong in Episode 11 about Skimbleshanks and his experience with the musical.
Ep36 - Michael Kushner, Quaxo at American Heritage School (Host of the Dear Multi-Hyphenate Podcast)
Pyrotechnics. The Junkyard as a bombed out World War II cathedral. Individual makeup artists. A $44,000 production budget. This episode features fellow Broadway Podcast Network host Michael Kushner who performed in the most elaborate high school production of CATS in the US History**.
Ep35 - Emma Caymares, Not Victoria (Celia on Call Your Mother)
"My goal was not to be Victoria; it was just to be an a**hole and wear a white unitard." This episode dives into one of the grandest CATS audition you'll ever hear.
Ep34 - Adam Richardson, Old Deuteronomy on National Tour
This episode features Adam Richardson who played Old Deuteronomy on the CATS National Tour. Adam shares his strong opinion on why Victoria shouldn't be the first one to touch Grizabella before Memory at the end of the show, how his opera and booth singer experience related to playing Old Deut, and why he agrees with me that Peter is the worst Cat in the show.
Ep33 - Nat Kelley DiMario, CATS Superfan who saw the 2016 Broadway Revival 88x!
This episode features CATS superfan Nat DiMario who saw the 2016 Broadway revival 88 times! Hear Nat explain their fandom, how they were able to see nearly 15% of the performances, and give the background on how their conversation with the actors lead to the infamous Tuggershanks rumor.
Ep32 - Fergie L. Philippe, Old Deuteronomy at Elon University (Hamilton)
This episode features Fergie L. Philippe who stars as James Madison in the Broadway production of Hamilton but also played a wild weekend as Old Deuteronomy during the Elon University Production of CATS.
Ep31 - Sarah M Jenkins, Jennyanydots from the 2016 Revival
This episode features Sarah M. Jenkins who played Jennyanydots during the 2016 Broadway revival. Sarah shares her incredible 16 point summary of CATS, tells a behind the scenes secret to the Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer number, and educates me how the tour used a "bounce castle" set in certain cities.
Ep30 - Jamie DuMont & Rob Russo: A "Fabulous Invalid" Crossover
This episode features the hosts of the brilliant podcast The Fabulous Invalid, Jamie DuMont and Rob Russo. Jame and Rob educate me on the deep history of CATS, their love of the show, Rob's Stage Left thesis on CATS, and everything else you might want to know about the history of the show.
Ep29 - Jonalyn Saxer, Swing from the 2016 Broadway Revival
This episode features Jonalyn Saxer who was a swing during the 2016 Broadway revival covering Bombalurina, Cassandra, Demeter, Jennyanydots, and Tantomile. Jonalyn discusses what it's like learning multiple tracks, her experience seeing CATS on the West End as a kid, and how her family hates the musical.
Bonus - Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS With Love, Now and Forever! CATS4COVID Relief
Bonus Episode: With Love, Now and Forever! CATS4COVID Relief is a fundraiser conceived by and featuring the cast of the third national tour of CATS. The company of theater artists reunites after 34 years to create an upbeat, inspiring celebration of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s international musical phenomenon to benefit Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS.
Ep28 - Bret Shuford, Swingleshanks from CATS Regional Theatre
This episode features Bret Shuford who starred in TWO regional productions of CATS as a swing and Skimbleshanks. Bret discusses how CATS is learned from the "outside in," what it was like performing at a dinner theatre known for their peach melba, and why, like most people, he's Team Gus.
Ep27 - Annemarie Rosano, Jelly from the National Tour
This episode features Annemarie Rosano who played Jellylorum on the CATS National Tour. Annemarie discusses how the Cats relationship in her production are based on their staging, Jelly's sexual attraction to Bustopher, and why, as Jelly, she's obviously Team Gus.
Ep26 - Lauren Elder, 8 year old CATS star
This episode features Lauren Elder who started in her own one-woman production of CATS in her garage in LA as an 8 year old. You may recognize Lauren from her Broadway performance in Hair, from TV on Law & Order SVU, or from her new album.
Ep25 - Georgina Pazcoguin, Victoria from the 2016 Revival
This episode features Georgina Pazcoguin who played Victoria during the 2016 Broadway revival. Georgina discusses being recruited for CATS, her relationship with Dame Gillian Lynne, and gives a thoughtful defense on why she believes Grizabella was the right cat to die.
Ep24 - Ryan La Sala, YA Author & CATS Superfan
This episode features CATS superfan and YA fantasy author Ryan La Sala whose professional author bio says that he "loves CATS the musical unironically." Ryan and I discuss why he's obsessed with the show, how he tricks his friends into going to see it with him, and how he'd write the CATS 2 sequel.
Ep23 - Eloise Kropp, Jennyanydots from the 2016 Revival
This episode features Eloise Kropp who played Jennyanydots during the 2016 Broadway revival. Eliose discusses her one act middle school production of CATS, why she thinks CATS is just a version of Chorus Line, and all the things she was told "Jenny wouldn't do." Check out Eloise on Instagram: @eloisekropp.
Ep22 - Flynn Lockett, CATS Superfan (@TheJellicleJunkyard)
This episode features CATS superfan Flynn Lockett who runs a fan Instagram page called @TheJellicleJunkyard and is the number one contributor to Quora answers related to CATS. Flynn explains how he became a superfan and dives deep into the world of CATS Tumblr.
Ep21 - Lili Froehlich, Electra from the 2016 Revival
This episode features Lili Froehlich who played Electra during the 2016 Broadway revival. Lili discusses how all of the characters have elaborate backstories and we discuss a few of my made up theories. Check out Lili on Instagram: @lilifro.
Ep20 - Peter, because we had to
This episode talks about the worst character in the entire musical Peter. Since there is not a single written word about Peter on the internet, hear me make everything up including my theory on Peter's real role in the play and his true significance for Grizabella.
Bonus - Crossover Interview with Call Me Adam
Bonus Episode: This episode is part of a conversation I had with fellow Broadway Podcast Network host Adam Rothenberg. Adam is the host of Baring it All With Call Me Adam which is a different kind of interview as he asks the heartfelt and fun questions most other podcasts don't.
Ep19 - Victoria, what does she do again?
This episode talks about our dancer and movie protagonist Victoria. Hear my breakdown of Victoria's musical and movie story arcs. Plus, I explain why the movie Dirty Dancing reminds me so much of Cats. Victoria Ranking: Incomplete out of 9.
Ep18 - Munkustrap, the narrator
This episode talks about our narrator Munkustrap. Hear my breakdown of Munkustrap's weird dog play within a play. Plus, I take a deep dive into the real reason Macavity and Munkustrap fight. Munkustrap Ranking: 3 out of 9. Watch his performance here.
Ep17 - Tyler Hanes, Rum Tum Tugger from the 2016 Broadway revival
This episode features Tyler Hanes who played Rum Tum Tugger during the 2016 Broadway revival. Tyler finally sets the record straight on all of the crazy Tugger rumors and shares behind the scenes stories from the cast, crotch thrusts included.
LIVE: Debating CATS at BroadwayCon 2020 with Nancy Opel, Tommy Bracco, Christopher Gurr, Christine Cornish Smith, and Michael Kushner
LIVE from BroadwayCon 2020 in New York City, hear our CATS debate with Nancy Opel, Tommy Bracco, Christopher Gurr, Christine Cornish Smith, and Michael Kushner. Each panelist pulled a random cat out of a hat and made a case why they deserved to ascend to the Heaviside Layer over Grizabella.
Ep16 - Mamie Parris, Grizabella from the 2016 Broadway revival
This episode features Mamie Parris who played Grizabella during the 2016 Broadway revival. Mamie and Mike discuss why she thinks her character was the most worthy to win and why Mike disagrees. Check out Mamie on Instagram: @MamieParrisOfficial.
Ep15 - CATS the movie, review. Seriously, listen right meow
Get your movie review here, folks! Step right up, step right up! Mike was invited to see an early screening of CATS the movie! Hear Mike and Alan (from The Theatre Podcast) breakdown the movie, discuss the crazy ending, and give a few award CATegories at the end.
Ep14 - Grizabella, the wrong cat to die!
This episode does the unthinkable. I'm doing my civic duty and telling you everything you need to know about Grizabella. Hear about all why she's the wrong cat to die as I make up vicious rumors and explain why her character is not even in the original book in Episode 10!
Ep13 - Mr. Mistoffelees, the magical one
This episode talks about the magical Mr. Mistoffelees. Hear about all of the magic Mr. Mistoffelees does on stage and about his complex relationship with Rum Tum Tugger. Plus, I dig deep int the fan fiction world reading a snippet from my favorite story in Episode 9!
Ep12 - Sara Jean Ford, Jellylorum from the 2016 Broadway revival
This episode features Sara Jean Ford who played Jellylorum during the 2016 Broadway revival. Sara and Mike discuss Sara's backstories for the cats and who she thinks is more worthy to die than Grizabella. Check out Sara on Instagram: @sweetford.
BONUS - Mike and Josh's reaction to the second CATS movie trailer
Bonus Episode: Mike is joined by Josh Lamon from Josh Swallows Broadway to watch the second Cats trailer. Hear their live reactions to the new trailer and get excited to see the movie this December. Follow along with them and watch the trailer here: https://youtu.be/gNTDoOmc1OQ.
Ep11 - Skimbleshanks, the railway cat
This episode talks about Skimbleshanks, the railway cat. Skimbleshanks keeps the train on time while bribing our judge with a mouse. Listen to hear how Skimbleshanks builds a train on stage and blinds the first few rows in Episode 8! Skimbleshank Ranking: 4 out of 9.
Ep10 - Christine Cornish Smith, Bombalurina from the 2016 Broadway revival
This episode features Christine Cornish Smith who played Bombalurina in the 2016 Broadway revival. Christine and Mike discuss the musical, fan theories, and who Christine thinks is more worthy to die than Grizabella.
Ep9 - Macavity ('s not there)
This episode talks about antagonist, Macavity. Macavity wreaks havoc and then leaves the stage leaving two kittens to sing one of the most sexually charged songs of the entire play. Listen to hear all of the terrible things Macavity is accused of doing in Episode 7!
Ep8 - Christopher Gurr, Gus/Bustopher from the 2016 Broadway revival
This episode features Christopher Gurr who played Gus and Bustopher Jones during the 2016 Broadway revival. Christopher and Mike discuss the musical, fan theories, and who Christopher thinks is more worthy to die than Grizabella.
Ep7 - Gus, the theatre cat
This episode talks about emotional theatre cat, Asparagus, aka Gus. Gus is the emotional break just after intermission that keeps you on the edge of your seat. Hear about how a legend performed as Gus in the 1998 movie in Episode 6!
Ep6 - Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer, those horrible cats
This episode talks about our klepto kitties, Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer. Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer perform an extremely intricate duet dance number that steals the show. Hear about "these horrible cats" in Episode 5!
Ep5 - Maria Failla, booth singer traveling on the national tour
This episode features Maria Failla who is currently traveling with Cats the Musical as a Booth Singer. She also was a Booth Singer during the 2016 Broadway revival. Maria and Mike discuss the musical, fan theories, and who Maria thinks is more worthy to die than Grizabella.
Ep4 - Bustopher Jones, the fat cat
This episode talks about the fat cat, Bustopher Jones. Bustopher Jones is fat, funky, and down for some naughty stuff. Hear about the this big boy and his pimp spoon in Episode 4! Bustopher Jones Ranking: 3.5 out of 9. Watch his performance here.
Ep3 - Rum Tum Tugger, the rockstar cat
This episode talks about the rockstar cat, Rum Tum Tugger. For he will do as he do do. And there's no doing anything about it. Hear about the fan favorite and his one disastrous change in Episode 3! Rum Tum Tugger Ranking: 8.5 out of 9. Watch his performance here.
Ep2 - Jennyanydots, the old gumbie cat
This episode talks about our motherly figure, Jennyanydots. If you had any doubts about this show’s weirdness, Jenny is about to blow your mind. Hear about Jenny's daily naps and nightly classroom sessions in Episode 2! Jennyanydots Ranking: 3 out of 9.
Ep1 - Old Deuteronomy: The Jellicle Patriarch and the Ultimate Decision Maker
This episode explores the Jellicle Patriarch Old Deuteronomy. We get introduced to Old Deuteronomy after the first ballet dance number by some insignificant cat. OD is probably the closest thing we get to an early plot line in the musical.
An Introduction to The Wrong Cat Died
The Wrong Cat Died is a parody theatre podcast made by a theatre outsider. After seeing Cats the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry.
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